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  1. All that INC can say about the Trinity of God is that, for them, it is illogical. View Thread - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:16 PM
    1. Or that it is unbelievable. - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:17 PM
    2. For they can't refute scriptures that testifies to the name of God. - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:18 PM
    3. The name of the three dive persons of God ( the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:19 PM
      1. * divine - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:20 PM
      2. without inserting you preconceived idea, which verse t says of a three person god? - truthfinder on Apr 3, 2014, 9:32 PM
        1. No verse directly express a three person God. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 12:15 AM
          1. thx for admitting that - truthfinder on Apr 4, 2014, 2:50 AM
            1. Welcome. And that doesn't refute the truth of the Trinity of God. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 8:10 AM
              1. it proves that there is no biblical teaching about the trinity. - tf on Apr 4, 2014, 9:53 AM
                1. Still, the Bible does not say God cannot be a trinity. So it is possible. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 10:32 PM
                  1. You are wrong Tomas. Jesus tell us that the only true God is the Father. - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2014, 5:31 AM
                    1. You misunderstands John 17:3. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 10:16 PM
                      1. Psalms 86:10 NAB: For you are great and do wondrous deeds; and you alone are God. - Wayne on Apr 14, 2014, 10:31 PM
                      2. That psalm does refer to Yahweh, which is the Father's name, but - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 1:01 AM
                      3. What does "only" mean? - Wayne on Apr 14, 2014, 11:12 PM
                      4. Yes, but in John 17:3, the 'only' modifies the God, not - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 1:06 AM
                      5. Read preceding verse "Father, the time has come.... - Wayne on Apr 21, 2014, 5:18 PM
                      6. I know the 'you' refers to the Father. But still, Jesus did not say - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 7:32 PM
                      7. "yet for us there is but one God, the Father,... - Wayne on Apr 27, 2014, 1:19 PM
                      8. Yes, the Father is but one God, but that one God can include - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 11:34 PM
                      9. You seem to think that you can fool everyone into thinking - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:59 PM
                      10. I don't fool anyone. I do recognize that 'only' means basically the same - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 1:10 AM
                2. So that is INC's BEST refutation? Well, that only shows what mind INC have. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 11:09 PM
                  1. So are you saying the truth about trinity was finally revealed at the Council - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 11:26 PM
                    1. No I'm not. That's what TF assumes to make his argument. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 11:54 PM
                      1. OK, and I can agree with that, and add that the truth about - Tomas on Apr 5, 2014, 2:00 AM
                      2. While I don't agree with you with regards the Trinity, I respect what it is you hold now. - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 2:53 AM
                      3. Michael, if someone asks me who Jesus is, I emphasize - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 10:26 PM
                      4. Jesus has revealed to his disciples who the Father is. - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2014, 5:48 AM
                      5. We do know that about the Father, he is truly God, - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 10:34 PM
                      6. The Father has revealed to us that the son is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 4:06 PM
                      7. Of course he was a man when he spoke in John 8:40. But - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 2:12 AM
                      8. You misunderstand 1 Peter 3:18 and Gal. 1:12 - INCquisitor on Apr 26, 2014, 7:39 AM
                      9. You misunderstand Gal. 1:12. - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 11:22 PM
                      10. you cannot say it is truth if you don't understand it - tf on Apr 9, 2014, 1:20 AM
                      11. EMMAN, it is you, not me, who don't understand the trinity of God that I'm saying. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 5:46 AM
                  2. Did Jesus reveal the Trinity of God as "truth?" - INCquisitor on Apr 8, 2014, 4:03 PM
                    1. Re: Did Jesus reveal the Trinity of God as "truth?" - Michael on Apr 18, 2014, 1:04 PM
                      1. Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - INCquisitor on Apr 26, 2014, 7:20 AM
                      2. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - Michael on Apr 26, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      3. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - INCquisitor on May 10, 2014, 8:37 PM
                      4. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - Michael on May 14, 2014, 11:49 PM
                      5. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 3:39 AM
                  3. actually michaels truth is read from athanasian creed - tf on Apr 9, 2014, 1:23 AM
     
  2. THE VALUE OF KNOWING THE TRUE GOD View Thread - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2014, 2:30 AM
    1. We Christians do know God, but there is a lot we don't know about him. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 10:55 PM
    2. proof 1 - tf on May 12, 2014, 4:21 PM
    3. tf cherry picks the bible and ignore biblical verses that call Jesus God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 12, 2014, 7:35 PM
      1. In John 20:28, Thomas was talking to Jesus about the Father. - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 9:13 PM
    4. proof 2 - tf on May 12, 2014, 10:39 PM
    5. proof 3 - tf on May 14, 2014, 3:28 AM
      1. It is possible that sometimes in the Bible God refers to the Father alone, while at other - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 9:16 PM
        1. what an idiot reply - tf on May 22, 2014, 10:22 PM
          1. But that is the belief of most Christians, including both trinitarians and - Tomas on May 23, 2014, 11:48 PM
            1. more than idiots but blind - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
              1. But Paul has also declared that we all see through glass darkly, - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 8:51 PM
    6. proof 4 Jesus Identified Our God for us. - tf on May 16, 2014, 10:44 PM
      1. Again, trinitarians and binitarians will argue that sometimes - Tomas on May 17, 2014, 10:31 AM
    7. Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2014, 6:21 PM
      1. titus - tf on May 19, 2014, 7:50 AM
        1. Titus 2:13 - One, Not Two - ncv, jr. on May 19, 2014, 2:06 PM
          1. the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - tf on May 20, 2014, 10:36 AM
            1. Re: the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - ...Glory of God, not God Himself on May 20, 2014, 1:23 PM
            2. ... glory of God, not God Himself ... - ncv, jr. on May 20, 2014, 1:24 PM
              1. it is the glory of God that can appear - tf on May 20, 2014, 10:57 PM
    8. tf proved that the Father is God. He failed to prove that Jesus is not God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2014, 6:37 PM
      1. proof that jesus is not God - tf on May 20, 2014, 4:46 AM
        1. Re: proof that jesus is not God - ncv, jr. on May 20, 2014, 9:58 AM
          1. can god be tempted? - tf on May 21, 2014, 10:57 PM
            1. James 1:13 - ncv, jr. on May 23, 2014, 1:25 AM
              1. jesus is good not because he is god - tf on May 23, 2014, 2:37 PM
                1. "I am in the Father ..." - ncv. jr. on Jun 11, 2014, 9:42 AM
                  1. I don't know how tf interprets it, but my interpretation is - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:26 AM
      2. tf fails. He ignored the fact that Jesus has two natures. He is God as well as man. - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 2014, 4:58 PM
        1. let's turn to the bible for the direct explanation - tf on May 20, 2014, 11:10 PM
      3. tf of church founded by Felix Manalo ignore biblical proofs that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2014, 5:17 PM
        1. Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2014, 5:18 PM
          1. god is with us.. - tf on May 21, 2014, 10:52 PM
    9. Proof 5.shema - tf on May 22, 2014, 4:42 AM
    10. Jesus created the world. No man is creator. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2014, 5:47 PM
      1. incorrect understanding. - tf on May 23, 2014, 7:32 PM
        1. But what about Heb. 1:10-12? How can you say - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 12:34 AM
          1. it refers to the father - tf on May 24, 2014, 4:20 AM
            1. That looks so doubtful, that the author of Hebrews - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 12:34 PM
              1. more doubtful and totally absurd ... - tf on May 24, 2014, 5:13 PM
                1. The Son, if he preexisted, is the co-creator who created at his Father's direction - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:02 PM
    11. Proof 6. Paul Identifies the One God of Christians as One Person, the Father. - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:27 AM
      1. 1 Cor. 8:4 does not say one person, does not say the Father. - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:14 PM
    12. proof 8 Christ worhips the one true God - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 3:13 AM
    13. proof 7 Christ inferior to the God - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 3:15 AM
      1. ... and the head of Christ is God. - ncv, jr. on Jun 3, 2014, 8:34 AM
    14. Jesus in his humanity in inferior to God. But He is equal to God in his divinity. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2014, 7:00 PM
      1. What are you saying about that Iglesia? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:36 AM
      2. You are wrong again Tomas. The Iglesias believe that Jesus is a created being. Not begotte - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 8:20 PM
        1. The INC believes Jesus is created and begotten by God. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:48 AM
      3. Tomas, you will die in your sins, as Jesus says. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 28, 2014, 3:21 PM
        1. A created being cannot be a creator? - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 3:36 AM
        2. So you agree with the Iglesias that Jesus is man only. So how can a man create the world? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 5, 2014, 4:11 AM
          1. No, he might be God too. And he might not be a man today. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 4:40 AM
     
  3. HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 2014, 7:26 AM
    1. Re: HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 5:20 AM
      1. Your response is off-topic. - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 5:43 PM
        1. Is it? Perhaps, it's not just the answer you want. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:16 PM
      2. you don't need to give your own explanation michael - tf on Jul 2, 2014, 10:44 PM
        1. You do really have to check your comprehension TF. Read the question carefully at the OP. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 11:14 PM
          1. i dont need to comprehend your self explanation, i will listen to paul - tf on Jul 3, 2014, 1:22 AM
            1. A little help. HOW? That is the question. - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 11:24 AM
          2. tf, be honest. You listen to your false prophet FYM, not Paul, John, Tomas and Peter. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:47 PM
    2. tf and IncQ have a mind of 4 year old. They keep arguing that Jesus is man is like arguing - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:35 AM
      1. Jesus is 100% man, just like Obama is 100% man. There is no disputing that. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:37 AM
      2. But these 4 year old minds can't comprehend that Obama is president, Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:50 AM
        1. Compare Col. 2:9 with 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:4-6. - INCquisitor on Jul 3, 2014, 4:44 PM
        2. IncQ, do you agree that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were also worshipping IDOLS? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 5:47 PM
          1. Whether the Jews woshiped idols or not.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 6:04 AM
        3. IncQ, on the contrary, it will explain why Jesus says that the Father is the only true God - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:55 PM
    3. Your turn INCQUISITOR. What is your answer to your question in the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:16 PM
     
  4. Be honest IncQ. You really don't have faith in Jesus. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 6:19 AM
    1. RCC not founded by the real Jesus Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 4:38 PM
    2. IncQ is still begging the question. He says the Catholic Church is not founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:48 PM
     
  5. Two kinds of "truth:" physical "truth" and spiritual "truth." View Thread - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 2014, 12:49 PM
    1. Truth is perceived, both "physical truth" and "spiritual truth" - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 1:55 PM
      1. The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 6, 2014, 11:38 AM
        1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 18, 2014, 2:30 PM
          1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 21, 2014, 5:48 PM
            1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 25, 2014, 12:30 PM
              1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 25, 2014, 8:30 PM
                1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 1, 2014, 6:41 AM
                  1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 6, 2014, 5:29 PM
                    1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 15, 2014, 4:38 PM
                      1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 18, 2014, 3:29 PM
                      2. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 19, 2014, 11:31 PM
                      3. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 10:43 PM
     
  6. Free Course Teaches why Jesus Christ is the Only Way to Salvation. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 8:24 PM
    1. Yes, so how can your Catechism of the Catholic Church - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:23 AM
     
  7. Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? View Thread - tf on Mar 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
    1. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Konrad on Mar 13, 2014, 2:50 PM
    2. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Michael on Mar 14, 2014, 5:26 AM
      1. But unlike Judaism, INC does believe that Christ's father is God. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 PM
        1. Yet they still believe like the Jews that Christ is a mere man. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 12:30 AM
          1. Not a mere man in the sense of being unimportant. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2014, 9:03 AM
            1. But I'm not talking in that sense. They believe as the Jews do that Jesus is man, not God. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
              1. That is true, INC believes he is a man and not God, and - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 9:53 PM
                1. Well, if that is the case, I respect your conviction. - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 3:17 AM
                  1. Yes, Jesus saved Mary by dying for her sins, she was not sinless, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2014, 2:05 PM
                    1. I agree, Christ is Mary's Savior. And Mary certainly knows who her Savior is, God. - Michael on Apr 1, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      1. God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 10:44 PM
                      2. Re: God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 12:19 AM
                      3. There are two Saviors, and if both are God, then God is the Savior - Tomas on Apr 5, 2014, 1:56 AM
                      4. Yes, you can speculate many things, and don't find any problem with that. - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 4:25 AM
                      5. But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 11:33 PM
                      6. Re: But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 11:28 PM
                      7. I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 3:48 AM
                      8. Re: I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 6:01 AM
                      9. Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 7:36 AM
                      10. Re: Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 9:14 PM
                      11. The Father is the ultimate and supreme Savior. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 7:43 PM
                      12. God is the Only Savior. There is no such thing as ultimate savior. - Michael on May 1, 2014, 2:28 AM
                      13. If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 10:12 PM
                      14. Re: If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Michael on May 25, 2014, 5:09 AM
                      15. When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:59 PM
                      16. Re: When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Michael on Jun 22, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      17. Anyway, the man Jesus was perfect, without sin. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:04 AM
          2. I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2014, 6:14 AM
            1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 3:32 PM
              1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:26 PM
                1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 4:42 PM
                  1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:09 AM
                    1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 29, 2014, 10:49 PM
    3. The Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because He didn't look like: - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 AM
      1. its not a question of rejection... - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:08 PM
      2. These versions of John 1:18 that say Jesus is "only begotten God" - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:47 PM
    4. The Jews and tf and the Iglesias will die in their sins. Here is why. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:49 AM
      1. moses never told them to expect sn incarnate god.. - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:05 PM
      2. You don't believe what Jesus CLAIMED to be. - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:15 AM
        1. The humanity of Jesus is not in dispute. Everybody knows Jesus is a man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 2:57 AM
      3. tf, your reference about Moses is irrelevant. Moses didn't predict a U.S. president would - Dean O'Gowan on May 26, 2014, 5:59 PM
        1. everybody knows that moses neve prophesied about the prophet llike him to be the God - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:24 AM
        2. Irrelevant. Moses didn't prophesy about Obama either. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 9:53 PM
     
  8. What does "Monsignor" mean? View Thread - Wayne on Jun 20, 2014, 1:51 PM
    1. We should use Your Lordship to address bishops? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 5:55 AM
    2. The true Church has - Wayne on Jun 23, 2014, 12:31 PM
    3. Sorry Wayne, The Catholic Church does not become a false church because you disagree. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 6:54 PM
      1. You are both wrong a little, neither of your churches is the true church, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:31 AM
     
  9. Do you have real faith in Jesus? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. Christ said, - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 6:15 AM
      1. You have a faulty understanding of what the church is. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:21 AM
     
  10. wow michael boast tha he understand the trinity of all trinitarians View Thread - tf on May 27, 2014, 10:37 PM
    1. What is this TF? What I see is frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on May 29, 2014, 8:29 PM
      1. nothing petsonal just exposing your boastfulness - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:27 AM
        1. Nothing personal too. Just exposing your frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on Jun 3, 2014, 6:13 PM
          1. see u r boasting again, how manu ordinary trinitarians understand as you do? - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. aren't you the same tf who said he and the INCs kneel down to worship God - Kumag Ka on May 30, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. that is a commandment by god - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:29 AM
        1. Is it a commandment of God to worship a man, exalted or not? - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:29 AM
    3. tf, there is no commandment to worship man even exalted. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 7, 2014, 4:17 AM
      1. The New Testament never says to worship only God. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:33 AM
        1. Tom, only God is worthy of worship, none else- ask the angels, the apostles - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:48 AM
          1. Sure, NRSV translates Rev. 3:9 "and bow down before your feet", but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:05 AM
      2. Tomas, the NT is very clear. Lk 4:8, Mt 4:10 Nothing about worshipping man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2014, 6:56 PM
        1. True, these two verses, in addition to commanding to worship - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:28 AM
          1. Stop lying, Tom. There is no command to worship any other except God, the Father. - Kumag Ka on Jun 27, 2014, 6:31 AM
            1. We are not required to worship the Angel of Philadelphia, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 12:43 AM
          2. Kumag, please don't add to the bible. Jesus commanded to worship only God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 27, 2014, 5:02 PM
      3. Tom, we are talking about worshipping only God. Serving is another issue. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2014, 10:09 AM
        1. Jesus does not command worship only to God, but initially, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:10 AM
     
 
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