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Neil Clague's LDC and MAX

June 25 2012 at 4:05 PM
carpecervisi  (Login carpecervisi)
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First off, let me say dealing with Neil was a pure joy. If anyone is in the market for a high quality air stripper, this is the guy.

I actually shipped my Max out to him so he could give it a once over and get a better feel for what he could do for the Speed/Max guys. He confirmed what others were saying: the bulk of the noise is mechanical. That said, he engineered an LDC that slips a few inches over the barrel and screws into the internal baffle system. This allows similar performance to a longer tube but keeps the overall length of the bullpup down and manageable.

Plus it looks completely bad ***.

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I wish I could get that scope down a bit more, but my previous medium height rings made it impossible to get a sight picture. I may play with that some more but it's an awesome package right now.

I'm going to try out some SPL apps on my phone to get some before/after decibel readings. Just firing it in my basement the abatement is very noticeable.

Cheers!


    
This message has been edited by carpecervisi on Jun 26, 2012 2:44 PM


 
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Nomadic Pirate
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YF12

Looks real nice, good balance

June 25 2012, 4:13 PM 

If you either take the cheek piece out or shape it like I did you can use low mounts and get that scope closer to the Bore

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If you do take it out make sure you screw the holding screw back in, it keeps the action in place

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carpecervisi
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about that trigger linkage

June 25 2012, 4:23 PM 

Do you think it'd be easy/worth the hassle of getting longer rod(s) and bending them around the air guage and stock screw to completely avoid both? I was also thinking of cutting the screw and fabricating an eyelet for the rod to pass through.

Yeah, probably not worth the hassle...but it's a pretty dumb design from the factory.

 
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Nomadic Pirate
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All you have to do....

June 25 2012, 4:47 PM 

is get a chainsaw file and file the threads off the screw that holds the stock,..file away untill smooth in the middle section of the screw, the trigger linckage now will be much more straigt and will rub smooth,...the trigger will improve considerably, you'll feel an incredible difference happy.gif

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carpecervisi
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Modified stock screw

June 26 2012, 3:00 PM 

Using my poor-man's lathe (cordless drill and rasp), I turned down the screw quite a bit. I think i need to increase the width of the "channel" for lack of the proper term. It feels like it's catching a little on the top (screw head) end.

Modified Stock Screw

Modified Stock Screw

Maybe even trying to put a little kink in the linkage, but I'd be SOL if something broke there.

-chad

 
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Nomadic Pirate
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Re: Modified stock screw

June 26 2012, 6:09 PM 

Screw it in without the stock and see where the linkage is in relation to your work.

leave the linkcage alone, the difference will be huge already

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BradnCAL
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That does make all the difference.. in how it looks.........

June 26 2012, 12:14 AM 

Great that Neil came through for you. Those things need a little help in the noise department. Looks much more balanced with the LDC. And love the forearm grip handle.



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from the weather. It pays no attention to criticism.


 
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anewguy
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very nice, how quiet is it now? nt

June 26 2012, 4:42 AM 


 
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carpecervisi
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I need to get an SPL from Radio Shack

June 26 2012, 2:44 PM 

I'll report back on that this afternoon. I had hoped to use my iPhone and "Decibel Meter Pro", but forgot that the iPhone mic is only good to about 110 dB. My initial "stripped" shot was 107 dB and the normal shot was 109, which was obviously wrong since the LDC was much quieter.

Stay tuned!

 
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Neil Clague
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Something you need to remember Chad.

June 26 2012, 5:33 PM 

A meter will report the loudest sound so if you have quietened the report, something you would notice, the meter will still read the highest sound which could be mechanical. I made an LDC for a Pneuma that was quieter than the action of cocking the gun, I found this out by not activating the DB meter until after the gun was cocked. You might try what I did and wrap the gun in something to help deaden the mechanical noise and try the DB reading again. We may end up trying something for the gun later as we had discussed, but for now I am too busy to bust out the sewing machine, lol. Keep up with the reports, it is the only way I can tell how my efforts are working, or not?, All the best, Neil.

 
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SP
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Yes Neil is da man!

June 26 2012, 4:29 PM 

Love the LDC he made for my .25 Speed..

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Nomadic Pirate
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Neil Makes a great product,..here's the stubby for my MAX

June 26 2012, 4:40 PM 

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DAQ Outlaw .452
Career 707 Ultra "Black Mamba" .357 "Tuned"
Career 707 Ultra .357
MAX .25
Career 707 III Carbine .25
Sumatra Carbine .25
Sumatra Carbine .22
AR6 Pistol .22
Walther Talon NP .25
Hatsan Torpedo 100 x .22 "Tuned"
Trail NP XL .22 "Tuned"
RWS 34 .22
Nitro Venom .22
Hunter Sport .177 "Tuned"
Hunter 220 .177

 
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SP
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Sweet!! nt..

June 26 2012, 7:42 PM 


 
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CheckUrSix
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I especially appreciate the way Niel does the LDC much like the "Airstream" coming

June 26 2012, 8:51 PM 

back over the barrel thus reducing the length.

 
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