In my book, the focus is on the cross of Jesus, fully unclothed,
unashamed, as he knew everyone's heart there, having created
each one of them with the Father, as Jesus was present from
before the world began. Christian naturists may know the truth
of nudity, but not to the core meaning, a body which relates
to every principle that Jesus taught, so simple that children can
understand, related to the equalness of all of
Christ's members----every part of his body represented the equal
members that hopefully we are. ....God calls us to be actively
seeking greater knowledge, and this final hurdle could propel us
into the great undertaking that God has promised for ages, the
kingdom in Glory on Earth with the reigh of Jesus.
Edward or whatever your name is.
At first, I thought you were on the level, but now I think you are not here to make friends with us, but to condemn us and tell us that we don't know the gospel message nor the reasons for returning to God-given nudity.
You have done nothing to improve substantially improve your Web site and have not listened to several people who offered constructive criticism.
I've had enough of you and your constant sales pitches for that lame Web site.
I invite you to simply go away.
Perhaps Boyd could help make that happen.
I did what you suggested, and am doing it, are you truly listening?
I am placing my pictures on the fifth page, so that dialupers
can readily get the first web page up quickly....
I am moving text, changing things, moving things, building,
and have emphasized that on my web site in clear words,
that the site will change according to all imput, and I have
responded and done many things suggested....is any one paying
attention to this?
....Could you please let everyone here know who you are? Where you live (in general, not physical address). I live just 35 miles south of Ivor VA, to give you an idea of what I am talking about.
If you give a little bit of your history, who you are, how you came into naturism, that would help us understand where you are going with your message.
Boyd, why do people attack the truth, simply out of ignorance?
I came from a town in the heart of the worst unemployment, in Michigan,
traveled nearly thirty eight states, read the scriptures thoroughly, and
talk about the cross, and suddenly I am attacked by vigorous name calling...
sounds to me that is what the scriptures clearly tell me that men will
do when you try to tell them the truth about this critical topic...
Spam???? ooooh what? that man who attacked me for no good reason whatsoever
ought to be the one who is chastised....not me....I told the truth, simply
and plainly...and all he can do is call me names????---I did not respond in kind, nor will I, but God calls us to peace....to tell the truth, the whole truth about worshipping in Spirit and in Truth, which we cannot do unless
we witness to each other as Christians the whole truth about our covering
made by a perfect God....that man who attacked me is just one of those
who has not one good thing to say about the many good things that I have done...just wants to make excuses not to hear...hearing is not just of the senses, but the spiritual hearing....
And my name is protected for a very good reason, that evil men want to twist
words and use them against the good people of this world, and is wisdom clearly that tells me not to reveal a name unless one really wants to hear
the truth already contained in my message....I invite others to simply read my website, answer a few questions truthfully, and I will reveal my name...
it is so simple....the truth is much more important, Boyd....
That man who said mean things that have nothing to do with what
I said, he can be forgiven....I did not in any way say what he said, at all,
and if you read my website, their is contrary hands down evidence to support
what I have said all along, that the body is central to our understanding
the gospel of Jesus, and without that understanding, our focus is lost,
especially when Paul emphasized Christ Crucified, to center our spiritual
vision on just who died on that Cross, for you and I, naked, unclothed and
unashamed, but more importantly, breaking us from the bonds of what that
false shame does to those who are in Christ's body. I have said nothing
contrary to what you have said at all Boyd. What condition of mind is it
that calls a website totallly in line with yours a negative website, because
of a simple matter of a name...ya, I have offered a name, if one would
read my website, find out some truths that they need to know, not just
about the acceptable body of of all, but the core truths surrounding
it....some people just want to bury their head in the sand and make excuses
not to listen further....your efforts have been praised greatly by myself,
are they listening to that? If I am clearly for your efforts, am I against
them???? This ramblinman, where does he get off telling me that I am against
anyone, when I am even for him, knowing that god forgives him, if he would
open his heart to what I have said all along, in complete support of all your
efforts.
First of all, let me tell you, the truth is much more important
than any name, and second, what I did was give my name only because
blank would not do.....Two plus two still would equal four if my
name were mud, charley, pinstripe, doobie, whatever...Does the fact
that Jesus died for our sins change? Does the truth change at all?
NO....But God clearly said that he will save us from our sins, not in them,
and we must climb together out of them, with each other's assistance...
Worshipping in spirit and in truth (fully unclothed) is what we need
to connect with each other in the way that God has always intended
for us to worship. Have I said anything contrary to what you have said?
Ramblinman, there is no fear in God, so what have you to
fear by emailing me and coming in the spirit of peace, the
way that our Lord and master would want you to?
When men before in the Old Testament told where they came from,
men reviled Jesus because they said he was a lowly Nazarene, and
that did not fit their definition of where a prophet should
come from. Now, we are full circle again, with name calling the issue
before us in truth, of which I did not in any way initiate or respond to
in kind, but called the brother in peace, in the spirit of peace, and if
he should come again in the spirit of unpeace, we shall know him by his works.
came to thirty eight states, lived in five over one year
October 30 2007, 11:05 PM
Traveled in thirty eight states, lived for about a year in Texas, Nebraska,
Alaska, California, and more than half my life at least in Michigan....
My age is definitely not important, as the Lord said unless you enter the
kingdom of our God as a little child, you can not enter in.
Simple and plain to children, that is what the gospel is, and it starts
with the most simple, our own body of each one of us.
It's the jumping back and forth with the two different names that is the problem. I know Ramblin Man personally, but he chose Ramblin Man and stuck with it. It is his second pseudo name, but again, he changed it and let us know he did. Then he stayed with that new name, not jump back and forth.
And replying to yourself with different names, looks strange too.
We agree with what you have to say for the most part. You do have truth on the website, but please, slow down and join the group here. You got time to fix up the site. Just don't advertise it like it was the greatest site ever written. We agree with much, but when you get your site organized, laid out where it's readable, and looks professional, then we can take it more seriously.
The people you WANT to reach are the ones who take one look at the site and move on. We are not the ones you want to reach. We are the ones to encourage you, give you advise, be brothers and sisters to you, but we will be honest too.
Now some advice I gave and did not give.
I did suggest you make the pictures smaller, or use less bits. There are software that you can use to make a 500kb file turn into a 50kb file. Arrange them with the story, not just take up space with a few words above and below. Don't even point out the pictures in your copy. Just tell your story, your thoughts, and let the pictures speak for themselves.
Don't use copyrighted pictures. Use only those you got permission for or are truly public domain. Even then, use tasteful ones, and that they relate to the subject.
I didn't suggest you put them all on another page, but that you break up your articles with pictures that relate to them to their own pages.
There are hosts that supply good web designing tools and materials. Some may not appreciate the nude pictures, but others may not mind them at all.
You may want to ask around at the different naturist forums about hosts that will allow you to build a site and hopefully, have the tools to do it.
Microsoft Front Page is a desktop tool. You can buy desktop tools for web building either online or where they sell software.
Geocities has an online tool that is free to use, but they also have a professional one that you download and build your site locally (charged for that one), then publish it back up to your site on Geocities.
Take the time to lay it out, and please, get rid of the typed pictures. Looks like you took an old typewriter to the website. If you took as much time building the site using the proper tools as you have typing in this stuff, you would have a wonderful site!
We are for you and agree with a lot of stuff. Equal to Jesus Christ however is pushing it.
Take your time, you got it. Talk with us about naturism and Christianity. I have a website too, but you do not see me constantly talking about it or promoting it. It's there for them, and I refer to articles once in a while, but only as it pertains to the subject at hand.
And please use one name. We don't care which one, or if it's your real name or not. Just show some consideration for these people here by using one of them. Especially when you are replying to yourself with a different name!
We care and we love one another here, so join us and be a part of us,
As far as I know, Boyd, his real name is Mark, I've forgotten his last name, and wouldn't post it here anyway. I haven't seen him since 2005 and hope I never see him again.
Edward, if you had come to us in friendliness, we would have welcomed you gladly. Instead, you have come lecturing, as if we were children who needed to be shown the Truth.
We are not children.
Among us are men and women who have spent many years studying the Word of God and praying to be shown His Light and His Way regarding simple nakedness. We, too, have come to understand that being naked before God, in spirit or in fact, is a blessed freedom that comes directly through Jesus' redemptive death and resurrection. We aren't visitors in the Church of Christian Naturism; we're the choir.
So, in the spirit of friendship, please put off your self-righteousness. You don't need it here. You and we have gotten off to a bad start, but it is not too late to put aside our differences. I regret now that I first called attention to your two different names; as I said, I use a nom de Web myself. But your defensive posture does no good for the cause of Godly nudity we all live and preach.
Lay aside your arms. We are your brothers and sisters.
