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  1. INCQUISITOR, TF, TOMAS, Paul speaks of the mystery of God. View Thread - Michael on Jul 3, 9:17 PM
    1. "Beware lest anyone cheats you through.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 5:55 AM
      1. So INCQUISITOR, what is the mystery of God Paul is saying in Colossians 2? - Michael on Jul 4, 12:03 PM
        1. Tell me what you think so I can have something to refute. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:20 PM
          1. Do you not know QUITOR? Read Col. 2, or even the whole epistle of Paul to the Colossians. - Michael on Jul 4, 10:03 PM
            1. Tell us your understanding of Col. 2:9 so we know where you stand. - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 6:28 PM
              1. Does this mean you don't know the MYSTERY of GOD Paul speaks about in Col. 2? - Michael on Jul 6, 3:06 AM
                1. God does NOT "dwell bodily" in Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 6:03 AM
                  1. Ok. What can I say, if you don't know the Msytery OF God Paul speaks about in Col. 2. - Michael on Jul 6, 9:32 AM
    2. Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Tomas on Jul 5, 1:23 AM
      1. Re: Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Michael on Jul 5, 3:40 PM
        1. The mystery of God, does not mean mystery about God, - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:15 PM
          1. Mystery of God, God's mystery, it's all the same. It concerns and relates to God. - Michael on Jul 11, 8:55 PM
            1. It is His mystery about Christ. - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:18 PM
              1. What is about Christ is what is about God. - Michael on Jul 11, 9:44 PM
                1. Not necessarily. - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:47 AM
                  1. It sure is. - Michael on Jul 24, 3:35 AM
                    1. I suppose with Christ being so special, God hid all his treasures - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:35 AM
                      1. There is no need to suppose as you always do Tomas. Just believe what scriptures say. - Michael on Jul 26, 3:24 AM
                      2. I do believe all the scriptures say. I just don't go beyond that with dogma. - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:48 AM
                      3. Actually Tomas you go beyond what is written & take the unwritten as a basis for - Michael on Jul 26, 10:33 AM
                      4. Where did I base any dogmatic truth on unwritten? - Tomas on Aug 2, 5:35 AM
                      5. Re: Where did I base any dogmatic truth on unwritten? - Michael on Aug 9, 12:25 AM
                      6. What is not written, is not to be believed. - Tomas on Aug 9, 1:34 AM
                      7. Re: What is not written, is not to be believed. - Michael on Aug 9, 9:21 AM
                      8. What is not written, is not to be believed, though we are not forbidden to speculate. - Tomas on Aug 9, 10:29 AM
                      9. Forbidden or not, speculation must not be used to explain away scriptures. - Michael on Aug 10, 5:09 AM
                      10. I do not explain away scriptures, I interpret scriptures, to come to truth. - Tomas on Aug 16, 9:10 AM
                      11. Re: I do not explain away scriptures, I interpret scriptures, to come to truth. - Michael on Aug 19, 2:03 AM
    3. that verse do not apply to the trinitarians - tf on Jul 12, 2:17 AM
      1. What are you talking about? Do you even know what the mystery of God Paul says there? - Michael on Jul 12, 2:31 PM
        1. the sad truth is in the pudding my friend - tf on Jul 12, 10:24 PM
          1. Yes you never said anything about the topic at the OP. - Michael on Jul 13, 12:20 AM
            1. in fact it was the trinity that still remains a mystery - tf on Jul 19, 3:11 AM
              1. Yet still, youl evade the issue at the OP. Do you know the mystery of God spoken by Paul? - Michael on Jul 19, 8:04 PM
            2. tf, we would not know the nature of God until Jesus revealed it. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 6:54 AM
              1. You version of John 1:18 is an ALTERED version. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 9:34 AM
                1. Don't you get it? Don was speaking metaphorically and not literally comparing God with air - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 6:47 PM
                2. I mean, Dean was speaking...sorry, Dean. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 6:49 PM
              2. Sorry Dean, but your analogy and illustration of Trinity is erroneous. - Michael on Jul 24, 3:42 AM
                1. Michael, no analogy is perfect. You can knock me down, but see if you can give a better - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 2, 8:35 PM
                  1. I know. Not for knocking you down Dean. Just saying that Air does not illustrate trinity - Michael on Aug 3, 6:32 AM
                  2. Michael, you are saying God is like time? Past , present & future? - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 3, 3:47 PM
                    1. Dean, read again what I said in my post. This time carefully. - Michael on Aug 4, 1:02 AM
     
  2. Why Christ Built His Church View Thread - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 6:36 AM
    1. Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - Michael on Aug 17, 9:34 AM
      1. Re: Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2:25 PM
        1. Re: Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - Michael on Aug 18, 1:34 AM
    2. According to scriptures. - Michael on Aug 17, 9:39 AM
      1. This is not the primary reason why Christ built his church. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 3:21 PM
        1. INCqusitor, perhaps you ought to read again what Eph.3 is saying. - Michael on Aug 17, 10:14 PM
    3. More - Michael on Aug 17, 9:44 AM
      1. Re: More - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 3:16 PM
        1. Re: More - Michael on Aug 17, 11:09 PM
     
  3. Paul says that Christ was rich, yet became poor. How did He became poor? View Thread - Michael on May 16, 10:49 PM
    1. Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Tomas on May 17, 10:22 AM
      1. Re: Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Michael on May 18, 8:02 AM
        1. I agree with what you say there, except I am not so dogmatic - Tomas on May 24, 4:08 AM
          1. It's not about being dogmatic or not. It's about the revealed truth. - Michael on May 25, 7:06 AM
            1. You are dogmatic that it is the revealed truth he did preexist, - Tomas on May 30, 11:47 PM
              1. The truth is He preexisted, even from eternity. - Michael on Jun 15, 9:01 PM
                1. I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Tomas on Jun 21, 7:36 AM
                  1. Re: I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Michael on Jun 22, 9:21 PM
                    1. Do you claim that God, even though he is omnipotent, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2:09 AM
                      1. That is not what it means to be omnipotent. - Michael on Jun 29, 3:04 AM
                      2. That link does not analyze God's omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:03 AM
                      3. Yes, it directly does not. What I said is that, it is a related link. - Michael on Jul 6, 3:26 AM
                      4. OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:52 PM
                      5. Re: OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Michael on Jul 11, 9:39 PM
                      6. Sometimes you disagree even when you really agree. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:57 AM
                      7. Not the case Tomas. - Michael on Jul 20, 6:29 AM
                      8. Well, you are quibbling about semantics, to create a disagreement where I agree. - Tomas on Jul 26, 4:04 AM
                      9. Being clear is always a good thing. I don't create disagreement, when I see none. - Michael on Jul 26, 9:08 AM
                      10. OK, if you now want to discuss only where we disagree, let's do that. - Tomas on Aug 2, 6:01 AM
                      11. Of course, we only discuss those matters where we disagree. - Michael on Aug 8, 10:25 AM
                      12. Well, occasionally we discuss and we end up agreeing on something. - Tomas on Aug 8, 10:32 PM
                      13. Re: Well, occasionally we discuss and we end up agreeing on something. - Michael on Aug 9, 2:18 AM
                      14. OK, more about God and Christ. - Tomas on Aug 9, 5:46 AM
                      15. Re: OK, more about God and Christ. - Michael on Aug 10, 9:42 AM
                      16. More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Tomas on Aug 16, 8:07 AM
                      17. Re: More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Michael on Aug 17, 12:14 PM
     
  4. Ask yourself. View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 8:38 PM
    1. My answers: - Tomas on Jun 21, 8:17 AM
      1. Re: My answers: - Michael on Jul 2, 5:01 AM
        1. Re: My answers: - tf on Jul 2, 10:46 PM
          1. Go back to the post and answer properly. There are four questions, in case you don't know. - Michael on Jul 2, 11:15 PM
            1. I higlighted those two so far - tf on Jul 3, 1:23 AM
              1. Elucidate? Answer each questions, and I'll be most willing to comment after. - Michael on Jul 3, 11:28 AM
        2. Michael, I disagree mainly concerning your answer - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:20 AM
          1. How about the rest of my answers Tomas? - Michael on Jul 5, 2:38 PM
            1. In verse 15, the name he was referring to, - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:01 PM
              1. 'I AM has sent me to you.' - Michael on Jul 11, 9:55 PM
                1. OK, when God said "I WILL BE has sent me to you", - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:28 AM
                  1. God's answer is plain, direct, and clear. No need to explain by speculation. - Michael on Jul 22, 3:57 AM
                    1. It has to be explained to make the Bible harmonize. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2:58 AM
                      1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 11:15 AM
                      2. Yes, his name represents what he is. So he will - Tomas on Aug 2, 1:35 AM
                      3. Not calling God by the name YHWH does not mean that it ceased to be His name. - Michael on Aug 3, 7:49 AM
                      4. OK, so you agree with INC on this doctrine. - Tomas on Aug 9, 10:52 AM
                      5. I am not aware of INC having this stand. It doesn't matter anyway. - Michael on Aug 9, 11:51 AM
                      6. Yes, that is what the minister one time was telling me. - Tomas on Aug 9, 12:05 PM
                      7. Nonetheless, who is YHWH? - Michael on Aug 9, 12:43 PM
                      8. YHWH is the Father. At least that was his former name. - Tomas on Aug 16, 7:02 AM
                      9. For you Tomas perhaps. Obviously not for the Jews. - Michael on Aug 17, 4:21 AM
            2. Concerning your other 3 answers, I generally agree with you. - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:07 PM
              1. I'm glad you do. - Michael on Jul 11, 10:15 PM
                1. That last sentence of yours makes no sense. - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:34 AM
                  1. Makes no sense to you Tomas, I see. - Michael on Jul 20, 10:24 PM
                    1. You're right, Michael, Tomas doesn't understand Trinity. If he would, he would have never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 7:48 AM
                      1. I understand a huge amount about trinity, I have read - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:16 AM
                      2. Good that we can agree on something. Now do the next logical step and believe in it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:38 AM
                      3. God does not confuse me or you or INC members. - Tomas on Aug 2, 1:43 AM
                      4. As long as the devil clouds your mind with your false personal doctrine: " We are not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 10:28 AM
                      5. Sorry, that doctrine is not from the devil but directly - Tomas on Aug 9, 10:31 AM
                    2. OK, Michael, you have explained what you really meant. - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:07 AM
                      1. There is no room for possibilities or uncertainties when it comes to having faith. - Michael on Jul 26, 8:35 AM
                      2. Oh yes, there is. When the devil is reigning over you, there is! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 9:40 AM
                      3. Michael, I have faith in what the Bible tells us for certain. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2:46 AM
                      4. Well Tomas, that is not just what shows in your posts. - Michael on Aug 3, 11:22 PM
                      5. It does show in my posts, even if you don't think so. - Tomas on Aug 9, 11:31 AM
                      6. As you say so Tomas. - Michael on Aug 9, 12:41 PM
                      7. Yes, I do. - Tomas on Aug 16, 6:59 AM
                      8. You do Tomas? - Michael on Aug 17, 4:10 AM
                2. Please explsin. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 6:33 AM
                  1. There is nothing to explain here INCQUISITOR. - Michael on Aug 10, 9:52 AM
        3. Re: My answers: - INCquisitor on Aug 2, 6:13 PM
          1. My comments on your answers INCquisitor. - Michael on Aug 3, 7:21 AM
            1. Re: My comments on your answers INCquisitor. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 5:12 AM
              1. INCQUISTOR, why do you openly lie about Acts 2:36? - Michael on Aug 10, 11:17 AM
                1. I didn't lie about Acts 2:36. Peter preached what he learned from Jesus. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 3:06 PM
                  1. Apparently you did INCquisitor. - Michael on Aug 13, 11:47 AM
     
  5. For Tomas only: Verses that speaks of Christ's Deity. View Thread - Michael on Aug 17, 3:51 AM
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  7. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 7:37 AM
            1. God saves us through Jesus, in the church. - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:57 AM
              1. God is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Jul 26, 11:26 AM
                1. Of course. But he saves us in the church. - Tomas on Aug 1, 11:13 PM
                  1. You keep saying "in the church". I think it sends a wrong message. - Michael on Aug 4, 6:25 AM
                    1. When we are saved, we are added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 9, 6:09 AM
                      1. That's right. - Michael on Aug 12, 10:33 PM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 5:44 PM
      3. How to find the true church - inhinyero on Aug 1, 11:35 AM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 7:03 PM
        1. The Claim of the RCC being founded - inhinyero on Aug 1, 11:38 AM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:58 AM
                1. By their fruits... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 11:44 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 6:48 PM
                    1. FCCC..1st century Chuch... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 11:46 AM
                      1. Now don't be so harsh on him. Maybe the New Testament was finished being written - Tomas on Aug 1, 11:19 PM
                      2. The NT did not exist in one volume... - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 1:30 PM
                      3. OK, maybe no Christian near the end of the first century had ` - Tomas on Aug 9, 6:19 AM
                    2. FCCC...is this the name of the early Church? - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 1:35 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 6:36 AM
                  1. I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Tomas on Jul 26, 2:08 AM
                    1. Re: I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Michael on Jul 28, 4:17 PM
                      1. True what you say. And I did not really mean we are saved - Tomas on Aug 1, 11:27 PM
                      2. The church was not established as necessary for our salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 6:15 AM
                      3. It sure is necessary for our salvation, we can't be saved outside it. - Tomas on Aug 9, 6:42 AM
                      4. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 12, 10:43 PM
                      5. OK, we are not saved only by being added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 16, 6:33 AM
                      6. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 17, 2:23 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 7:26 PM
      1. Don't know the answer INCquisitor? What do you tell those who are members of FCCC? - Michael on Aug 13, 11:49 AM
     
  8. What's the difference between an adopted son and begotten Son of God? View Thread - Michael on Jun 30, 11:25 AM
    1. The begotten son has authority over adopted sons - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 4:52 PM
      1. You missed the question altogether INCQUISITOR. Try again. - Michael on Jun 30, 9:59 PM
        1. Because that's not the response you want to hear. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 4:29 AM
          1. Re: Because that's not the response you want to hear. - Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. on Jul 1, 6:40 PM
          2. INCQUISITOR don't know the difference between a begotten and an adopted son? No wonder. - Michael on Jul 1, 9:37 PM
    2. IncQ, this will help you answer intelligently. Can you beget a dog? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 12:13 PM
      1. Colonel Blood-Dish, a little credit my way for presenting your Example would be nice. LOL - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 1, 4:32 PM
      2. There is no doubt that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 6:25 PM
      3. IncQ cannot answer if he can beget a dog. IncQ cannot answer this. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 8:28 AM
        1. I can't beget a dog, but God can, if he wants to. - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:28 AM
          1. Seriously? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:01 PM
            1. Did God promise never to beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:09 PM
              1. Again, seriously? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:46 PM
                1. Yes, do you have a verse that God will never beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:37 AM
                  1. None. Apparently you seriously believe that God can beget a dog. Really weird. - Michael on Jul 20, 6:53 AM
                    1. You claim that what is begotten of God, necessarily has the same nature - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:20 AM
                      1. Yes, I do Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 10:57 AM
                      2. But the Bible does not say even that nothing can come forth from Deity - Tomas on Aug 2, 1:07 AM
                      3. Well then Tomas, I'll just have to leave it that your God can beget a dog or whatever. - Michael on Aug 3, 9:38 AM
                      4. My God and your God, the biblical God, that we both believe in. - Tomas on Aug 9, 8:55 AM
                      5. But Tomas, it's not about what He wants, but is about what is begotten of God. - Michael on Aug 9, 9:27 AM
                      6. Maybe he never does and never will. - Tomas on Aug 9, 9:36 AM
                      7. He never can and never does Tomas. - Michael on Aug 10, 8:42 PM
                      8. OK, he cannot beget a male dog, because otherwise - Tomas on Aug 16, 6:11 AM
                      9. Yes, Tomas, that is who your God is. One who can beget even dogs. - Michael on Aug 17, 12:05 AM
      4. Jesus tells me he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 8:52 AM
        1. So, INCquisitor, you admit you don't know what it means to a begotten & be an adopted. - Michael on Jul 20, 9:30 PM
    3. How about you Tomas, what is your answer to the OP? - Michael on Jul 5, 1:55 PM
      1. The begotten Son of God was biologically begotten by God - Tomas on Jul 11, 9:14 PM
        1. Jesus, biologically begotten by God? How was that? - Michael on Jul 11, 9:50 PM
          1. I guess God put in Mary some sperm of his, to fertilize - Tomas on Jul 19, 1:43 AM
            1. God's sperm? Certainly weird! God has sperm? WOW. What weird thoughts you got there. - Michael on Jul 20, 7:44 AM
              1. So maybe not a sperm, but you have to acknowledge - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:33 AM
                1. Certainly and not maybe, Tomas. - Michael on Jul 30, 1:24 AM
                  1. That might all be true, but you have not proven it was not God's sperm. - Tomas on Aug 2, 1:18 AM
                    1. Tomas, it's not that it might be true, rather it is the truth. - Michael on Aug 4, 1:27 AM
                      1. You can think what you want, it's your thing. - Tomas on Aug 9, 9:31 AM
                      2. Right Tomas. I think about what scriptures say and not speculate on what it does not say. - Michael on Aug 14, 1:56 AM
                      3. So why speculate it was not a sperm? - Tomas on Aug 16, 6:19 AM
     
  9. OK, Michael, these forums are taking too long, View Thread - Tomas on Aug 16, 10:05 AM
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  11. what is America coming too does it any backbone anymore? View Thread - year2027 on Aug 16, 9:54 AM
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  13. The Son of Man ascended to heaven, to where He was before. What does this tell you? View Thread - Michael on Jul 8, 12:24 AM
    1. John 6:62 is a parable like the parables written from - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:55 AM
      1. John 6:62 , a parable? - Michael on Jul 8, 12:52 PM
        1. Of course John 6:62 is a parable. - INCquisitor on Jul 10, 5:46 PM
          1. Of course it's not. There is nothing parabolic in this statement of Jesus. - Michael on Jul 10, 11:07 PM
            1. Is there a verse that says where Jesus was before literally? - INCquistor on Jul 13, 7:08 PM
              1. You have not properly responded to my post INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 13, 8:29 PM
              2. There are many verses in the Bible in which Jesus said: "The Father has sent me." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 7:06 AM
                1. John wrote that he was sent from God (John 1:6). - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:37 PM
                  1. No, because he didn't exist before all things were created, like Jesus. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 10:13 AM
                    1. Jesus was talking metaphorically. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:41 PM
                      1. Yeah right......metaphorically. In your dreams...metaphorically speaking. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:57 PM
    2. Yes, Jesus was in heaven before, probably in his preexistence, - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:20 PM
      1. Certainly, the Son was in heaven before He came down to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jul 13, 2:06 AM
        1. Please show scripture that says "the son was in heaven before - INCquistor on Jul 13, 7:12 PM
          1. John 6:38 - Michael on Jul 13, 8:37 PM
            1. John 6:38 does not make Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:24 PM
              1. You asked for scripture. Do you deny the verse I cited [John 6:38]? - Michael on Jul 18, 11:28 PM
                1. Christ's coming from heaven does not mean he WAS God. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 5:57 PM
                  1. The undeniable truth is that Christ came from heaven. He came from God. - Michael on Jul 19, 7:53 PM
                    1. Don't you understand what the words "only" and "true" mean? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:56 PM
                      1. In that case, you read scriptures as a list of isolated statements. No context whatsoever. - Michael on Jul 20, 9:03 PM
          2. John 17:5 Jesus enjoyed glory with His Father even before the world began. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 8:51 PM
            1. Exactly. If someone shares something with you, you have to exist. Nobody can share - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 7:12 AM
              1. Tell me wise guy, what was Jesus before the world began? - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 7:33 PM
                1. God. He is the Word. [John 1:1, Rev. 19:13] - Michael on Jul 18, 10:51 PM
                  1. Does John 1:1 tell us that Jesus is the word? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:28 PM
                    1. INCquisitor, you still can't see who John testifies about in his writings? - Michael on Jul 20, 7:11 PM
                      1. Apparently, INCquisitor again is stalled by this post. - Michael on Jul 24, 10:31 AM
                2. He was the Archangel, or God the Son, or both, or neither. - Tomas on Jul 18, 10:56 PM
                3. The Word, you wise guy. It became flesh = baby boy. Now, with whom shared God the glory - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 9:52 AM
                  1. Show me scripture that says Jesus WAS the word that became flesh. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 3:44 PM
                    1. Who else became flesh? Nobody? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 3:53 PM
          3. UP FOR FCCC INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 18, 12:34 AM
        2. Michael, tell me when did Jesus ascend to heaven before John 3:13. - Tomas on Jul 18, 10:41 PM
          1. Tomas, Jesus was referring to the immediate time when He descended & become flesh. - Michael on Jul 18, 11:00 PM
            1. But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:27 PM
              1. Re: But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Michael on Aug 4, 2:57 AM
                1. OK then, I will then look for your other posts and respond there. - Tomas on Aug 9, 7:56 AM
          2. Let me answer this again Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 7:30 AM
            1. He clearly told Nicodemus he has ascended to heaven, not - Tomas on Jul 26, 1:16 AM
              1. Jesus was in heaven, in His Father's heart? - Michael on Aug 4, 2:47 AM
                1. Exactly, in his loving heart. - Tomas on Aug 9, 8:51 AM
                  1. Well then Tomas, so be it with you. - Michael on Aug 9, 11:07 AM
                    1. Well, then Michael, so be it with you. - Tomas on Aug 9, 11:59 AM
                      1. Tomas, where is the lie in what I posted? - Michael on Aug 9, 1:04 PM
                      2. In your interpretation, Jesus would have lied by using the wrong tenses. - Tomas on Aug 16, 9:53 AM
     
 
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