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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. THE HARMONY IN THE BIBLE - for all friends of Arian like Tomas, Emmanuel, INCqusitor, etc. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 7:38 AM
    1. Another Trinitarian fanatic makes a fool of himself. - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 4:30 AM
      1. I never said the Father is not God. So, yes, you misunderstood. John told us that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 22, 8:29 AM
        1. Jesus said God was his Father (John 5:17).. - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 4:56 PM
          1. You are adding to the scriptures! That's a no no! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 22, 9:13 PM
            1. The Jews sought to kill Jesus for 2 reasons: - INCquisitor on Jul 23, 7:02 PM
              1. That's right INCquisitor. But that is not the issue there. - Michael on Jul 24, 1:48 AM
                1. The Jews were not interested in knowing the reason.... - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 5:39 PM
                  1. INCquisitor, you are so much into what Jews said. Perhaps you must switch to Jesus. - Michael on Jul 26, 11:59 PM
          2. Yes, and by that, John categorically states that He was making himself equal with God. - Michael on Jul 23, 12:01 AM
            1. I'm with you all the way, like all true Christians are But I believe you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2:33 PM
            2. The Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy for makng himself God. - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 8:05 PM
              1. INCQUISITOR, everybody knows that. Focus on what Jesus told them. - Michael on Jul 27, 1:00 AM
                1. Re: INCQUISITOR, everybody knows that. Focus on what Jesus told them. - INCquisitor on Jul 27, 7:49 AM
                  1. Still have the INC mentality INCquisitor? - Michael on Jul 27, 2:09 PM
                    1. INC mentality? The INC doen't have the mind of Christ. I have. - INCquisitor on Jul 27, 7:48 PM
                      1. Which Christ? The father or the son - Karlos on Jul 27, 9:50 PM
                      2. INCquisitor, what you have is the mind still of an INCer, not Christ. - Michael on Jul 27, 10:52 PM
        2. "The Father is greater than I." Of course, the Father is greater than Jesus in His human- - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 23, 8:01 AM
          1. I hope, INCquisitor will understand this and will be healed from his many errors. Thanks, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2:40 PM
          2. If the Father and Jesus were BOTH God....... - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 8:10 PM
          3. INCQ, God is Perfect Pure Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 27, 5:39 PM
            1. You may be right Dean, BUT, what you are saying is FALSE. - INCquisitor on Jul 27, 6:03 PM
    2. Guenter, I have told you on another thread, that John - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:54 AM
     
  2. 100 years ago this day FYM founded INC.... View Thread - Albert on Jul 26, 10:22 PM
    1. He ordained himself. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 27, 10:25 AM
    2. Eduardo Manalo admits publicly worldwide that a Filipino founded the INC - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 27, 12:21 PM
     
  3. The Philippine Arena View Thread - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 11:47 AM
    1. The Catholic Church probably spends most of their money for educating and feeding the poor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:00 PM
      1. JEALOUS or ENVY? - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:11 PM
        1. Sir, I have visited the Philippines 16 times plus I lived there for 11 months. I attended - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:24 PM
          1. The Catholic Church in the Philippines is involved in education at all levels. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:30 PM
            1. You are really funny! - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:41 PM
              1. Send me something in English or answer my questions. I know probably more about the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:53 PM
            2. Re: The Catholic Church in the Philippines is involved in education at all levels. - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 25, 3:57 PM
              1. I don't really know them. But if INC would only spend 10% of what the true Christian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 11:55 AM
        2. The Catholic Church in the Philippines is involved in education at all levels - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:32 PM
          1. You are really funny! - TrueOrFalse on Jul 21, 12:42 PM
        3. Church, Charities Prove Crucial in Philippines Recovery. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 12:52 PM
        4. In a word, I'd say, what I see in this post is, PRIDE. - Michael on Jul 22, 2:52 AM
    2. This is what pride leads one to say, TrueorFalse. - Michael on Jul 22, 3:43 AM
    3. What will the Philippine Arena do for INC members - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 3:51 AM
      1. Why do you ask? Was the arena made for the INCer and the Filipinos? - Michael on Jul 22, 3:58 AM
        1. I meant to ask trueorfalse this question. Sorry. - INCquisitor on Jul 25, 4:51 PM
      2. So they can hold international beauty pageants and watch pretty girls in bikini. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 22, 4:00 AM
        1. The Catholic Church spent the money of the poor for a bombastic Basilica in Rom, like the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 25, 7:06 AM
        2. How much money was taken from the German poor? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 26, 6:04 PM
     
  4. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 7:37 AM
            1. God saves us through Jesus, in the church. - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:57 AM
              1. God is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Jul 26, 11:26 AM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:44 PM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 7:03 PM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:58 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 6:48 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:36 AM
                  1. I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Tomas on Jul 26, 2:08 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 7:26 PM
     
  5. Ask yourself. View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 8:38 PM
    1. My answers: - Tomas on Jun 21, 8:17 AM
      1. Re: My answers: - Michael on Jul 2, 5:01 AM
        1. Re: My answers: - tf on Jul 2, 10:46 PM
          1. Go back to the post and answer properly. There are four questions, in case you don't know. - Michael on Jul 2, 11:15 PM
            1. I higlighted those two so far - tf on Jul 3, 1:23 AM
              1. Elucidate? Answer each questions, and I'll be most willing to comment after. - Michael on Jul 3, 11:28 AM
        2. Michael, I disagree mainly concerning your answer - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:20 AM
          1. How about the rest of my answers Tomas? - Michael on Jul 5, 2:38 PM
            1. In verse 15, the name he was referring to, - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:01 PM
              1. 'I AM has sent me to you.' - Michael on Jul 11, 9:55 PM
                1. OK, when God said "I WILL BE has sent me to you", - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:28 AM
                  1. God's answer is plain, direct, and clear. No need to explain by speculation. - Michael on Jul 22, 3:57 AM
                    1. It has to be explained to make the Bible harmonize. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2:58 AM
                      1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 11:15 AM
            2. Concerning your other 3 answers, I generally agree with you. - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:07 PM
              1. I'm glad you do. - Michael on Jul 11, 10:15 PM
                1. That last sentence of yours makes no sense. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:34 AM
                  1. Makes no sense to you Tomas, I see. - Michael on Jul 20, 10:24 PM
                    1. You're right, Michael, Tomas doesn't understand Trinity. If he would, he would have never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 7:48 AM
                      1. I understand a huge amount about trinity, I have read - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:16 AM
                      2. Good that we can agree on something. Now do the next logical step and believe in it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:38 AM
                    2. OK, Michael, you have explained what you really meant. - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:07 AM
                      1. There is no room for possibilities or uncertainties when it comes to having faith. - Michael on Jul 26, 8:35 AM
                      2. Oh yes, there is. When the devil is reigning over you, there is! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:40 AM
     
  6. What's the difference between an adopted son and begotten Son of God? View Thread - Michael on Jun 30, 11:25 AM
    1. The begotten son has authority over adopted sons - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 4:52 PM
      1. You missed the question altogether INCQUISITOR. Try again. - Michael on Jun 30, 9:59 PM
        1. Because that's not the response you want to hear. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 4:29 AM
          1. Re: Because that's not the response you want to hear. - Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. on Jul 1, 6:40 PM
          2. INCQUISITOR don't know the difference between a begotten and an adopted son? No wonder. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:37 PM
    2. IncQ, this will help you answer intelligently. Can you beget a dog? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:13 PM
      1. Colonel Blood-Dish, a little credit my way for presenting your Example would be nice. LOL - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 1, 4:32 PM
      2. There is no doubt that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 6:25 PM
      3. IncQ cannot answer if he can beget a dog. IncQ cannot answer this. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 8:28 AM
        1. I can't beget a dog, but God can, if he wants to. - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:28 AM
          1. Seriously? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:01 PM
            1. Did God promise never to beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:09 PM
              1. Again, seriously? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:46 PM
                1. Yes, do you have a verse that God will never beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:37 AM
                  1. None. Apparently you seriously believe that God can beget a dog. Really weird. - Michael on Jul 20, 6:53 AM
                    1. You claim that what is begotten of God, necessarily has the same nature - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:20 AM
                      1. Yes, I do Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 10:57 AM
      4. Jesus tells me he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 8:52 AM
        1. So, INCquisitor, you admit you don't know what it means to a begotten & be an adopted. - Michael on Jul 20, 9:30 PM
    3. How about you Tomas, what is your answer to the OP? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:55 PM
      1. The begotten Son of God was biologically begotten by God - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:14 PM
        1. Jesus, biologically begotten by God? How was that? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:50 PM
          1. I guess God put in Mary some sperm of his, to fertilize - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:43 AM
            1. God's sperm? Certainly weird! God has sperm? WOW. What weird thoughts you got there. - Michael on Jul 20, 7:44 AM
              1. So maybe not a sperm, but you have to acknowledge - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:33 AM
     
  7. Scriptures that testify of the deity of Christ. John 5:18 View Thread - Michael on Jul 7, 12:57 PM
    1. Compare John 5:18 with John 10:29 and John 14:28. - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:27 PM
      1. INCquisitor, John 5:18 is a statement of truth, not some conclusion by John, who wrote it. - Michael on Jul 8, 12:00 AM
        1. Whose "statement of truth" is John 5:18? Yours, the Jews or John? - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:40 AM
          1. If you don't know it yet, it is John who wrote and testified in John 5:18 - Michael on Jul 8, 12:47 PM
            1. Tell me, how did John know what the Jews were thinking? - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 5:35 PM
              1. Do you really ask that? How did John knew what he wrote, except that - Michael on Jul 8, 11:17 PM
                1. The Holy Spirit inspired John to write what the Jews were thinking. - INCquisitor on Jul 9, 4:33 AM
                  1. The HS inspired John to write in Jn 5:18, why the Jews sought all the more to kill Jesus. - Michael on Jul 9, 4:29 PM
                    1. Apparently, INCquisitor is stalled by this post. - Michael on Jul 24, 1:33 AM
              2. LOL, "how did the John know what the Jews were thinking?" THAT question can only be asked - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 16, 3:43 PM
                1. Exactly my point Guenter. You got it. - Michael on Jul 16, 10:16 PM
                  1. Of course, anybody in good command of the English and other languages will understand it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:18 AM
                2. It is NOT true that Jesus made himself equal with God. - INCquisitor on Jul 17, 5:24 PM
                  1. You need to work on your language skills and knowledge of Judaic Law! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:58 PM
                    1. My language skills are fine and I do not need Judaic law. I'm not a Jew. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 6:20 PM
                      1. Here ya go my friend, you do not need to know...YES, you DO need to know because Judaic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 11:49 AM
                      2. The Jews sought to kill Jesus because they THOUGHT,... - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2:50 PM
                      3. My last response to you, dear friend. If you don't get it, you'll never get the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:28 PM
                      4. The WISDOM of God is truly HIDDEN from the perishing! - INCquisitor on Jul 25, 5:43 PM
                      5. I agree INCquisitor, that the wisdom of God is hidden from those perishing. - Michael on Jul 26, 1:55 AM
              3. Here, let me try to help you out INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 20, 10:04 PM
                1. Apparently, INCquisitor again is stalled b y this post. - Michael on Jul 24, 1:34 AM
    2. Tomas, TF, care to comment? - Michael on Jul 9, 4:32 PM
      1. Yes, the hostile Jews thought that when Christ called God his - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:23 PM
        1. Perhaps you can point that out in John 5. And I say that is your assumption, not the Jews. - Michael on Jul 12, 2:00 PM
          1. Just because he stated he works on the Sabbath, by - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:13 PM
            1. Tomas, study carefully John 5:18. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:18 AM
              1. John says the hostile Jews gave reasons for wanting to kill Jesus. - Tomas on Jul 26, 12:39 AM
                1. Tomas you really need to study John 5:18, and also what Sabbath is. - Michael on Jul 26, 4:19 AM
                  1. To break a law is to sin. - Tomas on Jul 26, 4:30 AM
                    1. I agree. But I did not say that Jesus have broken the Law, did I? - Michael on Jul 26, 6:36 AM
        2. Tom, you are as language impaired as INCquisitor. For more details see my response to him. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 16, 3:50 PM
          1. No, all in John 5:18 was the thinking of the hostile Jews. - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:25 PM
            1. You're calling John a liar. According to Judaic Law, Jesus, if he were a mere man, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 9:46 AM
              1. John is not telling us that Jesus is equal with God. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:14 PM
                1. You're repeating yourself. See my "very last response". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:31 PM
                2. So INCquisitor, you're saying that John lied. - Michael on Jul 24, 10:52 AM
                  1. As I just told Guenter, John did not lie but reported truthfully - Tomas on Jul 26, 12:55 AM
                    1. John did not report, rather he stated a situation and the reason thereof. - Michael on Jul 26, 4:31 AM
                      1. Michael, I totally agree with you. You're not language impaired like Tomas and Incquisitor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:52 AM
                      2. :) - Michael on Jul 26, 10:38 AM
                    2. Tomas, Jesus clearly broke the Sabbath according to Judaic Law as a mere human being. THAT - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:48 AM
              2. No, Guenter, I am not calling John a liar. John truthfully - Tomas on Jul 26, 12:52 AM
                1. Tomas, Tomas! How many Jews broke the Sabbath in those times? None but Jesus? And any time - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 10:11 AM
        3. It's what you say Tomas, not the apostle John said and wrote. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:20 AM
          1. Do you think Jesus really broke the Sabbath? - Tomas on Jul 26, 12:59 AM
            1. Tomas, not that it is what I think, but it is what John tells us. But, - Michael on Jul 26, 4:39 AM
     
  8. Who was John speaking about in 1 John 3:5, who was manifested to take away sin? View Thread - Michael on Jul 10, 6:29 AM
    1. INCquisitor, Tomas, TruthFinder? - Michael on Jul 11, 1:03 AM
    2. It is not the 'whoever' of verse 4, a new subject was introduced - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:18 PM
      1. Didn't quite get what you are saying there about 'whoever' - Michael on Jul 13, 1:49 AM
        1. The grammatical subject in 1 John 3:4 is 'whoever'. - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:30 AM
          1. Oh. Ok. - Michael on Jul 20, 12:48 AM
            1. Yes, in ASV the subject in verse 4 is "every one that doeth...". - Tomas on Jul 26, 4:20 AM
              1. Re: Yes, in ASV the subject in verse 4 is "every one that doeth...". - Michael on Jul 26, 8:19 AM
    3. why he has no sin?is it because he is God? - tf on Jul 19, 3:05 AM
      1. That is not the question TF. Pls take a hold of your comprehension. - Michael on Jul 19, 8:08 PM
        1. im stating a fact on the issue of sin - tf on Jul 26, 10:17 AM
          1. Well TF, perhaps you can state that elsewhere, and stick to the topic at the OP. - Michael on Jul 26, 10:35 AM
    4. What do you want to hear Michael? - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 5:31 AM
      1. Your answer INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 19, 8:06 PM
     
  9. INCQUISITOR, TF, TOMAS, Paul speaks of the mystery of God. View Thread - Michael on Jul 3, 9:17 PM
    1. "Beware lest anyone cheats you through.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 5:55 AM
      1. So INCQUISITOR, what is the mystery of God Paul is saying in Colossians 2? - Michael on Jul 4, 12:03 PM
        1. Tell me what you think so I can have something to refute. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:20 PM
          1. Do you not know QUITOR? Read Col. 2, or even the whole epistle of Paul to the Colossians. - Michael on Jul 4, 10:03 PM
            1. Tell us your understanding of Col. 2:9 so we know where you stand. - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 6:28 PM
              1. Does this mean you don't know the MYSTERY of GOD Paul speaks about in Col. 2? - Michael on Jul 6, 3:06 AM
                1. God does NOT "dwell bodily" in Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 6:03 AM
                  1. Ok. What can I say, if you don't know the Msytery OF God Paul speaks about in Col. 2. - Michael on Jul 6, 9:32 AM
    2. Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Tomas on Jul 5, 1:23 AM
      1. Re: Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Michael on Jul 5, 3:40 PM
        1. The mystery of God, does not mean mystery about God, - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:15 PM
          1. Mystery of God, God's mystery, it's all the same. It concerns and relates to God. - Michael on Jul 11, 8:55 PM
            1. It is His mystery about Christ. - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:18 PM
              1. What is about Christ is what is about God. - Michael on Jul 11, 9:44 PM
                1. Not necessarily. - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:47 AM
                  1. It sure is. - Michael on Jul 24, 3:35 AM
                    1. I suppose with Christ being so special, God hid all his treasures - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:35 AM
                      1. There is no need to suppose as you always do Tomas. Just believe what scriptures say. - Michael on Jul 26, 3:24 AM
                      2. I do believe all the scriptures say. I just don't go beyond that with dogma. - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:48 AM
                      3. Actually Tomas you go beyond what is written & take the unwritten as a basis for - Michael on Jul 26, 10:33 AM
    3. that verse do not apply to the trinitarians - tf on Jul 12, 2:17 AM
      1. What are you talking about? Do you even know what the mystery of God Paul says there? - Michael on Jul 12, 2:31 PM
        1. the sad truth is in the pudding my friend - tf on Jul 12, 10:24 PM
          1. Yes you never said anything about the topic at the OP. - Michael on Jul 13, 12:20 AM
            1. in fact it was the trinity that still remains a mystery - tf on Jul 19, 3:11 AM
              1. Yet still, youl evade the issue at the OP. Do you know the mystery of God spoken by Paul? - Michael on Jul 19, 8:04 PM
            2. tf, we would not know the nature of God until Jesus revealed it. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 6:54 AM
              1. You version of John 1:18 is an ALTERED version. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 9:34 AM
                1. Don't you get it? Don was speaking metaphorically and not literally comparing God with air - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 6:47 PM
                2. I mean, Dean was speaking...sorry, Dean. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 6:49 PM
              2. Sorry Dean, but your analogy and illustration of Trinity is erroneous. - Michael on Jul 24, 3:42 AM
     
  10. Paul says that Christ was rich, yet became poor. How did He became poor? View Thread - Michael on May 16, 10:49 PM
    1. Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Tomas on May 17, 10:22 AM
      1. Re: Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Michael on May 18, 8:02 AM
        1. I agree with what you say there, except I am not so dogmatic - Tomas on May 24, 4:08 AM
          1. It's not about being dogmatic or not. It's about the revealed truth. - Michael on May 25, 7:06 AM
            1. You are dogmatic that it is the revealed truth he did preexist, - Tomas on May 30, 11:47 PM
              1. The truth is He preexisted, even from eternity. - Michael on Jun 15, 9:01 PM
                1. I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Tomas on Jun 21, 7:36 AM
                  1. Re: I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Michael on Jun 22, 9:21 PM
                    1. Do you claim that God, even though he is omnipotent, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2:09 AM
                      1. That is not what it means to be omnipotent. - Michael on Jun 29, 3:04 AM
                      2. That link does not analyze God's omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:03 AM
                      3. Yes, it directly does not. What I said is that, it is a related link. - Michael on Jul 6, 3:26 AM
                      4. OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:52 PM
                      5. Re: OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Michael on Jul 11, 9:39 PM
                      6. Sometimes you disagree even when you really agree. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:57 AM
                      7. Not the case Tomas. - Michael on Jul 20, 6:29 AM
                      8. Well, you are quibbling about semantics, to create a disagreement where I agree. - Tomas on Jul 26, 4:04 AM
                      9. Being clear is always a good thing. I don't create disagreement, when I see none. - Michael on Jul 26, 9:08 AM
     
 
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