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  1. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                      4. Beginning of creation? You're adding to the scriptures. That's a no no. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      5. I gave you verses proving he was created. If you don't believe me, OK, - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
                      6. no Tomas, before creation there was no time as we know of it! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      7. So give me a verse to prove it. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:02 PM
                      8. so now you want a verse that prove God has no beggining nor end? - Karlos on Mar 15, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      9. No, I know God has no beginning nor end. I want a verse - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:08 AM
                      10. I am talking about OUR time as we know it! - Karlos on Mar 21, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      11. But I see no indication in the Bible that before creation, time somehow flew differently - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      12. I am not implying anything, you are. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:39 AM
                      13. Why would God's time in eternity be different than - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      14. I don't want to repeat my explanation about time and spiritual body, I've done that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:57 AM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
                      7. He was a god but could be God too. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      8. If He was a god, he never could be God. Either He is the only true God, or a god of many. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      9. He can be both. And you misspell the en, you have final sigma - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      10. Time existed only at the moment of creation as we understood the meaning of time - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      11. Tomas has nothing but assumptions, "coulds", "maybes" etc. because he believes i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 12, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      12. Karlos, why wouldn't time be eternal? Do you have a verse - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
                      13. prove to me with any versebthat the time we know now is the same time... - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      14. Since I see no verse to the contrary, I assume that time before creation was just like - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:06 AM
                      15. again Tomas, God cannot create a creature that can be God! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      16. Why can't God grow, create additional persons within himself? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
                      17. Yes, I know that Tomas. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 5:58 AM
                      18. You know that one who has no uncertainties will be surprised? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      19. Uncertainties denotes doubt. With faith, there are no uncertainties. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      20. No uncertainties about anything? But you admitted you don't know everything about God. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:23 AM
                      21. Knowing and being certain that Christ is God does not mean knowing everything about God. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      22. Yes. But I feel sure that to be certain that Christ is God is going beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:15 PM
                      23. Well, that is the way it is then for you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      24. Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      25. Re: Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      26. Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:55 AM
                      27. Re: Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      28. But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:13 AM
                      29. Re: But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      30. It would be revelation of how to understand the verses. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:33 AM
                      31. Tomas, understanding is different from revelation. Understanding is not revelation. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:39 PM
                      32. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:10 AM
                      33. Re: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      34. Understanding cannot come without words. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      35. I disagree Tomas. One can have understanding about God through His creation. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
                      36. Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      37. Re: Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      38. Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:53 AM
                      39. Re: Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      40. Nobody on this earth, no matter how mature, has perfect, infallible understanding of Bible - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 7:53 AM
                      41. Not the issue here Tomas. - Michael on Aug 6, 2015, 8:55 AM
                      42. So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:05 AM
                      43. Re: So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 6:10 AM
                      44. So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 8:00 AM
                      45. Re: So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Michael on Aug 27, 2015, 7:50 PM
     
  2. According to John 10:18, Jesus has the POWER to take his life back again. View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
    1. Jesus had that power even if he was totally dead, body, soul and spirit. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:10 PM
      1. That's what can be understood in John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 1:24 AM
        1. I did not mean to suggest Elisha's bones had that power without God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 1:06 AM
          1. But you did mean that the bones resurrected the dead man. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
            1. To you it sounds like foolishness, but don't underestimate the abilities of God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:18 PM
              1. And who underestimate God? Not me. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 6:48 PM
                1. Don't misunderstand me, don't twist my words. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                  1. Did I twist your words Tomas? Not so. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 6:44 AM
                    1. OK, so you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'so'. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      1. Is that so Tomas? - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 3:51 PM
                      2. OK, let's drop the 'so' and discuss more interesting stuff. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:07 PM
                      3. Tomas: my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 1:46 AM
                      4. My answers to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:55 AM
                      5. Tomas: my comments. - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      6. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:21 PM
                      7. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 12:01 PM
                      8. Michael, more comments to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
                      9. Tomas, more of the truth for you. - Michael on Jan 5, 2015, 11:18 PM
                      10. So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      11. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 12:54 AM
                      12. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 1:06 AM
                      13. So let's discuss some more. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      14. Ok Tomas, let's discuss some more. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 7:32 AM
                      15. Yes, let's discuss more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:05 AM
                      16. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Feb 26, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      17. OK, Michael, more discussion. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:26 AM
                      18. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Mar 11, 2015, 12:05 AM
                      19. About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      20. Re: About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 10:04 AM
                      21. More about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:44 AM
                      22. Re: More about these topics. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 1:15 AM
                      23. Still more about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:27 AM
                      24. Re: Still more about these topics. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      25. And more about these issues. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:40 AM
                      26. Re: And more about these issues. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:18 AM
                      27. More about these things. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:42 AM
                      28. Re: More about these things. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:17 PM
                      29. And more about these. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:42 AM
                      30. Re: And more about these. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 6:58 AM
                      31. More about these issues, mainly about Christ. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:00 AM
                      32. Re: More about these issues, mainly about Christ. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      33. And more about these issues. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      34. Re: And more about these issues. - Michael on May 16, 2015, 11:15 PM
                      35. More about God, Christ, his death, and doctrines about him. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
                      36. Re: More about God, Christ, his death, and doctrines about him. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 11:07 PM
                      37. More about all these things. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:02 AM
                      38. Re: More about all these things. - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 5:11 AM
                      39. Trinity, salvation, Christ not sinning. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 10:46 AM
                      40. Re: Trinity, salvation, Christ not sinning. - Michael on Aug 27, 2015, 10:37 AM
      2. Tomas, now you also don't understand Rev. 3:14. That adds to your ignorance regarding - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:46 PM
        1. So give me your interpretation of Rev. 3:14, so we can - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Many have tried to explain the verse to you already. Why would I think you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:50 PM
            1. OK, you think neither of us can persuade the other. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:06 PM
                1. Well, tell Jesus he is an idiot for believing some are gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:28 PM
                  1. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
                    1. Of course those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
                      1. You're admitting again to be an anti-trinitarian. May God help you. I'm through with you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      2. I am not anti-trinitarian. Trinity is a possibility. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:22 PM
                      3. The Word was "a god" is anti-trinitarian. And you insist, that this is THE correct - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:17 PM
                      4. It is not antitrinitarian. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
                      5. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      6. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      7. He was created, but he could have been created God, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      8. God was not created. So you're anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      9. God initially was not created, but always existed, but he could have created - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:52 AM
                      10. If you believe Jesus was created you are anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      11. I know, you keep repeating that. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      12. Trinity in itself is inflexible. One God, uncreated, three persons OF God, who is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      13. Your mind is inflexible on this. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:17 PM
                      14. You're not saying it's a possibility. And the Word was a god takes away all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      15. OK, it seems ludicrous to you, based on your logic. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      16. Jesus was created? Ludicrous again! God never spoke to you through the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:31 PM
                      17. Sorry that you find it ludicrous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      18. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. I have not added one syllable to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:48 PM
                      19. You added to the Bible the alleged salvation requirement - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
                      20. We need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. In your anti-trinitarian faith, you do not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      21. Of course we need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:51 AM
                      22. The Bible only doesn't tell YOU, mostly because you insist on incorrect translations. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:13 PM
                      23. So you think the translations you insist on are always correct? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:12 PM
                      24. So far, they are correct. Because I do better research than you do, and I have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      25. I am not getting involved in any subject of the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
                      26. Meaning in just any subject. Just those I have studied - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:42 AM
    2. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit does die. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:31 PM
    3. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit DOESN'T DIE. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
      1. You say if God died, the whole world will collapse into oblivion. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:44 PM
        1. As usual, friend Tomas doesn't understand the world, the Bible and the teachings of all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:52 PM
          1. Well, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph 469: - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:44 PM
            1. If stupidity would hurt, you'd cry all day. The Catechism says Christ died, his human - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:08 PM
              1. The rest of paragraph 469 does not deny the fact, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:24 PM
                1. You seem to still misunderstand or didn't read the word immortal How can an immortal - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:26 PM
                  1. So the paragraph 469 is contradictory. But then it is not in - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:56 AM
                    1. Only contradictory in your mind! You were lying when you said Catholics believe - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:22 AM
                      1. It sure looks like they believe God died based on the wording - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      2. Only poorly worded for the language impaired or wickedly minded. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      3. Oh, don't be so arrogant. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:22 PM
                      4. I am superior to you. I'm not an anti-trinitarian. I also trust people when they teach - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:38 PM
                      5. What? I don't call them liars or doubt their sincerity. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:43 PM
                      6. Yes, you pulled out Catechism 469 to tell me the RCC is teaching God died on the cross. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:53 PM
                      7. I did not call them liars, just that maybe they misunderstood - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      8. They misunderstood???? The truth is, you did, and do not refrain from telling the world - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:18 PM
                      9. Well, OK, if that paragraph is harder to understand than it seems to me, - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:31 AM
                      10. You were willfully lying after I presented you with the statement of an representative of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:42 PM
                      11. What are Catholics supposed to rely on more, the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:43 PM
                      12. It's not only Mr. Serpa, it's the entire Catholic Church. Citing heretics here does hurt - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      13. Do you think every Catholic believes what Mr. Serpa believes? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:56 AM
                      14. It's the official doctrine of the RCC. If some Catholics do not believe that, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:18 PM
                      15. If it is the official doctrine, then why would the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:14 PM
                      16. Sorry to break my word and not answer your stupid remarks anymore. But this one is more - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 2:43 PM
                      17. But it says also "O Christ our God, you who by your death - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:34 AM
                      18. I know I shouldn't have answered you. You're twisting even your own words. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:21 PM
                      19. The Catechism could have meant that the Son is immortal after - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:05 AM
                      20. Best thing to do Tomas is to ask those who wrote the Cathechism. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:57 AM
                      21. I doubt it, Michael. Tomas will accuse Catholics, Lutherans etc. of being idolaters, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 5, 2015, 6:55 PM
                      22. I understand the Catholic reasoning, why they say they are not idolaters, - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      23. Michael, I don't have their email addresses. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:45 AM
                      24. LOL...and you want to be taken seriously? Get outta here! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 11, 2015, 6:35 PM
                      25. Do you have their email addresses? - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:47 AM
                      26. Instead of bitching, do your homework. It took me less than 10 minutes to find it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:41 AM
                      27. Some more help>>>>>>>>>>> - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:44 AM
                      28. Another 5 min search and you can go to the Vatican source: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      29. The Contatti webpage does not give any email address to ask questions - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:05 AM
                      30. Segretari would have been fine. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      31. You mean Segreteria surely. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      32. OK, I asked the USCCB, even though they might not include any authors - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:13 AM
                      33. Well then you just have to analyze Tomas. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 7:17 PM
                      34. I did hear several days ago on EWTN Catholic Answers program, - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:52 AM
                      35. Because you prefer to bitch instead of doing your homework. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:32 AM
                      36. Do you think the pope or some archbishop in the Vatican would have time - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      37. There are no stupid questions other than yours. That adds to your stupid assumptions. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:23 AM
                      38. So maybe Vincent Serpa meant that God the Son died only in his human nature. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      39. It's not maybe, it's a fact: Jesus died in his human nature. And bravo for emailing them. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:38 AM
                      40. OK, but when they believe God the Son died in his human nature, that still - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:05 AM
                      41. I guess, you still don't understand Trinity. When Jesus' human nature died, His divine - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 26, 2015, 9:47 AM
                      42. That is certainly very possible, if he is God. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:31 AM
                      43. Not revealed to you, but to all true Christians! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 3, 2015, 7:13 PM
                      44. You are too exclusivist about who only are the true Christians. - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:55 AM
    4. That's right INCquisitor. All you need is to believe in it. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. show me the verse that says Jesus EXERCISED such power. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 AM
        1. Still asking? Well then, you'll never see it. So, ok trash John 10:18 as you have. - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
      2. Jesus referred to the Father as the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. And INCquisitor says "I trash the words of Jesus in John 10:18". - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:48 AM
        2. The Father is the Only True God as opposed to many idols - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 10, 2014, 7:32 PM
          1. idols or not he is the only true God the Father - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:14 AM
            1. John 17:3 is INC's bread and butter error verse. It does NOT say "only you, Father, are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 4:59 PM
            2. tf, the lying INC administration has been exposed by their own "holy" magazine, by Pasugo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 8, 2015, 6:00 PM
            3. tf cannot refute...no surprise here... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 12, 2015, 2:59 PM
     
  3. Love Jesus more than your children, mother, father. View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:28 PM
    1. Tell us what you think. Do you even know what love is? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:18 AM
      1. Do you INCquisitor? Anyway, please just address the issues at the OP, if you will. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:45 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:54 AM
      1. Re: Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:56 PM
        1. Yes, if somebody loves his parents or children more than Jesus, not much love for Jesus. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:15 PM
          1. Come on Tomas. Could you just answer the questions and stop beating around the bush? - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 3:02 AM
            1. I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:00 PM
              1. Re: I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
                1. OK, my answers. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:40 AM
                  1. Re: OK, my answers. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:58 PM
                    1. That would be a terrible sin. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:58 AM
                      1. Why do you say it is a terrible sin? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:53 AM
                      2. Mt. 10:37. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:20 AM
                      3. A terrible sin you say, yet you haven't shown a commandment that was disobeyed. - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 6:40 AM
    3. Christ's disciples have only one teacher (Matt. 23:8). - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 10:19 AM
      1. Jesus said "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me". - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:10 AM
        1. Not worthy of Christ means not worthy of salvation. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
    4. Follow HIS command - tumpak on Jul 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
      1. Re: Follow HIS command - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:11 AM
      2. To be a Saint, to be Holy - tumpak on Jul 19, 2015, 7:51 AM
        1. To be a saint? - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 8:38 AM
      3. there was a young protestant - tumpak on Jul 20, 2015, 9:22 AM
        1. I studied the early 'fathers' too, and realized the RCC can't be the one true church. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:24 AM
          1. Do not go beyond what is written - tumpak on Jul 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
            1. Paul was referring to all the books of the Bible, including those not written yet - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:02 AM
            2. the Bible??? - tumpak on Aug 10, 2015, 5:47 AM
              1. Yes, Tumpak, the whole Bible, whatever is written, 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:22 AM
              2. where is your prove that Paul was referring to the - tumpak on Aug 17, 2015, 8:15 AM
                1. Not to go beyond what is written. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 8:04 AM
                2. Paul says "...what is written" - tumpak on Aug 25, 2015, 9:07 AM
            3. What is your answer to your question Tumpak? - Michael on Aug 10, 2015, 11:31 AM
     
  4. The gospel of Felix Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ View Thread - Michael on Jun 4, 2015, 4:49 PM
    1. So INC has added more requirements for salvation. Still, they believe in the same gospel - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:39 AM
      1. That's not the way it is Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:41 PM
        1. No, INC also knows that whosoever believes in Him (the Son of God) shall be saved, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 2:10 PM
          1. The issue is about what is the gospel of Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 4:01 AM
            1. I don't actually know what INC teaches is the gospel, I have to admit - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 2:50 PM
              1. So, you say and admit that you don't know the gospel INC preach. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:21 AM
                1. What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:34 AM
                  1. Re: What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:43 PM
                    1. They do believe that a few unbelievers are saved by their conscience. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:20 AM
                      1. Unbelievers saved? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:20 AM
                      2. Yes, they generally avoid saying that. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      3. So they intentionally avoid preaching a truth they believe? - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
     
  5. Tomas: On Matthew 28:19, a continuation.... View Thread - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:35 PM
    1. OK, Matt. 28:19 compared to other verses. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:30 AM
      1. So, how does Matthew 28:19 compare to other verses Tomas? - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 7:21 AM
        1. Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:22 AM
          1. Re: Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
            1. They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:39 AM
              1. Re: They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Michael on Apr 6, 2015, 9:17 AM
                1. So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:22 AM
                  1. Re: So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Michael on Apr 14, 2015, 6:23 PM
                    1. Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:38 AM
                      1. Re: Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:13 AM
                      2. They sure didn't. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:01 AM
                      3. Water baptism is the symbolic (visible) act of the invisible HS baptism. You cannot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 5, 2015, 7:00 AM
                      4. I know there are churches like Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, who believe as you - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      5. Re: They sure didn't. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 6:51 PM
                      6. No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 6:04 AM
                      7. Re: No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 10:53 AM
                      8. They sure din't, at all. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 2:03 PM
                      9. Re: They sure din't, at all. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:35 PM
                      10. Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      11. Re: Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:32 AM
                      12. My assumptions are truth, because they are based exactly on biblical truth. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:57 AM
                      13. True assumptions? :) - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      14. You are making assumptions, not proven by scripture. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
                      15. To the contrary, not I, but you Tomas. And that, you repeatedly admit and have not refuted - Michael on Aug 16, 2015, 1:22 AM
                      16. So are we in agreement then? - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 9:38 AM
                      17. Are we? - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 6:14 AM
     
  6. In relation to John 17:1-3, does not the Jews know who the true God is? View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 12:49 PM
    1. Why would the ancient Jews know? Many of them still believed in false gods. You need to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 15, 2015, 6:36 PM
      1. So, you believe that Jews in the time of Jesus at least, don't know who the true God is? - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:21 PM
        1. I bet, some knew. Others still believed in a multitude of gods. All of them didn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2015, 1:12 PM
          1. It's not if they believe in a multitude of gods or not Guenter. - Michael on Jun 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
            1. You need to look at the entire prayer. "...that they MAY know you...". Some Jews believed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2015, 8:24 AM
              1. You need to look at the issue in this thread. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:13 AM
    2. Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 8:46 AM
      1. Re: Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:07 AM
        1. I don't believe that all Jews who ever lived will be saved. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 8:44 AM
          1. Re: I don't believe that all Jews who ever lived will be saved. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 6:59 PM
            1. I can answer that. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:52 AM
              1. Not quite. - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 3:41 AM
                1. Not quite? But we seem to be in agreement. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 11:01 AM
                  1. That's good, if that is the case. - Michael on Aug 16, 2015, 12:23 AM
                    1. Verse 3 does not provide a definition of 'eternal life', what it is, what it means. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 10:16 AM
                      1. Then read again John 17:3 and tell us what it says Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 3:59 AM
     
  7. EVM's Airbus View Thread - Saleem Sinai on Aug 5, 2015, 8:15 PM
    1. Re: EVM's Airbus - Mervy on Aug 8, 2015, 10:06 AM
    2. So what? - Mickey on Aug 14, 2015, 10:18 AM
      1. What detractor would be evil enough to cause a commotion on the plane when seeing - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 6:57 AM
        1. Wrong - MIckey on Aug 16, 2015, 9:49 AM
          1. Well, if somebody around me made an allegation about misconduct, - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 9:13 AM
     
  8. The "gospel" that the INC preaches every worship service. View Thread - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 2015, 8:38 AM
    1. Heb. 10:25 is primarily about worship. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:33 AM
      1. You are thinking beyond what is written. Heb. 10:25 is not about worship. - INCquisitor on Aug 13, 2015, 3:27 PM
        1. If they assemble together, why would they refuse to worship God? - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:09 AM
          1. The Father seeks true worshipers to worship Him in spirit and truth. - INCquisitor on Aug 16, 2015, 6:39 PM
            1. Yes, that's what we Christians do, both individually and in groups, like congregations. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 9:01 AM
     
  9. There seems to be a coup d'etat in this sub-state View Thread - Saleem Sinai on Jul 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
    1. Who is threatening "Angel's" and his mother's lives? Who is holding the ministers - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2015, 8:33 AM
      1. Acc. to AP, the Philippine government is now investigating INC for the abductions of - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 5:43 AM
    2. Hardly. - Mickey on Aug 14, 2015, 10:35 AM
      1. Which is the INC's doctrine? - INCquisitor on Aug 15, 2015, 4:42 AM
        1. And exactly how is all that against the Bible? - MIckey on Aug 16, 2015, 9:53 AM
          1. You start with the wrong premise that the INC is the true church. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2015, 3:59 AM
      2. So why did Eduardo fly in a luxury jet, rather than go economy class on normal planes? - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 6:53 AM
        1. That's not a luxury jet by any means. - MIckey on Aug 16, 2015, 9:57 AM
          1. Jesus and his apostles did not buy donkeys nor camels for theit travel, did they? - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2015, 4:06 AM
          2. So Mickey, are they crowded in seats on that jet like in Economy class seats on normal - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 8:13 AM
     
  10. An independent INC in north america View Thread - jimblue on Jul 25, 2015, 11:54 PM
    1. Why just in North America? You can separate yourselves in any country. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:53 AM
     
 
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