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The Pope Infallible/Perfect? -Be Ye Perfect, as your Heavenly Father (Pope??) is Perfect.

September 6 2001 at 8:27 AM
  (Login GinaB)


Response to Felix Manalo annointed by God?

 
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the pope is Perfect/Infallible when he speaks on matters of doctrine. Ralph Woodrow has disproved such a claim by examining many papal statements and decisions throughout history.

The fact is that neither in practice or in doctrine have popes been infallible. Let us notice a few of the hundreds of contradictions to this doctrine of papal infallibility:

Pope Honorious I, after his death, was denounced as a heretic by the Sixth Council in the year 680. Pope Leo confirmed his condemnation. Now if Popes are infallible, how could one condemn the other?

Pope Vigilius, after condemning certain books, removed his condemnation, afterward condemned them again and then retracted his condemnation, then condemned again! Where is infallibility here?

Dueling was authorized by Pope Eugenius III (1145-53). But later Pope Julius II (1509) and Pope Pius IV (1506) forbade it.

In the eleventh century there were three rival popes at the same time, all of which were deposed by the council convened by the emperor Henry III. Later in the same century, Clement III was opposed by Victor III and afterwards by Urban II. How could popes be infallible when they opposed one another?

Then came the “great schism” in 1378 that lasted for fifty years. Italians elected Urban VI and the French cardinals chose Clement VII. The popes cursed each other year after year until a council deposed both and elected another!

Pope Sixtus V had a version of the Bible prepared which he declared to be authentic. Two years later Pope Clement VIII declared that it was full of errors and ordered that another be made!

Pope Gregory I repudiated the title of “universal bishop” as being “profane, superstitious, haughty, and invented by the first apostate” (Epistola 5:20-7:33). Yet through the centuries, other popes have claimed the title. How then can we say that popes are infallible in defining doctrine, if they directly contradict one another?

Pope Hadrian II (867-872) declared civil marriages to be valid, but Pope Pius VII (1800-1823) condemned them as invalid.

Pope Eugene IV (1431-1447) condemned Joan of Arc to be burned at the stake as a witch. Later, another pope, Benedict IV, declared her to be a “saint.” Could this be papal infallibility??

How could all popes be infallible when a number of popes themselves denied such a teaching? Vigilinus, Innocent III, Clement IV, Gregory XI, Hadrian IV, and Paul IV all rejected the doctrine of papal infallibility. Could an infallible pope be infallible and not know it? Is this Perfection?!




 
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  1. Gina, you are in the wrong forum - lumpen on Sep 6, 9:41 AM
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  3. You quoted Ralph Woodrow, are you sure... - Didache on Sep 6, 12:22 PM
    1. The INC never taught about Manalo's infallibility, the Catholic Church did! Is it true that Popes ar - pilosopo on Sep 6, 12:35 PM
      1. That's why I used the word "implicit" in ... - Didache on Sep 6, 5:04 PM
     
  4. Gina B, the RCC has to eat this one... - Unitarian Man on Sep 6, 2:52 PM
    1. I think you are the one... - Didache on Sep 6, 6:34 PM
      1. Didache, do you really believe that? What if i can - Uitarian Man on Sep 7, 12:48 PM
        1. No problem, as long as... - Didache on Sep 7, 3:56 PM
     
  5. GinaB...Are you making a indirect admission about.... - Gordon Cancio (Catholic) on Sep 6, 3:10 PM
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