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  1. Question: Who do you say is the author of life? View Thread - Michael on Oct 14, 2016, 5:20 AM
    1. I have not found 'author of life' in Strong's concordance. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 1:35 PM
      1. Archēgon tēs zōēs - Michael on Oct 16, 2016, 5:23 AM
        1. OK, it's Acts 3:15. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2016, 6:55 PM
          1. Re: OK, it's Acts 3:15. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 9:10 AM
            1. Christ is the author of life, but the only one? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:37 PM
              1. Re: Christ is the author of life, but the only one? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 10:16 AM
                1. Is there nobody who could be the author of life but God? - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 6:42 PM
                  1. Re: Is there nobody who could be the author of life but God? - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 12:37 AM
                    1. I did not say that. - Tomas on Nov 5, 2016, 11:26 PM
                      1. Re: I did not say that. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 7:08 AM
                      2. Acts 3:15. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 1:03 AM
                      3. Re: Acts 3:15. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:00 PM
                      4. Concerning Acts 3:15. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 11:29 PM
                      5. Re: Concerning Acts 3:15. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 6:59 AM
                      6. The Bible does not say that only God can be the author of life. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 1:57 AM
                      7. Re: The Bible does not say that only God can be the author of life. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 8:51 AM
                      8. The Bible does not tell us explicitly that also God is the author of life. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:36 PM
                      9. Re: The Bible does not tell us explicitly that also God is the author of life. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 7:37 AM
                      10. Do I believe that God has life? - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 11:27 PM
                      11. Re: Do I believe that God has life? - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:41 AM
                      12. Where do I say God's life comes from? - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:45 PM
                      13. Re: Where do I say God's life comes from? - Michael on Feb 4, 2017, 5:27 AM
                      14. That is a weak argument. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 9:30 PM
                      15. Re: That is a weak argument. - Michael on Feb 10, 2017, 5:06 AM
                      16. It depends on what is meant by life. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 1:59 AM
                      17. Re: It depends on what is meant by life. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      18. Christ is the author of even his own biological life. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:36 PM
    2. The KJV which is the oldest version of Acts 3:15 says, "PRINCE of life...." - INCquisitor on Nov 5, 2016, 8:42 AM
      1. Go to the original Greek: Archēgon tēs zōēs - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 8:08 AM
     
  2. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. View Thread - Michael on May 9, 2016, 6:41 AM
    1. Yes, faith comes to us by hearing or reading about the gospel in the Bible. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:50 PM
      1. Faith cometh by hearing. Hearing whose word? - Michael on May 14, 2016, 11:04 PM
        1. The word of God. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 11:11 PM
          1. Faith comes from God, by hearing His words. It does not come from something, but from God. - Michael on May 22, 2016, 12:32 AM
            1. Faith comes from us hearing the word of God, so ultimately it comes from God. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 12:03 PM
              1. So you believe that your faith comes from you. I don't. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 12:52 PM
                1. Ultimately, faith is a gift from God. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 4:32 PM
                  1. Ultimately, faith comes from God, a gift from God. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 10:44 AM
                    1. OK, by your request, I'll answer your questions within your post. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 7:59 PM
                      1. Re: OK, by your request, I'll answer your questions within your post. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 1:56 AM
                      2. About faith, salvation, works, unity. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 6:40 PM
                      3. Re: About faith, salvation, works, unity. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
                      4. More about faith, salvation, unity. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 2:13 AM
                      5. Re: More about faith, salvation, unity. - Michael on Jun 19, 2016, 8:50 AM
                      6. Being saved but against God? And about receiving. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:12 PM
                      7. Re: Being saved but against God? And about receiving. - Michael on Jul 15, 2016, 12:37 PM
                      8. Against God, receiving versus not receiving. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 9:47 PM
                      9. Re: Against God, receiving versus not receiving. - Michael on Jul 16, 2016, 10:30 PM
                      10. Not against God, receiving or not receiving. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 11:44 PM
                      11. Re: Not against God, receiving or not receiving. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 8:26 AM
                      12. About what is ungodly, about receiving and not receiving. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 6:20 PM
                      13. Re: About what is ungodly, about receiving and not receiving. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 6:20 AM
                      14. About private interpretation, about receiving from God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 6:00 PM
                      15. Re: About private interpretation, about receiving from God. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 2:49 AM
                      16. More about private interpretation, receiving from God. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 7:59 PM
                      17. Re: More about private interpretation, receiving from God. - Michael on Sep 8, 2016, 8:23 AM
                      18. You have skipped the section about private interpretation. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 2:06 PM
                      19. Re: You have skipped the section about private interpretation. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 2:58 AM
                      20. Private interpretation and Rom. 14, and 1 Cor. 4:6-7. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 4:16 AM
                      21. Re: Private interpretation and Rom. 14, and 1 Cor. 4:6-7. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 8:51 AM
                      22. About private interpretation, Rom. 14, 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 8:38 PM
                      23. Re: About private interpretation, Rom. 14, 1 Cor. 4:6. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 10:22 AM
                      24. Private interpretation, Rom. 14, 1 Cor. 4. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 1:46 AM
                      25. Re: Private interpretation, Rom. 14, 1 Cor. 4. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 6:16 AM
                      26. Private interpretation, Rom. 14 and sinful eating, 1 Cor. 4. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 3:02 AM
                      27. Re: Private interpretation, Rom. 14 and sinful eating, 1 Cor. 4. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 10:34 AM
                      28. Rom. 14 and sinful eating, Apollos. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 2:52 AM
                      29. Re: Rom. 14 and sinful eating, Apollos. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 3:24 AM
                      30. Sinful eating, Apollos. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 1:55 AM
                      31. Re: Sinful eating, Apollos. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 7:20 PM
                      32. Concerning sinful eating and drinking. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      33. Re: Concerning sinful eating and drinking. - Michael on Dec 19, 2016, 6:11 AM
                      34. It seems so simple to you, but don't ignore other verses. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 8:27 PM
                      35. Re: It seems so simple to you, but don't ignore other verses. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:43 AM
                      36. You are still ignoring the other verses. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:23 AM
                      37. Re: You are still ignoring the other verses. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:51 AM
                      38. But I already told you what I say the verse means. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:19 AM
                      39. Re: But I already told you what I say the verse means. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 11:50 PM
                      40. Sinful eating and drinking. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:20 PM
                      41. Re: Sinful eating and drinking. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:58 AM
                      42. More about sinful eating and drinking. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 11:14 PM
                      43. Re: More about sinful eating and drinking. - Michael on Feb 6, 2017, 6:47 AM
                      44. And more about sinful eating and drinking. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 2:21 AM
                      45. Re: And more about sinful eating and drinking. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 2:53 AM
                      46. So let me answer. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:31 PM
    2. Faith does not come from God; neither is faith a gift from God. - INCquisitor on May 29, 2016, 11:38 AM
      1. Re: Faith does not come from God; neither is faith a gift from God. - Michael on May 31, 2016, 11:09 AM
        1. Faith is the result of hearing, believing and obeying the gospel of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
          1. ara he pistis ex akoes, he de akoe dia rhematos Christou. - Michael on Jun 21, 2016, 9:25 AM
            1. Re: ara he pistis ex akoes, he de akoe dia rhematos Christou. - INCquisitor on Jul 17, 2016, 10:49 AM
              1. Re: ara he pistis ex akoes, he de akoe dia rhematos Christou. - Michael on Jul 19, 2016, 1:43 PM
     
  3. 2] Tomas and all, consider this scripture: John 6:38 View Thread - Michael on May 13, 2016, 9:00 AM
    1. My answers: - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 1:00 PM
      1. Re: My answers: - Michael on May 15, 2016, 1:26 AM
        1. My response to your response: - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 3:53 PM
          1. Re: My response to your response: - Michael on May 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
            1. My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 5:08 PM
              1. Re: My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 6:32 AM
                1. About the LORD of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 7:06 PM
                  1. Re: About the LORD of hosts. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 2:09 AM
                    1. About Yahweh of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 6:14 PM
                      1. Re: About Yahweh of hosts. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 7:18 AM
                      2. What does that mean? - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:51 AM
                      3. Re: What does that mean? - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 3:03 AM
                      4. What is Yahweh of hosts? - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      5. Re: What is Yahweh of hosts? - Michael on Jul 15, 2016, 1:12 PM
                      6. King of kings and Lord of lords. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 8:36 PM
                      7. God is the King of kings and the Lord of Lords. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 3:38 AM
                      8. The same is true of Christ. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 12:11 AM
                      9. That's right, and that's the point. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 4:30 AM
                      10. That does not prove Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:17 PM
                      11. For you, I understand. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:02 AM
                      12. The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:04 PM
                      13. Re: The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 8:08 AM
                      14. You think it teaches Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
                      15. And you think it doesn't, or it may or may not. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 6:05 AM
                      16. It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 6:22 PM
                      17. Re: It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Michael on Oct 1, 2016, 11:43 PM
                      18. Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
                      19. Re: Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 9:18 AM
                      20. The task was somewhat simpler for the Bereans. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 9:36 PM
                      21. Simpler or more difficult, is not the matter. - Michael on Oct 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
                      22. Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 9:09 PM
                      23. Re: Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      24. Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 1:27 AM
                      25. Re: Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 2:56 AM
                      26. But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 2:05 AM
                      27. Re: But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 6:42 PM
                      28. The principle is Bible alone. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2016, 3:30 AM
                      29. Re: The principle is Bible alone. - Michael on Dec 19, 2016, 5:40 AM
                      30. I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
                      31. Re: I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:14 AM
                      32. Of course, I am not infallible. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:30 AM
                      33. Re: Of course, I am not infallible. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:42 AM
                      34. I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 AM
                      35. Re: I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:58 PM
                      36. God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      37. Re: God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:36 AM
                      38. God just won't give us new understanding today. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      39. Re: God just won't give us new understanding today. - Michael on Feb 6, 2017, 3:26 AM
                      40. I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      41. Re: I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 3:04 AM
                      42. I can't receive new understanding from God, none of us can. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:24 PM
    2. John 6:38 does not speak o Christ as preexisting in heaven. - INCquisitor on May 15, 2016, 9:15 AM
      1. How is John 6:38 a figure of speech? - Michael on May 15, 2016, 12:05 PM
        1. Re: How is John 6:38 a figure of speech? - INCquisitor on May 20, 2016, 5:24 PM
          1. What type of figure of speech is John 6:38, if you say it is? - Michael on May 21, 2016, 12:11 PM
            1. It is immaterial what figure of speech is John 6:38. - INCquisitor on May 22, 2016, 9:17 AM
              1. It is. For if you can't tell us, then you have no basis of saying it is a figure of speech - Michael on May 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
                1. If Jesus PHYSICALLY pre-existed in heaven, WHAT was he? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2016, 9:21 AM
                  1. If he physically preexisted, maybe he preexisted as a form. But he likely preexisted spi- - Tomas on May 29, 2016, 11:41 PM
                  2. Who said Jesus PHYSICALLY preexisted in heaven? - Michael on May 31, 2016, 11:47 AM
    3. Perhaps you can tell us what you think of John 6:38. - INCquisitor on Jun 12, 2016, 8:52 AM
      1. John 6:38 speaks of Him to have come down from heaven to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jun 17, 2016, 5:14 AM
     
  4. Love Jesus more than your children, mother, father. View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:28 PM
    1. Tell us what you think. Do you even know what love is? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:18 AM
      1. Do you INCquisitor? Anyway, please just address the issues at the OP, if you will. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:45 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:54 AM
      1. Re: Yes, Jesus is more important to us than our children or parents. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:56 PM
        1. Yes, if somebody loves his parents or children more than Jesus, not much love for Jesus. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:15 PM
          1. Come on Tomas. Could you just answer the questions and stop beating around the bush? - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 3:02 AM
            1. I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:00 PM
              1. Re: I am sad. I thought my answer answered your questions very directly. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:01 AM
                1. OK, my answers. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:40 AM
                  1. Re: OK, my answers. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:58 PM
                    1. That would be a terrible sin. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:58 AM
                      1. Why do you say it is a terrible sin? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:53 AM
                      2. Mt. 10:37. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:20 AM
                      3. A terrible sin you say, yet you haven't shown a commandment that was disobeyed. - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      4. Mt. 10:37 implies the commandment. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:23 AM
                      5. Re: Mt. 10:37 implies the commandment. - Michael on Sep 27, 2015, 10:37 AM
                      6. Regardless of reasons, we are clearly commanded to love him. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2015, 6:44 PM
                      7. The issue is why such a statement? Every messenger of God commands people to love God. - Michael on Sep 27, 2015, 9:59 PM
                      8. Yes, and in the New Testament we are commanded to love Jesus too. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 8:22 PM
                      9. The point is, no messenger sent of God points to themselves, moreso to love them greatly - Michael on Sep 30, 2015, 11:55 AM
                      10. Jesus is a messenger too, see Mal. 3:1. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:07 AM
                      11. Sure He is. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 6:11 AM
                      12. Jesus is special. He is not like normal human messengers. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 6:25 AM
                      13. And keep on going about evading the real issue Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 8:28 AM
                      14. OK, I will try to address every issue there that you raised. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 11:16 AM
                      15. I'd appreciate that. - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 8:00 PM
                      16. Jesus says what the Father tells him to say. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:17 AM
                      17. Re: Jesus says what the Father tells him to say. - Michael on Oct 15, 2015, 8:06 AM
                      18. Jesus obeys the Father's will. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:49 AM
                      19. Did Jesus said nothing or did nothing on his own and out of his own intention and accord? - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:26 AM
                      20. so Jesus is nothing but an avatar or robot? sad, so sad! - Nom on Oct 15, 2015, 8:41 AM
                      21. Not a robot, just an obedient person, just like the good angels. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:53 AM
                      22. If so, then Jesus do things on His own accord. - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      23. Sure on his own accord, but always in obedience to his Father. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      24. So, it's settled then. Jesus does things on His own accord. - Michael on Jan 7, 2016, 11:22 AM
                      25. Yes, just like the good angels, in obedience to the Father. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 5:16 AM
                      26. Re: Yes, just like the good angels, in obedience to the Father. - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 4:32 AM
                      27. The love of God the Father and the love of his Son are equal. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 11:15 AM
                      28. Of course they are, and are always equal. Not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Jan 25, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      29. Well, the Father did not lay down his life for us (unless he is the Christ). - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 3:14 AM
                      30. Re: Well, the Father did not lay down his life for us (unless he is the Christ). - Michael on May 9, 2016, 7:36 AM
                      31. About qualities being infinite, about forgiveness, about glory. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:44 PM
                      32. Re: About qualities being infinite, about forgiveness, about glory. - Michael on May 16, 2016, 9:06 AM
                      33. More about qualities being infinite, also forgiveness, and glory. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 6:12 PM
                      34. Re: More about qualities being infinite, also forgiveness, and glory. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 9:03 AM
                      35. More about infinite qualities, forgiveness, glory. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 10:39 AM
                      36. Re: More about infinite qualities, forgiveness, glory. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 12:50 PM
                      37. And more about infinite qualities, forgiveness, and glory. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 1:57 PM
                      38. Re: And more about infinite qualities, forgiveness, and glory. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 3:46 AM
                      39. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 12:35 AM
                      40. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 11:15 AM
                      41. About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 9:15 PM
                      42. Re: About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jul 16, 2016, 10:04 PM
                      43. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 11:14 PM
                      44. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, forgiveness. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 9:36 AM
                      45. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, etc. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 2:46 AM
                      46. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, etc. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 3:26 AM
                      47. Infinite qualities of angels, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 7:52 PM
                      48. Re: Infinite qualities of angels, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 1:53 AM
                      49. About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      50. Re: About infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Sep 15, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      51. Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 1:13 AM
                      52. Re: Infinite qualities, human nature of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 3:36 AM
                      53. character of holy angels, character of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 12:50 AM
                      54. Re: character of holy angels, character of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Oct 10, 2016, 9:19 AM
                      55. About character of holy angels, character of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 6:49 PM
                      56. Re: About character of holy angels, character of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 3:35 AM
                      57. Character of holy angels, of those given eternal life, of Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 11:48 PM
                      58. Re: Character of holy angels, of those given eternal life, of Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 4:05 AM
                      59. Character of those given eternal life, holy angels, Christ, salvation after death. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 8:24 PM
                      60. Re: Character of those given eternal life, holy angels, Christ, salvation after death. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 2:38 AM
                      61. Infinite holiness, salvation after death. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 12:28 AM
                      62. Re: Infinite holiness, salvation after death. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 6:23 AM
                      63. Infinite holiness, being created holy, salvation after death. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:56 AM
                      64. Re: Infinite holiness, being created holy, salvation after death. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 9:17 PM
                      65. Infinite holiness, being created not holy, salvation after death. - Tomas on Dec 18, 2016, 12:24 AM
                      66. Re: Infinite holiness, being created not holy, salvation after death. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 6:17 AM
                      67. Infinite holiness, being created holy or not holy, salvation after death. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 3:04 AM
                      68. Re: Infinite holiness, being created holy or not holy, salvation after death. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 7:13 AM
                      69. unbelieving embryos, salvation after death - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:54 PM
                      70. Re: unbelieving embryos, salvation after death - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 6:56 AM
                      71. Embryos that don't believe, salvation after death. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:06 AM
                      72. Re: Embryos that don't believe, salvation after death. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:18 AM
                      73. Embryos that simply do not believe, salvation after death. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:08 PM
                      74. Re: Embryos that simply do not believe, salvation after death. - Michael on Feb 4, 2017, 5:15 AM
                      75. Either one believes or not, prayers for the dead. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 10:38 PM
                      76. Re: Either one believes or not, prayers for the dead. - Michael on Feb 10, 2017, 5:40 AM
                      77. How else did the embryo sin? And salvation after death. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 1:48 AM
                      78. Re: How else did the embryo sin? And salvation after death. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 3:37 AM
                      79. People are born sinful. So embryos are sinful. And salvation after death. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:21 PM
    3. Christ's disciples have only one teacher (Matt. 23:8). - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 10:19 AM
      1. Jesus said "He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me". - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:10 AM
        1. Not worthy of Christ means not worthy of salvation. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
          1. INCquisitor, here is the issue under this thread (See the OP). So quit deviating. - Michael on Sep 28, 2015, 4:12 AM
            1. What does Jesus man by "love?" - INCquisitor on Nov 5, 2016, 8:19 AM
              1. Re: What does Jesus man by "love?" - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 8:40 AM
    4. Follow HIS command - tumpak on Jul 16, 2015, 10:31 AM
      1. Re: Follow HIS command - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:11 AM
      2. To be a Saint, to be Holy - tumpak on Jul 19, 2015, 7:51 AM
        1. To be a saint? - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 8:38 AM
      3. there was a young protestant - tumpak on Jul 20, 2015, 9:22 AM
        1. I studied the early 'fathers' too, and realized the RCC can't be the one true church. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:24 AM
          1. Do not go beyond what is written - tumpak on Jul 27, 2015, 10:14 AM
            1. Paul was referring to all the books of the Bible, including those not written yet - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:02 AM
            2. the Bible??? - tumpak on Aug 10, 2015, 5:47 AM
              1. Yes, Tumpak, the whole Bible, whatever is written, 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 7:22 AM
              2. where is your prove that Paul was referring to the - tumpak on Aug 17, 2015, 8:15 AM
                1. Not to go beyond what is written. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 8:04 AM
                2. Paul says "...what is written" - tumpak on Aug 25, 2015, 9:07 AM
                  1. When he wrote 'what is written', most of the Bible already had been written, - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:26 AM
                  2. it's a saying - tumpak on Sep 14, 2015, 1:39 AM
                    1. Had Paul written "beyond what was written", then he could not write anything more - Tomas on Sep 19, 2015, 9:12 AM
                  3. Re: Paul says "...what is written" - tumpak on Oct 15, 2015, 3:01 AM
                    1. Paul did not have the whole Bible yet, but he knew it would be completed. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 10:02 AM
            3. What is your answer to your question Tumpak? - Michael on Aug 10, 2015, 11:31 AM
     
  5. The Gospel Of Christ View Thread - INCquisitor on Nov 13, 2016, 9:17 AM
    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 16, 2016, 3:36 PM
        1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 12:13 AM
          1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 18, 2016, 7:02 PM
            1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
              1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 7:41 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:07 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 1:23 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 4:20 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 6:07 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 8:14 AM
                      3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 24, 2016, 10:38 AM
                      4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 25, 2016, 7:03 AM
                      5. Anyone who desires to attain eternal life must heed the gospel of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:12 PM
              2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 7:54 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:11 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 1:27 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 4:25 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 6:14 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 8:34 AM
                      3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 24, 2016, 4:30 PM
                      4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 25, 2016, 7:07 AM
                      5. Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:22 PM
              3. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 8:46 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 10:47 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 3:54 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 21, 2016, 5:22 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 7:04 PM
                      2. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 9:25 AM
                      3. Jesus did not come to destroy the prophets, that's true. - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 12:37 PM
                      4. Prophets is plural, so it is not just Ezekiel. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 8:54 PM
                      5. Obviously, you do NOT know what Jesus was sent by God for. - INCquisitor on Mar 4, 2017, 3:36 PM
                      6. Sure, the main thing Jesus was sent by God for was to die for our sins, - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 7:24 PM
                      7. God did not send Jesus to "die for our sins." - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2017, 12:18 PM
                      8. Romans 10:4 says "For Christ is the end of the law , so that there may be - Tomas on Mar 5, 2017, 4:00 PM
                      9. Paul was referring to rightousness of faith" (Rom. 10:6). - INCquiditor on Mar 6, 2017, 6:04 PM
                      10. Yes, faith is necessary for salvation. And Rom. 10:9 does specify two salvation - Tomas on Mar 7, 2017, 11:23 PM
                      11. You say, "That means we NEED to OBEY him." - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2017, 5:24 AM
                      12. I obey Mt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. That instruction permits us not to always wash - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 6:51 PM
                      13. If you MISINTERPRET Matt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15... - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2017, 6:35 PM
                      14. I do not misinterpret Mt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15, you do. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 6:44 AM
                      15. Matt. 15:11 and MNarrk 7:15 is NOT about eating with unwashed hands. - INCquiitor on Mar 16, 2017, 6:34 PM
                      16. It sure is. Look at the context. - Tomas on Mar 16, 2017, 10:28 PM
              4. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2016, 9:21 AM
                1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 11:00 AM
                  1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2016, 5:50 PM
                    1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 10:02 AM
                      1. Re: The Gospel Of Christ - INCquisitor on Feb 19, 2017, 5:13 PM
     
  6. He who says that no one knows the true nature of Christ is NOT a Christian. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 2017, 6:38 AM
    1. The Bible of course does not say any such thing. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:46 PM
      1. Jesus said to the Father, "that they may know YOU, the ONLY TRUE God..." (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Feb 26, 2017, 3:13 PM
        1. Of course saved Christians agree that that the Father is the only true God. - Tomas on Feb 26, 2017, 5:16 PM
          1. The word "only" does not need the word "alone" to comvey the..... - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2017, 6:35 PM
            1. You see, if God is more than one person, then each person is the only true God, - Tomas on Mar 2, 2017, 9:56 PM
              1. Your premise is FALSE. - INCquisitor on Mar 4, 2017, 6:59 AM
                1. God could well be more than one person. Certainly trinitarian and also binitarian - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 11:51 AM
                  1. The Son is definitely NOT God because the Father is the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Mar 4, 2017, 3:31 PM
                    1. The Son could be God too, for example in John 1:1, where it says The Word was - Tomas on Mar 4, 2017, 7:16 PM
                      1. The word of Jesus ritten in John 8:40 and John 17:3 PREVAILS over - INCquiditor on Mar 6, 2017, 6:06 PM
                      2. The word of Jesus in John 8:40 and 17:3 is in harmony with the verses I cited - Tomas on Mar 7, 2017, 11:04 PM
                      3. The verses you cited, minus your explanation, harmonixze with John 8:40 and John 17:3. - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2017, 5:29 AM
                      4. My explanation suggests that it is possible that Jesus also is the only true God. - Tomas on Mar 12, 2017, 6:25 PM
                      5. Your INTERPRETATION of the verses you cited CONTRADICT... - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2017, 6:43 PM
                      6. No, it does not. I do believe that the Father is the only true God. But it might - Tomas on Mar 15, 2017, 6:22 AM
     
  7. Questions: Who will and can come to the Son? Who can come to the Father? ..... View Thread - Michael on Oct 11, 2016, 5:27 AM
    1. Basically I agree with you, though with the little qualification, - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 1:46 PM
      1. Re: Basically I agree with you, though with the little qualification, - Michael on Oct 16, 2016, 4:11 AM
        1. OK, answering each part. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2016, 7:02 PM
          1. Re: OK, answering each part. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 8:12 AM
            1. Continuing with each part. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:52 PM
              1. Re: Continuing with each part. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 11:00 AM
                1. Continuing further with each part. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 6:29 PM
                  1. Re: Continuing further with each part. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 12:27 AM
                    1. And continuing further. - Tomas on Nov 7, 2016, 12:04 AM
                      1. Re: And continuing further. - Michael on Nov 8, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      2. Continuing further. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
                      3. Re: Continuing further. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 9:53 PM
                      4. And continuing on. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 11:56 PM
                      5. Re: And continuing on. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 6:51 AM
                      6. Continuing on with each part. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 2:18 AM
                      7. Re: Continuing on with each part. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 7:52 AM
                      8. Going on, with each part. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:43 PM
                      9. Re: Going on, with each part. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 7:27 AM
                      10. Going on with two of the parts. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 11:41 PM
                      11. Re: Going on with two of the parts. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:35 AM
                      12. Continuing with the 2 parts. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:39 PM
                      13. Re: Continuing with the 2 parts. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 1:15 AM
                      14. The 2 parts. - Tomas on Feb 13, 2017, 12:03 AM
                      15. Re: The 2 parts. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 3:48 AM
                      16. More in the 2 parts. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 10:26 PM
     
  8. For Tomas only: Verses that speaks of Christ's Deity. View Thread - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 3:51 AM
    1. the Logos was divine - tf on Aug 22, 2014, 3:31 AM
      1. Finally TF had a voice again. The Logos was divine. So? - Michael on Aug 22, 2014, 2:34 PM
        1. it was not me who admitted this truth - tf on Aug 25, 2014, 4:05 AM
          1. So TF, what now? - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
            1. so what now?? - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 3:53 AM
              1. Tell us what you and INC say and not what others say. That's what. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
                1. stop crying... - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
                  1. How can theos mean divine as adjective? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:02 AM
                    1. Re: How can theos mean divine as adjective? - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:17 PM
                      1. I am surprised those two Greek grammarians did not know - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
                      2. This is not the first example in which INC falls for (or better: takes advantage of) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:09 PM
                      3. According to Tomas "a god" appears in many verses of the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 4, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      4. Well, sometimes in Greek there is just no definite article - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:37 AM
                      5. Cause of disharmony in the Bible: "a god" Why would I waste any more time with you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:49 AM
                      6. Have you heard of this? - Wayne on Feb 5, 2016, 12:21 AM
                      7. Qualitative nouns means nouns referring to some quality. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 6:40 AM
                      8. "the predicate noun can define or describe the subject noun" - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      9. Adjectives can describe too, just like nouns can describe. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 11:17 AM
                      10. You put "a" before "god" so that's no longer anarthrous - Wayne on Feb 6, 2016, 4:33 PM
                      11. It is not anarthous in English, but it is anarthous in ancient Greek. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 7:39 PM
                      12. "The word was a god" is it the same as "A god was the word"???? - Wayne on Mar 25, 2016, 6:12 PM
                      13. In English, to put a god in the beginning, that would make it the subject of the sentence. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 5:59 AM
                  2. Stand up on your own feet TF. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:51 AM
    2. Why "For Tomas only?" - INCquisitor on Aug 25, 2014, 6:22 PM
      1. This was coming from one of our discussion in another thread. - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 9:49 PM
      2. Herr Incquisitor, you are a New Yorker. Are you pals with this male New Yorker? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 26, 2014, 6:43 PM
        1. Welcome to this forum. Is Pellien now in New York? - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:56 AM
    3. Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:11 AM
      1. So verse John 1:1 is best translated "... and the Word was a god". - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:18 AM
        1. No, I am not JW, even though I started my Bible study with them. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
      2. Re: Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Michael on Sep 9, 2014, 12:39 AM
        1. About the Word, and the word. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:52 AM
          1. Re: About the Word, and the word. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 7:55 AM
            1. About a god, the Word of life. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 11:22 AM
              1. Re: About a god, the Word of life. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 4:42 AM
                1. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:25 PM
                  1. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:10 AM
                  2. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:31 AM
                    1. Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
                      1. Re: Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:22 PM
                      2. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:57 PM
                      3. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:32 PM
                      4. Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 8:11 PM
                      5. Re: Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      6. Seems to me you keep jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. Seems to me Tomas, that's all you can seem to say. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 7:40 AM
                      8. No, on many doctrines I agree with you. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      9. Do you Tomas? - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 8:27 AM
                      10. Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      11. Re: Yes, I do. Like about the meaning of verses which INC takes to refer to FYM. - Michael on Feb 6, 2015, 9:27 AM
                      12. about truth, lake of fire, inheritance - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 3:07 AM
                      13. Ok - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 5:55 AM
                      14. God is not sadistic, so conscious eternal torment would not please him. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 9:37 AM
                      15. And who is saying God is? - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 10:51 AM
                      16. Would God create conscious eternal torment, and it would not please him? Then why do it? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:14 AM
                      17. God desires all men to be saved and not suffer the curse that sin brings. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 4:55 AM
                      18. Of course. But he knows some will not be saved, and he would not want for them conscious - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 9:25 AM
                      19. God does not desire anything like that for anyone. It was man's choice. - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 11:49 AM
                      20. Wow, it would take an extreme masochist, to actually want to suffer eternal torment. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 2:32 PM
                      21. Are you now saying that it is God who wanted them to have eternal death? - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 9:02 PM
                      22. If they refuse to have faith or repent, to the end, then no more hope for them, - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 10:13 PM
                      23. So, who wants them to have eternal death? Is it God or is it themselves who reject Christ? - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      24. God will want that. Now He wants them saved. I'm not aware of anyone wanting eternal death - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 7:50 PM
                      25. So, Tomas you believe that God wanted that all along. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 9:50 PM
                      26. God knows some will not be saved. But now he wants all saved anyway. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 5:29 PM
                      27. Of course God knows all things, Tomas. But knowing and wanting are two different things. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 6:35 PM
                      28. That's my point, they are different, God knows all but now wants all to be saved. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 11:02 AM
                      29. Who says what and when is a punishment just Tomas? You? - Michael on Feb 19, 2016, 6:58 PM
                      30. God does, through the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2016, 8:22 PM
                      31. That's right. Not you, nor anyone, for that matter. - Michael on Feb 21, 2016, 6:34 PM
                      32. But I believe what God says. Your belief about it is not in harmony with God's word. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:58 PM
                      33. Of course that's what you'll say. - Michael on Feb 29, 2016, 3:45 PM
                      34. Because that is what I believe the Bible says. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      35. Right. That is what you think what the Bible says. But it's not what the Bible says. - Michael on Mar 20, 2016, 5:21 AM
                      36. You skipped answering some sections. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 6:16 AM
                      37. Re: You skipped answering some sections. - Michael on May 6, 2016, 10:17 AM
                      38. Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      39. Re: Thank you for not skipping any sections this time, I appreciate it. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 5:36 AM
                      40. More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 9:28 PM
                      41. Re: More about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 5:26 AM
                      42. Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 8:35 PM
                      43. Re: Still more about the lake of fire, and being an heir. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 2:03 AM
                      44. Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 7:50 AM
                      45. Re: Lake of fire, being dead now, about inheriting. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 12:57 PM
                      46. Being dead now, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 7:27 PM
                      47. Re: Being dead now, lake of fire. - Michael on Jul 19, 2016, 12:20 PM
                      48. What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 7:12 PM
                      49. Re: What does being dead mean, lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 5:28 AM
                      50. Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 7:05 PM
                      51. Re: Your teaching about judgement right after death, and about lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 8:58 PM
                      52. Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 21, 2016, 12:28 AM
                      53. Re: Your belief about judgement right after death, and about time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      54. Judgments, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 3:17 AM
                      55. Re: Judgments, and time that is coming. - Michael on Aug 31, 2016, 8:27 AM
                      56. Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 9:47 PM
                      57. Re: Judgments and resurrections, and time that is coming. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 5:07 AM
                      58. More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 7:57 PM
                      59. Re: More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 9:49 PM
                      60. And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 10:52 PM
                      61. Re: And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 2:28 AM
                      62. Still more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 2:40 AM
                      63. Re: Still more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 6:05 AM
                      64. More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 10:56 PM
                      65. Re: More about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 4:13 AM
                      66. And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 9:56 PM
                      67. Re: And more about judgments and resurrections, and the hour that is coming. - Michael on Oct 24, 2016, 7:32 AM
                      68. More about judgments, and final judgment. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 12:18 AM
                      69. Re: More about judgments, and final judgment. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 1:30 AM
                      70. about judgments. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:47 PM
                      71. Re: about judgments. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:23 AM
                      72. Judgments. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:11 AM
                      73. Re: Judgments. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:07 PM
                      74. The meanings of the words in Hebrew and Greek. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 11:22 PM
                      75. Re: The meanings of the words in Hebrew and Greek. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 7:16 AM
                      76. My own version? No, I accept the wording in the languages in which it was revealed. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 1:47 AM
                      77. Re: My own version? No, I accept the wording in the languages in which it was revealed. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 10:01 AM
                      78. Yes, translations into English should be evaluated. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:32 PM
                      79. Re: Yes, translations into English should be evaluated. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 7:44 AM
                      80. I don't intend to translate the whole Bible to English. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 11:10 PM
                      81. Re: I don't intend to translate the whole Bible to English. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 1:52 AM
                      82. Replacing the verb judge. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:25 PM
                      83. Re: Replacing the verb judge. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:04 AM
                      84. The verb evaluate. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:55 PM
                      85. Re: The verb evaluate. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 3:57 AM
                      86. The art of translation. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 10:10 PM
    4. Up for Michael, since you Michael wanted to discuss the lake of fire on separate thread. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:52 AM
    5. Up for Michael. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 7:02 AM
    6. Up again for Michael. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 3:30 AM
     
  9. The gospel of Felix Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ View Thread - Michael on Jun 4, 2015, 4:49 PM
    1. So INC has added more requirements for salvation. Still, they believe in the same gospel - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:39 AM
      1. That's not the way it is Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:41 PM
        1. No, INC also knows that whosoever believes in Him (the Son of God) shall be saved, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 2:10 PM
          1. The issue is about what is the gospel of Manalo and the gospel of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jun 7, 2015, 4:01 AM
            1. I don't actually know what INC teaches is the gospel, I have to admit - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 2:50 PM
              1. So, you say and admit that you don't know the gospel INC preach. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 12:21 AM
                1. What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:34 AM
                  1. Re: What I say is I don't know how they define what the gospel means. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:43 PM
                    1. They do believe that a few unbelievers are saved by their conscience. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:20 AM
                      1. Unbelievers saved? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 2:20 AM
                      2. Yes, they generally avoid saying that. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      3. So they intentionally avoid preaching a truth they believe? - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
                      4. Yes, at least to beginners, who are given only the milk. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:45 AM
                      5. Beginners? Milk? - Michael on Oct 1, 2015, 8:56 PM
                      6. Yes, their intention is to cause as many people as possible to join INC and not think they - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 3:19 AM
                      7. That sounds more of a recruitment than evangelism. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 7:18 AM
                      8. If it's recruitment with the good news, it is evangelism. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 12:17 PM
                      9. No, recruitment is never the intention of Christ. It's definitely not evangelism they do. - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 12:30 AM
                      10. They are bringing the good news, the gospel, whatever else they might say in addition. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:34 AM
                      11. That may well be good cheer. - Michael on Oct 14, 2015, 6:24 AM
                      12. It can lead many to eternal life. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 10:21 AM
                      13. Only if they believe in the truth, that is, Jesus Christ , and not in the lie they preach. - Michael on Oct 29, 2015, 9:58 AM
                      14. But they do believe in the truth, Jesus Christ, in spite of some errors on salvation. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 6:57 AM
                      15. Preaching a gospel other than that preached by the apostles is not at all a gospel. - Michael on Nov 13, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      16. So are you claiming that the Catholic church already around 100 AD was a false gospel? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 11:06 AM
                      17. Not every preaching that mentions Jesus Christ, necessarily is the true gospel. - Michael on Dec 21, 2015, 7:20 PM
                      18. I agree. But the Catholic church preached the true gospel in the 2nd century and now too. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 11:14 PM
                      19. It seems, we have a different understanding of what is the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 4:25 AM
                      20. Well, regardless, we both believe in the same gospel. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 1:06 AM
                      21. Not same gospel, Tomas. So, how do we? - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 12:23 PM
                      22. So even by your definition we believe in the same gospel. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2016, 5:42 PM
                      23. If that's what you think. - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 10:52 PM
                      24. Yes, that is what I think. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 8:03 AM
                      25. And so I said. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 5:00 AM
                      26. More about what is and is not the saving gospel. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 6:48 PM
                      27. Doctrine is different from gospel, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 11, 2016, 6:50 AM
                      28. Everything in the Bible is taught by the Bible, including historical facts. So they too - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 4:40 PM
                      29. Everything in the Bible is revelation from God, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 6:52 PM
                      30. Yes, and everything revealed in the Bible is taught by the Bible, so it is a teaching. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 10:17 AM
                      31. Well, so be it then for you Tomas. - Michael on Jan 31, 2016, 9:55 AM
                      32. Gospel and salvation requirements. - Tomas on Jan 31, 2016, 6:15 PM
                      33. A perverted gospel is a false gospel. - Michael on Feb 22, 2016, 2:26 PM
                      34. I don't call it perverted, just because they believe in another salvation requirement. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:01 PM
                      35. Well, call it or not, the fact remains, it perverts the gospel of salvation. - Michael on Mar 2, 2016, 12:49 PM
                      36. But belief in the gospel did not disappear in the church, in spite of wrong additions. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:03 PM
                      37. That's right. Thought that is not the issue. - Michael on Mar 20, 2016, 5:46 AM
                      38. That is exactly the issue, the gospel was preached, in spite of wrong additions. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 6:57 AM
                      39. Re: That is exactly the issue, the gospel was preached, in spite of wrong additions. - Michael on Mar 26, 2016, 3:15 PM
                      40. The gospel was believed in every century, even when all Christians had additions. - Tomas on Mar 26, 2016, 5:13 PM
                      41. That is not the issue, I reiterate. - Michael on Mar 27, 2016, 12:36 AM
                      42. The issue is exactly that in those centuries all Christians believed in additional - Tomas on Apr 2, 2016, 7:47 PM
                      43. The issue is about whether or not such perverts the gospel. - Michael on Apr 10, 2016, 8:45 AM
                      44. History proves that such beliefs did not pervert the gospel. - Tomas on Apr 16, 2016, 6:25 PM
                      45. The Bible proves that a false teaching perverts the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Apr 20, 2016, 1:03 PM
                      46. Well, nobody of people on earth today can be infallible, anybody has false teachings. - Tomas on Apr 23, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      47. That certainly is a common and popular excuse. - Michael on May 5, 2016, 1:34 PM
                      48. Wow, you have a huge idea of what is the gospel, namely the person, life and works of - Tomas on May 8, 2016, 12:25 AM
                      49. Not really huge as you think Tomas. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 3:50 AM
                      50. Then it seems to me contradictory, what you are saying. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 10:15 PM
                      51. Re: Then it seems to me contradictory, what you are saying. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 4:20 AM
                      52. Sorry, but I don't see that you have clarified the confusion. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 9:39 PM
                      53. Re: Sorry, but I don't see that you have clarified the confusion. - Michael on May 22, 2016, 7:13 AM
                      54. Sorry, but I am still confused by what you are saying. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 8:37 AM
                      55. Re: Sorry, but I am still confused by what you are saying. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 8:56 AM
                      56. Part of the confusion is that I am still not sure about what you believe the gospel is. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 10:23 PM
                      57. Re: Part of the confusion is that I am still not sure about what you believe the gospel is. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 11:47 AM
                      58. OK, let's discuss the gospel. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 7:44 PM
                      59. Re: OK, let's discuss the gospel. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 8:21 AM
                      60. More about the gospel. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 8:15 PM
                      61. Re: More about the gospel. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
                      62. And more about the gospel. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 9:21 PM
                      63. Re: And more about the gospel. - Michael on Sep 9, 2016, 10:14 AM
                      64. What the gospel is and what it is not. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 1:37 PM
                      65. Re: What the gospel is and what it is not. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 3:56 AM
                      66. About the gospel, and about what belongs to scriptures. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 9:26 PM
                      67. Re: About the gospel, and about what belongs to scriptures. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 9:31 AM
                      68. About repentance, about what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 7:55 PM
                      69. Re: About repentance, about what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 19, 2016, 3:54 AM
                      70. Losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 12:53 AM
                      71. Re: Losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
                      72. about losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 12:47 AM
                      73. Re: about losing salvation, what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 3:01 AM
                      74. About losing salvation, about what belongs in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      75. Re: About losing salvation, about what belongs in the Bible. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:44 AM
                      76. Losing salvation, book of Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 11:50 PM
                      77. Re: Losing salvation, book of Revelation. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:23 PM
                      78. About losing salvation, the book of Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 10:49 PM
                      79. Re: About losing salvation, the book of Revelation. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 7:47 AM
                      80. About accepting Jesus as Lord, and about Revelation. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 1:08 AM
                      81. Re: About accepting Jesus as Lord, and about Revelation. - Michael on Jan 1, 2017, 11:06 AM
                      82. About being freed from slavery to sin, about accepting the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 1, 2017, 10:26 PM
                      83. Re: About being freed from slavery to sin, about accepting the Bible. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 8:04 AM
                      84. Our continuing sinful nature. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 10:56 PM
                      85. Re: Our continuing sinful nature. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:16 AM
                      86. about slavery to sin. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:17 PM
                      87. Re: about slavery to sin. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:14 AM
                      88. Freeing from slavery to sin. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:43 PM
                      89. Re: Freeing from slavery to sin. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:18 AM
                      90. Who is our Savior? - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:58 PM
     
  10. FEAR and LOVE. To INCquisitor. Others are welcome. View Thread - Michael on Jul 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
    1. We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:43 PM
      1. Re: We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:25 AM
        1. Yes, we can lose salvation. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:27 PM
          1. Re: Yes, we can lose salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:36 AM
            1. One has to be careful not to jump to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:49 PM
              1. What jumping into conclusions are you talking about? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:43 AM
                1. You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
                  1. Re: You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:51 PM
                    1. There is no fear in love, but it has to be interpreted. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:19 PM
                      1. Finally, you believe in scriptures and accept that there is no fear in love. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
                      2. Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
                      3. Re: Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:10 AM
                      4. We are not perfect yet. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      5. That what you bleiev and say, contrary to what scriptures say. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      6. Can any human be without any fears? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      7. Re: Can any human be without any fears? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      8. Your focus does not seem to work. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:33 PM
                      9. Re: Your focus does not seem to work. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
                      10. What does it mean? - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:33 PM
                      11. Re: What does it mean? - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
                      12. Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      13. Re: Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 2:46 AM
                      14. Does anyone not fear? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      15. Re: Does anyone not fear? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 3:43 AM
                      16. Fear and perfect love. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 8:38 PM
                      17. Re: Fear and perfect love. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 8:25 AM
                      18. So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:35 PM
                      19. Re: So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:01 AM
                      20. So do you mean simply fear of God? - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 3:16 AM
                      21. Re: So do you mean simply fear of God? - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 3:41 AM
                      22. Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 1:44 AM
                      23. Re: Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:53 PM
                      24. Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:26 PM
                      25. Re: Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Michael on Dec 17, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      26. I see you still disagree. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
                      27. Re: I see you still disagree. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 2:48 AM
                      28. about fear. - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:47 PM
                      29. Re: about fear. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 8:28 AM
                      30. Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 9:34 PM
                      31. Re: Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      32. Good fear. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:09 PM
                      33. Re: Good fear. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:21 AM
                      34. Worldly fear. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:32 PM
                      35. Re: Worldly fear. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:20 AM
                      36. OK, you say Nothing more. So this has ended. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:49 PM
     
 
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