well today I took my scope level off....January 6 2018 at 9:05 AM
|PAQUETE MICHAEL (Login mikerws)|
Because I have been paying way to much attention to the level rather than just shooting my airgun. I had all my airguns with bubble levels on the side of each scope which work good but also distract me from zooming in the scope . Today the level came off my cz 634 but I will leave the brocock and condor ss levels for now ....anyone else have this issue?
Honestly... never even look at my levels. So while not the same starting point...
|January 6 2018, 10:35 AM |
I can't offer a reason to leave one on.
We all have our shooting preferences...
I only use mine when...
|January 6 2018, 10:57 AM |
...taking long shots where pellet drop mixed with cant introduces significant error, or when on bewildering terrain where getting a good judgement of level is difficult.
I found that using one more frequently at first has helped me get better at holding a rifle plumb in the first place.
Impractical in air rifle application imo
|January 6 2018, 11:04 AM |
Useful air rifle range being inside 100 yds and all. Unless specifically applied to control some gross design flaw in the rifle/optic system or interface. Especially with a low power springer. Smart move on your part imo. I have shot many sub mow groups at textened ranges with centerfires w/o levels
Useful on an air rifle at 100 yards
|January 6 2018, 11:30 AM |
for the same reason it’s useful on a centerfire at 500 yards. It’s related to the amount of drop and the angle of cant, relating to the holdover point on the reticle the projectile is expected to intersect.
|January 6 2018, 11:09 AM |
It's a tool and I use it. Archery is the same, I have levels in all my scopes, I believe they help with consistency and I use them.
Scott, I'm sure they are great but when I'm pesting...
|January 6 2018, 12:46 PM |
I really shouldn't look at that bubble level and it seems I'm wasting time trying to look. I think it just human nature but at 20-90 yards it's no help. I will say it makes my scopes look more technical/tatical
|Scot Heath |
No argument from me
|January 11 2018, 10:42 AM |
It either works for you or it doesn't.
|Scot Heath |
|January 11 2018, 10:42 AM |
|This message has been edited by ish00ttrap on Jan 12, 2018 2:34 AM|
I always use levels
|January 6 2018, 3:05 PM |
I never realized how crooked I was shouldering my guns until I started using levels. Maybe I have a lopsided eye or a lopsided brain, but for some reason anytime I look through the scope of a rig properly set up the reticle appears canted significantly left. My instinct is then to twist the gun right until the sight picture looks correct which, of course, it no longer is. Using levels on my guns stop me from doing that and have significantly increased my number of hits on tiny and/or moderate to long range targets.
Chris , are you right handed and left eye dominant?....
|January 6 2018, 3:11 PM |
I am and that's how I started with these levels but as time went on I feel I keep looking at these levels way to much.
There is another way to help prevent canting without a level michael
|January 6 2018, 4:19 PM |
And it's a way without using a bubble level. If you have a properly soped rifle you can use the bottom of the vertical cross hair to intersect the middle of the breech of the stock with a simple glance, much easier than looking at a bubble mounted to the scope regardless of where it's mounted. The eye has A natural ability to center things. A perfect scope in my books would be a mid to high quality optics with a bubble level located inside and at the bottom of the ocular lenses for shooting at long distances thus eliminating Th e need of taking eye off reticle. Problem is I have never seen my dream scope, but one day, fingers crossed.
Just this morning was using this method on a .20 R9 shooting pellet tins at 132 yards with great results. I also find this method works exceptionally well when shooting from a steep side hill incline when it's easy to loose perspective of the cross hair to the terrain.
I hope I have made sense of my ramblings. Cheers
Mike, make that dream a Leupold 6.5-20 EFR, side focus with a level in the bottom
|January 6 2018, 8:02 PM |
Now that's a scope I would have to buy.
Thanks for your advice.
Do you mean a scope like this....
|January 8 2018, 10:14 PM |
Nope, righty-righty. If.....
|January 6 2018, 8:17 PM |
....I put the rifle in a rest and get back behind it and look I can see the rifle is level and so are the cross hairs. But mount the gun and roll my cheek over on the stock and those cross hairs look crooked, causing me to tilt the gun the other way in an effort to make them appear level. It wasn't until I started using levels that I was even aware of this (for me) issue. Oddly, this isn't an issue when I hunt water fowl or shoot trap or skeet (both of which I am very good at).
A level mounted behind and "under" your scope is the place to have it.
|January 7 2018, 11:31 AM |
My scope mount sucks! I see why you removed it. I'm going to change mine.
I have another gun with a level from a cheap plastic torpedo level.
Just glued the small size to the cheek piece, (Cricket) but straight under the scope.
Works so much better. Easy to reference with a slight glance down.
The large bubble and location makes it easy for old eyes to see clearly.
Got to have my level..........
I use levels when shooting about 70 yards +. A quick glance is all.
|January 9 2018, 1:45 AM |