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  1. THE VALUE OF KNOWING THE TRUE GOD View Thread - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2014, 2:30 AM
    1. We Christians do know God, but there is a lot we don't know about him. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 10:55 PM
    2. proof 1 - tf on May 12, 2014, 4:21 PM
    3. tf cherry picks the bible and ignore biblical verses that call Jesus God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 12, 2014, 7:35 PM
      1. In John 20:28, Thomas was talking to Jesus about the Father. - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 9:13 PM
    4. proof 2 - tf on May 12, 2014, 10:39 PM
    5. proof 3 - tf on May 14, 2014, 3:28 AM
      1. It is possible that sometimes in the Bible God refers to the Father alone, while at other - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 9:16 PM
        1. what an idiot reply - tf on May 22, 2014, 10:22 PM
          1. But that is the belief of most Christians, including both trinitarians and - Tomas on May 23, 2014, 11:48 PM
            1. more than idiots but blind - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:28 AM
              1. But Paul has also declared that we all see through glass darkly, - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 8:51 PM
    6. proof 4 Jesus Identified Our God for us. - tf on May 16, 2014, 10:44 PM
      1. Again, trinitarians and binitarians will argue that sometimes - Tomas on May 17, 2014, 10:31 AM
    7. Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2014, 6:21 PM
      1. titus - tf on May 19, 2014, 7:50 AM
        1. Titus 2:13 - One, Not Two - ncv, jr. on May 19, 2014, 2:06 PM
          1. the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - tf on May 20, 2014, 10:36 AM
            1. Re: the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - ...Glory of God, not God Himself on May 20, 2014, 1:23 PM
            2. ... glory of God, not God Himself ... - ncv, jr. on May 20, 2014, 1:24 PM
              1. it is the glory of God that can appear - tf on May 20, 2014, 10:57 PM
    8. tf proved that the Father is God. He failed to prove that Jesus is not God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2014, 6:37 PM
      1. proof that jesus is not God - tf on May 20, 2014, 4:46 AM
        1. Re: proof that jesus is not God - ncv, jr. on May 20, 2014, 9:58 AM
          1. can god be tempted? - tf on May 21, 2014, 10:57 PM
            1. James 1:13 - ncv, jr. on May 23, 2014, 1:25 AM
              1. jesus is good not because he is god - tf on May 23, 2014, 2:37 PM
                1. "I am in the Father ..." - ncv. jr. on Jun 11, 2014, 9:42 AM
                  1. I don't know how tf interprets it, but my interpretation is - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:26 AM
      2. tf fails. He ignored the fact that Jesus has two natures. He is God as well as man. - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 2014, 4:58 PM
        1. let's turn to the bible for the direct explanation - tf on May 20, 2014, 11:10 PM
      3. tf of church founded by Felix Manalo ignore biblical proofs that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2014, 5:17 PM
        1. Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2014, 5:18 PM
          1. god is with us.. - tf on May 21, 2014, 10:52 PM
    9. Proof 5.shema - tf on May 22, 2014, 4:42 AM
    10. Jesus created the world. No man is creator. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2014, 5:47 PM
      1. incorrect understanding. - tf on May 23, 2014, 7:32 PM
        1. But what about Heb. 1:10-12? How can you say - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 12:34 AM
          1. it refers to the father - tf on May 24, 2014, 4:20 AM
            1. That looks so doubtful, that the author of Hebrews - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 12:34 PM
              1. more doubtful and totally absurd ... - tf on May 24, 2014, 5:13 PM
                1. The Son, if he preexisted, is the co-creator who created at his Father's direction - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:02 PM
    11. Proof 6. Paul Identifies the One God of Christians as One Person, the Father. - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:27 AM
      1. 1 Cor. 8:4 does not say one person, does not say the Father. - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:14 PM
    12. proof 8 Christ worhips the one true God - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 3:13 AM
    13. proof 7 Christ inferior to the God - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 3:15 AM
      1. ... and the head of Christ is God. - ncv, jr. on Jun 3, 2014, 8:34 AM
    14. Jesus in his humanity in inferior to God. But He is equal to God in his divinity. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2014, 7:00 PM
      1. What are you saying about that Iglesia? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:36 AM
      2. You are wrong again Tomas. The Iglesias believe that Jesus is a created being. Not begotte - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 8:20 PM
        1. The INC believes Jesus is created and begotten by God. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:48 AM
      3. Tomas, you will die in your sins, as Jesus says. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 28, 2014, 3:21 PM
        1. A created being cannot be a creator? - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 3:36 AM
        2. So you agree with the Iglesias that Jesus is man only. So how can a man create the world? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 5, 2014, 4:11 AM
          1. No, he might be God too. And he might not be a man today. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 4:40 AM
     
  2. HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 2014, 7:26 AM
    1. Re: HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 5:20 AM
      1. Your response is off-topic. - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 5:43 PM
        1. Is it? Perhaps, it's not just the answer you want. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:16 PM
      2. you don't need to give your own explanation michael - tf on Jul 2, 2014, 10:44 PM
        1. You do really have to check your comprehension TF. Read the question carefully at the OP. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 11:14 PM
          1. i dont need to comprehend your self explanation, i will listen to paul - tf on Jul 3, 2014, 1:22 AM
            1. A little help. HOW? That is the question. - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 11:24 AM
          2. tf, be honest. You listen to your false prophet FYM, not Paul, John, Tomas and Peter. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:47 PM
    2. tf and IncQ have a mind of 4 year old. They keep arguing that Jesus is man is like arguing - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:35 AM
      1. Jesus is 100% man, just like Obama is 100% man. There is no disputing that. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:37 AM
      2. But these 4 year old minds can't comprehend that Obama is president, Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 2:50 AM
        1. Compare Col. 2:9 with 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:4-6. - INCquisitor on Jul 3, 2014, 4:44 PM
        2. IncQ, do you agree that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were also worshipping IDOLS? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2014, 5:47 PM
          1. Whether the Jews woshiped idols or not.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 6:04 AM
        3. IncQ, on the contrary, it will explain why Jesus says that the Father is the only true God - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:55 PM
    3. Your turn INCQUISITOR. What is your answer to your question in the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:16 PM
     
  3. Be honest IncQ. You really don't have faith in Jesus. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 6:19 AM
    1. RCC not founded by the real Jesus Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 4:38 PM
    2. IncQ is still begging the question. He says the Catholic Church is not founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:48 PM
     
  4. Two kinds of "truth:" physical "truth" and spiritual "truth." View Thread - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 2014, 12:49 PM
    1. Truth is perceived, both "physical truth" and "spiritual truth" - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 1:55 PM
      1. The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 6, 2014, 11:38 AM
        1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 18, 2014, 2:30 PM
          1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 21, 2014, 5:48 PM
            1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 25, 2014, 12:30 PM
              1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 25, 2014, 8:30 PM
                1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 1, 2014, 6:41 AM
                  1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 6, 2014, 5:29 PM
                    1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 15, 2014, 4:38 PM
                      1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 18, 2014, 3:29 PM
                      2. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 19, 2014, 11:31 PM
                      3. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 10:43 PM
     
  5. Free Course Teaches why Jesus Christ is the Only Way to Salvation. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 8:24 PM
    1. Yes, so how can your Catechism of the Catholic Church - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:23 AM
     
  6. Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? View Thread - tf on Mar 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
    1. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Konrad on Mar 13, 2014, 2:50 PM
    2. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Michael on Mar 14, 2014, 5:26 AM
      1. But unlike Judaism, INC does believe that Christ's father is God. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 PM
        1. Yet they still believe like the Jews that Christ is a mere man. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 12:30 AM
          1. Not a mere man in the sense of being unimportant. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2014, 9:03 AM
            1. But I'm not talking in that sense. They believe as the Jews do that Jesus is man, not God. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
              1. That is true, INC believes he is a man and not God, and - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 9:53 PM
                1. Well, if that is the case, I respect your conviction. - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 3:17 AM
                  1. Yes, Jesus saved Mary by dying for her sins, she was not sinless, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2014, 2:05 PM
                    1. I agree, Christ is Mary's Savior. And Mary certainly knows who her Savior is, God. - Michael on Apr 1, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      1. God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 10:44 PM
                      2. Re: God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 12:19 AM
                      3. There are two Saviors, and if both are God, then God is the Savior - Tomas on Apr 5, 2014, 1:56 AM
                      4. Yes, you can speculate many things, and don't find any problem with that. - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 4:25 AM
                      5. But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 11:33 PM
                      6. Re: But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 11:28 PM
                      7. I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 3:48 AM
                      8. Re: I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 6:01 AM
                      9. Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 7:36 AM
                      10. Re: Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 9:14 PM
                      11. The Father is the ultimate and supreme Savior. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 7:43 PM
                      12. God is the Only Savior. There is no such thing as ultimate savior. - Michael on May 1, 2014, 2:28 AM
                      13. If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 10:12 PM
                      14. Re: If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Michael on May 25, 2014, 5:09 AM
                      15. When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:59 PM
                      16. Re: When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Michael on Jun 22, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      17. Anyway, the man Jesus was perfect, without sin. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:04 AM
          2. I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2014, 6:14 AM
            1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 3:32 PM
              1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:26 PM
                1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 4:42 PM
                  1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:09 AM
                    1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 29, 2014, 10:49 PM
    3. The Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because He didn't look like: - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 AM
      1. its not a question of rejection... - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:08 PM
      2. These versions of John 1:18 that say Jesus is "only begotten God" - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:47 PM
    4. The Jews and tf and the Iglesias will die in their sins. Here is why. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:49 AM
      1. moses never told them to expect sn incarnate god.. - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:05 PM
      2. You don't believe what Jesus CLAIMED to be. - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:15 AM
        1. The humanity of Jesus is not in dispute. Everybody knows Jesus is a man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 2:57 AM
      3. tf, your reference about Moses is irrelevant. Moses didn't predict a U.S. president would - Dean O'Gowan on May 26, 2014, 5:59 PM
        1. everybody knows that moses neve prophesied about the prophet llike him to be the God - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:24 AM
        2. Irrelevant. Moses didn't prophesy about Obama either. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 9:53 PM
     
  7. What does "Monsignor" mean? View Thread - Wayne on Jun 20, 2014, 1:51 PM
    1. We should use Your Lordship to address bishops? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 5:55 AM
    2. The true Church has - Wayne on Jun 23, 2014, 12:31 PM
    3. Sorry Wayne, The Catholic Church does not become a false church because you disagree. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 6:54 PM
      1. You are both wrong a little, neither of your churches is the true church, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:31 AM
     
  8. Do you have real faith in Jesus? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. Christ said, - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 6:15 AM
      1. You have a faulty understanding of what the church is. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:21 AM
     
  9. wow michael boast tha he understand the trinity of all trinitarians View Thread - tf on May 27, 2014, 10:37 PM
    1. What is this TF? What I see is frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on May 29, 2014, 8:29 PM
      1. nothing petsonal just exposing your boastfulness - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:27 AM
        1. Nothing personal too. Just exposing your frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on Jun 3, 2014, 6:13 PM
          1. see u r boasting again, how manu ordinary trinitarians understand as you do? - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. aren't you the same tf who said he and the INCs kneel down to worship God - Kumag Ka on May 30, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. that is a commandment by god - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:29 AM
        1. Is it a commandment of God to worship a man, exalted or not? - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:29 AM
    3. tf, there is no commandment to worship man even exalted. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 7, 2014, 4:17 AM
      1. The New Testament never says to worship only God. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:33 AM
        1. Tom, only God is worthy of worship, none else- ask the angels, the apostles - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:48 AM
          1. Sure, NRSV translates Rev. 3:9 "and bow down before your feet", but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:05 AM
      2. Tomas, the NT is very clear. Lk 4:8, Mt 4:10 Nothing about worshipping man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2014, 6:56 PM
        1. True, these two verses, in addition to commanding to worship - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:28 AM
          1. Stop lying, Tom. There is no command to worship any other except God, the Father. - Kumag Ka on Jun 27, 2014, 6:31 AM
            1. We are not required to worship the Angel of Philadelphia, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 12:43 AM
          2. Kumag, please don't add to the bible. Jesus commanded to worship only God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 27, 2014, 5:02 PM
      3. Tom, we are talking about worshipping only God. Serving is another issue. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2014, 10:09 AM
        1. Jesus does not command worship only to God, but initially, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:10 AM
     
  10. CORRECT EXEGESIS OF MATTHEW 16:15. “SHUA" INSTEAD OF "KEPHA" FOR “PETRA’ View Thread - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:42 AM
    1. Oooopppsss. It's Matthew 16:18 - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:45 AM
    2. I am sure the RCC can never refute this. All they can do is to make diversion & complain! - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:51 AM
      1. I hope this protestants soucers help you understand, cheers - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:26 PM
        1. NO refutation - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:14 PM
        2. pihin does not have counter rebuttal to csdr's position. Only dictionary quotations! SAD! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:17 PM
    3. Jesus' Hebrew name is "Yahushua" (Yahweh is salvation). Yahweh = ROCK of my SALVATION! - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:07 AM
      1. PETER THE "ROCK" OR "STONE" - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:29 PM
        1. No argument at all on the use of "shua" for Petra. Denial is not argument. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:18 PM
        2. RCC lacks research. "Shua" is the Aramaic word for "Rock" as BOULDER & immov - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:19 PM
      2. It's Yehoshu'a, not Yahushua. - Tom on Jul 24, 2006, 9:12 PM
    4. Examples of the use of the Aramaic "SHUA" for ROCK in teh Aramaic Bible translation. - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:29 AM
      1. same old dead argument thrown up over And over - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:31 PM
        1. When did RCC refute the use of Aramaic "shua" for rock? Give the site please. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:26 PM
    5. Why did Matthew not use "KEPHA" for "Petros" and "Petra" in Matt. 16:1 - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:54 AM
      1. Peter as the Rock: - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:32 PM
        1. THE BIG GUNS (CHURCH FATHERS) ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY SAY CHRIST IS PETRA!!! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 4:09 PM
          1. the big guns are Catholic and not sola scripturaens. LOL - pihin on Jul 25, 2006, 6:54 PM
            1. SS is out of topic. - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 12:39 AM
              1. The Early Fathers are Catholics and believe that - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 7:40 PM
                1. Here the church fathers again writing that Christ is PETRA THE ROCK FUNDATION - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 2:50 AM
                  1. Zero points. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:18 PM
                    1. Until now no rebuttal from pihin except summary statement. SAD! - csdr on Aug 5, 2006, 5:38 AM
    6. Is it possible that "Petros" and "Petra" are words incorporated into the Hebrew - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 11:07 AM
    7. "A Christian man is Catholic while he lives in the body; cut off, he is made a heretic - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 7:51 PM
      1. Petros = Kepha & Petra = Shua. Kepha is not Shua. Petros is not Petra. Why can't .... - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:54 PM
    8. From your favorite church Father saint Agustine - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 7:58 PM
      1. AUGUSTINE SAYS CHRIST IS PETRA. LOL! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 4:10 PM
      2. Augustine says Petra is Peter's confession. Who did Peter confess? Christ! So he is Petra! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:25 PM
    9. Can any scholarly RCC OTHER THAN PIHIN post a scholarly refutation. If there's any. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:33 PM
    10. How about Winsurfer? VITW? Gordon? INComplete? Please help pihin. - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:28 PM
    11. CSDR, you know I love ya man but still, does this have to be in an INC forum - Jason on Jul 23, 2006, 8:32 PM
      1. OK I got your point since the RCC could no longer respond anyway! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:44 PM
      2. On 2nd thought, if the INC accept Christ is "Petra" they must accept Christ is true God! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:52 PM
    12. CASE CLOSED !!! RCC HAVE GIVEN UP!!! - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 8:13 AM
      1. Desperate man trying to move the Rock which Christ founded His church. - pihin on Jul 24, 2006, 8:24 AM
        1. Still no COUNTER -REBUTTAL! Only personal insults from a proud man! - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 8:28 AM
          1. Not proud but truth. - pihin on Jul 24, 2006, 1:56 PM
            1. So where is your point by point rebuttal, pihin? Where is it? - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 10:23 PM
              1. When will you prove that the Church Fathers are sola scriptura believers? - pihin on Jul 25, 2006, 6:11 PM
                1. SS is out of topic. - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 12:38 AM
                  1. Early Church Father are not SS - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 7:44 PM
                    1. THE BIG GUNS (CHURCH FATHERS) ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY SAY CHRIST IS PETRA!!! - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 8:01 PM
                      1. Really, and when will you prove that they are sola scripturaens. Sad , because they - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 8:28 PM
                      2. AUGUSTINE : "But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable" - Claro on Jul 27, 2006, 6:45 PM
                      3. Desperate man now trying to prove the church Fathers wrong - pihin on Jul 27, 2006, 10:39 PM
                      4. Are you saying now that the church fathers are infallible? LOL! Read Augustine! - csdr on Jul 28, 2006, 12:53 AM
                      5. Are you doing this for Christ's truth or in desparation for points of this world? - pihin on Jul 29, 2006, 8:43 AM
                      6. pihin misunderstood Augustine again. Peter merely represented the confessing church - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:37 PM
                      7. DON"T YOU GET IT, AGUSTINE IS A CATHOLIC NOT SS BELIEVER - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:31 PM
                      8. Peter represents the whole church because he represents the strong & the weak! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:54 PM
                      9. Peter is the Vicar of Christ on Earth. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:35 PM
                      10. Gems From Saint Augustine ; csdr if I were you I wouldn't quote Agustine ever again. - pihin on Jul 29, 2006, 8:50 AM
                      11. "CATHOLIC CHURCH" AND NOT "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH" - Augustine. - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:24 PM
                      12. csdr failed 0/10 - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:14 PM
                      13. According to Augustine, Paul and the other apostles also received the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:59 PM
                      14. Nope you failed to show where Jesus gave the keys to Paul, - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:21 PM
                      15. Here's another one from Augustine on who receive the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 6:05 PM
                      16. Wrong, Agustine is Catholic and believe in the primacy of Peter. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:26 PM
                      17. if you can prove this then i'll believe you... - mars on Aug 6, 2006, 8:54 PM
                      18. 2Maccabees 12:38-46: says to pray for the dead. - pihin on Aug 6, 2006, 10:57 PM
    13. BUMP for the FALSE ACCUSER INCcomplete!! - csdr on Aug 5, 2006, 5:25 AM
      1. Bump for false accuser csdr who quotes Church who are not SS - pihin on Aug 6, 2006, 11:01 PM
        1. pihin is lying again. I never quote Ephraim the Syrian. Desperation? - csdr on Aug 7, 2006, 8:04 AM
          1. Are church fathers SS - pihin on Aug 7, 2006, 4:17 PM
            1. The Early Church Fathers on “Sola Scriptura” - mjw75 on Jun 27, 2014, 4:27 PM
              1. Some early church 'fathers' did go into the error of considering - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 12:33 AM
    14. I am confused mjw75, are you for sola scriptura or sola scriptura and writings of early - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 27, 2014, 4:55 PM
      1. How in the world is there such a blockage of cognition in something so obvious? - mjw75 on Jun 27, 2014, 6:24 PM
     
 
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