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by chetan jain

Dr Sanghmitra apo/wr has come back from maternity leave and has been posted as Apo/t&c.

Posted on Aug 28, 2008, 2:20 PM

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Thanks Chetan. List updated.

Posted on Sep 1, 2008, 12:54 AM

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IRPS Officer makes news in Hindu daily

by One who read the article

On 23rd Aug,2008 issue of the Hindu daily, an article appeared about an IRPS officer who is working in Guntur as DRM.It was nice to see a railwayman making news in a national daily. You too can read the article at the following site.
http://www.hindu.com/mp/2008/08/23/stories/2008082353850400.htm

Posted on Aug 28, 2008, 10:01 AM

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thanks!!

by monica

for sharing the article.It was interesting reading!!
monica

Posted on Aug 28, 2008, 2:47 PM

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Re: IRPS Officer makes news in Hindu daily

by mathivanan

it was very plesanto see drm sir in hindu,we hav spent near 7 days in guntur in which shared his vision for developing railway colony into ecological housing colony..,infact he is doing this job single handely as none of the branch officer are leaving in railway colony

Posted on Aug 29, 2008, 1:07 PM

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maternity leave in SPC

by interested

any idea if the reco of SPC for extension of maternity leave to six months has been accepted or not?

Posted on Aug 27, 2008, 11:31 PM

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Shntipath in honour of Shri Prem Khuntia

by gita mishra

With great sorrow it is informed that Shri Prem Khuntia IRAS 1981 batch and husband of Mrs Neera Khuntia IRPS 1982 batch is no more.We will always miss the wonderful, straightforward and helpful colleague.
The shantipath will be held on Thursday 28/8/08 at State Entry Road Club from 5.30 pm to 6.30 pm.

Posted on Aug 27, 2008, 1:49 PM

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implementation of SPC

by pc

Can any one throw light as to when orders/instructions are likely to be issued from Board?WILL staff retiring in months other than Dec of this year retire in the month of superannuation or in DEC 08.

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 12:30 PM

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Board can issue orders, when Revised Pay Rules are notified.

Revised Pay Rules are likely to be issued by Friday end, by Ministry of Finance.
Second point will be decided when DOPPW takes up the item for examination.
Unless Govt accepts the recommendation, nothing can be said at this point of time.

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 8:03 PM

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Bereavement

Mr Prem Khuntia, IRAS h/o Mrs Neera Khuntia,IRPS is no more.
May God give peace to the noble departed soul.
We pray to the God to give strength to the family to bear this irreparable loss.

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 11:48 AM

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Re: Bereavement

by all officers

sincerest condolences

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 2:44 PM

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clarification about Board's letter

Ref: Board's letter No.P(R)171/III dated 21.09.2000.

Item-1:

Kindly clarify this board letter.

Does it mean,

If any vacancy arises for the first time in the assessment year and the roster is SC/ST point, it should be treated as UR and the SC/ST point should be carried forward to the next recruitment year.

OR

If you are operating a particular post for the first time, then the vacancy should be filled by an UR candidate and the SC/ST point should be carried forward to the next recruitment year.

Which notion is correct.

Item-2:

a) A vacancy (UR) arises in a selection post in the month of march 2007 (assessment year 2006-07);
b) Notification issued on 01.10.2007 (assessment year 2007-08) only for one vacancy without considering the (c) below; and
c) Another vacancy (ST) arises in the same selection post on 01.08.2008 (due to retiement on 31.07.2008) (assessment year 2008-09).

Que.1) In this case u treat the 2nd vacancy as vacancy as per assessment year 2007-08 or 2008-09?
Que.2) Here, will u apply Bd. Order stated at Item-1 above? And how?

Since, our office is a small unit, only one vacancy arises in a blue moon and if u treat it as UR and carry it forward the SC/ST point for next year; then only after 10 years there will a vacancy again. Hence, plz. clarify Item-1 & 2.
Thanking you in anticipation.

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 8:35 PM

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Re: clarification about Board's letter

by Anonymous

this is not the forum for such clarification gentleman

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 10:15 PM

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reply to anonymous

Mr.Anonymous, this is Personnel Officers forum. I know that. But, being an officer of personnel department u have to reply to our problems and help us. I think u don't know rules. Otherwise u will not reply like this.

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 11:04 PM

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Please be patient

by Polite

You are correct and Mr Anonymous is also partially correct.but please dont get offended.Question Mr Ramesh asked is an interesting one and will be discussed & answered here only in details by all the knowledgeable.take it easy

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 12:26 AM

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Pl recheck the letter no

by an IRPS

Dear Ramesh,
i think there is some mistake in letter no. i am not able to find such letter.as far as my information goes following letter were issued by the board around the date u mentioned
1.No 99/H/6-4/Policy regarding powers to non railway medical institution for CT scan dated 20/09/2000
2.E(Treg) 94 (28)1 regarding incentives for higher qualification dated 21/09/200
3.E9MPP)96/3/34 regarding training of metallugist dated 21/09/2000
4 No 99/E(RRB)25/11 Regarding Rect To Gp D Post dated 21/09/2000
so please recheck and give the details.
with regards

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 12:04 AM

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Rly Bd lr. is 2000-E(sct)/1/25/19 dated 04.08.2000 RBE No.149/2000

Text is same in my first request. But board letter was wrongly mentioned earlier.

Plz. help me.

Posted on Aug 26, 2008, 1:16 PM

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Re: Rly Bd lr. is 2000-E(sct)/1/25/19 dated 04.08.2000 RBE No.149/2000

by Anonymous

1.Assessment year can not be changed.
2.you were right operation of st point will be done only when next vacancy arises.time factor is immaterial here

Posted on Aug 29, 2008, 11:57 PM

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Calculation of Revised DA Rate in SPC

by Accounts_wala

Calculation of expected DA RATE in SPC :

The Old DA w.e.f. 01.01.2006 are as under
Old DA as on 01.01.2006 = 24%
Old DA as on 01.07.2006 = 29%
Old DA as on 01.01.2007 = 35%
Old DA as on 01.07.2007 = 41%
Old DA as on 01.01.2008 = 47%
Old DA as on 01.07.2008 = 54%

Since the 24% DA is merged with the new pay, therefore DA should have been the following:

DA as on 01.01.2006 = 24% - 24% = 0%
DA as on 01.07.2006 = 29% - 24% = 5%
DA as on 01.01.2007 = 35% - 24% = 11%
DA as on 01.07.2007 = 41% - 24% = 17%
DA as on 01.01.2008 = 47% - 24% = 23%
DA as on 01.07.2008 = 54% - 24% = 30% ( based the AICPI calculation DA hike from 01.07.08 will be 7%)

But this is not the case. SPC has changed the base year for calculating the DA from 01.01.1996 to 01.01.2006. Therefore the revised DA will be approximately half the old DA.

The 6 CPC has given an Errata in its website for calculation of Dearness Allowance with effect from 01.01.2006 as follows:

" The reference base for calculation of DA w.e.f. 01.01.2006 will be the 12 monthly average index of 536 as per AICPI(IW), 1982 series. This when converted to 2001 series using the linking factor 4.63 works out to 116".
Based on this errata, the calculation of DA w.e.f. 01.01.2006 will be as under:

12 monthly average of AICPI (IW) as on 01.07.2006 = 119
12 monthly average of AICPI (IW) as on 01.01.2007 = 123
12 monthly average of AICPI (IW) as on 01.07.2007 = 127
12 monthly average of AICPI (IW) as on 01.01.2008 = 131
12 monthly average of AICPI (IW) as on 01.07.2008 = 135

DA as on 01.01.2006 = NIL
DA as on 01.07.2006 = [119 -116] = 3 X 100/116 = 2.58 = 2%
DA as on 01.01.2007 = [123 -116] = 7 X 100/116 = 6.03 = 6%
DA as on 01.07.2007 = [127 -116] =11 X 100/116 = 9.48 = 9%
DA as on 01.01.2008 = [131 -116] =15 X 100/116 = 12.93 =12%
DA as on 01.07.2008 = [135 -116] =15 X 100/116 = 16.39 =16%

Since the new DA has been considerably reduced and further DA will also be less with this new formula, therefore, the net pay hike will be neutralised in 2-3 years after that our salary will go in negative ( less than the pre revised pay plus DA with old DA calculation formula).

Regards
Accounts_wala

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 12:54 AM

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Re: Calculation of Revised DA Rate in SPC

by Anonymous

what dedication one can expect from the govt. servant if their own govt resorts to this cheating ........ i dnt think this UPA people are going to get a single vote from service class.

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 11:44 PM

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Re: Calculation of Revised DA Rate in SPC

by Anonymous

Aaiye
hum natmastak ho jave
jadugari chakram ke

Posted on Aug 27, 2008, 12:13 AM

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kindly clarify

by alka

sir, now when uniform increment is there in july i have been promoted from 5000-8000 grade to 5500-9000 in 17th july 06. now i will be gettting in increment on 01.07.06 i.e basic X 1.03= ........ and what happens to my promotion date whether i will be getting on 01.08.06 one more or i wll be getting only one increment in july 06

my calculation are :

basic pay in old scale on 1.1.06 : 6750 x 1.86 + 4200 = 16755
1.07.06 : 16755 x 1.03 = 17257
1.08.06 : 17257 X 1.03 = 17775
1.07.07 : 17775 x 1.03 = 18308
1.07.08 : 18308 x 1.03 = 18858

new basic+ ta+da+hra = gross
sir pl tell me whether i am correct or not for both the grade pay band is 4200 only, on july 01.01.06 i had completed 15 yrs 7 months in old grade kindly tell me the areeares too.
thanking you all for responding in the forum imeadiately one more request to rakesh tyagi sir, that hiding the name may be for certain reason but not offened any officer in this forum or outside this forum

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 11:27 PM

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Re: kindly clarify

by Anonymous

Are you Alka from RSC/VADADARA

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 3:45 PM

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Clarification regarding Annual Increment

by Accounts_wala

Bajpai sir,

Kindly refer to the para 2.2.19 item no viii which states that...

"The rate of annual increment in all the running pay bands is
2.5% of the total of pay band (stage of fixation in the running
pay band) and grade pay".

Now this 2.5 percent has revised as 3.0 percent but pay grade would be the part for the calculation of Annual increment.

Regards

Accounts_wala

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 7:20 PM

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Thanks!

by Saharsh Bajpai

That is really a fine point, that I missed. Mr. Sunil is correct that way. It would have been very good if Mr. Accounts_wala had come up with his name.
Thanks anyway.
Saharsh

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 8:47 PM

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sixth PC .. latest news

Union government yesterday initiated the implementation of Sixth Pay Commission recommendations by handing over the report to Department of Personnel and Training.

Some highlights of latest developments are

1. Uniform Date of increment (July).
2. Reduction in HRA for senior officers in A1 Cities, to bring parity with market rents in metros.
3. De-merging of Grade Pays of Group B & C employees (which were earlier merged)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 11:04 AM

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sixth pc .. fixation of pay

Fixation of Pay as on 01.01.2006:

Old basic = 7500 ( in pre revised scale S-14 = 7500 - 250 - 12000)

Revised Pay Band = PB-2 = 9300-34800

Grade Pay = 4800

New Basic pay as on :

01.01.2006 = Old basic pay X 1.86 + Grade Pay = 7500 X 1.86 + 4800 = 18750

01.07.2006 = 18750 X 1.03 = 19313

01.07.2007= 19313 X 1.03 = 19892

01.07.2008 = 19892 X 1.03 = 20489

Transport allowance for A1 city from 01.09.2008= 1600

HRA for A1 city = 30 % of new basic from 01.09.2008 = 0.3 x 20489 = 6147

DA on new basic and transport allowance( but TA will be given from 1.09.2008) = revised DA is 16 % effective from 01.07.2008 = 0.16 X ( 20489 + 1600) = 3524

Total Emoluments from 01.09.2008 = New basic pay + TA + HRA + DA ( on new basic pay + TA) = 20489+1600+6147+3524
= Rs 31760

Total Revised Gross Pay from 01.09.2008 = Rs 31760.

Total Pre revised gross pay as on 01.08.2008

= old basic X 1.5 X 1.54( 7% additional DA will be effective from 01.07.08 in pre revised scale 47+ 7 = 54%) + TA + HRA + CCA = (7500X1.5 X 1.54)+ 400 + (0.3 X 7500 X1.5) + 300
= 17325 + 400 + 3375 + 300 = 21400

Gross pre revised Pay as on 01. 08. 2008 = 21400

Absolute hike in gross salary = Gross revised salary - gross pre revised salary = 31760 - 21400 = 10360

Percentage (%) hike in Gross salary = (10360/21400 ) X 100 = 42 %

Notes:

1. It is assumed that he has not got any promotion between 01.01.2006 to 01.09.2008. If one got promotion between 01.01.2006 and 01.09.2008, one additional increment of 3% of new basic pay will be given plus his revised grade pay after promotion will be added for calculating new basic pay. In above sample calculation, if someone got promotion in 01.08.2007 from pre revised scale S-14 (= 7500 - 250 - 12000) to S-15 scale (8000 - 275 - 13500), this scale is now upgraded in PB-3 ( 15600 - 39100) with grade pay 5400.

Therefore he will get one additional ancrement on 01.08.2007
New Basic pay as on
01.08.2007 = 19892 X 1.03 + 5400 ( new grade pay) - 4800 (old grade pay) = 21089
01.07.2008 = 21089 x 1.03 = 21721
Remaining calculation for TA, HRA and Da will remain as it is.

2. He is staying in Class A-1 city.

3. He is not using official transport, therefore eligible for transport allowance.

4. Revised Da will be effective 2% from 01.07.2006, 6% from 01.01.2007, 9% from 01.07.2007, 12 % from 01.01.2008 and 16 % from 01.07.2008.

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 10:58 AM

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Annual Increment

by Saharsh Bajpai

Dear Mr. Sunil
I think, the annual increment of 3% in the month of July, each year excludes the Grade Pay. It has to be applied only on the pay band. So long as an employee is in the same running pay band, annual increments are to be granted on the pay band only. The pay band and the grade pay (which remains constant for a particular grade) together constitute the Basic Pay, on which HRA should be calculated.

In the current example you have calculated as follows:

New Basic pay as on :
01.01.2006 = Old basic pay X 1.86 + Grade Pay = 7500 X 1.86 + 4800 = 18750

01.07.2006 = 18750 X 1.03 = 19313
01.07.2007= 19313 X 1.03 = 19892
01.07.2008 = 19892 X 1.03 = 20489

Thus the basic pay calculation as on 01.01.2006 is correct, but the basic pay on 01.07.06 onwards is wrong.

In my opinion, it should be as under:

01.01.06 - Pay Band = 13950, Grade Pay = 4800, Total Basic Pay = 18750

01.07.06 - Pay Band = 13950X1.03 = 14369, Grade Pay = 4800, Total Basic Pay = 19169
01.07.07 - Pay Band = 14369X1.03 = 14800, Grade Pay = 4800, Total Basic Pay = 19600
01.07.06 - Pay Band = 14800X1.03 = 15244, Grade Pay = 4800, Total Basic Pay = 20044

I wish your formula was correct. But I think, we have to remain contented with the above one.
Others can also throw light, and correct me, if I am wrong.

Saharsh Bajpai

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 5:22 PM

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thanks sir

will try to go into the finer points and formulas to compare both the calculations. so nice of you for highlighting the difference.

regards,

sunil

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 1:33 PM

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JAG

by 98 batch

chetan sir is worried about selection grade ! what about confirmed JAG to 98 batch? iras and irts of 98 batch got it long back.in these services they are now collecting ACR's for 99 batch.within one month they are also getting..

Posted on Aug 22, 2008, 11:55 PM

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Re: JAG

by Anonymous

Don't worry dear friend. Even the SAG Panel of 86 and 87 batches are still with babus only. IRAS, IRTS IRSE all have gone far ahead. Many CPOs belonging to other departments flourishes

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 9:20 AM

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Re: JAG

by Anonymous

kamaal hai..... we are supposed to be the babus for the railways....and we are suffering............ chirag tale andhera !

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 11:52 PM

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JAG 1998 batch

Dear Friend
Regards and Best Wishes to every body.
As far as I know,DPC has been approved from all levels. Posting part is to be done and orders to be issued.Hopefully, orders will be issued on 28th or may be 29th.My advance congratulations.

Posted on Aug 27, 2008, 2:07 PM

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Mrs Geeta Mishra's appointment as Director(HR)

of RVN Limited has been approved by the Appts. Committee of the Cabinet(ACC).
Congrats.

Posted on Aug 22, 2008, 7:35 PM

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wishing her all the best

by Anonymous

from all IRPS

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 12:25 AM

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replacement

by curious

who is going to be the replacement for her in the Bd?

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 12:33 AM

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Re: replacement

by Anonymous

Should be Shri Gulati or Swaminathan, of course, only if Shri Mukundan is not interested

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 9:23 AM

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Re: replacement

by anon

ab board posting ke liye maar hogi!!

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 11:27 AM

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Re: replacement

by Anonymous

Indian Railway Delhi Service; IRPS Posts in Board has become an extension of the Cadre of Northrn Railway; thanks to so many

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 3:52 PM

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Re: replacement

by Anonymous

thats true for other cities also....lucknow,allahabad,kolkata,mumbai,chennai,hyderabad............nobody wants to leave from there and come to board.........and if incidentally board is located in Delhi thats not a fault on account of NR officers.....

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 12:06 AM

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Re: replacement

by Anonymous

moukha to de do thab patha chaleba koyi ayega ya na ayeaga dost. The remark is not intended to hurt the feelings of Northern Railway Officers; but to highlight the attitutde of appropriate authorities in Board of not considering other Railway Officers at all for any level posting in Board

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 9:06 PM

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Notice for General Body Meeting

Please refer to notice of even number, dated 8.8.2008 regarding holding of next General Body Meeting schedule for 25.08.2008. The date of the meeting has been postponed and it will now be held at 7.00 PM on 04.09.2008 at S.P. Marg Club, New Delhi. All members are requested to make it convenient to attend the same.

(Arvind Kumar)
Secretary

Posted on Aug 22, 2008, 5:10 PM

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whats the agenda?

by Anonymous

pl post it here as all who are away from delhi may know

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 12:27 AM

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office bearers

by Anonymous

please also enlighten us about the present offfice bearers and their achievements since last GBM

Posted on Aug 23, 2008, 12:28 AM

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Re: Notice for General Body Meeting

by Anonymous

let timely approval of SAG/SG/JAG be one of the agenda....all services case should be put up together

Posted on Aug 24, 2008, 12:15 AM

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all orders on net......a suggestion

by chetan jain

the site would be more informative and useful if the webmaster somehow manages to scan and upload the various orders issued by the board regarding promotions, transfers and training etc. this is being done by iras site and also in the revenue service. It will be a tough task. But will be of immense use for all of us and for the IRPS fraternity as a whole.

Posted on Aug 22, 2008, 11:02 AM

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Good Suggestion.

I am ready to scan and upload these orders on the web site.It is not a big deal.
But the basic problem is timely availability of these Orders.
If some officer, in Railway Board, can collect these orders on daily basis,and have them sent, I would gladly
upload them.

Posted on Aug 25, 2008, 10:03 AM

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Please listen

by Anonymous

somebody in the board must take charge

Posted on Aug 28, 2008, 11:08 AM

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SPC CONFUSIONS

by VI CPC Man

(A)In a development that could well encourage more civil servants and armed forces personnel to opt for careers in the private sector, the government has decided to grant full

pension benefits to all government employees who leave after 20 years in service, against the current 33 years.

The Union Cabinet has accepted this proposal, along with other recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission on pension benefits for the estimated 3.84 million central government

pensioners. Experts said the reduction in the number of years of service to 20 years to earn full pension benefit was a liberal move and would end stagnation in government

service.

The other terminal benefits decided by approved 6CPC report are raising the gratuity limit to Rs 10 lakh, higher pension for octogenarians, exclusion of earned leave encashed

while in service from the overall limit, clubbing of earned leave and half-day pay leave for encashment.

Octogenarians will now be paid an additional 20 per cent of their basic pension, while those aged 85 will get 30 per cent more, rising to 100 per cent additional pension for

centurions.

Officials said the final award for pensioners accepted by the government implied that central government pensioners would receive an overall increase of 40 per cent in pension.

As a result the total estimated pension liability of nearly Rs 29,900 crore of the central government will go up by nearly Rs 1,400 crore annually.

Based on the Invest India Incomes and Savings Survey, 2007, it is estimated that 5.3 per cent central government employees (170,000) are likely to retire in the two years till

2009-10.

Another proposal to change the commutation formula and outsource the process to public sector banks, which would have saved the government Rs 2,344 crore annually, is also

likely to have been accepted. If implemented, the government will bear only a notional subsidy on account of the interest payable to banks by employees who decide to commute a

part of their pension, against the entire amount plus interest.and

Source : Business Standard (16-08-08)
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(B)If the Govt. accepts the revised commutation table recommended by SPC, an
employee retiring on superannuation at the age of 60 may lose Rs. 1938n for
every 100 ruppes pension commuted by him. An employee getting pension of Rs.
10,000 p.m. opts for 40 % commutation, he may lose Rs.77520/- compared to the
present table(old 9.81, revised 8.194)
2) If D. A. is revised to 16% from the
present 54% w.e.f.1-7-08, the 40% additional benefit given on pension would be
reduced to only a mere 02%
These aspects should be taken care of by the Govt.
and ventilated by the staff unions. Other-wise there is no meaning for the SPC
award.
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(C)It has been noticed that in the revised payscales, the earlier pay scale of S15
is placed in PB2 whilist a new scale has been introduced for the Group A Entry
level. However, in cases where earlier when a Gr. B Gazetted officer has
received ACP for next level, the pay was on par with other Gr. A officers at
S15. Now, it appears that the person who happened to have received such ACP pay
hike would continue in PB2 with Grade Pay 5400 whilist the new Gr. A entrant
would be placed in PB3 though with same grade pay but in a different pay band.
Further, the erstwhile pay scale of S14 would be placed in PB 2 with Grade Pay
4800. In case such a Gr. B Gazetted person receives ACP should he be placed in
the Same PB2 with Grade Pay 5400 or should he be placed in PB3 with this grade
pay ?
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(D)Sources said a wait for one more week may bring Sixth Pay Commission Report in Black and White as Men in charge are making the 6CPC report finer which was earlier approved by

cabinet broadly a week back.

One of the senior level officers who are finalising the 6CPC implementation told that after the approval by the Cabinet, the report has been handed over to DOPT (Department of

Personnel and Training) for making it executable. The Official has also told that the following areas are being concentrated by DOPT now before implementing the report.

* Pay Fixations relating to Group D cadre as the same is to be retained as per Cabinet's approval against the 6CPC recommendations otherwise.
* Workability of Uniform Date of increment (during every July of the year) recommended by 6CPC.
* Possibility of reducing HRA to higher level Officers stationed at A1 Cities, as 30% HRA on the Pay of certain high level cadres exceeds Market Rent prevails at Metropoliton

Cities.
* Adjustments in Grade Pays relating to certain Pay scales of Group C and Group B which were merged by Sixth Pay Commission recommendations.
* Modility in the Grant of Personal Pay in the background of fixed annual increment which was the basis for payment of Personal Pay so far has been replaced with percentage

based annual increment.
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(E)the recommendation to cut the number of official holidays has not been accepted as yet due to the perceived backlash that such a move would invite from the employee unions

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(F)to quit the service after putting in 15 years and before completing 20 years without pension benefits.
The proposed move could have not only offered government servants some flexibility to proceed for better opportunities outside the public sector but also allowed the government

to recruit fresh talent. However, even the Committee of Secretaries set up under the Cabinet Secretary rejected the proposal without citing any substantial reason.
Similarly, sources said the Government also declined to offer the women and disabled flexitime job engagement a long-pending demand with the Government. The issue was not even

raised by any minister at the meeting that approved the pay hike.
However, one rejection by the Government should make the employees happy. The Cabinet declined to reduce the gazetted number of holidays to three Independence Day. Republic Day

and Gandhi Jayanti and decided to continue with the existing number of gazetted holidays in a year.
However, the Government decided to process separately the issues like general insurance and health insurance
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(G)chairman, 6th pc.
`There has been some diplomatic jugglery`
interviewer : Siddharth Zarabi / New Delhi August 15, 2008, 0:50 IST

Justice B N Srikrishna, 67, was the chairman of the sixth Pay Commission that submitted its recommendation to the government on March 24 this year.

Just over four months later, the Union Cabinet on August 14 accepted the award, and bettered it. Siddharth Zarabi spoke to the Mumbai-based jurist for his reactions. Excerpts:

Que : Do you feel vindicated with the government accepting the award?

Ans : I am glad that the government has politically solved the grievances of various sections of employees. We had worked on the numbers that the ministry of finance had given

us. My job was to give the award within those parameters and we did that. As I can see, the government seems to have improved on our numbers and had they only told us then that

they have more to give away, we would have given a better award.

Never mind if they have done some diplomatic jugglery, there is nothing wrong in that. It is the privilege of the government to accept the recommendations. I am happy that at

least one report of mine has been accepted. My earlier reports were rubbished (laughs).

Que : The outgo on account of the award is higher than what the report had projected. What do you have to say to that?

Ans : Yes. They have said that they would spend Rs 15,700 crore on the Central Budget and Rs 6,400 crore on the Railway Budget in 2008-09. We had taken Rs 21,591 crore as the

total impact this year. Now it seems that it has increased a little. The finance ministry kept telling us, we have no money and now if they have found it, so be it. Ultimately,

the burden will be passed on to taxpayers like you and me. The government gives with one hand and takes away with another.

Que : What about the other recommendations to improve government functioning and efficiency?

Ans : They have said the recommendations have been broadly accepted. The point is that you must take work from people and separate the deadwood. If they improve government

functioning, that would be fine.

Note: Justice Srikrishna also headed a commission of enquiry on the Mumbai riots of 1992-93. Its report is yet to be accepted by the Maharashtra government.

now u can guess who did not want to give the employees what they actually deserved

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(H)The Pension of a Group A Officer [retired on 31-5-2004] drawing a Basic Pay of Rs.11950 [+DP 50% +DA 11 %] in the Scale of Rs 10000-325-15600 is Rs 8768 +DA 11% of Rs

8768/-from 1-6-2004.After commutation of 40% [Rs.3507/-]of Pension, his residuary Pension is Rs 5261/-+DA 11% of Rs 8768 wef 1-6-2004..What he got on 1-1-2006 is Rs 7365

/[Pension Rs 5261+DA Rs2104 [24% of Rs 8768]
According to CPC ,his basic Pension is raised to 40% wef 1-1-2006.That is Rs 12,275/-.For this, there will be No DA [from 1-1-2006 to 30-6-2006].The actual increase he gets on

1-1-2006 is Rs 1403/- which is only 19.04% of Rs 7365/-and not 40% as widely publicized!
According to CPC, the percentage of DA wef 1-1-2008 is 12%.This Retired Officer will get a Pension of Rs 12275+ Rs 1473[12% DA of Rs 12,275].At Present,he is getting Rs

9382/-[Pension Rs 5261/-+DA Rs 4121[47% of Rs 8768,the Original Pension]
The increase he will get from 1-1-2008 is Rs 859/- which is only 9.15% increase!Where is the 40% increase much publicized?
Hence,the DA formula of the CPC viz,Nil DA from 1-1-2006 to 30-6-2006,2%DA from1-7-2006, 6%DA from 1-1-2007,9% DA from 1-7-2007 and 12% DA from 1-1-2008 should be thrown into

dust bin by the Hon�ble Prime Minister of India!
The real DA rates will be as follows.
5% from 1-7-2006,11% from 1-1-2007,17% from 1-7-2007 and 23% from 1-1-2008.According to the Reliable Swamy�s News for August 2008 published from Chennai,the percentage of DA due

from 1-7-2008 is 16%!
The total % of DA as on 1-7-2008 is therefore 39%! This applies to Working Employees also.
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(I)Since DP is abilished, therefore we are loosing 0.5 X BP X 24% = 12% of BP. It means hike in pay is just 40% -12% = 28% of old basic. those who are staying in govt

accomodation in campus actual hike in gross salary will be around 12% to 15% only on 1.1.2006.
The base year for clculating the DA has been changed from 1.1.1996 to 1.1.2001, therefore DA for new pay will be 12 - 14 % only on 1.1.2008. actual hike in gross salary as on

1.1.2008 will be further less.
Media is creating hype and giving the false picture of 40% hike in salary but in actual case the hike in gross salary is just 12-15% only.
fifth pay commision revised the basic pay by more than three times. however sixth pay commision revised the BP just 2.3 times. revised pay will be applicable for next 10-12

years. DA, HRA, gratuity and pension depends upon the BP. Therefore rate of contineous hike in gross salary will also drastically reduced for next 10 years.Pay commission has

just played the gimmicks. The actual burden on gout by implimenting the sixrh pay commission recomendation is far less than the same for fifth pay commission 10 years back (

17000 crores for fifth pay commission and 12000 crores for sixth pay commission). insteed of increasing it has decreased.
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(J)There is no rational to put the pay scale of Rs. 5000-8000, Rs.5500-9000 and Rs. 6500-10500 in one Pay Band by allowing the pay of Rs. 8700 by calculating it on the minimum

of the pay band i.e. Rs.5000 plus 74% DA. How can a higher pay scales of Rs. 5500-9000 and Rs. 6500-10500 can be granted the revision of lower pay scale. Moreover, the

calculations are based on 74% DA as on 1.1.2006, which is factually incorrect. The employees have been drawing Rs. 5000+2500(50%DP)=7500 plus 24% i.e. Rs.9300.Therefore, how can

the DP withdrawn with retrospective effect? The pay commission has no authority or power to withdraw a benfit which had been legally granted from 1.4.2004 and drawn by the

employees. It will amount to recovery. Similarly, the employees in the pay scale were drawing Rs. 10230 and Rs. 12090 respectively but have been placed in the pay of Rs. 8700

with similar Grade Pay of Rs. 4200. There is no logic of granting increase of 40% on the maximum of the band. It should have been on the actual pay (Pay+DP plus 24%DA) drawn as

on 1.1.2006 or on the maximum pay of the pay band, whichever is higher. It has caused a loss of Rs. 120, Rs. 1430 and Rs. 3390 respectively in the iniial pay of Rs. 8700 granted

in the above pay band. Further, the the employee in the above pay scales were eligible for Rs. 3720, Rs. 4100 and Rs. 4840 as Grade Pay on actual pay drawn on 1.1.2006. The pay

commission is due from 1.1.2006 but it is always implemented after a delay of 2-3 years. The arrears are not paid with interest, therefore, an interim relief is always granted

by CPC. The 5th CPC was constiuted on 16.9.1993 and the 1st Interim Relief was announced on the same day. Two interim relifs granted by 5th CPC on 16.9.1993 and 1.4.1995 of 10%

and Rs. 100 respectively ultimately were added in the pay fixation table as on 31.12.1995. Therefore, in absence of Interim Relief of at least 5-10%, there is a further loss of

pay fixation of Rs. 375-750, 412.50-825 and Rs. 487.50-975 in the above pay band. Further, an employee in the pay scale of Rs. 6500 has been getting an increase of Rs. 372 with

one increment of Rs. 200 as on 1.1.2006 whereas an increment of 2.5% on Rs. 12900 (8700+4200), the increase will be of Rs. 322,which will cause a recovery of Rs. 50 p.m. The 6th

CPC has recommneded to double the existing allowances like Nusring Allowance from Rs. 1600 to Rs. 3200 but it has recommneded to abolish HPCA/PCA of Rs. 700 and Risk Allowance

of Rs.30-50. It has suggested a medical and life insurance of Rs 5 and 7 lacs fro group C and B employees. Firstly, the carry home salary of low paid employees will decrease

with forced medical and life insurance. Secodnly, the hospital staff are already geting free medical facilities. Above all, the Group C employees in hospital will lose Rs. 1400

(Rs. 700 doubled to Rs. 1400) in comparison with the beneficiary of Risk allowance of Rs. 100 ( Rs. 50 doubled to Rs. 100) whereas the 6th CPC has suggested a medical and life

insurance of Rs. 5 lacs for both of them, which is irrational and illogical. The faulty recommendations of pay will be applicable from 1.1.2006 whereas the HRA, T.A., etc. will

be applicable prospectively. Therefore, it is an absurd to claim of granting 35-40% increase in gross or net pay. The Government has been cheating the employees by not fully

neutralizing the inflation with faulty index for DA. The major commodities have been excluded from the list from time to time which is the major cause that the DA as on

31.12.2005 after 10 years is only 74% whereas the DA as on 31.12.1995 at the time of 5th CPC was 148%, which was exactly double. Therefore, it is basically wrong to take in

account the false DA of 74% for pay fixation as on 31.12.2005. The 6th CPC should take the real DA notionally and fix the pay accordingly. the employees will get 3.6 times of

pay as on 1.1.2006 as against about 2.5 times allowed by 6th CPC. Thus the employees in the above said pay scales are eligible for basic pay of Rs. 18000, Rs. 19800 and Rs.

23400. To avoid stagnation, the 6th CPC has taken good steps by suggesting 40 stages. The linking of DA with TA is a good step. to remove the illogical condition for campus for

grant of TA is also a good step. The de-linking of minimum of 33 years of service for 50% pension is also a good step. However, no recommendations have been given for additional

service beyond 33 years as given by 5th CPC for granting 0.5% extra pension for every 6 months of additional service. The discrimnation on bonus for adhoc and PLB mmust go now

because 4th, 5th and now 6th CPC has recommended the same. The recommendation of 5th CPC on CGEGIS could not be implemented for 10 years. It is hoped that the recommendations of

6th CPC on CGEGIS will find favor of Central Government immediately, which is step towards social security. The severance after a service of 15 years by granting 80 salaries is

a good step but they should be treated as pensioners with minor changes otherwise it may not find favor and employees will wait for another 5 years. The recommendations on

Maternity Leave are also good. The 6th CPC or Central Government need to reconsider the report seriously otherwise the 6th CPC report will be termed as day light robbery and

fraud on low paid employees.

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burden of pay commsn. on railways

by Finance man

the Railway Minister, Mr Lalu Prasad, has made a provision of Rs 4,500 crore to meet the impact of the recommendations of the Sixth Pay Commission during the coming fiscal. Of this, Rs 4,000 crore would go towards covering the revised salary bill of serving employees and another Rs 500 crore for pensions.

But the total additional outgo of Rs 4,500 crore will not really blow a hole into the Railways� finances, given that the cash surplus position of the organisation has staged a significant improvement in recent times.

Between 2004-05 and 2007-08, the cash surplus (total receipts minus operating expenses, inclusive of appropriations towards pension) has gone up from about Rs 9,000 crore to over Rs 25,000 crore.

Cash surplus

The cash surplus is expected to marginally reduce to about Rs 24,800 crore, mainly because of the Pay Commission-induced increase in ordinary working expenses and pension outgo. But the overall buoyancy on the revenue front - courtesy, a booming economy - has ensured that there would be sufficient investible surplus even after providing for the anticipated higher salary-cum-pension bill.

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 11:52 PM

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atten ED(PC)

by ravinder kumar cpo ir c rly

when do we get papers/modalities for pay commission, we ve to pay september salary at revised rate.

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 6:14 PM

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That's enough of it....

by monica

Really...what is this going on? Somebody must put an end to all this.I religiously visit this forum almost daily on a lookout for some good news,some good practice or to interact with other members of this fraternity including those whom i have not met.But i see very poor exchange of messages.They have made this forum to settle scores and i don't know what.
I have no further comments on the contents of the messages but it must stop ...ONCE N FOR ALL!!PLEASE!!
regards to all
monica

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 1:49 PM

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Email of Shri R.D. Chaudhary

by Saharsh Bajpai

I want the email address of Shri R.D. Chaudhary, ED/ERP, Railway Board.
Can anybody help?
Thanks
Saharsh

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 1:05 PM

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e-mail address

Nice hearing. How are you? My email ad. is: r_d_choudhury@yahoo.co.in

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 2:53 PM

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think about it Rakesh

by IRPS obviously

Was closely following Rakes Tyagi's arguments on the site.It seems he is a bit unhappy with his own life because of which he is busy spreading his bitterness in every aspect.All of us are capable of accusing each other,capable of pointing out things which have failed and are not proper but just for once take a pause and reply to your self what has been your role in uplifting the cadre ,in making image of Irps shine?A group is formed by individuals like you n me.If each one of us are concious enough to do our bit to the perfection than in no time our cadre will sparkle.IRPS cadre infact is brimming with many dynamic officers in all batches starting from 80s to till date.It is the arrogance, the petty thoughts,the ugly and demeaning comparisons that we make viz-aviz other cadres,we give everyone else the opportunity to sit up,take note of our flaws and have a good laugh on our cadre.If you are in the job better appreciate its value ,constructively criticize as well but if you are so pissed off that you are full of bitterness for the cadre than why not take a graceful exit and place your highness in some happening corporate and make us all feel proud of you.Cheers anyways!

Posted on Aug 20, 2008, 11:49 AM

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Koshish kar ke dekh le

by same of your ilk

The observations were succint though would not comment on perceptions of any of the IRPS but I feel value addition to the society and cadre in particular should be the wont so that the world at large becomes a beutiful place to have been born,brought up and to have brightened it by small acts of empathy to fellow travellers Amen

Posted on Aug 20, 2008, 1:02 PM

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Re: think about it Rakesh

by Rakesh Tyagi

Dear obvious IRPS,
Who ask for ur comments on my personal life? And by the way who are u to comment upon it and how dare u? Who are u to tell me to exit? If you know me thn go and have a survey at divisions wherever i worked in my service so far. Go and ask the staff & the employees there for whom i have worked.Dear i work for my honesty & clear conscience and for resolving the genuine grievances of employees but not for the chamchagiri,fear of the union or for getting petty benefits from my higher ups.I was made to suffer for keeping my honesty traits and egoist,corrupt & useless people spread bad words about me that i am arrogant and frustrated.Yes i am arrogant and frustrated but for these people only because they deserve such treatment.However i dont want any certification from you... so whatever you have, save it for yourself and for your family.
Further for your kind information i am very happy with my life and am proud to be an IRPS. My rank in UPSC was 119 and i choose to become an IRPS rather thn most of the IRPS who become IRPS on the last option but thats history now.The double standard people who preach something but act exact opposite makes me sick.It is the corrupt and dishonest people who makes me sick.It is the people like u who loves to intrude in others life makes me sick.I already decided to not to have anything
on this site but people like you are provoking me again and again.It seems that people like you have nothing else to do...go ! do some work and justify your salary so that you can sleep peacefully at night.
May i ask your contribution to the service? Arey ! what contribution you can give when you d'nt have the courage to declare your name.! my dear, leaders led from the front,they d'nt hide behind fake names.
Anyway enough is enough ! i sincerely want to stop this nonsense which is going on & on . i dont want anything personal on this site but if somebody still prefer to do that?,go ahead but pl come with the names they received from their parents.d'nt be coward...!

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 12:36 AM

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selection grade

by chetan jain

any news about selection grade for the exam batch 1994?

Posted on Aug 20, 2008, 10:26 AM

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Somebody from Rly Bd. shd reply. ACRs yet to be collected.

Yes

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 1:49 AM

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Sabra Karo

by Somebody from Rly Bd

Sabra Karo Baccho- jaldi order mil jayega!

Posted on Aug 21, 2008, 1:11 PM

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liberal n honourable exit

by pc

has the govt accepted the suggestion of SPC regarding liberal severance package?has the exit route been simplified and kept decent and uncomplicated?I feel many would like to bid adieu if liberal steps are taken in this regard.Can any one throw some light on this aspect

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 11:34 AM

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The official word is limited to this Press release.

http://pib.nic.in/archieve/others/2008/aug/r2008081405cab.pdf

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 11:43 AM

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confused

by alka

sir, now i am in 5500-9000 grade promoted in july 2006. to fix my pay on 1.1.06 which grade they wiil consider earlier i.e.5000-8000 in that grade i had completed 16 years or new grade which i had shoulder only on july 06.according to calculator if i put new grade i am getting salary what i am drawing if i put old scale as on 01.01.06 i am getting a good hike. if any body can correctly calculate

date of prmotion to 5000-8000 may 90
completed increment up to 01.01.06 - 15
basic pay on 01.01.06 is rs.6750
promotion to next grade 5500-9000- july 06
not avaling qrs
staying b1 city

kindly calculate and help me

i have completed 21 ys service i am so confused i think instead of continuing i should take vrs only
thanking you

Posted on Aug 18, 2008, 11:55 PM

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Have patience.Read on.

Wait for Government's orders.
Prima facie, your pay shall be fixed with ref to new scale corresponding to old scale of Rs 5000-80000(as on 01.01.2006).
Promotion will be effected in July 2006 as per new rules and in new scales(yet to be notified).

for calculators( not very trustworthy), visit http://staffcorner.com/.

Hope it makes you less confused.

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 11:40 AM

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Untitled

by anonymous

anybody know surely the pay brand of selction grade

Posted on Aug 18, 2008, 8:48 PM

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PB-4(revised) is the Pay band.

I do not know about "Pay Brand", which u hv asked.

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 1:45 AM

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these

by ravinder kumar cpo ir c rly

are the times of BRAND AMBASSADORS for anyhing and everything.

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 11:15 AM

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HUMOUR..

by Ravinder Kumar cpo ir c.rly

MY INDIA GREAT ? O YEAH !

US Airliner boasts of 128 employees per aircraft, nowhere near to benchmark of 558 employees per aircraft in our desi national carrier. Surprised ? why ! we are Maharajas, Americans are not. America may be superpower but grossly short of manpower. We are flooded with men. We are hero number one in this field. We have core competence in this area. Americans simply can not beat our stamina and fertility. Americans have almost everything automatic. We have army of caretakers to monitor, maintain and mismanage even the most hi-tech gadgets. For changing electric bulb we require no less than three men, one, a senior supervisor, two, the man who will actually perform, three, the guy carrying bagful of electric bulbs and the ladder.

The term �self service� is befitting to Americans only. It doesn�t augur well with our kind of temperament, culture and ethos. Not that we didn�t try. We tried self service on the lines of American departmental stores in our Super Bazar. We all know the consequences. Partly, super bazaar is also to be blamed for giving us suggestive slogans such as �super bazaar�apna bazaar�. We took it literally and see what happened. We hear, government is contemplating with the idea of privatising it. Employees of super bazaar are obviously perturbed. They are against any such move which may even remotely lead to privatisation for they have already done its personalisation. On the same lines, as tourismwalas cried hoarse as to why privatisation of tourism development corporation. What about their own development. Isn�t that too the responsibility of the state to develop �we the people of India�. One of their flagship hotels, whatever that means, has the staff of five hundred and the guests precious five. In other words, hundred staffers per guest. Wow! The going was never so luxurious for either of them. India truly has a longstanding tradition of �atithi devo bhav��the guests are gods. Americans � the backpackers simply can not understand this, leave alone emulating it ever.

With one hundred thirty six brands of hair oils and shampoos and two hundred fifty six brands of toilet soaps already launched and in vogue in India the Ms. Universe and Ms. World can not help push anymore products in the market, hence, no more Miss World from India.

MNCs very soon will monopolise the air we breathe. They have already captured and bottled the water we drink. Imagine we buying bio-friendly green oxygen cylinders month after month. Neighbours would go around gleefully borrowing �got a spare cylinder ?�

I hear MNCs, targeting the ever thirsty, are out to launch water satchels for the millions of slum-dwellers. Rupee one per satchel, the flow was never so smooth.

Children will blissfully carry yet another accessory besides the school bag and cell phone that is cute, tiny oxygen cylinders. Whatever happened to the slogan of swadeshi. Under the garb of swadeshi, we have MNCs merchandising pen, pencil, shoes, undergarments soaps, oils etc.

The day is not far off when they will enter the market of kulhars, pattals, chhappar, fodder, sugar cane juice and lastly the gur making industry. People will boast �in so and so�s marriage tea was served in swedish kullhars�. �In my daughter�s wedding I got pattals flown in from Japan�. �Our buffalo takes only made in Germany fodder�. First India went through Mandalisation, and then came Kamandalisation and finally the globalisation. Drink water, not of Ganga but Volga, only hundred rupees per glass. Relish gur of UK not UP and exclaim �wow! How sweet!�

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 10:38 PM

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pay fixation

by anxious

sir i have promoted in july 2006 in 5500-9000. now my basic is 7425 what will be my basic fixed in sixth pay commission on jan 2006. new grade or as on 1.1.06 . kindly clarify and please clarify if i take vrs what will be my benefits
thank you

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 10:13 PM

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clarification

by Anand Madhukar

The exact position reg ur querries is still not clear and we will have to wait for ministry circulars. however, u can take help of calculators posted on g.connect site for an assessment of ur pay fixation. Just google sixth pay commission and click on the g.connect link and follow the directions on ur screen thereafter. While the condition of min 20 yrs q.s for vrs has not been changed, Ive not been able to find out whether the recommendation reg doing away with proportional pension system in cases of less than 33 yrs q.s has been accepted by the cabinet.

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 11:17 PM

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Re: clarification

by informed..

The government has decided to grant full pension benefits to all government employees who leave after 20 years in service, against the current 33 years.

The Union Cabinet has accepted this proposal, along with other G recommendations have also been accepted. These include raising the gratuity limit to Rs 10 lakh, higher pension for octogenarians, exclusion of earned leave encashed while in service from the overall limit, clubbing of earned leave and half-day pay leave for encashment

Headline buisenes standard.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/storypage.php?autono=331552

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 11:33 PM

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Assistance

Click below
http://staffcorner.com/talk/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=699

Posted on Aug 17, 2008, 1:11 AM

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Encourage Globalisation

by Angaraj Mohan

I fully agree with the opinion of Anand Madhukar. Sh. Tyagi should have been more sober in his reaction and restrained in his language.We owe an apology to the SM who posted the query.We should welcome such queries as these would not only help the person making query but also us.I, too agree that after all we are paid for resolving these confusions and helping the staff to get what is his due.Why should any staff be dependent only on Officers of his Div./W-Shop/Railway? If we have such discussion forum, let the benefit go to all.Let the Grievance Redressal Machinery also go on 'globalisation trip.' I hope Sh. Tyagi will appreciate our point and take no offence.

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 9:37 PM

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Re: Encourage Globalisation

by Rakesh Tyagi

THANKS ,
i am not taking any offence.no advice needed either.kindly read my post as replies to the mail "not very nice" and to the probationer under the heading "IRPS List 2007".
have a good time on this site.bye

Posted on Aug 17, 2008, 12:32 AM

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Not very nice

by Anand Madhukar

The entire exchange bw Rakesh and a SM/KM left a bad taste in the mouth. While it is true that this is a forum for IRPS officers, I fail to understand why any offence should be taken if somebody wants any clarification reg an estt related issue. In any case, wont a dignified silence been better than letting the level of discourse degenerate to such an apalling extent? Let us not forget that the senior we are ,the higher the standards of behaviour expected from us. Showing a little sensitivity to somebody's problems never hurts and after all, this is what we are paid to do.

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 2:30 AM

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Very apt.

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Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 1:38 PM

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I too agree

by S.Mishra

this forum has been for long a referral site for every cadre and the outburst was really did not bode well for the entire IRPS fraternity who were giving suggestions and tips in earnest.

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 8:43 PM

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Re: Not very nice

by Anonymous

agreed it was not nice but on whose part? who was provoking whom? anyway i am not asking for any support,if somebody humiliates me on a public site i also have every right to pay back on the same forum.but i feel sad for the fraternity who chose to ignore a fellow officer and prefer to take side with an unknown entity who was making fun of IRPS officers !
he was true this site is good for exchanging mobile numbers,postings etc by people having funny names like "dukhi praani", "anxious", "personnel babu" etc.if this is the destiny of this site i prefer not to be seen here anymore from now on.i am quitting this forum forever.kindly enjoy the funny names and their silly behaviors.any kind of inconvenience caused to anybody due to me is sincerely regretted.good bye

Posted on Aug 17, 2008, 12:22 AM

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Re: Not very nice

by Rakesh Tyagi

Anonymous
Posted Aug 17, 2008 12:22 AM

agreed it was not nice but on whose part? who was provoking whom? anyway i am not asking for any support,if somebody humiliates me on a public site i also have every right to pay back on the same forum.but i feel sad for the fraternity who chose to ignore a fellow officer and prefer to take side with an unknown entity who was making fun of IRPS officers !
he was true this site is good for exchanging mobile numbers,postings etc by people having funny names like "dukhi praani", "anxious", "personnel babu" etc.if this is the destiny of this site i prefer not to be seen here anymore from now on.i am quitting this forum forever.kindly enjoy the funny names and their silly behaviors.any kind of inconvenience caused to anybody due to me is sincerely regretted.good bye

Posted on Aug 17, 2008, 12:24 AM

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Cabinet Decision on Six CPC ( full detail )

by Anonymous

The Union Cabinet today gave its approval for implementation of the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission. The revised pay scales will come into effect from 1/1/2006 and revised rates of allowances from 1/9/2008. The Cabinet has also decided that arrears will be paid in cash in two instalments � first instalment of 40% during the current year (2008-09) and the remaining 60% in the next financial year (2009-10).

2. The Cabinet has broadly accepted the recommendations of Sixth CPC with some modifications in the wake of representations received from various sections/Associations of Central Government employees. The new system of four Pay Bands with 20 Grade Pays recommended by the Commission has been accepted with some minor modifications.

3. The minimum Basic Pay for a Government servant has been increased to Rs.7000 from Rs.6660 recommended by the Sixth CPC. Consequently, the total emoluments of an employee at the lowest level will exceed Rs.10,000 p.m., including allowances.

4. The other highlights of the Cabinet decision covering all Government employees including the Defence Forces are:-

(i) Enhancement in the fitment in revised pay bands, which was recommended by the Sixth CPC to be based on multiplication factor of 1.74 to 1.86. This would result in increased emoluments for Government employees.

(ii) Increase in the rate of annual increment from 2.5% to 3%.

(iii) Removal of Campus restriction for grant of Transport Allowance.

(iv) Increase in Transport Allowance at the lowest level to Rs.600 (from Rs.400 in A-1/A class cities recommended by the Sixth CPC) and Rs.400 (from Rs.300 in other cities recommended by the Sixth CPC).

(v) At least three promotions have been assured for all Defence Forces� personnel and civilian employees under the modified Assured Career Progression (ACP) Scheme. While the civilians would get it after 10, 20 and 30 years of service, the Defence Forces Jawans would get ACP in 8, 16 and 24 years.

5. For the Armed Forces personnel, the Commission, for the first time recommended a Military Service Pay (MSP). The Cabinet has increased the rate of MSP for PBORs to Rs.2000 from Rs.1000 recommended by the Commission. The Officers of the Defence Forces would get an MSP of Rs.6000 over and above their Pay.

6. The middle level officers of the Defence Forces namely Colonels and Brigadiers have been placed in the highest Pay Band of PB-4.

7. Senior Lt. Generals overlooked for promotion as Army Commanders due to lack of residual service would now get the grade of Army Commander (Secretary�s grade). In the case of existing Major Generals/Lt. Generals, MSP will be taken into account notionally for fixation of pay on 1/1/2006.

8. As replacement of the pay scale of Rs.24050-26000, a separate pay scale has been carved for DGPs, PCCFs, GM (Railways), members of the Boards of Income Tax, Customs & Central Excise, Postal and Ordnance Factories, among others, who were in this pre-revised scale. This would take them to the level of Rs.80000 in two years as against three years in the pre-revised scale.

9. Further, the IPS Pay Rules and the Indian Forest Service Pay Rules will be appropriately modified to provide in each State cadre one post of DGP and one post of PCCF at the apex level of Rs.80000 for heading their respective Forces.

10. Middle level Police and Civilian officers i.e. DIGs, Conservator of Forests, Scientists E & F, Superintending Engineers, Directors, Additional Commissioners of Income Tax and Central Excise and posts in equivalent grades have also been placed in PB-4.

11. Other salient decisions taken by the Cabinet are:-

(i) The lower limits of Disability Pension for Defence personnel to be doubled from Rs.1550 to Rs.3100. War Disability Pension to be granted at 60%;

(ii) The rates of Special Forces Allowance for Army and Air Force to be equated with navy�s Marine Commando Allowance;

(iii) For the officers of Central Para Military Forces, all the posts of Additional DIG upgraded to DIG level by the Pay Commission to continue to be manned by the cadre officers of CPMFs;

iv) For the Railway employees who are in receipt of Running Allowance, this allowance will be taken into account while fixing their pay in revised pay bands;

(v) Government has continued the present position of granting Group A scale to Group B officers after 4 years of service and these officers would be placed in PB-3 instead of PB-2 recommended by the Sixth CPC. This would benefit Group B officers of the Railways, Accounts Services, CSS, CSSS and DANICS & DANIPS.

(vi) For Doctors, the Cabinet has approved promotions under the Dynamic ACP Scheme upto Senior Administrative Grade (Joint Secretary level) for Doctors with 20 years of service. Counting of Dearness Allowance (DA) on Non-Practicing Allowance (NPA) as on 01.01.2006 for fixing their pay in revised pay bands has also been approved;

(vii) For the scientists, continuation of the existing system of grant of Special Pay of Rs.2000 p.m. to Scientists G on promotion and doubling of the amount to Rs.4000 p.m. in Departments of Space and Atomic Energy and Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) has been recommended.

12. The financial implications in 2008-09 on account of the implementation of the recommendations of the Sixth Central Pay Commission as modified by the Cabinet will be around Rs.15700 crore on the Central Budget and Rs.6400 crore on the Railway Budget.

Posted on Aug 14, 2008, 9:35 PM

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increase in work

by a personnel babu

pay commission means more work for personnel department, and more pay for others. accounts will show how bad we are in front of DRM. unions have achieved nothing but will claim credit". what a joke...

Posted on Aug 15, 2008, 1:43 AM

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Re: increase in work

by dukhi prani

bacche ka rona sahi hai
par es dukh ko samjhega kon

Posted on Aug 15, 2008, 12:03 PM

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aur bhi gham hai zamane mein?

by pc

My dear,Kindly take some time out to understand how our Gangman/Porters at wayside places slog eternally in most adverse conditions with a single point mission of keeping the wheels of IR moving.Smile is the only solace they seek and expect their destiny lords to be a little merciful......It is a challenge Personnel has successfully done many times Earlierand its this time when we can add one more feather to our glorious cap...

Posted on Aug 19, 2008, 1:14 PM

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6 th PC announced PTI News

by DyCPO SECR

An extract of the national news posted at 2.17 pm is pasted below.
"...---The government increased the minimum entry level salary of a government employee to Rs 7,000 against Rs 6,660 recommended by the Commission headed by Justice B N Srikrishna who submitted the report in March this year. Consequently, it would push up the total emoluments of an employee at the lowest level beyond Rs 10,000 per month including allowances.

It also increased the rate of annual increment from 2.5 per cent to 3 per cent. In the defence sector, it approved at least three assured promotions for all defence forces personnel and civilian employees under the modified Assured Career Progression scheme.

While civilians would get this after 10, 20 and 30 years of service, defence forces jawans would be promoted under ACP after 8, 16 and 24 years. The hiked salary would be given to the employees beginning September this year and the arrears from January 2006 would be given in cash in two installments -- 40 per cent this fiscal and 60 per cent in 2009-10.

PTI."

well... someone may confirm and shed more light on this.

Posted on Aug 14, 2008, 4:12 PM

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Untitled

by Anonymous

Who is replacement to Dr Meshram at RCF, Whether Sri. Mittal has been joined NCR

Posted on Aug 14, 2008, 11:56 AM

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ACP

by Station Master

I am SM/III. I joined MYS divn on reversion as ASM from UBL Divn and once again promoted here as SM/III. Now I completed 24 years, Can I get 2nd financial upgradation under ACP scheme. I am told that since I got promotion in UBL as SM/III and again here as SM/III after joining on reversion, I will not get the benefit. Kindly clarify.

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 10:41 PM

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Re: ACP

by Anonymous

Not eligible for ACP

Posted on Aug 14, 2008, 11:49 AM

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irps list 2007

by mathivanan.probationer

good news
1. 15 seats for irps in civil service 2007 list,
2. 11 hav been alloted by the dopt on 12/8/8.
3. another 4 by next few weeks,

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 7:55 PM

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Appreciable

by S.S.Srinivas

Induction of fresh blood into the service in sufficient numbers is definitely "GOOD NEWS". Mathivanan's initiative in posting such information on this forum needs appreciation and not sarcasm! Thanks Mathivanan.

Posted on Aug 14, 2008, 9:42 AM

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Agreed

by Rakesh Tyagi

Point taken,
It is good that we are having hope in our fresh blood to change our(IRPS) destiny.but is'nt it a little bit selfish? what career plans we are having for our young probationers?,what kind of training we are providing them? what promises we are having for them if they perform extra-ordinary when in service? we still teach them passes and leave rules at RSC to make them a highly paid railway clerk . .! where is HRM in their entire training module? each civil service of railway viz IRTS,IRAS IRPF have specialised training academy.what about IRPS? why he/she is being deprived?these and there are so many questions which requires introspection before we led our young ones to illusionism
and dear anonymous it is your basic right to feel good about anything u like,u read me wrong in that way.as far as numbers for my benefits are concerened i understand you are quite new to the service and yet to know the biology & pathology of existing bigger numbers in individuality or as a group.so better not discuss it here.whenever u visit delhi visit me and lets have a meaningful discussion over it.

Posted on Aug 15, 2008, 12:54 AM

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Re: Agreed

by Anonymous

sir ,absoultely even i felt view of you,infact we are at greater extreme of frustration in railway staff college,really our lifes hav become sick in railway staff college.we hav expressed our concern to ED(training),hope things would change,only hopes are alive.surely i will meet u sir,can i hav ur email id and contact number,am sorry if am offended you,hav a nice time...

Posted on Aug 16, 2008, 7:17 PM

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Re: Agreed

by Rakesh Tyagi

dear probationer,
no offence at all. u were talking about the numbers for helping.i am not going to comment on the character of IRPS fraternity.u r mature enough to judge that.however one glaring eg is just on this site only.if u r reading the messages posted on this forum them u must have read the recent post of one station master and my replies to that.the Station master attacks the very existence of this forum,make sarcastic remarks on the use of this forum by IRPS officers,make bad remarks on my name yet i restrained myself to the best till the last post of mine.in fact in my post i use the phrases "god bless u","hope this is the end of the matter" etc. however you see the counseling i am getting from my seniors but not a single voice came against the behavior of station master.even my suggestion to the webmaster for improving this site has been deleted as if there was some vulgarity it.Shall i still need to say more about the numbers of IRPS and their utility to a fellow IRPS?

Posted on Aug 17, 2008, 12:04 AM

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CPO posting

by rajendra agrawal

Sri Prabhash Kumar CPO/IR BSP is posted as Chairman RRB BSP and Dr Meshram CPO/RCF is posted as CPO in The SECR cadre

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 4:16 PM

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Kindly update...

1. Sl. No. 195, K.K. Thakur has taken over as SrDPO/Bhopal/WCR.
2. Sl. No. 193, Anurag Tripathi has taken over as Principal, Oakgrove School.
2. Sl. No. 153, Sandip Trivedi is DyCPO/Rectt/NCR/ALD.
Alok Sir,may kindly update.
Regds
Mahendra K Gupta

Posted on Aug 12, 2008, 6:09 PM

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Re: Kindly update...

by sakeer

Congratulations to all

Posted on Aug 12, 2008, 6:38 PM

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Where is Amar Nath Dube?

by Saharsh Bajpai

Where is Amar Nath Dube? Has he not joined in the WCR?

Posted on Aug 12, 2008, 7:29 PM

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Sr DPO/Banglore

by rajendra agrawal

hi Amar is Sr DPO bangalore

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 11:19 AM

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Thanks Mahendra. Updation carried out.

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 11:04 AM

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postings on SC.Rly

SL. No 258, E.Sukumaran promoted as DGM/LAW,GM/O/SC

Posted on Aug 12, 2008, 3:17 PM

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Thanks a lot Chalapathi. List updated.

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 11:09 AM

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Re: IRPS OFFICERS' LIST

Against my name at Sr.No.76, it is shown as RPF:WR, whereas it should be shown as OPT:WR. Kindly confirm to my email after correction.

Posted on Aug 11, 2008, 1:20 PM

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Correction carried out.

Posted on Aug 13, 2008, 11:10 AM

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Please help me in updation of ...

.. posting of following officers.
Whether orders have been carried out or not?

Shri Nagaych to ALD
Shri Ponnuswamy to ICF
Shri Thaware to WR
Shri N K Prasad to CR
Shri Swaminathan to SWR
Smt Sunita Vedantham to RRB/SC
Shri A Nasir to SR
MR.SESHASAYI TO SECR
MR. BIHANI TO DLW

Posted on Aug 9, 2008, 3:47 PM

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Re: Please help me in updation of ...

by Saharsh Bajpai

Most likely Mr. K.V.Nagayach will be relieved on 01 September 2008, and Mr. B.K. Bihani will join as CPO/DLW in the first week of September 2008.

Posted on Aug 9, 2008, 6:15 PM

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Re: Please help me in updation of ...

by rajendra agrawal

Sri N K Prasad has joined Central Railway and is on leave till 5th september,
Sri Sheshyashai has yet to join SECR

Posted on Aug 10, 2008, 11:32 AM

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changes

Shri Ponnusami and Swaminathan are yet to be releived from thir present posts as no substitutes are posted. Shri Nasir joined S Railway as CPO(IR) and Mrs. Sunitha Vedantam is on leave

Posted on Aug 10, 2008, 8:14 PM

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