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  1. INC was practicing Biblical eisegesis View Thread - Another Insider on Nov 13, 9:17 PM
    1. Yes, everyone sometimes fails to look at the context, - Tomas on Nov 14, 11:00 AM
      1. When you look at Jesus Christ's attributes - Another Insider on Nov 15, 6:21 PM
        1. Just because some of his attributes are like God, - Tomas on Nov 19, 4:00 AM
          1. You might as well review the doctrines of Incarnation and Kenosis - Another Insider on Nov 20, 10:51 PM
     
  2. Attention: Theobook and other anti-deity of Christ View Thread - Another Insider on Nov 20, 10:31 PM
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  3. BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD View Thread - Jason on Jun 28, 9:36 PM
    1. Or if that is too much for you to tackle - Jason on Jun 28, 9:44 PM
      1. I pity your ignorance! - Jim on Jun 29, 3:52 PM
        1. Blah. Blah! The Bible does not contradict itself. - cyrus2009 on Jun 29, 4:00 PM
          1. Please child read the history of trinity! - Jim on Jun 29, 4:13 PM
            1. You better read the Bible, baby..... - cyrua2009 on Jul 4, 6:26 PM
              1. Cyrus2009 , , baby - cyrua2009 on Jul 4, 6:27 PM
            2. Trinity is explained in the NT. Not the word "Trinity" but the essence of the triune God. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 10, 8:15 AM
              1. Yeah, you did explained it! - Jim on Sep 19, 2:19 PM
                1. Again, baby, I like the way you talk to me. Defying the rules of INC. You're the living - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 4:54 PM
        2. I guess Jim does not believe the Bible nor does he believe in Jesus Christ - Jason on Jun 29, 4:56 PM
          1. If the INC in this forum worships your trinity, then I am not one of them. - Jim on Jun 29, 5:10 PM
    2. Jason, how old are you again? you still believe on fables? You are so pathetic!!!! - Jim on Jun 29, 3:54 PM
      1. Why fail to mention Arius and Sabellius? - cyrus2009 on Jun 29, 4:07 PM
        1. Another pathetic childish trinitarian. - Jim on Jun 29, 4:12 PM
          1. God is plural, baby. - cyrus2009 on Jul 4, 6:30 PM
            1. If Elohim is plural, is Chemosh plural? - Tomas on Jul 9, 5:34 PM
              1. No relevance question--- - cyrus2009 on Jul 9, 7:11 PM
                1. It is relevant. Of course I did not mean Chemosh was real. - Tomas on Jul 11, 4:00 AM
                  1. It is not relevant comparison. - cyrus2009 on Jul 11, 6:52 AM
                    1. The relevance is in showing elohim as singular. - Tomas on Jul 16, 4:33 AM
                      1. so, you admit that Elohim is singular too.. - cyrus2009 on Jul 21, 4:31 AM
                      2. Let me clarify the name thing. - Tomas on Jul 23, 12:59 AM
                      3. Again, wrong comparison... - cyrus2009 on Jul 23, 4:48 PM
                      4. I am just explaining how the word 'name' is used. - Tomas on Jul 24, 11:17 PM
                      5. In the name of also means.. by authority of - cyrus2009 on Aug 14, 4:39 AM
                      6. That's good English. - Tomas on Aug 15, 1:43 AM
                      7. So you accept the truth.... - cyrus2009 on Aug 19, 4:45 AM
                      8. Most Christians jump to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 20, 3:42 AM
                      9. Speculating wrongly is tantamount to disbeleif. - cyrus2009 on Aug 21, 5:18 AM
                      10. It depends on what you speculate about. - Tomas on Aug 22, 3:02 AM
                      11. So, you do not disagree that God is All knowing.. - cyrus2009 on Aug 22, 4:28 AM
                      12. God knows all, but Jesus did not. - Tomas on Aug 29, 1:54 AM
                      13. That is Infinite Power of God... - cyrus2009 on Aug 30, 8:01 AM
                      14. You trinitarians, binitarians, and modalists have your proofs - Tomas on Sep 3, 6:07 AM
                      15. Your proofs only proves Jesu Christ is man. - cyrus2009 on Sep 6, 2:46 AM
                      16. No way, he is only sometimes a man. - Tomas on Sep 10, 6:22 AM
                      17. Please educate me. When Jesus was not man, what was he? Do you admit, that Jesus has more - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 10, 8:25 AM
                      18. I think he is now a spirit, though I cannot guarantee it. - Tomas on Sep 10, 12:40 PM
                      19. So Jesus tricked all of us and we will all die in our sins because we are not supposed to - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 10, 11:01 PM
                      20. Don't worry, we are just supposed to know several facts. - Tomas on Sep 12, 1:01 AM
                      21. Again, your personal opinion. Jesus requires that we know who he is and we believe in him - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 12, 8:07 AM
                      22. If you think you know everything about Jesus, - Tomas on Sep 17, 6:44 AM
                      23. Did I say we have to know EVERYTHING about Jesus? You're interpretation of the Bible is as - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 18, 7:49 PM
                      24. Not everything includes not about whether he may be God. - Tomas on Sep 19, 5:12 AM
                      25. You don't read the Bible. Jesus said, at least in my Bible, that you will die in your - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 6:40 AM
                      26. I do read the Bible. Jesus said you will die in your sins, - Tomas on Sep 19, 7:03 AM
                      27. Maybe you read the Bible, but you don't understand it. As you didn't understand what I - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 7:35 AM
                      28. Well, this former Muslim disagrees with you. - Tomas on Sep 19, 8:47 AM
                      29. This former Muslim does not disagree with me and all true Christians: Jesus is God. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 8:51 AM
                      30. He agrees with you that Jesus is God, but not that we have to believe all - Tomas on Sep 19, 8:58 AM
                      31. That is good enough for me. You're still denying that Jesus is God. That's YOUR problem - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 9:35 AM
                      32. I am saying correctly that he might be God, we don't know. - Tomas on Sep 19, 9:41 AM
                      33. One more thing, you claim Jesus has two natures. - Tomas on Sep 12, 2:18 AM
                      34. You are mistaken. They went by the scriptures. You are just too blind to see. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 12, 7:56 AM
                      35. Are you saying Paul was lying in Gal. 1:1, when he said Jesus - Tomas on Sep 17, 6:56 AM
                      36. Where do you see me saying Paul was lying? Why would I ever doubt Paul when he says Jesus - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 18, 4:32 PM
                      37. Don't change what I said. I said Paul said Jesus was not human - Tomas on Sep 19, 4:46 AM
                      38. I didn't change what you were saying. I only said I believe when he said Jesus second - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 7:09 AM
                      39. You say second nature is divine. So you still believe his other nature is human. - Tomas on Sep 19, 7:18 AM
                      40. Jesus was man and God when he was on earth. THAT is what you have to - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 7:25 AM
                      41. We have to believe Jesus came in the flesh. - Tomas on Sep 19, 7:35 AM
                      42. Jesus came in the flesh? Where did you get that from? It's not in the - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 7:38 AM
                      43. From 1 John 4:2 and 2 John 7. Both verses make clear, - Tomas on Sep 19, 8:54 AM
                      44. I told you, I will not discuss this because I have not studied it well enough. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 19, 9:38 AM
                      45. So don't jump to conclusions that it is not in the Bible. - Tomas on Sep 19, 9:47 AM
                      46. That Jesus 2000 years ago was God in the flesh is not jumping to conclusions. It's a fact - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 1:51 PM
                      47. That Jesus 2000 years ago was God in the flesh is not jumping to conclusions. It's a fact - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 1:52 PM
                      48. If it were clearly stated in the Bible, there would not be - Tomas on Sep 24, 2:30 AM
                      49. Who says those who misunderstand the Bible are intelligent enough? Just another of your - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 4:05 AM
                      50. All Christians misunderstand parts of the Bible, only Jesus - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:42 AM
                      51. And concerning Jesus saying whatsover I shall have said to you, - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:58 AM
                      52. OK, Ok, so the Bible contradicts itself. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 6:30 AM
                      53. According to Thomas, the Bible contradicts itself. Other Apostles are saying to not only - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 6:28 AM
                      54. Any seeming contradiction is due to misunderstanding. - Tomas on Sep 24, 6:37 AM
                      55. But you know better than the Bible. Leave me alone, Satan. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 6:40 AM
                      56. The Bible is a book, it's not alive to know. But God knows better - Tomas on Sep 24, 6:45 AM
                      57. God, for sure, knows better than you. You even think God is schizophrenic, inspiring one - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 3:24 PM
                      58. You still misunderstand me. The holy tradition was necessary, - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:00 PM
                      59. In other words, Jesus was lying when He said: "But the Counselor, the Holy Ghost, whom - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 27, 6:29 PM
                      60. Jesus was speaking to the apostles. The Counselor did teach them - Tomas on Oct 3, 5:59 AM
                      61. Of course did both, Jesus and the Father, sent the Holy Spirit, because they are one. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Oct 3, 7:17 AM
                      62. I am not infallible, but it can be clear to anyone that the Holy Spirit - Tomas on Oct 8, 6:47 AM
                      63. Ooooops, sorry, I said in my previous post that God inspired the Apostles. Tomas, who - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Oct 3, 7:32 AM
                      64. Both God and his Holy Spirit inspired the apostles. - Tomas on Oct 8, 6:50 AM
                      65. With God nothing is impossible--- - cyrus2009 on Sep 18, 5:07 PM
                      66. God cannot inspire false scripture. - Tomas on Sep 19, 4:53 AM
                      67. Of course, and when you distort the truth, you will answer for it - cyrus2009 on Oct 27, 9:16 AM
                      68. I'm not distorting the truth. And Rev. 1:8 does not say - Tomas on Oct 31, 8:22 AM
                  2. So you have equated the Real God with Chemosh. Very interesting. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 24, 6:04 AM
                    1. I have not equated them. - Tomas on Jul 24, 11:24 PM
                    2. You just did. By Comparing Chemosh to Elohim. - Anonymous on Jul 25, 1:23 AM
                      1. Comparing is not equating. - Tomas on Jul 30, 4:56 AM
                  3. Is Elohim the NAME of God? Where can I read it? - Believe the Bible on Aug 1, 7:39 AM
                    1. Elohim is not a name, but a title. - Tomas on Aug 6, 5:35 PM
                      1. God DROPPED that name Tomas? Where is it written in the bible? - Believe the Bible on Aug 8, 2:06 AM
                      2. Jer. 44:26. - Tomas on Aug 8, 4:45 AM
                      3. Kyrios/Christ [?] is a name Created by YHWH for His Glory. Isa 43:7 - Believe the Bible on Aug 9, 3:41 AM
                      4. The word kyrios is not related to the word Christ. - Tomas on Aug 13, 6:01 AM
                      5. Eloi, Eloi, Eloi, Lama sabacthani..... - cyrus2009 on Aug 14, 4:43 AM
                      6. Eloi means my God, in Aramaic. It's not a name. - Tomas on Aug 15, 1:55 AM
                      7. That is if you believe te Bible... - cyrus2009 on Aug 19, 4:52 AM
                      8. Heb. 1:8 is ambiguous on purpose. - Tomas on Aug 20, 3:35 AM
                      9. That is only one of the proofs that the Lord Jesus is Cod - cyrus2009 on Aug 21, 5:13 AM
                      10. You have your proofs, non-Trinitarian Christians have their proofs. - Tomas on Aug 22, 3:11 AM
                      11. It's faith, not proof, that makes a true Christian. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 5:40 PM
                      12. It's faith, not proof, that makes a true Christian. Where is your faith without proof? - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 6:29 PM
                      13. So stop saying the deity of Jesus is proven. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2:38 AM
                      14. You do have very limited faith. But not even faith that the Bible tells the truth about - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 3:53 AM
                      15. You twisted the words of Jesus. - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:46 AM
                      16. Jesus said "I am he", didn't he? What did God say who he is? Read the OT carefully. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 4:16 PM
                      17. God did not say in Exodus "I am", that is mistranslated. - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:08 PM
                      18. I am not talking Exodus. Please read on. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 5:14 PM
                      19. Jesus said clearly "I am he". YOU are adding this means light of the world. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 4:31 PM
                      20. Jesus was referring to what he said he is, in verse 12. - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:12 PM
                      21. Your personal opinion. I'll pray for you. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 5:16 PM
                      22. I'll pray for you that you'll understand the Bible better. n/t - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:29 PM
                      23. You're such a hypocrite. We are not supposed to understand. And now you pray for me to - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 24, 5:31 PM
                      24. I don't pray for you to understand the whole Bible, nobody - Tomas on Sep 24, 5:44 PM
      2. So what your saying is, you deny and reject the Bible? - Jason on Jun 29, 5:00 PM
        1. I'd rather worship the God of the Israelites! - Jim on Jun 29, 5:06 PM
          1. I'd rather - tumpak on Jun 29, 9:32 PM
            1. lunatic on the loose! - Jim on Jun 30, 3:52 AM
            2. I have to disagree, FYM wasn't stupid. He made tons of money with religious charlanterism. - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 23, 9:14 PM
        2. We believe in the bible. - Forum_Observer on Jul 11, 5:53 PM
    3. Believe the Bible, are you researching these verses? - Jason on Jun 30, 3:01 PM
      1. BTB - Jason on Jul 5, 5:01 PM
      2. Jesus CRIED ' My God My God, why have you forsaken me' research that. I want verses. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 5:33 AM
    4. God was with his Seraphs thats why he said US Isaiah 6. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:13 PM
      1. Same old same old - no, angels did not create anything, us an our created, cant be angels - Jason on Jul 5, 4:57 PM
        1. Jason tell me honestly, who among your god is female? - Jim on Jul 5, 5:42 PM
        2. Any verses Jason? Why don't you read it to me? Us is God and Seraphs in Isaiah 6.8 - Believe the Bible. on Jul 13, 6:26 AM
    5. All your points have been answered and addressed to - mikel on Jul 12, 5:22 AM
      1. Negative - the ones that have - I have refuted as false - Jason on Jul 12, 4:44 PM
    6. 1 John 5.7-13, the Johannine Comma is a Fabrication which appeared in the Middle Ages. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 13, 6:32 AM
      1. I did not mention 1 John, can you respond to the verses I did quote - Jason on Jul 17, 10:54 PM
        1. Correct - mentioned, one of a hundred - Jason on Jul 17, 11:07 PM
        2. I actually have. The bible explains itself why US? = LORD + Seraphs Isa 6 - Believe the Bible on Jul 27, 11:08 AM
      2. Not a fabrication - do some study - Jason on Jul 17, 11:05 PM
        1. Follow the rabbit hole - Jason on Jul 17, 11:25 PM
          1. TRINITY is NOT IN THE BIBLE. Not in the bible, NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY. - Believe the Bible on Jul 27, 11:09 AM
    7. The Second Person of the Trinity was Crying for Help in - Believe the Bible. on Jul 13, 6:35 AM
      1. Again, did you read or did you not read everything I posted here - Jason on Jul 17, 11:05 PM
        1. Why doesnt believe the bible actually believe, the bible? - Jason on Jul 20, 9:05 PM
        2. Because he BELIEVE in FYM - tumpak on Jul 22, 8:30 PM
          1. FYM is not the topic of this thread. What's wrong with u? Can you not even read now? - Believe the Bible on Jul 29, 10:50 AM
      2. Would God CRY OUT? Answer that Jason with a verse ofcourse. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 24, 7:11 AM
        1. Still no answer from Jason. Why did God the Son cry: My God, My God...you forsaken me. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:26 AM
          1. Your changing the topic, go start your own thread - respond to WHAT I POSTED - Jason on Aug 15, 1:22 PM
    8. God is plural? - Anonymous on Jul 24, 3:51 AM
      1. While it may be hard for you to understand - Jason on Aug 15, 1:27 PM
        1. Re: While it may be hard for you to understand - Anonymous on Aug 16, 5:54 AM
    9. If God is US, why then in John 17:1-3 is there no mention of US? - Believe the Bible. on Jul 24, 7:15 AM
      1. I like this one Mr. Davao! - Jim on Jul 24, 4:26 PM
      2. Jesus mentioned that before the world began, he was with the Father. - Beatrice77 on Jul 24, 10:30 PM
        1. So how many Gods were there before the world began? - Forum_Observer on Jul 25, 12:50 AM
          1. One God who created both Darkness and Light. Light is a creation of God Gen 1.3 - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:34 AM
            1. Before the world Began. God saw the Light and it was Good. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:36 AM
              1. Inconsequential answer. Light is an inanimate object. - Beatrice77 on Jul 26, 8:33 PM
                1. Is that what the bible says about Light? Beattrice the Slanderer [1 Sam 15.3-18]? - Believe the Bible on Jul 27, 10:28 AM
          2. There is only ONE GOD. Unlike humans who have one material being = one person. - Beatrice77 on Jul 26, 8:29 PM
            1. You still did not answer the question head on. No bible verses qouted. - Believe the Bible on Jul 27, 10:57 AM
              1. Why didn't Jesus say US in John 17:1-3?? - Believe the Bible on Jul 27, 10:58 AM
                1. Dont change the topic nor the verse - I never quoted John 17:3 - Jason on Jul 29, 6:02 PM
                  1. You never qouted John 17.1-3, because YOU CANT. to prove your so called US/ELOHIM. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 31, 8:01 AM
        2. Before the World began, God said 'Let there be Light'. Jesus is that Light. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:32 AM
        3. You did not answer the question Slanderer. Why did Jesus say .you..true..God John 17.1-3 - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:38 AM
          1. When did Jesus say "Only the Father is the only true God"? - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 1:59 PM
      3. Jason is very silent. I dunno why. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 25, 1:27 AM
        1. Work is killing me - Jason on Jul 29, 6:00 PM
          1. Read, the entire threads. INteresesting excuse. - Believe the Bible on Aug 1, 7:40 AM
        2. I did not quote John 17:3, please do not ask new questions when you have not - Jason on Aug 15, 1:31 PM
      4. When did Jesus say: "Only the Father is the only true God."? - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Sep 21, 2:01 PM
    10. BTB - Did you actually read all of the verses I quoted, all of them??? - Jason on Jul 29, 6:05 PM
      1. Once a verse is qouted. Jesus replied. IT IS ALSO WRITTEN. - Believe the Bible on Aug 1, 7:42 AM
        1. To BTB: Why? Are you the Lord? Are you God? - tumpak on Aug 7, 2:39 AM
          1. I Only qoute the Word of God in the BIBLE. Why are you so crossed? - Believe the Bible on Aug 8, 2:07 AM
            1. Yes, you quote the word of Jesus, our God. - tumpak on Aug 11, 1:50 AM
            2. The devil got the hint who Jesus was. - Beatrice77 on Aug 11, 4:35 PM
          2. isn't this what Jesus did? Why are you so angry? You qouted no verses. so ur reply is Void - Believe the Bible on Aug 8, 2:09 AM
            1. Because "the Father is in me and I in him." - Beatrice77 on Aug 11, 4:37 PM
              1. If you are saved, the Father is also in you, and you're in - Tomas on Aug 15, 2:06 AM
                1. You are dreaming Tomas. Salvation is a process. You are not saved. - Beatrice77 on Aug 15, 5:43 PM
                  1. First we are saved, then we have to persevere to the end. - Tomas on Aug 20, 3:58 AM
                    1. You mean, if we confess our sins and repent, we are FORGIVEN, not saved. - Beatrice77 on Aug 31, 7:26 AM
                      1. No, when we believe and repent, we are both saved and forgiven. - Tomas on Sep 3, 6:50 AM
        2. Your response does not make any sense - did you read the verses I quoted, yes or no - Jason on Aug 13, 7:24 PM
    11. When I show this to INC ministers, do you know what their reaction is? - Jason on Aug 15, 1:30 PM
      1. You are full of c**p ! - Jim on Aug 16, 12:02 PM
        1. LOL - Jason on Aug 22, 9:48 PM
          1. Jason, do you believe Jesus is human all the time? - Tomas on Aug 29, 2:27 AM
            1. I do not agree - but I do not understand the following - Jason on Sep 10, 7:42 PM
              1. Why do you say Jesus will return in his flesh? - Tomas on Sep 12, 1:17 AM
    12. ""The Name of Jesus actually means God was physically with us"" - truthfinder on Aug 22, 2:09 AM
      1. You mean Immanuel (God with us). You acknowledge Jesus is God is with us? - Beatrice77 on Aug 31, 7:33 AM
        1. All the fullness of the godhead dwells in Jesus, so in that sense - Tomas on Sep 3, 6:12 AM
        2. It proves that Jesus is God with a human body. - Beatrice77 on Sep 4, 2:59 PM
          1. If John 14:9 proved incarnation, it would prove modalism. - Tomas on Sep 4, 9:35 PM
          2. I tried to simplify it for you but you jump to "modalism." - Beatrice77 on Sep 6, 5:56 AM
            1. Your Athanasian creed has many errors. - Tomas on Sep 10, 6:31 AM
            2. Tomas insults the Holy Spirit. Jesus never taught "sola scriptura." - Beatrice77 on Sep 22, 10:20 AM
              1. I love the Holy Spirit, but it now guides us through the Bible. - Tomas on Sep 24, 3:03 AM
                1. You are unbiblical Tomas. Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Bible supports the Church. - Beatrice77 on Sep 24, 7:21 PM
                  1. Sure they support the Church. But the Church is pillar - Tomas on Sep 26, 2:06 AM
                    1. Tomas, there are divine laws and there are church laws. - Beatrice77 on Sep 26, 6:11 AM
                      1. Divine laws are the laws in the Bible and when the Bible was finished, - Tomas on Oct 1, 4:09 AM
                      2. Tomas, Paul teaches that women should be veiled. That's divine law? - Beatrice77 on Oct 6, 4:59 AM
                      3. You misunderstand Paul. - Tomas on Oct 8, 7:01 AM
                      4. Another errorneous teaching of Tomas. - Beatrice77 on Oct 7, 2:58 AM
                      5. Paul liked if others would stay unmarried, but then they could not - Tomas on Oct 8, 7:12 AM
                      6. No Tomas, you are wrong. Paul wanted women to cover their head. - Beatrice77 on Oct 12, 7:27 PM
                      7. No, verse 6 has to be understood based on verse 15. - Tomas on Oct 15, 3:59 AM
                      8. Do you have reference that Corinthian women were cutting the top of their - Beatrice77 on Oct 16, 12:55 AM
                      9. It is quite clear from the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 17, 4:44 AM
                      10. Tomas, I am afraid you are far removed from reality. - Beatrice77 on Oct 17, 2:07 PM
                      11. This is not about modern Corinthian women. - Tomas on Oct 29, 7:02 PM
                      12. Tomas your digression is proving you wrong. This is about everything in the bible as - Beatrice77 on Nov 1, 3:57 AM
                      13. Your example of food offered to idols is wrong too. - Tomas on Nov 5, 1:04 PM
      2. A Word from God - All scripture is God Spoken - Jason on Sep 10, 7:45 PM
    13. Jason, Jason, Jason, how often must I teach you... - Theo Book on Nov 6, 7:02 AM
      1. And I have irrefutebly corrected and refuted you - Jason on Nov 20, 8:27 PM
        1. As always TB - your in great denial - Jason on Nov 20, 8:32 PM
     
  4. "I and the father are one": what did he mean by that? View Thread - kulafu on Nov 10, 8:12 PM
    1. We are not the Creator. That is a false gospel. - Tomas on Nov 12, 3:57 PM
      1. Tom, if you deny Jesus is God, you are not saved - Jason on Nov 18, 12:00 AM
        1. You're changing the topic. But don't you agree that the web site above - Tomas on Nov 19, 2:52 AM
          1. Kafoofoo is crazy, I never read his links, he is lost - Jason on Nov 20, 8:24 PM
     
  5. ---> Mga Kapatid, Pinagpahinga na po ng Ama si Ka Erdie <--- View Thread - L2S_SPSS on Aug 31, 7:26 PM
    1. Condolence - WinSurfer, RCC on Sep 1, 8:52 PM
    2. Headline: Head of Iglesia ni Cristo Dies. Not Jesus. - Beatrice77 on Sep 3, 1:25 AM
      1. Jesus too died. And was resurrected. And surely Erano too - Tomas on Sep 3, 5:41 AM
        1. Erano is not Jesus. Erano changed Felix Manalo's Trinitarian teaching to Arian. - Beatrice77 on Sep 3, 6:39 PM
          1. Most Trinitarian and most Arian preachers are preaching the true gospel. - Tomas on Sep 4, 10:42 PM
          2. Tomas, the fulness of the true gospel comes only from the Catholic Church. - Beatrice77 on Sep 5, 3:11 AM
            1. I Agree ... Tomas Is A False Prophet - WinSurfer on Sep 7, 11:14 PM
              1. I am not a prophet, there are no prophets of God today. - Tomas on Sep 10, 3:00 AM
            2. Beatrice, Jesus gave the commission to all Christians, including FYM, - Tomas on Sep 10, 2:36 AM
              1. Bad interpretation Tomas. To whom did Jesus give the keys to the kingdom on earth? - Beatrice77 on Sep 17, 3:21 AM
                1. To Peter only, not to Linus or Benedict or anyone else. - Tomas on Sep 17, 4:18 AM
                  1. Where does it say Jesus took back the keys? - Beatrice77 on Sep 22, 6:24 AM
                    1. Jesus gave the keys only to Peter. - Tomas on Sep 24, 7:07 AM
                      1. If Jesus gave the keys only to Peter, (and not his successors too), then Jesus intended - Beatrice77 on Sep 26, 5:43 AM
                      2. No, Jesus built the church on Peter, not on his successors in any office. - Tomas on Oct 1, 2:27 AM
                      3. You Are Wrong Tomas - WinSurfer, RCC on Oct 2, 4:56 PM
                      4. God used not only the RCC but also other denominations - Tomas on Oct 3, 4:18 AM
                2. peter was fired from his job as "pope." - Theo Book on Nov 20, 9:22 AM
    3. May Erano rest in peace. I hope and think that he died a Christian. - Tomas on Sep 3, 5:46 AM
      1. He still need to repent when resurrected for not recognizing Christ - cyrus2009 on Sep 6, 2:41 AM
        1. Rev. 21:7 is clearly about God. Nothing there says - Tomas on Sep 10, 3:08 AM
      2. There is no second chance. After death, judgment. Heb 9:27. - Beatrice77 on Sep 6, 6:09 AM
        1. For those not able to know the gospel will be resurrected - cyrus2009 on Sep 8, 5:27 PM
          1. That is correct. That is what the millennium is for. - Tomas on Sep 10, 3:16 AM
            1. Just to clarify your agreement - cyrus2009 on Sep 16, 6:27 AM
              1. I'm familiar with this interpretation from the Armstrongist churches, but - Tomas on Sep 17, 4:40 AM
                1. you can disagree, but the scriptures reveal that ---- - cyrus2009 on Sep 18, 5:36 AM
                  1. You misunderstand me, I did not say the judgement is one hour. - Tomas on Sep 19, 5:55 AM
                    1. aGAIN, THE RST OF THE DEAD WILL NOT YET BE RESURRECTED - cyrus2009 on Sep 22, 4:48 AM
                      1. Again, when Rev. 20:4 says the rest of the dead did not come - Tomas on Sep 24, 7:14 AM
                      2. You are inserting something in the book of Revelation. - cyrus2009 on Sep 30, 5:49 AM
                      3. I'm not adding to the book of Revelation, just explaining it. - Tomas on Oct 1, 2:35 AM
                      4. Adding is not the same as explaining------- - cyrus2009 on Oct 3, 5:10 AM
                      5. Life in the Bible sometimes means 'eternal life', - Tomas on Oct 3, 5:23 AM
                      6. You miss the purpose of the first resurrection;;; - cyrus2009 on Oct 5, 4:38 AM
                      7. Yes, the 1st resurrection is those already saved, but the second - Tomas on Oct 8, 8:14 AM
                      8. The verse does not say the time takes place only once - cyrus2009 on Oct 9, 6:33 PM
                      9. My point is the timing of the 2 resurrections. - Tomas on Oct 10, 3:09 AM
                      10. It does say 1 hour apart...John 5 : 28 - cyrus2009 on Oct 12, 2:18 AM
                      11. One hour. Those who translate the word hora as time, - Tomas on Oct 15, 4:36 AM
                      12. Again time is relative. - cyrus2009 on Nov 11, 5:17 AM
                      13. Months apart? Where do you see in the Bible months? - Tomas on Nov 12, 3:32 PM
                      14. Please do not misunderstand - cyrus2009 on Nov 12, 4:01 PM
                      15. I know my belief on this does not correspond with Catholics or INC. - Tomas on Nov 12, 4:54 PM
                      16. Just for more clarifications. - cyrus2009 on Nov 13, 5:56 PM
                      17. I agree with you a lot, here is where I disagree. - Tomas on Nov 14, 12:09 PM
                      18. Watch for the story flow of Rev. 20: 4 - 11 - cyrus2009 on Nov 14, 7:11 PM
                      19. The dead in verse 12 are those who were spiritually dead - Tomas on Nov 19, 4:36 AM
                      20. Again, you made the wrong assumption - cyrus2009 on Nov 20, 3:59 AM
        2. Beatrice, the judgement of Heb. 9:27 will last 1000 years. - Tomas on Sep 10, 3:39 AM
          1. After the millenium will be a period of judgment - cyrus2009 on Sep 18, 7:56 AM
            1. After the millennium there will be no more suffering or death, - Tomas on Sep 19, 6:12 AM
              1. We need to have a clear understsanding of the plan of God - cyrus2009 on Sep 22, 4:39 AM
                1. Yes, we should have an understanding, but I don't blame - Tomas on Sep 24, 7:19 AM
                  1. I don't blame you either. - cyrus2009 on Sep 30, 5:56 AM
                    1. OK, I am not dogmatic about it, but as I wrote above, - Tomas on Oct 1, 2:40 AM
                      1. Check what you believed... - cyrus2009 on Oct 5, 4:43 AM
                      2. There is only one day of Judgement, that is the millennium. - Tomas on Oct 8, 8:21 AM
                      3. As I said, judgment is a process... - cyrus2009 on Oct 9, 5:56 AM
                      4. Yes, it's a process, but the same process for both groups of unbelievers. - Tomas on Oct 10, 3:27 AM
                      5. I just told you to read Rev. 20 and 21 carefully - cyrus2009 on Oct 10, 5:29 AM
                      6. I do read it carefully. - Tomas on Oct 15, 4:52 AM
                      7. The Millenial rule is also a period of judgment - cyrus2009 on Oct 27, 3:36 AM
                      8. The millennial rule is the period of judgement for all unbelievers. - Tomas on Oct 29, 7:15 PM
                      9. you are limiting the abilities of the rule of the Saints under the Lord Jesus Christ - cyrus2009 on Oct 31, 9:17 PM
                      10. Sure some will become mature and saved just years - Tomas on Nov 5, 1:29 PM
                      11. You are limiting the power of the kingdom of God.. - cyrus2009 on Nov 6, 2:26 AM
                      12. You are ignoring Is. 65:20. - Tomas on Nov 7, 7:25 AM
                      13. The reign of God and the saints is not what you described - cyrus2009 on Nov 11, 5:10 AM
                      14. We will possess godly powers? - Tomas on Nov 12, 3:48 PM
                      15. Again, you want to limit the power of God... - cyrus2009 on Nov 12, 4:13 PM
                      16. As we know, we will not be limited by time or space? - Tomas on Nov 13, 4:43 AM
                      17. Just an explanation of what it means.. - cyrus2009 on Nov 13, 5:33 PM
                      18. We cannot know how fast we will be able to travel. - Tomas on Nov 14, 2:16 PM
                      19. What God prepared for His chosen are not worth comparing to what our minds can conceive. - cyrus2009 on Nov 14, 7:28 PM
                      20. We cannot know, maybe heaven is just thousands of miles - Tomas on Nov 19, 4:40 AM
                      21. Before you make any assumption, you need a background of astronomy - cyrus2009 on Nov 20, 4:07 AM
     
  6. The Catholic church seems to be nearing our belief on Halloween. View Thread - Tomas on Nov 5, 1:56 PM
    1. You mean they are nearing on your disbelief in Halloween? - Coffeeman on Nov 15, 5:55 AM
      1. My rejection of Halloween. - Tomas on Nov 19, 4:12 AM
    2. The Catholic Church had always rejected Halloween. - I am Bot on Nov 20, 6:18 AM
     
  7. Tomas, since you believe everything in the bible is divine law, then you keep the Sabbath View Thread - Beatrice77 on Nov 13, 3:45 PM
    1. Some divine laws are permanent, others were temporary. - Tomas on Nov 14, 3:36 PM
    2. Tomas, how long have you been studying the bible? NT about 2,000 year? OT about 6,000 - Beatrice77 on Nov 15, 11:44 AM
      1. Maybe longer than you, since 1969. How about you? - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:09 AM
        1. So you just did self study of the Bible and consider yourself an authority? - Beatrice77 on Nov 19, 8:03 PM
    3. Are you saying the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy temporary? - Beatrice77 on Nov 17, 3:22 AM
      1. Yes, temporary. - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:16 AM
    4. As you say "...the Bible says not go to beyond what is written." - Beatrice77 on Nov 17, 3:11 PM
      1. There is no ban on founding new denominations in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:31 AM
    5. If as you say there is no church laws, only divine laws, is there a bishop who has been - Beatrice77 on Nov 17, 3:14 PM
      1. If a church teaches the error of unmarried bishops or without - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:34 AM
    6. Can you cite instances where women shave off their head before praying? - Beatrice77 on Nov 17, 3:16 PM
      1. In ancient Corinth. - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:36 AM
     
  8. Attention everybody. I Tom am calling myself now Tomas, View Thread - Tomas on Mar 5, 2:54 AM
    1. Welcome "Now Thomas" - Theo Book on Nov 2, 4:55 AM
      1. Come on, "now" is not part of my name. - Tomas on Nov 5, 12:41 PM
        1. Just a little fun. - Theo Book on Nov 6, 2:48 AM
          1. OK, we can have some fun. - Tomas on Nov 7, 6:56 AM
            1. You mean like this one, right down the page? - Theo Book on Nov 8, 7:00 AM
              1. Yes, it's pretty good, I hope Jason answers. Though how - Tomas on Nov 13, 5:25 AM
                1. I am so obtuse... - Theo Book on Nov 14, 7:14 AM
                  1. Yes, it is not a plural name, but what I have demonstrated is - Tomas on Nov 14, 10:23 AM
                    1. Agreed! - Theo Book on Nov 15, 1:39 PM
                      1. Yes, but if they are not convinced before death, - Tomas on Nov 19, 4:07 AM
                      2. Second chance after death? - Theo Book on Nov 19, 4:56 AM
     
  9. Farewells to Erdy, B-day greetings to Eddie... View Thread - discoverer on Nov 2, 7:11 PM
    1. INC gives plenty of attention to Jesus every worship service. - Tomas on Nov 5, 12:38 PM
      1. I agree, INC gives plenty of attention to Jesus in the worship service - Coffeeman on Nov 7, 1:45 AM
        1. It's not true they don't say who Jesus is. - Tomas on Nov 7, 4:28 AM
      2. Jesus is just the oneway door of the church built by carpenter Felix Manalo - Coffeeman on Nov 8, 3:49 AM
        1. No, INC believes he is a two-way door. - Tomas on Nov 13, 5:35 AM
          1. Re: if you are in and are dissatisfied, you can exit. - Coffeeman on Nov 15, 5:26 AM
            1. Pasture? Where did you find that quote? n/t - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:37 AM
      3. Obviously you missed the point - discoverer on Nov 8, 7:32 PM
        1. They don't remember Jesus's death? - Tomas on Nov 13, 5:47 AM
          1. Nope, they don't. - discoverer on Nov 14, 12:44 AM
            1. You're wrong, INC has even more reverence and devotion to Jesus - Tomas on Nov 14, 10:42 AM
              1. Tomas, you're blind - discoverer on Nov 14, 3:30 PM
                1. OK, if they reserve a seat for the executive minister, - Tomas on Nov 14, 3:49 PM
                  1. Oh, so it's "OK" with Tomas to practice idolatry! - discoverer on Nov 15, 11:30 AM
                    1. Idolatry is a sin. If some INC member treats this chair as - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:42 AM
                2. Shouldn't the INC have two empty seats reserved for two late executive ministers? - Beatrice77 on Nov 16, 3:40 AM
                  1. There are two distinct classes of membership in the INK... - discoverer on Nov 16, 9:24 AM
                    1. You're right, this is one of INC errors. All churches have errors, - Tomas on Nov 19, 3:45 AM
     
  10. "The Global Spiritual Awakening of Humanity" View Thread - kulafu on Nov 14, 7:33 PM
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