Terry: I accidentally deleted your comment while trying to edit my comment. Please accept my apology.
Hi Lost and Found,
First of all, I want to thank you for commenting on my site. Of course, you missed a lot and I do have another site, Christian Naturism Blog
that explains even more.
Lets start with one mistake: You are basing your ideas on works. Not faith. Works is where we "do something" to atone for or to get God to do something for us. In this case, to remove (or wear or add on) clothing to please God. If that were the case, the bible would say so. But it does not, nor do I make such a claim. I do make the claim that God is pleased with us because we are in Christ, in whom he is well pleased. Wearing clothing will not save us any more than removing our clothing. Our clothing is not our salvation, Jesus is.
You have made the assumption we are removing our clothes because we feel by doing so, we are removing pride, sin, etc. No. We teach JESUS removes all sin. We remove our clothes, or just simply not put them on, because we don't want them. We are uncomfortable with them, and feel it is not necessary. It has nothing to do with righteousness or obtaining righteousness. We are righteous because of Jesus' righteousness, alone.
Here is where you are right, Jesus told us to clothe the naked. But, does that mean being naked is a sin? He also said to feed the hungry. Does that mean being hungry is a sin? Does that mean fasting then is wrong? If someone went three days in fasting, should I make that person eat food because Jesus said to feed the hungry? What if I am clothed with righteousness? Am I then naked before God?
You wrote "Perhaps some day we will all be free of sin and able to return to the garden complete without clothes." Wait...did you just miss something here? First of all, the bible made it plain that he removed all sin from the world. John 1:29 "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!" Do you believe that? Did Jesus accomplish what he set out to do? "Forgive them (all) for they know not what they do."
Now we have been forgiven of ALL SIN! YES! READ THAT AGAIN! ALL SIN! FORGIVEN. Now. You are Free. You are NO LONGER under the curse of Adam. IF you believe you are STILL under Adam, then JESUS FAILED and you are still in your sins and no salvation is given to you! He rescued you...YOU...from under that bondage, from under that curse, from under Adam. You are now IN CHRIST, sitting with him at the right hand of the Father in your humanity. Jesus is flesh, and you are flesh. Jesus is not ashamed of his flesh, nor should you.
To feed the hungry and clothe the naked is not a law to say all must wear clothing. It is a law of compassion. Where we are told to not ignore the needs of unfortunate and abused people. We are to take care of one another, even our enemies. It is a law of love.
I never said we are to return to the Garden of Eden. That is closed. But what does the garden represent? God sent Adam and Eve out of the garden, but it was more than just a garden. It was God's presence, his "Throne room" if you will. We have been banished to the world, the world of sin. Jesus came and redeemed all and brought humanity back to himself, to his presence. Are you aware that Jesus was naked when he was crucified? Were you aware he was naked when he came out of the tomb? That Jesus was still flesh, still in his humanity, when he rose? Yet he was glorified and restored to his previous glory. Still flesh, yet fully God. He is sitting at the right hand of the Father as flesh, as a human being, glorified.
Now I got a real BIG question for you. You may have stumbled a bit, maybe choked on that sandwich you are eating, but did you notice I said "Jesus was naked"? Yes. And that bothers you? Why? Was Jesus from the Father, or from man? IF he is from the Father and not from man, then Jesus is the "Other Adam", not FROM the original Adam. Therefore, if he was called the "Other Adam" (or Second Adam), then he could NOT have been asked to wear clothing and was not kicked out of the Garden. Therefore, Jesus has NO NEED for clothing, for he has never sinned nor inherited sin. Think about that one. And we are now IN CHRIST. "We live, move and have our being in him", Paul said. Therefore, when Jesus died, we died with him and when he rose, we rose with him. Our humanity is no longer in Adam, but in Christ.
Now...does that mean we must
be naked and being naked pleases God? I never said that. I did say God has no problem with you being naked.
Now, you also said the Devil did not say they were naked. In a sense, you are right. But he corrupted
mans mind and the first thing they decided after being influenced by the devil is to believe
they were naked and started to live in fear! There is no love in fear. They even hid from God! IF God wanted Adam and Eve to be clothed, he would have given them clothes to begin with and told them Himself that they were naked. But God asked "Who told you that you were naked?" which implies God was not the one, so who? Then immediately followed up with "Did you eat of the tree I told you not to eat?" Read that again. Why did God come to the conclusion they must have eaten of that tree when he asked them about being naked? You have to read carefully, not just make quick assumptions. It took me a while to see that, but when I did, it was a huge eye opener for me!
Please read the articles again, especially "The Second Adam
" and "The Book of Romans
". You will find much more details.
Now the last part is confusing:
"Take a step of faith and try to communicate with God about this situation instead of taking the "Internet" as gospel."
First of all, the "internet" is not a gospel anymore than a book is a gospel. The bible is a book, and many books have false information on it, including porn. Does that make the bible wrong because it is in a form of a book? The bible is on the internet, right? Does that make it wrong? Is your church represented on the internet? Do you know pastors you follow that write articles on the internet? Does that make them wrong? Did YOU just wrote your thoughts right here on the internet? Are they false because they are on the internet? Are you false because what I read that you wrote is on the internet? Use logic my friend!
Of course we pray to God. Of course we read the bible. You think I just made this stuff up because it's on the internet?
Isaiah 1:18 "Come, let us reason together..."
BTW, who wear clothes to bed because Jesus might come? I never heard of that one. What if I were taking a shower and was naked when Jesus came? Would he stand around and wait while I quickly cover up? Do you not know that Jesus is with you ALWAYS? Think about that when you are sitting on the toilet or taking a long shower!
We always say that we are Christians first, naturists second.
Again I ask, "If we are created in God's image and likeness, then just what part of God are you ashamed of?"
Now figure this riddle. Why was Jesus baptized?