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Have we any spare troops?

July 2 2007 at 8:36 AM
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(Reuters) - A leading Zimbabwean cleric believes Britain would be justified in invading its former colony in order to rid it of President Robert Mugabe.



Pius Ncube, the Roman Catholic archbishop of Bulawayo, told the Sunday Times the deepening destitution in his country, including millions going hungry and the world's highest inflation rate meant Britain would be right to act.

"I think it is justified for Britain to raid Zimbabwe and remove Mugabe," the paper quoted him as saying.

"We should do it ourselves but there's too much fear. I'm ready to lead the people, guns blazing, but the people are not ready."

Ncube, one of the most outspoken critics of Mugabe, said the president, 83 and in power since 1980, was squandering money while the people starved, saying he had just spent $2 million (996,000 pounds) on surveillance equipment while most struggled along on $2 a week.

"How can you expect people to rise up when even our church services are attended by state intelligence people?" Ncube said.

Zimbabwean government officials were not available for immediate comment on Sunday.

But in the past, Mugabe's government has branded Ncube a Western agent helping to co-ordinate a propaganda campaign against Zimbabwe's ruling ZANU-PF party as part of a drive to oust it from power.

In May, Mugabe dismissed repeated criticism from the country's Catholic bishops as "nonsense" and warned that his government could start treating the clergy as political enemies.

There are around one million Catholics among Zimbabwe's 13 million people.

Once one of the most buoyant economies in southern Africa, with a well-educated population, Zimbabwe's economy is now in ruins, with unemployment of 80 percent and life expectancy tumbling to 37 years for men and 34 years for women.


 
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July 2 2007, 4:34 PM 

I would support a British led attack on Mugabe and Co as long as we
keep a force there for some time to oversee the rebuilding of the land and
ensure that lands stolen are returned. Once the country is back on it's feet and making a profit, we take a cut for our costs. "Democracy" should only be re-intoduced slowly with the promise of a military malleting for anyone who tries a Mugabe.

 
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July 3 2007, 7:59 AM 

After WW2 men who had been serving in the armed forces were subject to recall for the Z reserve duration of the Korean War and the Malaya. This rule included regular and conscripted personel.

Is there no recall for ex-regular service personnel in to-days military, and if so why the shortfall, in available personnel?

Are the service contracts not now on a 12 year cycle ie: 3 year service and nine on reserve or 6and6 or 9and3 years.


 
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July 3 2007, 8:12 AM 


MPs say military stretch could hit operations

By Katherine Baldwin Reuters -

2 hours 56 minutes agoLONDON

(Reuters) - The armed forces, stretched by deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, are suffering shortfalls in personnel that could jeopardise their operating capability, a parliamentary committee said on Tuesday.




More staff are leaving the armed forces early, partly due to the pressures of long tours of duty overseas.

Recruitment is not keeping pace, leading to a shortfall of almost 6,000 personnel or 3.2 percent in April 2007, said parliament's Public Accounts Committee.

The Liberal Democrats, who were against the Iraq war, said the report showed personnel faced an "intolerable burden" and called for a timetable on withdrawal from Iraq.

But the Ministry of Defence said recruitment was strong and rejected the idea of growing personnel shortages.

The committee said the numbers leaving early are at a 10-year peak for Army and Royal Air Force officers. There are more acute shortfalls in specialised areas, notably medical staff, it said.

"The increasing frequency of deployments on overseas operations and time away from home are factors causing people to leave the armed forces," the committee said in a report.

"The impact of continuous downsizing, pressures and overstretch is affecting the (Defence) Department's ability to retain and provide a satisfactory life for armed forces personnel," it added.

"The longer this situation continues the more it will begin to affect operational capability."

Guidelines on how often personnel should be away from home are consistently broken with more than 15 percent of personnel away more than set out in the guidelines, the report said.

More personnel could leave the military if current pressures continue, the parliamentarians warned.

Liberal Democrat defence spokesman Nick Harvey said: "We cannot expect the needs of our armed forces to be adequately met whilst they are faced with overstretch, downsizing and extended tours of duty."

"The time has come to set a timetable for the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq," Harvey added.

Defence Minister Derek Twigg said he accepted the armed forces were "very stretched" but ministers deny "overstretch" since forces continued to do what is asked of them.

"With the drawdown of troops in Bosnia, Northern Ireland and the reductions already made possible in Iraq, some of the pressure should soon start to ease," Twigg added in a statement.

Twigg accepted there were shortages in some specific areas but he said talk of a "peak" in outflow was inaccurate.





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July 3 2007, 11:03 AM 

"Is there no recall for ex-regular service personnel in to-days military, and if so why the shortfall, in available personnel?"

Spot,

There are enforced mobilisations at present (and hasn't been since 2004), but regular trawls are made of Regular Reservists (ex-Regs still on the Reserve list) and TA. At it is peak, between a quarter and a third of all UK Military Personnel in Iraq were reservists (either TA or Reg Reserve).

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July 21 2007, 3:01 AM 

Britain almost out of troops, memo reveals

By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Last Updated: 12:19am BST 21/07/2007

The head of the Army has issued a dire warning that Britain has almost run out of troops to defend the country or fight abroad, a secret document obtained by the Daily Telegraph has revealed.


The memorandum from the CGS

Gen Sir Richard Dannatt has told senior commanders that reinforcements for emergencies or for operations in Iraq or Afghanistan are "now almost non-existent".

In the memorandum to fellow defence leaders, the Chief of the General Staff (CGS) confessed that "we now have almost no capability to react to the unexpected". The "undermanned" Army now has all its units committed to either training for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, on leave or on operations.

There is just one battalion of 500 troops, called the Spearhead Lead Element, available to be used in an emergency, such as a major domestic terrorist attack or a rapid deployment overseas.

Gen Dannatt's comments will come as the first serious test of Gordon Brown's policy on defence.

The new Prime Minister has already faced anger over the decision to give Des Browne, the Defence Secretary, the additional part-time role of Scottish Secretary with Tories labelling the move "an insult to our Armed Forces."

Military leaders have privately suggested that a defence review is essential to examine if more money, equipment and troops are needed.

With Britain's military reserve locker virtually empty, further pressure will mount on President George W Bush to review US troop levels in Iraq after fellow Republicans suggesting significant withdrawals.

It also comes at a time when more forces are needed to combat the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said the lack of reserves was "an appalling situation and damning indictment" of the way the Government handled the Services.


Gen Dannatt: Reinforcements for operations in Iraq or Afghanistan are 'now almost non-existent'

"They are being asked to carry out tasks for which they are neither funded or equipped for. There is an urgent need to review our strategic approach because we cannot continue over-stretching our Forces."

The document said that Britain's second back-up unit, called the Airborne Task Force formed around the Parachute Regiment, was unavailable. It was unable to fully deploy "due to shortages in manpower, equipment and stocks".

Most of the Paras' vehicles and weapons have stayed in Afghanistan with other units using them in intense battles against the Taliban.

Parachute Regiment officers are deeply concerned that with nearly all their equipment abroad they are unable to train properly for future operations.

The Paras also no longer have the ability to parachute as a 600-strong battalion because no RAF planes were available to drop then en-masse, the document said. The situation was unlikely to be resolved until late August.

With the Army significantly under-strength by 3,500 troops – many disillusioned with being constantly on dangerous operations and away from their families – it is now struggling to plug the gaps on the frontline.

"The enduring nature and scale of current operations continues to stretch people," Gen Dannatt wrote.

The Army now needed to "augment" 2,500 troops from other units onto operations in Iraq and Afghanistan to bring up the total force to 13,000 required. This remained "far higher than we ever assumed," the CGS said.

"When this is combined with the effects of under-manning (principally in the infantry and Royal Artillery) and the pace of training support needed to prepare units for operations, the tempo of life in the Field Army is intense."

The Army has also been forced to call up almost 1,000 Territorial Army soldiers for overseas operations. The general's concerns came after three RAF personnel were killed in a mortar or rocket attack on the main British headquarters five miles outside Basra bringing the total dead in Iraq to 162.

With the main force pulling out of Basra city to the air station in the coming months there is concern of increased attacks on the large base where some troops are forced to live in tented accommodation.

A lack of vehicles meant that "training is significantly constrained".

Gen Dannatt was also "concerned" that some equipment, particularly Scimitar light tanks that are vital to fighting in Afghanistan but are 40 years old, "may be at the edge of their sustainability".

More needed to be done on housing and pay in order to retained troops because "people are more likely to stay if we look after them properly".

The pressure on numbers was partially being alleviated by bringing in civilian firms to train soldiers and guard bases and by "adopting a pragmatic approach to risk where possible".

While the current situation was "manageable" Gen Dannatt was "very concerned about the longer term implications of the impact of this level of operations on our people, equipment and future operational capability".

It is not the first time Gen Dannatt has raised concerns on Britain's fighting ability. A few weeks into his job last year, Sir Richard said the military was "running hot" and urged for a national debate on defence.

The plain-speaking officer later suggested that the British presence in Iraq was "exacerbating the security problems" and warned that the Army would "break" if it was kept there too long.

Gen Dannatt, who said manning was "critical" in the Army, called for extra infantry units earlier this month following the devastating cuts inflicted by his predecessor Gen Sir Mike Jackson which saw four battalions axed.

"General Dannatt's appraisal means that we are unable to intervene if there is an emergency in Britain or elsewhere, that's self-evident," a senior officer said.

"But this is a direct result of the decision to go into Afghanistan on the assumption that Iraq would diminish simultaneously. We are now reaping the reward of that assumption."

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July 21 2007, 1:57 PM 

I dare say that the politicians will take the usuall line and bury there heads in the sand.

I have great respect for Gen Dannatt in that he tells it as it is, unlike his predecessor who in my opinioin did more damage to the British Army than anyone since the Army came into being.

I fear for Gen Dannatt as I believe he will end up getting the sack and another political puppet will be given the job.

 
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