Boyd allen, if you do not defend me against these baseless
charges of not supporting you one hundred percent by
people who are not even close to discussing what exactly I
have specifically said without not one shred of proof, then
I will assume that you do not care....
I thought this was a topic board about leading people to the Lord
of all, but I guess that I could be wrong....no one really discussed
specifically what I said at all, but name called, accused falsely,
put words in my mouth which I did not say, etc, etc,....well, Boyd,
if you do not defend me truthfully against these baseless accusations,
I will leave your board and go else where to lead others to the Lord,
even the Christ, and leave you permanantly, despite my deep desire
to serve your wonderful site....these people are mean....spirited, not
christ like, having not read my site, for if they read it, they would
see that I do have wonderful insight....but dear one, apparently,
you do not care....or otherwise you would have defended me against
baseless attacks that have nothing to do with the whole truth.
I owe the Lord my all, and this is what I get for my testimony, more
baseless attacks????---No, dear one, as much I would love to support you,
unless I hear from you again, I will not write on this website again....
First of all, yes they did read your site. They all agreed it is hard to read. It goes in many directions. It is not us who you need to preach to. We agree with a lot, but unfortunately, you will not succeed with your site out there in cyberland.
Question, are you trying to lead people to the Lord or are you trying to lead people to Naturism or are you trying to lead them to you?
Only one or two has really said something harsh. The rest has pleaded with you to talk with us. Example, I asked about who you are. You replied with some information, but got off on another subject, added several replies with two different names before you got back to answering the question at the last post. Its this type of writing and using different names is whats making it difficult to discuss with you about naturism, Christianity and your site. It's the podium pounding style of preaching.
Again, what I do read, for the most part is correct, but asking us to read your site and focus on it as if it was the answer we are looking for is not working here.
If you do have to leave, then you do so, but we are Christians, and if you read any of the history of this board, you will find we talk about life, relationships, Christ and of course, Naturism. We build relationships, we get to know each other, we tell jokes, we pray, cry, laugh, argue, and of course, bring people to a closer relationship with Christ.
And once in a very, very long while, I may have to ask someone to leave. But this board knows I have patience and sometimes leave someone on a bit too long. Either they will get it, or they will not. But I give everyone, and I mean EVERYONE a chance.
These people who you say are falsely accusing you I have known for years. I know who is more likely to get bent out of shape and who is more likely to sit there and see what comes out of it without saying anything. But I do know they will not falsely accuse you.
Maybe they are still not understanding who you are.
Can you tell us more about how you got into naturism without referring to your website and try to say it in one posting? Just sit down and write it off line then when you feel you got a good story, then post it here. But please, use one name and try to post it in one post, not several posts under posts using two different names. Believe me, if I did that on another site, I would have been booted off there a long time ago! We have not done that to you.
OK, Boyd, but I will try, hey, I never, never never said what
you keep on saying, so stop reading into what it is not there@@@
Simply, in the name of Jesus, there is nothing in the website
that says I am better than thou. period!!!! It simply states
that I am most unworthy to deliver anything~~~ read it for your self
for crying out loud...are some people just lazy, or are they deaf?
In my website, I call us into the depths of humility, as the website
if you read in depth calls us all to do, as christians, to focus
on Jesus who readily accepts us just as we are, as we are afraid
to testify as we are in power and might. Your site may be wonderful
in its focus, but God calls us to greater knowledge. My name and my
background mean nothing, as I will only get in the way of what truth
is all about.....now, the Lord has said, cry nothing but repentance,
for there is literally no time left to do nothing but, in power some day...
background///dear one, it will not matter one iota of my background in
truth, as the heathen ask for one's resume, instead of focusing on just
what they bring to the table, in God's message, not of man, but of God.
Your site might be good for them, but not as good as you think for the
celestial law of love people who must take a step further toward the
realization that if they do not connect with their fellow law of lovers,
they will not participate in that great endeavor which Isaiah literally
screams of.....read it for your self...I did not wrtie it, all I have done
is testify of what I have read, and if my name gets in the way, or my
mere unworthy background gets in the way, you got it, should I
show my unworthiness before some evil men who aim not to champion the
truth but to make excuses for listening? NO.
1) These flurry of name changes make me dizzy. Pick one and stick to it. Mark/Edward/Brian -- Your writing style is a giveaway to who you are if you are trying to hide your identity from us by switching names. If that is not the case, I do not see the point.
2) I have done professional as well as personal web design in the past as well as several others here. Frankly, I can not make any sense of your website. Because of the layout of the site, I am not inclined to put the effort in to read it. I might suggest you look at something like Blogger.com or wordpress.com if you want something easy to maintain. Wordpress even allows the creation of "pages".
3) Honestly, from your writing, I do not have a sense of where you are coming from spiritually. There are times, in fact, I have felt red flags fly. You talk about Christ but you also talk about secret knowledge. This is the same thing that the Gnostics did during Paul's time. John (in I John) comes out squarely against that sort of thing. I also see little scripture supporting what you believe. I John 4:7-8 also talks about how we will know other Christians by their love for each other. I have felt attacked and I have not even been involved in this exchange.
Look I told you my first name, but you keep on reading
November 1 2007, 3:05 PM
You keep on reading into something which
was not said, and that my man is because
of the spirit of the antichrist working
within the flesh and blood of us all,
I give many options to read my website,
and, no one is really caring on this board
wether the very positive aspects of it get noticed...
Again, you are reading into it again....
STOP doing that, I implored others to ask
in the name of Jesus, if I lie, it will be known,
but I lie not..
The spirit of the Lord speaks specifically of Christ
crucified....and God's unconditional love, but does
not excuse those who make excuses for not reading
the words for them selves.
I had a person read exactly what you skimmed over, and
he thought of it in very high terms, of a very high calling.
Read the scriptures, as they call for the warning voice to
be heard in power, some day, not from me at all, but from
those who recognize deep humility.
At least by the spirit of peace did you come, not by the anti
spirit....
You know, Mark, I have tried several times to read your website, and what little I read had some good things to say--but I find it nearly unreadable. Too long-winded, too much information on one long page, not enough compelling verbal imagery, too much verbage before we get to your thesis--and I'm sorry to say I never did discern what your main point was.
However, with a little work, you could make it into a highly readable website even without fancy graphics.
One of the things I learned in college English was how to construct a good essay or paper. The first thing you do is to construct a thesis, that is, to reduce the point you want to make to one sentence. Then you do your research to prove your thesis (or disprove it--and if it gets disproved, then obviously you have to change it). This thesis then goes in the first paragraph of the essay or the first page of the paper or website.
Next is the body of the paper, where you present the evidence supporting your thesis. It's often good to use a roughly sequential order. If you're using Scriptures to support, you can go from Old Testament to New Testament unless this order confuses the logic of your argument. If one point depends on another point, put the dependent point second. Then you can explore implications. What does your thesis mean, say, to the average textile? Why (for example) is it so important to hold a high view of the naked body? What harm does it do if you don't? And so on.
Then, when you've presented all the facts, arguments, and implications, you restate the thesis to remind your readers why they've been reading in the first place. So you tell your readers what you're going to say; then you say it; then you tell them what you've said. Seems redundant--but it fixes your point in your reader's minds.
But the most important thing is to reduce your point to a single sentence.
Once you do this, and relate everything on your website to that point-sentence, then it will be much more readable. Especially when you divide it properly into pages of manageable length. I look forward to reading such a readable website with a clearly defined thesis.
Who ever you are the things you lack in everything you have done since you have shown up here is the willingness to listen. Jesus Christ listens! You have proclaimed your interpretation of the Word of God and it's confusing. God never intended for His Word to be confusing! You have attacked the host of this site and those who abide here, yet you would have us believe that you are a man of God. I am the one who leveled the first serious criticism of you when you claimed that your writings equate to the writings of Jesus Christ. Your writings talk in circles and are all centered around what you think and that appears to be seriously lacking. I am a writer, a minister, an evangelist, and a nudist. You, in todays vernacular, are a wack job. My brother, Boyd, is a much more diplomatic person than I but if your last post was an offer to leave so be it.
Boyd,
I am sorry for being pushy but I had had it. Whoever he is he was not sent by our God. I suppose if nothing else he woke everyone up. As I have gotten older my patience with foolish distraction has deminished. About a year ago God dropped a thought into my head. "The Last Dash For Calvary". I pondered that for a bit, I don't preach anymore, I write songs but it doesn't sound like a song title, and then a few months later it began to fit into the daily life scene. We are very near the end, there is a great revival coming, there will we distractions all around, keep your message simple.
You would not care if my name was mud, you are still
not discussing the issues raised in my website, just
name calling, and mudslinging, not the spirit of peace
that our God has called us to, but your on and on excuse
to bury your head the proverbial sand....If Love, Peace,
truth AND LIFE ARE NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU, JUST SIMPLY
IGNORE ME.
But as for me and my house, I will serve the Lord...you keep on talking
about my website, but never specifics, just what?
You discourage its reading, when wonderful words of life are contained
within.....words inspired by jesus....Love unconditionally, unfeigned love,
unfathomable, great joy...are these the words you so disdain?"?"????
Please, PLEASE stop talking down to people. Aires of superiority never get you much of what you are asking for. You speak several times of us needing humility, but you exhibit none yourself...
I met Mark in Michigan when I lived in Turtle Lake Resort. One thing I learned about him is that is a pest. He loves the sound of his own voice and wouldn't let anyone else talk. I had to get downright rude with him when he tracked me here to Florida and wanted to take up where we left off. He had convinced himself that we were friends when I wanted nothing to do with him because he's weird in my opinion.
I was so glad to get away from him as it was. It's not in my nature to be rude to anyone, but he gave me no choice. I made the mistake of inviting him and his wife to my home up north, and I couldn't get rid of him after that. I could hardly get a word in edgewise, and neither could his wife. He attached himself to me like a leach and wouldn't go away.
He made himself comfortable on my sofa one night and ignored my hints to go back to his wife and wherever they were staying at the resort. He fell asleep on my sofa, and I just went to bed and left him there. The next morning he had the audacity to come to my bedroom door and bother me while I was still in bed. Since I wear earplugs to bed because noises bother me, I heard nothing he said and just ignored him. He finally shut up and left.
His writings are impossible to follow or understand, and I got bored with it very quickly. There is no rhyme or reason to his site, and it's impossible to follow it. I learned that he will not listen to anyone but himself.
I kept trying to think what was bothering me about his posts and its that they just make no sense and ramble. He spews random Bible verses around to supposedly support his point, but there was never any rhyme or reason. Just rambling and paranoid assersions about all of us persecuting him in these posts. Your post has shed a bright light on the situation.
I could be wrong as to who this Mark is, and if so I will apologize to him for my post. Otherwise, if he is the same Mark, everything I said is true. The only thing I will apologize for in that case is having to say it. If it is the same Mark, I don't understand him using multiple names; he never did with me.
Pure ignorance, but God calls us unto perfection, let us not
fall back upon how good we are....please....
...God calls us not to rebuke wise counsel, neither
to not heed good advice....from those who have studied
the scriptures thoroughly....Yes God's love, but a warning
also for the wicked to turn and live, which God loves enough
to steer them from a path that leads to destruction.
If you choose to read thoroughly my website, your comments
will turn to high praise, not the kind of criticism you
have been espousing...read it....for your self....there are
scriptural references galore if you dig in to it....plenty...
and not confusing at all...it is because of your understanding,
not of the scriptures, which clearly tell us never to trust
in the the arm of Flesh and Blood, but only rely on the source,
which is God himself, in James, Chapter 1, if any man lack
wisdom, to ask of God who giveth liberally and upbraideth not.
I have already told over and over and over again apparently to no
one's attention that I am seeking to improve my site, reading wise,
and always always always have supported Allen Boyd, support is not
always praise all the time, but supportive criticism to show that
there is always one greater goal in mind, reaching the God who seeks
all, to come to him with a clean heart, into the depths of humility
with hearts knitted together to find out to the core of what we
need to do together.
You say over and over and over again the same thing
November 1 2007, 3:21 PM
What is our goal? jesus Said it clearly, the father.
He who seeks only to reach Jesus does not understand Jesus.
Our Goal is the Father, based on the words of Jesus. We do
not know the Father, but only know about Jesus. We error,
many of us, by saying that we know something, when we do
not act upon what we know clearly.
To believe in anything is to do it.
The proof of belief is the actions taken that are completely
in line with that belief.
In the very first three hyperlinks, I talk about Life, Truth, and love,
and then Truth again, are you really reading my website which others
have read and loved, or are you just skimming, well if you just skim it,
you are not asking of God to confirm my words, as I have implored others
to do. Read it for your selves..
If your accusers haven't been molified it is no cause of Boyd's, but only your own.
Before I go any further, let me introdece myself- My name (my real one, by the way) is Kevin. I have been a part of this forum for quite some time, and for the last few years I have been helping Boyd to moderate it.
My presence has been less than normal lately, for a variety of reasons, but I decided to take some time this morning to try and catch up, and I do not like what I see. You may have noticed some of my replies further down the page, and you will probably see more up above as I continue to catch up. If I cover something that has already been covered, please forgive me.
I have other things to say, but for the here and now, I'll stick to what I started this post with:
It is not Boyd's job to defend you. He has already asked the other postes to back off and give you a fair chance to speak for yourself, and I might say that his effort is more than I myself would have done.
Boyd also asked you to be more explanitory as to your ideas and statements, instead of just coming here and making proclamations- I haven't seen that done yet. Jochanaan told you in no uncertain terms, and I strongly agree, that we here are not children who are in need of teaching, but it doesn't seem to have helped your attitude.
Now you come along and say that it is Boyd's job to defend your credibility? I don't think so. That's just another way of deflecting your problems on to somebody else- making anything that happens not your fault. To me that isn't the action of a mature adult, much less a mature Christian.
Stand up for your convictions with somethiing more than proclamations and rhetoric and others will listen. If you choose not to do so, you can only expect more of the same response as you have already recieved.
The Bible says that only a foolish man ignores wise council. You have recieved wise council from several people here... the next choice is yours.
Dear Kevin, Faith is hope of things unseen, and the
assurance of evidence of things hoped for.....not
seen with the physical eye, but with the aid of
the scriptures, through the spiritual eye that
God wants us to develop fully.....
There is absolutely no proof of what we are saying in the
eyes of men...they do not see proof as you and I do...
We cannot prove God to them...but we see overwhelming
evidence of things hoped for, starting with Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob, through all the prophets, Elijah, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Obadiah, etc.....including the greatest of all, Jesus, and they all spoke while in the nude, or unclothed
just as naturally as we speak clothed.
And the evidence of things hoped for starts right at the
mirror, not only to see our naked face, but what our bodies
stand for, a temple built with perfect hands for eternally
very good purposes.
I agree, but unfortunately I don't see anything that you wrote having anything at all to do with what I wrote... which I believe is one of the reasons you find it difficult to communicate here very well.
This is one of the reasons you have trouble here. You did not answer Kevin, but just added more disjointed information.
You also wrote "and they all spoke while in the nude, or unclothed
just as naturally as we speak clothed". Is there evidence of that here? We cannot make fact out of something we cannot prove. True, some did, but I cannot say without proof that all did. And we are not here to prove that Jesus did, for we cannot truly prove that.
Now if you got something to say to us, please talk TO us, not AT us. You have a website. Please clean it up and work on it. The whole thing, not posting a bunch of disjointed paragraphs on our forum expecting us to edit it. We do not have the time. That is not what this forum is for.
If you got a philosophical question (in the form of a question) you would like for us to help you with, then we would be glad to help you. Such as, "Is there proof that Jesus, like Isaiah, prophesied or preached naked during his ministry?" We may answer with "We don't know" but at least we will discuss it with you, even come up with some some really cool links out there we have not seen before!
But you are not communicating with us. Just shouting us down with your disjointed comments.
So if you cannot use this board with it's intentions, then please, stop all together!
One thing I learned about Mark in Michigan is that he isn't looking to learn from others since he seems to think he has all the answers. At least, that's the way he comes across even if that is not his intention. He doesn't listen; he preaches and expects everyone to listen to him.
