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  1. He who says that no one knows the true nature of Christ is NOT a Christian. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 2017, 6:38 AM
    1. The Bible of course does not say any such thing. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:46 PM
      1. Jesus said to the Father, "that they may know YOU, the ONLY TRUE God..." (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Feb 26, 2017, 3:13 PM
        1. Of course saved Christians agree that that the Father is the only true God. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 5:16 PM
     
  2. Questions: Who will and can come to the Son? Who can come to the Father? ..... View Thread - Michael on Oct 11, 2016, 5:27 AM
    1. Basically I agree with you, though with the little qualification, - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 1:46 PM
      1. Re: Basically I agree with you, though with the little qualification, - Michael on Oct 16, 2016, 4:11 AM
        1. OK, answering each part. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2016, 7:02 PM
          1. Re: OK, answering each part. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 8:12 AM
            1. Continuing with each part. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:52 PM
              1. Re: Continuing with each part. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 11:00 AM
                1. Continuing further with each part. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 6:29 PM
                  1. Re: Continuing further with each part. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 12:27 AM
                    1. And continuing further. - Tomas on Nov 7, 2016, 12:04 AM
                      1. Re: And continuing further. - Michael on Nov 8, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      2. Continuing further. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
                      3. Re: Continuing further. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 9:53 PM
                      4. And continuing on. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 11:56 PM
                      5. Re: And continuing on. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 6:51 AM
                      6. Continuing on with each part. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 2:18 AM
                      7. Re: Continuing on with each part. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 7:52 AM
                      8. Going on, with each part. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:43 PM
                      9. Re: Going on, with each part. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 7:27 AM
                      10. Going on with two of the parts. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 11:41 PM
                      11. Re: Going on with two of the parts. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:35 AM
                      12. Continuing with the 2 parts. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:39 PM
                      13. Re: Continuing with the 2 parts. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 1:15 AM
                      14. The 2 parts. - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 12:03 AM
                      15. Re: The 2 parts. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 3:48 AM
                      16. More in the 2 parts. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 10:26 PM
     
  3. For Tomas only: Verses that speaks of Christ's Deity. View Thread - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 3:51 AM
    1. the Logos was divine - tf on Aug 22, 2014, 3:31 AM
      1. Finally TF had a voice again. The Logos was divine. So? - Michael on Aug 22, 2014, 2:34 PM
        1. it was not me who admitted this truth - tf on Aug 25, 2014, 4:05 AM
          1. So TF, what now? - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
            1. so what now?? - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 3:53 AM
              1. Tell us what you and INC say and not what others say. That's what. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
                1. stop crying... - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
                  1. How can theos mean divine as adjective? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:02 AM
                    1. Re: How can theos mean divine as adjective? - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:17 PM
                      1. I am surprised those two Greek grammarians did not know - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
                      2. This is not the first example in which INC falls for (or better: takes advantage of) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:09 PM
                      3. According to Tomas "a god" appears in many verses of the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 4, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      4. Well, sometimes in Greek there is just no definite article - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:37 AM
                      5. Cause of disharmony in the Bible: "a god" Why would I waste any more time with you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:49 AM
                      6. Have you heard of this? - Wayne on Feb 5, 2016, 12:21 AM
                      7. Qualitative nouns means nouns referring to some quality. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 6:40 AM
                      8. "the predicate noun can define or describe the subject noun" - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      9. Adjectives can describe too, just like nouns can describe. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 11:17 AM
                      10. You put "a" before "god" so that's no longer anarthrous - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 4:33 PM
                      11. It is not anarthous in English, but it is anarthous in ancient Greek. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 7:39 PM
                      12. "The word was a god" is it the same as "A god was the word"???? - Wayne on Mar 25, 2016, 6:12 PM
                      13. In English, to put a god in the beginning, that would make it the subject of the sentence. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 5:59 AM
                  2. Stand up on your own feet TF. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:51 AM
    2. Why "For Tomas only?" - INCquisitor on Aug 25, 2014, 6:22 PM
      1. This was coming from one of our discussion in another thread. - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 9:49 PM
      2. Herr Incquisitor, you are a New Yorker. Are you pals with this male New Yorker? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 26, 2014, 6:43 PM
        1. Welcome to this forum. Is Pellien now in New York? - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:56 AM
    3. Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:11 AM
      1. So verse John 1:1 is best translated "... and the Word was a god". - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:18 AM
        1. No, I am not JW, even though I started my Bible study with them. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
      2. Re: Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Michael on Sep 9, 2014, 12:39 AM
        1. About the Word, and the word. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:52 AM
          1. Re: About the Word, and the word. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 7:55 AM
            1. About a god, the Word of life. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 11:22 AM
              1. Re: About a god, the Word of life. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 4:42 AM
                1. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:25 PM
                  1. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:10 AM
                  2. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:31 AM
                    1. Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
                      1. Re: Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:22 PM
                      2. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:57 PM
                      3. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:32 PM
                      4. Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 8:11 PM
                      5. Re: Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      6. Seems to me you keep jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. Seems to me Tomas, that's all you can seem to say. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 7:40 AM
                      8. No, on many doctrines I agree with you. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      9. Do you Tomas? - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 8:27 AM
                      10. Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      11. Re: Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Michael on Feb 6, 2015, 9:27 AM
                      12. about truth, lake of fire, inheritance - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 3:07 AM
                      13. Ok - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 5:55 AM
                      14. God is not sadistic, so conscious eternal torment would not please him. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:37 AM
                      15. And who is saying God is? - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 10:51 AM
                      16. Would God create conscious eternal torment, and it would not please him? Then why do it? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:14 AM
                      17. God desires all men to be saved and not suffer the curse that sin brings. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 4:55 AM
                      18. Of course. But he knows some will not be saved, and he would not want for them conscious - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 9:25 AM
                      19. God does not desire anything like that for anyone. It was man's choice. - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
                      20. Wow, it would take an extreme masochist, to actually want to suffer eternal torment. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 2:32 PM
                      21. Are you now saying that it is God who wanted them to have eternal death? - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 9:02 PM
                      22. If they refuse to have faith or repent, to the end, then no more hope for them, - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 10:13 PM
                      23. So, who wants them to have eternal death? Is it God or is it themselves who reject Christ? - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      24. God will want that. Now He wants them saved. I'm not aware of anyone wanting eternal death - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 7:50 PM
                      25. So, Tomas you believe that God wanted that all along. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 9:50 PM
                      26. God knows some will not be saved. But now he wants all saved anyway. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 5:29 PM
                      27. Of course God knows all things, Tomas. But knowing and wanting are two different things. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 6:35 PM
                      28. That's my point, they are different, God knows all but now wants all to be saved. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
                      29. Who says what and when is a punishment just Tomas? You? - Michael on Feb 19, 2016, 6:58 PM
                      30. God does, through the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2016, 8:22 PM
                      31. That's right. Not you, nor anyone, for that matter. - Michael on Feb 21, 2016, 6:34 PM
                      32. But I believe what God says. Your belief about it is not in harmony with God's word. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:58 PM
                      33. Of course that's what you'll say. - Michael on Feb 29, 2016, 3:45 PM
                      34. Because that is what I believe the Bible says. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      35. Right. That is what you think what the Bible says. But it's not what the Bible says. - Michael on Mar 20, 2016, 5:21 AM
                      36. You skipped answering some sections. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 6:16 AM
                      37. Re: You skipped answering some sections. - Michael on May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
                      38. Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      39. Re: Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 5:36 AM
                      40. More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 9:28 PM
                      41. Re: More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 5:26 AM
                      42. Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 8:35 PM
                      43. Re: Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 2:03 AM
                      44. Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 7:50 AM
                      45. Re: Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
                      46. Being dead now, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 7:27 PM
                      47. Re: Being dead now, lake of fire. - Michael on Jul 19, 2016, 12:20 PM
                      48. What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 7:12 PM
                      49. Re: What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 5:28 AM
                      50. Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 7:05 PM
                      51. Re: Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 8:58 PM
                      52. Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 21, 2016, 12:28 AM
                      53. Re: Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      54. Judgments, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 3:17 AM
                      55. Re: Judgments, and time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 31, 2016, 8:27 AM
                      56. Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 9:47 PM
                      57. Re: Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 5:07 AM
                      58. More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      59. Re: More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 9:49 PM
                      60. And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 10:52 PM
                      61. Re: And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 2:28 AM
                      62. Still more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 2:40 AM
                      63. Re: Still more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 6:05 AM
                      64. More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
                      65. Re: More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 4:13 AM
                      66. And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 9:56 PM
                      67. Re: And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 24, 2016, 7:32 AM
                      68. More about judgments, and final judgment. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 12:18 AM
                      69. Re: More about judgments, and final judgment. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 1:30 AM
                      70. about judgments. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:47 PM
                      71. Re: about judgments. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:23 AM
                      72. Judgments. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:11 AM
                      73. Re: Judgments. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:07 PM
                      74. The meanings of the words in Hebrew and Greek. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 11:22 PM
                      75. Re: The meanings of the words in Hebrew and Greek. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 7:16 AM
                      76. My own version? No, I accept the wording in the languages in which it was revealed. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 1:47 AM
                      77. Re: My own version? No, I accept the wording in the languages in which it was revealed. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 10:01 AM
                      78. Yes, translations into English should be evaluated. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:32 PM
                      79. Re: Yes, translations into English should be evaluated. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 7:44 AM
                      80. I don't intend to translate the whole Bible to English. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 11:10 PM
                      81. Re: I don't intend to translate the whole Bible to English. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:52 AM
                      82. Replacing the verb judge. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:25 PM
                      83. Re: Replacing the verb judge. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:04 AM
                      84. The verb evaluate. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:55 PM
                      85. Re: The verb evaluate. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 3:57 AM
                      86. The art of translation. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 10:10 PM
    4. Up for Michael, since you Michael wanted to discuss the lake of fire on separate thread. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:52 AM
    5. Up for Michael. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 7:02 AM
    6. Up again for Michael. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 3:30 AM
     
  4. The gospel of Felix Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ View Thread - Michael on Jun 4, 2015, 4:49 PM
    1. So INC has added more requirements for salvation. Still, they believe in the same gospel - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:39 AM
      1. That's not the way it is Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:41 PM
        1. No, INC also knows that whosoever believes in Him (the Son of God) shall be saved, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 2:10 PM
          1. The issue is about what is the gospel of Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 4:01 AM
            1. I don't actually know what INC teaches is the gospel, I have to admit - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 2:50 PM
              1. So, you say and admit that you don't know the gospel INC preach. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:21 AM
                1. What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:34 AM
                  1. Re: What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:43 PM
                    1. They do believe that a few unbelievers are saved by their conscience. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:20 AM
                      1. Unbelievers saved? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:20 AM
                      2. Yes, they generally avoid saying that. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      3. So they intentionally avoid preaching a truth they believe? - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
                      4. Yes, at least to beginners, who are given only the milk. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:45 AM
                      5. Beginners? Milk? - Michael on Oct 1, 2015, 8:56 PM
                      6. Yes, their intention is to cause as many people as possible to join INC and not think they - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 3:19 AM
                      7. That sounds more of a recruitment than evangelism. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 7:18 AM
                      8. If it's recruitment with the good news, it is evangelism. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 12:17 PM
                      9. No, recruitment is never the intention of Christ. It's definitely not evangelism they do. - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 12:30 AM
                      10. They are bringing the good news, the gospel, whatever else they might say in addition. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:34 AM
                      11. That may well be good cheer. - Michael on Oct 14, 2015, 6:24 AM
                      12. It can lead many to eternal life. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
                      13. Only if they believe in the truth, that is, Jesus Christ , and not in the lie they preach. - Michael on Oct 29, 2015, 9:58 AM
                      14. But they do believe in the truth, Jesus Christ, in spite of some errors on salvation. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 6:57 AM
                      15. Preaching a gospel other than that preached by the apostles is not at all a gospel. - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      16. So are you claiming that the Catholic church already around 100 AD was a false gospel? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 11:06 AM
                      17. Not every preaching that mentions Jesus Christ, necessarily is the true gospel. - Michael on Dec 21, 2015, 7:20 PM
                      18. I agree. But the Catholic church preached the true gospel in the 2nd century and now too. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 11:14 PM
                      19. It seems, we have a different understanding of what is the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 4:25 AM
                      20. Well, regardless, we both believe in the same gospel. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 1:06 AM
                      21. Not same gospel, Tomas. So, how do we? - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 12:23 PM
                      22. So even by your definition we believe in the same gospel. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2016, 5:42 PM
                      23. If that's what you think. - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 10:52 PM
                      24. Yes, that is what I think. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 8:03 AM
                      25. And so I said. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 5:00 AM
                      26. More about what is and is not the saving gospel. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 6:48 PM
                      27. Doctrine is different from gospel, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 11, 2016, 6:50 AM
                      28. Everything in the Bible is taught by the Bible, including historical facts. So they too - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 4:40 PM
                      29. Everything in the Bible is revelation from God, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 6:52 PM
                      30. Yes, and everything revealed in the Bible is taught by the Bible, so it is a teaching. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 10:17 AM
                      31. Well, so be it then for you Tomas. - Michael on Jan 31, 2016, 9:55 AM
                      32. Gospel and salvation requirements. - Tomas on Jan 31, 2016, 6:15 PM
                      33. A perverted gospel is a false gospel. - Michael on Feb 22, 2016, 2:26 PM
                      34. I don't call it perverted, just because they believe in another salvation requirement. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:01 PM
                      35. Well, call it or not, the fact remains, it perverts the gospel of salvation. - Michael on Mar 2, 2016, 12:49 PM
                      36. But belief in the gospel did not disappear in the church, in spite of wrong additions. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:03 PM
                      37. That's right. Thought that is not the issue. - Michael on Mar 20, 2016, 5:46 AM
                      38. That is exactly the issue, the gospel was preached, in spite of wrong additions. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 6:57 AM
                      39. Re: That is exactly the issue, the gospel was preached, in spite of wrong additions. - Michael on Mar 26, 2016, 3:15 PM
                      40. The gospel was believed in every century, even when all Christians had additions. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 5:13 PM
                      41. That is not the issue, I reiterate. - Michael on Mar 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
                      42. The issue is exactly that in those centuries all Christians believed in additional - Tomas on Apr 2, 2016, 7:47 PM
                      43. The issue is about whether or not such perverts the gospel. - Michael on Apr 10, 2016, 8:45 AM
                      44. History proves that such beliefs did not pervert the gospel. - Tomas on Apr 16, 2016, 6:25 PM
                      45. The Bible proves that a false teaching perverts the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Apr 20, 2016, 1:03 PM
                      46. Well, nobody of people on earth today can be infallible, anybody has false teachings. - Tomas on Apr 23, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      47. That certainly is a common and popular excuse. - Michael on May 5, 2016, 1:34 PM
                      48. Wow, you have a huge idea of what is the gospel, namely the person, life and works of - Tomas on May 8, 2016, 12:25 AM
                      49. Not really huge as you think Tomas. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 3:50 AM
                      50. Then it seems to me contradictory, what you are saying. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 10:15 PM
                      51. Re: Then it seems to me contradictory, what you are saying. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 4:20 AM
                      52. Sorry, but I don't see that you have clarified the confusion. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 9:39 PM
                      53. Re: Sorry, but I don't see that you have clarified the confusion. - Michael on May 22, 2016, 7:13 AM
                      54. Sorry, but I am still confused by what you are saying. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 8:37 AM
                      55. Re: Sorry, but I am still confused by what you are saying. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 8:56 AM
                      56. Part of the confusion is that I am still not sure about what you believe the gospel is. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 10:23 PM
                      57. Re: Part of the confusion is that I am still not sure about what you believe the gospel is. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 11:47 AM
                      58. OK, let's discuss the gospel. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 7:44 PM
                      59. Re: OK, let's discuss the gospel. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 8:21 AM
                      60. More about the gospel. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 8:15 PM
                      61. Re: More about the gospel. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
                      62. And more about the gospel. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 9:21 PM
                      63. Re: And more about the gospel. - Michael on Sep 9, 2016, 10:14 AM
                      64. What the gospel is and what it is not. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 1:37 PM
                      65. Re: What the gospel is and what it is not. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 3:56 AM
                      66. About the gospel, and about what belongs to scriptures. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 9:26 PM
                      67. Re: About the gospel, and about what belongs to scriptures. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 9:31 AM
                      68. About repentance, about what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 7:55 PM
                      69. Re: About repentance, about what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 19, 2016, 3:54 AM
                      70. Losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 12:53 AM
                      71. Re: Losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
                      72. about losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 12:47 AM
                      73. Re: about losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 3:01 AM
                      74. About losing salvation, about what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      75. Re: About losing salvation, about what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:44 AM
                      76. Losing salvation, book of Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 11:50 PM
                      77. Re: Losing salvation, book of Revelation. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:23 PM
                      78. About losing salvation, the book of Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 10:49 PM
                      79. Re: About losing salvation, the book of Revelation. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 7:47 AM
                      80. About accepting Jesus as Lord, and about Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 1:08 AM
                      81. Re: About accepting Jesus as Lord, and about Revelation. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 11:06 AM
                      82. About being freed from slavery to sin, about accepting the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:26 PM
                      83. Re: About being freed from slavery to sin, about accepting the Bible. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 8:04 AM
                      84. Our continuing sinful nature. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 10:56 PM
                      85. Re: Our continuing sinful nature. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:16 AM
                      86. about slavery to sin. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:17 PM
                      87. Re: about slavery to sin. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:14 AM
                      88. Freeing from slavery to sin. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:43 PM
                      89. Re: Freeing from slavery to sin. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:18 AM
                      90. Who is our Savior? - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:58 PM
     
  5. FEAR and LOVE. To INCquisitor. Others are welcome. View Thread - Michael on Jul 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
    1. We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:43 PM
      1. Re: We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:25 AM
        1. Yes, we can lose salvation. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:27 PM
          1. Re: Yes, we can lose salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:36 AM
            1. One has to be careful not to jump to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:49 PM
              1. What jumping into conclusions are you talking about? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:43 AM
                1. You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
                  1. Re: You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:51 PM
                    1. There is no fear in love, but it has to be interpreted. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:19 PM
                      1. Finally, you believe in scriptures and accept that there is no fear in love. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
                      2. Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
                      3. Re: Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:10 AM
                      4. We are not perfect yet. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      5. That what you bleiev and say, contrary to what scriptures say. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      6. Can any human be without any fears? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      7. Re: Can any human be without any fears? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      8. Your focus does not seem to work. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:33 PM
                      9. Re: Your focus does not seem to work. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
                      10. What does it mean? - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:33 PM
                      11. Re: What does it mean? - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
                      12. Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      13. Re: Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 2:46 AM
                      14. Does anyone not fear? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      15. Re: Does anyone not fear? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 3:43 AM
                      16. Fear and perfect love. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 8:38 PM
                      17. Re: Fear and perfect love. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 8:25 AM
                      18. So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:35 PM
                      19. Re: So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:01 AM
                      20. So do you mean simply fear of God? - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 3:16 AM
                      21. Re: So do you mean simply fear of God? - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 3:41 AM
                      22. Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 1:44 AM
                      23. Re: Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:53 PM
                      24. Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:26 PM
                      25. Re: Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Michael on Dec 17, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      26. I see you still disagree. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
                      27. Re: I see you still disagree. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 2:48 AM
                      28. about fear. - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:47 PM
                      29. Re: about fear. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 8:28 AM
                      30. Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 9:34 PM
                      31. Re: Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      32. Good fear. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:09 PM
                      33. Re: Good fear. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:21 AM
                      34. Worldly fear. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:32 PM
                      35. Re: Worldly fear. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:20 AM
                      36. OK, you say Nothing more. So this has ended. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:49 PM
     
  6. Have nothing to do with such people. View Thread - Michael on Oct 28, 2015, 11:41 PM
    1. Of course having nothing to do with such evil people, does not mean not bringing them - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:15 AM
      1. They are always learning, yet never able to come to the knowledge of the truth - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:06 PM
        1. This is about what the situation will be in the last days, see verses 1-2. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 10:37 AM
          1. Have nothing to do with such people, was Paul's admonition - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 2:34 AM
            1. I agree with you basically in everything. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 5:42 PM
              1. Re: I agree with you basically in everything. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 12:15 AM
                1. I don't know if Felix Manalo became saved, or lost his salvation, and maybe regained - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:44 PM
                  1. Not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:05 AM
                    1. OK, what issue would you prefer to discuss instead? - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:50 PM
                      1. Do you say FYM is a false teacher or prophet or messenger? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:14 AM
                      2. FYM did not call himself a prophet, so I can't call him a false prophet. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
                      3. I respect your view Tomas. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      4. FYM wrongly interpreted some prophecies, so he wrongly concluded that - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      5. Did you tell that to the INC? - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
                      6. I have tried to talk to INC members, when they ever appear on the other forum, - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 1:13 AM
                      7. So what do you call FYM? A false what? - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 2:15 AM
                      8. A false last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:10 PM
                      9. Who do you believe is the last messenger that God have sent? - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
                      10. The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      11. Re: The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 6:38 AM
                      12. Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      13. Re: Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 10:37 PM
                      14. But then we would not know who is sent. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      15. Re: But then we would not know who is sent. - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 11:01 PM
                      16. Of course the apostles were among those we know were saved. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:42 PM
                      17. Re: Of course the apostles were among those we know were saved. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 1:41 AM
                      18. So you think that Paul meant only the apostles were sent? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:32 PM
                      19. Re: So you think that Paul meant only the apostles were sent? - Michael on Oct 25, 2016, 3:04 AM
                      20. About the apostles, and those who preach. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 9:36 PM
                      21. Re: About the apostles, and those who preach. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 6:00 AM
                      22. Are you claiming that there was a temporary ban on anyone but apostles preaching? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:57 PM
                      23. Re: Are you claiming that there was a temporary ban on anyone but apostles preaching? - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 5:19 AM
                      24. Now I see what you mean. My answer below. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 2:28 AM
                      25. Re: Now I see what you mean. My answer below. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      26. Maybe I am still unsure what you mean. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:51 PM
                      27. Re: Maybe I am still unsure what you mean. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 1:44 AM
                      28. About the preachers. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:18 PM
                      29. Re: About the preachers. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 2:54 AM
                      30. preachers of the gospel - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      31. Re: preachers of the gospel - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:36 AM
                      32. about the preachers of the gospel. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:06 PM
                      33. Re: about the preachers of the gospel. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:38 AM
                      34. Yes, they were sent differently from us. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      35. Re: Yes, they were sent differently from us. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:24 AM
                      36. OK, so you have ended the discussion. So it is done. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:48 PM
     
  7. INCquisitor, is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, a false God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 3, 2015, 9:50 AM
    1. Jesus is a FALSE God to people who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 4, 2015, 4:05 AM
      1. Do you know of anyone mentioned in scriptures said to believe that Jesus Christ is God? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 3:47 AM
        1. Scriptures do not speak of trinity nor Trinitarians who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 5:20 AM
          1. Scriptures don't speak of binitarians or modalists who believed Christ is God, but - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 6:18 AM
            1. And Tomas, are you still immersed in possibilities, and not in truth? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 10:15 AM
              1. In truth revealed in the Bible, and in possibilities where truth is not revealed. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                1. That's right. In possibilities, not truths. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 7:46 PM
                  1. I believe in all the truths revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:51 AM
                    1. That's good Tomas. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 7:09 PM
                      1. Can we know who the Son is? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
                      2. I don't know about you. Peter did. And I, and many others do. - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      3. Peter did not know if the Son is God. Neither do you, even though you think you know. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 9:22 PM
                      4. What you asked was this "Can we know WHO the Son is?" - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 5:48 AM
                      5. We don't know who the Son is ultimately. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 12:32 AM
                      6. You and many others perhaps, but not the children of God. - Michael on Jan 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      7. Neither do we, the children of God, know. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 6:55 AM
                      8. Only to you Tomas, not to me. - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 7:31 AM
                      9. You think you know, but you are misguided in this. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
                      10. I am not Tomas. Scriptures is my guide. You are. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      11. You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:18 AM
                      12. Re: You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 8:50 AM
                      13. Yes, and scriptures guide us to lots of truths. But of course not all truth. Some truths - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:07 PM
                      14. The OT (some truths) were for sometime with the Israelites, yet still have not seen some.. - Michael on May 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
                      15. There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 5:38 PM
                      16. Re: There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 11:44 AM
                      17. About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 1:55 PM
                      18. Re: About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
                      19. About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
                      20. Re: About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 2:33 PM
                      21. About the various issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 6:29 PM
                      22. Re: About the various issues. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 10:16 AM
                      23. About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 5:36 PM
                      24. Re: About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 10:07 AM
                      25. More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 2:47 AM
                      26. Re: More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Michael on Jun 19, 2016, 7:49 AM
                      27. Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:46 PM
                      28. Re: Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Michael on Jun 26, 2016, 3:06 AM
                      29. We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:25 PM
                      30. Re: We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Michael on Jul 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
                      31. You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      32. Re: You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 1:53 AM
                      33. You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 4:39 AM
                      34. Re: You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Michael on Jul 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
                      35. Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Tomas on Jul 30, 2016, 5:59 PM
                      36. Re: Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 5:42 AM
                      37. It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:04 PM
                      38. Re: It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 3:29 AM
                      39. It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:58 PM
                      40. Re: It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 7:57 AM
                      41. The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:06 PM
                      42. Re: The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:30 AM
                      43. What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:43 PM
                      44. Re: What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      45. About true gods. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:12 PM
                      46. Re: About true gods. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:15 AM
                      47. The footnote is not inerrant. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:11 PM
                      48. Re: The footnote is not inerrant. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:08 AM
                      49. Judges as gods. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:14 PM
                      50. Re: Judges as gods. - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 11:58 PM
                      51. Judges and others as gods. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:31 PM
                      52. Re: Judges and others as gods. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 3:10 AM
                      53. who are gods? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 7:55 PM
                      54. Re: who are gods? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 4:06 AM
                      55. Christ simply explained what it means to be true gods. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 8:18 PM
                      56. Re: Christ simply explained what it means to be true gods. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 8:56 AM
                      57. Yes, he did. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      58. Re: Yes, he did. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 3:53 AM
                      59. About gods. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 1:45 AM
                      60. Re: About gods. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 7:30 PM
                      61. About being only-begotten, and about gods. - Tomas on Dec 18, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      62. Re: About being only-begotten, and about gods. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 5:08 AM
                      63. About John 3:16 and about gods. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
                      64. Re: About John 3:16 and about gods. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 11:22 AM
                      65. John 3:16, gods - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 9:59 PM
                      66. Re: John 3:16, gods - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:47 AM
                      67. John 3:16 - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 9:53 PM
                      68. Re: John 3:16 - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:53 AM
                      69. 'so' in John 3:16. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:15 PM
                      70. Re: 'so' in John 3:16. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 5:07 AM
                      71. Blessing and love, towards Adam and Eve. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:41 PM
            2. He who has not heard Jesus or has, but does not believe in him is condemned. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 2:02 PM
              1. Sure we have to believe in Jesus. But believing he is not God or is God is irrelevant for - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 2:25 PM
                1. What you say leads others to fall into the ditch. - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:31 AM
                  1. Not true at all. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 8:04 AM
                    1. It's impossible to discuss intelligently with you! - INcquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 11:13 AM
                      1. You sure give up discussions easily. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:16 PM
                      2. You don't answer rationally, that's why. - INCquisitor on Dec 19, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      3. Are you accusing trinitarians, binitarians, modalists, of also not answering rationally? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:38 AM
                      4. Aren't they? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 4:29 AM
                      5. No, it is a logical deduction, whether it happens to be truth or not. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
                      6. Arguing WITHOUT considering ALL other facts is IRRATIONAL! - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:09 AM
                      7. from you! - Nom on Jan 29, 2016, 10:22 PM
                      8. Not from INCquisitor. Modalists had that belief, that Christ is the Father, already in the - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      9. My belief is based on what is written in the Todays' English Version of John 17:12. - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:29 AM
                      10. I haven't seen Nom here for a long time. So surely he won't answer you. But - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:58 PM
                      11. How come Jesus is called Jesus Christ, Christ or Christ Jesus? - INCquisitor on Jun 26, 2016, 9:01 AM
                      12. The word Christ comes from Greek Christos, which means anointed. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:41 PM
          2. So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 9:53 AM
            1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:43 AM
              1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 8:23 PM
                1. To those who do not believe that Jesus is God, Jesus is not a false god. - INCquisitor on Dec 12, 2015, 1:18 PM
                  1. Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 11:03 AM
                    1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 16, 2015, 4:36 PM
                      1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 16, 2015, 9:47 PM
                      2. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 17, 2015, 5:59 PM
                      3. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 9:47 AM
                      4. Who is the "another" Jesus that FALSE teachers preached (2 Cor. 11:3-4)? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 7:45 PM
                      5. That's a good thing to study in Scriptures INCquisitor. Hope you would. - Michael on Dec 24, 2015, 2:45 AM
                      6. Nicene Creed: Jesus is God of God, who came down from heaven and was made man. - INCquisitor on Dec 24, 2015, 8:07 PM
                      7. Take issue on that with the RCC, INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 7:31 PM
                      8. Trinitarians say that Jesus "came as God and became man." Nicene Creed proves that. - INCquisitor on Jan 5, 2016, 6:08 AM
                      9. As I said, take issue on that with those who say that. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 8:22 AM
     
  8. Questions for Tomas. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:51 AM
    1. I would have thought such questions would make more sense when - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:42 AM
      1. It should make sense to all Tomas. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 7:37 AM
        1. Clearly we agree on most doctrines here. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:38 AM
          1. Re: Clearly we agree on most doctrines here. - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 4:14 AM
            1. OK, I guess persuade is not the right word. - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 2:21 AM
              1. Re: OK, I guess persuade is not the right word. - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 4:36 AM
                1. Redemption is part of the good news. - Tomas on Dec 3, 2016, 10:58 PM
                  1. Re: Redemption is part of the good news. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 11:38 PM
                    1. Look at Mt. 11:28 again. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:19 PM
                      1. Re: Look at Mt. 11:28 again. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 8:47 AM
                      2. Why not? - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 11:59 PM
                      3. Re: Why not? - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 5:59 AM
                      4. It is what each verse says, in light of what the rest of the Bible says. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 2:14 AM
                      5. Re: It is what each verse says, in light of what the rest of the Bible says. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:34 AM
                      6. To understand each verse properly, foreknowledge has to be taken into account. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:47 AM
                      7. Re: To understand each verse properly, foreknowledge has to be taken into account. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:21 PM
                      8. About foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:42 PM
                      9. Re: About foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:22 AM
                      10. More about foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 12:00 AM
                      11. Re: More about foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 4:31 AM
                      12. More about foreknowledge and about worship. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 10:51 PM
                      13. Re: More about foreknowledge and about worship. - Michael on Feb 18, 2017, 11:30 PM
                      14. Foreknowledge and being called. And about worship. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:21 PM
     
  9. The Gospel Of Christ View Thread - INCquisitor on Nov 13, 2016, 9:17 AM
    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 16, 2016, 3:36 PM
        1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 12:13 AM
          1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 18, 2016, 7:02 PM
            1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
              1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 7:41 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:07 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 1:23 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 4:20 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 6:07 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 8:14 AM
                      3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 24, 2016, 10:38 AM
                      4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 25, 2016, 7:03 AM
                      5. Anyone who desires to attain eternal life must heed the gospel of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:12 PM
              2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 7:54 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:11 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 1:27 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 4:25 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 6:14 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 8:34 AM
                      3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 24, 2016, 4:30 PM
                      4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 25, 2016, 7:07 AM
                      5. Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:22 PM
              3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 8:46 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:47 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 3:54 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 5:22 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 7:04 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 9:25 AM
                      3. Jesus did not come to destroy the prophets, that's true. - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
                      4. Prophets is plural, so it is not just Ezekiel. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 8:54 PM
              4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 9:21 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 11:00 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 5:50 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 5:13 PM
     
  10. To Tomas, INCqisitor, and all: Ephesians 1 View Thread - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 9:19 AM
    1. I guess it is not always obvious who is the 'he'. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 11:02 PM
      1. Re: I guess it is not always obvious who is the 'he'. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:08 AM
        1. Why Paul wrote it that way? - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:38 AM
          1. Re: Why Paul wrote it that way? - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:38 AM
            1. We can't solve everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:30 AM
              1. Re: We can't solve everything in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:46 PM
                1. That's right. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:46 PM
                  1. Re: That's right. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 4:54 AM
                    1. OK, I will do my best in answering your new questions. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 12:19 AM
                      1. Re: OK, I will do my best in answering your new questions. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 3:42 AM
                      2. Answering the 2 new questions. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:06 PM
     
 
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