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  1. Understanding John 3:5 - "born of water and the Spirit." View Thread - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 4:43 AM
    1. up for those who desire to know the truth. - INCquisitor on Mar 3, 2015, 4:09 AM
    2. That is an erroneous understanding of what it means to be born again. - Michael on Mar 5, 2015, 7:41 PM
      1. You haven't told us your understaning of HOW one is born again. - INCquisitor on Mar 6, 2015, 5:29 AM
      2. I'm not sure I understand what a "born again" Christian is. Can you in just 3 or 4 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 6, 2015, 7:53 AM
     
  2. HOW JESUS SAVES View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 7:55 AM
    1. You still have your INC brainwashed mind. None of the Greek scripts are saying Church of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
      1. What you are saying is out of topic. - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:41 PM
        1. And His church is, according to the Apostles, the Church of God. Just another evidence - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:53 PM
          1. What the apostles say CANNOT prevail over what Jesus said. - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:00 AM
            1. So God inspired the Apostles to say something wrong? Show me a Greek script that says - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 7:59 AM
            2. So God made the Apostles telling lies. Wow, INCquisitor, good luck on Judgment Day! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 2015, 8:08 PM
            3. INCquisitor has no response, but accuses Christians to b pigs. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:34 PM
            4. where is your proof weird, confused, crazy multi-celled organism? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:07 AM
    2. Who Jesus is, and who the church is. - Michael on Feb 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
    3. HOW GOD SAVES. - Michael on Mar 3, 2015, 7:34 PM
      1. And those who deny the Son to have the nature of His Father do not believe in the Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:36 PM
      2. If the son is God, why don't you believe what he said in John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2015, 4:29 AM
        1. Hahahaha! How about you weird guy? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:37 AM
        2. You don't know how God saves INCquisitor? - Michael on Mar 5, 2015, 6:42 AM
        3. Every true Christian believes that. As every true Christian does NOT deny the Son the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 5, 2015, 5:02 PM
     
  3. Who is your Savior? What is His name? View Thread - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:36 AM
    1. Where is everybody now? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 3:19 PM
    2. One should realize and accept that man is helpless. That he can't save himself. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:27 PM
    3. If man is helpless and can't save himself, moreso he can't save others. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:29 PM
    4. Who then is able to save sinful man? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:30 PM
    5. Has everybody now been muted by the question at the OP? - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:33 PM
      1. Apparently. - Michael on Nov 23, 2014, 11:32 PM
    6. INCer, who is your Savior? What is His name? - Michael on Nov 25, 2014, 9:55 PM
      1. Do you need anyone else other than him for you to be saved? - Michael on Nov 25, 2014, 9:55 PM
    7. NO INCer or Ex-INCer here could ever confess who their Savior is and what is his name. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
    8. Michael, one of my Saviors is Christ, his name is Jesus. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:12 PM
      1. Tomas, I know only of one Savior, Christ the Lord. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:46 AM
        1. In the Old Testament, Yahweh, the Father, is another Savior. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:41 PM
          1. In the OT, God is the Savior. That did not change, even in the NT. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:26 AM
            1. In the OT, God Yahweh the Father is the Savior. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:12 AM
              1. God is the Savior, in the OT and in the NT. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 10:02 AM
                1. Two Saviors. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:48 AM
                  1. Two Saviors? I know only of one - God. - Michael on Mar 4, 2015, 8:18 AM
    9. I am the "body" of Christ. And Christ is my SAVIOR. - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 6:19 PM
      1. Thanks for responding INCquisitor. Is not God your Savior? - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:49 AM
        1. Perhaps not, for man is your savior, the man Jesus. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:17 AM
        2. I am a Christian so I go by what Jesus and his apostles teach. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:41 PM
          1. Not the issue. So, God is not INCquisitor's savior. And you are saved by man. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:49 AM
            1. You are saying that Jesus is not your savior, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 3:32 PM
              1. INCquisitor, you can say that if you can't understand my language. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 3:46 PM
                1. I thought you were referring to a God other than Jesus Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 5:06 PM
                  1. Your Savior is man. My Savior is God. Though, we know him both by the name Jesus. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:20 PM
                    1. Your savior is NOT God but you were falsely taught he is God.. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 7:45 PM
                      1. Should I say it again? My savior is God and your savior is man and is not God. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      2. You are fooling yourself. Our savior is the same Jesus Christ who says he is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      3. Why should I fool myself INCquisitor? The point here is my Savior is God and yours is man. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 6:50 PM
                      4. The true God who said, "you shall know no God but Me...., - INCquisitor on Jan 24, 2015, 9:26 AM
                      5. I speak of God as the true God, the Savior. The God of Abraham and Moses. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 11:52 PM
                      6. Jesus Christ is not the God of Abraham and Israel. - IN Cquisitor on Jan 25, 2015, 7:51 PM
                      7. The God of Abraham and Israel is the Savior, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jan 26, 2015, 6:49 AM
                      8. There is no scripture that says "the God of Abraham and Israel is the savior...... - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 2015, 12:22 PM
                      9. Like you, the Jews didn't see even while the very image of God is in front of them. - Michael on Jan 26, 2015, 10:36 PM
                      10. The Jews were not Trinitarians, that's why. - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      11. Jesus said He is a man. Incquisitor says His savior Jesus is not a man. - Michael on Jan 28, 2015, 9:39 AM
                      12. Have I claimed that Jesus is God? Have I not said that Jesus is a man? - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2015, 6:15 PM
                      13. LOL..still on your bread and butter error verses John 17:3 and John 8:40? Why are you not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 7:33 PM
      2. lol! - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:16 AM
    10. Man cannot save himself. If he could, Adam would have done it. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 22, 2015, 7:40 PM
      1. Dean, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice regardless if he is God or not. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:15 AM
      2. Dean, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice regardless if he is God or not. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:16 AM
     
  4. "Form of God". Can you tell? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 3:58 AM
    1. Up for those who can tell. Those who can't need not answer the questions herein. - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:04 AM
      1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in a form of God. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:54 AM
        1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in the form of God. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 7:31 PM
          1. a form - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:17 AM
            1. Form of God. Scriptures speaks not of "Forms". - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 4:15 AM
              1. A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:38 PM
                1. Re: A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 10:24 AM
                  1. michael's faith is based on "imply" - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:02 AM
                    1. really? where can I read that he said that? I want to see it, show me? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 6:38 AM
                  2. Michael, my answers about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
                    1. Tomas, my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 4:39 PM
                      1. Michael, my comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      2. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 24, 2014, 9:54 PM
                      3. Michael, more comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:46 PM
                      4. Re: Michael, more comments. - Michael on Jan 9, 2015, 8:49 PM
                      5. My answer to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      6. The truth will set you free Tomas. Do you know who set you free? - Michael on Feb 2, 2015, 5:44 PM
                      7. Jesus set me free by dying for me and giving me the gospel truth thru the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:14 AM
                      8. Before you guys, but especially Tomas, are getting more and more confused about Koin Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:00 PM
                      9. The author is right of course that in John 1:1 - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:04 PM
                      10. You're wrong again, and again, and again, and again..... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 10:28 AM
                      11. I don't want you to miss that... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:04 PM
        2. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. The truth is: 1. The Greek language - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
          1. True, English can sometimes also have a noun with no article. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:18 PM
            1. You're missing the point. YOU: no definite article in Greek needs to be translated with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 2:44 PM
              1. In John 1:1 the definite translation, the God, is grammatically plausible, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:28 PM
                1. You not correct twofold: Greek grammar also relies on context. If the context does not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:47 PM
                  1. Of course the context can be important. But there is nothing in the context - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:28 PM
                    1. Having one God plus a god, making it two, is not out of context? A monotheistic religion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:59 PM
                      1. Nothing in that context calls for not having gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:10 PM
                      2. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:48 PM
                      3. No, he did not call them false gods, but gods. q - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:47 PM
                      4. Those "gods" in Psalm 82:6 were already humans, born to two human parents and appointed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 6:21 PM
                      5. So what? Sure they died, and so did Jesus. He rose again, so will they. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:48 PM
                      6. LOL, they rose after three days and are sitting at the right hand of God? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:38 PM
                      7. Of course not, in those things that god was special. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:43 AM
                      8. Oh? Now he is not the same god like all the others as you were claiming all the time? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:20 PM
                      9. He is the same in having the word of God. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:27 AM
                      10. Your father is greater than you too. At least, I hope so. You obeyed him. But you're both - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:46 AM
                      11. Like Father like Son? - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:39 AM
                      12. I see you disagree with your mule analogy. You're an anti-trinitarian of the worst kind. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      13. Why would monogenes disprove the mule analogy? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:20 AM
                      14. I found another verse that clearly tells us the Son is God. John 1:18 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 2015, 9:30 AM
                      15. One problem with this verse is that different Greek manuscripts - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:27 AM
                      16. Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses have to continue with their lie that "Theos" means "a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 5:07 PM
                      17. Sometimes theos does mean a god. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:10 PM
                      18. I told you in another thread you need brain surgery if you don't understand that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:46 AM
                      19. I am not accusing you of needing brain surgery just because - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      20. I told you in another thread you didn't realize my sarcasm talking about brain surgery. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:09 PM
                      21. Well, I would not use such impolite sarcasm with you. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:16 PM
    2. what is your point... - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 10:03 PM
      1. TF, if you don't know, that is understandable. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:29 PM
        1. open your cards.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:20 PM
    3. God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - tf on Nov 16, 2014, 5:14 PM
      1. Re: God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - Karlos on Nov 16, 2014, 10:18 PM
        1. why don't you try to measure it yourself - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 1:56 AM
          1. so you cannot answer my question? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 4:53 AM
            1. so tf, why so afraid to comment on 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Nov 21, 2014, 5:53 AM
              1. Not afraid Karlos. TF just can't see such a bright light as 1 Peter 1:11. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:43 PM
                1. I'm afraid that is the case! But I'm still optimistic that one day they will see the light - Karlos on Nov 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
                  1. Well, seeing is one thing. But believing is another. - Michael on Nov 24, 2014, 4:30 AM
      2. That's right TF. God is spirit and to be visible can put on the physical. - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:12 PM
        1. that is wrong even when Jesus is on earth he declared that God is spirit unlike him - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:19 AM
          1. What is wrong TF in my post TF? Point it out. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:32 AM
          2. Jesus is not also spirit? Ah yeah, the INC Bible doesn't have "and the Word became flesh." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 26, 2014, 8:12 AM
            1. Seems INC even don't know what a man is. They speak of things they don't really know of. - Michael on Nov 26, 2014, 2:16 PM
            2. Guenter, the Bibles INC have do say "and the Word became flesh - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
              1. Gosh, Tomas, I know all that crap. Therefore, they don't have it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 11:39 AM
                1. They have it, they just interpret it differently from Christians who believe in - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:12 PM
                  1. Not a gospel doctrine? Only in your sick mind. Anti-trinitarians like you and INC are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:31 PM
                    1. Why do you like to insult so much, like sick mind, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:50 PM
                      1. Not only I but also Michael and others gave you plenty of verses in many years past. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:05 PM
                      2. So I have been discussing the verses, but you are all stubborn, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      3. Why would I say "The Word was God: is wrong when it is not? YOU are the amateur Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      4. Grammatically, either translation would be correct. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:29 PM
                      5. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. Besides, Jesus is called God in other verses - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:36 PM
                      6. Like what other verse? I haven't seen one whose meaning - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:11 PM
                      7. I'm sorry, that's way too much to justify all your grave errors. I will not read it and I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:35 PM
                      8. No, sorry, what I said is if you found such a verse, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:43 PM
                      9. Sorry to hear that you're still rejecting the many true verses in the Bible I gave you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:41 PM
                      10. Sorry to disappoint you, I would like to make you happy, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:37 PM
                      11. It's not interpretation, it's TRANSLATION you are dead wrong on. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      12. Well, sorry, you Greek expert. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      13. I don't rely on my expertise as you so proudly do. You must have missed what I told you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:27 PM
                      14. Well, he was convinced the NT teaches trinity, because - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
                      15. Fine, Tomas, EVERY Greek language scholar who disagrees with your amateurish expertise - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:13 AM
                      16. Are you saying some scholars have no flaw? They are perfect? - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:52 PM
                      17. Not some, EVERY distinguished Greek language scholar you disagree with has a flaw. They - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:33 PM
                      18. All people have flaws, except Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:55 AM
                      19. You'll be saved by the grace of God. Not by the grace of Tomas. So be careful in your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      20. I am saved by the grace of God, not by the grace of myself, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      21. You sure determined that my friend has no salvation. So by the (dis)grace of Tomas he has - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:41 AM
                      22. By the way, if you don't even know the true meaning of "has no salvation" how dare you to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:16 PM
                      23. In 'has no salvation' the verb 'has' is in the present tense, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:59 AM
                      24. If you understand it this way, fine. Although German is not as strict as English when it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
     
  5. BECOMING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS IN CHRIST View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 8:59 AM
    1. So you agree that babies need to be baptized? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 9:45 AM
      1. Where did I say babies need to be baptized? - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:53 PM
        1. I'm sorry I misunderstood you when you said: Therefore, Christ CANNOT die for the sins of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:50 PM
          1. As I said, babies do not commit sin. Therefore, Christ need not die - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:04 AM
            1. But didn't Jesus also say: “I tell you the truth, NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 8:21 AM
              1. Babies are not saved no matter how many times they are baptized - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:25 PM
                1. I will not waste much time commenting on that baloney. Your baloney contradicts Jesus who - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:02 AM
                  1. I know, Lutherans believe water baptism is necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:26 AM
                    1. Jesus didn't speak of water baptism in John 3:5, so nobody but you is speaking of just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:33 AM
                      1. I did speak of the Spirit baptism, that one saves us. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:03 PM
              2. Peter said, "let everyone be baptized for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38). - INCquisitor on Feb 22, 2015, 6:47 PM
                1. Now you're saying what Peter said overrides what Jesus said. Hhhhmm. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 10:41 AM
                  1. Children is not limited to babies.Adults are children too. - INCquisitor on Feb 26, 2015, 4:25 AM
                    1. You're totally losing it, INCquisitor. Let's summarize one more time. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 9:04 AM
                  2. Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - INCquisitor on Feb 27, 2015, 7:05 PM
                    1. Babies are sinful, but their baptism is futile, they still don't have faith. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:43 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:49 AM
                    2. Re:Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 12:33 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlwessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:44 AM
                      2. Let's agree that we disagree. You're sayin when Jesus said NO ONE he didn't mean to say - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 9:18 AM
    2. Point of clarification INCquisitor, before anything else. - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:27 AM
      1. Do these simple questions shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:06 AM
     
  6. Baptism into the TRUE body or church of Christ: Prerequisite for salvation. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 2015, 3:22 PM
    1. Thank you for not responding to many open threads. That means you agree with those you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2015, 8:54 PM
    2. First, tell us INCquisitor, what is Baptism? - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:20 AM
      1. Do this simple and basic question shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:05 AM
    3. INCquisitor, only the Holy Spirit baptism is necessary for salvation, not water - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:41 AM
      1. The thief on the cross did not repent. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:42 AM
        1. Mark did write both thieves reviled Jesus, but then Luke added - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 11:00 AM
          1. Luke did not make any observation. He merely wrote what he heard. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:31 PM
            1. Two blind and deaf people are disagreeing on what the Apostles and what Jesus said. Very - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:03 PM
     
  7. According to John 10:18, Jesus has the POWER to take his life back again. View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
    1. Jesus had that power even if he was totally dead, body, soul and spirit. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:10 PM
      1. That's what can be understood in John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 1:24 AM
        1. I did not mean to suggest Elisha's bones had that power without God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 1:06 AM
          1. But you did mean that the bones resurrected the dead man. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
            1. To you it sounds like foolishness, but don't underestimate the abilities of God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:18 PM
              1. And who underestimate God? Not me. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 6:48 PM
                1. Don't misunderstand me, don't twist my words. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                  1. Did I twist your words Tomas? Not so. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 6:44 AM
                    1. OK, so you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'so'. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      1. Is that so Tomas? - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 3:51 PM
                      2. OK, let's drop the 'so' and discuss more interesting stuff. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:07 PM
                      3. Tomas: my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 1:46 AM
                      4. My answers to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:55 AM
                      5. Tomas: my comments. - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      6. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:21 PM
                      7. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 12:01 PM
                      8. Michael, more comments to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
                      9. Tomas, more of the truth for you. - Michael on Jan 5, 2015, 11:18 PM
                      10. So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      11. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 12:54 AM
                      12. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 1:06 AM
                      13. So let's discuss some more. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      14. Ok Tomas, let's discuss some more. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 7:32 AM
                      15. Yes, let's discuss more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:05 AM
                      16. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Feb 26, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      17. OK, Michael, more discussion. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:26 AM
      2. Tomas, now you also don't understand Rev. 3:14. That adds to your ignorance regarding - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:46 PM
        1. So give me your interpretation of Rev. 3:14, so we can - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Many have tried to explain the verse to you already. Why would I think you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:50 PM
            1. OK, you think neither of us can persuade the other. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:06 PM
                1. Well, tell Jesus he is an idiot for believing some are gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:28 PM
                  1. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
                    1. Of course those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
                      1. You're admitting again to be an anti-trinitarian. May God help you. I'm through with you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      2. I am not anti-trinitarian. Trinity is a possibility. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:22 PM
                      3. The Word was "a god" is anti-trinitarian. And you insist, that this is THE correct - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:17 PM
                      4. It is not antitrinitarian. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
                      5. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      6. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      7. He was created, but he could have been created God, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      8. God was not created. So you're anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      9. God initially was not created, but always existed, but he could have created - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:52 AM
                      10. If you believe Jesus was created you are anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      11. I know, you keep repeating that. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      12. Trinity in itself is inflexible. One God, uncreated, three persons OF God, who is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      13. Your mind is inflexible on this. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:17 PM
                      14. You're not saying it's a possibility. And the Word was a god takes away all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      15. OK, it seems ludicrous to you, based on your logic. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      16. Jesus was created? Ludicrous again! God never spoke to you through the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:31 PM
                      17. Sorry that you find it ludicrous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      18. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. I have not added one syllable to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:48 PM
                      19. You added to the Bible the alleged salvation requirement - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
                      20. We need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. In your anti-trinitarian faith, you do not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      21. Of course we need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:51 AM
                      22. The Bible only doesn't tell YOU, mostly because you insist on incorrect translations. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:13 PM
                      23. So you think the translations you insist on are always correct? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:12 PM
                      24. So far, they are correct. Because I do better research than you do, and I have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:54 PM
    2. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit does die. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:31 PM
    3. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit DOESN'T DIE. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
      1. You say if God died, the whole world will collapse into oblivion. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:44 PM
        1. As usual, friend Tomas doesn't understand the world, the Bible and the teachings of all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:52 PM
          1. Well, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph 469: - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:44 PM
            1. If stupidity would hurt, you'd cry all day. The Catechism says Christ died, his human - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:08 PM
              1. The rest of paragraph 469 does not deny the fact, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:24 PM
                1. You seem to still misunderstand or didn't read the word immortal How can an immortal - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:26 PM
                  1. So the paragraph 469 is contradictory. But then it is not in - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:56 AM
                    1. Only contradictory in your mind! You were lying when you said Catholics believe - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:22 AM
                      1. It sure looks like they believe God died based on the wording - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      2. Only poorly worded for the language impaired or wickedly minded. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      3. Oh, don't be so arrogant. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:22 PM
                      4. I am superior to you. I'm not an anti-trinitarian. I also trust people when they teach - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:38 PM
                      5. What? I don't call them liars or doubt their sincerity. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:43 PM
                      6. Yes, you pulled out Catechism 469 to tell me the RCC is teaching God died on the cross. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:53 PM
                      7. I did not call them liars, just that maybe they misunderstood - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      8. They misunderstood???? The truth is, you did, and do not refrain from telling the world - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:18 PM
                      9. Well, OK, if that paragraph is harder to understand than it seems to me, - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:31 AM
                      10. You were willfully lying after I presented you with the statement of an representative of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:42 PM
                      11. What are Catholics supposed to rely on more, the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:43 PM
                      12. It's not only Mr. Serpa, it's the entire Catholic Church. Citing heretics here does hurt - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      13. Do you think every Catholic believes what Mr. Serpa believes? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:56 AM
                      14. It's the official doctrine of the RCC. If some Catholics do not believe that, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:18 PM
                      15. If it is the official doctrine, then why would the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:14 PM
                      16. Sorry to break my word and not answer your stupid remarks anymore. But this one is more - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 2:43 PM
                      17. But it says also "O Christ our God, you who by your death - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:34 AM
                      18. I know I shouldn't have answered you. You're twisting even your own words. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:21 PM
    4. That's right INCquisitor. All you need is to believe in it. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. show me the verse that says Jesus EXERCISED such power. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 AM
        1. Still asking? Well then, you'll never see it. So, ok trash John 10:18 as you have. - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
      2. Jesus referred to the Father as the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. And INCquisitor says "I trash the words of Jesus in John 10:18". - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:48 AM
        2. The Father is the Only True God as opposed to many idols - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 10, 2014, 7:32 PM
          1. idols or not he is the only true God the Father - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:14 AM
            1. John 17:3 is INC's bread and butter error verse. It does NOT say "only you, Father, are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 4:59 PM
            2. tf, the lying INC administration has been exposed by their own "holy" magazine, by Pasugo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 8, 2015, 6:00 PM
            3. tf cannot refute...no surprise here... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 12, 2015, 2:59 PM
     
  8. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
     
  9. The antiChrist. View Thread - Michael on Nov 27, 2014, 3:14 AM
    1. John explains it in the next verse, 2:23. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:06 AM
      1. 1 John 2: 23 is not an explanation of verse 22 Tomas. Take hold of your ncomprehension Tom - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 12:20 PM
        1. It sure is. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:09 PM
          1. If you insist, then I'm not surprised that you understand scriptures differently. - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
            1. You surprise me. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:39 PM
              1. Don't be Tomas. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 5:39 AM
                1. It is not an issue of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:14 PM
                  1. To you it's not Tomas. But to John it is. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:57 AM
                    1. But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 4:35 AM
                      1. Re: But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:37 AM
                      2. I don't agree with your definition of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:28 AM
                      3. No problem Tomas. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 7:48 AM
                      4. OK. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:32 AM
                      5. Re: OK. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      6. More about denying God, and about the term Father. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 8:02 AM
                      7. Re: Christ can still be called the Only Begotten Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:13 PM
                      8. I think Michael is right that Christ was begotten in the beginning, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:44 PM
                      9. I'm sorry to say Michael is wrong, so are you. Psalm 2:7 is a promise, not an act. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:34 AM
                      10. But it is in past tense. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20 AM
                      11. "I will proclaim..." is past tense?? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      12. Just the proclamation is future. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:21 PM
                      13. But I didn't say that Christ was begotten in the beginning. - Michael on Feb 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
                      14. Oh, Tom,as was again lying??? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
                      15. I was going by my memory. I will see how Michael will answer me. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:25 PM
                      16. Michael, you told me he was begotten in eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:24 PM
                      17. Perhaps, but not mean that He was created from eternity past as you have it mean. - Michael on Feb 22, 2015, 2:09 AM
                      18. I agree with you Michael. One has to understand "eternally" to know that eternally - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 1:27 PM
                      19. So now you have 2 begettings of Christ, before you told me - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:49 AM
                      20. You're changing the subject. The subject is, was Christ created. No word of Christ's - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 9:10 PM
                      21. Michael, I never said he was created from eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:01 AM
     
  10. prayer to the tritnity View Thread - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:44 AM
    1. You're joking about God.....tsk! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:54 AM
      1. how do u pray tp 6our trinity - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:05 PM
        1. You don't even understand Trinity, otherwise you wouldn't ask a stupid question like that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:12 PM
          1. Amen to that. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:13 AM
          2. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Proof that Michael and I have different vies about Trinity! Or better shut your mouth! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:40 AM
          3. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Who says I am ordinary? Proof it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:41 AM
          4. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:26 AM
            1. Why are you dodging the question where Jesus was before but not Elijah? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:12 AM
          5. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:27 AM
            1. Why do you and your INC cohorts claim Jesus was not prophesied being God by Isaiah when, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:16 AM
      2. Guenter, why is that an invalid prayer, if you believe - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:02 AM
        1. If you consider this: "or the the TRinity is one God?" a part of a prayer, I only can - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:49 AM
          1. OK, so he stuttered in writing, he wrote 'the' twice. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:56 AM
            1. OK, maybe the question mark at the end would indicate some uncertainty - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:59 AM
            2. It's not the double the, tf is questioning the Trinity in a prayer to God. That is NOT a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:47 AM
              1. Have you been certain about every doctrine mentioned - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:45 AM
                1. tf did not ask for enlightening. He is a a convinced INC who gives a sh** about trinity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 2, 2014, 1:31 PM
                  1. He did not mock God as he views him, he mocked your picture - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:38 PM
                    1. He mocked God. And so are you. You're an anti-trinitarian. And I never hated INC, I pity - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:28 PM
                      1. I am not anti-trinitarian, I believe the trinity theory is a possibility. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      2. You're anti-trinitarian for at least two reasons: 1. You claim Jesus was created. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:33 PM
                      3. You have a funny definition of anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      4. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:53 PM
                      5. You say here that anyone who says Jesus is not God is anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
                      6. You're a hypocrite or a liar or both. You insist that Jesus was created, "a god". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      7. Every decent person is a hypocrite, since everyone sins. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      8. Any created being is not God. You created Jesus is not God. You're an anti-trinitarian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 12:46 PM
                      9. You say any created being is not God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      10. Oh my, Tomas, you're getting desperate. If a created being would also be God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:10 PM
                      11. No, we would not have two Gods or more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:36 AM
                      12. Open minded to the "Tomas Bible"? The "Holy Bible" doesn't have any basis for yo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:23 PM
                      13. Open minded to trying to understand the Holy Bible, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47 PM
                      14. Look who is talking. The man who doesn't know Koine Greek. The man who doesn't understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:39 AM
                      15. I can understand Koine Greek with the help of an interlinear - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
                      16. I'm not superior. I only have proof without any doubt that you insist on an incorrect - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:49 AM
                      17. OK, so you think your proof is superior to my proof, - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:34 PM
                      18. Baloney.... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:18 PM
                      19. OK, how about you asking your professor friend, how he would translate - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:05 AM
                      20. It took him but a minute. And what you THINK, was wrong. Again! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:32 PM
    2. In the NAME of whom does INC baptize? - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:00 AM
      1. In the NAME: Singular - only ONE, not Plural/Many - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:24 PM
        1. why did you capitalize the word NAME?? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:17 AM
          1. For people like you who can't SEE clearly. Now, can you answer my question? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 5:34 AM
            1. i can see ckearly that u want to distort that passage.. - tf on Nov 6, 2014, 1:50 AM
              1. Then you say you see clearly is what is not there TF. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 9:04 AM
                1. where is clearly there? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:29 AM
                  1. Back to where you evade TF, do INC baptize in the name of the Father, & the Son, & the HS? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:08 AM
      2. One yet of three: Father, Son, Holy Spirit - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:26 PM
        1. Amen to that! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:04 AM
        2. what verse? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:03 AM
          1. Are you still in kindergarten? Michael named you the verse right on top. Geeeeee - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. where??? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 5:22 PM
              1. In what name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:05 PM
                1. there is nothing declared in that verse mike tsk tsk - tf on Nov 18, 2014, 1:40 AM
                  1. Your total lack of grammar knowledge lets you also believe the other sheep, that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 18, 2014, 7:36 AM
                  2. Why can't you tell in whose name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 11:34 AM
                    1. Michael, Tomas answered that. He attend at least one INC baptism, and they baptize in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 2:07 PM
                      1. Yes, and INCer TF apparently don't want to confess this. I don't know why he wouldn't. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:06 AM
              2. Here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/84590/message/1413741649/In+the+NAME+of+whom+does+INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
                1. where in that verse declared that the Thrre is 1 God? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:24 AM
                  1. That happens to you when you don't know that "name" is singular. In other words, you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 13, 2015, 6:40 PM
      3. The apostles baptized only in the name of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 7:46 AM
        1. They did. And there goes your problem with Matthew 28:19. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:40 AM
          1. Just as Trinitarians are fixated in the Trinity, I am likwise fixated - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. And if my memory serves me right, INCquitor told me that he baptize accdg to Mt.28:19 - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:43 AM
              1. Did I say that? Force of habit acquired in the INC I guess. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 3:48 PM
                1. Force of habit? What do you mean? - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:02 PM
                2. At least now INCquisitor, you admit to have been brainwashed and still hang over it. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 2:28 AM
            2. We are not fixated. We know grammar, unlike you. We know John 17:3 doesn't exclude - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:14 PM
     
 
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