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Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21).

May 19 2017 at 9:10 AM
Michael  (Login tong2012)


Response to Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21).

 
INCquisitor:

Jesus said God did not send him into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

It is clear as day that "world" refers to sinners, and sinners are those whose sins have not been forgiven by God.

Since only those who have been "delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of God's son IN WHOM there is redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:13-14), and will therefore, be saved, then "world" refers to those who have not been translated to the kingdom of God's son.

Me:

<<"world" refers to those who have not been translated to the kingdom of God's son.>>

Were there people already translated to the kingdom of God's Son before God sent His Son into the world?

INCQUISITOR:

The answer is obvious. "God SENT His son into the world that through him the world might be saved" (John 3:17). The kingdom of God's son was not yet established before God SENT him into the world. Hence, it stands to reason that NOBODY was translated to the kingdom of God's son BEFORE God SENT Jesus into the world.

Me:

So, if you say that NOBODY was translated to the kingdom of God's son BEFORE God SENT Jesus into the world, then would it not stand to your reason that the "world" actually refers to all then?

INCQUISITOR:

At the time Jesus spoke his words written in John 3:17, Jesus was referring to ALL human beings when he said "world." Today, "world" as used by Jesus refers only to SINNERS or people who have NOT been translated to the kingdom of God's son, IN WHOM there is REDEMPTION and forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:13-14).

ME:

Here's our past conversations:
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Michael:

You said "Jesus said that God sent him into the world that through him the world might be saved (John 3:17)".

Who do you say the "world" refer to? All of man or not?

INCQUISITOR:

Anyone who is NOT a member of the church that Christ built is the "world."

Michael:

The "world" in John 3:17, is mentioned trice. Does "world" have the same meaning in all of the times it was used in the verse, for you?

INCQUISITOR:

Yes, the "world" mentioned in John 3:17 has the same meaning in all the three times that it was mentioned in the verse. They all refer to "sinners" or people who are not members of the church that Christ built.
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So, here's what the "world" in John 3:17 is for you, which you cited in your gospel post:

First:

Anyone who is NOT a member of the church that Christ built is the "world."

Then:

refer to "sinners" or people who are not members of the church that Christ built.

Then:

"world" refers to those who have not been translated to the kingdom of God's son.

Then:

referring to ALL human beings when he said "world."

So, in the final analysis, what does John 3:17 tells you, with all these ever changing "world"?

 
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  1. Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - INCquisitor on May 21, 2017, 5:08 PM
    1. Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - Michael on May 22, 2017, 9:14 AM
      1. Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - INCquisitor on May 22, 2017, 3:26 PM
        1. Re: Jesus was sent to save sinners (Matt. 1:21). - Michael on May 22, 2017, 8:19 PM
     
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