Your INPUT on preventing SCAMMERSMay 2 2017 at 4:00 PM
Forum Owner (Premier Login q1q)
Even though the vast majority of the transactions on these classifieds go smooth, the occasional scammer manages to get through and steal people's money.
Please reply to this thread with your ideas or idea of how it could be made very difficult for a scammer to do business here.
Make your idea very clear. Those who think an idea won't work, reply to that post on how it could be defied.
Bring your best ideas forward. Let's hear it and let's shoot for zero goal.
|This message has been edited by q1q on May 2, 2017 4:00 PM|
Have a list of the members with their email and or phone numbers.alot of the scammers say they are members on here,but use their email address. For example mine is Jodie and my email is firstname.lastname@example.org. a scammer will say they are Jodie but use a different email
If we had a way of checking all of the real members information, that would help alot.
Jodie- A list like that could be pirated in a heartbeat and sold to scammers.
|May 3 2017, 10:17 AM |
Unfortunately, there is no totally effective way to protect or ensure your I.D.
Sure hope others chime in with good ideas!
One key issue is confirming who a poster REALLY is
|May 3 2017, 10:36 AM |
Similar to what the previous poster wrote, one issue is anyone can post something and say "I'm on the BOI as [name of very well-regarded member] and there isn't a good way to confirm they really are that person. One way to reduce that risk is by referencing a YF username in BOI comments, rather than a person's name. So if you see a WTS posting from me (Beeman22) and you see lots of positive feedback on the BOI for Beeman22, at least you know that the person who put up the posting is the same person who's gotten the positive feedback, and not some scammer trying to use my good name.
Re: Your INPUT on preventing SCAMMERS
|May 3 2017, 4:52 PM |
Deal face to face on Skype, or any videophone. In this case we can see who we dealing with, and the real item for sale int their hand, not just a stolen picture...
|May 3 2017, 5:51 PM |
Hi Steve I don't think we can stop scammers as long there are people out there that think someone is going to give them a large amount of money to help them out. I had a scammer tell me that They were going to give me $ 36 million and change to give to the poor people hear in the good old USA. They just wanted to hand this money out to poor people and keep a large amount for my self to live happy the rest of my life knowing that I did this and helped a lot of poor people to a better life. I am still looking for the first check I didn't have the $3500 to start all of the paper work to send me a large amount of money. It never happened!!!! My sons mother in law got mad at my son because he would not loan her a large sum of money to send out of the country to this man (out of this country to help her boy friend out. It is not known how much money she sent him over the last year. This woman is a RN with a very good collage education. In the last 3 weeks I have had 3 scammers try to buy a cheep springer with the old my helper sent too much money pleaser take what is owed you and send me the rest I know I can trust you. Well Steve I have 4 checks on the wall. I told the last two that if they would send me $25.00 cash I would send back the checks back to them. THANKS STEVE Tom Mace
Re: Your INPUT on preventing SCAMMERS
|May 3 2017, 11:10 PM |
The first scam I would like to see stopped is bilking PayPal out of their fees and thus negating the buyer protections. I'm actually surprised PayPal hasn't stepped in and done something. I'm fortunate that I did not bypass that protection on a sale that went sideways and thankfully when I returned the item not as described I was able to get a full refund even though the process was a bit more painful that I would have liked.
Friends and Family transfers are just that, and are not now nor were ever intended for purchases which is why the ship to address is not automatically delivered in the transaction notes.
As for the rest, I don't think there is a 100% way to stop a scammer. If you ask for a picture that is current with something dated and you get it, there is no guarantee that the item will ship after they get your money.
The only mostly surefire way I can think of would be for someone to set up an escrow type service. You post the item, someone agrees to make the purchase. Both the item and the funds go to the escrow party who delivers each item to the rightful party after they have received both. Even then, they (escrow service) may not know that a .22 Marauder is not a Daystate Air Ranger that was posted for sale. And, I wouldn't do that for free so there has to be a fee involved and likely extra shipping.
Good luck and I truly hope something of value comes from this. I despise the scammers who have gotten to us in our online business so I'll be watching this with high interest.
|May 4 2017, 8:20 AM |
I would like to be able to click a user name and see the email address linked to the account. I believe it's already an option through the forum host. If the email address doesn't match who they say they are I don't do business. If it was easily checked it would help save some sanity.
|May 4 2017, 9:57 PM |
could make it so we have private messages.. like most forums. then only members can contact each other. the rules in the classifieds state that we have to put our email addy in the add. all the scammers that contact me on my WTB adds email me directly and they get my email addy from my listings.
Rob in NC
The Weakest Link
|May 5 2017, 9:49 PM |
in any security schema is the end user. While admirable, it's unrealistic to think that you can protect the masses from scams. Over bearing security in any computerized system only stifles the many for the benefit of the few who do not take simple precautions to not be scammed. There is a point to which an enterprise becomes so secure it is no longer usable...
You provide a service by allowing sales here. It is up to the buyer/seller to protect themselves. I'm afraid that regardless of what we come up with, there will be attempts made and they will catch those who are not diligent in preventing it on their own. It's the world we live in.
All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
Good judgment comes from experience; experience usually comes from bad judgment.
Friends and Family Payments
|May 6 2017, 10:57 AM |
Scammers know you have no recourse with PayPal if you use friends and family to pay for something. Offer to pay the fees for them, and if they refuse, then you are probably dealing with a scammer.
|Ronnie Easton Match Director in Sacramento|
|May 9 2017, 5:15 PM |
the idea is not to eliminate but to reduce the amount of scamming. i personally agree with those that have said it's nearly impossible to keep 100 percent of the scammers out 100 percent of the time.
i also like the email showing on the user name account as mentioned above. if its already feasible to do so per network 54, then that might be a viable option.
All login to yellow MUST have email. If you are so bent out of shape........
|May 15 2017, 11:54 AM |
About your email privacy perhaps you don't deserve to be on yellow. This way you could at least verfie email.
How to not get ripped off on a Trade
|May 25 2017, 6:33 AM |
I hear a lot about trades going bad. The only way to trade is to have each party create an invoice for goods on PayPal and send it to the other person. This give you full purchase protection should someone send you an empty box. PayPal will give your money back. Have each party pay for the item...send them off..and now you have a trade that no one can scam.
An invoice is different from a money request. Good luck!