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April 27 2004 at 12:43 AM
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Statja od edin ot najdobrite universitety vo Irska...


Communities and the issue of nationality



Henry R.Wilkinson's study of the ethnographic cartography of Macedonia opens with an admission to be found in any nationalist account of the area. "Macedonia," he writes, "defies definition for a number of reasons. ... History no more sets its seal upon the boundaries of Macedonia than does physical geography. ... This region is distinctive not on account of any physical unity or common political experiences but rather on account of the complexity of the ethnic structure of its population" (1951: 2-3).

Indeed the diversity of the population of Macedonia in the nineteenth century was so well known that it inspired the French expression "Macedoine," meaning a salad of mixed fruits and vegetables.



Although most accounts of the "ethnic structure" of the population of Macedonia in this period agree that the main groups of people living there were Slavic-speaking Christians, Greek-speaking Christians, Turkish-speaking Moslems, Albanian-speaking Moslems, Vlachs, Jews, and Gypsies, they differ greatly with regard to the size of the various groups, the criteria used to define them, and the terms used to designate them. For these reasons, ethnographical maps and statistical data that attempt to assign precise locations and sizes to these different groups are a welter of confusion, hopelessly marred by inconsistencies and contradictions. As a result, while such material reveals a great deal about the ethnic and national categories employed by the people who compiled it, reveals very little about the population of Macedonia itself.

Some of the inconsistencies and contradictions in this material can be attributed to the fact that most of the early ethnographers of Macedonia were in the service of one nationalist camp or another. However, many of these inconsistencies and contradictions arose because these ethnographers imposed their national categories on people whose world was still organized in terms of linguistic, ethnic, and religious categories -people, in other words, for whom national categories held very little meaning.

Consider, for example, the following list of groups classified as "Greek" by observers with a Greek nationalist perspective: Greek Moslems, Greek Orthodox Turks and Albanians, Hellenized Vlachs, Bulgarian patriarchists, Bulgarian-speaking Greeks, and Greek Jews (Wilkinson 1951: 316-17). Clearly proponents of other nationalist perspectives could place virtually all these people into different national categories with equal justification.



The population of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled Macedonia from the fourteenth century until 1913, was organized into communities or administrative units, knows as millets, based on religion rather than on language or ethnicity. Being a Christian, a member of the Orthodox or rum millet, as opposed to being a Moslem, was the most important aspect of the identity of most of the inhabitants of Macedonia. Other important aspects of their identity were their status as members of a certain family, residents of a certain village or town, and members of certain socioeconomic class.



Nationalist ideologies associated with the Enlightenment is western Europe began to penetrate the Balkans in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. This was the beginning of the age of nationalism in the Balkans, the period that marked the fateful transition from "the ecumenical community of Balkan Orthodoxy... to a still inchoate, inarticulate and uncertain world of modern linguistic nations" (Kitromilides 1989: 151). An "imagine" community based on a shared Orthodox faith gradually broke up into several "imagined" communities based on a shared sense of national identity. Intellectuals throughout the Balkans began to articulate separate national identities based on a common language and a shared history. These nationalist ideologies spread and eventually reached even the most rural segment of the population of Macedonia.



In the early decades of the nineteenth century Greece, Serbia, and Romania emerged as independent states as a result of national revolts against Ottoman rule. These newly formed states then continued the process of nation building by cultivating a shared national identity with all means at their disposal -the military, the civil service, and the educational system.

In the Balkans one of the most important steps in the nation-building process has been the establishment of autocephalous national churches. In 1833, for example, the Church of Greece unilaterally and uncanonically proclaimed its independence from the Patriarch of Constantinople. In this way, as Kitromilides (1989:180) points out, the Church of Greece set an example for other churches in the Balkans to follow.



The establishment of an autocephalous Bulgarian church headed by an exarch in 1870 marked an intensification of the Macedonian Struggle, a three-way contest between Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece over which country would gain control of the territory of Macedonia. Now Orthodox communities in Macedonia had the choice of affiliating with either the Greek patriarch, the Bulgarian exarch, or the Serbian Orthodox Church.

By the first decade of the twentieth century all three of these nation-states had fielded irregular bands of guerrilla fighters who attacked the Turks, fought each other, and terrorized the local population.

In addition, through the construction of churches and schools and the assignment of priests and teachers these three countries conducted intense propaganda campaigns whose goal was to instill the "proper" sense of national identity in the Christian peasants of Macedonian in order to justify their claims to the territory these people inhabited.



In the attempt to incorporate the people of Macedonia into "imagined" national communities represented by the Serbian, Bulgarian, and Greek states, terms of collective identity, which were in common use and which had no connotation of national identity whatsoever, experienced a form of semantic slippage and took on new national meanings.

Thus "rum," meaning "Orthodox Christian," a term that could refer to someone who spoke Albanian, Bulgarian, Turkish, or Greek, was reinterpreted by Greek nationalists to mean "Greek" in a national sense.

The term "Bulgarian," which had earlier been used to refer to all the Slavs of the Ottoman Empire (Friedman 1975:84), or as a virtual synonym for "peasant" without any political significance at all (Wilkinson 1951:149), came to mean "Bulgarian" in a national sense.

Similarly, the term "Greek," which was used in the early nineteenth century to refer to members of the Orthodox Christian merchant class regardless of their "ethnic origin" or the language they spoke, came to mean "Greek" in a national sense (Stoianovich 1960:311).

During the Ottoman period, therefore, terms like "Bulgarian" and "Greek" were not used to designate different ethnic or national groups; they were used to designate different sociocultural categories in what Hechter (1978) has called a system of "cultural division of labour." In this system of ethnic stratification the process of upward social mobility by which a Slavic-speaking peasant or a Vlach-speaking shepherd entered the merchant class was indistinguishable from the process of Hellenization." When a farmer or a shepherd became a merchant, he was no longer a "Bulgarian" or a "Vlach"; he became a "Greek". During this time ethnicity was "the modality in which class [was] lived" (Hall et al. 1978:394).



At the turn of the century, then, most of the inhabitants of Macedonia were illiterate peasants with no clearly developed sense of national identity at all.

National identity was something that was imposed on them from the outside as a result of the three competing nationalist campaigns of Serbia, Bulgaria, and Greece.

As Wilkinson points out (1951:178), any expression of national identity that was encountered among the Macedonian peasantry "was purely superficial, and owed its existence to religious or educational propaganda, or even to terrorism.



Factors that became increasingly important in the construction of collective categories of identity were whether a family or village was affiliated with the Greek Patriarchate or the Bulgarian Exarchate and whether they were Greek-speaking or Slavic-speaking. These factors of religious affiliation and language use were given a national interpretation by proponents of both Bulgarian and Greek nationalist ideologies.

While Slavic-speaking Exarchists and Greek-speaking Patriarchists were easily claimed as "Bulgarians" and "Greeks" by their respective nationalist camps, the issue was much more complicated in the case of Slavic-speaking Patriarchists. They were claimed by both sides, by the Bulgarian on the basis of their language and by the Greek on the basis of their religious affiliation.



Many disinterested observers at the time concluded that the Slavic-speaking inhabitants of Macedonia were "Bulgarians" (R.King 1973:187) and that the term "Macedonian" was not used to identify people as belonging to a distinct "Macedonian" ethnic or national group.

Rather "Macedonian" was either used in a general regional sense to designate all the inhabitants of Macedonia regardless of their ethnicity, or it was used more specifically to refer to the Slavic-speaking Christians living in the geographic area of Macedonia. If pressed to assert some other form of collective identity, these people may well have said they were "Bulgarians" (Perry 1988:19; Lunt 1959:20).

There was also widespread agreement that the "Greek" population of Macedonia was concentrated in major urban centers throughout Macedonia as well as in rural areas in the southern portion of what is now Greek Macedonia.

In the central and northern portion of what is now Yugoslav and Bulgarian Macedonia, the Slavic-speaking population predominated, with "Serbs" more numerous in the northwest and "Bulgarians" more numerous in the east.

The part of Macedonia that lay on either side of the present northern border of Greek Macedonia and which was bitterly contested by Greece and Bulgaria was inhabited primarily by Slavic speakers.



Sir Arthur Evans, a distinguished British archaeologist and ethnologist who traveled extensively in Macedonia at the turn of the century, described the population of Macedonia as follows: "There are no Macedonians. There are Bulgars." He went on to add that the Greek claim to Macedonia "is a dream" since "except for a narrow fringe to the south and some sporadic centres of no real magnitude in the interior of the province, the Greek element had no real hold on Macedonia" (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences 1978:540-41).



The British journalist H.N.Brailsford, a perceptive observer of conditions in Macedonia shortly after the Ilinden Uprising of 1903, offers many revealing insights into just how superficial a hold national categories had on the rural population of Macedonia. His observations also show very clearly the incredible facility with which villagers in Macedonia manipulated these categories in a constant process of negotiating identities in a manner designed to serve their interests most favorably. For example , Brailsford mentions a man who sent each of his three sons to a different school, one to be educated as a "Serb," one as a "Bulgarian," and one as a "Greek." He describes a village whose population was "Slav in blood and speech," but which belonged "to the Greek [i.e. Patriarchist] party and took no share in the Bulgarian movement" (1971:160). He describes another village that had been "Greek" four years earlier, but which recently became "Bulgarian" because the Bulgarians had sent the village a teacher and a priest, while the Greeks had only sent a teacher. In this way, Brailsford observes wryly, "the legend that Alexander the Great was Greek goes out one road, and the rival myth that Alexander was Bulgarian comes in the other." Brailsford adds that he heard "a witty French consul declare that with a fund of a million francs he would undertake to make all Macedonia French" (103).



Commenting on the role of the Orthodox clergy, in these nationalist struggles, Brailsford reports that one Bulgarian bishop advised certain villages to transfer their allegiance to the Greek church in order to "distract the suspicions of the authorities." He also points out that the Greek bishop of Florina had to address his flock in Turkish since they were all "Bulgarians" even though Florina was considered a Greek town because it was loyal to the Patriarch (1971:167,197). Finally, commenting on the Greek policy of trying to prove that Macedonia is Greek by exterminating all the Bulgarians, Brailsford writes that "the worst of this practical ethnography is that it leaves so many corpses to testify to the contrary thesis" (218).

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The issue of a seperate 'macedonian' identity up the end of WWI





Before 1870 the literate Slavic-speaking inhabitants of Macedonia and Bulgaria were engaged in a common struggle against Greek cultural and linguistic domination in the Balkans. During this period the Slavs of Macedonia called their language Bulgarian.

They hoped to create a single Macedo-Bulgarian literary language based on some kind of compromise among the various dialects of Macedonia and Bulgaria (Friedman 1993).

It was not until after the establishment of the Bulgarian Exarchate and the increasing attempts by the Bulgarian intellegentsia to impose an eastern Bulgarian-based standard language of the people of Macedonia that efforts to establish a single Macedo-Bulgarian literary language were abandoned and the first signs of Macedonian linguistic separatism appeared. This is the period when dictionaries, grammars, and textbooks began to be published in what was specifically referred to as "Slavo-Macedonian" or "Macedonian language".

In 1892 the Kostur (Kastoria) parish school council adopted the proposal of a group of teachers "to eliminate both Bulgarian and Greek and introduce Macedonian as the language of instruction in the town school" (Andonovski 1985a, cited in Friedman 1993.) However, the Greek bishop and the Turkish governor of the city prevented this from taking place.



The careers of some of the important literary figures in Macedonia in the nineteenth century illustrate the degree to which the different languages and cultures of the Balkans had not yet become separated into bounded, mutually exclusive national spheres. They also poignantly reveal the dilemmas these writers faced as a result of the conflicting nationalist pressures that had begun to converge on Macedonia at this time.



Grigor Prlichev, who was born in Ohrid in western Macedonia in 1830, gained his reputation as a famous poet when his poem 'The Bandit' written in Greek, won a prize in Athens in 1860. He was described as a "second Homer."

When Greek officials offered him a scholarship to study in western Europe, however, he turned it down. He realized that even though he loved Greek literature, he was not Greek. Shortly thereafter he left Greece for Macedonia, and never wrote in Greek again.

After spending five months in Constantinople learning "the Slav language," Prlichev returned to Ohrid where he was imprisoned by the Greek bishop for opposing the use of the Greek language in the schools and churches of Macedonia. His translation of the 'Iliad' into the local Slavic language of Ohrid was dismissed by Bulgarian critics, who said he had poor knowledge of Bulgarian. Prlichev himself wrote, "In Greek I sang like a swan; now in Slavic I cannot even sing like a donkey." Even though he described himself once as "slain by the Bulgarians," toward the end of his life, when he decided to write his autobiography, he chose to write in Bulgarian.



The brothers Konstantin and Dimitar Miladinov confronted similar challenges. Dimitar was born in Struga on Lake Ohrid in 1810. He received a Greek education and taught Greek until a visiting Russian scholar encouraged him to teach his own language. As Dimitar became more interested in his native Slavic language, he developed a Bulgarian national consciousness (De Bray 1980:139),

His younger brother Konstantin, after competing his studies in Athens and Moscow, returned to Struga to work with his brother on a collection of folksongs in the local Slavic language. "I shall have these songs... published," Dimitar wrote, "so that they can always be sung, because these cursed Greeks will Craecize us and we shall no longer count for anything" (Nurigiani 1972:129).

Unable to find a publisher for his collection in Moscow, Konstantin finally obtained the sponsorship of a Croat bishop and patron of South Slavic culture in Zagreb. After Konstantin transcribed the six hundred songs he and his brother had collected in western Macedonia into the Cyrilic alphabet from the Greek alphabet in which they had originally recorded them, seventy-seven songs from eastern Bulgaria collected by a Bulgarian folklorist were added, and the total collection was finally published in Zagreb in 1861, under the title 'Bulgarian Folk Songs' (Bulgarian Academy of Sciences 1978:182).



Finally, Krste Misirkov, who had clearly developed a strong sense of his own personal national identity as a Macedonian and who outspokenly and unambiguously called for Macedonian linguistic and national separatism, acknowledged that a Macedonian national identity was a relatively recent historical development.

In 'On Macedonian Matters', published in 1903, Misirkov, referring to himself and other Slavs of Macedonia in the first person plural, admits repeatedly that "our fathers, grandfathers, and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians" and that "in the past we have even called ourselves Bulgarians" (1974:27,150).

He describes "the emergence of the Macedonians as a separate Slav people" as a "perfectly normal historical process which is quite in keeping with the process by which the Bulgarian, Croatians and Serbian peoples emerged from the South Slavic group" (153).



The political and military leaders of the Slavs of Macedonia at the turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate Macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as Bulgarians rather than Macedonians.

The political goals of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO) were the liberation of Macedonia from the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of an autonomous Macedonia, but VMRO's leadership of the revolutionary movement in Macedonia was challenged by the formation of the Supreme Macedonian Committee in Sofia, whose ultimate goal was the annexation of Macedonia by Bulgaria.



In spite of these political differences, both groups, including those who advocated an independent Macedonian state and opposed the idea of a Greater Bulgaria, never seem to have doubted "the predominantly Bulgarian character of the population of Macedonia" (MacDermott 1978:85).

Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de guerre was Ahil (Achilles), refers to "the Slavs of Macedonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention" (Perry 1988:23).

In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply, "We are Bulgarians" (MacDermott 1978:192,273).



After the failure of the Ilinden Uprising, the struggle for Macedonia continued. In the period leading up to the Balkan wars f 1912-13, Serbia became increasingly involved in what had until then been primarily a conflict between Bulgaria and Greece.

In their attempt to achieve the "ethnographic reclamation" of Macedonia (Wilkinson 1951:316-17), the Serbs first had to refute the Bulgarian claims that Macedonia belonged to Bulgaria because the Slavs of Macedonia were Bulgarians.

The Serbian position, which was effectively articulated by Jovan Cvijic, one of the most respected human geographers of the Balkans at the time, was that the Slavs of Macedonia were a transitional group located linguistically and culturally somewhere between the Bulgarians and the Serbs.

Cvijic gave this group the neutral name of "Macedo-Slavs". According to the Serbs, because the "Macedo-Slavs" did not exhibit any permanent national consciousness, they should be considered "incipient Serbs" (Wilkinson 1951:258).



In 1909 Cvijic published the first map to depict 'Macedo-Slavs" as a distinct ethnic group. His later ethnographic maps were extremely influential and were used as the basis for most postwar maps of the Balkans in both Europe and the United States. Through Cvijic's maps, then, the existence of a group of "Macedo-Slavs" became widely accepted, as did the right of the newly created Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (later Yugoslavia) to retain a large portion of Macedonian territory after World War I (Wilkinson 1951:148-203).



At the end of World War I there were very few historians or ethnographers who claimed that a separate Macedonian nation existed. It seems more likely that at this time most of the Slavs of Macedonia, especially those in rural areas, had not yet developed a firm sense of national identity at all.

In a revealing passage from 'Life in the Tomb', Stratis Myrivilis' novel about life on the Balkan front during World War I, a Slavic-speaking family from a village of Vardar Macedonia is described as wanting to be neither "Boulgar," "S'rrp," nor "Grrts" (1977:182). Significantly, there is no positive statement of what they do want to be, no assertion of any nationality that they do want to identify with.

Of those Slavs who had developed some sense of national identity the majority probably considered themselves to be Bulgarians, although as R.King (1973:217) points out, they were aware of differences between themselves and the inhabitants of Bulgaria.



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STUPPID TATAR FROM THE REPUBLIC OF SOFIAS(MIXED ORIGIN TATARS AND TURKISHBLOOD)!!!!!

May 1 2004, 3:41 AM 

SOFIAS WAS CREATED BY THE RUSIAN AND ITS PEOPLE WERE COMING FROM TATAR-RUSIA AFTER THE WAR AGAINST THE OTTOMANS!!!!!

BEFORE THAT SOFIAS CO CALLED TATARS(SOFIAS) DID NOT EXIST AS A PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

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You are the funniest "guy" on the planet!All you know is 2 learned by heard senteces you copy and paste if you think you make ppl believe you, you are in serious disillusion...

Next time lwhen you sauy I am conplexed think about this: It's not me who swears all the time to feel better, it's not me who to evidence changes the subject...even for things like your name which absurd!


 
 
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May 2 2004, 6:53 AM 




You are the funniest "guy" on the planet!All you know is 2 learned by heard senteces you copy and paste if you think you make ppl believe you, you are in serious disillusion...

Next time lwhen you sauy I am conplexed think about this: It's not me who swears all the time to feel better, it's not me who to evidence changes the subject...even for things like your name which absurd!


 
 
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May 2 2004, 10:56 AM 

YOU ARE A STUPPID SOFISKO-TATARSKO KOPILE!!!!!

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Tatarstan's calling...they want their genes back!!!

May 3 2004, 7:27 AM 

Prabugarite sa bili otlitchni voynitci i sa potchituvali mnogo smelosta. Oni sa prezirali lagata, hitruvanyeto i robstvoto od kakovto i da e vid i sa nenaviduvali onia, koi drjat robi. Vo svoyata mnogovekovna istoriya, prabugarite nikogash ne sa drjali robi. Eve sashto, oni sa bili potchituvani i barani za soyuznik od slovenite i od drugite bezzashtitnii narodi i sa imali tolkoa mnogo pobedi nad mogushtata Vizantiyska imperia, koya ne samo ye bila prinudena da go priznae sozdavanyeto vraz neynite zemi na Bugarskata drjava, toku i da zaplatuva na mnogo pati danak na neynio tcar.

Prvoto masovo zaseluvane na bugarite na Balkanskio poluostrov zapotchnuva vo regionot na Ohrid (deneshna Republika Makedonia) vo 505 godina. Od mnogu istoritchki dokumenti stava vidno, deka samo za vremeto od 480 godina do 559 godina ( t.e. samo za okolu 80 godini) bugarite sa imali nad 15 golemi pohodi vov Vizantiya, nay veke vo zapadnio del na Balkanskio poluostrov. Za voennata sila na bugarite moje da se sudi po dobro poznatata bitka kray reka Tcurta (denes Kriva reka vo okolninata na gradot Kriva palanka), vo koya bugarskata voyska unishtojila 15- ilyadna vizanitiyska armia so 520 obozni koli i vo koya sa zaginati 4000 vizantiytci. Prokopiy Kesariyski tolkuva poyavuvaneto na kometa vo 539 godina kako znamenie za ovoe masovo nahluvane i poseluvane na bugarite na Balkanskio poluostrov – od Konstantinopol do Yoniiyskio zaliv i Adriatika. Ovladeni sa so pristap (t.e. bez obsada) 32 kreposti vo Ilirik.


Ova prva bugarska migratcionna volna se razprostira od Tcrnoto more do Goren Dunav i od Karpatite do Ilirik i Benevent. Po golemi masi od luge se zaseluvat vo deneshna Yujna Bavaria, Benevent, Pentapolis, Ilirik i Yujna Panonia. Tia prabugarski preselnitci go zapazuvat i sohranuvat napolno svoyot etnitchki identitet do poyavuvaneto na vtorata golema bugarska migratcionna volna vo sredata na VII-io vek, rokuvodena od dvamata brakya Kuber (po zapadnio flang) i Asparuh (po iztotchnio flang), koya e posledstvie na pritisokot od iztok na hazarite vrhu bugarskata drjavata na nivniot bashta kan Kubrat (soshtestvuvala po ovoe vreme vo predelite na deneshna Ukrayna).

Od site istoritchki iztotchnitci e vidno, deka bugarite se poyavuvat vo ovie zemi nay malko polovin vek predi slovenite. So nivnata voenna mosht i sila, oni otvaryat shiroko patishtata za slovenite kum Ilirik, Makedonia, Mizia I Trakia. Slovenite prekosyavat rekata Dunav za prvi pat prez vtoroto desetiletie na VI-io vek. Nivnite nabezi stavat po tchesti vo vremeto na imperator Yustinian I (527-565 godina). Slovenskata migratcia nabira poveke sila vo krayot na VI-io vek (vij Monemvaziyskata hronika 587/588 godina; Evagriy i drugi) i osobeno vo natchaloto na VII –io vek (602 godina), koga veke e napolno unishtojena vizantiyskata otbranitelna sistema po rekata Dunav. Vo mnogo od slutchaite slovenite sa soprovojdali bugarskite drujini. Eve sashto slovenskata kolonizatcia e preko posledstvie od nastanuvaneto na bugarite vo ovoy region.

I taka, po veke dobro poznatite patishta na prvata migratcionna volna, kan Kuber se upatuva kum Panonia, vzema vo svoite ratce vrhovenstvoto na avarskio haganat i se zaseluva vo Sremskio region. Tamo on vladee “meshuvan” narod od bugari i od potomtci na bugari, sloveni i na pleneti i izseluvani od predni nabezi luge od Ilirik.
Vo 674/675 godina kan KUBER poveduba svoyot narod kum Makedonia. On nanesuva 6 porajenia na avarskio hagan i se ustanovyava vo Keramiyskoto pole (deneshna Makedonia)
i na dva pati obsaduva grad Solun. Vo ovoe vreme Vizantia ima seriozni problemi i vodi tejki voyni so arabite na iztok i Vizantiyskiot imperator ne saka da si sozdava ushte yeden front za voyna. Taka on dava svoeto soglasie za postoyannoto zaseluvane na lugeto na kan Kuber, koi sozdavat bugarski kaganat vo predelite na deneshna Makedonia (od Bitolskoto i Prilepskoto pole, Resen i Ohrid do Kortcha i Elbasan, koy denes e vo Albanskata drjava). Golem pridones za tiya aktivnosti ima yeden od nay doverenite prvi luge na kan Kuber na ime Mavar ( golem diplomat, koy e vladeel 6 yazika).

Zaseluvaneto na Kuberovite bugari vo Makedonia vodi do tcelostna promena – korenno e promenet etnitchkiot sostav na naselenieto, promeneti sa imenata na gradove i reki . Grtchkoto ime Lihnidas (laskav, bleskav) e zameneto so prabugarskata duma Ohrid (od “okhro” – “zlaten”). Rekata Aksios stanuva na Vardar ( od “var” – “mogusht” i od “dar” –“reka”) t.e. “MOGUSHTA REKA” . HEMUS (deneshnata STARA PLANINA) stanuva na “BALKAN”, shto na starobugarski znatchi “PLANINA” i denes dava imeto na tceliot Balkanski poluostrov.

Duri vo po kasno vreme poveke od polovinata prvi luge-bolyari na tcarot Samuil (koy e prek potomak na Asparuhoviya rod DULO), kako e dobro izvestno, imat tchisto prabugarski imena. Izvestno e isto taka, deka bugarskite tcare sa naemali kako svoy soyuznik protiv Vizantia mnogo tchesto voiska od kumanite.
Eve sashto pri yeden silen napad na tatarite vrz kumanite otvad rekata Dunav, kumanite go pomolili Bugarskiot tcar da im dade podslon vo negovite zemi i on gi nastanil vo nekolko bugarski opshtini. Tchast od niv se zaseluvat za postoyanno vo ovie zemi, poradi shto nekoi gradove i sela i do denes nosat nivnoto ime (grad Kumanovo vo deneshna Makedonia, selo Kumanite vo Trevnenskata opshtina na deneshna Bugaria i drugi ).
Vo 681 godina kan Asparuh (brat na kan Kuber) sozdava vo Mizia Bugarska drjava, koya obedinuva negovite bugari sos sedemte golemi slovenski plemena vo ovie zemi i koya postepenno se ugolemuva sled uspeshni voyni sos Vizantia. Ugolemuvaneto bilo ulesneno ne tolkova samo poradi silata na Bugarskata voyska, toku i poradi faktot, deka potomtcite na Kuberovite bugari i na drugite yednoyazitchni yuzni sloveni vo Makedonia i Trakia silno go sakali da bidat vo predelite na moderno konstituiranata drjava na svoite ednorodni brakya (a ne pod vrhovenstvoto na Vizantiyskio imperator, deka oni se tchuvstvuvali bezpravni). Poradi toa, oni vo poveketo slutchai sami se prisoedinuvali kum bugarskata voyska i drjava. Ovoy protces na obedinuvane e nay silen po vremeto na kan Persian.


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A OVA SA MAKEDONZITE DENESKA!

Tatarstan's calling...they want their genes back!!!



Who is that asian chic?Miss Kazahstan?No!Miss Turmenistan?NO!It's one of the contestants for miss Macedonia 2003...well we see where the "TATARS" have gone.



Who is that asian lad?A Chinese pop star?NO!A Japanese pop idol?NO!It's Tose Proeski (Proev, if they had not change most of the names after 1944) a Macedonian POP idol!!!


But let's see more of this ancient Macedon!






Here Tose the Big Bad Tatar!!!


Yeah, asian cars are the BEST!!!

 
 
BulGar!!!
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Politics?

May 3 2004, 7:35 AM 

Ami politi4arite?Eto gi i niv:)!


Lup4o da ancient Macedona!



Branko the Serbo-ancient macedon komunist!!!Poor Macedonia if that is going to be your leader for the next 4 years!

 
 
PURE MACEDONIAN!!!!!
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YOU ARE A TATAR-SOFISKO FROM RUSIA!!!!!

May 3 2004, 11:40 AM 

YOU HAVE BIG SOFISKO-TATARSKO COMPLEX, IT HURTS THAT YOUR ORIGIN IS FROM TATARSTAN!!!!!!

SMRT NA SOFISKITE-KOPILINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.florina.org

VASIL PURE MACEDONIAN FROM EGEI-MACEDONIA!!!!!

 
 
Kottas
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I Told you that was not me......

May 3 2004, 1:16 PM 

I cannot write in Bulgarian!!!

 
 
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