My answers:May 14 2016 at 1:00 PM
|Tomas (Login TomasSedlacek)|
Response to 2] Tomas and all, consider this scripture: John 6:38
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
"I have come down from heaven", Jesus said. Clearly, Jesus came down from heaven. He comes from heaven, and have been sent to the world.
Clearly, this passage speaks of Him as preexisting in heaven before He existed on earth.
Here are some questions to think about:
1. Who was He who came down from heaven? Does He have a name? If so, what is His name in heaven?
2. What was His nature of existence in heaven? Is He invisible and immortal?
3. Who is He relative to God?
Do you believe what Jesus says in this verse?
If not, why not?
If you do, how do you answer the 3 questions above? Do you have answers?
My answers: Yes, I believe totally in what Jesus says in this verse, I believe everything anyone inspired says in the Bible. So if for example Sadducees claimed there is no life after death, I don't believe that, they were not inspired to say that. Or if Pharisees said Jesus committed blasphemy, I don't believe that. But I believe of course everything Jesus said, he is always infallible. And I believe everything that apostles wrote in the Bible, they were inspired. Likewise what prophets of God wrote in the Bible, they were inspired, it is all true.
So my answers to your other questions:
1. Before he came down from heaven, he was already the Word, and the Son of God. When did he become the Christ, already in preexistence, or was he anointed in Mary, I don't know. God anointed him.
Does he have a name? Now his main name is Jesus. Another name of his is Immanuel. He still has those names in heaven. He did not have those names in his preexistence in heaven. Maybe his name was Michael, that would be true if he is the Archangel. Or possibly he did not have any name. Or his preexistence name is not revealed in the Bible.
2. His nature in his preexistence in heaven was probably as a powerful spirit being. Though I can't completely eliminate the possibility of what some Oneness Pentecostals teach, that in his preexistence he was not a person, but a form. Is he invisible and immortal? Now he is. Back then, in his preexistence, if he was a powerful spirit being, he was invisible too. If he was just a form, he was perhaps visible. But he was not immortal, he died later on the cross. But now he won't die again, he is now immortal.
3. Who is He relative to God? If Oneness Pentecostals are right, he is now in a human spiritual glorified body with God formerly incarnate inside, now dwelling inside, since I believe he no longer has flesh. He is therefore God, the only person of the Godhead.
If Trinitarians or Binitarians are right, he is now the second person of the Godhead, with similarly a glorified human body, where the second person was incarnated, and now dwells, since he no longer has flesh.
If Arian churches are right, he is now a powerful spiritual person, with a spiritual body in which the spirit was incarnated and now dwells, and that spiritual person is the second most powerful person in the world, he might be God's holy Archangel.
But regardless of the theories above, he is God's holy Christ, the anointed King of kings, the Word, our Lord. That's who he is relative to God for sure. And he is faithfully and lovingly obedient to God the Father. So that is his obedient relation to God.
So as you can see, I do have answers. And where the Bible provides us with clear answers, I am dogmatic about my answers. Where the Bible provides us at most with possible hints, about what Jesus might be, I am likewise not able to be dogmatic, I can provide only guesses. I expect we will know far more after we are resurrected. Like Paul wrote, now we see through glass darkly, but when the perfect comes, we will know.
- Re: My answers: - Michael on May 15, 2016, 1:26 AM
- My response to your response: - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 3:53 PM
- Re: My response to your response: - Michael on May 26, 2016, 10:18 AM
- My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 5:08 PM
- Re: My answers to your new or repeated questions. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 6:32 AM
- About the LORD of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 7:06 PM
- Re: About the LORD of hosts. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 2:09 AM
- About Yahweh of hosts. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 6:14 PM
- Re: About Yahweh of hosts. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 7:18 AM
- What does that mean? - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:51 AM
- Re: What does that mean? - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 3:03 AM
- What is Yahweh of hosts? - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 10:26 PM
- Re: What is Yahweh of hosts? - Michael on Jul 15, 2016, 1:12 PM
- King of kings and Lord of lords. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 8:36 PM
- God is the King of kings and the Lord of Lords. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 3:38 AM
- The same is true of Christ. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 12:11 AM
- That's right, and that's the point. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 4:30 AM
- That does not prove Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:17 PM
- For you, I understand. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:02 AM
- The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:04 PM
- Re: The Bible does not teach Christ is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 8:08 AM
- You think it teaches Christ is God. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:46 PM
- And you think it doesn't, or it may or may not. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 6:05 AM
- It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 6:22 PM
- Re: It does not teach he is God, or is not God. - Michael on Oct 1, 2016, 11:43 PM
- Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 12:16 AM
- Re: Well, different Christians think they see different things in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 9:18 AM
- The task was somewhat simpler for the Bereans. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 9:36 PM
- Simpler or more difficult, is not the matter. - Michael on Oct 22, 2016, 11:14 PM
- Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 9:09 PM
- Re: Your solution does not lessen the differences. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
- Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 1:27 AM
- Re: Start off with their prejudices and biases to their belief? - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 2:56 AM
- But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 2:05 AM
- Re: But many verses are difficult even for Christians. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 6:42 PM
- The principle is Bible alone. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2016, 3:30 AM
- Re: The principle is Bible alone. - Michael on Dec 19, 2016, 5:40 AM
- I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 10:20 PM
- Re: I am not quite sure how to understand those two verses. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:14 AM
- Of course, I am not infallible. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:30 AM
- Re: Of course, I am not infallible. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:42 AM
- I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:25 AM
- Re: I gave you the alternate theories of how to understand it. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:58 PM
- God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:25 PM
- Re: God won't today give us understanding of anything. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:36 AM
- God just won't give us new understanding today. - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 11:25 PM
- Re: God just won't give us new understanding today. - Michael on Feb 6, 2017, 3:26 AM
- I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 2:26 AM
- Re: I don't know how else to explain it, I would be repeating myself. - Michael on Feb 12, 2017, 3:04 AM
- I can't receive new understanding from God, none of us can. - Tomas on Mar 19, 2017, 7:24 PM
- Re: I can't receive new understanding from God, none of us can. - Michael on Apr 20, 2017, 8:36 AM
- Of course to God it would not be new understanding. - Tomas on Apr 30, 2017, 1:20 AM
- Re: Of course to God it would not be new understanding. - Michael on May 3, 2017, 7:20 AM
- So then since you have nothing more to say, then OK, we agree to disagree. - Tomas on May 13, 2017, 10:38 PM