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  1. A Trinitarian says God is NOT an IDIOT. View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 2, 2015, 3:10 PM
    1. And an anti-trinitarian would say the opposite, is that right INCquisitor? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 3:33 AM
      1. An anti-Trinitarian CONCURS with the Trinitarian that God is NOT an IDIOT - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 4:40 AM
        1. Is the INC not an anti-trinitarian? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 5:38 AM
    2. This is not worth a response since you remain in your fatal errors about John 8:40 and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 3, 2015, 8:22 AM
     
  2. Understanding John 3:5 - "born of water and the Spirit." View Thread - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 4:43 AM
    1. up for those who desire to know the truth. - INCquisitor on Mar 3, 2015, 4:09 AM
      1. The Holy Spirit baptism is necessary for the new birth, not water baptism. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:20 PM
    2. That is an erroneous understanding of what it means to be born again. - Michael on Mar 5, 2015, 7:41 PM
      1. You haven't told us your understaning of HOW one is born again. - INCquisitor on Mar 6, 2015, 5:29 AM
        1. Oh, so you do want to know. - Michael on Mar 6, 2015, 7:08 PM
          1. Your knowledge of how to be "born again" is NOT accurate. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:05 PM
            1. And your knowledge of how one is born again is wrong. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:44 PM
              1. I didn't realize you are dense! - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 4:16 PM
                1. I do know, as others here know, that you have a comprehension problem. - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 6:35 PM
                  1. UP for INCquisitor - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 11:22 PM
      2. I'm not sure I understand what a "born again" Christian is. Can you in just 3 or 4 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 6, 2015, 7:53 AM
        1. Those who are born again are the Christians. All true Christians then are born again. - Michael on Mar 6, 2015, 7:24 PM
          1. I agree. All who have the Spirit of God, are born again, regardless if they - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:13 PM
            1. God bless you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 9:29 PM
              1. Why did John the Baptist insist on baptism and he even water baptized Jesus if baptism is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 10:49 AM
                1. On your questions Guenter. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 11:17 PM
          2. But wouldn't you agree that the majority of Roman Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox catholic, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 10:59 AM
            1. I would agree to hope Guenter, that they do. - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 6:54 PM
              1. Amen - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 8:19 PM
        2. A true "born again" Christian is one who is "born of the WILL of God" (John 1:12 - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:15 PM
          1. One who is "born again" is him who has the Spirit of God dwelling in him. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:53 PM
            1. Anyone who has not DONE the WILL of the Father "practices lawlessness." - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 4:28 AM
              1. Evading again INCquisitor? Well. . . . . I'm used to it now. - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 6:58 PM
              2. Is there anyone who doesn't? Maybe you're the only one without sin. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 8:24 PM
     
  3. HOW JESUS SAVES View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 7:55 AM
    1. You still have your INC brainwashed mind. None of the Greek scripts are saying Church of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 10:22 AM
      1. What you are saying is out of topic. - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:41 PM
        1. And His church is, according to the Apostles, the Church of God. Just another evidence - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:53 PM
          1. What the apostles say CANNOT prevail over what Jesus said. - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:00 AM
            1. So God inspired the Apostles to say something wrong? Show me a Greek script that says - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 7:59 AM
            2. So God made the Apostles telling lies. Wow, INCquisitor, good luck on Judgment Day! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 2015, 8:08 PM
            3. INCquisitor has no response, but accuses Christians to b pigs. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:34 PM
            4. where is your proof weird, confused, crazy multi-celled organism? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:07 AM
    2. Who Jesus is, and who the church is. - Michael on Feb 18, 2015, 10:07 PM
    3. HOW GOD SAVES. - Michael on Mar 3, 2015, 7:34 PM
      1. And those who deny the Son to have the nature of His Father do not believe in the Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 3, 2015, 8:36 PM
      2. If the son is God, why don't you believe what he said in John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Mar 5, 2015, 4:29 AM
        1. Hahahaha! How about you weird guy? - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:37 AM
          1. Read John 17:11-12 (TEV). - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:26 PM
        2. You don't know how God saves INCquisitor? - Michael on Mar 5, 2015, 6:42 AM
        3. Every true Christian believes that. As every true Christian does NOT deny the Son the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 5, 2015, 5:02 PM
      3. It is not enough to say you believe in Jesus to be saved. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 4:32 PM
        1. Saying you believe is different from "believing" INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:21 PM
          1. You say you "believe" Jesus, don't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 10, 2015, 3:27 AM
            1. Yes I do, Incquisitor. Believing in Jesus is not a matter of speech, but a matter of life. - Michael on Mar 13, 2015, 6:16 PM
              1. Your understanding of John 8:40 and John 17:3 is TWISTED and FALSE! - INCquisitor on Mar 13, 2015, 7:13 PM
                1. No INCquisitor. Your's is. - Michael on Mar 15, 2015, 7:45 PM
                  1. Mike Incquisitor again used the wore "altered"! - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 7:28 AM
                2. INCquisitor, Mt. 28:19 altered by translators? Then look at it in the original - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:52 AM
                  1. I don't understand Greek, the apostles did. But..... - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 8:22 AM
                    1. LOL, INCquisitor, you're still a full INC. Choosing the Bible version that fits your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 22, 2015, 11:06 AM
                      1. My elementary grammar is fine. - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      2. You sure are hard-headed. It taught you Tritheism, not Trinity. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 5:42 PM
                      3. Whether it is tritheism or trinity, you are bone-headed to believe that... - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 6:18 PM
                      4. INCquisitor: A shameless display of hardheadedness and lack of comprehension - Michael on Mar 24, 2015, 7:18 PM
                      5. One God PLUS one God PLUS one God equals THREE Gods. Hard to comprehend? You bet! - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:42 PM
                      6. one God TIMES one God TIMES one God equals one God! hahahahaha! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:50 AM
                      7. That is what is called Tritheism INCquisitor, not Trinity. Hard to comprehend? - Michael on Mar 26, 2015, 9:31 AM
                    2. hahahaha, abide by the words of Jesus and sometimes NOT! hahahahahahahaha! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:47 AM
                    3. INCquisitor, the apostles understood the Aramaic of Mt. 28:19, - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:59 PM
     
  4. Did any of you anti-trinitarians -- especially INCquisitor -- ever read Galatians 1:1? View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 17, 2015, 6:44 AM
    1. In Gal. 1:1 Paul does not say that Jesus Christ is God. - INCquisitor on Mar 17, 2015, 6:20 PM
      1. Gal. 1:1 speaks of the apostleship of Paul. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:01 AM
      2. Oh well, INCquisitor defends his false understanding of John 17:3 and John 8:40 by - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:04 PM
      3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:42 AM
        1. That is not a nice Christian reaction to him, of you. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:26 AM
          1. ok I'm sorry about what I've said against incquisitor. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:49 AM
            1. The commandment 'you shall not kill' has been mistranslated - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
              1. ok Tomas, kill anyone that threaten your country. - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 11:03 PM
                1. God now inspires us only by us reading the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:41 PM
    2. If Paul's authority as an apostle comes from Christ, consequently, Paul's - Wayne on Mar 18, 2015, 2:07 AM
      1. Gal. 1:1 strictly speaking talks about the apostleship of Paul and not of the twelve. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:06 AM
        1. Paul knew that Jesus is a MAN and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Mar 18, 2015, 3:45 PM
          1. We know that too. But Paul ALSO knew -- what you don't know -- that Christ was not just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:18 PM
            1. Are you saying that Paul knew what YOU know that I don't know? - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 4:23 AM
              1. The only contradictions in the Bible are being created by you, INCqusitor. Unfortunately , - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 7:41 AM
          2. But Paul knew more than what you do about that. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 6:33 PM
            1. God being savior and Jesus being savior too does not make Jesus God. - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 3:27 PM
              1. For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 20, 2015, 8:50 AM
                1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 7:57 AM
                  1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 6:19 PM
                    1. True Christians are disciples of Christ (Acts 11:26; John 8:31). - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:39 PM
                      1. It's not an interpretation, INCquisitor. Those are the true words of Paul, inspired by God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 26, 2015, 7:03 AM
                      2. INCquisitor deviates for the nth time as his final refutation attempt. - Michael on Mar 26, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      3. Bravo, Michael. I couldn't have said your summation better myself! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
          3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:48 AM
            1. Answer me wise guy, did Jesus say he is man and God? - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 8:01 AM
              1. hehehe the weird guy asking me weird questions! - Karlos on Mar 23, 2015, 8:34 AM
                1. So you don;t believe what YOUR god Jesus say in John 17:11-12 TEV? - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 4:04 AM
                  1. hahaha, John 17:11-12???? - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:38 AM
                    1. hahahaha the weirdiest weird guy has no answer! I thought you are an expert! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:57 AM
                  2. fccc in this forum! that is a joke isn't it? fccc is a fake and false church! - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:45 AM
                  3. where are your answer incquisitor! tsk tsk tsk! lol! - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 AM
        2. An apostle means someone who is sent - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:50 PM
        3. Although Christ is man in his state of being, it is wrong to - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 3:18 PM
          1. No man whatsoever was involved in any way in the commissioning of Paul as an apostle. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 6:12 PM
            1. It's like telling the Catholics that their Pope was sent by men - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 6:59 PM
              1. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:19 PM
                1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 5:02 AM
                  1. 1. Your presumption is incorrect. 2. If the President of the US is being elected by the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 20, 2015, 7:33 AM
                    1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 4:07 PM
                      1. God sends all preachers of the gospel, even if they are unsaved. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:27 AM
                      2. I already told you, your presumption is incorrect. Now I presume you know that God gave - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 10:06 AM
                      3. Having been elected by human's free will, is the Pope God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 5:54 AM
                      4. I don't know. Maybe a Catholic can answer that best. Are YOU Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 22, 2015, 8:42 AM
                      5. Is your religious leader [religious organization you belong] God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      6. I guess I know now why you're repeating your question and not answering mine. You must be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 23, 2015, 7:29 AM
      2. The NRSV translation is not a true translation. It's an interpretation. For a serious - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:29 PM
        1. Just the same. Any translation need to be interpreted. - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:52 PM
          1. Not by the translator. His duty is to translate. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. NRSV was tranlated by groups from Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 8:07 PM
              1. So? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:17 PM
                1. I think these group of Trinitarian scholars have better understanding - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 12:34 AM
                  1. Maybe, maybe not. What speaks against them is that the vast majority of accomplished - TION on Mar 21, 2015, 9:49 AM
                  2. My previous: "Maybe, maybe not." came under a false name. Sorry. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 3:39 PM
     
  5. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:16 PM
    1. Engelberto, is your father's name Felix? I'm not kidding: My INC teacher was Felix Lim. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:37 PM
     
  6. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
    1. The devil makes people happy on earth. God's Kingdom is not from this world, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 PM
     
  7. INC Convert Story View Thread - Bryan X on Sep 17, 2004, 7:26 PM
    1. Did Michael marry Sister Margie Javier? - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:41 PM
      1. Do INC Filipino women convert only jellyfish girlie white men? Like BGC, Bible Student, - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:40 PM
      2. VERITAS, you are losing your mind. LoL! - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:41 AM
    2. A Baptist believed that the Catholic Church was the apostate church. - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:50 PM
      1. Yes, Baptists too are usually divisive. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:26 AM
    3. A Protestant prays for a Catholic's conversion, got himself converted - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:23 PM
    4. Hundreds of Catholic conversions - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:35 PM
    5. Convert Story: A Former Catholic Priest who became INC - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 17, 2004, 10:40 PM
    6. Another Convert Story: A Former Nun Bidding Farewell to the Nunnery - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 18, 2004, 12:55 AM
    7. Journey of a lowly pilgrim. - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:20 AM
    8. Journey to God. Part 1 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:23 AM
    9. Journey to God, Part 2 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:26 AM
    10. Journey to God, Part 3 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:28 AM
    11. I can't forget the former members of ADD converting to INC. - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:57 AM
    12. Another INC Convert Story - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 11:23 AM
      1. The Happiest Moment In My Life - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 9:15 PM
    13. INC Convert Story (To Islam) - Bro RSP on Sep 18, 2004, 12:05 PM
      1. Be careful, Islam is a false gospel. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:21 AM
    14. A former INC's story. - Veritas ††† on Sep 19, 2004, 6:25 PM
     
  8. BECOMING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS IN CHRIST View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 8:59 AM
    1. So you agree that babies need to be baptized? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 9:45 AM
      1. Where did I say babies need to be baptized? - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:53 PM
        1. I'm sorry I misunderstood you when you said: Therefore, Christ CANNOT die for the sins of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:50 PM
          1. As I said, babies do not commit sin. Therefore, Christ need not die - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:04 AM
            1. But didn't Jesus also say: “I tell you the truth, NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 8:21 AM
              1. Babies are not saved no matter how many times they are baptized - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:25 PM
                1. I will not waste much time commenting on that baloney. Your baloney contradicts Jesus who - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:02 AM
                  1. I know, Lutherans believe water baptism is necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:26 AM
                    1. Jesus didn't speak of water baptism in John 3:5, so nobody but you is speaking of just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:33 AM
                      1. I did speak of the Spirit baptism, that one saves us. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:03 PM
              2. Peter said, "let everyone be baptized for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38). - INCquisitor on Feb 22, 2015, 6:47 PM
                1. Now you're saying what Peter said overrides what Jesus said. Hhhhmm. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 10:41 AM
                  1. Children is not limited to babies.Adults are children too. - INCquisitor on Feb 26, 2015, 4:25 AM
                    1. You're totally losing it, INCquisitor. Let's summarize one more time. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 9:04 AM
                  2. Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - INCquisitor on Feb 27, 2015, 7:05 PM
                    1. Babies are sinful, but their baptism is futile, they still don't have faith. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:43 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:49 AM
                      2. One commandment or law is we have to believe. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:32 PM
                    2. Re:Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 12:33 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlwessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:44 AM
                      2. Let's agree that we disagree. You're sayin when Jesus said NO ONE he didn't mean to say - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 9:18 AM
                      3. The doctrine of "original sin" is FALSE. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      4. 'All have sinned' (Rom 3:23). - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 8:09 AM
                      5. The epistles were addressed to people who knew how to read. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 5:32 PM
                      6. Who knew how to read or who had the epistles read to them. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:40 AM
                      7. Tomas, sin is transgression of God's law. Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 1:28 PM
                      8. One commandment or law is we have to believe. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:43 AM
    2. Point of clarification INCquisitor, before anything else. - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:27 AM
      1. Do these simple questions shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:06 AM
        1. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:49 PM
      2. Read my post to find answers to your questions. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:25 PM
        1. Nothing in there that answers my questions INCquisitor. That's why I ask. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:56 PM
          1. No one can answer your questions for you. You alone know the answers - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 1:21 PM
            1. So, that just means you don't really know what you are talking about. - Michael on Mar 14, 2015, 10:49 PM
              1. You put meaning to everything I say but I don't care. - INCquisitor on Mar 15, 2015, 11:52 AM
                1. Yes you don't care to explain what you mean to say and expect people to understand you? - Michael on Mar 15, 2015, 6:22 PM
     
  9. What do the Catholics say about the phrase "Was God" in John 1:1 View Thread - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 2:21 PM
    1. Predication simply means it is the grammatical predicate there. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:15 AM
     
  10. Different view for John 8:58 View Thread - Renan on Feb 26, 2015, 5:09 AM
    1. You're stretching it beyond belief. Why don't you check the Bible verses that also say - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 9:33 AM
      1. I think you are committing fallacy of obscure definition. - Renan on Feb 26, 2015, 4:51 PM
        1. Do you have any proof for your accusation? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 7:57 PM
          1. You are defining a Greek word with another Greek word. - Renan on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42 PM
            1. And in none of them can you find "from the grave". So, who is committing the fallacy? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 5:07 PM
              1. G1096 gínomai: "to become, i. e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being" - Renan on Mar 8, 2015, 8:40 PM
                1. You're stretching it again. We agree on the meaning of G1096. To give it any other or - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 10, 2015, 4:30 PM
    2. Renan, such view is erroneous. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 9:16 PM
      1. If Christ was talking about "death", what death was he talking about? - Renan on Mar 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
        1. Not physical death, for sure. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 1:55 AM
          1. Spiritual death....... when will this death be? - Renan on Mar 10, 2015, 3:25 PM
            1. On death. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 11:33 PM
    3. The key to understanding John 8:58 is John 8:56. - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 4:26 AM
      1. Regardless of John 8:56, verse 58 is clear that the Son existed already - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:50 AM
     
 
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