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  1. THE HARMONY IN THE BIBLE - for all friends of Arian like Tomas, Emmanuel, INCqusitor, etc. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 7:38 AM
    1. Another Trinitarian fanatic makes a fool of himself. - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 4:30 AM
      1. I never said the Father is not God. So, yes, you misunderstood. John told us that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 22, 8:29 AM
        1. Jesus said God was his Father (John 5:17).. - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 4:56 PM
          1. You are adding to the scriptures! That's a no no! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 22, 9:13 PM
            1. The Jews sought to kill Jesus for 2 reasons: - INCquisitor on Jul 23, 7:02 PM
          2. Yes, and by that, John categorically states that He was making himself equal with God. - Michael on Jul 23, 12:01 AM
            1. I'm with you all the way, like all true Christians are But I believe you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2:33 PM
        2. "The Father is greater than I." Of course, the Father is greater than Jesus in His human- - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 23, 8:01 AM
          1. I hope, INCquisitor will understand this and will be healed from his many errors. Thanks, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2:40 PM
     
  2. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 7:37 AM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:44 PM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 7:03 PM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:58 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 6:48 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:36 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 7:26 PM
     
  3. The Son of Man ascended to heaven, to where He was before. What does this tell you? View Thread - Michael on Jul 8, 12:24 AM
    1. John 6:62 is a parable like the parables written from - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:55 AM
      1. John 6:62 , a parable? - Michael on Jul 8, 12:52 PM
        1. Of course John 6:62 is a parable. - INCquisitor on Jul 10, 5:46 PM
          1. Of course it's not. There is nothing parabolic in this statement of Jesus. - Michael on Jul 10, 11:07 PM
            1. Is there a verse that says where Jesus was before literally? - INCquistor on Jul 13, 7:08 PM
              1. You have not properly responded to my post INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 13, 8:29 PM
              2. There are many verses in the Bible in which Jesus said: "The Father has sent me." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 7:06 AM
                1. John wrote that he was sent from God (John 1:6). - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:37 PM
                  1. No, because he didn't exist before all things were created, like Jesus. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 10:13 AM
                    1. Jesus was talking metaphorically. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:41 PM
                      1. Yeah right......metaphorically. In your dreams...metaphorically speaking. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:57 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus was in heaven before, probably in his preexistence, - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:20 PM
      1. Certainly, the Son was in heaven before He came down to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jul 13, 2:06 AM
        1. Please show scripture that says "the son was in heaven before - INCquistor on Jul 13, 7:12 PM
          1. John 6:38 - Michael on Jul 13, 8:37 PM
            1. John 6:38 does not make Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:24 PM
              1. You asked for scripture. Do you deny the verse I cited [John 6:38]? - Michael on Jul 18, 11:28 PM
                1. Christ's coming from heaven does not mean he WAS God. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 5:57 PM
                  1. The undeniable truth is that Christ came from heaven. He came from God. - Michael on Jul 19, 7:53 PM
                    1. Don't you understand what the words "only" and "true" mean? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:56 PM
                      1. In that case, you read scriptures as a list of isolated statements. No context whatsoever. - Michael on Jul 20, 9:03 PM
          2. John 17:5 Jesus enjoyed glory with His Father even before the world began. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 8:51 PM
            1. Exactly. If someone shares something with you, you have to exist. Nobody can share - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 7:12 AM
              1. Tell me wise guy, what was Jesus before the world began? - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:33 PM
                1. God. He is the Word. [John 1:1, Rev. 19:13] - Michael on Jul 18, 10:51 PM
                  1. Does John 1:1 tell us that Jesus is the word? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:28 PM
                    1. INCquisitor, you still can't see who John testifies about in his writings? - Michael on Jul 20, 7:11 PM
                2. He was the Archangel, or God the Son, or both, or neither. - Tomas on Jul 18, 10:56 PM
                3. The Word, you wise guy. It became flesh = baby boy. Now, with whom shared God the glory - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 9:52 AM
                  1. Show me scripture that says Jesus WAS the word that became flesh. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:44 PM
                    1. Who else became flesh? Nobody? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:53 PM
          3. UP FOR FCCC INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 18, 12:34 AM
        2. Michael, tell me when did Jesus ascend to heaven before John 3:13. - Tomas on Jul 18, 10:41 PM
          1. Tomas, Jesus was referring to the immediate time when He descended & become flesh. - Michael on Jul 18, 11:00 PM
            1. But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:27 PM
          2. Let me answer this again Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 7:30 AM
     
  4. Scriptures that testify of the deity of Christ. John 5:18 View Thread - Michael on Jul 7, 12:57 PM
    1. Compare John 5:18 with John 10:29 and John 14:28. - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:27 PM
      1. INCquisitor, John 5:18 is a statement of truth, not some conclusion by John, who wrote it. - Michael on Jul 8, 12:00 AM
        1. Whose "statement of truth" is John 5:18? Yours, the Jews or John? - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:40 AM
          1. If you don't know it yet, it is John who wrote and testified in John 5:18 - Michael on Jul 8, 12:47 PM
            1. Tell me, how did John know what the Jews were thinking? - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 5:35 PM
              1. Do you really ask that? How did John knew what he wrote, except that - Michael on Jul 8, 11:17 PM
                1. The Holy Spirit inspired John to write what the Jews were thinking. - INCquisitor on Jul 9, 4:33 AM
                  1. The HS inspired John to write in Jn 5:18, why the Jews sought all the more to kill Jesus. - Michael on Jul 9, 4:29 PM
              2. LOL, "how did the John know what the Jews were thinking?" THAT question can only be asked - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 16, 3:43 PM
                1. Exactly my point Guenter. You got it. - Michael on Jul 16, 10:16 PM
                  1. Of course, anybody in good command of the English and other languages will understand it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:18 AM
                2. It is NOT true that Jesus made himself equal with God. - INCquisitor on Jul 17, 5:24 PM
                  1. You need to work on your language skills and knowledge of Judaic Law! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:58 PM
                    1. My language skills are fine and I do not need Judaic law. I'm not a Jew. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 6:20 PM
                      1. Here ya go my friend, you do not need to know...YES, you DO need to know because Judaic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 11:49 AM
                      2. The Jews sought to kill Jesus because they THOUGHT,... - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2:50 PM
                      3. My last response to you, dear friend. If you don't get it, you'll never get the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:28 PM
              3. Here, let me try to help you out INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 20, 10:04 PM
    2. Tomas, TF, care to comment? - Michael on Jul 9, 4:32 PM
      1. Yes, the hostile Jews thought that when Christ called God his - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:23 PM
        1. Perhaps you can point that out in John 5. And I say that is your assumption, not the Jews. - Michael on Jul 12, 2:00 PM
          1. Just because he stated he works on the Sabbath, by - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:13 PM
            1. Tomas, study carefully John 5:18. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:18 AM
        2. Tom, you are as language impaired as INCquisitor. For more details see my response to him. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 16, 3:50 PM
          1. No, all in John 5:18 was the thinking of the hostile Jews. - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:25 PM
            1. You're calling John a liar. According to Judaic Law, Jesus, if he were a mere man, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 9:46 AM
              1. John is not telling us that Jesus is equal with God. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:14 PM
                1. You're repeating yourself. See my "very last response". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:31 PM
        3. It's what you say Tomas, not the apostle John said and wrote. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:20 AM
     
  5. Links on simple questions that INCquisitor and the INCer can't and fails to answer. View Thread - Michael on Jul 22, 5:50 AM
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  7. "According to the flesh", what does this expression mean? View Thread - Michael on Jul 10, 2:47 AM
    1. INCquisitor, Tomas, TruthFinder? - Michael on Jul 11, 1:04 AM
    2. In Acts 2:30 and Rom. 1:3, it means that Christ is the biological - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:10 PM
      1. Yes Tomas, it means, in relation to or concerning humanity and human nature. - Michael on Jul 12, 3:55 PM
        1. I suppose Paul wrote in Rom. 1:3 'according to the flesh', - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:36 AM
          1. You're right. Is there anything else you suppose that means? - Michael on Jul 20, 1:16 AM
          2. Here's more Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 5:32 AM
    3. Please cite specific verse so we can "compare" with other scriptures. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 5:30 PM
      1. Is there really need for that to know what the expression "according to the flesh" mean? - Michael on Jul 13, 1:38 AM
    4. INCquisitor, can't you not also answer the simple question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 22, 5:42 AM
     
  8. God (Deity) is the only one uncreated. View Thread - Michael on Jun 29, 2:27 AM
    1. Care to comment INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 29, 10:18 PM
      1. Whatever answer one may give to your question, the TRUTH - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 4:55 PM
        1. And what are your answer to the questions INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 30, 9:51 PM
        2. The truth INCQUISITOR is that you evade & reject the TRUTH that the questions brings out. - Michael on Jul 2, 8:28 PM
          1. Apostle Paul warned about people like you, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 6:07 AM
            1. If your understanding of scriptures is right, you will be able to answer the questions. - Michael on Jul 4, 11:39 AM
              1. You may fool some people all of the time but you cannot... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:23 PM
                1. Your response sure proves nothing written at the OP. And yes, that is to say you are truly - Michael on Jul 4, 9:14 PM
                  1. I'm simply heedin apostle Paul's warning, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 6:42 PM
                    1. Heeding Paul's warning does not mean you turn your back on the truth. - Michael on Jul 6, 1:50 AM
                      1. As I said, your "philosophical" questions are designed to - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 6:46 AM
                      2. There is nothing philosophical in my questions INCQUISITOR. - Michael on Jul 6, 9:38 AM
                      3. Michael, you cannot intelligently argue with language impaired people like INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 3:04 PM
                      4. Your post seems to tell the source of such thinking and attitude GUENTER - Michael on Jul 21, 8:00 PM
                      5. What do your questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 4:47 PM
                      6. Truth about God, what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 8:03 PM
                      7. What TRUTHS will these questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 4:48 PM
                      8. Truth about God, INCquisitor. You can answer those if you know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 8:16 PM
                      9. What truth about God are you talking about? - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 3:44 AM
                      10. Make a thread for your issues INCquisitor, and not mess this thread. - Michael on Jul 22, 4:05 AM
                      11. What I posted are TRUTHS about God that CANNOT - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 4:36 AM
                      12. But that is just not what this thread is about. Make another one if you will. - Michael on Jul 22, 5:40 AM
    2. Care to comment INCer? - Michael on Jun 29, 10:21 PM
    3. INCer TF, care to comment on the OP? - Michael on Jul 2, 11:17 PM
    4. Michael, Melchizedek is uncreated. Now he might be God, - Tomas on Jul 5, 1:55 AM
      1. That's what you understand scripture is saying to you. - Michael on Jul 5, 2:57 PM
        1. That's right. So my answers below. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:34 PM
          1. Re: That's right. So my answers below. - Michael on Jul 11, 11:03 PM
            1. OK, my answers about God here. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:03 AM
              1. Re: OK, my answers about God here. - Michael on Jul 21, 5:17 AM
    5. Apparently INCers dont know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 22, 2:41 AM
     
  9. The Philippine Arena View Thread - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 11:47 AM
    1. The Catholic Church probably spends most of their money for educating and feeding the poor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:00 PM
      1. JEALOUS or ENVY? - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:11 PM
        1. Sir, I have visited the Philippines 16 times plus I lived there for 11 months. I attended - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:24 PM
          1. The Catholic Church in the Philippines is involved in education at all levels. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:30 PM
            1. You are really funny! - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:41 PM
              1. Send me something in English or answer my questions. I know probably more about the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:53 PM
        2. The Catholic Church in the Philippines is involved in education at all levels - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:32 PM
          1. You are really funny! - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:42 PM
        3. Church, Charities Prove Crucial in Philippines Recovery. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:52 PM
        4. In a word, I'd say, what I see in this post is, PRIDE. - Michael on Jul 22, 2:52 AM
    2. This is what pride leads one to say, TrueorFalse. - Michael on Jul 22, 3:43 AM
    3. What will the Philippine Arena do for INC members - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 3:51 AM
      1. Why do you ask? Was the arena made for the INCer and the Filipinos? - Michael on Jul 22, 3:58 AM
      2. So they can hold international beauty pageants and watch pretty girls in bikini. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 22, 4:00 AM
     
  10. Ask yourself. View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 8:38 PM
    1. My answers: - Tomas on Jun 21, 8:17 AM
      1. Re: My answers: - Michael on Jul 2, 5:01 AM
        1. Re: My answers: - tf on Jul 2, 10:46 PM
          1. Go back to the post and answer properly. There are four questions, in case you don't know. - Michael on Jul 2, 11:15 PM
            1. I higlighted those two so far - tf on Jul 3, 1:23 AM
              1. Elucidate? Answer each questions, and I'll be most willing to comment after. - Michael on Jul 3, 11:28 AM
        2. Michael, I disagree mainly concerning your answer - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:20 AM
          1. How about the rest of my answers Tomas? - Michael on Jul 5, 2:38 PM
            1. In verse 15, the name he was referring to, - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:01 PM
              1. 'I AM has sent me to you.' - Michael on Jul 11, 9:55 PM
                1. OK, when God said "I WILL BE has sent me to you", - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:28 AM
                  1. God's answer is plain, direct, and clear. No need to explain by speculation. - Michael on Jul 22, 3:57 AM
            2. Concerning your other 3 answers, I generally agree with you. - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:07 PM
              1. I'm glad you do. - Michael on Jul 11, 10:15 PM
                1. That last sentence of yours makes no sense. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:34 AM
                  1. Makes no sense to you Tomas, I see. - Michael on Jul 20, 10:24 PM
                    1. You're right, Michael, Tomas doesn't understand Trinity. If he would, he would have never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 7:48 AM
     
  11. What's the difference between an adopted son and begotten Son of God? View Thread - Michael on Jun 30, 11:25 AM
    1. The begotten son has authority over adopted sons - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 4:52 PM
      1. You missed the question altogether INCQUISITOR. Try again. - Michael on Jun 30, 9:59 PM
        1. Because that's not the response you want to hear. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 4:29 AM
          1. Re: Because that's not the response you want to hear. - Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. on Jul 1, 6:40 PM
          2. INCQUISITOR don't know the difference between a begotten and an adopted son? No wonder. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:37 PM
    2. IncQ, this will help you answer intelligently. Can you beget a dog? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:13 PM
      1. Colonel Blood-Dish, a little credit my way for presenting your Example would be nice. LOL - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 1, 4:32 PM
      2. There is no doubt that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 6:25 PM
      3. IncQ cannot answer if he can beget a dog. IncQ cannot answer this. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 8:28 AM
        1. I can't beget a dog, but God can, if he wants to. - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:28 AM
          1. Seriously? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:01 PM
            1. Did God promise never to beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:09 PM
              1. Again, seriously? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:46 PM
                1. Yes, do you have a verse that God will never beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:37 AM
                  1. None. Apparently you seriously believe that God can beget a dog. Really weird. - Michael on Jul 20, 6:53 AM
      4. Jesus tells me he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 8:52 AM
        1. So, INCquisitor, you admit you don't know what it means to a begotten & be an adopted. - Michael on Jul 20, 9:30 PM
    3. How about you Tomas, what is your answer to the OP? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:55 PM
      1. The begotten Son of God was biologically begotten by God - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:14 PM
        1. Jesus, biologically begotten by God? How was that? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:50 PM
          1. I guess God put in Mary some sperm of his, to fertilize - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:43 AM
            1. God's sperm? Certainly weird! God has sperm? WOW. What weird thoughts you got there. - Michael on Jul 20, 7:44 AM
     
 
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