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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. The signs of the coming of the Son of man! View Thread - Ricky on Jul 5, 5:36 PM
    1. Discern the signs of the times! - Ricky on Jul 5, 5:48 PM
      1. Anybody here heard about the "crop circles"? - Ricky on Jul 5, 5:55 PM
     
  2. Jesus, a priest in the Order of Melchizedek? So Jesus is equal to, after Melchizedek. View Thread - Believe the Bible. on May 26, 8:31 AM
    1. Not equal, but different. - Tomas on May 28, 3:32 AM
      1. Melchizedek existed forever, while Jesus was created - says Tomas. So Jesus is created. - Believe the Bible. on May 29, 12:41 AM
        1. TOMAS AND TRINITARIANS HELLO THERE? NOT INTERESTED IN THIS? LOL. - Believe the Bible. on May 29, 3:14 AM
        2. Yes, Davaoguy2, Jesus does have a beginning, Melchizedek - Tomas on May 29, 10:16 PM
          1. Tomas is not sure if Jesus was CREATED before the world or what. GUENTER BEATTRICE HELLO. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 5:44 AM
          2. Tomas will wait for Jesus to explain this, he will not Hear those that WERE SENT. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 6:08 AM
            1. In Rejecting the Messengers [Those Sent by Jesus], Tomas has Rejected the Father. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 6:11 AM
              1. I'm not rejecting Christian messengers, I'm one of them. - Tomas on Jun 4, 3:24 AM
                1. Jehoshapat King of Judah, was friends with King Ahab a Baalist. Does the lord Allow that? - Anonymous on Jun 6, 4:54 AM
                  1. Jehoshaphat was before Christ came. - Tomas on Jun 11, 3:47 AM
                    1. So you think the Law in the OT has changed Tomas? Has God's law ever changed? - Believe the Bible. on Jun 24, 6:38 AM
                      1. Jesus and his Doctrine in John 17.1-3 is the way to eternal life and salvation. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 24, 6:42 AM
                      2. John 17:1-3 is part of what we need to know for eternal life. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2:35 AM
                      3. Davaoguy2, do you observe the 7 holidays of Lev. 23? - Tomas on Jun 25, 2:29 AM
                      4. No. I obey Jesus'es commandments Only. Love, Enter, Abide, among others. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:36 PM
                2. You cannot be a True Christian yet love The Roman Pope, the antichrist. - Anonymous on Jun 6, 4:55 AM
                  1. yes. - Believe The Bible on Jun 6, 7:12 AM
                    1. True Christians are supposed to love everybody. - Tomas on Jun 11, 3:51 AM
                      1. You are supposed to have the Enemies of Christian faith Accursed. - Anonymous on Jun 15, 1:50 PM
                      2. Enemies of Christianity are accursed, but we should love them. - Tomas on Jun 18, 9:53 AM
                      3. If Someone encourages you to Leave Christianity, you are to have them accursed. - Anonymous on Jun 19, 8:02 AM
                      4. Yes, have them accursed, but still love them. - Tomas on Jun 19, 10:22 PM
                      5. Not receiving the gospel, they are to be accursed, thats the order coming from Yeshuah. - Anonymous on Jun 22, 6:19 AM
                      6. But I agree totally, they are to be accursed. But they - Tomas on Jun 25, 2:40 AM
                      7. If thine enemy asks for water, you give them water. But not call them Father. - Anonymous on Jun 26, 1:21 AM
                      8. if the enemy isn't your Biological Father/in the flesh. [continuation from above post] - Anonymous on Jun 26, 1:22 AM
                      9. OK, so where do we disagree? I would not call them father. - Tomas on Jun 27, 2:39 AM
                      10. Well done. You are near the Kingdom of God. - Anonymous on Jun 27, 12:13 PM
                      11. I am in the kingdom of God, in the sense of being in the Church. - Tomas on Jul 2, 8:15 AM
                      12. What is your Church? So that I can go in? - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:31 AM
                      13. My Church is the body of Christ, including many denominations. - Tomas on Jul 4, 3:01 AM
                      14. So where is the Church of Corinth? Philippians? Which one of them is here now? Rome! - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:27 PM
                  2. What Roman pope are you talking about? - Beatrice77 on Jun 10, 2:03 AM
                    1. The Pope of the Roman Catholic church, everybody knows what I meant. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 10, 6:14 AM
    2. Aha! TRYING TO SIDESTEP THIS ONE EH? lol. - Believe the Bible. on May 29, 5:05 AM
      1. Sidestepped AGAIN? Hello Trinitarians and Oneness. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 5:41 AM
        1. TRINITARIANS AND ONENESS? COME ON NOW, DONT DISAPPOINT. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 6:06 AM
          1. Believe the Bible. - Believe the Bible. on May 30, 7:33 AM
            1. Beattrice. So If you are of the True Church, explain Melchizedec to me. I'll follow you. - Believe the Bible. on May 31, 2:58 PM
              1. Beattrice. Ask your holy father in rome if he is equal or greater than Melchizedec. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 1, 9:02 AM
                1. This has taken me Aback! Nobody from Jesus is God camp can answer this! - Believe the Bible on Jun 3, 5:18 AM
                  1. Beattrice! Hello there! If you are of the True Church, why avoid this one? - Believe the Bible. on Jun 7, 5:41 AM
    3. Iglesia church has no priesthood and do not share in the order of Melchizedek. - Beatrice77 on Jun 7, 8:49 AM
      1. BEATTRICE IS AVOIDING THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD. - Anonymous on Jun 8, 6:58 AM
      2. Beatrice, all believers are priests. - Tomas on Jun 11, 3:56 AM
        1. beattrice where r u - Anonymous on Jun 12, 3:20 PM
          1. Beattrice is trying very hard to ignore this thread. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 14, 5:09 AM
            1. BEATTRICE IGNORES AGAIN. - Anonymous on Jun 15, 1:47 PM
              1. Beattrice hopelessly ignores! - Believe the Bible on Jun 17, 8:16 AM
                1. BEATTRICE IGNORES AGAIN. - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:41 AM
                  1. Satan aka Beattrice who calls God Heartless in 1 Samuel 15.3-18 ignores. - Anonymous on Jun 22, 6:21 AM
                    1. The Accuser of God Beattrice slithers away like a serpent - Believe the Bible. on Jun 28, 1:36 PM
    4. Davaoguy, please don't invent another doctrine. Stick to the 28 Fundamental Doctrines of - Beatrice77 on Jun 28, 9:49 PM
      1. Your catholic preists are not in the order of Melchizedek for they are Child molesters. - Anonymous on Jun 30, 2:08 PM
      2. Davaoguy, resorting to ad hominems does not make your church true. - Beatrice77 on Jul 1, 2:50 AM
        1. Socrates is a pagan, and so are you, that's why you accuse God obeing Heartless in 1 Sam 3 - Believe the Bible on Jul 1, 11:12 PM
          1. Davaoguy, do you wear a wedding band? If you do, then you are carrying a pagan - Beatrice77 on Jul 2, 6:31 PM
            1. OMG!!! You want me to agree with you that God is heartless?!! No!! - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:32 AM
              1. But God still has MERCY for you Beattrice, u r still alive, go and Worship Him. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:33 AM
                1. and stop this accusations against God, stop calling him Heartless. Please. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:34 AM
                2. and stop this accusations against God, stop calling him Heartless. Please. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:34 AM
            2. What can you expect from this Beats! - Jim on Jul 3, 7:18 PM
              1. No. Beats was calling My God YHWH Heartless in 1 Sam 15.3-18. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 2:46 PM
                1. Okay, this Beats just accuses everything not even sparing the true God. - Jim on Jul 5, 5:50 PM
     
  3. Jimsky, are these your answers to Jesus and Paul? View Thread - Beatrice77 on Jun 24, 8:02 PM
    1. Beatrice, what about your answers to Jesus, Paul, James and God himself? - Tomas on Jun 25, 5:30 AM
      1. Tomas, your fundamental error is that you have become a church unto yourself. - Beatrice77 on Jun 25, 8:16 AM
        1. The true Church is more inclusive than your church. - Tomas on Jun 27, 1:51 AM
          1. Following the logic of your argument, the bishop must have a wife and children too. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 3:10 AM
            1. That's right. So your Benedict is not a valid bishop. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:05 AM
              1. Where does it say that Peter had at least two children? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:20 PM
              2. St. James was bishop of Jerusalem. How many children did he have? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:40 PM
              3. St. James was bishop of Jerusalem. How many children did he have? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:40 PM
              4. Bishop must have children to be qualified? If his wife is infertile, - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 6:16 AM
        2. Tomas, like Felix Manalo, thinks he knows better than Jesus. - Beatrice77 on Jul 2, 4:17 AM
          1. I know that Jesus knows better than FYM, me, or your Benedict. - Tomas on Jul 2, 7:43 AM
            1. Luke 9:49-50 does not authorize anyone to found other churches. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 6:01 AM
              1. On the contrary Paul warns of another gospel. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 6:06 AM
                1. I finally agreed with BEATS! - Jim on Jul 3, 7:55 AM
                  1. Sure, you agree with her that Church is one organization. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:44 AM
                2. Beatrice, other gospels are those that disagree with - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:29 AM
              2. Beatrice, not authorize, but allow. That is enough. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:15 AM
                1. Thanks Tomas for your private interpretation. They are still "other gospels." - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 8:34 AM
          2. The Catholic church tells people to Judge God in 1 Samuel 15.3-18, this Beattrice did. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 3:58 AM
            1. Where did that Catholic Church tell that? Spreading slander again Davaoguy? - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 8:42 AM
              1. Bad tree bears bad fruit Jesus said. That's why you slander God in 1 Sam 15.3-18 - Anonymous on Jul 5, 2:45 PM
    2. Beat you can make up stories, lies and deception against anybody bu the truth prevails! - Jim on Jun 25, 11:35 PM
      1. Beats, can you disproved this horrible report? - Jim on Jul 3, 7:53 PM
    3. Is this the church you are talking about Beat? - Jim on Jun 25, 11:37 PM
      1. Beats, do you have any affidavit to disproved this report? - Jim on Jul 3, 7:52 PM
    4. Beat you are just joking! - Jim on Jun 25, 11:41 PM
    5. Beat where are you? - Jim on Jun 26, 6:42 PM
    6. Beat , yohooooooooo! you missed three days already in this forum? - Jim on Jun 28, 5:39 AM
    7. Beat, do you want a piece of me? I miss you! hellooooooooo! - Jim on Jun 29, 6:35 PM
    8. Jimsky answers: No Jesus, your church has many sinners. So I joined a church founded by a - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 3:22 AM
      1. Is there an Iglesia saint Jimsky? Is it Rosita Trillanes perhaps? - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 3:26 AM
        1. You have condemned that which was Sent in the Name of Jesus, just as u condemned God. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 3:56 AM
          1. Davaoguy, are you saying God sent a rapist to refound his church? - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 5:45 AM
            1. You have branded God heartless in 1 Sam 15.3-18. You condemned tho u didn't see it. - Believe the Gospel on Jul 3, 6:24 AM
        2. False accusation versus the truth! - Jim on Jul 3, 7:49 PM
          1. Why did FYM file charges against Rosita? - tumpak on Jul 5, 8:11 AM
            1. He was not afraid, he was just obeying the law! - Jim on Jul 5, 10:54 AM
              1. Felix Manalo is never called HolyFather. He is imperfect, I can't judge him, I am not God. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:39 PM
                1. Oh I see, this Beats is horrible in her accusation! - Jim on Jul 5, 5:47 PM
        3. Beats can you bet this horrible report about your church? - Jim on Jul 3, 8:03 PM
        4. Jimsky, why isn't Cathy Lynn Grossman joining the church founded by Felix Manalo? - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 8:55 AM
          1. I don't care about her! - Jim on Jul 5, 10:56 AM
          2. Why should I believe in you Beattrice? You accuser of God is 1 Sam 15.3-18? - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:18 PM
     
  4. BELIEVE THE WORD OF GOD View Thread - Jason on Jun 28, 9:36 PM
    1. Or if that is too much for you to tackle - Jason on Jun 28, 9:44 PM
      1. I pity your ignorance! - Jim on Jun 29, 3:52 PM
        1. Blah. Blah! The Bible does not contradict itself. - cyrus2009 on Jun 29, 4:00 PM
          1. Please child read the history of trinity! - Jim on Jun 29, 4:13 PM
            1. You better read the Bible, baby..... - cyrua2009 on Jul 4, 6:26 PM
              1. Cyrus2009 , , baby - cyrua2009 on Jul 4, 6:27 PM
        2. I guess Jim does not believe the Bible nor does he believe in Jesus Christ - Jason on Jun 29, 4:56 PM
          1. If the INC in this forum worships your trinity, then I am not one of them. - Jim on Jun 29, 5:10 PM
    2. Jason, how old are you again? you still believe on fables? You are so pathetic!!!! - Jim on Jun 29, 3:54 PM
      1. Why fail to mention Arius and Sabellius? - cyrus2009 on Jun 29, 4:07 PM
        1. Another pathetic childish trinitarian. - Jim on Jun 29, 4:12 PM
          1. God is plural, baby. - cyrus2009 on Jul 4, 6:30 PM
      2. So what your saying is, you deny and reject the Bible? - Jason on Jun 29, 5:00 PM
        1. I'd rather worship the God of the Israelites! - Jim on Jun 29, 5:06 PM
          1. I'd rather - tumpak on Jun 29, 9:32 PM
            1. lunatic on the loose! - Jim on Jun 30, 3:52 AM
    3. Believe the Bible, are you researching these verses? - Jason on Jun 30, 3:01 PM
      1. BTB - Jason on Jul 5, 5:01 PM
    4. God was with his Seraphs thats why he said US Isaiah 6. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:13 PM
      1. Same old same old - no, angels did not create anything, us an our created, cant be angels - Jason on Jul 5, 4:57 PM
        1. Jason tell me honestly, who among your god is female? - Jim on Jul 5, 5:42 PM
     
  5. The apostate Church worships the works of their own hands! View Thread - Ricky on May 30, 5:58 AM
    1. The Catholic church is faulty, but not apostate! - Tomas on Jun 4, 3:45 AM
      1. So from the early Christians worship in spirit and truth .... - Ricky on Jun 4, 5:48 AM
        1. Rejecting idolatry is not a requirement for salvation. - Tomas on Jun 6, 3:18 AM
          1. Gal 5:19-21 Who was Paul talking to in this chapter? - Anonymous on Jun 8, 8:02 AM
            1. Gal 5:1,13,16,18,19,20,25 - Paul wrote this to the Christians for he said Ye and Us. - Anonymous on Jun 8, 8:07 AM
              1. Thus it is a requirement for a Christian to Reject Idolatry. - Anonymous on Jun 8, 8:08 AM
                1. So you think Paul was listing unforgivable sins? - Tomas on Jun 11, 3:15 AM
                  1. Sinning wilfully after receiving the knowedge of Truth, no more sacrifice left. Hbr 10:26 - Believe the Bible on Jun 17, 7:41 AM
                    1. Ignorant idolatry is not wilful sinning. - Tomas on Jun 18, 10:01 AM
                      1. Once a True Christian , you cannot claim to be ignorant anymore. - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:47 AM
                      2. Everybody is ignorant of some things. - Tomas on Jun 19, 10:31 PM
                      3. Sinning wilfully. You have willed to Sin, and everybody knows what Sin is. - Believe the Bible on Jun 21, 3:53 AM
                      4. That was a wilful sin. But not every sin is a wilful sin. - Tomas on Jun 25, 4:14 AM
                      5. So where are your verses? I want to read them in the Scriptures. - Anonymous on Jun 26, 4:44 AM
                      6. Sure, let me show you in the Scriptures. - Tomas on Jun 27, 2:17 AM
                      7. It does not say in Romans 14 that Christians are allowed to eat blood. - Anonymous on Jun 26, 4:57 AM
                      8. The Apostles True Rules: no idols, blood, strangled things, sexual immorality. - Anonymous on Jun 26, 4:58 AM
                      9. If a church doesn't have these rules, It is NOT the True Church, they remain in their sins - Anonymous on Jun 26, 4:59 AM
                      10. These 4 rules are not necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Jun 27, 2:27 AM
                      11. Not necessary? Lets see what happens if one disobeys. 1 Cr. 5:1- - Anonymous on Jun 27, 8:41 AM
                      12. Oh well. expulsion from Church/Fellowship 1Cr 5.13 - Anonymous on Jun 27, 8:42 AM
                      13. But look at verse 5 of this passage, 1 Cor. 5. - Tomas on Jul 2, 9:04 AM
                      14. Remember what Jesus said. Hear/Read the Gospel, believe, and obey and you will be Saved! - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 3:53 AM
                      15. The verse you quoted, John 15:6, requires abiding in Jesus. - Tomas on Jul 4, 3:33 AM
                      16. So where are your verses again Tomas? I want you to read! - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:24 PM
      2. There is no salvation for the guilty! - Ricky on Jun 4, 5:45 PM
        1. James 2:10 is talking about the Jews. - Tomas on Jun 6, 3:34 AM
          1. The promised forgiveness of sins can be found only in the body of Christ.. - Ricky on Jun 6, 6:45 AM
            1. The body of Christ contains many denominations. - Tomas on Jun 11, 3:21 AM
          2. And the true body of Christ is the church Jesus founded, the Catholic Church. - Beatrice77 on Jun 6, 2:34 PM
            1. False prophets and ravening wolves, their idolatry and damnable heresies! - Ricky on Jun 6, 7:02 PM
              1. Ricky, do you believe these words of Jesus? Yes or no? - Beatrice77 on Jun 21, 1:50 AM
    2. Mr. Ricky, you don't really believe the words of Jesus, do you? - Beatrice77 on Jun 5, 2:37 PM
      1. Hades means the grave or the place of the dead that will not overcome The Church of Christ - Ricky on Jun 7, 10:11 AM
        1. Mr. Ricky, why do you use a watered down Bible? We use Douay-Rheims Version - Beatrice77 on Jun 7, 11:27 AM
          1. The Gatesof Hell shall not prevail... That is why the Woman went into wilderness. - Anonymous on Jun 8, 7:51 AM
            1. In other words the True Church went into wilderness, no people. What about the RCC? - Anonymous on Jun 8, 7:53 AM
              1. Has the Catholic Church ever been to Wilderness? - Anonymous on Jun 8, 7:54 AM
            2. First you have to identify the woman clothed with the sun. - Beatrice77 on Jun 10, 1:57 AM
              1. The Woman is NOT MARY, it was the True Church, First Israel, then Christianity. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 10, 5:26 AM
                1. Mary in the bible after Jesus'es ascent was with the brethren, not in a desert/wilderness. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 10, 5:27 AM
                2. Jesus was no longer a child after about 33 years when he ascended into heaven. - Beatrice77 on Jun 11, 6:36 PM
                  1. Yes, it could be that Jesus visited God when still a child. - Tomas on Jun 12, 10:46 PM
                    1. You still misinterpret the Bible Mr. Tomas. - Beatrice77 on Jun 15, 12:54 AM
                      1. Here is one more! - Jim on Jun 15, 4:28 AM
                      2. Beatrice, Jesus was a holy baby. - Tomas on Jun 18, 10:15 AM
                      3. Tomas so Jesus was created sinless? Who created Jesus sinless? - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:53 AM
                      4. Who else but God? - Tomas on Jun 19, 10:37 PM
                  2. Read the scriptures properly beattrice Rev 12:4,5,6,15,16. - Anonymous on Jun 15, 6:41 AM
                    1. They went to Egypt, oh well Egypt was full of people again. Mat 2.13 - Anonymous on Jun 15, 1:41 PM
                  3. After Baby Jesus was born they went to Egypt, oops that's full of people again! - Anonymous on Jun 15, 1:40 PM
              2. Mr. Davao, you don't know what the holy family did after the visit of the Magi. - Beatrice77 on Jun 10, 6:07 PM
                1. Mat 2.13 They went to Egypt. Now Egypt would hardly be called a wilderness! - Anonymous on Jun 15, 1:43 PM
            3. Davaoguy, what nonsense is this? A church without people? - Beatrice77 on Jun 15, 12:38 AM
              1. Yes, that's why the bible said wilderness! - Jim on Jun 15, 4:30 AM
              2. You dare to call what's written Nonsense Beattrice?! - Anonymous on Jun 15, 6:28 AM
            4. References on Egypt's wilderness. Davaoguy has no reference. Only baseless speculations. - Beatrice77 on Jun 15, 7:10 PM
              1. It is not written where in Egypt they settled. Egypt is full of people, not a Wilderness. - Believe the Bible on Jun 17, 7:47 AM
                1. Beattrice doesn't care if its NOT written, after all she uses the Duoay-Rheims bible. - Believe the Bible on Jun 17, 7:48 AM
     
  6. Catholic Church - what does this Name really Say? It actually says A Church with an Entity View Thread - Believe The Bible on Jun 6, 6:08 AM
    1. The Church is already Whole. Catholic, it doesn't need Christ - the Name isn't there. - Believe The Bible on Jun 6, 6:43 AM
      1. We have been replying to Beattrice's queries, but she Avoids these ones! - Believe the Bible. on Jun 7, 5:42 AM
    2. "Catholic" fulfills the command of Jesus to preach ALL NATIONS. - Beatrice77 on Jun 7, 7:47 AM
      1. You dont even qoute verses to back your claims up. Sad. Liar! - Believe the Bible. on Jun 10, 7:13 AM
        1. You don't think we are commanded to preach to all nations? - Tomas on Jun 11, 2:36 AM
          1. How do you make them disccples? - Jim on Jun 14, 11:56 AM
            1. By preaching to them persuasively, so that they - Tomas on Jun 18, 10:42 AM
    3. If the true church must have the true name then "Church of Christ" is wrong! - Beatrice77 on Jun 7, 8:20 AM
      1. So VITW why are you a member of the Pagan catholic Chruch? - Jim on Jun 7, 12:00 PM
      2. SO WHY IS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NOT THE CHURCH OF YESHUA? - Anonymous on Jun 8, 6:55 AM
        1. Beattrice Denies that Jesus IS Christ! Prophecy fulfilled! 1. John 2.22 - Anonymous on Jun 8, 6:56 AM
          1. Pray to your god Beattrice, your god on earth the Pope, perhaps he might help. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 10, 5:35 AM
        2. You confused many issues Mr. Davao. - Beatrice77 on Jun 11, 1:50 AM
          1. Is. 9:6 simply has a long name. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2:45 AM
            1. Wrong. Israelites knew Adam was son of God. They were Jealous of Jesus and had him killed. - Believe the Bible. on Jun 14, 5:23 AM
              1. [the son] is in brackets, because it's not in the Greek. - Tomas on Jun 18, 10:53 AM
                1. These are not in brackets. the son of God Luke 3:38 [NLT] - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:35 AM
                  1. Don't look at NLT, they don't put anything in brackets. - Tomas on Jun 19, 11:01 PM
                    1. are you sure? Dan 3:25 - Anonymous on Jun 21, 4:28 PM
                      1. Israel was a Son of God Ex4.22, and so was Solomon - Anonymous on Jun 21, 4:34 PM
                      2. Yes, a son. There are many sons of God, but only one, - Tomas on Jun 25, 3:50 AM
                      3. Davaoguy2, yes, I'm sure. Dan. 3:25 is mistranslated in KJV. - Tomas on Jun 25, 3:45 AM
                      4. Israel is God's firstborn Son. Solomon was God's Son. - Anonymous on Jun 26, 1:18 AM
                      5. Sure, firstborn. But not THE son. - Tomas on Jun 27, 2:54 AM
                      6. Israel is God's Firstborn Son. Exd 4.22 Do you not believe God when he said that? - Anonymous on Jun 27, 12:03 PM
                      7. Jesus was the firstborn of every creature, the image of the invisible is a creature. - Anonymous on Jun 27, 12:09 PM
                      8. Jesus is firstborn differently than Israel. - Tomas on Jul 2, 8:50 AM
                      9. How is Israel's being firstborn different from Jesus? Read me a verse. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:47 AM
                      10. Jesus Christ is Israel, he is the KING or Head of Israel/Jews. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:53 AM
                      11. Yes the Head/Shepherd was Smitten by God. Israel the Firstborn. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 5:05 AM
                      12. If you truly believe Jesus is Israel, then that would mean - Tomas on Jul 4, 3:18 AM
                      13. That is only in your thoughts Tomas. Everything in the OT is about Jesus, King of Israel - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:21 PM
                2. very interesting theory Tomas, but you have no scriptures to back it with. - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:36 AM
                  1. See my answer above, there I backed it up - Tomas on Jun 19, 11:04 PM
            2. is it because the name was too long that's why it's not in the name of your church? - Anonymous on Jun 14, 3:31 PM
              1. Our Church has more than one name. - Tomas on Jun 18, 11:01 AM
                1. So what's the name of your church tomas? - Anonymous on Jun 19, 7:32 AM
                  1. My church is your church, if you repent and believe correctly. - Tomas on Jun 19, 11:12 PM
                    1. Tomas , your church is too easy (good) to be true! - Jim on Jun 21, 3:00 PM
                      1. I didn't say no matter what religion. - Tomas on Jun 25, 4:03 AM
     
  7. The Lord Saves the Son of God = Jesus Christ. Does God need Salvation? View Thread - Believe the Bible. on Jun 28, 1:47 PM
    1. Davaoguy invents another doctrine: "The Lord saves the Son of God." - Beatrice77 on Jun 28, 9:38 PM
    2. Davaoguy2, the Lord does not save the Son. - Tomas on Jul 2, 8:38 AM
      1. YHWH does save the Son. Jesus Cried for help in the End. Psalm 22 vs Gospel. - Believe the Bible. on Jul 2, 9:31 AM
        1. God heard him, raised him up, delivered him, but did not save him. - Tomas on Jul 4, 3:50 AM
          1. Isn't delivered means being saved? - Jim on Jul 4, 6:42 AM
            1. Lets go to the bible Jim. Deliver is Save indeed. Psa 6.4 - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:10 PM
     
  8. Davaoguy is pushing his out of context perception. View Thread - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 10:39 AM
    1. Davaoguy, can you tell me of any OT prophets who reveal that God is a father? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 10:41 AM
      1. King David said God is our Father. 1Ch 29:10, Malachi said the same. - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:07 PM
        1. Beattrice you called God Heartless in 1 Sam 15.3-18. Why should i listen to u? - Anonymous on Jul 5, 1:08 PM
     
  9. Davaoguy, are you suggesting Felix Manalo was sent in the name of Jesus? View Thread - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 6:35 AM
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  10. God forms the Light and creates Darkness. what about Jesus? View Thread - Believe the Bible on Jun 30, 2:12 PM
    1. God is the Source of both Darkness and Light, is Jesus the source of Darkness? - Believe the Bible on Jun 30, 2:18 PM
    2. Jesus Christ created all things - light, darkness, the universe - Jason on Jun 30, 3:05 PM
      1. "By him and for him" - Jim on Jun 30, 5:20 PM
      2. It doesn't say in Col 1.16-17 and Hebrews 1.1-2 that BY Jesus Evil was created. - Believe the Bible on Jul 1, 11:17 PM
        1. Invisible things in Col 1:16: Thrones, dominions... Not Darkness/Evil itself. - Believe the Bible on Jul 2, 12:09 AM
          1. All things are all things, which includes free will - Jason on Jul 2, 5:19 PM
            1. Show me a verse saying Will Power is Evil and I will believe you. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:03 AM
              1. What if I have the WILL to SERVE GOD? Is that Evil? - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:05 AM
        2. Dont be a coward like other INC members, respond to the verses I quoted - Jason on Jul 2, 5:18 PM
          1. Is Jesus the father? - Jim on Jul 2, 7:31 PM
          2. Where in the bible did Jesus ever say 'I am God.'? If u can show me, i will believe. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 3:59 AM
          3. So Jesus Created Evil Jason? That was my question. Now Read! - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 4:00 AM
     
 
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