Keep Virginia in your prayers for this Thursday. That's the day that the courts will be deciding if we'll get the injunction against the newly passed ban on kids going to nude summer camps without their parents present.
The new law became effective July 1, and prohibits any camp or facility from having any kind of camp where the kids will be nude, without having their parent, grandparent, or legal guardian present.
White Tail is hosting the AANR-East Youth Leadership Camp from July 23-31. We need this injunction, or turn-out will be fairly small. Not many of the parents can affort to be there all week with their kids.
The kids that are regulars at White Tail are fantastic, and I'd hate to see any of those from out of the area not be able to attend because of this rediculous law.
We're trying to keep from trying this case in the media, so you may not see much about it. I'll be sure to let y'all know how it goes. With the judge sitting on this one, it looks pretty good, so keep your fingers crossed (and anything else you can manage ).
I wonder, how hard would it be to make
the camp director your kids legal guardian
for these special circumstances ?
Something like a temporary limited power
or attorney. I once drew up a limited power
of attorney for someone which stated that as
their power of attorney I could only do certain
things for them.
It was easy I just wrote it out and had them
sign it in front of a notary.
Yea, I already read about it on the kypost.com website.
Too bad. The Judge is showing his ignorance. My guess
is you will win on appeal. Don't give up.
You might ask the boy scouts and other campers if
they would consider filing a "friend of the Court"
brief on your behalf.
After all, If they can force nudist parents to attend
camp they could sooner or later pass a law to force all
parents to attend camp.
Someone should ask the Judge if he can
put off trials and other court business
to take his kids to camp.
Does he understand that it is the camp
owners and not the parents who determine
when the camps are open ?
What he has done is slander every naturist
on the planet. Does he realize that there
is a lower incidence of child abuse among
kids raised in a natural environment ?
The only cases of child abuse in camps
I ever read in the news, take place in
clothed camps, like the boy and girls
scouts camps.
Your so-called Judge does not know his
*@# from a &*? in the you-know-what.
I guess that the next time another group permits children to go to a summer camp, they too will be suspected of attracting pedophiles and child pornographers. Then the parents of those Methodist children, or Geeen Party children will be required to attend the camp.
What this really does, IMHO, is end the practice of sending children to camps during the summer. How does a single parent supervise his/her children if they must work to get the money to send them to camp?
I think there's a faulty assumption operating throughout this thread that the court decision will now be carried to its logical conclusion.
The legislature, and now the court, reached an illogical conclusion that is in no manner supported by the facts. But this doesn't mean that the illogical decisions will now be extended logically.
It's rare for a child to be molested at a church camp or a Boy Scout camp, but it happens in those places a lot more than in a nudist setting. But that doesn't mean that law enforcement will now start looking where the problems actually exist. What I expect instead is that any camp for nudist children that is held will be visited by law enforcement checking to make sure the parents are present.
AANR is getting support from ACLU (see note). And I think they are getting their help for FREE!
There are other groups who are about to get with AANR to help them get this kicked out. It is obviously a bad situation for all out there, but I found out that AANR has high respect out there.
I feel that this will be resolved within a couple of years if not in time for next years camp.
Your support for AANR is appreciated, even if you don't always agree with AANR, they are out there to fight for you.
Joining AANR will give you more clout and information and updates on what is going on. It will also get you into resorts quicker with discounts. You can also vote on issues as well.
Look into TNS as well, but I am not sure what they do in these cases.
We need them both, and our freedoms have been expanded years ago, long before we accepted naturism, by AANR.
Note: I do not necessarilly agree with ACLU on their ideas, but the fact that AANR is getting help from them, is important. Please do not allow this association destroy our understanding of naturism or this site. I am NOT a member of ACLU or support it. I am not interested in most of their issues. The fact remains that AANR is fighting for us and ACLU decided to jump in the ring with them.
Boyd Allen
Member of AANR
This message has been edited by boydallen on Jul 17, 2004 10:13 AM
I don't think much of the ACLU either, for a number of reasons. I find it both unfortunate and ironic that they seem to be our best bet to have this new law repealed or at least ammended. I don't normally consider them the lesser of any two evils, but maybe in this case. "The enemy of my ememy is my ally" kind of thing. Even God used the bad guys to whip the Israelites sometimes.
But even if the law is eventually repealed as unconstitutional or just plain stupid(my opinion), the sad fact remains that at least for this year our camp is damaged, as is our image in the media.
Many people will no doubt grab onto that pedophile statement, and whenever they hear anything about naturism that will be the first thing that jumps into their minds.
Also, in our local paper, the first line of the article states that White Tail will not be allowed to hold their camp "in defiance" of the new law. We were not trying to be defiant. That was the whole point of the attempted injunction: to remain within the law and still be able to have the camp with full participation. The politicians and media expected us to just hold the camp anyway and fight in court after we were "caught". But by going through legal channels we caught them blind-sided. So what do they do? Try to make us look bad, if even through a seemingly innocent line in a small article. Now everybody will think WE were the bad guys in this whole thing, trying to flout the law, when we're the ones following sensible courses of action.
Actually, I'd think it would be the Catholics who would lose their summer camps. With all the hoop-la in the media about sexual abuse within the Catholic church, including a recent case about a nun who abused kids, I'd think the laws would have to target them next. If you think about it, there have been FAR more reported cases of abuse within the Catholic church (including camps and schools) than the ZERO reported within the nude camps. It doesn't take much thought to figure out which group the government should keep more of an eye on. I'm not against Catholics, I'm just looking at statistics for a moment and thinking about what our government should be doing.
Sorry about that. They were so sure it went through. We were given the update at the AANR-East meeting and they said it may certainly go through.
Sorry to hear that. But it aint over yet.
AANR has more support than ever now and the character who started it all is gradually being ignored by the others and treated as an idiot. I'm sure that by next year, it will be taken out!
But what most people don't realize is that Jack Reid isn't the one who really started all this garbage (although it is true that many people do think of him as an idiot. Good sources say he never has had one original thought).
My "sources" tell me this is all Attorney General Jerry Kilgore's baby. The "man" BEHIND the idiot, uh... man.
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