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brittny

by val (no login)

newer brittny kissenger videos at her bands site:www.myspace.com/happybalkyandthegoodlivin

Posted on Apr 26, 2009, 11:54 AM
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Anyone Here Anymore?

by :) (no login)

For all those who cannot join the new website forum, can we still chat on this one?

Posted on Apr 20, 2009, 9:06 AM
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Play

by sks (no login)

Is there anywhere online that has all the words and lyrics for "Annie" the play when a group does it or is it the same as the national tour play?

Posted on Feb 16, 2009, 6:52 AM
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same

by Jessie (no login)

It's pretty much the same. Unless it's annie jr. Then most of the songs are cut in half, and half the songs are cut out. but in the full version of the show, it is the same.

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Child Singer

by sks (no login)

A few months ago it was posted about a child singer who was very talented but later died (suicide or anorexia). I believe she lived in England part of the time. Does anyone know her name?

Posted on Feb 13, 2009, 8:57 AM
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Lena Zavaroni

by old fan (no login)

You could do a search on this forum for the posts on this as well as google her of course. A very heartbreaking story.

Posted on Feb 13, 2009, 9:53 AM
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Prefer Old Forum

by tina (no login)

Julie,
I just want to add that I like the old forum so much better. I haven't been to the new one much because it isn't as user-friendly.
Just wanted you to know.
~Tina

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old forum vs. new forum discussion

by (Premier Login stephanie6819)
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I am sure I'll get all sorts of flack for saying this, but I think that people may be thinking the same thing I am thinking and I thought it might be beneficial to get a discussion going. Do we prefer this new forum format over the old one?, or do we like the old way better? It seems to me that the activity/posts per day has significantly decreased since we have switched over to this new format. I realize change always takes a while to adjust to, but its been a while now and I personally think that this new format has diminished the quality of the forum. I love the new website as a whole for the most part, but I just feel that the forum isnt as active anymore, and it is bumming me out. Does any one else agree? can we discuss the pros and cons of the new site v. the old site? Julie, I hope it doesn't bother you that I am opening this discussion, and I realize it is ultimately your decision as it is your site, but I just want a forum format that facilitates the most discussion. It would still totally be possible to go back to the old site, its still bookmarked on my computer and people can still post on it. Just thought it would be interesting to get others opinions.

Meghan

Cecile Greard

I think the main reason the activity has gone down a little is that now you need to register to be able to post and some people don't like registering on websites so fewer people on the forum = less activity. Also, when people want to address a message to just one person, they don't put it on the forum anymore but on the wall of the said person or they just send a message so that's also bit less activity on the forum.
Personally, I like it better the way it is now because registration means no more trolls and I love the presentation of seeing all the answers to one post on the same page, as well as the post coming up at the top of the list when somebody responds to it so that you know what's new on the forum at first sight.


Elizabeth

Hi Meghan! I liked the old forum better because I could easily see the new posts compared to what I have already read. I feel like I have to keep going back to each post to be sure I've read all the responses. Call me old-school, but I liked everything on one page and color-coded. I love everything else on the forum, and I didn't mind having to register. Thank you for being brave enough to ask. Julie is a great person and I'm sure she cares what the regulars think. In turn, the people who respect Julie will visit no matter how she decides to run the forum.
Have a great day everyone! happy.gif


old fan

I have also noticed the reduction in number of posts and replies. It might be because there are fewer posts held on one page than the previous forum, where people would answer older posts- now maybe posters don't bother checking p 2. I generally like the new site but I agree that the format of the discussion board is currently not as interesting or accessible as the old one. Maybe a combination of the two styles would work better. It's easy to sign in once you're registered; it just seems like there are fewer people posting for some reason. Cecile made a good point that you can reply to a video or a specific person etc so there is less traffic on the main board... Maybe there just aren't topics people are interested in discussing ? I also noticed that some old regulars do not seem to have signed up...this is a good topic to discuss ! Thanks for bringing it up, Meghan; I was thinking the same thing !


Meghan

I think that perhaps the registration thing may be a deterrent. Even though it is really easy to register, I am sure people don't realize that. I agree that it is good that registration keeps out the trolls, but i sometimes think it is good when random people submit comments because it offers other perspectives and sometimes other information that none of us regular posters know. I think it would be simple to go back to the old forum but still keep this new site. Just have a link to here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/82384/ on the site for the old forum and we could go back to using it. Julie, how do you feel about this discussion?


Kim Ryan

I'm glad you brought it up, Meghan. I've been thinking about this, too.

First, obviously, new things take some getting used to. Surely, posts will increase once more people get used to the new format.

Second, surely less people are posting because, as others have said, they're uncomfortable logging in before posting. Frankly, I like this much better because I was kind of tired of being subjected to reading things from 'anonymous' posters or posters that don't like to be held accountable to what they want to say. And, then there is far less (or perhaps even none) of the don't-worry-we-love-you-and-support-you posts that are no longer necessary because some 'anonymous' person chose to spew unnecessary or mean comments in the first place. Frankly, however, I can't believe it's taken this long for the lurkers to come up with a fake picture/name and begin posting garbage, again. Perhaps, they're concerned about what Julie may or may not be able to see with her administration tools.

I just think the new format is far more efficient and professional. It just takes getting used to. It's easy to follow whether or not something new has been written on a certain topic. Right next to the original topic, it says how many replies there have been, and from whom and when the last post was written. You don't even need to click on the thread to view. Just read the title of the thread, and look right next to it to see if there are any new replies since the last time you checked it.

Kim

Julie Stevens

I agree with everyone, unfortunately. I think the old forum is easier to read, however, it is difficult to keep away people who want to post anonymously. I really like seeing the member's pages on this site and knowing who is posting. Just so everyone is aware, there is a link to the old forum on the home page here (on the list on the left hand side of the page) that says "Old Forum."

The main reason for wanting to discontinue the old forum is that it is very expensive (unless I allow the ads to go back on and limit the bandwidth). This new site is also quite expensive and, as you know, it doesn't generate any income so it's all coming out of my pocket. Since I agree that the old forum is easier to read, I have postponed canceling it entirely until I could make up my mind. The customer service at Network 54 is non-existent, which means that there is no one to call, no one that answers emails, and no one to speak to about my options.

In the meantime, feel free to post on the old forum and I will look into reducing my costs and see what I can come up with.

Julie


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Old Forum vs. New Forum - Cont...

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Hi Everyone,

I personally feel better about having people register before posting. I do like the ability to see all of the discussions though, I admit that I haven't gotten used to the new way of posting (which doesn't mean that I "don't" like it) --- but on the same hand - The new forum feels more personal to me. I agree with most of what has been said on this discussion. The new forum hasn't resulted in my posting less, I don't think.... I've reduced it just because school started back up for me and I am crazy busy more than I was. I still read the posts but I don't seem to respond as much. But then again, perhaps it has been resulting in my posting less just because this forum seems to be easier to write a line or two on many posts quickly?? --- If you do decide to keep this page of posts, I personally wouldn't mind donating to the site. Does the PayPal feature work on the new site? (If you go back to the new one, that's cool too!)

:0) Suzanne

Posted on Feb 10, 2009, 1:28 PM
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New forum

by help please (no login)

how do i get to the new forum?

Posted on Jan 19, 2009, 7:05 AM
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see above, far right, in red?

by old fan (no login)

click www.annieorphans.com and you will get to the new forum and can sign up happy.gif

Posted on Jan 19, 2009, 9:36 AM
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Joanna & American Idol.. sort of OT

by old fan (no login)

Does anyone know what city Joanna auditioned in ? (assuming she did!) My interest in AI has definitely dwindled the past two years, but I would love to see her audition if it's shown...happy.gif

(I watched the two shows this week and was not too impressed !)

Posted on Jan 15, 2009, 10:31 AM
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Never mind, I found it on the new forum...

by old fan (no login)

Louisville, Kentucky. Thanks, Rachel. happy.gif

Posted on Jan 15, 2009, 1:20 PM
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Re: Never mind, I found it on the new forum...

by ILuvAnnie2 (no login)

Do you know when the Louisville auditions will be televised?

Posted on Jan 15, 2009, 5:28 PM
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Re: Never mind, I found it on the new forum...

by old fan (no login)

I will ask on the new forum...Rachel always seems well-informed on this stuff ! Did you sign up yet ? it's great !

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White tights and rainbow dresses -

by Suzanne (no login)

I just realized something - but was wondering if anyone else thinks this too ... when I have seen productions of Annie and the girls wear white tights with their rainbow dresses, it seems to make them look taller and older. I had them wear tights in my production because of "religious" reasons (I was in a very conservative area) - and just noticed that while looking through my photos. - I also saw white tights on another company's pics and thought the same thing.

Posted on Jan 14, 2009, 9:57 PM
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tights

by old fan (no login)

...I don't think they had tights in the 1930!! I think the white ankle socks are more authentic to the era.

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had to compromise

by Suzanne (no login)

I pretty much had no choice but to put the tights on the kids because of the extremely religious community I was in. It did bug me big time - but I wanted to keep the kids that I had, so I made that deal with the parents.

I have always wondered if other people experienced similar.



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If you don't mind my asking...

by old fan (no login)

...what type of religious community was it ? It was a great compromise, and I do agree socks are more little-girlish, and tights make kids look older. If I'm being too nosy, just ignore me !

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Answer to you post

by Suzanne (no login)

Hi OldFan,

I didn't want you to think that I ignored you, so I wanted to get back to you on this topic... however, I don't feel comfortable talking about the various religions that were involved, mainly because it's such a "hot topic of debate" - if that makes any sense. Also, I have given many of my old cast members this website, and wouldn't want them to feel like I'm negating them or putting them down in anyway.

I hope that makes sense happy.gif

Take care,
Suz

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I understand

by old fan (no login)

I was just interested because I have been reading about religious groups (such as the Amish, and the Quiverfuls- like the Duggar Family from TLC) and was interested, but I knew it might not want to be something to discuss on a forum. Thanks for the reply !

Posted on Jan 16, 2009, 5:38 AM
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Very Similar

by Suzanne (no login)

Old Fan - wow I didn't even think of the Duggar Family! That is a perfect example though. Very close perhaps. Although I'm not certain of their beliefs exactly, it is quite similar from what I've experienced. happy.gif



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Amanda Balon's sister Samantha...

by Emma (no login)

Did her older sister I believe named Samantha have a baby? I was looking through an album on their picture trail site and it said Sammie's new baby... Just curious.

Posted on Jan 14, 2009, 6:09 PM
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Re: Amanda Balon's sister Samantha...

by katherine (no login)

I haven't seen the album, but I'm sure that Amanda's sister didn't have a baby. She is only about 13 or 14.

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Re: Amanda Balon's sister Samantha...

by Emma (no login)

It's near the bottom like family pictures or something... but yes that's what I was thinking kind of a random question she's just posed a lot with the baby in a bunch of different pictures.

Posted on Jan 14, 2009, 7:19 PM
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A joke

by (Login Cecile-France)

How you didn't understand that caption was meant as a joke is beyond me...

Posted on Jan 18, 2009, 10:09 AM
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Re: A joke

by a fan (no login)

that was rude



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Strong Review LA Times

by Alice (no login)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/culturemonster/2009/01/review-annie-at.html

A quite welcome good review for the tour!

Posted on Jan 14, 2009, 4:56 PM
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Not that good a review

by Rau (no login)

this Annie is a little lacking in distinct personality,

Posted on Jan 15, 2009, 10:36 PM
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Re: Strong Review LA Times

by Alice (no login)

"... but its always solid and occasionally very charming"

Congrats on picking out the one negative phrase in the review to crow about. You and the other fine folks here on the forums must be so happy.

This will be my last post here and last time reading what has become a very negative place. Have fun bringing down the kids as much as you can.

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Re: Strong Review LA Times

by Meghan (no login)

I would just like to say that this forum is nothing but supportive of the kids in the show, and we have not been negative in any way. The poster who you responded to as picking the one negative phrase in the whole review is not a regular poster, in fact, i have never seen him post here ever. I think you misunderstood previous comments regarding the poor reviews from San Diego. We were saying that it was a shame for the girls to have received less than great reviews, we werent promoting them or agreeing with them. We area all supportive of the kids and would never attempt to insult a child for the fun of it.

I am sad to see that you feel that we are such a negative group and that we have fun bringing down kids because that is simply false.




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to Alice

by Nikki (no login)

Are you currently a cast member or an ophan mom? You seem to be overly defensive when anything even slightly negative is said about the tour. Its not that big of a deal...every actor will endure a bad review somewhere along the road...its not a big deal or the end of the world. Its an opinion.

Posted on Jan 16, 2009, 12:09 PM
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David Chernault's "Easy Vocal Warm Ups"

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I just had to comment on David's warm-up CD that he has produced. Pardon me for starting a new, positive thread here (David mentioned the CD below), but I feel it's quite worthy of its own section, here!

Molly and Lindsay have had the CD for a month. We easily downloaded it off of David's site. I just have to say - we've used a number of warm up CD's over the years, including Billy Purnell's and Roger Love's and ones their vocal coach's have made for them. And, while they're all very good, David's CD is even better, and for a number of reasons. The girls are eager to use David's CD over the others because the pace is far better, they say it's more fun yet still challenging, and it uses some of the techniques taught to them by the amazing Kelly Lambert (Assistant Musical Director) while on tour.

If any of you sing, or want to make an easy and small investment in something that will likely bring you or your child great vocal gains, buying this CD is a no-brainer. It's only $14.99!! The price AND the quality simply can't be beat. The price of our "affordable" voice coach is $100/hour. Many coaches here in LA are $150-250/hour. Imagine what you can get in this CD for a fraction of the cost of a private lesson. I'm not saying that this can replace what private lessons can do, but this will augment any person's pursuit of a greater voice for a relatively tiny cost, just like it has for Molly, Lindsay and Kaleigh.

The CD can be purchased at www.easyvocalwarmups.com , I believe! It's super easy to buy and download!!

Take care,
Kim Ryan



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discount code

by Julie Stevens (no login)

Yes, and if you enter the code ANNIEORPHANS, you will receive a special $3 discount!

Julie

Posted on Jan 14, 2009, 9:53 AM
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discount

by lisa (no login)

FYI: I used the code ANNIEORPHANS, and it was a $2 savings, not $3. No biggie, but just thought I would let you know!

Posted on Jun 28, 2009, 9:52 AM
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Talkin' Broadway San Diego Review

by Marie (no login)

Understudy Madison Kerth was on as Annie on opening night. Ms. Kerth hit all the right notes and made all the right moves, but her voice was all belt and no modulation and she seemed to have left her charm and charisma at home.

http://www.talkinbroadway.com/regional/sandiego/sd7.html

Posted on Jan 13, 2009, 8:24 PM
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See they should give Annie a rest

by Laura (no login)

See they should give Annie a rest

Posted on Jan 13, 2009, 9:51 PM
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Something DOES need a rest.

by Alice (no login)

Sure, the tour has gotten good reviews up until San Diego. Then a few bad reviews (including one from your sister-in-law!) and the tour should be halted.

Being fair, one might guess that after a large cast change, there might be some time needed for the cast to get back on their feet but let's pile on and not give them any slack at all.

I do agree that something should be given a rest, just maybe not the same thing you were thinking.


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Re: Something DOES need a rest.

by Anon (no login)

I disagree. SanDiego is a big city. They are about to go to one-nighters in smaller cities that haven't seen Annie in awhile and they will roll out the red carpet for them. They are just happy to have the opportunity to have a show arrive in their town.


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Don't forget to watch Sarah Hyland tonight!

by KellyTx (no login)

Sarah Hyland will be on Law and Order SVU tonight! She looks amazing!! Don't forget to watch!!!

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Sarah Hyland as Annie

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Sarah Hyland played Annie at the Paper Mill Playhouse in Millburn, New Jersey in a six-week run in October 30-December 8, 2002. She turned 12 during the run. Addison Timlin, who I believe played Annie in one of the tours at the beginning of this decade, was July in this production.

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I saw her

by Tony (no login)

I saw her as Annie and thought she was great. Not a typical Annie sound but her acting was first rate. The production was a bit different cause they changed some things but I thought it was actually better than the 20th production i saw on Broadway!

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Paper Mill Playhouse

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I grew up 5 miles from the Paper Mill Playhouse and saw many plays there, and the theater has a fine reputation of high quality productions. One of the first post-Broadway productions of Annie was at that theater in 1983, starring Tara Kennedy and other former Broadway/National Tour Annie performers. A flu epidemic went through the cast, enabling Jennine Babo to play Annie for the first and only time, after about 2,000 Orphan performances on Broadway.

In the '90s I used to go to the Paper Mill every year at Xmas to see Larissa Auble in The Nutcracker.

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WOW!

by (no login)

Is anyone else watching this? Sarah is incredible in this episode. I am blown away.

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Re: WOW!

by dianne (no login)

I saw the episode and she did an amazing job. Her portrayal was so believable!

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Re: WOW!

by katherine (no login)

Does anyone know if there is a link to watch the full episode that Sarah Hyland was on?

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Any You Tube of Madison

by Another Anon Anon (no login)

Does anyone have a youtube of Madison Kerth? I for one would love to see it. I have watched Marissa, Amanada, Grace & Tianna and then could decide for myself what I thought about them as Annie. And of course the you tubes of all the Annie before the non-equity tour. Isn't You Tube GREAT!

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Re: Any You Tube of Madison

by Jessie (no login)

Wait, you've seen videos of Grace? Do you by any chance know the link? I haven't seen any of her yet!

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Re: Any You Tube of Madison

by Meghan (no login)

Jess, theres some on the new annieorphans site. She is REALLY good.

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Re: Any You Tube of Madison

by Jessie (no login)

ok cool! thanks! = ]

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Re: Any You Tube of Madison

by Anon (no login)

How fun to have all the videos up on Annie Orphans! Thanxs Julie

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OMG! Have you seen this!

by anon (no login)

The substitution of Madison Kerth (replacing Tianna Stevens) as ANNIE, showed us a roly-poly, older-looking ANNIE (can you imagine a pregnant-looking Annie?), with a strident voice, that failed to deliver the expected delight of ANNIEs character. Partnering ANNIE as Daddy OLIVER WARBUCKS, as the spirit of hope in that depression era, and savior for Orphan ANNIE was David Barton.who is as close to perfect-casting as anyone else in the production. Clear-voiced and assertive, David Barton held his many scenes together, and scored well in NYC, SOMETHING WAS MISSING, and the plaintiff message to ANNIE in I DONT NEED ANYTING BUT YOU.


http://sdpix.com/?p=1558

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????????????

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...?

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by Meghan (no login)

What a horrible thing to say about a little girl! That reviewer should be ashamed! Calling a little girl fat?! O my goodness thismakes me so angry. I would like to say though, that Madison is a FANTASTIC Annie and it makes me so sad that the press is saying such negative things about her. Does anyone have an email address contact for her or or family? I would really like to send her an email telling her how great I thought she was. Hopefully she hasnt read any of these reviews but I would still like to le her know what an incredible job i thought she did in the role. Julie, I know you coached with her. If i wrote her an email could i send it to you and you could forward it?

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Annie Adults Read Only

by Laura (no login)

Though this was harsh I believe it to be honest. My sister in law was at that production and she agreed with all of the criticism except the part about Annie being fat and the sets. She thought the sets were lacking. Though it takes tremendous ability to get up there as a little girl to play any of the roles let's face it not all of the girls are equally talented. Not all Annies are talented. It's a business and time and funds permitting the produces pick anyone who can fit the cog. My sister in law told me her feelings a few days ago and I wasn't going to post anything not wanting to be a downer. But after this review I had to say something. I believe they should hold productions of Annie for awhile. It's too much they're ruining it's good name. It's becoming a parody of itself. She said she saw better Annies in Annie Jr at the school where she use to teach in. The orphans were very sloppy and amateurish. The fact that they're children shouldn't matter. She also said that during "New Deal" the girls were so distracted that she felt jipped. You overlook such things in an amateur production but not when you're paying big bucks. Kids are capable of much more than this production offers.

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Re: Annie Adults Read Only

by Meghan (no login)

While I do agree with you that not all Annies are created equal, and madison was not the number one best ever, I honestly did not beleive she was as bad as they are making her out to beleive. Vocally, I thought she was much better than Amanda. Actingwise, yes she has some room to grow, but i'm sure as she gets more comfertable in the role and with daddy warbucks etc that will improve. Of course you are entitled to you opinion, but i'm just feeling like some of the critisism she is getting is unwarranted. No she is not perfect or the best annie ever, but i wouldnt compare her to wouldnt compare it to a school play. I also disagree with you about the orphans. While everyone of them didnt stand out as some previous groups of orphans have, they were still great and not amateurish.

As far as putting professional productions on hold for a while.....
YES PLEASE
Honestly, this tour has gone on for far too long. It astounds me that people are still willing to pay so much money to see a show that they could see just as good a production of at their local comunnity theater. Also, with this tour continuing, it restricts the rights for schools and local theaters from doing the show. The childrens theater at wich i have grown up performing has been trying to include it in its season for the past four years and keep getting denied because the tour is still out. Back when they tried to do it the first time i was still young enough to play annie, but not any more. : (
enough already.

To the person who is forseeing amanda becoming full time Annie again....
I'm seeing that too. it wouldnt surprise me at all.

Anyways, I just wanted to let people know that I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN Madison perform and she really is not terrible like she is being made out to be.


Laura: I just wanted to say that I completely respect your opinion and i really hope you dont take anything in this post as directly targeted at you, because i only mean for it to further the discussion, not to insult you in anyway. (particularly the part about me having actually seen the show, i dont mean that as "you havent even seen the show so dont be talking". I just dont want people to driven away from seeing the show.



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Thank you

by Laura (no login)

Thank you for your civil response. I too am not criticizing Madison. I think my main point is that they should give the tour a rest because whether we love Annie or not is giving people a less than proper impression. And it's no one's fault, not the little girls. They're not getting the rehearsal they may need because of budget etc. I just think they should remember "absence makes the heart grow fonder"

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by melinda (no login)

I saw the show at the kodak in LA and sadly, it's true. Everyone is the audience was saying/thinking the same thing. She was wrongly cast in this part which isn't fair to her or to the folks who shelled out $65 a ticket to see the show. She didn't look the part, could not sing dance or act. She was awful. Sorry, but the truth is the truth.

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by Natalie (no login)

That's absolutely horrible! I'm shocked that anyone would make comments like that! The article also says:

The seven (6+Annie) little orphans, always counted-on to be the joy of the story, here, were sloppy in their production numbersin need of additional rehearsals (and some younger casting). The one exception, being the littlest munchkina 9-year old Sydney Richardson (as DUFFY) who is a delight to watch!

What a terrible review! And Duffy isn't even the youngest! Is this site even credible?

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by Jessie (no login)

Just in case you were wondering, Sydney as Duffy looked barely an inch taller thatn Mackenzie as Molly, Sydney did the "Molly dancing" in Smile, so I think that is where the reviewer is getting that from. Sydney was fantastic as Duffy. And absolutely adorable in Smile when she tapped.

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by NYCMom (no login)

Very unfortunate for a kid to have to read something like that. I do have to agree, though with his overall comments about the tour in this past year. BUT, remember, ANY negative comment made about a child especially is hurtful, even though some comments may seem worse than others, like the one in this review. I know many say you open yourself up to both the good and bad as a performer, but people should really think before making such specific remarks.

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re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by another anon (no login)

I have to say that I have the strangest feeling that before long, it will be Amanda back in the title role PERMANENTLY.

No, I have NOT seen the show.

AND NO, I REALLY don't mean ANYTHING bad about Madison! From what clips I have heard of her, I bet that she is a darn good Annie.

What I DO mean is this......

It just seems like a little bit too much of a conspiracy that all of a sudden Tianna is out and Amanda is BACK as Kate/Annie... Seems like a plot to me.



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by Another anon anon (no login)

AGREE....I keep wondering why you would return to play Kate? Why not go to the hot list or ask one of the other orphans from last year. There are quite a few girls that could play Kate, no problem. Why Amanda?

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Try not to freak out

by Julie Stevens (no login)

Yes, this was a mean-spirited review but let's hope that Madison's parents and fellow cast members keep such negativity away from her. There is no reason for the kids to read the reviews - it has nothing to do with the job they are hired to do. There will always be theatre critics that give negative reviews and it's part of the package of being a performer. You have to have thick skin and be able to get out there every night, regardless of what some people think of your performance. That's what being a professional is all about.

As for Amanda, I believe she is only joining the tour until they can find a Kate replacement. She may have been the only orphan from last year that was still small enough and could also cover the role of Annie, if Madison got sick. I do hope NETworks gives Madison some time to grow in the role.

Julie

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wow...

by Suzanne (no login)

Wow. I am floored at the cruel words about this little girl. She is absolutely darling, and if you want to talk "character" - Annie is one of those kids that was a survivor - there's no reason she has to be a waif child.

I hope the adults keep Madison away from the negativity. I can relate, because in my Annie years, I was told "They will never pick a fat, ugly Annie" (for the original movie, I posted the pics... I don't think I was either back then), but I grew up to be quite overweight, and it is all in part because of my self-esteem. I allowed the hurtful words from my dad to haunt me all the way into the audition, and into adulthood. I didn't know any better. I had made it all that way for the film, and cut myself when I told Garrison that I was afraid that I made an ugly and fat Annie. sigh the memories of this still get to me...weird huh?

Anyhow, I won't go on about this, it's a bit too close to home for me. I just hope that anyone who knows and loves Madison will give her all the support and tools to deal with this business (good and bad), the best that can be. I agree that she has to be strong and thick skinned...but goodness, sometimes things just get pushed a bit over the edge. I really feel for her. I can't wait to see her in Oregon.

Suzanne

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Thick Skin

by CindyS (no login)

I totally agree with your post, Julie. Thank you for it. Theater is so very hard on the soul and the psych when things aren't all rosy and wonderful. And, not only with professional companies. With anything related to theater.

My daughter will be auditioning for college musical theater programs in the next few weeks and was told by her mentor and theater department chair in her performing arts high school that "you won't make it because you're not pretty enough". And, just two weeks before her first audition!!!! I was angry beyond angry at that comment but my daughter's reaction was one of "I'll show her.....if not right now, then in the future because I'm gonna someday make my living on a stage!". That's a thick skin for you.

As far as Madison vs. Amanda.......none of us on this forum really know what happened with Networks changing their casting,so I wish everybody would stop speculating and just let it go. There have been Annies and Annies and Annies....and in many, many countries. Let this little Madison have her time in the spotlight, for whatever reason she was cast. She's making memories of a lifetime and we, on this forum in particular, should give her our utmost love and support.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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Re: Thick Skin

by Cookie (no login)

You need to be thick skinned to be in this busisness, i was 6 when my ballet teacher told me that i was to fat to become a ballerina

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bumps along the way

by Julie Stevens (no login)

I went to public school my whole childhood and when I was in 5th grade, my school was a part of a new music program. They gave every student an opportunity to study a classical instrument. I chose the violin and after a few private lessons with the visiting teacher, she told me I had no talent and should not play the violin.

When I was in High School, I took a music theory class and was the only vocalist in the class - the rest of the students were in the band/orchestra and played instruments (which I did not). My teacher told me he didn't want me in the class (he knew about my show biz career) and promised to make it difficult for me if I stayed. I really wanted to learn how to read music, so I stayed and he flunked me - gave me my first D ever in my entire school career. When my mother complained to the school, they told her that there was nothing they could do because the teacher was tenured.

When I was in my Freshman year at NYU Tisch School of the Arts, two of my acting teachers told me in my first semester that everything I learned up until that point was all wrong. They told me that my musical theatre background made me a bad actress and that they would have to re-teach me how to act. Nice, huh? Talk about being bitter and cruel.

When I first moved to LA, I attended a workshop with an agent who represented theatre actors. He mentioned in his Q&A portion of the workshop that he was only interested in taking on people with Broadway credits and not to be afraid to approach him during the break. So I went up to him, introduced myself, and asked if he would accept my headshot and consider meeting with me. He repeated that he was only interested in people with Broadway credits so I excitedly told him that I had a Broadway credit. He looked at my resume, saw "Annie" listed, and said to me in a condescending manner, "Yeah, but that was when you were a kid." As if the credit meant nothing or that I grew up to be an untalented performer. He completely blew me off and made me feel foolish.

These are just a few of the bumps along the way. Show biz is tough, people, and you have to really believe in yourself to stick with it and endure the constant rejection and challenges.

Julie



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Its true

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I always find it interesting how some people will tell you how talented you are and others will say you have no chance in hell of making it. Among the things I have been told: "You have zero stage presense, why did they choose you for this role?"-a choreographer told me this when I was eleven. "You can sing fantastically, to bad you can't act at all or you'd be _________ (the lead role)" -a director. "It's okay, you'll just never be a really good dancer" -my mom. Fortunately I am praised just as often and I dont really care what people say about me.

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Been there...heard that!

by Noel (no login)

When I told my Father that I was going to pursue a degree in Voice he said to me, "When are you going to stop embarrassing yourself acting like you can sing, you are no good and will never be able to sing so give it up."

Then later when I received a "Carpenters" Scholarship for Voice I introduced my Father to Richard Carpenter. After talking to Richard my Father said to me later, "Well I guess you can sing because Richard says you can and are in fact very good, and well...I trust his opinion!"

I never really cared what my Father thought but it was nice to hear him admit that perhaps he was wrong and that I could indeed sing!



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Know your reviewer & Shameless plug

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Thought I'd share some personal insight on reviews and Annie. After opening in Seattle to some pretty good reviews we made our trip to San Fransisco. We had what all of us thought was a very good opening night even though the theater was half full. The reviews that came out afterward tore the show apart. Every one! Two weeks after, we opened in LA. We were the hottest ticket in town! Great press, stars coming back stage each night, great parties. Yes this was the same show, just a different crowd.

Some time later, John took some time off while we played East Lansing. I got to play Warbucks for the entire week. I was looking forward to now only playing the role, but hopefully getting some good reviews for my scrapbook and web site. Well East Lansing only had one paper and one reviewer. In his review he didn't even mention me, he mentioned John. He said something like 'while the understudies for John Schuck and Mackenzie Phillips (who had left the show 2 weeks earlier) did an admiral job, blah, blah blah, star power'. I was ticked. That afternoon before the show I went to a restaurant next to the hotel for a pre-show meal. The bartender asked "weren't you in the Annie I just saw?". I said "yes, did you enjoy the show?" He said "I did. I wrote the a review, did you see it?" The Bartender handed me the paper with the fore mentioned review. I smiled and told him I hadn't read it and proceeded to read it once more. Shortly thereafter he brought me my soup. I said "thank you" and began eating. I left the restaurant with his 15% tip and didn't mention his review to him. After all, he didn't mention me. The point is, I put to much stock into what a reviewer might think of my performance. A reviewer may hate the show, be attached to an actor he saw once and no one could measure up, seen countless productions (always a problem with Annie), just broke up with his/her partner, or is a hopeful bartender taking a journalism class. A couple of bad reviews is not the end of the world. I've seen great actors get them and bad actors get great ones.
BTW, please go to easyvocalwarmups.com and order the vocal warm-up CD. Yes, I know it's a shameless plug but I've seen some wonderful results with young singers using it. If you enter the discount code ANNIEORPHANS you get a $2.00 discount.
Thanks, David

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I agree with everything you said, David, but.....

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just to set the record straight about San Francisco:

"The orphans are as adorable as ever in this production, with tiny, self-assured Lindsay Ryan a knockout of precocious musical comedy song, dance and mimetic skills."

-The San Francisco Chronicle, Sept 5, 2005



"The orphans Lindsay Ryan (the most adorable of all as Molly), Brittany Portman, Molly Ryan, Taylor Bright, Casey Whyland and Stevani Alise Weaver pull their comic and musical weight and do wonders with Liza Gennaro's choreography (based on her father, Peter Gennaro's, original musical staging)."

- The Oakland Tribune, September 3, 2005

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.....sorry, I couldn't help myself! These kids (with the help of their parents helping to haul them all across this country) earned each and every one of these positive reviews! But, again, I do COMPLETELY agree with everything else you said!!
-Kim

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by mamalu (no login)

Often, when one member of a a child ensemble cast is sick, they are all sick. It is probable that most of the girls were also ill, creating a less energetic performance, and less quality vocals than their usual high quality. It is very difficult to perform sick for a child actor, when they should be home in bed. This is another consequence of this tough business on young actors and their families. When you are under contract, the show must go on.It can be very stressful for all.
But this is one reason that child ensemble shows receive less than gracious reviews after being favorably reviewed elsewhere on the tour. We forget that children are human and deserve time to rest and get well.

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by fan mom (no login)

The problem is that illness comes with the territory, especially on a non-union tour crammed with one or two night stops. That's something that the parents really need to think about before agreeing to or even auditioning for a tour like this. And it's just a fact that some people will like a show and actors and others will not. Making excuses for the bad show reviews won't change them, so just let it go. I happen to love Annie, but think that the producers seem to be milking this tour. Kids or not, you are right, the show must go on. I also agree with the poster that said regional theaters will have an easier time getting rights to Annie once it stops touring. I'm more satisfied with a professionally done regional production than a tired tour and I'm sure others would be too.

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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by Alice (no login)

And of course we should ignore the good reviews, since only bad reviews are correct, right?

Calling the tour "tired" certainly doesn't do justice to energetic young cast, currently getting standing ovations at most shows. And quite good reviews at many of their stops.

It's not about excuses but more about knowing what the heck you are talking about.




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Re: OMG! Have you seen this!

by anon (no login)

Okay, here's the thing. This thread has gone a bit out of control. I agree with much of what the other poster wrote and correct me if I read the wrong post, but it wasn't said that only bad reviews are right. If you read it, it simply said some people will like shows and some people won't. That is the truth. The fact is there really is no right or wrong and everybody is entitled to their opinion whether anybody else likes it or not. You must be connected with the current tour or reviews and people's comments in general wouldn't be a sensitive issue. And that's fine. BUt as far as knowing what they're talking about, well I can say that if you add up all the people on this forum, Annie has probably been seen/performed in/directed, etc. hundreds of times if not more. It will almost always get a standing ovation, it's Annie. That still doesn't mean everybody loved it or it was the best show they ever saw. So what. If they love touring, then it shouldn't change the experience for your kids whether critics love the show or hate it.

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Standing Ovations

by Natalie (no login)

I agree with your last statement. A standing ovation means nothing. I don't think I've ever been to a Broadway show that didn't end in a standing ovation. We get standing ovations at the end of every one of my school shows. I don't know if this is a growing trend or if it's always been this way, but it doesn't always mean that the audience thought the show was spectacular. It's more of a courtesy thing in my experiences.

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Standing O's

by Suzanne (no login)

I would have to disagree with the statement that said "standing ovation means nothing" and that it always happens. I've been to many a Broaedway show that has not received them, as well as many national tours that I felt deserved them that only a small handful of people stood for... the same goes for high school productions. I believe that the stading o's are earned - and the more the audience likes the show, they reward the performers. That is just my humble opinion. happy.gif

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Re: Standing O's

by Natalie (no login)

I don't know...maybe it's just my recent experiences. Or maybe I've just been picking the right Broadway shows! :D At my school at least, pretty much every show gets a standing ovation. We're a really small technical high school. Our talent is good, but not at the level of bigger more performing based schools. I think in that case it's more of a respect thing. But then, like I said, that's just in my experiences.

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Standing O's

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From what I remember over the years seeing dozens of Annie shows, I think every one I ever saw got a standing ovation, including lots of community theater productions, no matter how good or bad they were. All that was needed was a bunch of cheering Orphan mothers to get an audience to its feet.

The only show I can remember that didn't get a standing O was the first preview of "Annie 2: Miss Hannigan's Revenge" in Washington in December 1989, which Tricia Trozzi and I covered for our "Annie People" newsletter. However, we HAD to stand up at the conclusion of the three and a half hour show in the second or third row because the two people sitting next to us did so. They were Annie's mom and dad, so naturally we had to follow suit. There we were, four people in an audience of 2,000, standing up all by ourselves with everyone looking at us.

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Re: Standing O's

by ILuvAnnie2 (no login)

I second that. I've never been to an Annie production that did not get a standing ovation, and believe me they're not all deserving!

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new forum instructions

by Julie Stevens (no login)

For those of you who are confused by the new forum, here are some instructions.

The best way to see all of the discussions is to click on the word "Forum" in the top toolbar
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This will take you to a page where you can see all of the topics and click on a topic of your choice. You can select "Add a Discussion" to start a new topic.
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Another easy way to get to the discussions is from the main page at annieorphans.com. Scroll down until you see FORUM. You can also click on "Start A Discussion" to chat about a new topic.
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You should post your new discussion in the section titled "New Discussions." The "Announcement" section os just for me to post messages to the entire group.
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Hope that is helpful

Julie



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You rock, Julie! (nmi)

by Suzanne (no login)

You rock, Julie!

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New website - everyone please read

by Julie Stevens (no login)

Hey everyone. I am in the process of figuring out how to redirect the domain name, annieorphans.com, to the new site. If I did it correctly, it should work by tomorrow. I just wanted to let everyone know a few things about the new site:

1. You won't have to do anything to read or visit the site. However, if you want to post on the forum or participate in any way, you will have to become a member, which is free and easy. It means you will also be a member of Ning.com, which is a HUGE social network. For those of you who have visited and registered on the NETworks "Annie" page, you are already a member and can use the same login information.

2. I have been working for several months to transfer everything from the old site to the new site, as well as adding much more fun stuff. However, the only part of the site that is incomplete is the individual cast member's pages. With over 200 pages to fill, this will take time, so please be patient.

3. When you sign up, please fill out your REAL name. This information is kept totally private and will only be seen by me. It does not show up anywhere, unless you choose your real name as your screen name. It is part of the registration process. You are free to choose a silly screen name, as long as you provide me with your real name. I will have to approve all members, so just know that ahead of time before you fill in Daddy Warbucks as your name.

4. This forum will stay active for a little while, until we all get used to the new site. If you want to bookmark this page, it will help you find it once the link is broken. I have also included the link in a forum post on the new site. I hope that you will start moving your posts to the new site so we can all chat there. There is also a live chat function on the page, in case we want to do that again - some of you may remember our fun meetings in the chat room.

5. Once you become a member, you will also have your own personal page where you can upload photos, music and videos. This will be fun for everyone because you will be able to share your own stuff with each other. The site makes it really easy to grab videos from You Tube and put them on your page.

Thanks for reading and I look forward to hearing what you think of the new site, as soon as I can get it all working.

Julie

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Awesome!

by Suzanne (no login)

Awesome, Julie!!! Congrats!! So...tomorrow night is "opening night" and we can have a big ole party at the new site!! I'll bring the wine...

...and cheese...

wink.gif I couldn't resist!

Suzanne

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To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Claire (no login)

Ok, this question may seem weird, but was there ever a time when you were like, in the middle of a performance, and you had to pee really, REALLY badly? Or do they always make the performers (or at least the children) go to the bathroom before every performance to ensure that there are no accidents?

I'm just here laughing at the idea of some little girl playing Annie wetting her dress on stage XD

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Re: To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Natalie (no login)

I'm by no means a professional performer, but one time I was in a school dress rehearsal and I just drank a really big soda. We weren't allowed to leave backstage with our costumes on. It was soooo uncomfortable! It wasn't too easy to dance either! I can only imagine someone having to go that bad during a long, professional performance.

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Re: To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Katherine (no login)

There was a story a while ago on this forum about one of the Broadway orphans going to the bathroom on stage or something like that. I don't remember any of the facts (if there even were any) so I don't want to get it wrong. But if anyone remembers, what a funny situation.

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Re: To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Alison (no login)

Well, this happened to Jodi Ford in one of the original broadway casts. Here's what happened: the orphan were in the freeze of "You're Never Fully Dressed Without A Smile" and the other girls heard her say "I have to pee, I have to pee." The others were like "go, run offstage. Go pee." But she didn't do it, when the lights came up, there was this big puddle of pee spreading across the front of the stage. And the others were trying to dance a round the pee on the stage while the puddle was there during the song.

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Re: To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Meghan (no login)

Thats a pretty funny question to ask, but I actually have a story to go with it.

When I did Annie Warbucks a few years ago (playing Pepper) during the last scene of the show all of a sudden the orphan who was standing next to me (she was playing Peaches, an orphan who is only in Annie Warbucks) suddenly ran of stage in the middle of the scene. I looked over and saw a puddle on the floor where she had been standing. She peed on stage! No one else in the whole cast noticed but me, and i didnt say anything, but i am sure she was so embarassed.

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Re: To anybody on here who has ever performed on stage

by Claire (no login)

Oh my god that is so funny! Thanks for sharing!

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sound of music

by jessie (no login)

Well, I don't have a story from Annie (yet) but I do have a story from when I was in the Sound of Music. I was Liesl and throughout the run I was in charge of keeping track of our Gretl and making sure she was ready and everything. We were doing a dress rehearsal and I remember asking her if she had to go to the bathroom before we started the second act after our "intermission break" and she said she was fine, so I didn't take her. Then I remmeber right before we were supposed to go on, she told me she had to go. I told her to try to hold it til we had a break in betweeen scenes and she did for a while, but then I remember waiting with her in the wings to go on for a scene, and then I turned around to bring her on stage with me and she wasn't there! haha She had run off to go to the bathroom without telling anyone. We had to play the scene without a Gretl! haha I can't remember exactly what scene it was.. but I'm pretty sure it was when Max was naming us off for the festival in the program and he was supposed to talk to her... and she had a good number of lines there... haha it was some interesting improve. And then she randomly ran on stage.. haha That was an interesting dress rehearsal!

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Re: sound of music

by Claire (no login)

jessie, that story is so cute!

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Re: Sound of Music

by Alison (no login)

That is pretty funny!!!

Posted on Jun 29, 2009, 6:11 PM
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Interesting videos

by (Login Cecile-France)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR_OsmjT1PE

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZRJtqI2YI8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUSnSeP1mU

Posted on Jan 12, 2009, 2:00 PM
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