Our fearless leader has posted on http://www.truechristians.net/ in the fears section of the forum about being afraid of what others MIGHT think. I thought it was well written (or in this case typed) I couldn't refrain from adding my 1/4cent to it as well.
I'll have to admit, I was sent an email (group email, not personal) stating that those who have not been posting to this site will have to be removed as a member because they have so many members, it's crowding their data base and very few are actually using the forum.
I thought, Hey, they are right, I haven't been posting there! So I went there and found that very little has been posted on the naturist part of it, and got busy and hope to avoid the chopping block.
Boyd Allen "May the Lord protect our nudity from the sight of those who will not benefit, and may he allow us to be seen by those who will."
Tried to find naturism stuff on one religious site
April 15 2006, 9:34 AM
I went into a church of Christ web site for a while and tried to find/start some talk on naturism. No go. It doesn't fit with the general phariseeic topics that they want to talk about.
We're having an interesting Bible study started by one of our new Christians at his office on Tuesday mornings. He was converted by watching a guy named Watkins on a DirectTv channel and is teaching from Watkins book on Teaching Salvation. He brought up the subject one morning about if others are not against us, leave them alone, as was the case told by Jesus when a couple of the apostles mentioned another group doing some work and not one of them and whether they should be condemned. Our preacher sitting there got on his pharisee band wagon and started to him and haw about it. Then we got onto the subject of Sunday being the new "sabbath". The preacher, of course, proceeded to quote scriptures about this and that being done on the first day of the week, etc. I said, yeah, that became the Christian tradition, but it didn't ever become a commandment replacing the 4th one in the OT (and never repeated in the NT). If other folks (e.g. 7th day adventists and Catholics with Saturday night or Friday night services) weren't doing something "illegal". Leave them alone. I had to leave quickly that morning to get to bowling. Don't know how they eventually ended the discussion.
This guy does classes Tuesday morning in his office, Tuesday afternoon at an old folks complex and Tuesday night at our church building. He's really enthusiastic. Very a fresh air guy for the rest of us.
It was about 200 AD before Sunday became a "sabbath" officially by the church. Otherwise, there was no "Sabbath" day except where the Jews continued their tradition of keeping the seventh day sabbath. The calendar was never changed to reflect Sunday as the seventh day therefore rendering Saturday as a sixth day of the week.
So if we follow the ten commandments literally according the the same calendar used by the Romans and the current calendar, we would be forced to see Saturday as the Sabbath. That is what our church taught since the late 40s.
But back in the mid to late 90's, we found it to be incorrect since the law, though a good one and very basic for most civilizations (do not kill, steal, etc.), was not enforced in a literal sense by the early church. But the law of love was. And of course, the church in the 200's had started running into problems with the law with other countries.
First of all, the Romans and many other cultures had to overcome the very first commandment, "Thou shalt have no other gods before me". They had to wrestle the idea of having only one God.
The second one was making graven images. The same church that sanctified Sunday as a sabbath (though Jesus and the apostles and the early church did not) they were zealous in making images and taking on icons and relects that were practically idolized if not worshipped. Even the "saints" and their statues were highly regarded to at least equal with Christ.
And the convenience of having the state handle the execution of any "sinners" was something the church did during the dark/middle ages to keep "innocence".
To make a big deal out of a Sabbath day that was never mentioned by Jesus or the apostles and then break the rest of the commandments is something akin to swallowing a camel and choking on a gnat. (which, by the way, is something I have done...choke on gnat....them things can get rough on you)
Boyd "Moustaches makes good air filters while riding motorcycles" Allen
I've noticed that some forums have started doing that in order to increase posting. works well! I'm glad to see you there posting, no matter the motivation.
