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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Love Jesus more than your children, mother, father. View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:28 PM
    1. Tell us what you think. Do you even know what love is? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:18 AM
      1. Do you INCquisitor? Anyway, please just address the issues at the OP, if you will. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:45 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:54 AM
      1. Re: Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:56 PM
        1. Yes, if somebody loves his parents or children more than Jesus, not much love for Jesus. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:15 PM
          1. Come on Tomas. Could you just answer the questions and stop beating around the bush? - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 3:02 AM
            1. I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:00 PM
              1. Re: I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
                1. OK, my answers. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:40 AM
    3. Christ's disciples have only one teacher (Matt. 23:8). - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 10:19 AM
      1. Jesus said "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me". - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:10 AM
        1. Not worthy of Christ means not worthy of salvation. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
    4. Follow HIS command - tumpak on Jul 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
      1. Re: Follow HIS command - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:11 AM
      2. To be a Saint, to be Holy - tumpak on Jul 19, 2015, 7:51 AM
        1. To be a saint? - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 8:38 AM
      3. there was a young protestant - tumpak on Jul 20, 2015, 9:22 AM
        1. I studied the early 'fathers' too, and realized the RCC can't be the one true church. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:24 AM
          1. Do not go beyond what is written - tumpak on Jul 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
     
  2. The "gospel" that the INC preaches every worship service. View Thread - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 2015, 8:38 AM
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  4. When to observe the Pentecost day, if we want to celebrate it. View Thread - Tomas on May 24, 2015, 8:43 PM
    1. Why do you concern yourself with Pentecost day? Are you a Jew? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:22 AM
      1. Christians are not forbidden from celebrating the Pentecost day. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:43 AM
        1. The early Christians were not commanded to celebrate Pentecost. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 7:23 PM
          1. Are we commanded to drive cars or ride bicycles? - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:52 AM
            1. Obviously, you haven't heard about Nadab, Abihu and Ozza. - INCquisitor on Jun 9, 2015, 3:05 PM
              1. Who is Ozza? Misspelled name? It is not in my concordance. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 1:31 PM
                1. You are correct. Should be "Uzza" - not "ozza". Thanks. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 4:33 PM
                  1. So you are referring to 1 Chron. 13:9-10. But that was expressly forbidden. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:50 AM
                    1. Doing a religious thing that does not enhance your chance of salvation is.... - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 2015, 6:18 AM
     
  5. An independent INC in north america View Thread - jimblue on Jul 25, 2015, 11:54 PM
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  7. The gospel of Felix Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ View Thread - Michael on Jun 4, 2015, 4:49 PM
    1. So INC has added more requirements for salvation. Still, they believe in the same gospel - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:39 AM
      1. That's not the way it is Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:41 PM
        1. No, INC also knows that whosoever believes in Him (the Son of God) shall be saved, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 2:10 PM
          1. The issue is about what is the gospel of Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 4:01 AM
            1. I don't actually know what INC teaches is the gospel, I have to admit - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 2:50 PM
              1. So, you say and admit that you don't know the gospel INC preach. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:21 AM
                1. What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:34 AM
     
  8. Jesus proclaimed Himself "Alpha and Omega." I will be their God and they shall be my View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 8, 2014, 5:03 AM
    1. So each can be called Alpha and Omega in some sense. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:50 PM
      1. A comment : Alpha and THE OMEGA. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:19 AM
        1. So Jesus is the Alpha in some sense, while the Father - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
          1. Of course that is how you wanted it. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:41 PM
            1. No, for example, Jesus is the way to the Father, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:15 PM
              1. You seemed to have missed the point of the questions Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:47 PM
                1. Well, you can't interpret the words too literally, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:53 PM
                  1. Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 5:43 AM
                    1. I actually now suspect that alpha and omega is not about time. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:14 AM
                      1. Another speculation now Tomas? Not yet tired of speculating? - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 7:02 AM
                      2. Well, I am quite sure now it can't be about time. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      3. No need to speculate Tomas. Go to scriptures. - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 4:28 AM
                      4. Still, it can't be about time. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:57 PM
                      5. Not really the issue there Tomas. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:36 AM
                      6. Michael, I gave Tomas some help and allies in his quest to disprove that Jesus is God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:40 PM
                      7. Have you never been the last or the first in anything? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:42 PM
                      8. I have Tomas, but not "the first and the last", or "the beginning and the end". - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      9. So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:53 PM
                      10. Re: So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 8:45 PM
                      11. You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      12. Re: You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 12:46 AM
                      13. More about first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      14. Re: More about first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      15. More discussion of first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:50 AM
                      16. Re: More discussion of first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 30, 2015, 7:30 AM
                      17. More about being the first and the last. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:57 AM
                      18. Re: More about being the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 6:50 AM
                      19. More on the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35 PM
                      20. Re: More on the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 14, 2015, 10:58 PM
                      21. And more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 4:05 AM
                      22. Re: And more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      23. Still more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:05 PM
                      24. Re: Still more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 5:56 AM
                      25. The first and the last, and the reasons for differences in belief. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:29 AM
                      26. Sorry, wrong book, the verse about Sunday is 1 Cor. 16:2, - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:04 AM
                      27. Re: The first and the last, and the reasons for differences in belief. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      28. About the nature of Christ, and about God not giving us additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:22 AM
                      29. Re: About the nature of Christ, and about God not giving us additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 6:07 AM
                      30. More about these issues. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 5:09 AM
                      31. Re: More about these issues. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 2:36 AM
                      32. OK, call them false Christians, no big deal. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:25 AM
                      33. Re: OK, call them false Christians, no big deal. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:03 PM
                      34. It is the Bible that gives us the understanding of what it means that Jesus is the Christ - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 5:11 AM
                      35. It is the Bible that declares that Jesus is Christ the Lord, the Son of God, - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:08 PM
                      36. Yes, but it is not the Spirit that gives us understanding on what it means, but the Bible - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 1:02 PM
                      37. Tomas, if you say you have the HS, what does it do in you? - Michael on May 24, 2015, 5:28 AM
                      38. The HS indwells me and strengthens me. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      39. Re: The HS indwells me and strengthens me. - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 8:33 PM
                      40. The word 'spiritual' often means 'religious', since religion affects our spirits. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:04 AM
                      41. You really haven't quite answered the questions Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      42. Tomas, how does the HS strengthens you? - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 8:41 PM
                      43. The HS provides supernatural influence to strengthen us against committing - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:53 AM
                      44. Supernatural influence? - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
                      45. The HS is not part of nature. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:47 PM
                      46. Re: The HS is not part of nature. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 1:13 AM
                      47. What we can know about the HS, and what is still veiled from us about him. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 12:27 PM
                      48. Re: What we can know about the HS, and what is still veiled from us about him. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 1:12 AM
                      49. Was I not clear? - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:11 AM
          2. Tomas, is Jesus just one among the many Christ then? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:42 PM
            1. No, in that case the Christ means the one unique Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:18 PM
              1. So, "the Christ" denotes "no other Christ", right? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 4:26 PM
                1. In this case, yes, the only true Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:05 PM
                  1. That's right, even when scriptures does not speak of Christ as the "only" true Christ. - Michael on Nov 12, 2014, 7:00 PM
                    1. For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:02 PM
                      1. Re: For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      2. See our discussion above. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:59 PM
                      3. Here is some help for you, Tomas. Jesus is not even the Alpha and the Omega. So you are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:18 PM
                      4. Interesting article from a weird church. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 2:32 PM
                      5. You didn't notice my sarcasm. Too bad. That weird church is as weird us you. Just in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 3:35 PM
                      6. Not much in common with them. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      7. Don't even try to deny. Their "Word was a god" is also your weird religion. Nazism wasn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:19 PM
                      8. No, they say the Word is some important words of God. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:37 PM
                      9. You're wrong, as usual. Their Bible says "And the Word was a god." - same as you. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:32 PM
                      10. You mean that small church translated the whole Bible? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:56 PM
                      11. It seems like you don't believe me. I also have never heard before they said "divine" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:26 PM
                      12. You are giving me the web site of Jehovah's Witnesses. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:33 PM
                      13. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      14. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      15. It is true the JWs made a fatal error in stuffing the name Jehovah into - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:02 AM
                      16. LOL..a good translation by trashing Jesus? You're in good company! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:56 PM
                      17. Where did they trash Jesus? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
                      18. JW is trashing Jesus. You're defending them. So you are trashing Jesus too. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:42 AM
                      19. OK, JWs are in a way trashing Jesus by claiming he was resurrected not - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      20. You just make me laugh with your excuses. I'm getting tired of you. End of discussion. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      21. Excuses? I did not excuse them. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:17 PM
      2. Here comes the "Jesus was created" fantasy again! A child called mighty God was prophesied - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:23 AM
        1. That long name in Isaiah was not titles for Jesus. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
          1. Only an antitrinitarian like you can assume that there is a second father in the Godhead. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 14, 2015, 9:11 PM
            1. I have read a number of Trinitarians claiming all the titles - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:06 PM
              1. As I told you before, you're listening to people and not the word of God, the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:26 PM
                1. I listen to the Bible of course. But some verses are difficult, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:12 PM
                  1. Sounds so innocent, but I haven't seen you change your mind here in 6 or 7 years but once. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:15 PM
                    1. Michael convinced me of several things. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:13 PM
                      1. OK...I can't feel buts ad about your attitude. You totally omitted the important errors of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:57 PM
                      2. I might be still wrong about some minor things. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:08 AM
                      3. Saved by faith is going beyond the Bible? Only in your fantasy. You believe what Muslims - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      4. We are saved by faith, but not by faith in the additional teachings - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      5. If Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus has the nature of His Father, the nature of God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03 PM
                      6. God is omnipotent, so if he wants, he is able to sire a Son - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:19 PM
                      7. and you are not sure if Jesus is a god or God! - 9Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:17 AM
                      8. Jesus is a god, and he might be God. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:39 PM
          2. You might consider the name in Matthew 28:19 as a long name - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:50 AM
            1. I don't take the word 'name' in that verse literally, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:23 PM
              1. So, Tomas, what is this name to you? - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Not literally a name. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:39 PM
                  1. So, for you "name" in Matthew 28:19 refers to authority. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:37 PM
    2. One God and One Lord. Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord is our God. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
      1. Zech. 13:9 is what God spoke to our fathers by the prophets (Heb. 1:1). - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:53 PM
    3. The one who sat on the throne (Rev. 21:5) - not Jesus spoke Rev. 21:6. - INCquisitor on Oct 21, 2014, 5:24 PM
    4. A Trinitarian who cannot rightly divide the word of truth. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:39 AM
      1. Howdy again. I'm glad you realized that both the Lord God and Jesus said the same about - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 2:27 PM
        1. That only shows how closed your mind is! - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:49 PM
          1. Comon, I'm being nice to you and you're getting ugly. Is that the love Jesus was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:54 PM
            1. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and Jews liars. - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 4:44 AM
              1. Why are you afraid to consult an English language scholar? Afraid of the truth? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:12 AM
                1. The English language scholar you consult has messed up your brain! - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 7:35 PM
                  1. You're just repeating your fallacies. That doesn't make them the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:08 PM
                    1. Who is an "idiot?" - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 3:55 AM
                      1. LOL, you can't help yourself and dig your hole even deeper. The ratio of Trinitarians to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 11:10 AM
                      2. To a perfectly normal person, Trinity = 3 Gods. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      3. You will remain a perfect idiot for the rest of your life. You still argue like an INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 10:03 PM
                      4. Trinity is not Tritheism. Consult your dictionaries INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:35 AM
                      5. No matter how you or the dictionary define Trinity, the TRUTH is... - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 3:53 AM
                      6. So now you trash the dictionary as well. I wonder why you use it though. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      7. The dictionary defines "trinity" according to Christian dogma. - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 5:40 PM
                      8. It defines it not as to mean of three Gods INCquisitor. Now compare that with Tritheism. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      9. Michael, you cannot reasonably argue with an idiot like INCqusitor. I admire your patience - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 9:21 AM
                      10. You feel so superior, so when INCquisitor disagrees with you, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:45 PM
                      11. I don't call INCquisitor an idiot because of his beliefs. I am calling him an idiot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:33 PM
                      12. Well, my Father never learned English grammar well, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 9:30 PM
                      13. You're comparing apple with oranges. Good grammar is not depending on knowing a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      14. So, Guenter, you too are a refugee from Communism? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:32 AM
                      15. Your belief that Trinity is NOT 3 Gods is idiotic! - INCquisitor on Jan 25, 2015, 6:11 AM
                      16. You will die in your sins. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 PM
                      17. how about your belief? - Karlos on Jan 29, 2015, 6:17 AM
                      18. You don't believe God is a Triad? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
                      19. Tomas think that a triad is the same as Trinity. - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      20. Go study some Greek. In Greek, that is how they call Trinity. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:42 PM
                      21. Somehow this ends when the truth sends him away, as apparently many times in this forum - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:59 PM
                      22. If INCquisitor refuses to take some grammar lessons, nothing will help him to not die in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:00 PM
     
  9. In relation to John 17:1-3, does not the Jews know who the true God is? View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 12:49 PM
    1. Why would the ancient Jews know? Many of them still believed in false gods. You need to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 15, 2015, 6:36 PM
      1. So, you believe that Jews in the time of Jesus at least, don't know who the true God is? - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:21 PM
        1. I bet, some knew. Others still believed in a multitude of gods. All of them didn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2015, 1:12 PM
          1. It's not if they believe in a multitude of gods or not Guenter. - Michael on Jun 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
            1. You need to look at the entire prayer. "...that they MAY know you...". Some Jews believed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2015, 8:24 AM
              1. You need to look at the issue in this thread. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:13 AM
    2. Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 8:46 AM
      1. Re: Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:07 AM
        1. I don't believe that all Jews who ever lived will be saved. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 8:44 AM
     
  10. WHO IS SATAN TEMPTING IN MATTHEW 4:6? READ AND SEE THE SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS TRUTH. View Thread - Michael on May 25, 2015, 7:57 PM
    1. Friends, know the truth, and the truth will set you free. - Michael on May 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
    2. Jesus, the man, of course! Do you know of any other? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:19 AM
      1. Glad that you understand that it is Jesus whom Satan was tempting, INCquisitor. - Michael on May 29, 2015, 11:07 PM
        1. Yes, so Jesus was not supposed to tempt God by falling from the temple - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:41 AM
          1. Can't you see, the truth shuts INCquisitor up again. - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:59 AM
            1. So INCquisitor has left again, but I have returned to this forum from the other one. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 2:23 PM
              1. Your excuse is not far from INCquisitor's excuse. - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:35 PM
                1. Not an excuse, but biblical analysis. So INCquisitor just hasn't gotten as far as I, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:24 AM
                  1. So then, analyze, in connection with the issue. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 12:04 PM
                    1. OK, more analysis. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:23 PM
                      1. Re: OK, more analysis. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 5:06 AM
                      2. Clearly you have some truth about verse 9. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 9:37 AM
                      3. Re: Clearly you have some truth about verse 9. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      4. Nobody there tested Yahweh. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 8:07 AM
        2. In Matt. 4:6 Satan was tempting Jesus to throw himself down. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 6:54 PM
          1. Yes, it was Jesus whom Satan was tempting. See Matt. 4:1 - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:06 PM
            1. Satan was tempting Jesus to show his powers as Son of God. - INCquisitor on Jun 2, 2015, 4:33 PM
              1. INCquisitor, If that were the case then, what was the temptation for? - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Why don't you ask Satan? - INCquisitor on Jun 9, 2015, 3:07 PM
                  1. Am I not asking you? - Michael on Jun 10, 2015, 8:37 PM
                    1. You are fond of speculaton, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Jun 13, 2015, 7:13 PM
                      1. And you're fond of evading simple questions, aren't you? - Michael on Jun 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
     
  11. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                      4. Beginning of creation? You're adding to the scriptures. That's a no no. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      5. I gave you verses proving he was created. If you don't believe me, OK, - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
                      6. no Tomas, before creation there was no time as we know of it! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      7. So give me a verse to prove it. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:02 PM
                      8. so now you want a verse that prove God has no beggining nor end? - Karlos on Mar 15, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      9. No, I know God has no beginning nor end. I want a verse - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:08 AM
                      10. I am talking about OUR time as we know it! - Karlos on Mar 21, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      11. But I see no indication in the Bible that before creation, time somehow flew differently - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      12. I am not implying anything, you are. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:39 AM
                      13. Why would God's time in eternity be different than - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      14. I don't want to repeat my explanation about time and spiritual body, I've done that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:57 AM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
                      7. He was a god but could be God too. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      8. If He was a god, he never could be God. Either He is the only true God, or a god of many. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      9. He can be both. And you misspell the en, you have final sigma - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      10. Time existed only at the moment of creation as we understood the meaning of time - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      11. Tomas has nothing but assumptions, "coulds", "maybes" etc. because he believes i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 12, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      12. Karlos, why wouldn't time be eternal? Do you have a verse - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
                      13. prove to me with any versebthat the time we know now is the same time... - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      14. Since I see no verse to the contrary, I assume that time before creation was just like - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:06 AM
                      15. again Tomas, God cannot create a creature that can be God! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      16. Why can't God grow, create additional persons within himself? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
                      17. Yes, I know that Tomas. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 5:58 AM
                      18. You know that one who has no uncertainties will be surprised? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      19. Uncertainties denotes doubt. With faith, there are no uncertainties. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      20. No uncertainties about anything? But you admitted you don't know everything about God. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:23 AM
                      21. Knowing and being certain that Christ is God does not mean knowing everything about God. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      22. Yes. But I feel sure that to be certain that Christ is God is going beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:15 PM
                      23. Well, that is the way it is then for you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      24. Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      25. Re: Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      26. Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:55 AM
                      27. Re: Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      28. But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:13 AM
                      29. Re: But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      30. It would be revelation of how to understand the verses. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:33 AM
                      31. Tomas, understanding is different from revelation. Understanding is not revelation. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:39 PM
                      32. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:10 AM
                      33. Re: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      34. Understanding cannot come without words. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      35. I disagree Tomas. One can have understanding about God through His creation. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
                      36. Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      37. Re: Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      38. Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:53 AM
                      39. Re: Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      40. Nobody on this earth, no matter how mature, has perfect, infallible understanding of Bible - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 7:53 AM
     
  12. Tomas: On Matthew 28:19, a continuation.... View Thread - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:35 PM
    1. OK, Matt. 28:19 compared to other verses. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:30 AM
      1. So, how does Matthew 28:19 compare to other verses Tomas? - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 7:21 AM
        1. Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:22 AM
          1. Re: Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
            1. They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:39 AM
              1. Re: They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Michael on Apr 6, 2015, 9:17 AM
                1. So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:22 AM
                  1. Re: So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Michael on Apr 14, 2015, 6:23 PM
                    1. Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:38 AM
                      1. Re: Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:13 AM
                      2. They sure didn't. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:01 AM
                      3. Water baptism is the symbolic (visible) act of the invisible HS baptism. You cannot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 5, 2015, 7:00 AM
                      4. I know there are churches like Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, who believe as you - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      5. Re: They sure didn't. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 6:51 PM
                      6. No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 6:04 AM
                      7. Re: No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 10:53 AM
                      8. They sure din't, at all. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 2:03 PM
                      9. Re: They sure din't, at all. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:35 PM
                      10. Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      11. Re: Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:32 AM
                      12. My assumptions are truth, because they are based exactly on biblical truth. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:57 AM
     
 
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