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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. INC CONVERT STORY View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 9:10 PM
    1. What about INC desertion stories? INC membership is on the decline, my friend! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:31 PM
    2. how do you feel worshiping a man? how do call a man worshiping a creature? - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 10:50 PM
      1. Christ might be a man again. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:46 PM
        1. Where does your doctrine come from? - INCquisitor on Mar 29, 2015, 8:59 AM
        2. ok Tomas, keep up with your "maybe, might be", I won't argue with that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:54 AM
          1. Karlos, I only learned the other day how old Tomas is. I'm amazed how a man of his age can - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 31, 2015, 7:13 AM
     
  2. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                      4. Beginning of creation? You're adding to the scriptures. That's a no no. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      5. I gave you verses proving he was created. If you don't believe me, OK, - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
                      6. no Tomas, before creation there was no time as we know of it! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      7. So give me a verse to prove it. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:02 PM
                      8. so now you want a verse that prove God has no beggining nor end? - Karlos on Mar 15, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      9. No, I know God has no beginning nor end. I want a verse - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:08 AM
                      10. I am talking about OUR time as we know it! - Karlos on Mar 21, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      11. But I see no indication in the Bible that before creation, time somehow flew differently - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      12. I am not implying anything, you are. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:39 AM
                      13. Why would God's time in eternity be different than - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      14. I don't want to repeat my explanation about time and spiritual body, I've done that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:57 AM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
                      7. He was a god but could be God too. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      8. If He was a god, he never could be God. Either He is the only true God, or a god of many. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      9. He can be both. And you misspell the en, you have final sigma - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      10. Time existed only at the moment of creation as we understood the meaning of time - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      11. Tomas has nothing but assumptions, "coulds", "maybes" etc. because he believes i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 12, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      12. Karlos, why wouldn't time be eternal? Do you have a verse - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
                      13. prove to me with any versebthat the time we know now is the same time... - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      14. Since I see no verse to the contrary, I assume that time before creation was just like - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:06 AM
                      15. again Tomas, God cannot create a creature that can be God! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      16. Why can't God grow, create additional persons within himself? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
                      17. Yes, I know that Tomas. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 5:58 AM
                      18. You know that one who has no uncertainties will be surprised? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      19. Uncertainties denotes doubt. With faith, there are no uncertainties. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      20. No uncertainties about anything? But you admitted you don't know everything about God. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:23 AM
                      21. Knowing and being certain that Christ is God does not mean knowing everything about God. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      22. Yes. But I feel sure that to be certain that Christ is God is going beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:15 PM
                      23. Well, that is the way it is then for you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      24. Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 AM
     
  3. According to John 10:18, Jesus has the POWER to take his life back again. View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
    1. Jesus had that power even if he was totally dead, body, soul and spirit. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:10 PM
      1. That's what can be understood in John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 1:24 AM
        1. I did not mean to suggest Elisha's bones had that power without God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 1:06 AM
          1. But you did mean that the bones resurrected the dead man. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
            1. To you it sounds like foolishness, but don't underestimate the abilities of God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:18 PM
              1. And who underestimate God? Not me. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 6:48 PM
                1. Don't misunderstand me, don't twist my words. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                  1. Did I twist your words Tomas? Not so. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 6:44 AM
                    1. OK, so you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'so'. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      1. Is that so Tomas? - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 3:51 PM
                      2. OK, let's drop the 'so' and discuss more interesting stuff. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:07 PM
                      3. Tomas: my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 1:46 AM
                      4. My answers to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:55 AM
                      5. Tomas: my comments. - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      6. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:21 PM
                      7. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 12:01 PM
                      8. Michael, more comments to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
                      9. Tomas, more of the truth for you. - Michael on Jan 5, 2015, 11:18 PM
                      10. So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      11. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 12:54 AM
                      12. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 1:06 AM
                      13. So let's discuss some more. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      14. Ok Tomas, let's discuss some more. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 7:32 AM
                      15. Yes, let's discuss more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:05 AM
                      16. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Feb 26, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      17. OK, Michael, more discussion. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:26 AM
                      18. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Mar 11, 2015, 12:05 AM
                      19. About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      20. Re: About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 10:04 AM
                      21. More about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:44 AM
                      22. Re: More about these topics. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 1:15 AM
                      23. Still more about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:27 AM
      2. Tomas, now you also don't understand Rev. 3:14. That adds to your ignorance regarding - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:46 PM
        1. So give me your interpretation of Rev. 3:14, so we can - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Many have tried to explain the verse to you already. Why would I think you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:50 PM
            1. OK, you think neither of us can persuade the other. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:06 PM
                1. Well, tell Jesus he is an idiot for believing some are gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:28 PM
                  1. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
                    1. Of course those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
                      1. You're admitting again to be an anti-trinitarian. May God help you. I'm through with you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      2. I am not anti-trinitarian. Trinity is a possibility. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:22 PM
                      3. The Word was "a god" is anti-trinitarian. And you insist, that this is THE correct - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:17 PM
                      4. It is not antitrinitarian. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
                      5. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      6. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      7. He was created, but he could have been created God, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      8. God was not created. So you're anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      9. God initially was not created, but always existed, but he could have created - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:52 AM
                      10. If you believe Jesus was created you are anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      11. I know, you keep repeating that. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      12. Trinity in itself is inflexible. One God, uncreated, three persons OF God, who is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      13. Your mind is inflexible on this. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:17 PM
                      14. You're not saying it's a possibility. And the Word was a god takes away all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      15. OK, it seems ludicrous to you, based on your logic. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      16. Jesus was created? Ludicrous again! God never spoke to you through the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:31 PM
                      17. Sorry that you find it ludicrous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      18. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. I have not added one syllable to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:48 PM
                      19. You added to the Bible the alleged salvation requirement - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
                      20. We need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. In your anti-trinitarian faith, you do not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      21. Of course we need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:51 AM
                      22. The Bible only doesn't tell YOU, mostly because you insist on incorrect translations. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:13 PM
                      23. So you think the translations you insist on are always correct? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:12 PM
                      24. So far, they are correct. Because I do better research than you do, and I have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      25. I am not getting involved in any subject of the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
                      26. Meaning in just any subject. Just those I have studied - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:42 AM
    2. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit does die. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:31 PM
    3. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit DOESN'T DIE. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
      1. You say if God died, the whole world will collapse into oblivion. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:44 PM
        1. As usual, friend Tomas doesn't understand the world, the Bible and the teachings of all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:52 PM
          1. Well, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph 469: - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:44 PM
            1. If stupidity would hurt, you'd cry all day. The Catechism says Christ died, his human - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:08 PM
              1. The rest of paragraph 469 does not deny the fact, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:24 PM
                1. You seem to still misunderstand or didn't read the word immortal How can an immortal - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:26 PM
                  1. So the paragraph 469 is contradictory. But then it is not in - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:56 AM
                    1. Only contradictory in your mind! You were lying when you said Catholics believe - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:22 AM
                      1. It sure looks like they believe God died based on the wording - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      2. Only poorly worded for the language impaired or wickedly minded. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      3. Oh, don't be so arrogant. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:22 PM
                      4. I am superior to you. I'm not an anti-trinitarian. I also trust people when they teach - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:38 PM
                      5. What? I don't call them liars or doubt their sincerity. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:43 PM
                      6. Yes, you pulled out Catechism 469 to tell me the RCC is teaching God died on the cross. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:53 PM
                      7. I did not call them liars, just that maybe they misunderstood - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      8. They misunderstood???? The truth is, you did, and do not refrain from telling the world - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:18 PM
                      9. Well, OK, if that paragraph is harder to understand than it seems to me, - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:31 AM
                      10. You were willfully lying after I presented you with the statement of an representative of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:42 PM
                      11. What are Catholics supposed to rely on more, the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:43 PM
                      12. It's not only Mr. Serpa, it's the entire Catholic Church. Citing heretics here does hurt - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      13. Do you think every Catholic believes what Mr. Serpa believes? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:56 AM
                      14. It's the official doctrine of the RCC. If some Catholics do not believe that, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:18 PM
                      15. If it is the official doctrine, then why would the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:14 PM
                      16. Sorry to break my word and not answer your stupid remarks anymore. But this one is more - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 2:43 PM
                      17. But it says also "O Christ our God, you who by your death - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:34 AM
                      18. I know I shouldn't have answered you. You're twisting even your own words. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:21 PM
                      19. The Catechism could have meant that the Son is immortal after - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:05 AM
    4. That's right INCquisitor. All you need is to believe in it. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. show me the verse that says Jesus EXERCISED such power. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 AM
        1. Still asking? Well then, you'll never see it. So, ok trash John 10:18 as you have. - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
      2. Jesus referred to the Father as the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. And INCquisitor says "I trash the words of Jesus in John 10:18". - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:48 AM
        2. The Father is the Only True God as opposed to many idols - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 10, 2014, 7:32 PM
          1. idols or not he is the only true God the Father - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:14 AM
            1. John 17:3 is INC's bread and butter error verse. It does NOT say "only you, Father, are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 4:59 PM
            2. tf, the lying INC administration has been exposed by their own "holy" magazine, by Pasugo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 8, 2015, 6:00 PM
            3. tf cannot refute...no surprise here... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 12, 2015, 2:59 PM
     
  4. Jesus proclaimed Himself "Alpha and Omega." I will be their God and they shall be my View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 8, 2014, 5:03 AM
    1. So each can be called Alpha and Omega in some sense. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:50 PM
      1. A comment : Alpha and THE OMEGA. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:19 AM
        1. So Jesus is the Alpha in some sense, while the Father - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
          1. Of course that is how you wanted it. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:41 PM
            1. No, for example, Jesus is the way to the Father, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:15 PM
              1. You seemed to have missed the point of the questions Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:47 PM
                1. Well, you can't interpret the words too literally, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:53 PM
                  1. Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 5:43 AM
                    1. I actually now suspect that alpha and omega is not about time. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:14 AM
                      1. Another speculation now Tomas? Not yet tired of speculating? - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 7:02 AM
                      2. Well, I am quite sure now it can't be about time. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      3. No need to speculate Tomas. Go to scriptures. - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 4:28 AM
                      4. Still, it can't be about time. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:57 PM
                      5. Not really the issue there Tomas. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:36 AM
                      6. Michael, I gave Tomas some help and allies in his quest to disprove that Jesus is God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:40 PM
                      7. Have you never been the last or the first in anything? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:42 PM
                      8. I have Tomas, but not "the first and the last", or "the beginning and the end". - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      9. So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:53 PM
                      10. Re: So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 8:45 PM
                      11. You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      12. Re: You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 12:46 AM
                      13. More about first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      14. Re: More about first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      15. More discussion of first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:50 AM
                      16. Re: More discussion of first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 30, 2015, 7:30 AM
                      17. More about being the first and the last. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:57 AM
                      18. Re: More about being the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 6:50 AM
                      19. More on the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35 PM
                      20. Re: More on the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 14, 2015, 10:58 PM
                      21. And more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 4:05 AM
                      22. Re: And more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      23. Still more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:05 PM
                      24. Re: Still more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 5:56 AM
                      25. The first and the last, and the reasons for differences in belief. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:29 AM
                      26. Sorry, wrong book, the verse about Sunday is 1 Cor. 16:2, - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:04 AM
          2. Tomas, is Jesus just one among the many Christ then? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:42 PM
            1. No, in that case the Christ means the one unique Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:18 PM
              1. So, "the Christ" denotes "no other Christ", right? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 4:26 PM
                1. In this case, yes, the only true Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:05 PM
                  1. That's right, even when scriptures does not speak of Christ as the "only" true Christ. - Michael on Nov 12, 2014, 7:00 PM
                    1. For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:02 PM
                      1. Re: For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      2. See our discussion above. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:59 PM
                      3. Here is some help for you, Tomas. Jesus is not even the Alpha and the Omega. So you are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:18 PM
                      4. Interesting article from a weird church. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 2:32 PM
                      5. You didn't notice my sarcasm. Too bad. That weird church is as weird us you. Just in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 3:35 PM
                      6. Not much in common with them. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      7. Don't even try to deny. Their "Word was a god" is also your weird religion. Nazism wasn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:19 PM
                      8. No, they say the Word is some important words of God. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:37 PM
                      9. You're wrong, as usual. Their Bible says "And the Word was a god." - same as you. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:32 PM
                      10. You mean that small church translated the whole Bible? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:56 PM
                      11. It seems like you don't believe me. I also have never heard before they said "divine" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:26 PM
                      12. You are giving me the web site of Jehovah's Witnesses. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:33 PM
                      13. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      14. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      15. It is true the JWs made a fatal error in stuffing the name Jehovah into - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:02 AM
                      16. LOL..a good translation by trashing Jesus? You're in good company! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:56 PM
                      17. Where did they trash Jesus? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
                      18. JW is trashing Jesus. You're defending them. So you are trashing Jesus too. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:42 AM
                      19. OK, JWs are in a way trashing Jesus by claiming he was resurrected not - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      20. You just make me laugh with your excuses. I'm getting tired of you. End of discussion. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      21. Excuses? I did not excuse them. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:17 PM
      2. Here comes the "Jesus was created" fantasy again! A child called mighty God was prophesied - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:23 AM
        1. That long name in Isaiah was not titles for Jesus. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
          1. Only an antitrinitarian like you can assume that there is a second father in the Godhead. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 14, 2015, 9:11 PM
            1. I have read a number of Trinitarians claiming all the titles - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:06 PM
              1. As I told you before, you're listening to people and not the word of God, the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:26 PM
                1. I listen to the Bible of course. But some verses are difficult, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:12 PM
                  1. Sounds so innocent, but I haven't seen you change your mind here in 6 or 7 years but once. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:15 PM
                    1. Michael convinced me of several things. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:13 PM
                      1. OK...I can't feel buts ad about your attitude. You totally omitted the important errors of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:57 PM
                      2. I might be still wrong about some minor things. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:08 AM
                      3. Saved by faith is going beyond the Bible? Only in your fantasy. You believe what Muslims - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      4. We are saved by faith, but not by faith in the additional teachings - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      5. If Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus has the nature of His Father, the nature of God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03 PM
                      6. God is omnipotent, so if he wants, he is able to sire a Son - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:19 PM
                      7. and you are not sure if Jesus is a god or God! - 9Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:17 AM
                      8. Jesus is a god, and he might be God. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:39 PM
          2. You might consider the name in Matthew 28:19 as a long name - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:50 AM
            1. I don't take the word 'name' in that verse literally, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:23 PM
              1. So, Tomas, what is this name to you? - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Not literally a name. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:39 PM
                  1. So, for you "name" in Matthew 28:19 refers to authority. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:37 PM
    2. One God and One Lord. Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord is our God. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
      1. Zech. 13:9 is what God spoke to our fathers by the prophets (Heb. 1:1). - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:53 PM
    3. The one who sat on the throne (Rev. 21:5) - not Jesus spoke Rev. 21:6. - INCquisitor on Oct 21, 2014, 5:24 PM
    4. A Trinitarian who cannot rightly divide the word of truth. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:39 AM
      1. Howdy again. I'm glad you realized that both the Lord God and Jesus said the same about - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 2:27 PM
        1. That only shows how closed your mind is! - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:49 PM
          1. Comon, I'm being nice to you and you're getting ugly. Is that the love Jesus was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:54 PM
            1. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and Jews liars. - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 4:44 AM
              1. Why are you afraid to consult an English language scholar? Afraid of the truth? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:12 AM
                1. The English language scholar you consult has messed up your brain! - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 7:35 PM
                  1. You're just repeating your fallacies. That doesn't make them the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:08 PM
                    1. Who is an "idiot?" - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 3:55 AM
                      1. LOL, you can't help yourself and dig your hole even deeper. The ratio of Trinitarians to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 11:10 AM
                      2. To a perfectly normal person, Trinity = 3 Gods. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      3. You will remain a perfect idiot for the rest of your life. You still argue like an INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 10:03 PM
                      4. Trinity is not Tritheism. Consult your dictionaries INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:35 AM
                      5. No matter how you or the dictionary define Trinity, the TRUTH is... - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 3:53 AM
                      6. So now you trash the dictionary as well. I wonder why you use it though. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      7. The dictionary defines "trinity" according to Christian dogma. - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 5:40 PM
                      8. It defines it not as to mean of three Gods INCquisitor. Now compare that with Tritheism. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      9. Michael, you cannot reasonably argue with an idiot like INCqusitor. I admire your patience - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 9:21 AM
                      10. You feel so superior, so when INCquisitor disagrees with you, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:45 PM
                      11. I don't call INCquisitor an idiot because of his beliefs. I am calling him an idiot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:33 PM
                      12. Well, my Father never learned English grammar well, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 9:30 PM
                      13. You're comparing apple with oranges. Good grammar is not depending on knowing a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      14. So, Guenter, you too are a refugee from Communism? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:32 AM
                      15. Your belief that Trinity is NOT 3 Gods is idiotic! - INCquisitor on Jan 25, 2015, 6:11 AM
                      16. You will die in your sins. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 PM
                      17. how about your belief? - Karlos on Jan 29, 2015, 6:17 AM
                      18. You don't believe God is a Triad? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
                      19. Tomas think that a triad is the same as Trinity. - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      20. Go study some Greek. In Greek, that is how they call Trinity. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:42 PM
                      21. Somehow this ends when the truth sends him away, as apparently many times in this forum - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:59 PM
                      22. If INCquisitor refuses to take some grammar lessons, nothing will help him to not die in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:00 PM
     
  5. HOW JESUS SAVES View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 7:55 AM
    1. You still have your INC brainwashed mind. None of the Greek scripts are saying Church of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
      1. What you are saying is out of topic. - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:41 PM
        1. And His church is, according to the Apostles, the Church of God. Just another evidence - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:53 PM
          1. What the apostles say CANNOT prevail over what Jesus said. - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:00 AM
            1. So God inspired the Apostles to say something wrong? Show me a Greek script that says - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 7:59 AM
            2. So God made the Apostles telling lies. Wow, INCquisitor, good luck on Judgment Day! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 2015, 8:08 PM
            3. INCquisitor has no response, but accuses Christians to b pigs. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:34 PM
            4. where is your proof weird, confused, crazy multi-celled organism? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:07 AM
    2. Who Jesus is, and who the church is. - Michael on Feb 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
    3. HOW GOD SAVES. - Michael on Mar 3, 2015, 7:34 PM
      1. And those who deny the Son to have the nature of His Father do not believe in the Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:36 PM
      2. If the son is God, why don't you believe what he said in John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2015, 4:29 AM
        1. Hahahaha! How about you weird guy? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:37 AM
          1. Read John 17:11-12 (TEV). - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:26 PM
        2. You don't know how God saves INCquisitor? - Michael on Mar 5, 2015, 6:42 AM
        3. Every true Christian believes that. As every true Christian does NOT deny the Son the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 5, 2015, 5:02 PM
      3. It is not enough to say you believe in Jesus to be saved. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:32 PM
        1. Saying you believe is different from "believing" INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:21 PM
          1. You say you "believe" Jesus, don't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 10, 2015, 3:27 AM
            1. Yes I do, Incquisitor. Believing in Jesus is not a matter of speech, but a matter of life. - Michael on Mar 13, 2015, 6:16 PM
              1. Your understanding of John 8:40 and John 17:3 is TWISTED and FALSE! - INCquisitor on Mar 13, 2015, 7:13 PM
                1. No INCquisitor. Your's is. - Michael on Mar 15, 2015, 7:45 PM
                  1. Mike Incquisitor again used the wore "altered"! - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 7:28 AM
                2. INCquisitor, Mt. 28:19 altered by translators? Then look at it in the original - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:52 AM
                  1. I don't understand Greek, the apostles did. But..... - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 8:22 AM
                    1. LOL, INCquisitor, you're still a full INC. Choosing the Bible version that fits your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 22, 2015, 11:06 AM
                      1. My elementary grammar is fine. - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      2. You sure are hard-headed. It taught you Tritheism, not Trinity. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 5:42 PM
                      3. Whether it is tritheism or trinity, you are bone-headed to believe that... - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 6:18 PM
                      4. INCquisitor: A shameless display of hardheadedness and lack of comprehension - Michael on Mar 24, 2015, 7:18 PM
                      5. One God PLUS one God PLUS one God equals THREE Gods. Hard to comprehend? You bet! - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:42 PM
                      6. one God TIMES one God TIMES one God equals one God! hahahahaha! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:50 AM
                      7. That is what is called Tritheism INCquisitor, not Trinity. Hard to comprehend? - Michael on Mar 26, 2015, 9:31 AM
                    2. hahahaha, abide by the words of Jesus and sometimes NOT! hahahahahahahaha! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:47 AM
                    3. INCquisitor, the apostles understood the Aramaic of Mt. 28:19, - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:59 PM
     
  6. Did any of you anti-trinitarians -- especially INCquisitor -- ever read Galatians 1:1? View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 17, 2015, 6:44 AM
    1. In Gal. 1:1 Paul does not say that Jesus Christ is God. - INCquisitor on Mar 17, 2015, 6:20 PM
      1. Gal. 1:1 speaks of the apostleship of Paul. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:01 AM
      2. Oh well, INCquisitor defends his false understanding of John 17:3 and John 8:40 by - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:04 PM
      3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:42 AM
        1. That is not a nice Christian reaction to him, of you. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:26 AM
          1. ok I'm sorry about what I've said against incquisitor. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:49 AM
            1. The commandment 'you shall not kill' has been mistranslated - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
              1. ok Tomas, kill anyone that threaten your country. - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 11:03 PM
                1. God now inspires us only by us reading the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:41 PM
    2. If Paul's authority as an apostle comes from Christ, consequently, Paul's - Wayne on Mar 18, 2015, 2:07 AM
      1. Gal. 1:1 strictly speaking talks about the apostleship of Paul and not of the twelve. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:06 AM
        1. Paul knew that Jesus is a MAN and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Mar 18, 2015, 3:45 PM
          1. We know that too. But Paul ALSO knew -- what you don't know -- that Christ was not just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:18 PM
            1. Are you saying that Paul knew what YOU know that I don't know? - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 4:23 AM
              1. The only contradictions in the Bible are being created by you, INCqusitor. Unfortunately , - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 7:41 AM
          2. But Paul knew more than what you do about that. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 6:33 PM
            1. God being savior and Jesus being savior too does not make Jesus God. - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 3:27 PM
              1. For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 20, 2015, 8:50 AM
                1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 7:57 AM
                  1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 6:19 PM
                    1. True Christians are disciples of Christ (Acts 11:26; John 8:31). - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:39 PM
                      1. It's not an interpretation, INCquisitor. Those are the true words of Paul, inspired by God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 26, 2015, 7:03 AM
                      2. INCquisitor deviates for the nth time as his final refutation attempt. - Michael on Mar 26, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      3. Bravo, Michael. I couldn't have said your summation better myself! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
          3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:48 AM
            1. Answer me wise guy, did Jesus say he is man and God? - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 8:01 AM
              1. hehehe the weird guy asking me weird questions! - Karlos on Mar 23, 2015, 8:34 AM
                1. So you don;t believe what YOUR god Jesus say in John 17:11-12 TEV? - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 4:04 AM
                  1. hahaha, John 17:11-12???? - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:38 AM
                    1. hahahaha the weirdiest weird guy has no answer! I thought you are an expert! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:57 AM
                  2. fccc in this forum! that is a joke isn't it? fccc is a fake and false church! - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:45 AM
                  3. where are your answer incquisitor! tsk tsk tsk! lol! - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 AM
        2. An apostle means someone who is sent - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:50 PM
        3. Although Christ is man in his state of being, it is wrong to - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 3:18 PM
          1. No man whatsoever was involved in any way in the commissioning of Paul as an apostle. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 6:12 PM
            1. It's like telling the Catholics that their Pope was sent by men - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 6:59 PM
              1. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:19 PM
                1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 5:02 AM
                  1. 1. Your presumption is incorrect. 2. If the President of the US is being elected by the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 20, 2015, 7:33 AM
                    1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 4:07 PM
                      1. God sends all preachers of the gospel, even if they are unsaved. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:27 AM
                      2. I already told you, your presumption is incorrect. Now I presume you know that God gave - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 10:06 AM
                      3. Having been elected by human's free will, is the Pope God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 5:54 AM
                      4. I don't know. Maybe a Catholic can answer that best. Are YOU Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 22, 2015, 8:42 AM
                      5. Is your religious leader [religious organization you belong] God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      6. I guess I know now why you're repeating your question and not answering mine. You must be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 23, 2015, 7:29 AM
      2. The NRSV translation is not a true translation. It's an interpretation. For a serious - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:29 PM
        1. Just the same. Any translation need to be interpreted. - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:52 PM
          1. Not by the translator. His duty is to translate. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. NRSV was tranlated by groups from Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 8:07 PM
              1. So? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:17 PM
                1. I think these group of Trinitarian scholars have better understanding - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 12:34 AM
                  1. Maybe, maybe not. What speaks against them is that the vast majority of accomplished - TION on Mar 21, 2015, 9:49 AM
                  2. My previous: "Maybe, maybe not." came under a false name. Sorry. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 3:39 PM
     
  7. Baptism into the TRUE body or church of Christ: Prerequisite for salvation. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 2015, 3:22 PM
    1. Thank you for not responding to many open threads. That means you agree with those you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2015, 8:54 PM
    2. First, tell us INCquisitor, what is Baptism? - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:20 AM
      1. Do this simple and basic question shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:05 AM
        1. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
        2. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
      2. Your question is immaterial. Refute my post, if you can. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:23 PM
        1. My question is one that you can't apparently answer, and is very material. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 12:59 AM
    3. INCquisitor, only the Holy Spirit baptism is necessary for salvation, not water - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:41 AM
      1. The thief on the cross did not repent. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:42 AM
        1. Mark did write both thieves reviled Jesus, but then Luke added - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 11:00 AM
          1. Luke did not make any observation. He merely wrote what he heard. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:31 PM
            1. Two blind and deaf people are disagreeing on what the Apostles and what Jesus said. Very - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:03 PM
            2. INCquisitor, Luke was inspired by God to write the truth. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:56 PM
              1. Matthew, Mark and Luke harmonize WITHOUT thinking beyond what is written. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:08 AM
                1. Well, you clearly harmonize them strangely. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 7:32 AM
                  1. Re: Well, you clearly harmonize them strangely. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:38 PM
                    1. You keep misunderstanding the account in Luke. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      1. Matthew and Mark said the robbers (plural) REVILED Jesus (Matt. 27:44; Mark 15:32). - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 2:58 PM
                      2. Of course they wrote it. And then Luke wrote what happened later. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 4:56 AM
                      3. You are only stating your opinion, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 21, 2015, 6:53 AM
                      4. My belief, like that of other Christians, is based on harmonizing Luke with Matthew and - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 9:02 AM
                      5. Death is a "STATE of peace or bliss." The tomb is a "PLACE of peace or bliss." - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 6:43 AM
                      6. Death is the wage of sin. It's punishment. Punishment is not a state of bliss and peace. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 6:28 PM
                      7. Are you saying that Jesus was not in a STATE of peace when he died on the cross? - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 5:59 PM
                      8. I'm saying that death is the wage of sin & is punishment, not peace & bliss, INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 25, 2015, 6:23 PM
                      9. In what STATE was Jesus in the day he died, PEACE or torment? - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 6:32 PM
                      10. Is the punishment for sin, that is, death, a peaceful and blissful thing? - Michael on Mar 27, 2015, 5:57 PM
                      11. INCquisitor, the state of being dead is not called paradise. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 10:31 PM
                      12. Only way to harmonize Luke with Matthew and Mark is to NOT think beyond what is written - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:32 PM
                      13. But you are misinterpreting Luke by claiming the thief reviled Jesus in Luke. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:25 PM
    4. And what is Baptism INCquisitor? If you don't know, why do you speak of it? - Michael on Mar 27, 2015, 6:00 PM
     
  8. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:16 PM
    1. Engelberto, is your father's name Felix? I'm not kidding: My INC teacher was Felix Lim. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:37 PM
     
  9. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
    1. The devil makes people happy on earth. God's Kingdom is not from this world, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 PM
     
  10. INC Convert Story View Thread - Bryan X on Sep 17, 2004, 7:26 PM
    1. Did Michael marry Sister Margie Javier? - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:41 PM
      1. Do INC Filipino women convert only jellyfish girlie white men? Like BGC, Bible Student, - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:40 PM
      2. VERITAS, you are losing your mind. LoL! - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:41 AM
    2. A Baptist believed that the Catholic Church was the apostate church. - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:50 PM
      1. Yes, Baptists too are usually divisive. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:26 AM
    3. A Protestant prays for a Catholic's conversion, got himself converted - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:23 PM
    4. Hundreds of Catholic conversions - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:35 PM
    5. Convert Story: A Former Catholic Priest who became INC - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 17, 2004, 10:40 PM
    6. Another Convert Story: A Former Nun Bidding Farewell to the Nunnery - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 18, 2004, 12:55 AM
    7. Journey of a lowly pilgrim. - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:20 AM
    8. Journey to God. Part 1 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:23 AM
    9. Journey to God, Part 2 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:26 AM
    10. Journey to God, Part 3 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:28 AM
    11. I can't forget the former members of ADD converting to INC. - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:57 AM
    12. Another INC Convert Story - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 11:23 AM
      1. The Happiest Moment In My Life - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 9:15 PM
    13. INC Convert Story (To Islam) - Bro RSP on Sep 18, 2004, 12:05 PM
      1. Be careful, Islam is a false gospel. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:21 AM
    14. A former INC's story. - Veritas ††† on Sep 19, 2004, 6:25 PM
     
 
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