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  1. where can we read or prove that Jesus is not God?... View Thread - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 5:56 PM
    1. Here is one of the many proofs that Jesus is ... - Jerrymie on Aug 23, 8:10 PM
      1. well, they only like to hear and believe things that do not... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 8:53 PM
        1. Re: well, they only like to hear and believe things that do not... - converttoinc on Aug 25, 5:31 AM
          1. well, that's the INCM way, diverting!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 25, 6:47 AM
          2. If I can quote a verse ... - Jerrymie on Aug 25, 7:25 AM
            1. Re: If I can quote a verse ... - converttoinc on Aug 26, 8:13 AM
              1. I will post it, on one condition. - Jerrymie on Aug 26, 6:49 PM
      2. Re: Here is one of the many proofs that Jesus is ... - converttoinc on Aug 25, 5:33 AM
        1. Immaterial and irrelevant. - Jerrymie on Aug 25, 7:15 AM
          1. Re: Immaterial and irrelevant. - converttoinc on Aug 26, 8:11 AM
            1. It seems you do not know the basic elements of an argument or debate. - Jerrymie on Aug 26, 6:46 PM
              1. Re: It seems you do not know the basic elements of an argument or debate. - converttoinc on Aug 27, 2:43 AM
                1. Verse 9 doesn't substantiate what you have said. - Jerrymie on Aug 27, 4:17 AM
                  1. Re: Verse 9 doesn't substantiate what you have said. - converttoinc on Aug 27, 9:43 PM
                    1. Sorry, but we do not subscribe to your line of thinking. - Jerrymie on Aug 28, 8:48 AM
                      1. Re: Sorry, but we do not subscribe to your line of thinking. - converttoinc on Aug 29, 6:19 AM
                      2. sorry to disturb your argument, allow me to answer... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 6:51 AM
                      3. Sorry, Convertoinc. But you haven't disproven Phil 2:6 yet. - Anonymous on Aug 29, 9:44 AM
     
  2. Can anyone learn and know the truth by reading the Bible himself? ...NO WAY. View Thread - 1Newman on Aug 27, 6:09 AM
    1. That's why Jesus founded his church and gave her authority to teach. - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 27, 4:02 PM
      1. Who authorized the Catholic church... - Anonymous on Aug 27, 5:18 PM
    2. who said?, only in your mind?, READ!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 27, 7:05 PM
      1. no reply? afraid 1 newman???, hehe... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 8:01 AM
        1. Are you better than a biblical character? - 1 Newman on Aug 28, 5:56 PM
          1. here we go again, diverting tactics, stick first to 2 tim 3:7!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 6:47 PM
            1. Jesus and the Apostles preached about the importance of membership in the Church. - 1 New man on Aug 29, 5:46 AM
              1. that church is the body of Christ which means... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:31 AM
      2. And who can only preach the truth? - 1 New man on Aug 29, 5:40 AM
        1. the truth was already been preached and it's written even on paperback!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:42 AM
    3. Only brain washing mind controlling cults will tell you that, the Bible says otherwise - Jason on Aug 27, 9:48 PM
      1. Who art thou? Where is your authority to preach? Prove to us that you are not.... - 1Newman on Aug 28, 5:49 AM
      2. How about the authority of bro. FYM to preach? - 1Newman on Aug 28, 6:06 AM
     
  3. to all INCM, why do you believe the Lamsa translation of Acts 20:28?... View Thread - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 25, 11:45 PM
    1. Lamsa version is a favorite of the INC of Manalo. - Jerrymie on Aug 27, 4:27 AM
      1. like i said, they only like what they want to read and hear... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 27, 7:08 PM
        1. Just like Trinitarians. - Tom on Aug 29, 1:06 AM
          1. who said God is a trinity???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 1:52 AM
            1. Re: who said God is a trinity???... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 4:56 AM
              1. i already answered this, NONE!, but neither did Christ... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:38 AM
            2. Re: who said God is a trinity???... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 5:23 AM
              1. diversion, that's the only weapon you have, LOL!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:39 AM
     
  4. INCM will never learn coz they refuse the truth!... View Thread - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 8:04 AM
    1. There is no way to understand the Bible unless.. - 1 Newman on Aug 28, 5:53 PM
      1. here we go again, diverting tactics, stick first to 2 tim 3:7!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 6:48 PM
        1. The reason why I qouted those verses.. - 1 Newman on Aug 28, 7:57 PM
          1. well, that's why i challenge many of your brethren and even you... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 10:10 PM
            1. OK let us see what you have proven so far.. - 1 New man on Aug 29, 5:21 AM
              1. it's exposed, your church twist Isa 43:5 and many more!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:16 AM
          2. and please, instead of opening a new topic why cant you answer the first one... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 10:11 PM
            1. Re: and please, instead of opening a new topic why cant you answer the first one... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 5:29 AM
              1. why you keep repeating that?, am i that important in that forum, lol!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:07 AM
     
  5. The TRUTH View Thread - yeng on Aug 7, 2:04 PM
    1. Rev. 1:8 is about God. - Tom on Aug 8, 12:07 AM
      1. The verse refers to Jesus Christ - cyrus2008 on Aug 9, 6:00 PM
      2. Here, I will give you the verses I referred to: - cyrus2008 on Aug 12, 5:55 PM
        1. So both give the water of life. - Tom on Aug 13, 12:02 PM
          1. Itwas the Lord Jesus who promised to give. - cyrus2008 on Aug 15, 5:54 PM
            1. Why can't two give the same thing? - Tom on Aug 20, 12:38 PM
              1. Why do you disagree with the Lord Jesus? - cyrus2008 on Aug 23, 6:36 AM
                1. I agree with the Lord Jesus, they are one. - Tom on Aug 27, 12:23 PM
                  1. Your answer is not the only correct answer. - cyrus2008 on Aug 27, 7:38 PM
                    1. I'm not taking my idea from Pasugo, but the Bible. - Tom on Aug 29, 12:11 AM
                  2. Sorry, when I mentioned No1, I mean No. 2 - cyrus2008 on Aug 27, 7:39 PM
      3. tell me tom, how can a NOT GOD... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 20, 6:22 PM
        1. Rev. 1 is not all about Jesus. - Tom on Aug 22, 6:05 AM
          1. pls dont change my words, i'm not... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 22, 7:27 PM
            1. I was not changing your words, just pointing out, - Tom on Aug 27, 12:58 PM
              1. the problem is, i did not say that... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 7:39 PM
                1. But I know you did not say that. What I meant is, - Tom on Aug 29, 12:39 AM
                  1. so you agree that... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 2:28 AM
                2. Re: the problem is, i did not say that... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 6:03 AM
                  1. LOL!!!, of course God can chose before the creation of the world... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 7:02 AM
     
  6. Who waited for Felix Manalo in 1914? View Thread - kulafu on Aug 18, 6:57 PM
    1. maybe those who will be deceived by his lies!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 19, 4:06 AM
      1. Re: maybe those who will be deceived by his lies!... - converttoinc on Aug 20, 5:36 AM
        1. i visited there 3 times, but everytime i visit 261121... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 20, 6:12 AM
          1. Re: i visited there 3 times, but everytime i visit 261121... - AL-KABIR08 on Aug 28, 7:23 AM
      2. I suppose all Christians lie sometimes. - Tom on Aug 20, 11:13 AM
        1. yes all christians lie, but what will happen if a preacher lie or... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 20, 6:28 PM
          1. All preachers have biblically incorrect teachings. - Tom on Aug 22, 5:54 AM
            1. did not know everything is different than teaching lies tom... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 22, 7:38 PM
              1. All preachers teach lies, because they don't understand - Tom on Aug 27, 1:06 PM
                1. tom pls answer the question... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 7:17 PM
                  1. That is not an intentional lie. - Tom on Aug 29, 12:44 AM
                    1. is plural and singular the same???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 1:55 AM
                      1. Re: is plural and singular the same???... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 6:08 AM
                      2. already answered this why cant you read???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 6:55 AM
          2. Do you lie? - AL-KABIR08 on Aug 28, 6:54 AM
            1. Do you lie, Michael? - AL-KABIR08 on Aug 28, 7:05 AM
     
  7. sorry but i will never reply to log in...AL-KABIR08... View Thread - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 28, 6:49 PM
    1. Re: sorry but i will never reply to log in...AL-KABIR08... - converttoinc on Aug 29, 6:11 AM
      1. oh i will reply to edvie 100%, since he is not like AL whos... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 6:53 AM
     
  8. RS, what proof do you have that made you believe Felix Manalo was messenger of God? View Thread - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 27, 1:37 AM
    1. Korea is a peninsula not Islands as mentioned in the prophecies.. - Newman on Aug 27, 4:54 AM
      1. The islands lie to the west of Israel, so it cannot refer to the Philippines - Saleem Sinai on Aug 28, 10:30 PM
        1. Re: The islands lie to the west of Israel, so it cannot refer to the Philippines - converttoinc on Aug 29, 6:13 AM
     
  9. Question to all Trinitarians.... View Thread - 1 Newman on Jun 30, 5:53 AM
    1. They are one eternal so no one was first. - csdr on Aug 20, 1:15 AM
      1. Re: They are one eternal so no one was first. - converttoinc on Aug 20, 4:40 AM
      2. half spirit and half flesh? - 1 newman on Aug 21, 6:14 AM
    2. They all existed as one God for all eternity past - Jason on Aug 20, 9:51 PM
      1. Where? in your mind? - Jim on Aug 20, 10:47 PM
        1. where can you read Felix Manalo and the Philippines in the Bible???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 21, 12:29 AM
          1. Whre can you read.. - 1 newman on Aug 21, 6:15 AM
            1. Jesus and the apostles... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 21, 3:32 PM
              1. So what that Jesus is not named in the Old Testament? - Tom on Aug 22, 5:37 AM
                1. it's very logical, and it's not contradicting any verse... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 22, 7:42 PM
                  1. Re: it's very logical, and it's not contradicting any verse... - converttoinc on Aug 23, 7:19 AM
                    1. the verse you stated did not read nor prove that "Jesus is not God"... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 5:40 PM
                      1. Re: the verse you stated did not read nor prove that "Jesus is not God"... - converttoinc on Aug 25, 5:04 AM
                      2. this is not a topic of "far east"... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 25, 6:55 AM
                    2. Converttoinc's logic is this way. - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 24, 8:43 AM
                      1. Re: Converttoinc's logic is this way. - converttoinc on Aug 25, 5:14 AM
                      2. Sorry Converttoinc. You have wrong again. Where did you learn this? - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 26, 6:22 AM
                      3. Re: Sorry Converttoinc. You have wrong again. Where did you learn this? - converttoinc on Aug 26, 7:39 AM
                  2. Michael, God is able to have non-God offspring. - Tom on Aug 29, 12:50 AM
                    1. who said???, please state a verse... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 29, 1:54 AM
        2. You cant - Jason on Aug 27, 9:50 PM
          1. I can't ? So, therefore Jason can read it only? where? - Jim on Aug 28, 5:33 AM
     
  10. 2nd Isaiah's prophesies written during the reign of King Cyrus about bro. FYM and the INC. View Thread - 1 newman on May 24, 2:30 PM
    1. There is only one Isaiah - Theo Book on May 24, 3:15 PM
      1. More than one person wrote the book of Isaiah.. - 1 Newman on May 27, 5:38 AM
        1. You need to learn the meaning of "prophecy" - Theo Book on May 27, 4:05 PM
          1. I agree 100%, prophecy is about future events.. - 1 Newman on May 27, 5:49 PM
            1. Isaiah lived two hundred years before Cyrus. It is a prophecy - Theo Book on May 27, 6:40 PM
              1. It is always the work and not the name.. - 1 Newman on May 27, 7:13 PM
                1. You are telling God how he should have doen it. - Theo Book on May 28, 3:49 AM
                  1. God with the last.. - ! Newman on May 28, 5:39 AM
                    1. You are halucinating if you see "Islands" in Isa 46:11 - Theo Book on May 28, 6:05 AM
                      1. It depends on how you apply it. - Jim on May 28, 6:14 AM
                      2. If you go East far enough you come to Israel from the West - Theo Book on May 28, 6:25 AM
                      3. Wrong way----Wrong direction. - 1 Newman on May 29, 5:39 AM
                      4. And if you keep going East, you will approach Jerusalem from the West. - Theo Book on May 29, 10:40 AM
                      5. Stop at the place being prophesied and do not go in full circle.. - 1 Newman on May 29, 5:55 PM
                      6. Israel is not an Islands and Persia or Iran is not in the FAREAST.. - 1 Newman on May 31, 5:54 AM
                      7. but it's a far country from Israel... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 8:51 PM
                      8. Are you smarter than these Bible scholars and researchers? - 1 Newman on Aug 24, 5:09 PM
                      9. no, but i know the truth more than your felix manalo... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 24, 6:17 PM
    2. Proof for Isaiah's authorship; and why it was questioned in the first place. - Theo Book on May 24, 4:08 PM
    3. More from Dennis Bratcher - 1 newman on May 24, 4:28 PM
      1. Old mother Hubbard went to the cupboard... - Theo Book on May 25, 4:25 AM
        1. The big diffeence is the (3) authors of old mother hubbard contradicted each other.. - 1 Newman on Jun 1, 9:24 AM
    4. Prophet Isaiah did not write the whole BOOK OF ISAIAH.. - 1 newman on May 24, 5:13 PM
      1. That just goes to show that you do not know what is in the mind of God who inspired it. - Theo Book on May 25, 4:30 AM
        1. God's last work of salvation can be clearly seen... - 1 newman on May 25, 7:54 AM
        2. I believe 100% the book of Isaiah... - 1 newman on May 25, 9:38 AM
          1. That means FYM is the Christ? - Another Insider on May 26, 6:04 AM
            1. Bro. FYM never claimed to be the Christ.. - 1 Newman on May 26, 6:32 AM
              1. Have you heard about Biblical hermeneutics? - Another Insider on May 27, 4:30 PM
                1. Here is how the holy ghost teacheth.. - 1 Newman on May 30, 5:41 AM
                  1. 1 Conrinthians 2:13, I heard that a zillion times from INC sermons. - Anonymous on Jun 2, 1:14 AM
                    1. Even if you read it 10 Zillion times, still you will not undersand... - 1 Newman on Jun 13, 5:26 AM
            2. Remember the "FORMER THINGS" also includes the FIRST CENTURY CHURCH... - 1 Newman on May 26, 6:56 AM
              1. NEWMAN, what's the point? I can use the same verses _against_ you? - Another Insider on May 27, 4:33 PM
                1. You need witnesses? - 1 Newman on May 31, 5:48 AM
                  1. Who said that, and what is the AUTHORITY? - Another Insider on Jun 2, 1:24 AM
                    1. If not bro. FYM and the INC, who then is the fulfillment of the new things.. - 1 Newman on Jun 5, 9:55 PM
                      1. Waiting for AI's response - 1 Newman on Jun 9, 3:26 PM
                      2. Self-deception Newman is your worst enemy - Another Insider on Jun 9, 4:39 PM
                      3. Isaiah is very clear in his prophecy.... - 1 Newman on Jun 9, 5:27 PM
                      4. WHAT? Again SELF-DECEPTION Newman - Another Insider on Jun 10, 5:23 PM
                      5. Correction: 2nd Isaiah was written in the 6th Century not 8th century... - 1 Newman on Jun 11, 5:50 AM
                      6. Proof??? 6th Century & 8th century correction doesn't prove anything from your side. - Another Insider on Jun 11, 10:10 PM
                      7. So who is the fulfillment of the the NEW THING... - 1 Newman on Jun 12, 6:09 AM
                      8. Still no answer here? - 1 Newman on Jun 22, 7:27 PM
                    2. No answer? - 1 Newman on Jun 8, 9:42 AM
                    3. Still no answer? - 1 Newman on Jun 18, 6:03 AM
    5. Far East Theory of Felix Manalo - Far East Mafia on Jun 23, 2:11 AM
      1. Your explanation doesn't makes sense my friend.. - 1 Newman on Jun 23, 5:20 AM
    6. No mre comments from INC detractors? - 1 Newman on Jul 1, 6:06 AM
    7. Just checking all the INC detractor's thoughts... - 1 Newman on Jul 21, 4:52 AM
    8. comments? - 1 newman on Aug 21, 6:17 AM
      1. Re: comments? - converttoinc on Aug 23, 5:11 AM
    9. Multiple writers of the Book of Isaiah. - 1 Newman on Aug 23, 6:20 PM
    10. why dont you get the meaning of MIZRACH instead of it's "USES"???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 7:50 PM
      1. oh, BTW about Isa 42:4 reffers to the prophesied Christ!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 23, 8:15 PM
        1. Forget the former things, the 1st century Church that apostatized and became Catholics.. - 1 Newman on Aug 24, 9:14 AM
          1. it's only in FYM's mind that the church which was built by Christ... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 24, 6:20 PM
            1. Not only bro. FYM and the INC but also many other religion... - 1 Newman on Aug 24, 9:22 PM
              1. so who copied whom?... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 24, 9:52 PM
                1. The RCC is the only church whose lineage could be traced back all the way.. - 1 Newman on Aug 24, 9:58 PM
                  1. the church (body of Christ) is the pillar of truth... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 24, 11:40 PM
                    1. so you believed in a body of Christ.... - 1 Newman on Aug 25, 4:58 AM
                      1. who said no unified doctrine???... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 25, 7:03 AM
                    2. Re: the church (body of Christ) is the pillar of truth... - converttoinc on Aug 25, 5:03 AM
                      1. i defend the truth of Christ not manalo's lies!... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 25, 7:05 AM
                      2. Re: i defend the truth of Christ not manalo's lies!... - converttoinc on Aug 26, 8:18 AM
                      3. ADD and RCC?, i have nothing to choose... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 26, 7:42 PM
                      4. Re: ADD and RCC?, i have nothing to choose... - converttoinc on Aug 27, 2:30 AM
                      5. i dont have a doctrine, my religion is the gospel preached by Christ and the apostles... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 27, 3:28 AM
                      6. Can you learn the gospel just by yourself?......NO WAY - Newman on Aug 27, 5:57 AM
                      7. LOL!, it's only in your mind... - Michael (former INCM) on Aug 27, 7:06 PM
                      8. FOR MICHELLE!( d far east) - AL-KABIR08 on Aug 28, 9:36 AM
     
 
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