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  1. According to John 10:18, Jesus has the POWER to take his life back again. View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
    1. Jesus had that power even if he was totally dead, body, soul and spirit. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:10 PM
      1. That's what can be understood in John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 1:24 AM
        1. I did not mean to suggest Elisha's bones had that power without God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 1:06 AM
          1. But you did mean that the bones resurrected the dead man. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
            1. To you it sounds like foolishness, but don't underestimate the abilities of God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:18 PM
              1. And who underestimate God? Not me. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 6:48 PM
                1. Don't misunderstand me, don't twist my words. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                  1. Did I twist your words Tomas? Not so. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 6:44 AM
                    1. OK, so you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'so'. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      1. Is that so Tomas? - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 3:51 PM
                      2. OK, let's drop the 'so' and discuss more interesting stuff. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:07 PM
                      3. Tomas: my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 1:46 AM
                      4. My answers to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:55 AM
                      5. Tomas: my comments. - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 9:42 AM
      2. Tomas, now you also don't understand Rev. 3:14. That adds to your ignorance regarding - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:46 PM
        1. So give me your interpretation of Rev. 3:14, so we can - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Many have tried to explain the verse to you already. Why would I think you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:50 PM
            1. OK, you think neither of us can persuade the other. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:06 PM
                1. Well, tell Jesus he is an idiot for believing some are gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:28 PM
                  1. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
                    1. Of course those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
                      1. You're admitting again to be an anti-trinitarian. May God help you. I'm through with you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:58 AM
    2. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit does die. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:31 PM
    3. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit DOESN'T DIE. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
      1. You say if God died, the whole world will collapse into oblivion. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:44 PM
        1. As usual, friend Tomas doesn't understand the world, the Bible and the teachings of all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:52 PM
    4. That's right INCquisitor. All you need is to believe in it. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. show me the verse that says Jesus EXERCISED such power. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 AM
        1. Still asking? Well then, you'll never see it. So, ok trash John 10:18 as you have. - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
      2. Jesus referred to the Father as the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. And INCquisitor says "I trash the words of Jesus in John 10:18". - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:48 AM
        2. The Father is the Only True God as opposed to many idols - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 10, 2014, 7:32 PM
          1. idols or not he is the only true God the Father - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:14 AM
            1. John 17:3 is INC's bread and butter error verse. It does NOT say "only you, Father, are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 4:59 PM
     
  2. Jesus proclaimed Himself "Alpha and Omega." I will be their God and they shall be my View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 8, 2014, 5:03 AM
    1. So each can be called Alpha and Omega in some sense. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:50 PM
      1. A comment : Alpha and THE OMEGA. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:19 AM
        1. So Jesus is the Alpha in some sense, while the Father - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
          1. Of course that is how you wanted it. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:41 PM
            1. No, for example, Jesus is the way to the Father, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:15 PM
              1. You seemed to have missed the point of the questions Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:47 PM
                1. Well, you can't interpret the words too literally, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:53 PM
                  1. Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 5:43 AM
                    1. I actually now suspect that alpha and omega is not about time. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:14 AM
                      1. Another speculation now Tomas? Not yet tired of speculating? - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 7:02 AM
          2. Tomas, is Jesus just one among the many Christ then? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:42 PM
            1. No, in that case the Christ means the one unique Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:18 PM
              1. So, "the Christ" denotes "no other Christ", right? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 4:26 PM
                1. In this case, yes, the only true Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:05 PM
                  1. That's right, even when scriptures does not speak of Christ as the "only" true Christ. - Michael on Nov 12, 2014, 7:00 PM
      2. Here comes the "Jesus was created" fantasy again! A child called mighty God was prophesied - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:23 AM
        1. That long name in Isaiah was not titles for Jesus. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
    2. One God and One Lord. Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord is our God. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
    3. The one who sat on the throne (Rev. 21:5) - not Jesus spoke Rev. 21:6. - INCquisitor on Oct 21, 2014, 5:24 PM
     
  3. "Form of God". Can you tell? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 3:58 AM
    1. Up for those who can tell. Those who can't need not answer the questions herein. - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:04 AM
      1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in a form of God. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:54 AM
        1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in the form of God. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 7:31 PM
          1. a form - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:17 AM
            1. Form of God. Scriptures speaks not of "Forms". - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 4:15 AM
              1. A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:38 PM
                1. Re: A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 10:24 AM
                  1. michael's faith is based on "imply" - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:02 AM
                    1. really? where can I read that he said that? I want to see it, show me? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 6:38 AM
                  2. Michael, my answers about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
                    1. Tomas, my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 4:39 PM
                      1. Michael, my comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:58 PM
        2. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. The truth is: 1. The Greek language - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
          1. True, English can sometimes also have a noun with no article. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:18 PM
            1. You're missing the point. YOU: no definite article in Greek needs to be translated with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 2:44 PM
              1. In John 1:1 the definite translation, the God, is grammatically plausible, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:28 PM
                1. You not correct twofold: Greek grammar also relies on context. If the context does not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:47 PM
                  1. Of course the context can be important. But there is nothing in the context - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:28 PM
                    1. Having one God plus a god, making it two, is not out of context? A monotheistic religion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:59 PM
                      1. Nothing in that context calls for not having gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:10 PM
                      2. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:48 PM
                      3. No, he did not call them false gods, but gods. q - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:47 PM
                      4. Those "gods" in Psalm 82:6 were already humans, born to two human parents and appointed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 6:21 PM
    2. what is your point... - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 10:03 PM
      1. TF, if you don't know, that is understandable. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:29 PM
        1. open your cards.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:20 PM
    3. God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - tf on Nov 16, 2014, 5:14 PM
      1. Re: God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - Karlos on Nov 16, 2014, 10:18 PM
        1. why don't you try to measure it yourself - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 1:56 AM
          1. so you cannot answer my question? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 4:53 AM
            1. so tf, why so afraid to comment on 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Nov 21, 2014, 5:53 AM
              1. Not afraid Karlos. TF just can't see such a bright light as 1 Peter 1:11. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:43 PM
                1. I'm afraid that is the case! But I'm still optimistic that one day they will see the light - Karlos on Nov 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
                  1. Well, seeing is one thing. But believing is another. - Michael on Nov 24, 2014, 4:30 AM
      2. That's right TF. God is spirit and to be visible can put on the physical. - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:12 PM
        1. that is wrong even when Jesus is on earth he declared that God is spirit unlike him - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:19 AM
          1. What is wrong TF in my post TF? Point it out. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:32 AM
          2. Jesus is not also spirit? Ah yeah, the INC Bible doesn't have "and the Word became flesh." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 26, 2014, 8:12 AM
            1. Seems INC even don't know what a man is. They speak of things they don't really know of. - Michael on Nov 26, 2014, 2:16 PM
            2. Guenter, the Bibles INC have do say "and the Word became flesh - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
              1. Gosh, Tomas, I know all that crap. Therefore, they don't have it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 11:39 AM
                1. They have it, they just interpret it differently from Christians who believe in - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:12 PM
                  1. Not a gospel doctrine? Only in your sick mind. Anti-trinitarians like you and INC are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:31 PM
                    1. Why do you like to insult so much, like sick mind, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:50 PM
                      1. Not only I but also Michael and others gave you plenty of verses in many years past. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:05 PM
                      2. So I have been discussing the verses, but you are all stubborn, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      3. Why would I say "The Word was God: is wrong when it is not? YOU are the amateur Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      4. Grammatically, either translation would be correct. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:29 PM
                      5. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. Besides, Jesus is called God in other verses - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:36 PM
                      6. Like what other verse? I haven't seen one whose meaning - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:11 PM
                      7. I'm sorry, that's way too much to justify all your grave errors. I will not read it and I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:35 PM
                      8. No, sorry, what I said is if you found such a verse, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:43 PM
                      9. Sorry to hear that you're still rejecting the many true verses in the Bible I gave you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:41 PM
                      10. Sorry to disappoint you, I would like to make you happy, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:37 PM
                      11. It's not interpretation, it's TRANSLATION you are dead wrong on. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      12. Well, sorry, you Greek expert. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      13. I don't rely on my expertise as you so proudly do. You must have missed what I told you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:27 PM
                      14. Well, he was convinced the NT teaches trinity, because - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
                      15. Fine, Tomas, EVERY Greek language scholar who disagrees with your amateurish expertise - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:13 AM
     
  4. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 2014, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 7:37 AM
            1. God saves us through Jesus, in the church. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:57 AM
              1. God is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 11:26 AM
                1. Of course. But he saves us in the church. - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:13 PM
                  1. You keep saying "in the church". I think it sends a wrong message. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:25 AM
                    1. When we are saved, we are added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:09 AM
                      1. That's right. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:44 PM
      3. How to find the true church - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 7:03 PM
        1. The Claim of the RCC being founded - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:38 AM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 2014, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 2014, 3:58 AM
                1. By their fruits... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 2014, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 2014, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 6:48 PM
                    1. FCCC..1st century Chuch... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 AM
                      1. Now don't be so harsh on him. Maybe the New Testament was finished being written - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
                      2. The NT did not exist in one volume... - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      3. OK, maybe no Christian near the end of the first century had ` - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:19 AM
                    2. FCCC...is this the name of the early Church? - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:35 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 2014, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 6:36 AM
                  1. I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:08 AM
                    1. Re: I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Michael on Jul 28, 2014, 4:17 PM
                      1. True what you say. And I did not really mean we are saved - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      2. The church was not established as necessary for our salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:15 AM
                      3. It sure is necessary for our salvation, we can't be saved outside it. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:42 AM
                      4. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:43 PM
                      5. OK, we are not saved only by being added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:33 AM
                      6. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      8. Re: But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Michael on Sep 1, 2014, 12:46 AM
                      9. As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
                      10. Re: As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:35 AM
                      12. Re: OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 11:47 AM
                      13. At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 2:20 PM
                      14. Re: At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 12:48 AM
                      15. God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:49 AM
                      16. Re: God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 7:11 AM
                      17. Why would you think that us added to the church is not one of the saving - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:52 PM
                      18. Tomas, try to understand what I say about being added to the church. - Michael on Dec 15, 2014, 7:46 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 2014, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 7:26 PM
      1. Don't know the answer INCquisitor? What do you tell those who are members of FCCC? - Michael on Aug 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
     
  5. Tomas, I am responding to two comments of yours that do not show up when I click on the View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 8:41 AM
    1. Funny, by that analysis the trinity has one Father and at the same time 2 Fathers. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 3:03 AM
      1. 2 Fathers? I already told you, you're stupid, didn't I? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:17 AM
     
  6. Son of Man: Why do the apostles almost never refer to Jesus by that title? View Thread - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 12:27 PM
    1. your problem is - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:02 AM
      1. TF, I have no problem. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:32 PM
        1. you are one of the world's problem - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:21 PM
          1. He seems to be a good Christian, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
    2. Michael, you are making just an assumption, that the apostles - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:30 AM
      1. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 6:24 AM
      2. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 11:35 AM
        1. It is a mystery. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:45 AM
          1. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:09 AM
          2. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:10 AM
            1. Your revelation is so speculative. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:46 PM
              1. Not so Tomas. That's analysis. Analysis is not speculation, MAYBE's are. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 10:04 AM
                1. LOL, Michael, that was a good one. Tomas, the king of Maybe. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 10:11 PM
                2. But your analysis is based on ideas not mentioned in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
                  1. Is that how you see it? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 2:58 PM
                    1. Sure, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:28 PM
                      1. Apparently so Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 8:29 PM
                      2. Your belief of what is the gospel, is not based on Bible verses. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 11:55 PM
                      3. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:24 PM
                      4. Guenter, what? I don't reject anything in the book of Revelation. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:14 AM
                      5. You don't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ as it is revealed in the book of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:39 PM
                      6. Rev. 22:19 does not say we have to be able to understand every verse - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      7. NO! Your easy way out will not work. You don't believe in Revelation. Revelation is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:18 PM
                      8. I believe in Revelation. Just because neither you nor me - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:53 AM
                      9. It may not be important to you, but it is important to God. God is not the God of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 PM
                      10. God is not the source of confusion, but we can confuse ourselves - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. Tomas, you are the king of confusion. Starting with "The Word was a god." Going to "G - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 3:15 PM
                      12. God has not revealed to us plenty of other things important to him, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:37 PM
                      13. Well, you continue your self destruction. I will not follow you but will warn all people - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:48 PM
                      14. Well, so far I don't think I have persuaded anyone of any doctrine, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:24 PM
                      15. God protects them from your extremely false teachings. Praise the Lord! While many of the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 8:13 PM
                      16. What? I did not call any of you complete idiots, no way. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:56 PM
                      17. They didn't change their mind -- so they must be idiots, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      18. No way, many brilliant people are also stubborn. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      19. The opposite is true:Intelligent people change their minds because they are intelligent - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:10 PM
                      20. Some intelligent people change their minds. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
                      21. You just made my point. Fading brainpower, like in the old Einstein, and by the way also - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:08 AM
                      22. Certainly it is Tomas. The gospel is not a list of requirements for one to follow. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 6:41 PM
                      23. No, the gospel is the good news contained in the required doctrines. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:57 PM
                      24. Good news contained in the required doctrines? - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 12:09 AM
                      25. Yes, each required doctrine has some good news for us. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:49 AM
                      26. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:26 PM
                      27. See my answer above, you posted this in two places. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:58 PM
                      28. OK - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:49 PM
    3. What you are saying is mere speculation. Thus, I also speculate that... - INCquisitor on Nov 2, 2014, 5:48 AM
      1. What does "Son of Man" mean to INCquisitor? - Michael on Nov 2, 2014, 1:24 PM
        1. It simply means that Jesus is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 5:57 PM
          1. Therefore, Son of God means Jesus is God! You got it perfectly correct, INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:25 PM
            1. No. Son of God doesn't mean Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Nov 4, 2014, 3:42 AM
              1. We sure believe that. I already told you your grave error the way you interpret John 17:3 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:40 AM
                1. Tell me what your interpretation of John 17:3 is. - INCquisitor on Nov 7, 2014, 6:31 PM
                  1. John 17:3 says that the Father, of course, is the only true God. But you read into it that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 1, 2014, 3:01 PM
          2. There is your understanding of scriptures. - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:16 AM
          3. A man like what WE are now at this moment, a mortal human? - Karlos on Nov 4, 2014, 4:54 AM
            1. So incquisitor, are you going to answer me or not? - Karlos on Nov 6, 2014, 7:06 AM
              1. I think you don't know or are you afraid to answer it! - Karlos on Nov 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
     
  7. Sorry, Michael and Guenter, that I did not get to answer all your posts to me. View Thread - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:41 PM
    1. I was hoping in your long absence you finally became a true believer. Your first - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:54 PM
      1. Sorry that you think I am not a true believer. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:00 PM
        1. I -- and others -- have tried for seven or eight years to make you see the light. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:14 PM
          1. Well, I too keep trying to persuade you on some issues. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:24 PM
            1. Yes, you like to oppose other people. Oppose is your middle name and part of your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:40 PM
              1. I don't want to oppose others. But I don't want to be dishonest either. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:32 PM
                1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:55 PM
                  1. Well, if you think I am stupid, OK if it pleases to think so. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:24 PM
                    1. Maybe Jesus should have ssen a therapist too when He called the Pharisess fools for the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:54 AM
                    2. Maybe Jesus should have ssen a therapist too when He called the Pharisess fools for the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:54 AM
     
  8. TF, what does John 6:62 tell you? What did FYM tell you about this verse? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 2:13 AM
    1. UP for TF. If you don't know, would you like to ask your ministers? - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:07 AM
      1. hmm..don't take it literally my friend.. - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:01 AM
        1. I didn't ask for your advice or opinion TF. It's about scriptures. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:49 PM
          1. where is the verse that says.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:19 PM
            1. No verse says PEOPLE saw him descending from heaven, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Tomas, I thought Jesus was born dead and not spirit? LOL But I admire your confession - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
                1. If he was created dead, he was created anyway before the foundation - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:20 AM
                  1. Well, Tomas, even considering it a possibility, as you did, that Jesus was created dead, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:45 AM
                    1. I am not infallible, and neither are you. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:13 AM
                      1. The sad thing with you is, that you're coming up with fantasies of yours. Not only about a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:52 AM
                      2. I believe in the Bible as it is written, I have maybes mainly where - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      3. If you believe in the Bible, why do you come up with fantasies like Jesus was created? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:31 AM
                      4. Because I see it in the Bible. Sorry that you can't. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:28 AM
                      5. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:51 AM
    2. Later, the apostles literally saw the Son of man ascending to where He was before (heaven) - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. elijah was also ascended to the clouds.is he God also - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
        1. Even while you are not authorized by INC to comment, let me respond to your comment - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 4:41 AM
          1. where it is shown that jesus literally exist in heave as a person before? - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:20 AM
            1. The Son of man is a person, or is he not? And the Son of man is Jesus, or is he not? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:48 AM
            2. and who is that "Spirit of Christ" in 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Oct 22, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. guenter guenter - tf on Oct 22, 2014, 10:14 PM
                1. Re: guenter guenter - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 1:12 AM
                  1. who is jumping versrs,what verse? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:20 AM
                    1. ngeeeee, are ok? - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 4:09 AM
                2. You're utterly confused. "guenter, guenter" when you're responding to Karlos. Tsk. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:38 PM
        2. Hhhhhmmmmmm.... Elijah was in heaven before?....HHmmmmmmm.. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:08 PM
          1. the issue here is about the visible ascension.. - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. Your question was if Elijah is also God. And I answered that. Now you're diverting to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:23 PM
            2. What? The issue is Christ ascending to where He was before, not Elijah's. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:12 AM
            3. tf is hiding, and afraid of the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:12 PM
    3. Whatever John 6:62 tells you, Jesus tells me that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and.... - INCquisitor on Oct 24, 2014, 4:37 AM
      1. I know what John 8:40 and John 17:3 tells you. Perhaps John 6:62 tells you nothing - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 8:05 AM
        1. INCquisitor keeps refusing to understand the Bible so he can remain in his errors that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:41 PM
     
  9. For Tomas only: Verses that speaks of Christ's Deity. View Thread - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 3:51 AM
    1. the Logos was divine - tf on Aug 22, 2014, 3:31 AM
      1. Finally TF had a voice again. The Logos was divine. So? - Michael on Aug 22, 2014, 2:34 PM
        1. it was not me who admitted this truth - tf on Aug 25, 2014, 4:05 AM
          1. So TF, what now? - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
            1. so what now?? - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 3:53 AM
              1. Tell us what you and INC say and not what others say. That's what. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:55 PM
                1. stop crying... - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
                  1. How can theos mean divine as adjective? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:02 AM
                    1. Re: How can theos mean divine as adjective? - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:17 PM
                      1. I am surprised those two Greek grammarians did not know - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
                      2. This is not the first example in which INC falls for (or better: takes advantage of) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:09 PM
                      3. According to Tomas "a god" appears in many verses of the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 4, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      4. Well, sometimes in Greek there is just no definite article - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:37 AM
                      5. Cause of disharmony in the Bible: "a god" Why would I waste any more time with you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:49 AM
                  2. Stand up on your own feet TF. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:51 AM
    2. Why "For Tomas only?" - INCquisitor on Aug 25, 2014, 6:22 PM
      1. This was coming from one of our discussion in another thread. - Michael on Aug 25, 2014, 9:49 PM
      2. Herr Incquisitor, you are a New Yorker. Are you pals with this male New Yorker? - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Aug 26, 2014, 6:43 PM
        1. Welcome to this forum. Is Pellien now in New York? - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:56 AM
    3. Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:11 AM
      1. So verse John 1:1 is best translated "... and the Word was a god". - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:18 AM
        1. No, I am not JW, even though I started my Bible study with them. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
      2. Re: Michael, here is my response concerning those verses. - Michael on Sep 9, 2014, 12:39 AM
        1. About the Word, and the word. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:52 AM
          1. Re: About the Word, and the word. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 7:55 AM
            1. About a god, the Word of life. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 11:22 AM
              1. Re: About a god, the Word of life. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 4:42 AM
                1. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:25 PM
                  1. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:10 AM
                  2. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 8:31 AM
                    1. Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:03 PM
                      1. Re: Further examination of 1 John 1:1-2. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:22 PM
                      2. More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:57 PM
                      3. Re: More examination of 1 John 1:1-2, and also Psalm 82. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:32 PM
                      4. Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 8:11 PM
                      5. Re: Oh, man, you have strong opinions about so many things. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      6. Seems to me you keep jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. Seems to me Tomas, that's all you can seem to say. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 7:40 AM
     
  10. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
     
 
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