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2] Tomas and all, consider this scripture: John 6:38

May 13 2016 at 9:00 AM
Michael  (Login tong2012)

 

John 6:38
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

"I have come down from heaven", Jesus said. Clearly, Jesus came down from heaven. He comes from heaven, and have been sent to the world.

Clearly, this passage speaks of Him as preexisting in heaven before He existed on earth.

Here are some questions to think about:

1. Who was He who came down from heaven? Does He have a name? If so, what is His name in heaven?
2. What was His nature of existence in heaven? Is He invisible and immortal?
3. Who is He relative to God?

Do you believe what Jesus says in this verse?

If not, why not?

If you do, how do you answer the 3 questions above? Do you have answers?

 
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  1. My answers: - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 1:00 PM
    1. Re: My answers: - Michael on May 15, 2016, 1:26 AM
      1. My response to your response: - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 3:53 PM
        1. Re: My response to your response: - Michael on May 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
          1. My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 5:08 PM
            1. Re: My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 6:32 AM
              1. About the LORD of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 7:06 PM
                1. Re: About the LORD of hosts. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 2:09 AM
                  1. About Yahweh of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 6:14 PM
                    1. Re: About Yahweh of hosts. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 7:18 AM
                      1. What does that mean? - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:51 AM
                      2. Re: What does that mean? - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 3:03 AM
                      3. What is Yahweh of hosts? - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      4. Re: What is Yahweh of hosts? - Michael on Jul 15, 2016, 1:12 PM
                      5. King of kings and Lord of lords. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 8:36 PM
                      6. God is the King of kings and the Lord of Lords. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 3:38 AM
                      7. The same is true of Christ. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 12:11 AM
                      8. That's right, and that's the point. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 4:30 AM
                      9. That does not prove Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:17 PM
                      10. For you, I understand. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:02 AM
                      11. The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:04 PM
                      12. Re: The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 8:08 AM
                      13. You think it teaches Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
                      14. And you think it doesn't, or it may or may not. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 6:05 AM
                      15. It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 6:22 PM
                      16. Re: It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Michael on Oct 1, 2016, 11:43 PM
                      17. Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
                      18. Re: Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 9:18 AM
                      19. The task was somewhat simpler for the Bereans. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 9:36 PM
                      20. Simpler or more difficult, is not the matter. - Michael on Oct 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
                      21. Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 9:09 PM
                      22. Re: Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      23. Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 1:27 AM
                      24. Re: Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 2:56 AM
                      25. But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 2:05 AM
                      26. Re: But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 6:42 PM
                      27. The principle is Bible alone. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2016, 3:30 AM
                      28. Re: The principle is Bible alone. - Michael on Dec 19, 2016, 5:40 AM
                      29. I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
                      30. Re: I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:14 AM
                      31. Of course, I am not infallible. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:30 AM
                      32. Re: Of course, I am not infallible. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:42 AM
                      33. I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 AM
                      34. Re: I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:58 PM
                      35. God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      36. Re: God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:36 AM
                      37. God just won't give us new understanding today. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      38. Re: God just won't give us new understanding today. - Michael on Feb 6, 2017, 3:26 AM
                      39. I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      40. Re: I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 3:04 AM
                      41. I can't receive new understanding from God, none of us can. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:24 PM
                      42. Re: I can't receive new understanding from God, none of us can. - Michael on Apr 20, 2017, 8:36 AM
                      43. Of course to God it would not be new understanding. - Tomas on Apr 30, 2017, 1:20 AM
                      44. Re: Of course to God it would not be new understanding. - Michael on May 3, 2017, 7:20 AM
                      45. So then since you have nothing more to say, then OK, we agree to disagree. - Tomas on May 13, 2017, 10:38 PM
     
  2. John 6:38 does not speak o Christ as preexisting in heaven. - INCquisitor on May 15, 2016, 9:15 AM
    1. How is John 6:38 a figure of speech? - Michael on May 15, 2016, 12:05 PM
      1. Re: How is John 6:38 a figure of speech? - INCquisitor on May 20, 2016, 5:24 PM
        1. What type of figure of speech is John 6:38, if you say it is? - Michael on May 21, 2016, 12:11 PM
          1. It is immaterial what figure of speech is John 6:38. - INCquisitor on May 22, 2016, 9:17 AM
            1. It is. For if you can't tell us, then you have no basis of saying it is a figure of speech - Michael on May 22, 2016, 10:11 AM
              1. If Jesus PHYSICALLY pre-existed in heaven, WHAT was he? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2016, 9:21 AM
                1. If he physically preexisted, maybe he preexisted as a form. But he likely preexisted spi- - Tomas on May 29, 2016, 11:41 PM
                2. Who said Jesus PHYSICALLY preexisted in heaven? - Michael on May 31, 2016, 11:47 AM
     
  3. Perhaps you can tell us what you think of John 6:38. - INCquisitor on Jun 12, 2016, 8:52 AM
    1. John 6:38 speaks of Him to have come down from heaven to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jun 17, 2016, 5:14 AM
     
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