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Disciplinary inquiries can be revealed under RTI: CIC

by News Reader

PTI.
The details of disciplinary proceedings against an employee cannot be withheld from disclosure on the grounds of being personal information and should be made public under the RTI Act, the Central Information Commission has held.

The decision of the transparency panel came on the plea of an RTI applicant Deshbandhu Marwah who demanded records relating to an inquiry into the alleged misconduct by an officer A.K. Gupta of State Bank of Mysore but was denied the same.

The bank refused to disclose any information about its officer by invoking section 8(1)(h), which bars the disclosure of information which could impede the process of investigation, saying the CBI had been investigating into this matter and the Bank had also filed an application before the Debt Recovery Tribunal for recovery of its dues.

The bank also invoked section 8(1)(j) which allows withholding the personal information from disclosure.

Disciplinary proceedings are regarding the public conduct or misconduct of an employee of the Public Authority, all the records and files in this regard are public records and have to be disclosed subject of course to other exemptions of the Act, Information Commissioner Satyananda Mishra said.

The files and records relating to the disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Bank against A.K. Gupta, an officer of the Bank can never fall in the category of personal information, he said.

Source: The Hindu dated 25.12.2009



Posted on Dec 26, 2009, 5:43 PM

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women reservation

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sir 5% reservation for women in railways does it hold good for ldce group b officers exam also

Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 11:12 PM

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Sudhir Kumar's Rly turnaround book

by net surfer

Will Mr Lalu Prasad's OSD Sudhir kumar rewrite his book on railways' turnaround after the white paper? A good reading in babusofindia.com on Saturday

Posted on Dec 21, 2009, 3:22 PM

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LDCE PANEL

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Dear Sir,
Iwould like to have clarification regarding the circular issued by DoPT regarding the procedure for conducting competative examination and the circular is given below for your refernce No22011/2/79-ESTT(D)dt08 feb 1982 in which it is clearly specified that the vaccancies should be based when the results of the examination is declared.Kindly calrify that the same is applicable even now in railways also if there is any similar circular brought out by RLys with ammendment,kindly sent me the same urgently.

Nikhil N v
email-nikhilnv@yahoo.com





Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 10:12 PM

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children education allowance

by rajendra kumar

i am central govt employee and recently six central pay comission declare a facility to staff, that children education allowance for two child @ Rs. 12,000 (rs twelth thousand)per child in year. ( i.e Rs. 24,000=00 twenty four thousand, claim the employee after submission of bill ) my que. is this amount of children education allowance is taxable or not? or applicable amount?

Posted on Dec 18, 2009, 11:59 PM

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It is taxable.

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As Rs 100/- per month per child is exempt, hence net taxable amountwould be Rs 24000-2400=21600 only.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 12:00 PM

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Children education allowance

by rajendra kumar

thanking u for your guidance, but the CEA amount Exemption under which Income tax rule or section? pl.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 2:40 PM

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Section 10(14)(ii) of the Income Tax Act

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Sec 10(14)(ii) lays down the list of prescribed allowances, which are exempt. It also lays down their limit of exemption.

Rule 2BB of Income tax Rules,1962 provides a table of such allowances. See the entry 5 in that table.

Excerpt:-

Prescribed allowances for the purposes of clause (14) of section 10.
2BB. (1) For the purposes of sub-clause (i) of clause (14) of section 10, prescribed allowances, by whatever
name called, shall be the following, namely :
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5. Children Education Allowance
Whole of India [Rs. 100] per month per child up to a maximum of two children.
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Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 1:34 AM

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children education allowance

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children education allowance paid by submition of tution fees, children uniform, shoes etc. my Que. is this amount is calculate for income tax or not? can anyone help me

rajendra

Posted on Dec 18, 2009, 11:05 PM

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Rs 1200 per Child.

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.. in case you have claimed more than Rs 1200/- as CEA in an year.
"Rs. 100 per month per child up to a maximum of two child" is exempt from Income Tax.

http://www.incometaxindia.gov.in/general/computation.asp



Posted on Dec 18, 2009, 11:39 PM

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Written by a Pakistani journalist about India ( Must Read )

by Indian



Whats the world thinks about us...INDIANS !!!



Written by a Pakistani journalist about India [MUST READ]



Here's what is happening in India:

The two Ambani brothers can buy 100 percent of every company listed on the Karachi Stock Exchange (KSE) and would still be left with $30 billion to spare. The four richest Indians can buy up all goods and services produced over a year by 169 million Pakistanis and still be left with $60 billion to spare. The four richest Indians are now richer than the forty richest Chinese.

In November, Bombay Stock Exchange's benchmark Sensex flirted with 20,000 points. As a consequence, Mukesh Ambani's Reliance Industries became a $100 billion company (the entire KSE is capitalized at $65 billion). Mukesh owns 48 percent of Reliance.

In November, comes Neeta's birthday. Neeta turned forty-four three weeks ago. Look what she got from her husband as her birthday present:
A sixty-million dollar jet with a custom fitted master bedroom, bathroom with mood lighting, a sky bar, entertainment cabins, satellite television, wireless communication and a separate cabin with game consoles. Neeta is Mukesh Ambani's wife, and Mukesh is not India's richest but the second richest.

Mukesh is now building his new home, Residence Antillia (after a mythical, phantom island somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean). At a cost of $1 billion this would be the most expensive home on the face of the planet.. At 173 meters tall Mukesh's new family residence, for a family of six, will be the equivalent of a 60-storeyed building. The first six floors are reserved for parking. The seventh floor is for car servicing and maintenance. The eighth floor houses a mini-theatre. Then there's a health club, a gym and a swimming pool. Two floors are reserved for Ambani family's guests. Four floors above the guest floors are family floors all with a superb view of the Arabian Sea.
On top of everything are three helipads. A staff of 600 is expected to care for the family and their family home.

In 2004, India became the 3rd most attractive foreign direct investment destination. Pakistan wasn't even in the top 25 countries.
In 2004, the United Nations, the representative body of 192 sovereign member states, had requested the Election Commission of India to assist the UN in the holding elections in Al Jumhuriyah al Iraqiyah and Dowlat-e Eslami-ye Afghanestan. Why the Election Commission of India and not the Election Commission of Pakistan? After all, Islamabad is closer to Kabul than is Delhi.

Imagine, 12 percent of all American scientists are of Indian origin; 38 percent of doctors in America are Indian; 36 percent of NASA scientists are Indians; 34 percent of Microsoft employees are Indians; and 28 percent of IBM employees are Indians.

For the record: Sabeer Bhatia created and founded Hotmail. Sun Microsystems was founded by Vinod Khosla. The Intel Pentium processor, that runs 90 percent of all computers, was fathered by Vinod Dham. Rajiv Gupta co-invented Hewlett Packard's E-speak project. Four out often Silicon Valley start-ups are run by Indians. Bollywood produces 800 movies per year and six Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 10 years.

For the record: Azim Premji, the richest Muslim entrepreneur on the face of the planet, was born in Bombay and now lives in Bangalore.India now has more than three dozen billionaires; Pakistan has none (not a single dollar billionaire) .

The other amazing aspect is the rapid pace at which India is creating wealth. In 2002, Dhirubhai Ambani, Mukesh and Anil Ambani's father, left his two sons a fortune worth $2.8 billion. In 2007, their combined wealth stood at $94 billion. On 29 October 2007, as a result of the stock market rally and the appreciation of the Indian rupee, Mukesh became the richest person in the world, with net worth climbing to US$63.2 billion (Bill Gates, the richest American, stands at around $56 billion).

Indians and Pakistanis have the same Y-chromosome haplogroup. We have the same genetic sequence and the same genetic marker (namely: M124).
We have the same DNA molecule, the same DNA sequence. Our culture, our traditions and our cuisine are all the same. We watch the same movies and sing the same songs. What is it that Indians have and we don't?

INDIANS ELECT THEIR LEADERS

And also to mention: They think of Construction of own nation, unlike nations who r just concerned with destruction of others...








Posted on Dec 18, 2009, 10:54 PM

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Re: Written by a Pakistani journalist about India ( Must Read )

by Curious Researcher

Very well written; but please mention the source as well.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 11:00 AM

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What do you mean by Rich Country?

by A Poor Indian

If Anil Ambani gifts a 60 million state of Art plane to his wife ,does that mean India is Rich? Remember about 700 million people are below poverty line in India, about 350 million don't get 2 meals in a day in India. There is no safe drinking water for millions, no hospital no school for kids,A girl child walks miles to collect firewood and water in rural India no..., no...India definitely has progressed.At the cost of taxpayer's money IITs and IIMs have been opened and students after reading here join Microsoft, NASA 3E in USA and improve their Economy. Doctors make queue for USA and UK after getting cheap education again at taxpayer's cost. Some Indians have become rich mostly by manipulations like Ambanis, but India definitely has not become rich! As per one UNDP report the rich-poor divide is less in Pakistan,Afghanistan and even in Iraq and Iran than in India!!!

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 12:46 PM

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Untitled

by mathi

http://persmin.gov.in/writedata/CircularNotification/ScanDocument/AB_14017_61_2008-Estt.%28RR%29-Pt..pdf

Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 9:02 PM

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SAG in 17 years?

by SAG

http://irts.org.in/DiscussionForum/ShowMessage.asp?ID=1033

IRPS officers may please comment on above news , if (we all hope) it is a true post.

Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 3:27 PM

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HAG in 25 years for IRPS

by A friend of Mr Mathur

Mr Mathur is a 1980 batch officer,joined 1st September 1981,going to get his DRM -ship after waiting for 3 long years.6th. PC recommendation of getting HAG in 25 years is a long distant dream for IRPS officers as they have completed 28 years of service and we have only 2 HAG posts which are going to be vacated in 2012 0nly. Till then have Lollypup and be satisfied!Remember no cadre review was done for this cadre also last time.

Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 5:24 PM

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Eligibility vs Vacancies & No. of Posts

by IRPS

Our own CPOs have not shown keen interest to ensure creation of SAG workcharge posts of CPO(Construction) in various zonal railways despite Board's advice for nearly two years. This does not need any cadre review. It would have cleared two IRPS batches for SAG and given SG/JAG promotions down the line. Who should take the blame? Seems we cannot blame only outside forces always.

Posted on Dec 17, 2009, 8:43 AM

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Who is CPO

by CPO

World looks very simple through a prism. Reality is harsh. The fund for all sanctioned works are controlled by Civil Engineers and while distributing the lion share goes to Accounts. A post will be created provided some one agrees to provide you fund. A poor CPO cannot do much when Civil Engineers, Finance and GM do not support it.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 8:53 PM

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right, sir

by correct response

CPO sir is right. This comment reflects the internal pain of many IR officials.

In IR , only IRTS,IRSE,IRSS and IRAS enjoy.

Remaining services serve the nation without any benefit.

Jai Hind!

Posted on Dec 23, 2009, 1:03 PM

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"THANK YOU"

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Thanks a lot for your good wishes for my posting as DRM.

Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 10:31 AM

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Good Luck

by sushant jha

Good Luck, Sir. Keep the IRPS flag flying.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 6:23 PM

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Bravo

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Dear Anand,

Bravo! Have a productive time as DRM,GUNTUR and enjoy the house made by Akhtar!

BRAHMO

Posted on Dec 25, 2009, 8:51 AM

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Another feather in IRPS cap

by Dr H Srinivas, DyCPO/Gaz/SCR

Mathur Sir has made the Service and everyone of us proud. We wish you all the best in your new assignment Sir.

With Regards

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 5:15 PM

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Re: Another feather in IRPS cap

by j p pandey, dpo/mb

My heartfelt wishes to Mathur sir for new assignement.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 5:51 PM

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an incident worh for provoking thoughts

by a well wisher

Having read many congratulatory messages to Mr Mathur from the community of "peaceful service" I thought it fit to tell them a story. When Dr Radhakrishanan became President, similar kind of congratulatory messages were being showered in a meeting of teachers held in Jabalpur University. Acharya Rajneesh who was also a faculty member at that point of time got up from his seat and said.." I fail to understand how teachers become the great when one of thier collegue becomes the President...TEACHERS WILL BECOME THE GREAT WHEN ONE PRESIDENT ABONDONS HIS PRESIDENTSHIP AND BECOMES A TEACHER"

IS IT A FORUM FOR THOUGHTS OR A FORUM FOR FLATTERERS

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 9:17 PM

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The way you look...

by Thinker...

The logic is simple ..like half full or half empty glass . So, out side things will happen on their own way.By comenting at them we expose ourself.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 10:39 PM

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Worn out feather....

by A"featherless bird"

About 26 months back a feather was added to IRPS cap. Although 2 feathers were earmarked then, Rly Board in their wisdom or lack of it decided to put only one feather.IRPS fraternity were thus satisfied. Now that old feather was worn out ,disfigured and dis-coloured. So one more feather added.Hope it will shine, radiate and glow.We wish taking by the size of the cadre at least 2 feathers were supposed to be added to the cap of IRPS.Tinsukia and Bhavnagar divisions were earmarked for Personnel feathers long time back when Shri AS Gupta was AM.But in the process,time lag and due to dis-use the feather was lost and fallen and never retrieved.We hope the fraternity will fight for that lost feather and put it in its proper place.

Posted on Dec 16, 2009, 6:21 PM

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Congratulations

by Dr H Srinivas, DyCPO/Gaz/SCR

Hearty Congratulations on your elevation to the post of DRM. A very warm welcome to the South Central Railway.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 4:49 PM

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clarification required regarding sanction of ccl

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good morning sirs,

me and my wife work as ecrc gr 1 in prs/reservation office bangalore city of south western railways,

my wife had applied for ccl for two years in march 2009 but subsequently fell sick in june, was on sick leave and later absent from mid june on confirming from dcm/o/sbc that her leave has been approved. likewise the then sr.dcm/swr/sbc has sanctioned her two years leave and had put up the file to dpo/o/sbc for orders. On receiving the file the dealing clerk of dpo/o/sbc had started drawing her salary from august onwards while the office memorandum had to be prepared. Meanwhile our prs/office has been marking her absent for want of office orders. After repeatedly informing the office of the dpo/sbc to prepare the orders which took almost five months when memorandum was put up to apo/t/bills for signature, apo/t/sbc objected to signing the memo saying that sr.dcm/sbc has powers to sanction only upto 180 days and the file now has to put up to ccm/swr/ubl for approval. I am totally disgusted and irritated that the file has been kept pending for so long and the staff at dpo/sbc are not able to guide me to what exactly has to be done to clear the file of all hurdles.

As far as I am concerned as sr.dcm/o/sbc has sanctioned two years ccl and the fact that my wife has been drawing her salary for the past four months in view of dpo/sbc office concurrence despite her absence and memo not being ready is suffice for me to appeal to higher authority or RTI if required.
My clarification is that I am given to understand through leave rules in IREC VOL I (501 TO 557) that powers can be delegated to junior officers by HOD AND DRM of division to grant leave.

Kindly let me know why sanction by seniordcm/sbc is not sufficient or if so then whom should the file be put up to, drm/sbc or ccm/ubl for expedite action, please.
Also if there is a master circular for child care leave which covers extensively the application and sanction and authority to grant leave please.

thank you so much

with best regards,
Mark Antony Samuel
ecrc gr I prs/ro/sbc/swr/ir

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 10:37 AM

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clarification required regarding sanction of

by Does not matter

APO/T/SBC has correctly affirmed that Sr.DCM cannot sanction leave beyond 180 days. Though powers can be delegated, what matters is whether delegation has been done.

When you are posting on a public forum, it is not correct to accuse someone, though you have not by name, as that person may or may not see this to respond to you.

You can ask APO/Welfare Inspector to help you get your problem sorted out.

All the best.

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 6:51 PM

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Letus rejoice & pray

by Destiny Child of the fraternity

Let us all join hand to celebrate with Mr Mathur and Family. An Elevation worth weight, only Mr Mathur can narrate what mental agony he has undergone in past few weeks.
This is also time to retrospect to find out why Railway Board is putting IRPS at wrong footing. A cadre of 700 being given a lollypop i.e. one post of DRM. Is it out of merit or Charity. 68 DRM Positions and only one from IRPS. Are we 1/13th of IRTS and IRSME and IRSE in cadre strength and deserve only one slot as per proportionate representation. Are we not out of Civil Service. Are we not UPSC selceted. Are not all Organised Services deserve similar treatment.
All of us need to sharre our concern and raise the issue at appropirate forums through IRPS Association.

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 1:26 PM

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irps

by senior retired

it is good at least the youngsters are realising now. thirty years ago i had been advocating unity and i was laughed at!

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 9:37 PM

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All posts

by Johny

As an experiment, all the posts of DRM must be reserved for IRPS , IRSS, IRAS , IRMS and RPF only.

IR should see the difference it makes in the day today working of railways.

This should be implemented for ten years.

Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 9:34 AM

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Re: All posts

by Gang man

Nothing...will happen as the trains are not running because of 5% officers, it is because of 95% hard working Railway men !!!!!!!!

Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 7:50 PM

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All posts

by Does not matter

Well said Gangman. In fact, Services are likely to improve without unnecessary interference and people working having to waste their time with these officers.

Posted on Dec 13, 2009, 10:05 PM

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irps association? huh!

by cynical

didnt u see how actively they responded when the rrb cleansing was carried out

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 10:56 AM

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Let Uou all Stand to the Ocassion

by A Well Wisher out of IRPS

Dear Freinds I really feel sorry for you guys as irrespective of your being most deserving for the administrative jobs you are being religated to nothing. One DRM in 2 years means all effoorts to finish the service.
Please dont be a silent spectator, dont have hope from Board. They wont do any thing. Rememeber what GandhiJi, AmbedkarJi did after facing lot of sufferance.You have a future provided you are united and you have a Gandhi or Ambedkar with you. I wish wisdom to Board and luck to you guys

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 9:51 AM

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2nd DRM from the Cadre, Congratulation!

by M Akhtar

Mr Anand Mathur,former ED/RRB has been posted as DRM/Guntur.Congratulation Shri Mathur.We are eagerly waiting to welcome you with your crown (Of thorn?)!

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 11:04 AM

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congrats sir

by Goraksha Jagtap Srdpo/Sur/CR

sir, congratulations for the posting as DRM and All The Best !!!!!!!

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 11:23 AM

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Re: 2nd DRM from the Cadre, Congratulation!

by Sakeer Sr DPO/BSP

Congratulations sir,

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 11:41 AM

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Congrats Sir.

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Congrats Sir and welcome to SCR.

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 4:04 PM

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Re: 2nd DRM from the Cadre, Congratulation!

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congratulations sir!! and good luck for this tenure!!
regards,

Posted on Dec 12, 2009, 7:06 PM

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congratulations

by karuppannaswamy. WPO/SR

My heartfelt wishes for your new assignement sir.Wish you to fix new bench marks by your achievement.

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 10:53 AM

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Congratulations

by Sunita Singh

Heartiest Congratulations Sir. Wish you all the best in your new assignment.

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 6:41 PM

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Conratulations

by Sunil Sinha

Heartiest Congratulations Sir.

Posted on Dec 19, 2009, 12:27 PM

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Congrats

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Congratulations sir.
Regards

Posted on Dec 20, 2009, 5:00 PM

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World's fastest Train

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Less than 3 Hours for 1000 Kms.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8406910.stm?ls

Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 7:19 PM

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Penalty of with holding of incriments imposed prior to introduction of the VI th P.C

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The penalty of withholding of increment was imposed after 1.1.2006, that on implementing the corresponding post-2006 scale, the quantum of financial loss sustained by employee whose increment had been withheld in the pre-2006 scale and the greater monetary loss that would result on re fixation in the VIth CPC. Can he apply for such financial loss to Appellate authority for consideration.This point may please be clarified.


Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:12 PM

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State of Civil Services Survey

by Manish Mohan

Please fill up the survey that has been forwarded to you by Centre for good governance

Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 3:03 PM

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ANAMOLY IN MACP

by NARAYANAN

EXAMPLE:

Two persons are appointed in Senior clerk grade A & B on 1999
A being the senior

A gets promotion 2008 as head clerk and request for transfer to another railway/Division on bottom seniority as sr. clerk and transferred in 2008 his pay is protected whereas grade pay is not protected he is given G.Pay Rs.2800 in the new organisation.

B senior clerk and junior also requests for transfer to where A is transferred on bottom seniority in 2008 he gets transferred as Sr.clerk.

Now B gets MACP of grade pay Rs.4200 from 2009 where as A has to wait either 10 more years (or 20 years this is rather confusing) to get next MACP. Is not this injustice?.

In the above cases Senior is deprived of MACP for the next 10 years.
For such transfer cases past service shall be counted duly ignoring the promotion and MACP should be granted from the present grade pay to rectify anamoly of MACP.
Would Railway Board take up this issue?.



Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 1:00 PM

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fully in agreement

by dealer

Another issue which personnel is finding different views is whether third promotion under MACP is to be given only after completion of thirty years or it can be given even before that.EX a jr clerk appointed in 86 gets ist promotion in 91 and then as head clerk in 99.and still working as headclerk Whether he can get promotion under MACP wef 2009 or he will get only in 2016

Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 2:56 PM

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ELIGIBLE

by NARAYANAN

IN TERMS OF RBE No.101/2009 Dtd. 10.06.2009. para No.28 Illustration:- B
If two promotions are earned before completion of 20 years. Only 3rd finanical upgradation would be admissible on completion of 10 years of service in Grade pay from the date of 2nd promotion or at the 30th year of service, whichever is earlier.

Hence he is eligible for MACP of grade pay Rs. 4600 in 2009 (i.e.,on completion of 10 years in the grade pay)

Posted on Dec 14, 2009, 10:24 AM

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ANAMOLY IN MACP

by NARAYANAN

EXAMPLE:

Two persons are appointed in Senior clerk grade A & B on 1999
A being the senior

A gets promotion 2008 as head clerk and request for transfer to another railway/Division on bottom seniority as sr. clerk and transferred in 2008 his pay is protected whereas grade pay is not protected he is given G.Pay Rs.2800 in the new organisation.

B senior clerk and junior also requests for transfer to where A is transferred on bottom seniority in 2008 he gets transferred as Sr.clerk.

Now B gets MACP of grade pay Rs.4200 from 2009 where as A has to wait either 10 more years (or 20 years this is rather confusing) to get next MACP. Is not this injustice?.

In the above cases Senior is deprived of MACP for the next 10 years.
For such transfer cases past service shall be counted duly ignoring the promotion and MACP should be granted from the present grade pay to rectify anamoly of MACP.




Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 12:58 PM

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Agreed list

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It is noted that the agreed list is meant only for the purpose of intensive vigilance and carrying out preventive checks. Once an officer is placed in an agreed list, the consequences include his transfer from sensitive posts, and debarment from sensitive work like participation in tender committees and selection committees, arbitration etc. Unfortunately, it is felt that there is a disconnect between the purpose for which the list is made and consequences it causes. In fact, the variance is of such magnitude that it appears that the consequences are almost unintended and irrational to the purpose and aim.

The aim with which such lists are prepared is indeed laudable, and it is nobodys case that intensive vigilance should not be carried out, especially on those public servants, on whose integrity there is even an iota of doubt. However, one needs to dispassionately evaluate the necessity & desirability as well as the effectiveness of the measures that are presently recommended to be taken by the administration for the persons who are borne on such agreed lists.

Firstly, the disturbing fact is that the person who is placed on the agreed list is not informed about it. This is also in apparent contradiction with the process of evaluating the integrity of a person while writing the Annual confidential report of an officer. If any doubt regarding the integrity of an officer is to be endorsed in his ACR, then not only an elaborate procedure is to be followed, but it is also mandatory to inform such officer regarding the doubts expressed about his integrity. After all, every person is expected to have some self respect, born out of integrity and devotion to duty which he is expected and believed to possess axiomatically, and which he is not called upon to prove at the drop of a hat. Since, such self respect of an individual may be severely compromised if doubts are expressed about his integrity, we must be not only be very sure that there are valid and reasonable grounds of doing so, but we must also be very sensitive about it. It is noted with concern that not communicating to the officer that he has been placed on the agreed list, tantamount to making comments behind the back, and is almost slanderous if not gossipy, which the administration need not be a part of. Since, the administration deems it fit to inform the concerned officer if doubts are expressed regarding his integrity in his ACR, there can be no plausible reason not to do the same if he is placed on the agreed list. It is not considered logical and rational for the administration to follow two different courses of action when the cause of such action is the same that there is some doubt over the integrity of a person. Neither the purpose of making an agreed list will be defeated nor do I anticipate any other adverse consequence if the officer who is placed in the agreed list is informed about it. In this era of RTI Act, the time for such idea of open communication has arrived and needs to be implemented without any further delay.

In my 25 years of service in different government department, I have noticed that when a person is placed on an agreed list, it becomes an open secret. Such an open secret is only confirmed by administrations actions like transferring him or stripping him of all sensitive works like decision making, tenders, selections etc. This official ostracisation slowly but surely leads to isolation and hushed ridicule even in social interactions of the officer. Such social stigma leads to demoralization and a feeling of victimization. Frustration and depression are compounded by the fact that unlike in D&AR cases where he has a chance to defend himself, there are no avenues for redressal open to him. It is believed that the administration by transferring an officer or denying him certain types of work is de-facto punishing an officer, although I know, de-jure he has not been punished. Hence, such de-facto punishment without providing him an opportunity to be heard violates the principles of Natural Justice.

One understands that the purpose of preparing an agreed list is to keep under observation, officers whose integrity and honesty is under cloud. In this context, It is noted that the Honble Supreme court of India, in the case of K.V.JANKIRAMAN Vs UOI has ruled that a persons integrity and honesty may be considered under cloud only after charge sheet has been served to him in a vigilance case. Such a definition of integrity and honesty being under cloud is both objective and binding. We are at not at a liberty to either make a subjective assessment of an officers integrity and honesty or extrapolate a situation that demand administrative action of transfer or denial of sensitive work.

Since we are all humans, one cannot rule out that in some cases it may so happen that an officer is placed on agreed list due to personal bias against him. The senior officers from their experience would certainly agree that such a situation is not impossible. Since there is at least a theoretical possibility of a situation that an officer is placed in agreed list due to personal bias, it is all the more important that such matters are invariably communicated to the concerned officers in all the cases and he is neither transferred nor debarred from any type of work so that he is denied an opportunity to feel victimized or punished.

In any case nothing stops the vigilance organisation to conduct intensive and & preventive checks even if an officer who is placed in agreed list continues in sensitive posts and continues doing sensitive work. In fact, if a person is in a non-sensitive position or does no sensitive work, it would be very difficult to come to a conclusive decision regarding his honesty and to judge his integrity.

In fact if an officer is debarred from doing sensitive work based on unsubstantiated allegations regarding the doubtfulness of his honesty and integrity, apart from his individual sense of victimization that such officer may feel, the administration also fails to utilize the person fully and is forced to carry a lame duck person without actually penalizing him. This is a lose - lose situation for both. The administration may also be accused of adopting a soft option and shirking its responsibility of calling a spade a spade and not formally charging an officer despite having fair knowledge about the lack of honesty and integrity of an officer. Further, since most of the sensitive decisions like tenders, selections etc are made by a group rather than by an individual, the final decision arrived at need not be considered as tainted or doubtful, merely because the presence of one individual whose intention may be perceived as unscrupulous.

One fully subscribes to the view that Public servants in their conduct should be like Ceasers wife beyond suspicion, but being a conscientious person, what worries me is the lack of avenues of redressal for the person who is placed on such a list. Whereas, probity in public life is of utmost importance, it is felt that the tenants of Natural justice can also not be compromised. A fine balance needs to be maintained between both and neither can be sacrificed in order to achieve the other. Our proud tradition of ensuring the principles of natural justice whereby one may allow a hundred guilty to go scot-free rather that punish one innocent person, needs to be placed in a higher pedestal.
Thus, it is not logical or necessary to transfer a officer from sensitive post or debar an officer from sensitive work even if he is placed on the agreed list.

(NB: The intention behind above write-up is to generate a healthy debate, highlight distortions in the present system and improve the administrative mechanism. Comments are welcome.)
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no comments on this forum

by no comments

Hoping for comments on this forum is a hope which is not going to be fulfilled.

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Re: no comments on this forum

by Raja Babu

I'm fully in agreement with Srivastava ji. The whole exercise of this business of "AGREED LIST" is full of flaws, subjectiveity and has in-built biases. There are people, who themselves neeed to be put in this AGREED LIST are recommending the inclusion of names of others in these AGREED LISTS. We all are aware of such cases. AGREED LIST should be made only after giving an opportunity of hearing to the concerned official.

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Agreed List

by K.P.Viswanathan

Agreed to. Drawing of Agreed List should satisfy laid down parameters and not based on heresay.Investigating Agencies will become reduntant once all documents cease to be confidential and are put in the public domain. Fear of public opprobrium will itself inculcate integrity.

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contacts

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Our contact list on the site is incomplete. May i request friends from these units to help update the list (esp :dy.cpo/g/s)_

CR(PART OF HQ & DIVN.),NER,SWR,RRBs,CLW,ICF,RWF,RE,RSC,METRO,PSUs.

contact no. of cpo/mrvc is 9821872108 & of dy.cpo/mrvc is 9773158400.
THANKS. Albela

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Inter-Zonal Transfer of Officers

by Raja Babu

On joining Railway Service, every Group-A Officer is alloted a Zone, which we can call a 'LIEN'. There is apparently some laid down methodology for Zonal Allotment at the time of allotment. However, it is highly unlikely that for Inter-Zonal Transfer of officers, we have any Rule / laid down policy. Why can we not make Zonal Allotment at the time of allotment as sacrosanct as Cadre allotment of IAS / IPS / IFtS ? To me, this will make the Railway officers to work in a more fearlesss, transparent, objective & result-oriented manner. Postings of Board and other ex-Cadre Posts can be treated as deputation. IRPS, being the nodal Service for establishment issues, is requested to address this issue. We should have some rule / policy and religiously follow it and come out of the present system of "Show me the face, I'll show you the rule". Then only Railway Officers will become the Steel Frame of Railway Bureaucracy in a real sense like the IAS, IPS etc.
Are any supporters?????
**A Railway Officer.

Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 10:19 PM

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Not desirable

by IRPS officer

1.State administration not at all comparable with zonal administration.
2.The facilities and cader support in all India services not at all visible in IRPS.
3.IRPS not a executive service ,it is only supportive service

so dont compare with all India services

Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 11:20 PM

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Another excuse?

by Excuse me

Another excuse for avoiding any responsibility for IRPS? Then , why IR needs such a service?

Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 9:17 AM

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Not to jump in to band wagan...

by Pub.ad scholar

That is true ...if you think about present responsibilities and powers exercised by IRPS officers....such qualified officers not required..it is truly wastage of valuble resources.So there are two options one is to give proper job description and rightful place .Second, redeploy to central/state administation far with IAS , as IRPS is the only generalist service after IAS in entire civil services.

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IPS- a pipe dream or reality?

by Mohan

Why can't we have a functionally specialised service of Personnel officers as an exclusive central service,say along the lines of IFS(Forest) and IES,ISS etc?

Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 1:33 PM

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Re: IPS- a pipe dream or reality?

by guest

IRPS officers with their unique expertise are ideally suited for lateral entry to cabinet secretariat and PMO including planning commision.
we must lobby in this direction.


Posted on Dec 11, 2009, 4:38 PM

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Why not?

by serious

Another "Serious" Comment? Those who cannot deliver in IR are seeking oppurtunities in PMO.

Keep it up

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Re: Why not?

by Thinker...

How you will deliver without wagons?????

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Re: Why not?

by think

should not we try multilateral fora?
let's start with copenhegan summit currently in progress.

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 11:41 AM

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On being stupid and learning to live through it

by Bard

Twenty heads rolled and bit the dust,
not a cry nor a whimper of protest
Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold,
mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
The blood-dimmed tide is let loose,and everywhere
the ceremony of innocence is drowned
Inwards plod the 'holy cows',
cluless on the "tower of babel"
English to the right of them, Hindi to the left
Urdu in front of them, multilingos all around
The cowherd hollers, halt, proceed, halt, proceed
here we are, candidates on a darkling plain
where ignorant armies clash at night
even as Tughlaq sits in a quiet corner,chuckling
save the blushes, for Ive met my match...
Courtesy( WB Yeats, Mathew Arnold, Tennyson and a host of others)

Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:31 PM

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Good Work

by EDPG/MR

Such good english deserves a stint at RSC!!-please disclose your ame so that that may be arranged

Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 1:30 PM

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Beware dear friend

by oh no

for you have been spotted by none other than EDPG(MR)!

Posted on Dec 10, 2009, 5:38 PM

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what an attitude! mr saddam hussein...

by PS TO PM


five months of edpg/mr and such boisterous claims? i hope ur aware that your great predecessor in the last ministry is running for cover. little bit of "media" and one of the minister of TMC was running with his baggage out of a hotel.

does your minister know that you are making such tall claims on website? my father has taught me and i want to share with u " no dictator has ever survived long enough to see the end of human beings on this earth." ur holding a position of responsibility ....and do not use ur position to throw attitude. learn to be humble.

ps to PM

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Amio dekhechi!!

by MR

Tumar kotha amio dekhlam.Tomar problem ke solve korte je EDPG bleche se korte hobe!

Posted on Dec 15, 2009, 1:32 PM

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Ten years rule?

by zero year

Members may please comment on existence of any rule limiting maximum posting of an individual officer in a city for ten years?

is it a rule or a guideline? If such a rule exists, how the respectable officers manage to violate this rule of ten years?



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Re: Ten years rule?

by George Orwell reborn or kickin in his grave!

All officers are equal, but some are more equal than the others, pal

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Any proposal of third party evaluation of civil servants?

by Net Surfer

Is there a proposal for a third party evaluation for Indian civil servants? The question will come up in Lok Sabha on Dec, 9. I have read the exact question in babusofindia.com

Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 3:45 PM

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IT Raids

by Interested???

Anyone knows about the reported IT Raids on IRPS Bigwigs???!!

Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 1:25 PM

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IRPS ki kismat kharab chal rahi hai

by anon

Kuch havan karvao-IRPS Assoc are u listening?

Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 2:03 PM

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good news

by good

at least such rumors can make people choose IRPS as there career as IT raids speaks a lot about "prospects" in the service

Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 9:54 AM

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Re: good news

by Slightly better

Dear Mr. Good
Kinkly take some good English lessons before writing such rubbish on this forum. Try to distinguish between meaning and usage of basic English words like 'there' and 'their'.
Thanks!

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Re: good news

by the best

kinkly? what is that?

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i think he means "kinky"

by anon



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DNA of the Tatas

by

Don't miss reading this....Will give one an insight into how an
organisation can care for its employees, customers & more........

October 10, 2009

Meeting with H N Srinivas - Senior Executive Vice President, Taj Group of
Hotels


Last evening, I had a dinner meeting with HNS in Goa (I was there for a
National Institute of Personnel Management conference - as a speaker).

He narrated the 26th November 2008 terror attack on Taj Mumbai and there
were some important points.

A. Terrorist entry



1. They entered from the Leopold Colaba hotel entrance and
also from the northern entrance - spraying indiscriminate bullets on the Taj
security personnel and guests in general.

2. Though Taj had a reasonable security - they were surely
not equipped to deal with terrorists who were spraying 6 bullets per
trigger.

3. The strategy of the terrorists was to throw chunks of RDX
in an open area that will explode and burn - creating chaos so that the
guests and staff run helter skelter so that the terrorists could kill them.
The idea was to create maximum casualties.

4. There were several critical gatherings and functions
happening in the hotel on that day - a Bohra wedding, global meet of
Unilever CEOs and Board members and 2 other corporate meetings were being
held in the hotel - besides the usual crowd.

5. The firing and chaos began at about 8.30 p.m. And the
staff including employees on casual and contract basis displayed exemplary
presence of mind, courage and sacrifice to protect the guests who were in
various halls and conference rooms.



B. Stories of Staff Heroics



1. A young lady guest relation executive with the HLL
gathering stopped any of the members going out and volunteered 3 times to go
out and get stuff such as ice cubes for whiskey of the guests when the
situation outside the hall was very explosives and she could have been
easily the target of the bullets

2. Thomas George a captain escorted 54 guests from a backdoor
staircase and when he was going down last he was shot by the terrorists

3. There were 500 emails from various guests narrating
heroics of the staff and thanking them for saving their lives

4. In a subsequent function, Ratan Tata broke down in full
public view and sobbed saying - "the company belongs to these people". The
wife of Thomas George who laid his life saving others said, she and the kids
were proud of the man and that she did not know that for 25 years she lived
with a man who was so courageous and brave

5. The episode happened on 26th November, a significant part
of the hotel was burnt down and destroyed - the hotel was re-opened on 21st
December and all the employees of the hotel were paraded in front of the
guests

6. It was clearly a saga of extra-ordinary heroics by
ordinary people for their organisation and in a way for their country. The
sense of duty and service was unprecedented

7. The young lady who protected and looked after the HLL
guests was a management trainee and we often speak of juniority and
seniority in the organisation. She had no instructions from any supervisor
to do what she did

A. She took just 3 minutes to rescue the entire team through the
kitchen

B. Cars were organised outside the hotel as per seniority of the
members

C. In the peak of the crisis, she stepped out and got the right wine
glass for the guest

8. People who exhibited courage included janitors, waiters,
directors, artisans and captains - all level of people



C. The Tata Gesture



1. All category of employees including those who had
completed even 1 day as casuals were treated on duty during the time the
hotel was closed

2. Relief and assistance to all those who were injured and
killed

3. The relief and assistance was extended to all those who
died at the railway station, surroundings including the "Pav-Bhaji" vendor
and the pan shop owners

4. During the time the hotel was closed, the salaries were
sent my money order

5. A psychiatric cell was established in collaboration with !
Tata Institute of Social Sciences to counsel those who needed such help

6. The thoughts and anxieties going on people's mind was
constantly tracked and where needed psychological help provided !

7. Employee outreach centres were opened where all help,
food, water, sanitation, first aid and counselling was provided. 1600
employees were covered by this facility

8. Every employee was assigned to one mentor and it was that
person's responsibility to act as a "single window" clearance for any help
that the person required

9. Ratan Tata personally visited the families of all the 80
employees who in some manner - either through injury or getting killed -
were affected.

10. The dependents of the employees were flown from outside
Mumbai to Mumbai and taken care off in terms of ensuring mental assurance
and peace. They were all accommodated in Hotel President for 3 weeks

11. Ratan Tata himself asked the fam! Ilies and dependents - as
to what they wanted him to do.

12. In a record time of 20 days, a new trust was created by the
Tatas for the purpose of relief of employees.

13. What is unique is that even the other people, the railway
employees, the police staff, the pedestrians who had nothing to do with
Tatas were covered by compensation. Each one of them was provided
subsistence allowance of Rs. 10K per month for all these people for 6
months.

14. A 4 year old granddaughter of a vendor got 4 bullets in her
and only one was removed in the Government hospital. She was taken to Bombay
hospital and several lacs were spent by the Tatas on her to fully recover
her

15. New hand carts were provided to several vendors who lost
their carts

16. Tata will take responsibility of life education of 46
children of the victims of the terror

17. This was the most trying period in the life of the
organisation. Senior managers including Ratan Tata were visiting funeral to
funeral over the 3 days that were most horrible

18. The settlement for every deceased member ranged from Rs. 36
to 85 lacs in addition to the following benefits:

a. Full last salary for life for the family and dependents

b. Complete responsibility of education of children and dependents -
anywhere in the world

c. Full Medical facility for the whole family and dependents for rest
of their life

d. All loans and advances were waived off - irrespective of the amount

e. Counsellor for life for each person


D. Epilogue


1. How was such passion created among the employees? How and
why did they behave the way they did?

2. The organisation is clear that it is not something that
someone can take credit for. It is not some training and development that
created such behaviour. If someone suggests that - everyone laughs

3. It has to do with the DNA of the organisation, with the
way Tata culture exists and above all with the situation that prevailed that
time. The organisation has always been telling that customers and guests are
#1 priority

4. The hotel business was started by Jamshedji Tata when he
was insulted in one of the British hotels and not allowed to stay there.

5. He created several institutions which later became icons
of progress, culture and modernity. IISc is one such institute. He was told
by the rulers that time that he can acquire land for IISc to the extent he
could fence the same. He could afford fencing only 400 acres.

6. When the HR function hesitatingly made a very rich
proposal to Ratan - he said - do you think we are doing enough?

7. The whole approach was that the organisation would spend
several hundred crore in re-building the property - why not spend equally on
the employees who gave their life?

http://www.incredimail.com/?id=603996&rui=119431646

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dna ot tatas

by n r

congrats for narrating this long intersting story. yes what a patriotism shown by the staff and how interesting to see the narration.

seeing what has happened in the carriage works, i was wanting to tell all the persoinnel officers, particularly the workshop personnel officers to re ad my book indian case studies and case studies on attitude and behaviour. in fact these are real life situations in service and the one case study which is solved is the one that happened in guntupalli workshops where i was deputed to assist the dy.cpo ir and wpo.

i agree with the last few paragraphs but please think how you people can improve and ensur that the morale of the employees ar kept high. also how would you make the line officers feel how difficult a job you are doing.

Posted on Dec 5, 2009, 2:56 PM

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amazing

by guest

it has brought tears and flood gates of emotion.
thank you.
Tata should be made prime minister of our country.

Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 10:15 AM

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so much to learn......

by monica

...from tatas...We are ages behind what tatas are offering to their staff and we take pride in saying that we r a big welfare organisation. The fact that we r ages behind them can also be derived from the fact that today we discuss things that tatas did to their staff several years ago!!!What has been posted in this meassage was news to me and literally made me sit up and compare their initiatives to how far or how little we do for our staff and their families!
thanks to dinkar for this invaluable piece of post.

Posted on Dec 7, 2009, 11:33 AM

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How to do away?

by comment

Just post one officer each from IRAS and IRPS , on deputation, to the TATA group and all these facilities will stand withdrawn.

I hope Mr.Ratan Tata is reading this forum.

Posted on Dec 8, 2009, 2:21 PM

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Thanks

by Dinakar

Thanks to all for their comments.

Posted on Dec 9, 2009, 8:17 PM

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what about RNA

by an employee

sir sir this is not story but a reality which is happening from decades and decades i fully agree about the DNA ( TATA) but what about RNA should not we think because the sincere dedicated efforts were put by RNA ( management trainee) to make dna to so amicable to their staff. how many rly employees put their efforts in crises. a casual . chalta hai attitude of our staff will be always barrier to implement the ideas of dna . to get facility from our oficers our efforts in work is always important. if RNA ties the hands and work then dna will open their hands to give.

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Time Management

by APO Crly

No matter how many books you read or how many seminars you attend,you will never be able to gain an extra second in a day,bring back a moment that has passed,or make time move more quickly.

Despite all our best efforts to manage it,time continues to flow with complete disregard for our complex time management techniques.Does this mean that time management is a pointless exercise?

No not at allWhat it actually means is this:

What we commonly refer to as time management is not really about managing time It is about managing ourselves.

Heres an example that illustrates why this is so important:

Ben was an accountant in a prestigious accounting firm who was working very long hours in order to move ahead in his career.

One night over a late dinner, his wife said,Be careful honey, one day youre gonna wake up and your little girl will have gone off to college and you will have missed everything.

This comment really struck a chord with Ben.He knew he needed to spend more time at home but he didnt know what else he could do to manage his time better. He was already utilizing his mobile phone, an electronic organizer and a calendar on his computer.

The next day,Ben chatted to his dad who advised him that effective time management was not about managing time,but rather, about managing himself.

Ben took this idea on board and instead of looking for external ways to control his time,he began to focus internally on finding better ways to manage himself.

Instead of spending the first twenty minutes of his day chatting with his colleagues in the tea room,he picked up a coffee on the way to work and headed straight to his desk.
Rather than spending the first hour of his day answering emails,he wrote down a list of the most important things he needed to achieve and immediately began working on the first task.
He also closed down his Internet browser so that he would not be distracted by Facebook,Twitter,or the ebay auction he was watching.
When printing his documents he realized he should check the print queue before walking across the office and standing around waiting for other peoples documents to be completed.
Ben was genuinely surprised by how many ways he found to improve his productivity simply by shifting his focus from managing time to managing himself.His new mantra became that he would:

Spend Quality Time at Work in Order to Spend Quantity Time at Home

With this new approach to managing himself,Ben developed the view that any time he wasted at work was time he was taking away from being with his family.

This new perspective made him more motivated and productive than ever before.By getting more done during work hours,he was able to cut down on his overtime and ultimately spend more time with his family.

So today,Id like to encourage you to realize that while you cannot manage time you can manage yourself.

Instead of looking for additional ways to regulate your time,turn your focus internally and look for better ways to manage yourself and your actions.

By improving the way you manage yourself,you will greatly increase your productivity.This is in turn will help you accelerate your progress towards achieving your most important life goals.

All the Best



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survey

by one very senior retired

this is the malady of irps officers. in fact irps on deputation including the ons like rajeevan should respond. when things do shape unfortunately the camaraderie is not shown in irps cadre.

Posted on Dec 3, 2009, 11:42 AM

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Census Survey for "The State of Civil Services Report 2009-10"

by Jaswant Rai, EDE(GC)

The Department of Administrative Reforms and Public Grievances, Government of India, have commissioned an online survey of officers belonging to ten civil services including IRPS. The purpose of the Survey is to obtain data on the structural and personnel aspects of the civil services in general and also each of the specified services which would enable the government and the policy makers to assess the enabling factors with respect to personnel policies and work environment in meeting the objectives of the civil services.

The Survey is being conducted by the Centre for Good Governance (CGG), Hyderabad, an autonomous body established by the Government of Andhra Pradesh in 2003 to further the governance reform process.

In this regards please connect Adv. (Staff)'s message dated 29-10-2009 to all IRPS officers (excluding probationers) copy attached for ready reference and my Telephonic discussion with IRPS officers. It is learnt that of over 300 IRPS officers only about 25 officers have participated in the online survey. The survey is very important as it would provide valuable feedback on various issues affecting our Service and would be helpful in earnestly striving for the betterment of our Service. The weak response reflects very poorly on the service. Kindly take out a few minutes from your busy schedule to fill up the questionaire. In case, the questionaire has not been received, the same may be downloaded / accessed after contacting Shri A. Srinivas Kumar, Team Leader, SOCS Survey, Centre for Good Governance on email ID: askumar@cgg.gov.in or Sri Prasann Thatte, Sr Programme Manager, Mobile: 09246555602 Email ID: prasann@cgg.gov.in





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Thanks sir for the info

by S.S.Srinivas

The fault lies with SOCS/CGG for not sending the promised email providing the URL and password to access their survey. A feedback to this effect has to be given to CGG. The contact information given in your message is helpful.

Posted on Dec 2, 2009, 7:59 PM

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Re: Thanks sir for the info

by

I agree with Shri S.S.Srinivas, however i have also sent an e-mail to them now also linking the e-mail addresses of all the IRPS officers that are with me.

Posted on Dec 4, 2009, 11:38 AM

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for necessary info pls....

by nk

One of India's most wanted terrorists has played truant for close to three decades by not attending office, although he continues to be a central government employee in Assam.

Self-styled commander-in-chief of the outlawed United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA) Paresh Baruah is an employee of the Northeast Frontier Railways.

He was 21 when he got a porter's job in 1978 under the sports quota (he was a footballer) at the railways in the Tinsukia division in eastern Assam.

"We joined together as a porter at a monthly salary of Rs.370. Paresh Baruah was sincere in his practice sessions (played football for the railways), but by January 1980 he simply vanished not to be seen again," Supriyo Choudhury, now promoted to a conductor in the railways, told IANS.

Baruah, now 52, formed the ULFA in April 1979 along with five others, including self-styled Chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa.

Both are now believed to be operating out of Bangladesh, although recent intelligence reports indicate that Baruah might have sneaked into China for shelter.

source: hindustan times 1.12.09

Posted on Dec 1, 2009, 1:46 PM

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Re: for necessary info pls....

by aathma

whats the moral of this story (information)............

Posted on Dec 1, 2009, 2:15 PM

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very funny

by ttgonmei

initiate DAR action if not done till now, recover bond amount,if applicable in 1978-79, for sports quota appointee...issue some termination order or else someone might approach for cga, settlement in any eventuality.

Posted on Dec 1, 2009, 3:17 PM

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any takers for responsibiity

by concerned

Since this information must be one of the best open secrets and would have passed on right under the nose of many a outstanding officer inclusive of IRPS any takers for responsibility....///can qualify as the joke of the year

Posted on Dec 1, 2009, 4:23 PM

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update

by updater

http://news.in.msn.com/international/article.aspx?cp-documentid=3464464



Posted on Dec 2, 2009, 4:22 PM

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MACP FOR TRANSFER

by NARAYANAN

IN VIEW OF THE MACP CIRCULAR NO. 101/09 PARA No.24
" IN CASE, AN EMPLOYEE AFTER GETTING PROMOTION/ACP SEEKS UNILATERAL TRANSFER ON A LOWER POST OR LOWER SCALE, HE WILL BE ENTITLED ONLY FOR SECOND AND THIRD FINANCIAL UPGRADATIONS ON COMPLETION OF 20/30 YEARS OF REGULAR SERVICE UNDER THE MACPS, AS THE CASE AY BE FROM THE DATE OF HIS INITIAL APPOINTMENT TO THE POST IN THE NEW ORGANISATION"

A CANDIDATE APPOINTED AS T.E. W.E.F. 04.12.85 COMPLETED 23 YEARS OF SERVICE PROMOTED AS Sr.TE W.E.F. 23.04.89 AND TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER DIVISIO OF SAME RAILWAY ON REQUEST ON BOTTOM SENIORITY AS T.E. AGAIN PROMOTED AS SR. TE W.E.F. 23.06.98.

PLEASE ADVISE WHICH (WHETHER ii OR iii) MACP HE IS ELIGIBLE
FROM WHICH DATE
WHICH GRADE PAY HE IS ELIGIBLE

Posted on Nov 30, 2009, 6:23 PM

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E MAIL ID OF DY CPO GAZETTED

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I have sent a e-mail to all Dy. CPO/Gazetted of Zonal Railways at their official e-mail id. Please check the same, if not received, please write the correct e-mail id to me at vpamit87@yahoo.co.in or talk at 9899336652, regards.

Posted on Nov 28, 2009, 9:26 PM

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Not recd

by Deepak gupta

I have not recd sir.pl send it in my other id which is - dycpogwcr@gmail.com.
rgrds, deepak gupta,dycpo/g wcr jbp 9752415602

Posted on Dec 2, 2009, 10:47 PM

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railway officers ...as "khatron ke khiladi"

by nk


i was just watching memorial coverage of 26/11 terror episodes on tv. one of the news channel was covering how CISF jawans was living in the 'gateway of india' monument space in filthy squalid environment.


but often railway officers who are sent on duty to various places are made to stay put in almost similar unhygienic conditions. sometimes, the living conditions ..beds, toilets, is in such sorry conditions that no self respecting officers can dare to step in. officers coming to delhi often stay at their relatives/friends place. some of our rest houses actually qualify for " i dare" (khatron ke khiladi) programs on tv.

i wish some of our railway board officers (especially IRAS officers/officer associations) notice our plight and take remedial steps.

i feel pathetic when i see the facility of hotels which is available to simple govt functionary in GOI to be denied to Indian Railway officers.

i felt sorry for the jawans....public pressure, i think, caused govt to relocate them to habitable place.

but who will feel sorry for railway officers?

nk



Posted on Nov 28, 2009, 4:21 PM

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but

by rajendra agrawal

no doubt we should get facility of hotel but what about farzi type duty in rly

Posted on Nov 29, 2009, 6:50 PM

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guilt by association?

by nk



just becoz some people get farzi type duty....genuine people shd suffer? what kind of logic is this? many people do not work in office still they get salary. by ur yardstick we shd share the guilt and let go our salary.

i am told there are scams in military purchases so what shd we do?....we should stop buying arms and amunitions?

similarly, if there are some corrupt officers which means .....we all shd be termed corrupt?

i do not think ur argument is good enough. why should ten percent of errant officers should spoil the ops of ninety percent rightful officers?

moreover, what do u think ......farzi duty is not being made in other govt department? what is the rationale of targeting railways only?

i think ur argument is quite simplistic. it needs a relook.

nk


Posted on Nov 29, 2009, 7:13 PM

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Who is responsible?

by Railway official

Railway officers are themselves responsible for this sorry state of affairs.

IR officials do not know asset management, be it Human resources or physical assets.

So, things will continue like this ad-infinitum.



Posted on Nov 30, 2009, 5:08 PM

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changes in secr

by rajendra agrawal

Sir Please carry out following changes in SECR
Prafulla Bhatnagar to join as Sr DPO NGP SECR
Shakeer Hussain has joined as Sr DPO BSP
Rajendra Agrawal joined as Dy CPO Gaz SECR
T Lakra Promoted and joined as Dy CPO HQ SECR
Hafiz Muhammad will join Dy CPO Con SECR
Surya Prakash released and is waiting for posting in NWR

Posted on Nov 27, 2009, 8:19 PM

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Updation carried out. Thanks Rajendra.

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Posted on Nov 28, 2009, 10:41 AM

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Congratulations to Mr P. K. Sharma Our new AMS

by IRPSBrotherhood

Let us all celebrate this achievement with Sri P.K.Sharmaour new AMS and strengthen his hand to take IRPS to new Vistas. Now onus lies on all of us to be together and strife together without being sarcastic, critic or remaining a silent spectator. We are memebers of an organised service and need to use this platform for seeking organised career progression, excadre placements, deputations etc. Our Association need our support and will to deal with delicate subject like Parity with other organised CIVIL SERVICES in all manner. Truly We are not appointed by any body than UPSC which is our greatest strength.Even PMO can not ignore our plight. Fact prevails no one can deny Service its due but please do not forget to demand for it as minus it no one will like to bother about.

Posted on Nov 27, 2009, 9:54 AM

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vig

by matter of interest

in a case which has been cleard by courts, board etc. when a person has to retire shortly if the vig. in reply to noc writes 'under investigation' what will happen to all the settlement including dcrg etc. or only pension will be withheld and anticipatory pension given since dcrg amount will be a couple of laks in this case. can the cpo or anyone help.

Posted on Nov 26, 2009, 1:15 PM

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matter of interest

by a very senior retired p.o

saying 'a case is under investigation' means nothing. there is absolutely no bar in settling the person unless there is a cbi investigation or an investigation where there is an expectation of pecuniary loss to the government or any other very serious matter involving the administration. it is for the cpo to send all the settlement papers to accounts and in case the officer has doubt put up papers to cpo who can give straight away orders after seeing the entire file of papers and taking into consideration all matters give orders to send settlement papers to accounts for settlement. if he has also some doubt he may put up papers to gm giving his opinion and pointing all the previous papers etc. and the confidential report etc. and then settle the person. in the case of division the division should be able to sort out the issue.

Posted on Nov 26, 2009, 2:16 PM

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full payment

by learner

all payment has to be made as chargesheet is not issued and without chargesheet it will be taken as charge has not been instituted as such no bar in payment

Posted on Nov 27, 2009, 8:23 PM

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honesty thy name

by an old guy

for all the officers particularly the p branch and vigilance officers.

the cvc and the vigilance organisation as all of you must have know or heard is formed based on what is called santhanam committee report. please read that santhanam committee report. you will understand how vigilance is overacting in many cases and harrass the officers at the last moment.

they and you should know what is the difference between ,technical mistake, and ,mistake having vigilance angle, where corruption in any form either by misuse of power or by accepting bribe is involved. unless there is a specific vigilance angle the case should not be taken up by vigilance. so also the concerned h o d should know whether there is a vigilance angle or not and if he considers that there is no vigilance angle he should say so and return the case back to vigilance to close. vigilance are inerested in keeping up their position and posts and show target as unfortunately targets seems to have been fixed for them. may be they will be arguing that they get so many cases and complaints and they are helping the executives and not sending the cases but that is not so. take for example the unnecessary complaints sent by associations like s c st association because some officer has not helped them. unless they specifically say that the officer has accepted bribe and show proof such cases should not be entertained and n o c in various types of cases like for getting a pass port, purchases or retirement should be refused by vigilance. who checks and ensures that the vigilance clerks and officers themselves are not taking undue advantage or misuse their powers show off!

there was an interesting case in wheel and axle project where the vig. case was foisted against so many employees for purchase of t v without permission (in those days of three or four decades ago permission was requird) and ultimately it was found that in almost all the cases people weree having the antenna on top of their houses as a status symbol for getting their daughters married etc. and the cases had to be closed!

jokes enough. time for working solidly sirs.

Posted on Nov 23, 2009, 1:52 PM

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Really

by honest

Does IR still have honest railwayman/railway person left in its on roll strength??

Difficult question having a two letters answer?????

Posted on Nov 23, 2009, 3:07 PM

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very obvious

by agree

The statement appears to be more than real.Yes the extinct trait on the verge of extinction is still existent in some categories of Group D and Gangman in particular?.There is a sprinkle one or two in other groups and will be in hopless minority

Posted on Nov 23, 2009, 3:48 PM

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really

by oldie

of course there are many example YOU

Posted on Nov 23, 2009, 5:55 PM

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Central Staffing Scheme 2010 Circular

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http://centralstaffing.gov.in/

Click on the 2010 "Circular for other Services" link.

Posted on Nov 22, 2009, 11:00 AM

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