| Tomas, your fundamental error is that you have become a church unto yourself.June 25 2009 at 8:16 AM | Beatrice77 (Login Beatrice77) |
Response to Beatrice, what about your answers to Jesus, Paul, James and God himself? |
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You have rejected the church founded by Jesus and made yourself a church.
You reject the magisterium or teaching authority of the church Jesus founded and reserved for yourself the authority to interpret the scriptures yourself.
Who gave you authority to interpret the scriptures? Nobody.
If you are to be one with Christ, you must also be one with the Catholic Church. (John 17-22). For one to gather in the name of Christ he must also gather in the name of the Church. Christ not only gave the power to bind and loose, He also commanded a oneness with Him and His Church, “ And the glory which thou hast given me, I have given to them: that, they may be one, as we also are one.”
First and foremost, Christ established a Church, not Scripture. Scripture is the product of God's inspiration at work in His Church and so it cannot be divorced from her and understood properly outside of her. To the Church belongs the authority to teach what Scripture means to us, there is no authority granted to individuals to do this.
The Scripture itself is but a dead letter calling for a divine interpreter; it is not arranged in systematic form like a creed or catechism. It is often obscure and hard to understand, as St. Peter says of the Epistles of St. Paul (2 Peter 3:16, Acts 8:30-31). It is open to many a false interpretation. Moreover, a number of revealed truths have been handed down by divine tradition only.
Luther once stated that the Bible could be interpreted by everyone. But when others denied his teaching, the Bible became "a heresy book" most obscure and difficult to understand. Finally he said "There are as many sects and beliefs as there are heads."
Here are some of your misinterpretations Tomas:
"Call no one father on the earth." So what do you call the man who contributed his seed to your mother?
"Someone who is blameless, husband of one wife." Does Paul himself have a wife? Was John the Apostle married?
"But we should write to them to abstain only from things polluted by idols and from fornication and from whatever has been strangled and from blood." Jesus says "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but what cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." The council of Jerusalem prohibited eating of meat and blood "polluted by idols" meaning offered as sacrifice to idols so as not to scandalized Jewish Christians. Therefore if they were not sacrificed to idols, they are not prohibited.
Later on Paul relaxed this rule too because idols are nothing anyway. (1Cor 8:4; 10:19)
"You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above, or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth. You shall not bow to them or serve them." What God prohibits is idolatry. But God wants his house to be decorated. See the statues in the Temple of Solomon, God instructed to be built. http://www.templemount.org/solomon.html Statues are visual aids and representational arts that aid in devotion.
So Tomas, you think you know better than Jesus. You think you can interpret the Scripture better than the church authorized by Jesus to teach?
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| Responses- The true Church is more inclusive than your church. - Tomas on Jun 27, 1:51 AM
- Following the logic of your argument, the bishop must have a wife and children too. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 3:10 AM
- That's right. So your Benedict is not a valid bishop. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:05 AM
- Where does it say that Peter had at least two children? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:20 PM
- It is proven by the fact that he became a bishop. - Tomas on Jul 9, 3:52 PM
- St. James was bishop of Jerusalem. How many children did he have? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:40 PM
- St. James was bishop of Jerusalem. How many children did he have? - Beatrice77 on Jul 4, 2:40 PM
- At least 2. - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:03 PM
- Bishop must have children to be qualified? If his wife is infertile, - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 6:16 AM
- If she is infertile, then he cannot become a bishop, - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:10 PM
- So even Jesus cannot qualify as bishop for he was not married and had no children. - Beatrice77 on Jul 7, 3:50 PM
- Jesus had titles much superior to bishop. - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:18 PM
- For that matter even Paul and unmarried apostles like John could not qualify - Beatrice77 on Jul 7, 3:58 PM
- That's right, Paul was not a bishop. - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:25 PM
- Tomas, like Felix Manalo, thinks he knows better than Jesus. - Beatrice77 on Jul 2, 4:17 AM
- I know that Jesus knows better than FYM, me, or your Benedict. - Tomas on Jul 2, 7:43 AM
- Luke 9:49-50 does not authorize anyone to found other churches. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 6:01 AM
- On the contrary Paul warns of another gospel. - Beatrice77 on Jul 3, 6:06 AM
- I finally agreed with BEATS! - Jim on Jul 3, 7:55 AM
- Sure, you agree with her that Church is one organization. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:44 AM
- Beatrice, other gospels are those that disagree with - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:29 AM
- Beatrice, not authorize, but allow. That is enough. - Tomas on Jul 4, 2:15 AM
- Thanks Tomas for your private interpretation. They are still "other gospels." - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 8:34 AM
- So to you even the Eastern Ortodox church is another gospel? - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:34 PM
- Sorry for my misspelling, it should be "Orthodox". - Tomas on Jul 9, 4:52 PM
- The Catholic church tells people to Judge God in 1 Samuel 15.3-18, this Beattrice did. - Believe the Gospel. on Jul 3, 3:58 AM
- Where did that Catholic Church tell that? Spreading slander again Davaoguy? - Beatrice77 on Jul 5, 8:42 AM
- Bad tree bears bad fruit Jesus said. That's why you slander God in 1 Sam 15.3-18 - Anonymous on Jul 5, 2:45 PM
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