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  1. Love Jesus more than your children, mother, father. View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:28 PM
    1. Tell us what you think. Do you even know what love is? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:18 AM
      1. Do you INCquisitor? Anyway, please just address the issues at the OP, if you will. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:45 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:54 AM
      1. Re: Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:56 PM
        1. Yes, if somebody loves his parents or children more than Jesus, not much love for Jesus. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:15 PM
          1. Come on Tomas. Could you just answer the questions and stop beating around the bush? - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 3:02 AM
            1. I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:00 PM
              1. Re: I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
                1. OK, my answers. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:40 AM
                  1. Re: OK, my answers. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:58 PM
                    1. That would be a terrible sin. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:58 AM
                      1. Why do you say it is a terrible sin? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:53 AM
                      2. Mt. 10:37. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:20 AM
                      3. A terrible sin you say, yet you haven't shown a commandment that was disobeyed. - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      4. Mt. 10:37 implies the commandment. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:23 AM
                      5. Re: Mt. 10:37 implies the commandment. - Michael on Sep 27, 2015, 10:37 AM
                      6. Regardless of reasons, we are clearly commanded to love him. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2015, 6:44 PM
                      7. The issue is why such a statement? Every messenger of God commands people to love God. - Michael on Sep 27, 2015, 9:59 PM
                      8. Yes, and in the New Testament we are commanded to love Jesus too. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 8:22 PM
                      9. The point is, no messenger sent of God points to themselves, moreso to love them greatly - Michael on Sep 30, 2015, 11:55 AM
                      10. Jesus is a messenger too, see Mal. 3:1. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:07 AM
                      11. Sure He is. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 6:11 AM
                      12. Jesus is special. He is not like normal human messengers. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 6:25 AM
                      13. And keep on going about evading the real issue Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 8:28 AM
                      14. OK, I will try to address every issue there that you raised. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 11:16 AM
                      15. I'd appreciate that. - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 8:00 PM
                      16. Jesus says what the Father tells him to say. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:17 AM
                      17. Re: Jesus says what the Father tells him to say. - Michael on Oct 15, 2015, 8:06 AM
                      18. Jesus obeys the Father's will. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:49 AM
                      19. Did Jesus said nothing or did nothing on his own and out of his own intention and accord? - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:26 AM
                      20. so Jesus is nothing but an avatar or robot? sad, so sad! - Nom on Oct 15, 2015, 8:41 AM
                      21. Not a robot, just an obedient person, just like the good angels. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:53 AM
                      22. If so, then Jesus do things on His own accord. - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      23. Sure on his own accord, but always in obedience to his Father. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      24. So, it's settled then. Jesus does things on His own accord. - Michael on Jan 7, 2016, 11:22 AM
                      25. Yes, just like the good angels, in obedience to the Father. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 5:16 AM
                      26. Re: Yes, just like the good angels, in obedience to the Father. - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 4:32 AM
                      27. The love of God the Father and the love of his Son are equal. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
                      28. Of course they are, and are always equal. Not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Jan 25, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      29. Well, the Father did not lay down his life for us (unless he is the Christ). - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 3:14 AM
                      30. Re: Well, the Father did not lay down his life for us (unless he is the Christ). - Michael on May 9, 2016, 7:36 AM
                      31. About qualities being infinite, about forgiveness, about glory. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:44 PM
                      32. Re: About qualities being infinite, about forgiveness, about glory. - Michael on May 16, 2016, 9:06 AM
                      33. More about qualities being infinite, also forgiveness, and glory. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 6:12 PM
                      34. Re: More about qualities being infinite, also forgiveness, and glory. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 9:03 AM
                      35. More about infinite qualities, forgiveness, glory. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 10:39 AM
                      36. Re: More about infinite qualities, forgiveness, glory. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
                      37. And more about infinite qualities, forgiveness, and glory. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 1:57 PM
                      38. Re: And more about infinite qualities, forgiveness, and glory. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 3:46 AM
                      39. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 AM
                      40. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 11:15 AM
                      41. About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 9:15 PM
                      42. Re: About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jul 16, 2016, 10:04 PM
                      43. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 11:14 PM
                      44. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 9:36 AM
                      45. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, etc. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 2:46 AM
                      46. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, etc. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 3:26 AM
                      47. Infinite qualities of angels, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 7:52 PM
                      48. Re: Infinite qualities of angels, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 1:53 AM
                      49. About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      50. Re: About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Sep 15, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      51. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 1:13 AM
                      52. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 3:36 AM
    3. Christ's disciples have only one teacher (Matt. 23:8). - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 10:19 AM
      1. Jesus said "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me". - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:10 AM
        1. Not worthy of Christ means not worthy of salvation. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
          1. INCquisitor, here is the issue under this thread (See the OP). So quit deviating. - Michael on Sep 28, 2015, 4:12 AM
    4. Follow HIS command - tumpak on Jul 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
      1. Re: Follow HIS command - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:11 AM
      2. To be a Saint, to be Holy - tumpak on Jul 19, 2015, 7:51 AM
        1. To be a saint? - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 8:38 AM
      3. there was a young protestant - tumpak on Jul 20, 2015, 9:22 AM
        1. I studied the early 'fathers' too, and realized the RCC can't be the one true church. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:24 AM
          1. Do not go beyond what is written - tumpak on Jul 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
            1. Paul was referring to all the books of the Bible, including those not written yet - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:02 AM
            2. the Bible??? - tumpak on Aug 10, 2015, 5:47 AM
              1. Yes, Tumpak, the whole Bible, whatever is written, 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:22 AM
              2. where is your prove that Paul was referring to the - tumpak on Aug 17, 2015, 8:15 AM
                1. Not to go beyond what is written. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 8:04 AM
                2. Paul says "...what is written" - tumpak on Aug 25, 2015, 9:07 AM
                  1. When he wrote 'what is written', most of the Bible already had been written, - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:26 AM
                  2. it's a saying - tumpak on Sep 14, 2015, 1:39 AM
                    1. Had Paul written "beyond what was written", then he could not write anything more - Tomas on Sep 19, 2015, 9:12 AM
                  3. Re: Paul says "...what is written" - tumpak on Oct 15, 2015, 3:01 AM
                    1. Paul did not have the whole Bible yet, but he knew it would be completed. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 10:02 AM
            3. What is your answer to your question Tumpak? - Michael on Aug 10, 2015, 11:31 AM
     
  2. What is the IQ of an apple? View Thread - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 8:59 AM
    1. Re: What is the IQ of an apple? - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 6:45 PM
      1. So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 7:04 PM
        1. Re: So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 7:45 PM
        2. Re: So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - year2027 on Jan 17, 2016, 5:32 AM
          1. Roy, perhaps you did. - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:41 PM
        3. Why Tomas, do you preach the gospel to animals? - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
          1. No, I was just reacting to his claim that plants have intelligence. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2016, 11:08 PM
            1. Consider this biblical passage concerning other created things which includes the plants - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 5:36 PM
              1. But the whole creation would include not only things like plants, but also - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 11:28 AM
                1. That's right, all creation, including everything. - Michael on Jan 31, 2016, 9:29 AM
                  1. Winds and sea don't consciously obey Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 31, 2016, 6:18 PM
                    1. As we currently understand it. - Michael on Feb 3, 2016, 3:34 AM
                      1. Intelligence of non-living objects would mean animism. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 6:50 AM
                      2. Perhaps, 'intelligence' or 'awareness' different from what we understand today. - Michael on Feb 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
                      3. OK, I missed the earlier mention of waiting in verse 19. Anyway, it is not meant literally - Tomas on Feb 20, 2016, 8:03 PM
                      4. Literally or figuratively, either way, all creation waits, and - Michael on Feb 21, 2016, 6:47 PM
                      5. I understand it figuratively. There is no brain or nerves or anything like that in stones, - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:10 PM
                      6. I can see that. - Michael on Mar 1, 2016, 8:59 PM
                      7. Yes, that is what I believe. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:13 PM
                      8. Re: Yes, that is what I believe. - Michael on May 18, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      9. Being subjected to futility. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 4:39 PM
                      10. Re: Being subjected to futility. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 9:15 AM
                      11. What is all subjected to futility. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 10:12 AM
                      12. Re: What is all subjected to futility. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
                      13. About the futility. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 4:54 PM
                      14. Re: About the futility. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 9:15 AM
                      15. My beliefs about the futility and why I disagree with you. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 5:42 PM
                      16. God never created something useless and without purpose - Michael on Jun 6, 2016, 12:13 PM
                      17. Yes, even dangerous viruses have some purpose, if only to make us ill or to kill us. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 4:42 PM
                      18. Re: Yes, even dangerous viruses have some purpose, if only to make us ill or to kill us. - Michael on Jun 17, 2016, 7:48 AM
                      19. About futility, and about Adam and Eve not dying. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:08 AM
                      20. Re: About futility, and about Adam and Eve not dying. - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 5:16 AM
                      21. About futility, about hope. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 9:49 PM
                      22. Re: About futility, about hope. - Michael on Jul 16, 2016, 1:47 AM
                      23. Then what do you mean by corruption? - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 8:30 PM
                      24. Decay - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 6:31 AM
                      25. About decay - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 11:47 PM
                      26. Re: About decay - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 4:51 AM
                      27. About decay. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:06 PM
                      28. Re: About decay. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:32 AM
                      29. More about decay. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 8:58 PM
                      30. Re: More about decay. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 8:46 AM
                      31. Decay, loss of salvation. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:38 PM
                      32. Re: Decay, loss of salvation. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:25 AM
                      33. Loss of salvation. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 6:02 PM
                      34. Re: Loss of salvation. - Michael on Sep 15, 2016, 9:34 PM
                      35. Loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 1:37 AM
                      36. Re: Loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 3:05 AM
    2. Someday perhaps, scientist would find a way, if there is such thing as IQ for an apple. - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
      1. Re: Someday perhaps, scientist would find a way, if there is such thing as IQ for an apple. - year2027 on Jan 20, 2016, 5:25 PM
        1. Roy, read this biblical passage concerning other created things which includes the plants - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 5:46 PM
     
  3. For Tomas only: Verses that speaks of Christ's Deity. View Thread - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 3:51 AM
    1. the Logos was divine - tf on Aug 22, 2014, 3:31 AM
      1. Finally TF had a voice again. The Logos was divine. So? - Michael on Aug 22, 2014, 2:34 PM
        1. it was not me who admitted this truth - tf on Aug 25, 2014, 4:05 AM
          1. So TF, what now? - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
            1. so what now?? - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 3:53 AM
              1. Tell us what you and INC say and not what others say. That's what. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
                1. stop crying... - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
                  1. How can theos mean divine as adjective? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:02 AM
                    1. Re: How can theos mean divine as adjective? - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:17 PM
                      1. I am surprised those two Greek grammarians did not know - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
                      2. This is not the first example in which INC falls for (or better: takes advantage of) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:09 PM
                      3. According to Tomas "a god" appears in many verses of the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 4, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      4. Well, sometimes in Greek there is just no definite article - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:37 AM
                      5. Cause of disharmony in the Bible: "a god" Why would I waste any more time with you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:49 AM
                      6. Have you heard of this? - Wayne on Feb 5, 2016, 12:21 AM
                      7. Qualitative nouns means nouns referring to some quality. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 6:40 AM
                      8. "the predicate noun can define or describe the subject noun" - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      9. Adjectives can describe too, just like nouns can describe. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 11:17 AM
                      10. You put "a" before "god" so that's no longer anarthrous - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 4:33 PM
                      11. It is not anarthous in English, but it is anarthous in ancient Greek. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 7:39 PM
                      12. "The word was a god" is it the same as "A god was the word"???? - Wayne on Mar 25, 2016, 6:12 PM
                      13. In English, to put a god in the beginning, that would make it the subject of the sentence. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 5:59 AM
                  2. Stand up on your own feet TF. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:51 AM
    2. Why "For Tomas only?" - INCquisitor on Aug 25, 2014, 6:22 PM
      1. This was coming from one of our discussion in another thread. - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 9:49 PM
      2. Herr Incquisitor, you are a New Yorker. Are you pals with this male New Yorker? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 26, 2014, 6:43 PM
        1. Welcome to this forum. Is Pellien now in New York? - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:56 AM
    3. Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:11 AM
      1. So verse John 1:1 is best translated "... and the Word was a god". - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:18 AM
        1. No, I am not JW, even though I started my Bible study with them. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
      2. Re: Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Michael on Sep 9, 2014, 12:39 AM
        1. About the Word, and the word. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:52 AM
          1. Re: About the Word, and the word. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 7:55 AM
            1. About a god, the Word of life. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 11:22 AM
              1. Re: About a god, the Word of life. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 4:42 AM
                1. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:25 PM
                  1. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:10 AM
                  2. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:31 AM
                    1. Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
                      1. Re: Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:22 PM
                      2. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:57 PM
                      3. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:32 PM
                      4. Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 8:11 PM
                      5. Re: Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      6. Seems to me you keep jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. Seems to me Tomas, that's all you can seem to say. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 7:40 AM
                      8. No, on many doctrines I agree with you. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      9. Do you Tomas? - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 8:27 AM
                      10. Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      11. Re: Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Michael on Feb 6, 2015, 9:27 AM
                      12. about truth, lake of fire, inheritance - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 3:07 AM
                      13. Ok - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 5:55 AM
                      14. God is not sadistic, so conscious eternal torment would not please him. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:37 AM
                      15. And who is saying God is? - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 10:51 AM
                      16. Would God create conscious eternal torment, and it would not please him? Then why do it? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:14 AM
                      17. God desires all men to be saved and not suffer the curse that sin brings. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 4:55 AM
                      18. Of course. But he knows some will not be saved, and he would not want for them conscious - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 9:25 AM
                      19. God does not desire anything like that for anyone. It was man's choice. - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
                      20. Wow, it would take an extreme masochist, to actually want to suffer eternal torment. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 2:32 PM
                      21. Are you now saying that it is God who wanted them to have eternal death? - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 9:02 PM
                      22. If they refuse to have faith or repent, to the end, then no more hope for them, - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 10:13 PM
                      23. So, who wants them to have eternal death? Is it God or is it themselves who reject Christ? - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      24. God will want that. Now He wants them saved. I'm not aware of anyone wanting eternal death - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 7:50 PM
                      25. So, Tomas you believe that God wanted that all along. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 9:50 PM
                      26. God knows some will not be saved. But now he wants all saved anyway. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 5:29 PM
                      27. Of course God knows all things, Tomas. But knowing and wanting are two different things. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 6:35 PM
                      28. That's my point, they are different, God knows all but now wants all to be saved. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
                      29. Who says what and when is a punishment just Tomas? You? - Michael on Feb 19, 2016, 6:58 PM
                      30. God does, through the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2016, 8:22 PM
                      31. That's right. Not you, nor anyone, for that matter. - Michael on Feb 21, 2016, 6:34 PM
                      32. But I believe what God says. Your belief about it is not in harmony with God's word. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:58 PM
                      33. Of course that's what you'll say. - Michael on Feb 29, 2016, 3:45 PM
                      34. Because that is what I believe the Bible says. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      35. Right. That is what you think what the Bible says. But it's not what the Bible says. - Michael on Mar 20, 2016, 5:21 AM
                      36. You skipped answering some sections. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 6:16 AM
                      37. Re: You skipped answering some sections. - Michael on May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
                      38. Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      39. Re: Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 5:36 AM
                      40. More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 9:28 PM
                      41. Re: More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 5:26 AM
                      42. Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 8:35 PM
                      43. Re: Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 2:03 AM
                      44. Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 7:50 AM
                      45. Re: Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
                      46. Being dead now, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 7:27 PM
                      47. Re: Being dead now, lake of fire. - Michael on Jul 19, 2016, 12:20 PM
                      48. What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 7:12 PM
                      49. Re: What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 5:28 AM
                      50. Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 7:05 PM
                      51. Re: Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 8:58 PM
                      52. Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 21, 2016, 12:28 AM
                      53. Re: Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      54. Judgments, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 3:17 AM
                      55. Re: Judgments, and time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 31, 2016, 8:27 AM
                      56. Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 9:47 PM
                      57. Re: Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 5:07 AM
                      58. More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      59. Re: More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 9:49 PM
                      60. And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 10:52 PM
                      61. Re: And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 2:28 AM
    4. Up for Michael, since you Michael wanted to discuss the lake of fire on separate thread. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:52 AM
    5. Up for Michael. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 7:02 AM
    6. Up again for Michael. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 3:30 AM
     
  4. Do you really want to know Jesus? Part II View Thread - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 5:02 AM
    1. The translation of Heb. 1:8 is controversial. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 5:06 PM
      1. Re: The translation of Heb. 1:8 is controversial. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:05 AM
        1. I did study Heb. 1:8-9, in the Greek. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:40 PM
          1. And your there is your bias suggestion to translate it which does not make Christ God. - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 9:40 PM
            1. I am using a translation which is in harmony with the rest of the Bible. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2016, 12:46 AM
              1. Perhaps, more precisely, in harmony with your take of scriptures. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 2:46 AM
                1. I believe my take is right and your take on this is in error. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 7:09 PM
                  1. Re: I believe my take is right and your take on this is in error. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 1:48 AM
                    1. I think the Son was the co-creator. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 11:20 PM
                      1. Re: I think the Son was the co-creator. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:36 PM
                      2. Even if the Son is co-creator, then Is. 44:24 is right. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      3. Re: Even if the Son is co-creator, then Is. 44:24 is right. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
                      4. Seems like you did not understand me. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 1:28 AM
                      5. Re: Seems like you did not understand me. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:57 AM
                      6. Creation is not mentioned in Is. 44:24. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:27 PM
                      7. Re: Creation is not mentioned in Is. 44:24. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 1:14 AM
                      8. Heb. 1:10. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:07 PM
                      9. Re: Heb. 1:10. - Michael on Sep 20, 2016, 7:51 AM
                      10. More about Heb. 1:10. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:21 PM
                      11. Re: More about Heb. 1:10. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:39 AM
     
  5. Tomas, INCquisitor and others: Who will come and appear? View Thread - Michael on Jul 23, 2016, 1:25 PM
    1. Jesus will come back, and the Father will come too. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:20 PM
      1. Re: Jesus will come back, and the Father will come too. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:42 AM
        1. Sure they will both appear. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 10:56 AM
          1. Do you realize what it means to "APPEAR"? - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 11:13 AM
            1. Yes, to become seen. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:05 PM
              1. How will you see an invisible God Tomas? - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:40 AM
                1. The Father is able to make himself visible. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:37 PM
                  1. Re: The Father is able to make himself visible. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 3:01 AM
                    1. The Father indeed made himself visible to Abraham. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      1. Re: The Father indeed made himself visible to Abraham. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
                      2. Yes, Abraham saw the Father. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:15 PM
                      3. Re: Yes, Abraham saw the Father. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 9:36 AM
                      4. No one has seen the Father in his full glory. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 2:17 AM
                      5. Re: No one has seen the Father in his full glory. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 3:15 AM
                      6. 1 Tim. 6:16 is not inadequately written, but you can't take it so literally. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 6:27 PM
                      7. Re: 1 Tim. 6:16 is not inadequately written, but you can't take it so literally. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      8. No verse is inadequately written. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      9. Re: No verse is inadequately written. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 4:17 AM
                      10. I guess you are right, at that time we will see him in full glory. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 12:19 AM
                      11. Re: I guess you are right, at that time we will see him in full glory. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
    2. Only Jesus will come and appear on judgment day. - INCquisitor on Aug 28, 2016, 8:37 AM
      1. Titus 2:13 is spurious? Have any proof? - Michael on Aug 30, 2016, 10:45 AM
        1. Titus 2:13 is spurious in comparison with other scriptures. - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 8:22 AM
          1. I'm not at all surprise, for this is the only way you always go regarding a lot of verses. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:08 AM
            1. "Him" in 1 John 2:29 refers to God - NOT Jesus. - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 7:04 PM
              1. Re: "Him" in 1 John 2:29 refers to God - NOT Jesus. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:28 PM
     
  6. FEAR and LOVE. To INCquisitor. Others are welcome. View Thread - Michael on Jul 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
    1. We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:43 PM
      1. Re: We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:25 AM
        1. Yes, we can lose salvation. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:27 PM
          1. Re: Yes, we can lose salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:36 AM
            1. One has to be careful not to jump to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:49 PM
              1. What jumping into conclusions are you talking about? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:43 AM
                1. You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
                  1. Re: You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:51 PM
                    1. There is no fear in love, but it has to be interpreted. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:19 PM
                      1. Finally, you believe in scriptures and accept that there is no fear in love. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
                      2. Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
                      3. Re: Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:10 AM
                      4. We are not perfect yet. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      5. That what you bleiev and say, contrary to what scriptures say. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      6. Can any human be without any fears? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      7. Re: Can any human be without any fears? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      8. Your focus does not seem to work. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:33 PM
                      9. Re: Your focus does not seem to work. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
     
  7. INCquisitor, is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, a false God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 3, 2015, 9:50 AM
    1. Jesus is a FALSE God to people who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 4, 2015, 4:05 AM
      1. Do you know of anyone mentioned in scriptures said to believe that Jesus Christ is God? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 3:47 AM
        1. Scriptures do not speak of trinity nor Trinitarians who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 5:20 AM
          1. Scriptures don't speak of binitarians or modalists who believed Christ is God, but - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 6:18 AM
            1. And Tomas, are you still immersed in possibilities, and not in truth? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 10:15 AM
              1. In truth revealed in the Bible, and in possibilities where truth is not revealed. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                1. That's right. In possibilities, not truths. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 7:46 PM
                  1. I believe in all the truths revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:51 AM
                    1. That's good Tomas. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 7:09 PM
                      1. Can we know who the Son is? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
                      2. I don't know about you. Peter did. And I, and many others do. - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      3. Peter did not know if the Son is God. Neither do you, even though you think you know. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 9:22 PM
                      4. What you asked was this "Can we know WHO the Son is?" - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 5:48 AM
                      5. We don't know who the Son is ultimately. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 12:32 AM
                      6. You and many others perhaps, but not the children of God. - Michael on Jan 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      7. Neither do we, the children of God, know. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 6:55 AM
                      8. Only to you Tomas, not to me. - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 7:31 AM
                      9. You think you know, but you are misguided in this. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
                      10. I am not Tomas. Scriptures is my guide. You are. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      11. You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:18 AM
                      12. Re: You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 8:50 AM
                      13. Yes, and scriptures guide us to lots of truths. But of course not all truth. Some truths - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:07 PM
                      14. The OT (some truths) were for sometime with the Israelites, yet still have not seen some.. - Michael on May 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
                      15. There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 5:38 PM
                      16. Re: There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 11:44 AM
                      17. About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 1:55 PM
                      18. Re: About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
                      19. About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
                      20. Re: About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 2:33 PM
                      21. About the various issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 6:29 PM
                      22. Re: About the various issues. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 10:16 AM
                      23. About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 5:36 PM
                      24. Re: About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 10:07 AM
                      25. More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 2:47 AM
                      26. Re: More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Michael on Jun 19, 2016, 7:49 AM
                      27. Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:46 PM
                      28. Re: Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Michael on Jun 26, 2016, 3:06 AM
                      29. We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:25 PM
                      30. Re: We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Michael on Jul 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
                      31. You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      32. Re: You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 1:53 AM
                      33. You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 4:39 AM
                      34. Re: You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Michael on Jul 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
                      35. Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Tomas on Jul 30, 2016, 5:59 PM
                      36. Re: Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 5:42 AM
                      37. It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:04 PM
                      38. Re: It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 3:29 AM
                      39. It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:58 PM
                      40. Re: It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 7:57 AM
                      41. The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:06 PM
                      42. Re: The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:30 AM
                      43. What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:43 PM
                      44. Re: What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      45. About true gods. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:12 PM
                      46. Re: About true gods. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:15 AM
                      47. The footnote is not inerrant. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:11 PM
                      48. Re: The footnote is not inerrant. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:08 AM
            2. He who has not heard Jesus or has, but does not believe in him is condemned. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 2:02 PM
              1. Sure we have to believe in Jesus. But believing he is not God or is God is irrelevant for - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 2:25 PM
                1. What you say leads others to fall into the ditch. - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:31 AM
                  1. Not true at all. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 8:04 AM
                    1. It's impossible to discuss intelligently with you! - INcquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 11:13 AM
                      1. You sure give up discussions easily. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:16 PM
                      2. You don't answer rationally, that's why. - INCquisitor on Dec 19, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      3. Are you accusing trinitarians, binitarians, modalists, of also not answering rationally? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:38 AM
                      4. Aren't they? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 4:29 AM
                      5. No, it is a logical deduction, whether it happens to be truth or not. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
                      6. Arguing WITHOUT considering ALL other facts is IRRATIONAL! - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:09 AM
                      7. from you! - Nom on Jan 29, 2016, 10:22 PM
                      8. Not from INCquisitor. Modalists had that belief, that Christ is the Father, already in the - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      9. My belief is based on what is written in the Todays' English Version of John 17:12. - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:29 AM
                      10. I haven't seen Nom here for a long time. So surely he won't answer you. But - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:58 PM
                      11. How come Jesus is called Jesus Christ, Christ or Christ Jesus? - INCquisitor on Jun 26, 2016, 9:01 AM
                      12. The word Christ comes from Greek Christos, which means anointed. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:41 PM
          2. So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 9:53 AM
            1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:43 AM
              1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 8:23 PM
                1. To those who do not believe that Jesus is God, Jesus is not a false god. - INCquisitor on Dec 12, 2015, 1:18 PM
                  1. Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 11:03 AM
                    1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 16, 2015, 4:36 PM
                      1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 16, 2015, 9:47 PM
                      2. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 17, 2015, 5:59 PM
                      3. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 9:47 AM
                      4. Who is the "another" Jesus that FALSE teachers preached (2 Cor. 11:3-4)? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 7:45 PM
                      5. That's a good thing to study in Scriptures INCquisitor. Hope you would. - Michael on Dec 24, 2015, 2:45 AM
                      6. Nicene Creed: Jesus is God of God, who came down from heaven and was made man. - INCquisitor on Dec 24, 2015, 8:07 PM
                      7. Take issue on that with the RCC, INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 7:31 PM
                      8. Trinitarians say that Jesus "came as God and became man." Nicene Creed proves that. - INCquisitor on Jan 5, 2016, 6:08 AM
                      9. As I said, take issue on that with those who say that. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 8:22 AM
     
  8. Jesus said " I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore" View Thread - Michael on Sep 6, 2015, 1:38 AM
    1. Why are you ignoring my answers to you? And instead you have a new - Tomas on Sep 12, 2015, 3:56 AM
      1. Jesus said "I am He who lives,and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore." - Michael on Sep 13, 2015, 8:59 AM
        1. "He who lives" does not refer to the Lord Almighty who spoke in Rev. 1:8. - INCquisitor on Sep 14, 2015, 3:06 PM
        2. Michael, the Lord God, the Almighty, in Rev. 1:8 is not Jesus. - Tomas on Sep 19, 2015, 8:41 AM
          1. And, Michael, are you giving up on discussing the issues in the threads below? - Tomas on Sep 19, 2015, 8:43 AM
            1. No, Tomas. I'll get to them as soon as I find time. - Michael on Sep 28, 2015, 10:30 PM
              1. OK, take your time, no problem. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 6:28 PM
          2. Tomas, please take the issue at the OP, and not present another one. - Michael on Sep 29, 2015, 1:38 AM
            1. OK, I will answer your questions here. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 6:33 PM
              1. "I am the First and the Last, and the Living one, ....", Jesus said. Analyze the clause. - Michael on Oct 1, 2015, 3:43 AM
                1. So both Yahweh and Jesus are the first and the last, in some senses. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:17 AM
                  1. They are both called by the title "the First and the Last". A truth revealed. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 5:22 AM
                    1. Just because two beings have the same titles, does not prove they are identical. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 6:33 AM
                      1. That could be right in the case of Obama. But we are considering God. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 7:45 AM
                      2. It works with Obama, the Bible does not say it doesn't work with God. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      3. :) You want the Bible to say that? - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 10:43 AM
                      4. I don't want the Bible to say that, and tell us by this that Jesus is God, because that - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:28 AM
                      5. So, you know the mind of God, and say that that was not God's intention? - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 6:23 AM
                      6. That it was not God's intention, is clear from the fact that the Bible does not reveal - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 8:49 AM
                      7. Not to you perhaps. - Michael on Nov 15, 2015, 1:18 AM
                      8. Not to you either, even though you disagree. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 8:54 AM
                      9. Well, it's an eye issue then. My eyes see,and yours don't. - Michael on Jan 7, 2016, 11:36 AM
                      10. My eyes see well to read. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 4:57 AM
                      11. Why then can't you not see? - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 4:46 AM
                      12. I can't not see because I can see, so I see. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 11:07 AM
                      13. Sorry about that. - Michael on May 21, 2016, 1:02 PM
                      14. Christ was created, and the two who are both Alpha and Omega. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 2:02 PM
                      15. Re: Christ was created, and the two who are both Alpha and Omega. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 4:41 AM
                      16. God did not create another God. And the two who are both Alpha and Omega. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 6:55 PM
                      17. Yes, God and Christ have lots in common, even divine titles. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 6:20 AM
                      18. They have some titles in common, but we can't know if they are divine titles. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 6:08 PM
                      19. Re: They have some titles in common, but we can't know if they are divine titles. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 8:20 AM
                      20. OK, we can't know if they are exclusively divine titles. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:42 AM
                      21. Re: OK, we can't know if they are exclusively divine titles. - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 4:35 AM
                      22. God and his Son. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 10:15 PM
                      23. Re: God and his Son. - Michael on Jul 11, 2016, 9:40 PM
                      24. God and his Son. - Tomas on Jul 17, 2016, 12:35 AM
                      25. Re: God and his Son. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 2:32 AM
                      26. God and his Son, angels. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 3:45 AM
                      27. Re: God and his Son, angels. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 6:23 AM
                      28. Yahweh, angels, titles. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:46 PM
                      29. Re: Yahweh, angels, titles. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 10:37 PM
                      30. More about Yahweh, angels, titles. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:38 PM
                      31. Re: More about Yahweh, angels, titles. - Michael on Aug 24, 2016, 11:21 AM
                      32. And more about Yahweh, angels, titles. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 9:53 PM
                      33. Re: And more about Yahweh, angels, titles. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 5:14 AM
                      34. About Yahweh, angels, titles. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 11:59 PM
    2. Isn't it time you tell us what you think of Rev. 1:18? - INCquisitor on Jun 12, 2016, 8:56 AM
      1. It's in the OP INCquisitor. - Michael on Jun 17, 2016, 5:50 AM
     
  9. Have nothing to do with such people. View Thread - Michael on Oct 28, 2015, 11:41 PM
    1. Of course having nothing to do with such evil people, does not mean not bringing them - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:15 AM
      1. They are always learning, yet never able to come to the knowledge of the truth - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:06 PM
        1. This is about what the situation will be in the last days, see verses 1-2. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 10:37 AM
          1. Have nothing to do with such people, was Paul's admonition - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 2:34 AM
            1. I agree with you basically in everything. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 5:42 PM
              1. Re: I agree with you basically in everything. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 12:15 AM
                1. I don't know if Felix Manalo became saved, or lost his salvation, and maybe regained - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:44 PM
                  1. Not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:05 AM
                    1. OK, what issue would you prefer to discuss instead? - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:50 PM
                      1. Do you say FYM is a false teacher or prophet or messenger? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:14 AM
                      2. FYM did not call himself a prophet, so I can't call him a false prophet. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
                      3. I respect your view Tomas. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      4. FYM wrongly interpreted some prophecies, so he wrongly concluded that - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      5. Did you tell that to the INC? - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
                      6. I have tried to talk to INC members, when they ever appear on the other forum, - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 1:13 AM
                      7. So what do you call FYM? A false what? - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 2:15 AM
                      8. A false last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:10 PM
                      9. Who do you believe is the last messenger that God have sent? - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
                      10. The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      11. Re: The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 6:38 AM
                      12. Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      13. Re: Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 10:37 PM
     
  10. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                      4. Beginning of creation? You're adding to the scriptures. That's a no no. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      5. I gave you verses proving he was created. If you don't believe me, OK, - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
                      6. no Tomas, before creation there was no time as we know of it! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      7. So give me a verse to prove it. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:02 PM
                      8. so now you want a verse that prove God has no beggining nor end? - Karlos on Mar 15, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      9. No, I know God has no beginning nor end. I want a verse - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:08 AM
                      10. I am talking about OUR time as we know it! - Karlos on Mar 21, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      11. But I see no indication in the Bible that before creation, time somehow flew differently - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      12. I am not implying anything, you are. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:39 AM
                      13. Why would God's time in eternity be different than - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      14. I don't want to repeat my explanation about time and spiritual body, I've done that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:57 AM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
                      7. He was a god but could be God too. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      8. If He was a god, he never could be God. Either He is the only true God, or a god of many. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      9. He can be both. And you misspell the en, you have final sigma - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      10. Time existed only at the moment of creation as we understood the meaning of time - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      11. Tomas has nothing but assumptions, "coulds", "maybes" etc. because he believes i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 12, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      12. Karlos, why wouldn't time be eternal? Do you have a verse - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
                      13. prove to me with any versebthat the time we know now is the same time... - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      14. Since I see no verse to the contrary, I assume that time before creation was just like - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:06 AM
                      15. again Tomas, God cannot create a creature that can be God! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      16. Why can't God grow, create additional persons within himself? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
                      17. Yes, I know that Tomas. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 5:58 AM
                      18. You know that one who has no uncertainties will be surprised? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      19. Uncertainties denotes doubt. With faith, there are no uncertainties. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      20. No uncertainties about anything? But you admitted you don't know everything about God. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:23 AM
                      21. Knowing and being certain that Christ is God does not mean knowing everything about God. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      22. Yes. But I feel sure that to be certain that Christ is God is going beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:15 PM
                      23. Well, that is the way it is then for you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      24. Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      25. Re: Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      26. Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:55 AM
                      27. Re: Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      28. But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:13 AM
                      29. Re: But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      30. It would be revelation of how to understand the verses. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:33 AM
                      31. Tomas, understanding is different from revelation. Understanding is not revelation. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:39 PM
                      32. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:10 AM
                      33. Re: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      34. Understanding cannot come without words. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      35. I disagree Tomas. One can have understanding about God through His creation. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
                      36. Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      37. Re: Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      38. Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:53 AM
                      39. Re: Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      40. Nobody on this earth, no matter how mature, has perfect, infallible understanding of Bible - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 7:53 AM
                      41. Not the issue here Tomas. - Michael on Aug 6, 2015, 8:55 AM
                      42. So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:05 AM
                      43. Re: So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 6:10 AM
                      44. So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 8:00 AM
                      45. Re: So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Michael on Aug 27, 2015, 7:50 PM
                      46. Natural man, what we can know, the devil - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 6:30 AM
                      47. Re: Natural man, what we can know, the devil - Michael on Oct 2, 2015, 7:31 AM
                      48. Concerning the revealed things of God, and concerning the power of the devil. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 2:32 AM
                      49. Re: Concerning the revealed things of God, and concerning the power of the devil. - Michael on Oct 9, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      50. More about what is revealed, and about the devil and reasons for disagreements. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 5:15 AM
                      51. Re: More about what is revealed, and about the devil and reasons for disagreements. - Michael on Oct 12, 2015, 10:05 AM
                      52. About the Old Covenant, about what is revealed, and reasons for disagreements. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 11:44 AM
                      53. Re: About the Old Covenant, about what is revealed, and reasons for disagreements. - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 6:51 AM
                      54. About salvation in the Old Covenant, and about God not revealing to us understanding. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      55. Re: About salvation in the Old Covenant, and about God not revealing to us understanding. - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 11:09 AM
                      56. So what then we can't know about salvation in the Old Testament. And about understanding. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
                      57. What it means to understand Scriptures. - Michael on Oct 27, 2015, 6:39 AM
                      58. Understanding the scriptures. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 8:43 AM
                      59. Re: Understanding the scriptures. - Michael on Nov 12, 2015, 10:14 AM
                      60. Understanding is not enough, one has to believe what one understands. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 1:09 PM
                      61. Be CUT TO THE HEART. - Michael on Dec 11, 2015, 5:36 PM
                      62. Yes, we were. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      63. And you say your conscience cut you to the heart? Not the same with me. The HS did. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 5:42 PM
                      64. OK, the HS by the words he inspired, convinced my conscience, so it was cut to the heart. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 1:15 PM
                      65. What is it really now Tomas? Conscience or HS? And you missed out a segment here. - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 7:08 AM
                      66. Sorry for missing a segment there. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 1:09 AM
                      67. Re: Sorry for missing a segment there. - Michael on Dec 26, 2015, 3:21 AM
                      68. The New Testament, and being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 7:22 AM
                      69. Re: The New Testament, and being cut to the heart. - Michael on Dec 31, 2015, 2:41 PM
                      70. OK, the New Covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 1:58 AM
                      71. Why the need for a NEW Covenant? - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 7:00 AM
                      72. For the reasons I gave. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 7:22 AM
                      73. In that case, your reasons are not what I read in scriptures. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 8:52 AM
                      74. But it looks to me like we basically agree on this. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 5:45 PM
                      75. The reality of all being a sinner is different from being CUT TO THE HEART, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 12, 2016, 9:04 PM
                      76. Yes, it is indeed very different. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:56 PM
                      77. Good thing you know Tomas. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      78. Yes, it is good that we both know. But let's discuss being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 5:56 AM
                      79. Re: Yes, it is good that we both know. But let's discuss being cut to the heart. - Michael on Feb 23, 2016, 6:12 AM
                      80. The need for a new covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 11:41 AM
                      81. Re: The need for a new covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Michael on Mar 3, 2016, 2:30 AM
                      82. about Old Testament saints, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 2:18 PM
                      83. Re: about Old Testament saints, and about being cut to the heart. - Michael on May 7, 2016, 12:17 PM
                      84. OId Testament saints, and about what caused some to be cut to the heart. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 8:17 PM
                      85. Re: OId Testament saints, and about what caused some to be cut to the heart. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 10:40 AM
                      86. Old Testament saints, and what causes guilt. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 7:25 PM
                      87. Re: Old Testament saints, and what causes guilt. - Michael on May 16, 2016, 4:08 AM
                      88. More about OT saints, and what causes guilt. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 7:11 PM
                      89. Re: More about OT saints, and what causes guilt. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 5:56 AM
                      90. OT saints and the HS, what caused guilt in Acts 2, what causes repentance and faith. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 7:12 AM
                      91. Re: OT saints and the HS, what caused guilt in Acts 2, what causes repentance and faith. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 9:57 AM
                      92. More about the influence of the HS. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 7:54 PM
                      93. Re: More about the influence of the HS. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 10:44 AM
                      94. And more about the influences of the HS. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 6:08 PM
                      95. Re: And more about the influences of the HS. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 9:14 AM
                      96. You have skipped the first section. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 8:26 PM
                      97. Re: You have skipped the first section. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 5:18 AM
                      98. So I guess we are now discussing only the first section, unless I missed something. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      99. Re: So I guess we are now discussing only the first section, unless I missed something. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 9:57 PM
                      100. I know of no OT verse mentioning the HS saving from lake of fire. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:52 PM
                      101. Re: I know of no OT verse mentioning the HS saving from lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 8:16 AM
                      102. So still no such verse. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 2:27 AM
                      103. Re: So still no such verse. - Michael on Aug 31, 2016, 9:42 PM
                      104. About what the HS did and does. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 9:01 PM
                      105. Re: About what the HS did and does. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:40 PM
                      106. Did even the exodus imply salvation of some gentiles? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 10:10 PM
                      107. Re: Did even the exodus imply salvation of some gentiles? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 5:53 AM
                      108. But God did lots of things for Israel that he did not do for the Gentiles. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:51 PM
     
 
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