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  1. ANOTHER CASE OF IGNORANCE OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION BY TRUTHFINDER - [REVELATION 6:9-11] View Thread - csdr on Mar 3, 2003, 11:13 PM
    1. One blunder after another is hastening the demise of the INC's belief and core doctrines - lumpen on Mar 4, 2003, 10:33 AM
      1. why wait? - jpilon on Mar 5, 2003, 5:46 PM
        1. JPILON, that's not just the case of the RCC here in the US, but worldwide! - DEFENDER on Mar 7, 2003, 8:54 PM
          1. o, I know - jpilon on Mar 10, 2003, 6:29 PM
    2. How come they are included in the first resurection of the dead? - Ross on Mar 4, 2003, 12:16 PM
      1. Yes, dead bodily or phusically but their souls continue to live! - csdr on Mar 4, 2003, 4:11 PM
        1. Dont just talk ...... - Ross on Mar 5, 2003, 5:25 PM
          1. Are you reading my post? - csdr on Mar 5, 2003, 5:36 PM
          2. The proof you are seeking is in the verse you quoted. - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 9:23 AM
            1. Re: The proof you are seeking is in the verse you quoted. - Ross on Mar 7, 2003, 12:36 PM
              1. How about this? - Saleem on Mar 7, 2003, 1:51 PM
                1. how about Abel is he alive also - truthfinder on Mar 7, 2003, 5:28 PM
                  1. That's a metaphor - Saleem on Mar 7, 2003, 5:30 PM
                    1. he should have been in heaven already? - truthfinder on Mar 8, 2003, 12:37 PM
                      1. Oh no no no! - Monsters_INC on Mar 10, 2003, 5:55 PM
                      2. Why not? He has faith that justifies! [Hebrews 11] - csdr on Mar 10, 2003, 6:37 PM
                      3. Not Yet! - Monsters_INC on Mar 10, 2003, 6:46 PM
              2. Hello? Which comes first, Revelation 6 or Rev. 20?! - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 8:40 PM
        2. More about the death of the soul..... - Ross on Mar 5, 2003, 5:38 PM
          1. You quoted Psalms. - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 9:24 AM
      2. All souls will die because all have sinned..... - Ross on Mar 4, 2003, 7:18 PM
        1. That is why Christ died for us - Saleem on Mar 5, 2003, 4:46 PM
          1. You are talking about the second death.... - Ross on Mar 5, 2003, 5:18 PM
            1. So does Ezekiel and all the verses you quoted. - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 5:12 PM
              1. The first death is the first payment for sin.......... - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 5:51 PM
                1. The second death is also payment for sin. - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 6:04 PM
                  1. Yes, that's true and there is no salvation for them...Because they - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 10:48 PM
              2. The first death refers to death of all men as first payment for sin.. - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 6:08 PM
                1. If that isit, then how come some men won't experience the first death? - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 6:19 PM
                  1. Indeed they are very lucky because they are in Christ body... - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 10:54 PM
                    1. I thought you said that all men will die, because all have sinned? - Saleem on Mar 7, 2003, 8:46 AM
                      1. I did not say it..... - Ross on Mar 7, 2003, 12:26 PM
                      2. Then, not everybody dies... - Saleem on Mar 7, 2003, 12:30 PM
                      3. Ask your question to God.... - Ross on Mar 7, 2003, 12:38 PM
                      4. So it is true that the soul does not die - Saleem on Mar 7, 2003, 12:45 PM
                      5. Wrong again....No such thing as IMMORTAL SOUL... - Ross on Mar 7, 2003, 6:25 PM
        2. dying spiritually is not the same as being extinguished from existence! - csdr on Mar 5, 2003, 4:56 PM
          1. You are out of topic.... - Ross on Mar 5, 2003, 5:22 PM
            1. dying spiritually is an expression to denote eternal separation from God and pertains to - csdr on Mar 5, 2003, 10:48 PM
              1. What do you have to say about these verses?? - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 6:57 AM
                1. You're talking about the second death - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 5:13 PM
                  1. The second death in the lake of fire is different from death... - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 5:42 PM
                    1. Where does it say that? - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 6:03 PM
                      1. Read it above... - Ross on Mar 6, 2003, 6:09 PM
                      2. Sorry, but it's not in there - Saleem on Mar 6, 2003, 6:20 PM
        3. The soul shall die when and where? - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 9:27 AM
    3. How about this Truthfinder? having diffulties too? - csdr on Mar 4, 2003, 4:48 PM
    4. oh my , that was merely a vision in metaphor - truthfinder on Mar 4, 2003, 4:59 PM
      1. Again, mere opinion not backed up by scriptures. Is everything that contradicts your.... - csdr on Mar 4, 2003, 5:02 PM
        1. what is the cry of Abel's blood seeking for justice to you - truthfinder on Mar 4, 2003, 5:56 PM
          1. Why do you ask me? did I quote this verse? Please explain your intention? - csdr on Mar 4, 2003, 11:54 PM
            1. that is a proof CSDR - truthfinder on Mar 5, 2003, 11:56 AM
              1. "the voice of thy brother's blood crieth" is an expression of the need for justice. - csdr on Mar 5, 2003, 5:03 PM
              2. Rev. 6:9 is a vision of what will happen to the dead saint's souls. It does not ONLY - csdr on Mar 5, 2003, 5:14 PM
      2. So, is Psalm 44: 25 figurative as well? - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 9:32 AM
        1. Figurative only in your own mind.... - Ross on Mar 7, 2003, 6:28 PM
          1. So you think Psalm 44: 25 is literal? - Kristian on Mar 7, 2003, 8:41 PM
          2. "There is no such thing as immortal soul." - Saleem on Mar 10, 2003, 8:18 AM
    5. think about this.. - truthfinder on Mar 8, 2003, 11:32 AM
      1. So, everything in Revelations are figurative for you? - csdr on Mar 9, 2003, 10:44 PM
    6. BUMP FOR TF - csdr on Jul 9, 2005, 6:13 PM
    7. Re: ANOTHER CASE OF IGNORANCE OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION BY TRUTHFINDER - [REVELATION 6:9-11] - tf on Jul 9, 2005, 9:05 PM
      1. . - tf on Apr 16, 2014, 9:30 PM
      2. Phil. 2:10 speaks of "every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, - Albert on Apr 17, 2014, 6:24 AM
      3. In 1Peter 3:19, Jesus preached to the spirits... - Albert on Apr 17, 2014, 6:44 AM
     
  2. Islam-INC 101 - Let the work of Satan be refuted View Thread - Jason on Jun 8, 2006, 1:01 AM
    1. Repost for Truthseekers: One God, the Father vs. the Trinity - Ravenousbird2004 on Jun 10, 2006, 11:46 PM
      1. This post crushed down Jason's attempt to muddle the truth. - mikel on Jun 11, 2006, 4:35 AM
        1. And here is what mikel endorses. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jun 11, 2006, 9:14 AM
        2. This is all rav is capable of doing - Jason on Jun 11, 2006, 3:17 PM
          1. For your info, that's my PERSONAL STUDY/THESIS, my friend.... - Ravenousbird2004 on Jun 16, 2006, 7:05 AM
            1. . - tf on Apr 16, 2014, 10:39 PM
    2. Rav, Mikel, Rus, can you please DIRECTLY refute this post - Jason on Jun 11, 2006, 3:20 PM
    3. Mike, can you show me how my interpretations are wrong here - Jason on Jun 15, 2006, 10:19 PM
    4. Bump for Glenn - Jason on Jun 28, 2006, 10:51 PM
    5. Glenn since you are the best INC I have seen here - I am trying to keep this on top - Jason on Jun 29, 2006, 11:34 PM
      1. I don't think that INC ministers can hold on a scholarly debate - Another Insider on Jul 1, 2006, 2:33 AM
        1. stop pretending loser - tf on Jul 1, 2006, 3:00 AM
        2. No this is very true, all INC members here cannot think for themselves - Jason on Jul 1, 2006, 6:01 PM
    6. I'll get to it... - FTT on Jul 4, 2006, 7:13 AM
    7. Bump - Jason on Jul 30, 2006, 8:09 PM
     
  3. Yet another truth for the INC to consider regarding FYM, and get out of the deception. View Thread - Michael on Apr 10, 2014, 5:35 AM
    1. Re: Yet another truth for the INC to consider regarding FYM, and get out of the deception. - tf on Apr 10, 2014, 11:07 AM
      1. FELIX MANALO? NO DIRECT LINK. YES, IT'S A DECEPTION - bobbyisfriend on Apr 10, 2014, 10:07 PM
        1. The Bible shouldn't be understood like an ordinary book. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2014, 1:13 AM
     
  4. THE LOVE OF GOD FOR MAN. View Thread - Michael on Apr 10, 2014, 5:10 AM
    1. love in truth - tf on Apr 10, 2014, 11:06 AM
     
  5. mike what do u mean by hypostasis? View Thread - tf on Apr 7, 2014, 2:18 AM
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  7. rf, is Jesus adopted son or begotten Son of God? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 3, 2014, 8:34 PM
    1. tf, not rf. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 3, 2014, 8:35 PM
    2. is he begotten god of god or not dean? - tf on Apr 3, 2014, 8:57 PM
    3. tf, I am glad you agree. "Jesus is the only begotten Son of God." - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 6, 2014, 9:58 AM
      1. really?do u mean gods begotten god? - tf on Apr 7, 2014, 1:55 AM
     
  8. To the INCer: Scriptures that proves that the Holy Spirit is God. View Thread - Michael on Mar 19, 2014, 9:00 PM
    1. God speaks and acts also through the HS - tf on Mar 20, 2014, 3:04 AM
      1. TF, rejecting the truth laid out in the OP does not refute it. - Michael on Mar 20, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. you merely cited an incident not a declaration or teaching of who should we believed in - tf on Mar 26, 2014, 3:36 AM
    2. tf. your religion doesn't believe in the H.S. Yet the H.S. speaks. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 20, 2014, 6:42 AM
      1. You speak here like Modalists, like Oneness Pentecostals for example. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 7:23 PM
    3. So, no INCer, even TF, apparently can't refute the OP. - Michael on Mar 21, 2014, 9:09 AM
      1. god sends the holy spirit - tf on Mar 23, 2014, 10:41 PM
        1. Man's logic really would lead you to destruction. Trust in the spirit. And that - Michael on Mar 24, 2014, 1:45 AM
          1. clearly the one sent is not the being sent right? - TF on Mar 24, 2014, 3:24 AM
            1. Of course. You reality don't understand the trinity you are here refuting. - Michael on Mar 24, 2014, 8:48 AM
              1. ohhh so you understand the trinity?? - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2014, 2:40 AM
                1. What do you want me to say? - Michael on Mar 25, 2014, 10:58 AM
                  1. yes or no do you understand the trinity of yours? - tf on Mar 26, 2014, 3:34 AM
                    1. Yes. My understanding of the trinity is different from yours.Now perhaps you can address - Michael on Mar 28, 2014, 8:59 PM
                      1. ok i don't understand your trinity...now do you understand your trinity? - tf on Mar 30, 2014, 12:15 AM
                      2. What kind of question is that? Of course I do. - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 2:17 AM
                      3. I wonder how you got into this thread when you haven't read the OP. Anyway. - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 2:18 AM
                      4. so u understand the trinity.. - tf on Apr 1, 2014, 1:48 AM
                      5. You ask 1+1+1=?. Answer: 3 Are we now back to school? You're funny TF. - Michael on Apr 1, 2014, 7:03 PM
                      6. then you have three gods - tf on Apr 6, 2014, 9:27 PM
                      7. TF, how did you arrived with that with 1+1+1=3? - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 10:32 PM
    4. Michael, these verses are not enough proof the HS is God. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 7:37 PM
      1. Well, not to you perhaps. - Michael on Mar 28, 2014, 8:54 PM
        1. God is a spirit, sure, but he is not the only spirit - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 9:10 PM
          1. Of course God is not the only spirit, but He is the only uncreated Holy Spirit. - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 8:48 PM
            1. First of all, if the Holy Spirit is God, then God would not be the Holy Spirit, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 11:01 PM
     
  9. leade comment .why inc keeps on expanding View Thread - tf on Mar 3, 2014, 9:42 PM
    1. Simple. Jesus prophesied it. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 4, 2014, 5:53 AM
      1. no not your.church.. - tf on Mar 4, 2014, 4:34 PM
        1. Yes, in Britain, like other European countries, RCC is declining. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2014, 10:15 PM
          1. well that is pityful - tf on Mar 8, 2014, 7:56 PM
            1. because many have been decieved by the wolf in sheeps clothing-Manalo - James on Mar 13, 2014, 1:19 PM
              1. I don't know if FYM was saved or deceiver, but at least he preached the gospel. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:28 PM
            2. Tf, RCC is declining due to errors, but it is still a good church, - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:30 PM
              1. it's a terrible church,, my goddness .. - tf on Mar 17, 2014, 4:03 AM
                1. OK, so it is safer in Jakarta than in Manila, but that is q - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 9:39 PM
                  1. catholicim morality is one of the problem .m - tf on Apr 1, 2014, 1:51 AM
                    1. The reasons are poverty and the drug war, not Catholicism, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 11:23 PM
          2. '...and it is growing only thanks to immigration' - jhenry69 on Mar 13, 2014, 6:35 PM
            1. OK, INC also grows due to population. But - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:33 PM
     
  10. Michael explain how God can be begotten? View Thread - TF on Mar 24, 2014, 3:26 AM
    1. I have somehow discussed to you already. - Michael on Mar 24, 2014, 7:59 AM
      1. respond here..i want this to be one-on-one thread between us - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2014, 2:40 AM
        1. As you requested then. - Michael on Mar 25, 2014, 10:50 AM
          1. where is the suporting verse of begotten god?not - tf on Mar 26, 2014, 3:06 AM
            1. John 1:18 - Michael on Mar 26, 2014, 3:00 PM
              1. but that only verse you have is even dubious among scholars - tf on Mar 27, 2014, 3:55 AM
                1. Dubious at it maybe to others, as it is to you, it does not follow that it is not the - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 9:38 AM
                  1. are your opinion bette than the greek scholars? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 2014, 4:09 AM
                    1. Scholars are not unanimous on what text is the correct one. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 7:29 AM
                      1. yes that is why you r not sire of your belief in that verse - tf on Apr 4, 2014, 10:08 AM
                      2. Belief is not based on a single verse but on the entire scriptures. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 3:09 PM
     
  11. Christ is God's begotten Son not God's begotten God..Michael i pity you View Thread - tf on Mar 26, 2014, 3:28 AM
    1. hi michael - truthfinder on Mar 26, 2014, 10:06 PM
    2. Perhaps it's your turn to tell me what "monogenes" means, before I proceed to refute. - Michael on Mar 26, 2014, 11:52 PM
      1. u agree of the phrase God's begotten God? - tf on Mar 27, 2014, 3:46 AM
        1. As I said, your turn first TF, then it's my turn. - Michael on Mar 27, 2014, 12:18 PM
          1. you want to masked your belief and afraid to see the actual result of your deceit? - tf on Mar 27, 2014, 9:42 PM
            1. What masked are you talking about? You asked and I wanted to be clarified of your question - Michael on Mar 27, 2014, 11:48 PM
              1. that is your belief Chris't is God's begotten God, the result of your verse manipulations - tf on Mar 28, 2014, 3:06 AM
                1. You are wrong. Apparently you always fail to understand me and - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 1:05 AM
                  1. so tell me do you accept "God's begotten God" phrase - tf on Mar 30, 2014, 12:50 AM
                    1. Aren't you tired of asking an already answered question? Really. Wow. - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 12:59 AM
                      1. so God's begotten God is wrong right? - tf on Mar 30, 2014, 1:29 AM
                      2. Finally. - Michael on Apr 1, 2014, 9:32 PM
                      3. thx for admitting - tf on Apr 2, 2014, 12:45 AM
                      4. Admitting what? You were the one who said God's begotten God, not me. - Michael on Apr 2, 2014, 1:01 AM
                      5. everybody knows that is your belief.. - tf on Apr 2, 2014, 11:37 AM
                      6. Wrong. That is what only you say I believe. - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 9:27 PM
                      7. don't change the topic - truthfinder on Apr 3, 2014, 9:32 PM
                      8. I'm just driving a point, not changing the topic TF. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 12:11 AM
     
 
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