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The issue Jesus reacted to was the tradition of washing hands.

May 28 2017 at 1:25 AM
Tomas  (Login TomasSedlacek)


Response to Re: Jesus was responding to criticism in Mt. 15:2 about them eating with unwashed hands.

 

It is wrong to isolate the verses without looking at the context. The disciples were not criticized for eating non-kosher food. They were criticized for eating with unwashed hands. So they continued eating only kosher food.

INCQUISITOR:

What you are saying is NOT found in the words of Jesus written in Mt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15. What Jesus clearly says in these scriptures does not have anything to do with eating with unwashed hands. Jesus says that ANYTHING that ENTERS a person's mouth for WHATEVER reason, does NOT defile that person before the eyes of God. The words of Jesus are TRUE regardless of context.

Tomas:

Jesus did not say 'for whatever reason'. Sinful eating does not defile us, but it is still a sin, and we pay a price for whatever sin we commit.

INCQUISITOR:

You say, "Sinful eating does not defile us, but it is still a sin,..." Tomas, what you say dos not make sense. It only proves that you DON'T know what Jesus meant by "DEFILE." The dictionary defines "defile" as "to make unclean or impure." Only SIN can make a person "unclean or impure" before the eyes of God.

Hence, Jesus is saying that "there is NOTHING that ENTERS a man from outside which can DEFILE (make a man UNCLEAN or IMPURE); but the things which come out of him, those are the things that DEFILE (make unclean or impure) a man" (Mark 7:15).

In other words, eating ANYTHING is NOT sin because FOOD (whether kosher or non-kosher, offered to idols or blood as non-Jews normally ate during Jesus' time) is USUALLY something that ENTERS a man from OUTSIDE.

Jesus explained his reason for saying that "there is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him." Jesus said to his disciples, " Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that WHATEVER enters a man from outside CANNOT defile (make unclean or impure) him, because it DOES NOT ENTER HIS HEART but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods" (Mark 7:18-19).

Tomas, why is this so hard for you to digest?

Tomas:

Jesus was reacting to the issue of the Pharisee tradition of washing hands before eating. So Jesus was not disagreeing with the words in Acts 15, nor with his own later words in Rev. 2, condemning eating of food offered to idols.

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Tomas:

Jesus was responding to criticism in Mt. 15:2, about why he allows his disciples to eat with unwashed hands, going against the traditions of elders. Notice that they were not criticizing his disciples for eating non-kosher meat or blood or food offered to idols. Those were forbidden by the law of Moses, so Jesus of course would not permit that. But he permitted eating without washing hands first, which did not break the law of Moses, but it broke the traditions of men, so Jesus knew it was not sinful, it did not break any laws of God. So no wonder that in Acts 10, when Peter got this vision of formerly unclean animals and was told to eat them, he protested that he had never eaten any such things. And he was right of course, they did not do that. That would have been a sin, and Jesus does not allow sin. So he would not lead his disciples into sin. So Peter was taught in Acts 10 that now such food is no longer sinful. So he then could teach that to others. So then Holy Spirit taught them in Acts 15, that the Law of Moses is no longer in effect, so they just need to abstain from fornication, eating blood, strangled animals, and food offered to idols. And Jesus himself reaffirmed this decision in Rev. 2.

INCQUISITOR:

Whether Jesus was responding to criticisms in Mt. 15:2 or not, the TRUTH is, EVERY word that comes out of Jesus' mouth is TRUE, don't you agree? Therefore, what Jesus said in Mt. 15:11 and Mark 7:15 is TRUE whether you like it or not.

Apostle John writes in John 3:36 that whoever does NOT believe the son of God will not see life but the wrath of God abides in him.

Tomas:

All words of Jesus are true. But you have to look at the context, to see what Jesus really meant. He was reacting to the tradition in Judaism, or at least Pharisee Judaism, of washing hands before eating, it was a tradition of men and not something mandated by the Law of Moses. The fact that Jesus was not saying we can eat anything, is proven by Peter's response in Acts 10 to the vision, as well as the new regulation, inspired by the Holy Spirit, in Acts 15, and remember, what the Holy Spirit inspires, is always true, since the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. And then later Jesus himself reaffirmed this decision of Acts 15 in Rev. 2, when he condemned fornication and eating food offered to idols, in two verses, to two separate churches, in that chapter. So don't be like the false prophetess Jezebel, eating food offered to idols.

 
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  1. You are saying that Jeus LIED, aren't you? - INCquisitor on May 28, 2017, 4:27 PM
    1. Jesus did not lie, of course. You just misunderstood what he said there. - Tomas on Jun 10, 2017, 9:29 PM
     
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