I have read some of the nudist crap from so called christian nudists. It really makes me sad. I contacted a pastor and did some reasearch on the net.
A few things I read I also noticed.
Most of the time males are the ones wanting to get involed in nudity and almost all the time women arent. Every site I have been two including this one most women do not want to be apart of this nudist crap.
Men leave without them. It causes family problems when women dont want the male to walk naked in front of the kids and the male doesnt care.
I have read also that people get divorced and have been divorced many times. I went to several sites and it was amazing how many cases I read about this.
They kept saying the wife wasnt giving in and seeing the "freedom" she could have. What they should relize is its the nudity that caused this. Without the nudity there would have been no divorce.
Some say its not about sex. Its a lie if a Christian says he is after being around naked people less sexual arroused by the female form.
Many people get addicted to porn and I know its not for them to look on the body in a wholesome way.
The Bible is against nudity. I feel sorry for you boyd.
The Bible says stay away from the appearence of sin. And to not be a stumbling block to others. You cant tell if they are lusting or not. So stay dressed.
Then you will prob tell me even clothed people lust. Personally im a teen and when a woman is wearing a modest set of clothing I dont lust over her. But when she shows more skin then its arousing.
People get addicted to porn. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEY SEE OF THE NAKED BODIES THEY WANT MORE.
Saying everyone go naked does nothing. Now they can just look anytime. So sad....
I talked to a pastor and he wrote me this about the Bible and nudity.
I also have 2 links for you to read.
Thanks for your prayers and faith. With regard to the alleged, Christian nudism, or a, Christian nudist camp, the last thing any Christian believer should even be associated with is this kind of pornographic material. Yes, I agree with your position, and the scripture affirms the same, as I will point out later.
ÿ Galatians 5:13 It is absolutely clear that God has called you to a free life. Just make sure that you dont use this freedom as an excuse to do whatever you want to do and destroy your freedom. Rather, use your freedom to serve one another in love; thats how freedom grows. The Message Bible by Eugene Peterson 2002
I should honestly caution you not to even visit websites that are promoting this stuff, because every mans battle with pornographic temptations is a reality and Christian men are no less susceptible to its evil lure. Im including myself in this admonition too, because the devil targets those on the front lines the most. In the past, I have personally counseled devoted Christian men, whose involvement with some degree of pornographic media or another eventually led to a destructive addiction to porn, which subsequently ruined their marriages and destroyed their families literally within weeks or months.
I want to define the word, porn, from scripture before continuing further, as most Christians have a very shallow understanding of the words extensive applications. In todays modern Bible versions, the Greek word, porneía is translated in a variety of ways, such as the following: fornication, immorality, sexual immorality, lewdness, adultery, etc.
The Greek word porneía (NT: 4202) is defined as meaning harlotry, but it includes in its applications any type of illicit sexual intercourse, such as fornication, adultery, and incest. Such prostitution excesses were very common among the heathen in the times of the Apostles (1 Corinthians 5:1,9,10; 6:9). Porneia also has a general reference to any sexual sin (e.g. - 1 Corinthians 6:13,18; 7:2; 2 Corinthians 12:21; Galatians 5:19; Ephesians 5:3; Colossians 3:5; 1 Thessalonians 4:3; Revelation 9:21). Porneia specifically refers to adultery in the text of Matthew 5:32; 19:9, and porneia is used of incest in 1 Corinthians 5:1; it is also used of idolatry, since unfaithfulness toward God equal to sexual unfaithfulness to one's marriage partner (Revelation 2:21; 14:8; 17:2,4; 18:3; 19:2; Sept.: Jeremiah 3:9; Ezekiel 16:15,22; 23:27; Hosea 2:2; 4:12).
The Greek New Testament uses the word porneía and some of its word cognates to represent the idolization of something or someone by a believer and today its illicit sexual connotations implicate the unclean devotion of any Christian man (or woman) involved with porn. Since scripture makes the true disciple of Jesus, (i.e. the church) analogous to a chaste virgin being espoused to God, then any conscious defilement, which violates the believers covenant relationship with Him is in effect, the same as devotion is given to the idols.
For example, as a sexual vice, porneía idolatry typically occurs when the believer begins forsaking of the true God in order to spend time masturbating in front of his or her computer monitor, as he or she views pornographic images (this is just one example). Masturbate is a Mid-19th century word, originating from the past participle of masturbari. This root word is of uncertain origin, but perhaps from manu stuprare, to defile with the hand, or, debauchery with the hand.
The harlot church in the Book of Revelation is described as one that has defiled herself with sexual uncleanness, implicating the global influences of pornographic imagery upon the lives of individual and the spiritual health of the worldwide corporate body of believers.
Porneia is not limited to the type of media produced by the sex films illicit industry because porneia occurs inside the mind, and begins with an inordinate craving or lust from within a persons heart. There were no television sets or computers in the 1st century, when the Greek term pórnos, pórnou, porneía, and other related words were used to describe sexually immoral acts, expressions, or thoughts.
Strongs defines a Greek word cognate of porneía (porneuo; NT: 4203 from NT: 4204) as meaning, to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practice idolatry. Porneuo also means, to prostitute one's body to the lust of another; to give oneself to unlawful sexual intercourse; to commit fornication (e.g. - 1 Corinthians 6:18). Porneuo is also used by Jews as a metaphoric Hebraism, which means, to be given to idolatry, to worship idols, (e.g. - 1 Chronicles 5:25).
Without doubt, the so-called, Christian Naturalist, is a lie from the devil, and is predominantly practiced by pornographic publishers seeking yet another market for the flood of filth being promulgated in the 21st century. The etymological path of our English word, pornography, can easily be traced to the ancient city of Corinth. The word pornography is derived directly from the Greek and this word is verbalized by transliterating a compounded form of two Greek words, porneia, (meaning, sexual immorality of any sort), and, grapho, (meaning, to scribe, etch, write, draw, etc).
For nearly two centuries, archaeological digs of the Roman Empire period have yielded overwhelming amounts of ancient artifacts, such as images found on coins, detailed in the artistry (i.e. idolatry) of the silversmith and goldsmith works, tile mosaics, statues (many still standing where first placed), painted and/or dyed murals and carvings etched in stone, marble, alabaster, wood, and other materials, which items have indelibly preserved and today give a picture of the lifestyle, culture, mannerisms, and other practices of that era.
These archaic depictions provide convincing historical records about the type of debauchery that immoralized and eventually amoralized the heart of the Roman Empire, leading to its ultimate demise, including the practice of public nudity, (including topless women), rampant sexual immorality (everything from bestiality to sodomy), drunken orgies, as well as and other forms of sin that the unbelievers indulged and reveled in.
Not surprising therefore, is the apostle Pauls frequent mention and warnings to the Christians in his letters to various First Century churches throughout Asia Minor. The strong rebukes written to the believers residing in the city of Corinth specify the kind of vulgar, offensive sexual immorality engaged by some, including incest. The New International Version of 1 Corinthians 6:13 (below) translates the Greek word porneia as, sexual immorality, because it generalizes ancient idolatry and sexual vice as one and the same.
ÿ 1 Corinthians 6:13 The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. New International Version
Corinth was considered the ancient equivalent of modern Las Vegas, and so rampant was its sexually deviant practices, that a common euphemism expressed throughout the Roman Empire to describe fornication, adultery or other types of sexual promiscuity was attributed to an immoral person, saying he or she was, Corinthianized.
Naturalist claims that nudism is akin to the liberties we are bestowed from God in Christ is downright insulting to the Holy One. The apostle Paul was no stranger to this subject either, as noted throughout the context of his letters to the churches at Corinth, in which he actually addresses this very topic. As Corinth was notorious for its rampant sexual vice.
Being a follower of Jesus Christ does not exempt us from common decency and God never says we must, feel good, about our naked bodies! Jesus never walked around naked, and he is the only human being that is ever worthy of the purity of character and prefall innocence that predates Adams sin.
From what I researched online, it appears this alleged, Christian Naturalist (nudism), movement is being championed by porn producers, which specialize in pedophilia. The false teachers and deceivers promulgating this filth under the disguise of, Christian Naturalists, are therefore perverts, in the strictest sense of the word. I read about one group whose website was recently closed, except for a cover page, was said to have featured multiple pornographic images of nude children under the age of eight years old, including photographs of very young boys and girls posing for the camera, who were as young as five or six years old!
The group that you mentioned, located in Tampa, Florida, is no different, and though the naturalists rationalize publicly displaying ones genitalia, their claim to, freedom in Christ, has outraged Christian and secular public, which have been aggressively highly opposed to the groups proposed nudist colony, which is targeted to open in 2006.
The Christian man that alleges he is beyond porns tempting enticement is self-deluded and out-and-out deceived! The Internets protocol offers free and open access to this spiritual and mental barf, just long enough to get a man hooked on it. Then the sex industries sleazebag producers run the porn addicts credit card debt into the ground until he owes a huge financial debt for the piles of porn videos, CDs, magazines and other repulsive imagery he has hidden or stashed from the prying eyes of his wife and children.
Especially vulnerable to the lure of porn and statistically, the ones who are most readily and easily addicted are teenagers between the ages of 15-19 years of age, because of the hormonal changes that occur during and after puberty. Each successive generation grows up with a greater familiarity and use of the Internet, and their natural adolescent curiosity is a target of the porn producers. Pornography use has, in my estimation, almost single-handedly resulted in the downfall of Americas morality, and is fueling an ever-increasing sense of lawlessness and iniquity, making this world a very dangerous place to live in, particularly for young women and girls.
You will never hear me be anything other than outspoken against porn, because the only way we as believing men can resist and lead the troops of righteousness to a life of purity is by example. Dont think for one minute that a mans clandestine involvement with porn goes undetected by your wife or girlfriend, and certainly not unnoticed by the Almighty. God has built into a womans psyche the ability to sense the demonically impure and disgusting influences of porn, even when she cannot figure own in her mind whats wrong.
ÿ Titus 1:15a Everything is clean to those who have clean minds. But nothing is wholesome to those who are themselves corrupt
Phillips New Testament
Weymouth New Testament Translation renders the first part of Titus 1:15 this way, To the pure everything is pure; but to the polluted
nothing is pure
on the contrary, their very minds and consciences are polluted. Notice, those who participate in gross immorality, such as you described with the example of so-called, Christian nudism, have, polluted consciences. This means they have no sense of right or wrong, so any rationale used to justify their position about nudity stems from a corrupted conscience and mind. The Message Bible by Eugene Peterson 2002 renders the same verse as follows:
ÿ Titus 1:15 Everything is clean to the clean-minded; nothing is clean to dirty-minded unbelievers. They leave their dirty fingerprints on every thought and act. The Message Bible by Eugene Peterson 2002
Even if there was some basis for Christians to practice nudism, the fact is the behavior would have to be confined and limited only to the individuals private residence, otherwise he or she would have to throw away the Bible to ignore its many commandments and warnings about this behavior. Consider the example found in Peters second epistle, which uses an Old Testament patriarch (Lot) to illustrate this very point.
Below I have pasted the entire second chapter for your reference, and will close with this passage. I have highlighted in blue the specific references, which specify as wrong and attributed to men as false prophets and false teachers in the Christian churches that introduce teachings as a substitutional form of religion by promising freedom thru gross sexual immorality, which need no further commentary by me to make the point.
ÿ 2 Peter 2:1-22
1-3 But even in those days there were false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you today. They will be men who will subtly introduce dangerous heresies. They will thereby deny the Lord who redeemed them, and it will not be long before they bring on themselves their own downfall. 2 Many will follow their flagrant immorality and thereby bring discredit on the way of truth. 3 In their lust to make converts these men will try to exploit you too with their bogus arguments. But judgment has been for some time hard on their heels and their downfall is inevitable.
4-9 For if God did not spare angels who sinned against him, but banished them to the dark imprisonment of hell till judgment day; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world but only saved Noah, the solitary voice that cried out for righteousness, and his seven companions when he brought the flood upon the world in its wickedness; 6 and if God reduced the entire cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes, when he sentenced them to destruction as a fearful example to those who wanted to live in defiance of his laws, 7-8 and yet saved Lot the righteous man, in acute mental distress at the filthy lives of the godlessLot, remember, was a good man suffering spiritual agonies day after day at what he saw and heard of their lawlessnessthen you may be absolutely certain that the 9 Lord knows how to rescue good men surrounded by temptation, and how to reserve his punishment for the wicked until their day comes.
10-11 His judgment is chiefly reserved for those who have indulged all the foulness of their lower natures, and have nothing but contempt for authority. These men are arrogant and presumptuousthey think nothing of scoffing at the glories of the unseen world. 11 Yet even angels, who are their superiors in strength and power, do not bring insulting criticisms of such things before the Lord.
12-13 But these men, with no more sense than the unreasoning brute beasts which are born to be caught and killed, scoff at things outside their own experience, and will most certainly be destroyed in their own corruption. 13 Their wickedness has earned them an evil end and they will be paid in full. These are the men who delight in daylight selfindulgence; they are foul spots and blots, playing their tricks at your very dinnertables.
14-16 Their eyes cannot look at a woman without lust, and they miss no opportunity for sin. They captivate the unstable ones, and their technique of getting what they want is, through long practice, highly developed. They are born under a curse, 15 for they have abandoned the right road and wandered off to follow the old trail of Balaam, son of Beor, the man who had no objection to wickedness as long as he was paid for it. 16 But he, you remember, was sharply reprimanded for his wickednessby a donkey, of all things, speaking with a human voice to check the prophets wicked infatuation!
17-19 These men are like wells without a drop of water in them, like the changing shapes of whirling stormclouds, and their fate will be the black night of utter darkness. 18 With their highsounding nonsense they use the sensual pull of the lower passions to attract those who were just on the point of cutting loose from their companions in evil. 19 They promise them liberty. Liberty!when they themselves are bound hand and foot to utter depravity. For a man is the slave of whatever masters him.
20-22 If men have escaped from the worlds contaminations through knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and then become entangled and defeated by them all over again, their last position is worse than their first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of goodness at all, than after knowing it to turn their backs on the sacred commandments given to them. 22 For them, the old proverbs have come true about the, dog returning to his vomit, and "the sow that had been washed going back to wallow in the muck. Phillips New Testament
There is a major deception involved with places like the nudist colony in Tampa, Florida, whose pornography included children! Christians should be outraged at such debauchery and evil, and those who promote and practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of heaven I can assure you. Jesus the Christ warned that in the last ages (eons) the love of most believers will grow cold (Read Matthew 24:3-5 and 24:10-14). The Amplified Bible renders the Lords prophetic warnings as follows (below):
ÿ Matthew 24:4-5, 10-12 Jesus answered them, Be careful that no one misleads you deceiving you and leading you into error. 5 For many will come in on the strength of My name appropriating the name which belongs to Me, saying, I am the Christ, and they will lead many astray
10 And then many will be offended and repelled and will begin to distrust and desert Him Whom they ought to trust and obey and will stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error. 12 And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity, Amplified Bible
There is much more I could say brother, but my limits constrain elaborating further. There is no such thing as a Christian nudist. The Greek New Testament is abounding with references that use the word porneia, porneuo and other related word cognates, all of which originate from the root word pórnos. This Greek root word pórnos originally meant a male prostitute, to commit fornication, or to play the harlot. Related words in the New Testament always connote negative, sinful behavior. Rather than pasting the actual verses, instead I have provided you with a comprehensive list of all these scripture passages, which I strongly suggest you look up and familiarize yourself with each passage, especially Matthews gospel and the apostle Pauls first letter to the Corinthian church (see references below).
New Testament References that use Greek words related to pórnos:
Matthew 5:32; 15:19; 19:9; 21:31; 21:32
Acts 15:20; 15:29; 21:25
1 Corinthians 5:1(X2); 5:9; 5:10; 5:11; 6:9; 6:13; 6:15; 6:16; 6:18(X2); 7:2; 10:8(X2);
2 Corinthians 12:21
Ephesians 5:3; 5:5
1 Thessalonians 4:3
1 Timothy 1:10
Hebrews 11:31; 12:16; 13:4
Revelation 2:14; 2:20; 2:21; 9:21; 14:8; 17:1; 17:2(X2); 17:4;17:5; 17:15; 17:16; 18:3(X2); 18:9; 19:2(X2); 21:8; 22:15
I hope this information is helpful in your judgments brother. Stay strong in the faith, and seek purity in all that you do, say, and watch.
Nudity can not just be "nothing" and fine for everyone. God gave us our clothes. God even told the priests to be covered.
When adam and eve were first made there was no sin. After sin came into their lives they covered up. THEY KNEW THEY WERE NAKED.
BEFORE THEY DID NOT.
I will pray for you all here. Dont believe these lies. The Bible shows nudity as shamefull after the fall.