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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Son of Man: Why do the apostles almost never refer to Jesus by that title? View Thread - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 12:27 PM
    1. your problem is - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:02 AM
      1. TF, I have no problem. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:32 PM
        1. you are one of the world's problem - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:21 PM
          1. He seems to be a good Christian, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
    2. Michael, you are making just an assumption, that the apostles - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:30 AM
      1. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 6:24 AM
      2. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 11:35 AM
        1. It is a mystery. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:45 AM
          1. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:09 AM
          2. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:10 AM
            1. Your revelation is so speculative. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:46 PM
              1. Not so Tomas. That's analysis. Analysis is not speculation, MAYBE's are. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 10:04 AM
                1. LOL, Michael, that was a good one. Tomas, the king of Maybe. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 10:11 PM
                2. But your analysis is based on ideas not mentioned in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
                  1. Is that how you see it? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 2:58 PM
                    1. Sure, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:28 PM
                      1. Apparently so Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 8:29 PM
                      2. Your belief of what is the gospel, is not based on Bible verses. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 11:55 PM
                      3. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:24 PM
                      4. Guenter, what? I don't reject anything in the book of Revelation. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:14 AM
                      5. You don't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ as it is revealed in the book of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:39 PM
                      6. Rev. 22:19 does not say we have to be able to understand every verse - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      7. NO! Your easy way out will not work. You don't believe in Revelation. Revelation is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:18 PM
                      8. I believe in Revelation. Just because neither you nor me - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:53 AM
                      9. It may not be important to you, but it is important to God. God is not the God of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 PM
                      10. God is not the source of confusion, but we can confuse ourselves - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. Tomas, you are the king of confusion. Starting with "The Word was a god." Going to "G - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 3:15 PM
                      12. God has not revealed to us plenty of other things important to him, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:37 PM
                      13. Well, you continue your self destruction. I will not follow you but will warn all people - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:48 PM
                      14. Well, so far I don't think I have persuaded anyone of any doctrine, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:24 PM
                      15. God protects them from your extremely false teachings. Praise the Lord! While many of the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 8:13 PM
                      16. What? I did not call any of you complete idiots, no way. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:56 PM
                      17. They didn't change their mind -- so they must be idiots, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      18. No way, many brilliant people are also stubborn. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      19. The opposite is true:Intelligent people change their minds because they are intelligent - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:10 PM
                      20. Some intelligent people change their minds. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
                      21. You just made my point. Fading brainpower, like in the old Einstein, and by the way also - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:08 AM
                      22. My brainpower is fading? Well, what doctrine have you changed your mind on - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 5:56 PM
                      23. I doubted trinity, like you. But God spoke to me through the Bible. My mind got cleared - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:58 PM
                      24. Well, I rejected trinity, and God spoke to me through the Bible, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:47 PM
                      25. Whether or not is an opinion too, my friend. And your whether or not opinion is based on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:08 PM
                      26. I believe in God's word, the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 5:35 AM
                      27. Tomas, you believe people and not God's word, the Bible. You believe in false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 11:10 AM
                      28. Certainly it is Tomas. The gospel is not a list of requirements for one to follow. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 6:41 PM
                      29. No, the gospel is the good news contained in the required doctrines. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:57 PM
                      30. Good news contained in the required doctrines? - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 12:09 AM
                      31. Yes, each required doctrine has some good news for us. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:49 AM
                      32. Well Tomas, you just affirmed that you have a different understanding of what Gospel is. - Michael on Dec 26, 2014, 5:22 AM
                      33. OK, we still disagree on that. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 6:51 PM
                      34. Yes we do Tomas. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 8:14 AM
                      35. We do indeed. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:41 AM
                      36. Re: We do indeed. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:12 AM
                      37. Yes, we do disagree on what the gospel contains. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:04 AM
                      38. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:26 PM
                      39. See my answer above, you posted this in two places. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:58 PM
                      40. OK - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:49 PM
    3. What you are saying is mere speculation. Thus, I also speculate that... - INCquisitor on Nov 2, 2014, 5:48 AM
      1. What does "Son of Man" mean to INCquisitor? - Michael on Nov 2, 2014, 1:24 PM
        1. It simply means that Jesus is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 5:57 PM
          1. Therefore, Son of God means Jesus is God! You got it perfectly correct, INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:25 PM
            1. No. Son of God doesn't mean Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Nov 4, 2014, 3:42 AM
              1. We sure believe that. I already told you your grave error the way you interpret John 17:3 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:40 AM
                1. Tell me what your interpretation of John 17:3 is. - INCquisitor on Nov 7, 2014, 6:31 PM
                  1. John 17:3 says that the Father, of course, is the only true God. But you read into it that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 1, 2014, 3:01 PM
          2. There is your understanding of scriptures. - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:16 AM
          3. A man like what WE are now at this moment, a mortal human? - Karlos on Nov 4, 2014, 4:54 AM
            1. So incquisitor, are you going to answer me or not? - Karlos on Nov 6, 2014, 7:06 AM
              1. I think you don't know or are you afraid to answer it! - Karlos on Nov 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
     
  2. For those who would like to upgrade to Facebook, View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 14, 2014, 8:38 AM
    1. Well, I am neither Catholic nor anti-Catholic, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:28 PM
     
  3. TF, what does John 6:62 tell you? What did FYM tell you about this verse? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 2:13 AM
    1. UP for TF. If you don't know, would you like to ask your ministers? - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:07 AM
      1. hmm..don't take it literally my friend.. - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:01 AM
        1. I didn't ask for your advice or opinion TF. It's about scriptures. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:49 PM
          1. where is the verse that says.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:19 PM
            1. No verse says PEOPLE saw him descending from heaven, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Tomas, I thought Jesus was born dead and not spirit? LOL But I admire your confession - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
                1. If he was created dead, he was created anyway before the foundation - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:20 AM
                  1. Well, Tomas, even considering it a possibility, as you did, that Jesus was created dead, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:45 AM
                    1. I am not infallible, and neither are you. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:13 AM
                      1. The sad thing with you is, that you're coming up with fantasies of yours. Not only about a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:52 AM
                      2. I believe in the Bible as it is written, I have maybes mainly where - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      3. If you believe in the Bible, why do you come up with fantasies like Jesus was created? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:31 AM
                      4. Because I see it in the Bible. Sorry that you can't. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:28 AM
                      5. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:51 AM
    2. Later, the apostles literally saw the Son of man ascending to where He was before (heaven) - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. elijah was also ascended to the clouds.is he God also - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
        1. Even while you are not authorized by INC to comment, let me respond to your comment - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 4:41 AM
          1. where it is shown that jesus literally exist in heave as a person before? - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:20 AM
            1. The Son of man is a person, or is he not? And the Son of man is Jesus, or is he not? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:48 AM
            2. and who is that "Spirit of Christ" in 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Oct 22, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. guenter guenter - tf on Oct 22, 2014, 10:14 PM
                1. Re: guenter guenter - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 1:12 AM
                  1. who is jumping versrs,what verse? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:20 AM
                    1. ngeeeee, are ok? - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 4:09 AM
                2. You're utterly confused. "guenter, guenter" when you're responding to Karlos. Tsk. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:38 PM
        2. Hhhhhmmmmmm.... Elijah was in heaven before?....HHmmmmmmm.. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:08 PM
          1. the issue here is about the visible ascension.. - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. Your question was if Elijah is also God. And I answered that. Now you're diverting to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:23 PM
            2. What? The issue is Christ ascending to where He was before, not Elijah's. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:12 AM
            3. tf is hiding, and afraid of the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:12 PM
        3. Tf, Elijah ascended to the clouds, not to heaven. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:20 PM
    3. Whatever John 6:62 tells you, Jesus tells me that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and.... - INCquisitor on Oct 24, 2014, 4:37 AM
      1. I know what John 8:40 and John 17:3 tells you. Perhaps John 6:62 tells you nothing - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 8:05 AM
        1. INCquisitor keeps refusing to understand the Bible so he can remain in his errors that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:41 PM
     
  4. Sorry, Michael and Guenter, that I did not get to answer all your posts to me. View Thread - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:41 PM
    1. I was hoping in your long absence you finally became a true believer. Your first - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:54 PM
      1. Sorry that you think I am not a true believer. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:00 PM
        1. I -- and others -- have tried for seven or eight years to make you see the light. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:14 PM
          1. Well, I too keep trying to persuade you on some issues. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:24 PM
            1. Yes, you like to oppose other people. Oppose is your middle name and part of your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:40 PM
              1. I don't want to oppose others. But I don't want to be dishonest either. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:32 PM
                1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:55 PM
                  1. Well, if you think I am stupid, OK if it pleases to think so. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:24 PM
                    1. Maybe Jesus should have ssen a therapist too when He called the Pharisess fools for the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:54 AM
                    2. Maybe Jesus should have ssen a therapist too when He called the Pharisess fools for the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:54 AM
                      1. They were fools, but they were not stupid. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 10:05 PM
     
  5. Tomas, I am responding to two comments of yours that do not show up when I click on the View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 8:41 AM
    1. Funny, by that analysis the trinity has one Father and at the same time 2 Fathers. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 3:03 AM
      1. 2 Fathers? I already told you, you're stupid, didn't I? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:17 AM
        1. Yes, you did. And Mensa disagreed with you. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:52 PM
     
  6. If you were to praise and glorify anybody, WHO is it? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:57 AM
    1. The Father, Jesus, the HS, Michael, Melchizedek, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:05 AM
     
  7. If you were to trust anybody, whom will it be? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. I trust totally the Father, the Son, the HS, Melchizedek, the Angel of Philadelphia, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:57 AM
     
  8. If you were to give your life to, whom will it be? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. I give my life in devotion to the Father, Jesus, the holy Spirit, Melchizedek, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:54 AM
     
  9. If you wanted to be saved, to whom will you go to and call upon? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:57 AM
    1. To the Father, through Jesus. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:51 AM
     
  10. If you were to choose whom to worship, whom will you choose, man or God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. If we had to choose, then God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:50 AM
     
 
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