| Lasenna, who taught you bible study? Here's an example of poor bible study.November 1 2009 at 5:47 PM | Beatrice77 (Login Beatrice77) |
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A. -- Living Bible
Luke 13:23 Someone asked him, ``Will only a few be saved?''And he replied, ``The door to heaven is narrow. Work hard to get in, for the truth is that many will try to enter but when the head of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. Then if you stand outside knocking, and pleading, `Lord, open the door for us,' he will reply, `I do not know you.'
Do you read the story of Noah? Learned from it..
Here is Douay Rheim Version:
Luke 13:23 And a certain man said to him: Lord, are they few that are saved? But he said to them: 24 Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able. 25 But when the master of the house shall be gone in, and shall shut the door, you shall begin to stand without, and knock at the door, saying: Lord, open to us. And he answering, shall say to you: I know you not, whence you are.
24 "Shall seek"... Shall desire to be saved; but for want of taking sufficient pains, and being thoroughly in earnest, shall not attain to it.
Did Jesus answer the question? No. Jesus did not directly answer the question. Jesus did not answer whether many or few will be saved. Instead he told of a deeper truth. The narrow gate does not mean only a few will be saved.
If only a few would be saved, why are you a member of the Iglesia ni Cristo (founded by "angel of the east" Felix Manalo) which has about 10 million members. Why not join the Members Church of God International (founded by Eliseo Soriano) which has much fewer members than the Iglesia ni Cristo.
Or why not join the Kingdom of Jesus Christ by the "appointed son of God" Apollo C. Quiboloy which has much fewer members than the Members Church of God International of Eliseo Soriano?
If Jesus was talking about numbers only, then he contradict himself when he commands his church to preach to all nations. He also contradicts God the Father: 1 Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, 4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
No, Jesus wasn't telling that a only few would be saved. Matt 7:13 is clearer. "Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. 14 How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it! 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
John 10 9 I am the door. By me, if any man enter in, he shall be saved: and he shall go in, and go out, and shall find pastures.
John 14 6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
What is the truth Jesus was suggesting? Jesus is the narrow gate, the door, the way, the truth and the life. Not anybody else. Not Martin Luther, not Joseph Smith, not Felix Manalo, not Elseo Soriano, not Apollo C. Quiboloy, nor hundreds of thousands of false prophets who come to you in the clothing of sheep, or "angel of the east" or "appointed son of God.", but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved.
What about the story of Noah? God planned the ark to save Noah's family. Like Noah's ark, God planned his church to save mankind. Jesus came down from heaven
1. to save humanity from sin and evil by his act of atonement on the cross
2. to teach mankind how to think and behave by his teachings and action.
Once Jesus had completed this, He made the extraordinary decision to hand over to a small group of disciples the awesome task of bringing the saving message of the Gospel to the four corners of the earth.
Jesus promised three great things:
1. the gates of hell shall not prevail against his church.
2. the Holy Spirit will guide his church forever.
3. to be with his church ALL DAYS until the consummation of the world.
Mark 16:15 And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned.
Is it not very clear Mr. Lasenna. When you reject the church founded by Jesus, you will be condemned?
The church founded by Jesus is the new Ark of Salvation. "He that believeth and is baptized, shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall be condemned."
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| Responses- Re: Lasenna, who taught you bible study? Here's an example of poor bible study. - lassena on Nov 2, 6:33 AM
- Again you are saying Jesus was thinking of the other sheep the pygmies of the Philippines. - Beatrice77 on Nov 3, 8:42 PM
- Let me tell you again that pygmies were far from the only people in the Philippines - Tomas on Nov 5, 11:54 AM
- How can an imitation "Iglesia ni Cristo" founded by Felix Manalo be the true church? - Beatrice77 on Nov 2, 10:55 PM
- Lasenna, do you have any independent reference that the Iglesia ni Cristo founded by Felix - Beatrice77 on Nov 3, 7:09 PM
- Similarly you have no proof that the Catholic church was founded by Jesus. - Tomas on Nov 5, 12:17 PM
- Who founded Ebionites and Nazarenes? The Catholic Church? - Beatrice77 on Nov 7, 12:20 AM
- It does not matter who founded these churches. - Tomas on Nov 7, 6:39 AM
- Tomas does not recognize any authority, except his own and his will. - Beatrice77 on Nov 7, 12:34 PM
- I recognize the authority of God, Jesus and the whole Bible. - Tomas on Nov 7, 1:40 PM
- And you have sole authority to speak for God, right? - Beatrice77 on Nov 7, 7:46 PM
- Not sole at all, in fact, it's the Bible that has the real authority. - Tomas on Nov 12, 3:06 PM
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