I also found it ironic that the Church family, which should be the best place to find help on any subject, fails so miserably on the subject of sex and sexuality? Especially when a they comes forth and ask members of the family to help him and not judge them.

We've got the owners' manual, but too many people are to embarrassed to discuss some things in public and give guidance on how to strengthen there walk as single person and celebrate living person.
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To make sure everyone is on the same page and defining celibate life.

cel·i·bate (sµl“…-b¹t) n. 1. One who abstains from all forms sexual acts, especially by reason of religious vows. 2. One who is unmarried. --cel·i·bate adj. 1. Abstaining from sex for reason of religious vows and moral standards. 2. Unmarried; unwed. [Latin caelib³tus, From caelebs, caelib-, unmarried.]
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USAGE NOTE: Historically, celibate means only “unmarried”; its use to mean “abstaining from sexual intercourse” is a 20th-century development. But the new sense of the word appears more or less to have displaced the old, and the use of celibate to mean “unmarried” is now almost sure to invite misinterpretation in other than narrowly ecclesiastical contexts. Sixty-eight percent of the Usage Panel rejected the older use in the sentence He remained celibate [unmarried], eventhough he doesn't engaged in sexual acts.

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Then there are the ones who don't want anyone telling them or their kids how to be or how to act, especially sexually.

I totally agree that is the case. However there are those who are afraid to come out to there peers cause they are terrified they are going to be stone or worst cause there are Christian and their attraction done follow man & woman model. However they love their GOD more that life itself and add being a nudist too the mix they feel that is more than their brothers and sisters can or will accept.

The church should be the best place to find out God's will on these things, but it honest isn't sometimes the heart of body & mind of the saints are fix somewhere else.

That is shame we have this flowing around in the body.

It is true, that we have this phobia in the U.S. (or "Western cultures" in general) about sexuality and the body.

I was looking at your definition of celebacy, and maybe the reason it changed from "unmarried" to "avoidance of sex" is because it is well known that if you are unmarried, you are also avoiding sex. And the reason you are unmarried is because you want to also avoid sex or feel the need for a sexual relationship. Therefore, the conclusion is that being celebate is to avoid sex.

We do not want to be shy about teaching our children about sex. We need them to know and have some understanding so they will not get into trouble when they are teens. Teens get in trouble because they were not taught properly, or not taught at all. Avoidance of sex and avoidance of understanding it is two different things. You have to understand it before you know what to avoid or why you are avoiding it.

The "Church" has done a lot of harm when making sex out like the villan rather than the misuse of sex. Sex is a wonderful gift God gave to mankind. Even animals have been given this gift. Satan cannot reproduce, create or duplicate himself except by taking over the minds of others. And that is only temporary since man is designed by the Creator to die. So Satan cannot keep his "kingdom" going. Only Jesus Christ can have an eternal Kingdom that not only keeps on going and going and going, but grows exponentially through sex.

Awesome isn't it?

But God prefers that we are married. When you have sex with someone (assuming, of course, the "opposite" sex), you are now one.

Pauls idea of celebacy is due to the fact that some people are not cut out for marriage and are just as happy being single. But he didn't make that an excuse to go and have sex with any one he wants to because he isn't "tied down". He is "tied down": To Christ. He feels his relationship to Jesus is far better and more advantageous to the ministry he was called to. So he happily and successfuly led a celebate life for Christ. He didn't feel he lost anything, but gained much more.

But not everyone is cut out for the celebate life, so being married is needed to keep him (or her) from sinning (meaning sexual sins outside the marriage). They are also the type that needs a physical relationship with someone to feel whole. I am the type who has to be married. My first wife left me, and it wasn't long after before I went on a search for another. But I asked God to find her for me. And he did.

Churches need to understand the difference. And teach it properly, without shame or embarrassment.

Boyd Allen

Hey Boyd,
You explained things very well. Appropriate sex education that teaches God's true design for it would free up a lot of believers from their phobias.

To be simple and straight forward, the Lord does NOT look at people's sexuality or orientation when judging them, but looks atr their hearts and motivations. Heterosexuals are not angels, and the celibate are not angels, and could be great sinners because of the atitudes of their hearts.

The worldly church teaches self righteousness sexuality and
no sex before worldly marriage sexuality, but such is not what the Lord taught, but people have to find that out from there own.

SEE http://forums.delphiforums.com/n/main.asp?webtag=libchrist&nav=message for open honest scripturial discussions or the website for answers ... http://libchrist.com

This will get me kicked off, but you all brought up the subject and the Lord expects honest answers, not church anti-sex doctrine.

Love in Jesus

David

David,

From your prior posts I wondered if/when you would get around to pushing the Liberated Christians site. From what I have read in Scriptures and on their site, there are too many opposing views... I side with the Bible.

From what I have seen of your posts, you may want to check out http://xxxchurch.com

Agreed, born nude, the vast majpority of churches say they believe the bible and Jesus, but live in self righteous that helps no one and totally violates the truth of how Jesus lived and what He taught. The churches will never ever accept nudity and honesty, NEVER, Right ?

Oh Yea, we have already established that the churches won;t accept nudity because they are weak. But then again if you say nudity is not important and just a mere recreation as many here have, then you can side with the worldly churches and their worldly view of sex and sexuality.

But most likely, you won;t be able to discuss this. Here's hoping or trying..

In His Love and Service

David