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  1. Last word for Tomas -- and all other anti-trinitarians: If you can't accept the simple View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 4:48 PM
    1. John 1:1 VS John 8:40 and John 17:3. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 5:14 PM
      1. Does INCquisitor here compares scriptures or wants scriptures to refute scriptures? - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:59 PM
        1. That's where we differ. You don't have a hierarchy of values. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:18 PM
          1. Have hierarchy of values? Where did you get that? - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 9:27 PM
            1. Re: If you keep up with your erroneous way of reading and understanding scriptures, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 9:52 AM
            2. If John believed that Jesus is God, why did he write John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:42 PM
              1. And why not? You should not stop asking that to yourself. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 12:39 AM
                1. Did God inspire the apostles to contradict Jeus? I don't believe God did. - INCquisitor on Mar 11, 2015, 6:41 PM
                  1. Of course NOT. It's a question really that should not be even asked by a Christian. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 2:01 AM
                    1. Of course, the words and teachings of Jesus PREVAIL over anyone's words and INTERPRETATION - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2015, 3:37 PM
                      1. Of course. No argument about that. But all scriptures are God's words. - Michael on Mar 13, 2015, 12:04 AM
          2. There is no hierarchy in the Bible, the word of God. All verses are equally true. There is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 9:48 AM
            1. You believe that there were two Gods in the beginning, don't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:47 PM
              1. Who gave you the idea there are two Gods? Satan? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 11, 2015, 12:37 PM
      2. It's not John vs Jesus. It's John in harmony with Jesus. If you disagree, you're saying - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 7:46 AM
        1. It is your INTERRETATION of John 1:1 that makes Jesus a liar. - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:50 PM
          1. Oh yes, John did identify Jesus, when he said: "The Word became flesh and made his - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 11, 2015, 12:56 PM
    2. Guenter, theia is feminine of theios 'divine'. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 10:59 PM
     
  2. "Form of God". Can you tell? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 3:58 AM
    1. Up for those who can tell. Those who can't need not answer the questions herein. - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:04 AM
      1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in a form of God. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:54 AM
        1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in the form of God. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 7:31 PM
          1. a form - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:17 AM
            1. Form of God. Scriptures speaks not of "Forms". - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 4:15 AM
              1. A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:38 PM
                1. Re: A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 10:24 AM
                  1. michael's faith is based on "imply" - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:02 AM
                    1. really? where can I read that he said that? I want to see it, show me? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 6:38 AM
                  2. Michael, my answers about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
                    1. Tomas, my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 4:39 PM
                      1. Michael, my comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      2. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 24, 2014, 9:54 PM
                      3. Michael, more comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:46 PM
                      4. Re: Michael, more comments. - Michael on Jan 9, 2015, 8:49 PM
                      5. My answer to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      6. The truth will set you free Tomas. Do you know who set you free? - Michael on Feb 2, 2015, 5:44 PM
                      7. Jesus set me free by dying for me and giving me the gospel truth thru the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:14 AM
                      8. Before you guys, but especially Tomas, are getting more and more confused about Koin Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:00 PM
                      9. The author is right of course that in John 1:1 - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:04 PM
                      10. You're wrong again, and again, and again, and again..... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 10:28 AM
                      11. Did your professor friend tell you that word order makes a difference, - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:24 PM
                      12. Re: Jesus set me free by dying for me and giving me the gospel truth thru the Bible. - Michael on Mar 11, 2015, 5:42 AM
                      13. I don't want you to miss that... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:04 PM
        2. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. The truth is: 1. The Greek language - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
          1. True, English can sometimes also have a noun with no article. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:18 PM
            1. You're missing the point. YOU: no definite article in Greek needs to be translated with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 2:44 PM
              1. In John 1:1 the definite translation, the God, is grammatically plausible, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:28 PM
                1. You not correct twofold: Greek grammar also relies on context. If the context does not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:47 PM
                  1. Of course the context can be important. But there is nothing in the context - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:28 PM
                    1. Having one God plus a god, making it two, is not out of context? A monotheistic religion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:59 PM
                      1. Nothing in that context calls for not having gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:10 PM
                      2. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:48 PM
                      3. No, he did not call them false gods, but gods. q - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:47 PM
                      4. Those "gods" in Psalm 82:6 were already humans, born to two human parents and appointed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 6:21 PM
                      5. So what? Sure they died, and so did Jesus. He rose again, so will they. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:48 PM
                      6. LOL, they rose after three days and are sitting at the right hand of God? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:38 PM
                      7. Of course not, in those things that god was special. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:43 AM
                      8. Oh? Now he is not the same god like all the others as you were claiming all the time? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:20 PM
                      9. He is the same in having the word of God. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:27 AM
                      10. Your father is greater than you too. At least, I hope so. You obeyed him. But you're both - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:46 AM
                      11. Like Father like Son? - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:39 AM
                      12. I see you disagree with your mule analogy. You're an anti-trinitarian of the worst kind. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      13. Why would monogenes disprove the mule analogy? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:20 AM
                      14. I found another verse that clearly tells us the Son is God. John 1:18 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 2015, 9:30 AM
                      15. One problem with this verse is that different Greek manuscripts - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:27 AM
                      16. Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses have to continue with their lie that "Theos" means "a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 5:07 PM
                      17. Sometimes theos does mean a god. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:10 PM
                      18. I told you in another thread you need brain surgery if you don't understand that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:46 AM
                      19. I am not accusing you of needing brain surgery just because - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      20. I told you in another thread you didn't realize my sarcasm talking about brain surgery. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:09 PM
                      21. Well, I would not use such impolite sarcasm with you. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:16 PM
    2. what is your point... - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 10:03 PM
      1. TF, if you don't know, that is understandable. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:29 PM
        1. open your cards.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:20 PM
    3. God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - tf on Nov 16, 2014, 5:14 PM
      1. Re: God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - Karlos on Nov 16, 2014, 10:18 PM
        1. why don't you try to measure it yourself - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 1:56 AM
          1. so you cannot answer my question? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 4:53 AM
            1. so tf, why so afraid to comment on 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Nov 21, 2014, 5:53 AM
              1. Not afraid Karlos. TF just can't see such a bright light as 1 Peter 1:11. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:43 PM
                1. I'm afraid that is the case! But I'm still optimistic that one day they will see the light - Karlos on Nov 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
                  1. Well, seeing is one thing. But believing is another. - Michael on Nov 24, 2014, 4:30 AM
      2. That's right TF. God is spirit and to be visible can put on the physical. - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:12 PM
        1. that is wrong even when Jesus is on earth he declared that God is spirit unlike him - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:19 AM
          1. What is wrong TF in my post TF? Point it out. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:32 AM
          2. Jesus is not also spirit? Ah yeah, the INC Bible doesn't have "and the Word became flesh." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 26, 2014, 8:12 AM
            1. Seems INC even don't know what a man is. They speak of things they don't really know of. - Michael on Nov 26, 2014, 2:16 PM
            2. Guenter, the Bibles INC have do say "and the Word became flesh - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
              1. Gosh, Tomas, I know all that crap. Therefore, they don't have it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 11:39 AM
                1. They have it, they just interpret it differently from Christians who believe in - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:12 PM
                  1. Not a gospel doctrine? Only in your sick mind. Anti-trinitarians like you and INC are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:31 PM
                    1. Why do you like to insult so much, like sick mind, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:50 PM
                      1. Not only I but also Michael and others gave you plenty of verses in many years past. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:05 PM
                      2. So I have been discussing the verses, but you are all stubborn, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      3. Why would I say "The Word was God: is wrong when it is not? YOU are the amateur Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      4. Grammatically, either translation would be correct. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:29 PM
                      5. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. Besides, Jesus is called God in other verses - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:36 PM
                      6. Like what other verse? I haven't seen one whose meaning - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:11 PM
                      7. I'm sorry, that's way too much to justify all your grave errors. I will not read it and I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:35 PM
                      8. No, sorry, what I said is if you found such a verse, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:43 PM
                      9. Sorry to hear that you're still rejecting the many true verses in the Bible I gave you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:41 PM
                      10. Sorry to disappoint you, I would like to make you happy, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:37 PM
                      11. It's not interpretation, it's TRANSLATION you are dead wrong on. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      12. Well, sorry, you Greek expert. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      13. I don't rely on my expertise as you so proudly do. You must have missed what I told you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:27 PM
                      14. Well, he was convinced the NT teaches trinity, because - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
                      15. Fine, Tomas, EVERY Greek language scholar who disagrees with your amateurish expertise - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:13 AM
                      16. Are you saying some scholars have no flaw? They are perfect? - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:52 PM
                      17. Not some, EVERY distinguished Greek language scholar you disagree with has a flaw. They - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:33 PM
                      18. All people have flaws, except Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:55 AM
                      19. You'll be saved by the grace of God. Not by the grace of Tomas. So be careful in your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      20. I am saved by the grace of God, not by the grace of myself, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      21. You sure determined that my friend has no salvation. So by the (dis)grace of Tomas he has - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:41 AM
                      22. By the way, if you don't even know the true meaning of "has no salvation" how dare you to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:16 PM
                      23. In 'has no salvation' the verb 'has' is in the present tense, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:59 AM
                      24. If you understand it this way, fine. Although German is not as strict as English when it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
     
  3. prayer to the tritnity View Thread - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:44 AM
    1. You're joking about God.....tsk! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:54 AM
      1. how do u pray tp 6our trinity - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:05 PM
        1. You don't even understand Trinity, otherwise you wouldn't ask a stupid question like that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:12 PM
          1. Amen to that. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:13 AM
          2. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Proof that Michael and I have different vies about Trinity! Or better shut your mouth! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:40 AM
          3. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Who says I am ordinary? Proof it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:41 AM
          4. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:26 AM
            1. Why are you dodging the question where Jesus was before but not Elijah? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:12 AM
          5. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:27 AM
            1. Why do you and your INC cohorts claim Jesus was not prophesied being God by Isaiah when, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:16 AM
      2. Guenter, why is that an invalid prayer, if you believe - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:02 AM
        1. If you consider this: "or the the TRinity is one God?" a part of a prayer, I only can - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:49 AM
          1. OK, so he stuttered in writing, he wrote 'the' twice. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:56 AM
            1. OK, maybe the question mark at the end would indicate some uncertainty - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:59 AM
            2. It's not the double the, tf is questioning the Trinity in a prayer to God. That is NOT a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:47 AM
              1. Have you been certain about every doctrine mentioned - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:45 AM
                1. tf did not ask for enlightening. He is a a convinced INC who gives a sh** about trinity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 2, 2014, 1:31 PM
                  1. He did not mock God as he views him, he mocked your picture - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:38 PM
                    1. He mocked God. And so are you. You're an anti-trinitarian. And I never hated INC, I pity - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:28 PM
                      1. I am not anti-trinitarian, I believe the trinity theory is a possibility. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      2. You're anti-trinitarian for at least two reasons: 1. You claim Jesus was created. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:33 PM
                      3. You have a funny definition of anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      4. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:53 PM
                      5. You say here that anyone who says Jesus is not God is anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
                      6. You're a hypocrite or a liar or both. You insist that Jesus was created, "a god". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      7. Every decent person is a hypocrite, since everyone sins. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      8. Any created being is not God. You created Jesus is not God. You're an anti-trinitarian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 12:46 PM
                      9. You say any created being is not God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      10. Oh my, Tomas, you're getting desperate. If a created being would also be God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:10 PM
                      11. No, we would not have two Gods or more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:36 AM
                      12. Open minded to the "Tomas Bible"? The "Holy Bible" doesn't have any basis for yo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:23 PM
                      13. Open minded to trying to understand the Holy Bible, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47 PM
                      14. Look who is talking. The man who doesn't know Koine Greek. The man who doesn't understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:39 AM
                      15. I can understand Koine Greek with the help of an interlinear - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
                      16. I'm not superior. I only have proof without any doubt that you insist on an incorrect - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:49 AM
                      17. OK, so you think your proof is superior to my proof, - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:34 PM
                      18. Baloney.... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:18 PM
                      19. OK, how about you asking your professor friend, how he would translate - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:05 AM
                      20. It took him but a minute. And what you THINK, was wrong. Again! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:32 PM
                      21. OK, then ask him what word order rule makes the difference - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:16 AM
                      22. Why don't you go to Google Translate and do a little research yourself? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:06 AM
                      23. OK, thank you for these web sites so far. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 11:41 AM
    2. In the NAME of whom does INC baptize? - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:00 AM
      1. In the NAME: Singular - only ONE, not Plural/Many - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:24 PM
        1. why did you capitalize the word NAME?? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:17 AM
          1. For people like you who can't SEE clearly. Now, can you answer my question? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 5:34 AM
            1. i can see ckearly that u want to distort that passage.. - tf on Nov 6, 2014, 1:50 AM
              1. Then you say you see clearly is what is not there TF. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 9:04 AM
                1. where is clearly there? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:29 AM
                  1. Back to where you evade TF, do INC baptize in the name of the Father, & the Son, & the HS? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:08 AM
      2. One yet of three: Father, Son, Holy Spirit - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:26 PM
        1. Amen to that! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:04 AM
        2. what verse? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:03 AM
          1. Are you still in kindergarten? Michael named you the verse right on top. Geeeeee - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. where??? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 5:22 PM
              1. In what name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:05 PM
                1. there is nothing declared in that verse mike tsk tsk - tf on Nov 18, 2014, 1:40 AM
                  1. Your total lack of grammar knowledge lets you also believe the other sheep, that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 18, 2014, 7:36 AM
                  2. Why can't you tell in whose name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 11:34 AM
                    1. Michael, Tomas answered that. He attend at least one INC baptism, and they baptize in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 2:07 PM
                      1. Yes, and INCer TF apparently don't want to confess this. I don't know why he wouldn't. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:06 AM
              2. Here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/84590/message/1413741649/In+the+NAME+of+whom+does+INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
                1. where in that verse declared that the Thrre is 1 God? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:24 AM
                  1. That happens to you when you don't know that "name" is singular. In other words, you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 13, 2015, 6:40 PM
      3. The apostles baptized only in the name of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 7:46 AM
        1. They did. And there goes your problem with Matthew 28:19. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:40 AM
          1. Just as Trinitarians are fixated in the Trinity, I am likwise fixated - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. And if my memory serves me right, INCquitor told me that he baptize accdg to Mt.28:19 - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:43 AM
              1. Did I say that? Force of habit acquired in the INC I guess. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 3:48 PM
                1. Force of habit? What do you mean? - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:02 PM
                2. At least now INCquisitor, you admit to have been brainwashed and still hang over it. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 2:28 AM
            2. We are not fixated. We know grammar, unlike you. We know John 17:3 doesn't exclude - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:14 PM
     
  4. Who is your Savior? What is His name? View Thread - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:36 AM
    1. Where is everybody now? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 3:19 PM
    2. One should realize and accept that man is helpless. That he can't save himself. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:27 PM
    3. If man is helpless and can't save himself, moreso he can't save others. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:29 PM
    4. Who then is able to save sinful man? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 10:30 PM
    5. Has everybody now been muted by the question at the OP? - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:33 PM
      1. Apparently. - Michael on Nov 23, 2014, 11:32 PM
    6. INCer, who is your Savior? What is His name? - Michael on Nov 25, 2014, 9:55 PM
      1. Do you need anyone else other than him for you to be saved? - Michael on Nov 25, 2014, 9:55 PM
    7. NO INCer or Ex-INCer here could ever confess who their Savior is and what is his name. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
    8. Michael, one of my Saviors is Christ, his name is Jesus. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:12 PM
      1. Tomas, I know only of one Savior, Christ the Lord. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:46 AM
        1. In the Old Testament, Yahweh, the Father, is another Savior. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:41 PM
          1. In the OT, God is the Savior. That did not change, even in the NT. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:26 AM
            1. In the OT, God Yahweh the Father is the Savior. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:12 AM
              1. God is the Savior, in the OT and in the NT. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 10:02 AM
                1. Two Saviors. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:48 AM
                  1. Two Saviors? I know only of one - God. - Michael on Mar 4, 2015, 8:18 AM
                    1. Jesus is now savior too, regardless if he too is God. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:00 PM
    9. I am the "body" of Christ. And Christ is my SAVIOR. - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 6:19 PM
      1. Thanks for responding INCquisitor. Is not God your Savior? - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:49 AM
        1. Perhaps not, for man is your savior, the man Jesus. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:17 AM
        2. I am a Christian so I go by what Jesus and his apostles teach. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:41 PM
          1. Not the issue. So, God is not INCquisitor's savior. And you are saved by man. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:49 AM
            1. You are saying that Jesus is not your savior, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 3:32 PM
              1. INCquisitor, you can say that if you can't understand my language. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 3:46 PM
                1. I thought you were referring to a God other than Jesus Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 5:06 PM
                  1. Your Savior is man. My Savior is God. Though, we know him both by the name Jesus. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:20 PM
                    1. Your savior is NOT God but you were falsely taught he is God.. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 7:45 PM
                      1. Should I say it again? My savior is God and your savior is man and is not God. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      2. You are fooling yourself. Our savior is the same Jesus Christ who says he is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      3. Why should I fool myself INCquisitor? The point here is my Savior is God and yours is man. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 6:50 PM
                      4. The true God who said, "you shall know no God but Me...., - INCquisitor on Jan 24, 2015, 9:26 AM
                      5. I speak of God as the true God, the Savior. The God of Abraham and Moses. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 11:52 PM
                      6. Jesus Christ is not the God of Abraham and Israel. - IN Cquisitor on Jan 25, 2015, 7:51 PM
                      7. The God of Abraham and Israel is the Savior, revealed in the person of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Jan 26, 2015, 6:49 AM
                      8. There is no scripture that says "the God of Abraham and Israel is the savior...... - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 2015, 12:22 PM
                      9. Like you, the Jews didn't see even while the very image of God is in front of them. - Michael on Jan 26, 2015, 10:36 PM
                      10. The Jews were not Trinitarians, that's why. - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      11. Jesus said He is a man. Incquisitor says His savior Jesus is not a man. - Michael on Jan 28, 2015, 9:39 AM
                      12. Have I claimed that Jesus is God? Have I not said that Jesus is a man? - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2015, 6:15 PM
                      13. LOL..still on your bread and butter error verses John 17:3 and John 8:40? Why are you not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 7:33 PM
                      14. And so your Savior ( whom you say is Jesus) is a man, and is not God. - Michael on Mar 6, 2015, 8:58 PM
      2. lol! - Karlos on Mar 5, 2015, 6:16 AM
    10. Man cannot save himself. If he could, Adam would have done it. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 22, 2015, 7:40 PM
      1. Dean, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice regardless if he is God or not. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:15 AM
      2. Dean, Jesus was the perfect sacrifice regardless if he is God or not. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:16 AM
     
  5. Justified (made worthy of salvation) Freely By Grace. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 5:54 AM
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  7. Tomas, I said this before but now I'll try to stick to it. You have insulted our Lord and View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:38 PM
    1. So Christians disagree on various doctrines. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:08 PM
     
  8. Biblical questions for INCquisitor. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:49 AM
    1. INCquisitor, I see you're here. Perhaps you can respond to this thread. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 5:09 PM
    2. I'm glad you asked! - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 7:23 PM
      1. You are welcome. Thanks for not evading this time INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:42 AM
        1. Up fpr INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:21 AM
        2. You're welcome. Just a few corrections. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:34 PM
          1. And a few more comments to your answers INCquisitor. - Michael on Feb 3, 2015, 8:54 AM
            1. Christ "purchased his church with his blood." - INCquisitor on Feb 4, 2015, 3:47 PM
              1. Let's get back to the questions INCquisitor. Everybody here already know that anyway. - Michael on Feb 5, 2015, 3:07 AM
                1. You only want to hear what you think. - INCquisitor on Feb 5, 2015, 4:11 PM
                  1. I hear only what scriptures say, and not what you make it out to say. - Michael on Feb 6, 2015, 6:51 AM
                    1. You only know PART of the WHOLE gospel of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 7, 2015, 7:32 PM
                      1. What are you complaining about INCquisitor? That is simply not the issue here. - Michael on Feb 8, 2015, 4:57 AM
                      2. What do you intend to achieve by your questions? - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 2015, 8:08 PM
                      3. To give glory to Jesus Christ, the one who saves. - Michael on Feb 9, 2015, 5:43 PM
                      4. Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven.. - INCquisitor on Feb 9, 2015, 7:39 PM
                      5. Jesus also said "whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life". - Michael on Feb 10, 2015, 7:17 AM
                      6. Believe in Christ and abide in his word. - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2015, 5:24 PM
                      7. Jesus is my redeemer. Do you know what that means? - Michael on Feb 11, 2015, 8:08 AM
                      8. But you don't know HOW you are redeemed by the blood of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 12, 2015, 6:19 PM
                      9. Not true of course. And you don't know what it means when I say, Jesus is my redeemer - Michael on Feb 14, 2015, 9:48 AM
                      10. Christ redeems in accordance with God's PLAN of salvation. - INCquisitor on Feb 15, 2015, 5:11 PM
                      11. INCquisitor: Christ is my redeemer, the redeemer. Do you understand what that means? - Michael on Feb 18, 2015, 10:03 PM
                      12. I'm a bit confused, INCquisitor. Are you saying picking 1 Peter 1:18-19, believing in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2015, 9:01 AM
                      13. It is wrong to pick 1 Peter 1:18-19 without taking into account - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2015, 7:40 PM
                      14. I'm still confused: You're saying 1 Peter 1:18-19 is not telling the truth, aren't you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:08 AM
     
  9. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. View Thread - Michael on Jan 3, 2015, 7:35 PM
    1. the fact that he is the image is a proof that he is not the God - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:28 AM
      1. Oh yeah? Why did you stop reading? >>>>For by Him all things were created, both in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 14, 2015, 8:31 PM
        1. he is the assigned mediator of all things by God - tf on Feb 13, 2015, 6:30 PM
      2. The invisible God manifested Himself. How? By being visible. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:44 AM
    2. Crazy. Only you can imagine God being in front of a mirror. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 7:24 AM
      1. It's an analogy INCquisitor. Don't know what an analogy is? - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:46 AM
        1. I know, it's an anology, Michael, but not a good one. In your mirror image, you right hand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2015, 4:06 PM
          1. The Bible does not say "exact." That's ADDING to the word of God. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:18 PM
            1. You misunderstood "exact". It was to distinguish from the side changing mirror image. So, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2015, 9:20 PM
              1. An MRI reveals the internal organs of a person. - INCquisitor on Jan 18, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Blablabla...the MRI was only an example to make it clear to an unwitting person. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 9:35 AM
                  1. You say Jesus is YOUR God. Is Jesus YOUR God NOT trustworthy? - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:58 PM
                    1. As I said, I'm being nice to you, why are you getting ugly? Is being ugly good Christian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 9:14 PM
          2. As I said, it's an analogy and that there is no perfect analogy when it comes to God. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 11:55 PM
            1. With an imperfect analogy -- as you yourself admit it is -- you're opening yourself to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 18, 2015, 10:11 AM
              1. Justified criticism Guenter? Those who don't know the purpose of an analogy has a problem. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 5:16 PM
                1. There is is no perfect analgy when it comes to God? Why then does Jesus give us countless - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:09 AM
                  1. Yes Guenter. Perhaps you can cite scriptures so I can follow you. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 5:06 PM
                    1. Oh yes, it is. H2O is always the same. It always has the same properties, They never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
                      1. Right, and that's the point of the analogy of H2O. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 6:42 AM
                      2. OK, I'm getting tired arguing with you. Let's agree that you are always right. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:25 AM
                      3. Now, don't be mad. If you're tired, I understand. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:05 AM
                2. By the way, a mirror image is just a physical image. Jesus is more than that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 2:02 PM
                  1. Guenter, don't go beyond the purpose and point of the analogy. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:57 PM
                    1. Michael, you cam up with the mirror image, which by definition is nothing but a physical - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:18 PM
                    2. Michael, you came up with the mirror image, which by definition is nothing but a physical - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:18 PM
                      1. Guenter, focus on the point of the analogy, not elsewhere. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:09 AM
                      2. Here lies your problem: "one would see exactly an image of himself in the mirror. NO, Sir. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:23 AM
        2. It's a crazy analogy which only you can believe! - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:11 PM
          1. You go nuts about it INCquisitor for you can't refute the truth it illustrates. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 12:12 AM
            1. Christ and God are 2 different living entities - tf on Feb 13, 2015, 6:32 PM
              1. Not so fast! The mirror image analogy is incorrect and has no biblical support. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 13, 2015, 10:23 PM
     
  10. Post what you preach here: What is the good news or gospel of your God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:56 AM
    1. All the doctrines necessary for salvation, are the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:06 AM
      1. "Are the gospel"? Tomas you apparently don't know what the "gospel" IS. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:05 AM
        1. Well, I believe you don't know what the gospel is. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:03 PM
          1. Of course. For apparently, we don't preach the same gospel Tomas. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:42 AM
            1. We preach the same gospel, but you don't know what belongs in the gospel. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 4:47 AM
              1. No Tomas. The gospel you preach is different from the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 8:00 AM
                1. Well, it is not my fault that more and more requirements - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:59 AM
                  1. What fault are you talking about Tomas? - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 9:07 AM
                    1. Not my fault but God's wisdom. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 8:10 AM
     
  11. JESUS IS GOD View Thread - paul on Jan 8, 2008, 12:13 AM
    1. Where in the Philippines are you ? I will be there next week - Guenter on Jan 8, 2008, 4:43 PM
    2. Greetings Paul - I have some info for you - Jason on Jan 8, 2008, 7:58 PM
    3. Thomas will never contradict Jesus statement.. - OK4 on Jan 8, 2008, 9:35 PM
      1. Thomas agrees with Jesus's Claims that he is God - Jason on Jan 8, 2008, 10:00 PM
        1. Jesus never claimed that he is God... - OK4 on Jan 9, 2008, 5:44 AM
      2. What was Thomas's statement that made Jesus say that he believed? - Saleem Sinai on Jan 9, 2008, 12:08 AM
        1. Questions for you Saleem... - OK4 on Jan 9, 2008, 5:52 AM
          1. Wat was Thomas's expression of belief? - Saleem Sinai on Jan 9, 2008, 4:47 PM
      3. Ok4 jumped from John 20:17 to John 20:27. But notice in just a few minutes. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jan 9, 2008, 10:35 AM
    4. Element of suprise is the big part of it. - ETE on Jan 9, 2008, 10:17 AM
      1. bump from the past... - Mervy on Jan 26, 2015, 1:23 PM
      2. I don't believe Thomas was surprised to see Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 7:18 PM
        1. You suspect? There is not a single Greek script that does NOT have the phrase "and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 1:08 PM
          1. Maybe I'm wrong. Thomas might have turned Trinitarian at that time. - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2015, 6:19 PM
            1. Common sense dictates that The Bible is the word of God. God inspired the Apostles to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 7:15 PM
    5. The phrase, "and my God" must have been ADDED by Trinitarian translators.... - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 7:02 PM
      1. Another verse trashed? - Michael on Jan 28, 2015, 8:38 AM
      2. Sure, and the word ALONE in John 17:3 is not even there, it must have been erased by ALL - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 12:44 PM
     
 
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