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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

The intention of this board is to discuss the teachings of the Iglesia Ni Cristo. The rules are: A) must respect others, B) no profanity, C) no name calling, D) no ANONYMOUS posting, and E) must post in English. Messages that contain profane languages or insulting will be deleted. What can be posted? You may post Church doctrines or questions about the doctrines but not questions about individual or member's deed/practice. As host/administrator, I will remain neutral. This means -I will not comment on any post. I will read the post and then make a judgement whether or not it violates any rule. If it does, it will be removed. Lastly, I'm an X-INC.
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  1. The Catholic Church Jesus founded will last forever! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 2014, 6:53 AM
    1. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 2014, 7:57 PM
      1. "By their fruits you will know them" (Matt. 7:20). - INCquisitor on Jan 9, 2014, 4:41 AM
        1. Do you think you are infallible? - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:23 PM
          1. Tomas, why can't you believe what Jesus says? - INCquisitor on Jan 12, 2014, 3:54 PM
            1. I do believe Jesus. And I understand Mt. 7:15-20 better - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. Re: I do believe Jesus. And I understand Mt. 7:15-20 better - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2014, 5:25 PM
                1. The ravenous wolves are not Christians, so they are not people like Catholics, - Tomas on Jan 31, 2014, 11:37 PM
                  1. Your understanding truly STINKS! - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 2014, 7:24 AM
                    1. I have to agree with INCquisitor, also Catholics can be ravenous - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 2014, 5:57 PM
                      1. False prophets are "ravenous wolves" and also blind leaders. - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 2014, 7:22 AM
                      2. You're a ravenous wolf yourself. Jesus was talking about the Pharisees. Were the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 2014, 9:03 AM
                      3. Jesus was talking of "false prophets who come in - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 2014, 10:57 AM
                      4. This is correct. But there is no prophecy, that says all church leaders will turn into - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 3, 2014, 11:23 AM
                      5. The core of the Catholic Church came from the few - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 2014, 11:56 AM
                      6. Your misunderstandings are hilarious. There is no prophecy in Acts 20:29 that would - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2014, 7:25 AM
                      7. Jesus did not lose "all" his sheep. - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 2014, 12:15 PM
                      8. You're still repeating INC crap. You never left that false church. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 6, 2014, 2:11 PM
                      9. I did not say the INC is Jesus' sheep, did I? - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 2014, 7:20 PM
                      10. You don't even know church history. If the Catholic Church started in the 8th century, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 7, 2014, 9:01 AM
                      11. Guenter, I agree with you some Catholics are ravenous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:00 PM
                      12. Hallelujah, Tomas admits a mistake! People, mark your calender! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
                      13. Yes, made a mistake, but at least I can spell calendar. - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 6:07 PM
                      14. What a cheap shot. True Tomas is coming alive. No typos allowed here. Must be an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2014, 7:13 PM
                      15. That was just a friendly comment. After all, I myself admitted - Tomas on Feb 21, 2014, 10:20 PM
                      16. If it was meant to be friendly, I will forgive you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2014, 9:13 AM
                      17. OK, thank you. Let's be friends again. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 7:38 PM
                    2. INCquisitor, of course unsaved priests are ravenous wolves, but saved priests - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 6:56 PM
                      1. There is no "saved" priest in the Catholic Church. - INCquisitor on Feb 9, 2014, 4:55 PM
                      2. Catholic priests preach the gospel, some believe it, so are saved. - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 7:33 PM
                      3. Re: Catholic priests preach the gospel, some believe it, so are saved. - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 2014, 8:14 AM
                      4. We don't have to know everything Bible says about Christ, to be saved. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 12:08 AM
    2. Actually, the Satanic control over the church ended with the reformation - Jason on Jan 8, 2014, 8:57 PM
      1. The church was never controlled by Satan. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:20 PM
        1. One who goes AGAINST the doctrines of Christ is.... - INCquisitor on Jan 14, 2014, 11:41 AM
          1. Bread and butter error verse of INC and their cohorts: John 17:3. You and the false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 2014, 12:06 PM
            1. John 17:3 is a vague verse not telling us if the Father alone is the only - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 7:28 PM
              1. Sure, you are the expert who is gonna be saved or not. Not by God's grace, but your grace. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2014, 8:34 PM
                1. By God's grace. And I don't know who is saved, I only know - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 8:46 PM
                  1. You said more than once that you know that you are saved. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2014, 9:57 PM
                    1. I waited for God's grace, I appealed to God to make it clear to me, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 10:19 PM
                      1. Well, you don't believe in one of the essential or primary doctrines, namely the deity of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 2014, 6:07 PM
                      2. The deity of Jesus is not an essential doctrine. - Tomas on Jan 31, 2014, 11:56 PM
                      3. You're so infallible about essential and none essential doctrines. Unfortunately, you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 2014, 9:06 AM
                      4. It is very clear in the Bible, that there is no verse saying - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:04 PM
                      5. It only says you will die in your sins, but that, of course, is not essential. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2014, 12:53 PM
                      6. It does not say you need to believe in whatever He says, - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 8:03 PM
                      7. Good for you that you want to believe everything that Jesus said. Unfortunately, you don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2014, 5:58 PM
                      8. I believe in everything Jesus said, both words in the Bible, - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 12:25 AM
                      9. How do you know Jesus said something if it is not recorded in the Bible? - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 2014, 9:03 AM
                      10. Tomas needs to add to what is written to make his wrong believes plausible. I have to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2014, 9:17 AM
                      11. Alright, Tom, I know. At least you know how to spell "his beliefs". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2014, 1:34 AM
                      12. Yes, I probably learned to spell belief in tenth grade. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 7:53 PM
                      13. INCquisitor, he must have, otherwise he would not have allowed - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 7:41 PM
                      14. You're not only adding to the scriptures, you're also adding to what I said. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2014, 9:49 AM
                      15. I am not adding to the Bible, what I add I don't put in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 8:15 PM
          2. INCquisitor, belief that the Father alone is the only true God, is not - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 7:25 PM
            1. The belief tht the Father is the ONLY TRUE God is - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2014, 5:33 PM
              1. Trinitarians and binitarians do believe that the Father is the only true God. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2014, 12:03 AM
                1. What are you Tomas, a Trinitarian or an Binitarian? - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 2014, 7:53 AM
                  1. I am neither. I am a believer in the doctrine that we can't - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:08 PM
                    1. Didn't you know or don't you believe that Jesus said... - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 2014, 5:07 AM
                      1. He did say he was a man, he did not say he would be a man again - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      2. Jesus is MAN now and will be a MAN when he comes again. - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 2014, 6:09 PM
                      3. He will be a man when he comes again, but he is not necessarily a man now. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 12:47 AM
                      4. How many TRUE Gods are here Tomas? Who are they? - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 2014, 4:39 AM
                      5. Only one true God, who might be more than one person. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 8:16 PM
        2. Not entirely controlled by Satan, but a great many Catholic leaders were. The were the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 2014, 12:12 PM
        3. The RCC was never the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2014, 7:18 AM
          1. What other church existed from the onset? NONE, the only church in existence for hundreds - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2014, 7:57 AM
            1. The Catholic church was never the only church in existence. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 7:51 PM
              1. OK, I was in part wrong, but you are too. The RCC and ALL the Orthodox - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2014, 9:03 PM
                1. The Catholic church excommunicated the Monophysite churches, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 9:13 PM
                  1. It's not in the Bible? Here you go again, you said you'll be saved but you're telling lies - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 2014, 8:07 AM
                    1. This was a temporary Law of Moses commandment. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2014, 12:13 AM
                      1. Jesus abolished to worship and serve God only when He told Satan to do just that? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 2014, 6:55 PM
                      2. Not at that time. Only later, after he appointed his twelve - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:10 PM
                      3. LOL, we can't know when, but we know THAT? No witness, He did it, but He did? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2014, 12:45 PM
                      4. Jesus said a lot that is not in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 8:40 PM
                      5. You shall not add to what is written. You do, to defend your errors! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2014, 7:15 PM
                      6. I am not adding to the Bible. Those words were indeed not written. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 12:57 AM
                      7. You're a joke, Tomas, really. YOU need to harmonize the Bible, God was too stupid to do - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2014, 10:09 AM
                      8. God is not stupid. His Bible is in harmony, only we need - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 8:27 PM
                      9. Tomas, that's reading BEYOND what is written. - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 2014, 4:42 AM
                      10. INCquisitor, I totally agree with you. Tomas seems to become the jerk of the forum here. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2014, 9:59 AM
                      11. I proclaim we are not supposed to know, only about things - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 8:34 PM
                      12. No, INCquisitor, that is only trying to figure out what the written - Tomas on Feb 28, 2014, 8:31 PM
      2. RCC is still under the control of Satan and Protestants too. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2014, 7:14 AM
        1. Not true, the saved Catholics and Protestants do not deny - Tomas on Feb 1, 2014, 12:17 AM
          1. The Cathoic Church teaches "doctrines of demons... - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 2014, 6:45 AM
            1. No, 1 Tim. 4:1-3 is not about the Catholic church, it is a prophecy - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:22 PM
              1. It is the ledership of any religious organization - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 2014, 3:24 PM
                1. It is a sin of ignorance, they say those things are not idols, - Tomas on Feb 14, 2014, 9:00 PM
        2. INCquisitor, in your heart you are still an Iglesia. You believe Iglesia teachings. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 1, 2014, 8:59 AM
          1. Catholic and INC have both departed from the faith and - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 2014, 3:05 PM
    3. Jason contradicts the words of Jesus and displays lack of faith in Him. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 9, 2014, 3:27 AM
     
  2. POSTS THAT NEED MY ATTENTION, PLS. PROVIDE THE View Thread - Host on Oct 2, 2002, 10:00 PM
    1. Greetings to all my Brothers in Christ! - im_ur_sister on Nov 3, 2002, 6:42 AM
      1. Re: Greetings to all my Brothers in Christ! - ka sancti on Jul 24, 2003, 10:25 PM
        1. About the death of Bro Felix Manalo - Gabriella Sancti on Mar 27, 2005, 11:39 PM
          1. He deserved it. - Leon1574 on Jul 30, 2005, 1:49 PM
            1. rep: - Zhette on Mar 24, 2007, 12:42 AM
              1. Re: rep: - dee on Mar 24, 2007, 9:03 AM
                1. do you know what's the answer? - mayafaith on Feb 22, 2008, 6:35 PM
            2. your not a Christian....... - noel on Jul 2, 2007, 12:10 AM
            3. bad! - mayafaith on Feb 22, 2008, 6:33 PM
          2. If a Pope or a Catholic die of ulcer or cancer: that's God's Punishment? - Vincent Reyes on Jul 2, 2007, 10:41 PM
          3. Mga Nagturo na Tao si Cristo Sumabog daw ang mga Bituka? - louie on Sep 16, 2011, 4:05 AM
            1. The rules say post in English only. - Tomas on Sep 23, 2011, 9:55 AM
      2. Hello 2 all IGLESIA NI CRISTO members!!!! - eon on Jul 7, 2006, 3:56 AM
      3. reply - Zhette on Mar 24, 2007, 12:46 AM
    2. Attention moderators: Obscenity has no place here. - VoiceintheWilderness on Dec 29, 2002, 5:26 AM
    3. This has no place in this forum. - Jasbir on Jan 3, 2003, 2:39 PM
      1. Thanks, Glenn. - Jasbir on Jan 4, 2003, 10:31 PM
        1. Anytime, friend. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jan 4, 2003, 10:35 PM
    4. Please, delete this one.. - aicrow on Jan 9, 2003, 12:53 AM
      1. done. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jan 9, 2003, 2:39 AM
        1. let us discuss our doctrine point by point - Anonymous on Mar 25, 2004, 1:03 AM
          1. LET GOD INTRODUCE HIMSELF THRU HIS WORDS - Cris on Feb 26, 2005, 1:55 PM
            1. Nice topic on wrong thread... - Moderator on Feb 26, 2005, 3:33 PM
          2. i want to play with you.... - noel on Jul 2, 2007, 12:14 AM
    5. Post to delete... - aicrow on Jan 9, 2003, 2:52 AM
      1. As much as I'd like to delete it, I won't... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jan 9, 2003, 5:04 AM
        1. Ohhhh, OK. - aicrow on Jan 10, 2003, 3:19 AM
      2. Iglesia Ni Kristo please repent of your sins - Dean Gunraj on Oct 3, 2003, 5:56 PM
        1. What you should have read by now, but weren't allowed to... - Dean Gunraj on Oct 3, 2003, 6:15 PM
    6. emails - jpilon on Jan 12, 2003, 9:39 AM
      1. Perhaps one of your net54 - Host on Jan 15, 2003, 10:40 PM
    7. SO THAT EVERYONE ELSE MAY KNOW.... - Host on Jan 15, 2003, 10:56 PM
      1. Glenn is the man. - Jasbir on Jan 15, 2003, 11:14 PM
      2. Good job, Glenn...and correction Imor... - Saleem on Jan 17, 2003, 6:28 AM
    8. What's happening to the Forum? - WinSurfer, RCC on Jan 16, 2003, 4:18 PM
    9. Is anybody having the same problem? - WinSurfer on Jan 16, 2003, 9:58 PM
      1. It's called jamming. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jan 17, 2003, 5:29 PM
        1. You're kidding me. - Jasbir on Jan 17, 2003, 5:39 PM
    10. If Mr God Had Clear Conscience - iraandpass on Feb 4, 2003, 3:49 AM
      1. Marked for deletion - this post is off topic and on the wrong thread. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 4, 2003, 11:42 AM
    11. RES's name-calling and personal attacks. - Kristian on Jul 24, 2003, 11:57 PM
      1. reply - - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jul 25, 2003, 3:51 PM
        1. damn right you're inconsistent - squidd d.r. on Aug 13, 2003, 10:53 PM
    12. Please help! - IncRus on Jul 26, 2003, 8:16 AM
      1. Re: - Kristian on Jul 26, 2003, 8:41 AM
        1. Thanks Kristian... - IncRus on Jul 26, 2003, 9:17 AM
    13. Bro. Glenn! - Llara Quintana-Chica on Sep 3, 2003, 6:40 AM
      1. Bro. Glenn is resting. Do you mind telling us why you are an INC? - VoiceintheWilderness on Sep 3, 2003, 3:57 PM
        1. Voice I firmly appreciate your stand for Christ - Dean Gunraj on Oct 3, 2003, 4:41 PM
          1. Hi Dean, - VoiceintheWilderness on Oct 3, 2003, 7:05 PM
            1. no offense taken, thanks for the advise actually i have - Dean Gunraj on Oct 3, 2003, 7:19 PM
        2. Re: Bro. Glenn is resting. Do you mind telling us why you are an INC? - Anonymous on Jan 1, 2004, 11:20 AM
      2. The rules are: - squidd on Sep 3, 2003, 8:22 PM
        1. Hi Squidd. I was going to play Ying Yang midi "I drink by myself" - VoiceintheWilderness on Sep 3, 2003, 10:05 PM
          1. hi voice! - squidd on Sep 4, 2003, 5:46 PM
            1. The gift of discernment. - VoiceintheWilderness on Sep 6, 2003, 7:56 AM
      3. Since when did the INC in the Philippines started using the term "Devotional Prayer"? - Dr. Lucia Teen on Sep 3, 2003, 9:25 PM
        1. Re: Since when did the INC in the Philippines started using the term &quote;Devotional Prayer&am - Anonymous on Jan 1, 2004, 11:17 AM
        2. Re: Since when did the INC in the Philippines started using the term "Devotional Prayer"? - Anonymous on Sep 23, 2004, 2:00 PM
      4. I DO remember you, sister! And I'm very happy to hear... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Sep 8, 2003, 6:08 PM
      5. Bible interpretation - Cristino Angelese on Jan 22, 2005, 12:46 PM
    14. Has the purpose of htis thread been changed? - Theo Book on Sep 6, 2003, 7:25 AM
    15. I am having a problem getting into the main thread, why? - RS on Feb 29, 2004, 4:32 AM
    16. i really can't understand why I am having problem getting to the main thread... pls help! - RS on Feb 29, 2004, 4:59 AM
    17. Imor, what will you do with these hieroglyphics? - VoiceintheWilderness on Mar 10, 2004, 9:30 PM
    18. So is this forum kaput? - VoiceintheWilderness on Mar 11, 2004, 7:29 PM
    19. Divorce - Lauren on Mar 24, 2004, 10:41 PM
      1. hi.... - RS on Mar 24, 2004, 10:53 PM
    20. Nice site - Mr. Luciano Tin on Apr 20, 2004, 6:55 PM
    21. Suggestion about lay-out - Dr. Lucia Teen on Apr 20, 2004, 8:57 PM
      1. i agree, if there is.... - RS on Apr 21, 2004, 5:30 PM
    22. Check this out. - Bro RSP on Jun 9, 2004, 3:19 PM
    23. tf - Kristian on Jul 4, 2004, 7:48 PM
    24. tf (again) - Kristian on Jul 4, 2004, 10:28 PM
    25. truthfinder, for the nth time. - Kristian on Jul 8, 2004, 1:24 AM
    26. Blame the - Host on Jul 27, 2004, 8:27 PM
    27. Please delete the post listed herein, as it adds nothing to the thought of the thread. - Theo Book on Aug 5, 2004, 4:40 PM
    28. Posts that are written in tagalog - Host on Aug 5, 2004, 9:58 PM
    29. Question - V on Oct 9, 2004, 8:51 AM
      1. Yes, but.. - Host on Oct 9, 2004, 9:45 PM
      2. Re: Question - danilo on Mar 12, 2005, 2:52 PM
    30. follow up - danilo on Mar 12, 2005, 2:46 PM
    31. As it has no redeeming quality, Please delete the thread at - Theo_Book on Apr 20, 2005, 3:29 PM
    32. Please delete the post referenced within, as it is argumentative having no redeeming value - Theo_Book on May 11, 2005, 2:33 AM
    33. anggelos - Kristian on May 23, 2005, 9:25 PM
    34. Hello Imor... Please find a replacement for me... - Gordon Cancio on Jun 14, 2005, 6:29 PM
      1. Theo Will Surely Miss You Gordon (nt) - WinSurfer, RCC on Jun 14, 2005, 10:03 PM
    35. Attention Moderator. Please remind IncRus about insulting remarks - VoiceintheWilderness on Jul 30, 2005, 10:23 PM
    36. Here are the links of TF. - csdr on Aug 13, 2005, 4:21 AM
      1. Nos. 1, 2, 3 were modifed... - Moderator on Aug 13, 2005, 4:35 AM
      2. another link from tf, you miught have given the wrong link csdr... - squidd on Aug 14, 2005, 7:17 PM
    37. Greetings to all Brethrens!!! - alice on Aug 20, 2005, 9:42 PM
    38. Moderator, how long will you allow this child to play loosely on the board? - Theo_Book on Oct 12, 2005, 1:06 AM
    39. Would the host consider reinstating the search possibility to the board? - Theo_Book on Oct 15, 2005, 5:37 AM
      1. Yes, we can but - Host on Oct 17, 2005, 9:06 PM
    40. To Imor and Gordon - Theo Book on Oct 23, 2005, 5:35 AM
      1. That might be a good thing, Theo - discoverer on Oct 23, 2005, 9:54 PM
      2. theo proves a point - Tuberculosis on Oct 24, 2005, 1:47 PM
      3. Theo, Theo, where is the wisdom of the wise? - Jasbir on Oct 24, 2005, 10:01 PM
      4. Re: To Imor and Gordon - Host on Oct 25, 2005, 11:25 PM
        1. Hello Imor... - Gordon on Oct 25, 2005, 11:49 PM
        2. He Must Be Referring To My Post - WinSurfer, RCC on Oct 26, 2005, 10:29 AM
          1. Theo Book changed ever since the "harpagmos" debate in which he lost terribly. - csdr on Oct 31, 2005, 8:39 PM
    41. i'm almost certain this is INCs doing - Tuberculosis on Nov 5, 2005, 2:10 PM
      1. I Could Never Agree More (nt) - WinSurfer, RCC on Nov 5, 2005, 3:33 PM
    42. "Trying the spirits" - ric32bailey on Nov 9, 2005, 3:22 PM
      1. Please create another thread. - Bro RSP on Nov 9, 2005, 3:42 PM
    43. Check posts of TOKAK - Anonymous on Jan 4, 2006, 2:16 AM
      1. pls. post in english... - squidd on Jan 7, 2006, 6:23 AM
    44. I'm getting weird character in the forum - Rey on Jan 14, 2006, 12:39 AM
      1. It has - Host on Jan 14, 2006, 7:34 PM
    45. please close this thread - tuberculosis on Mar 6, 2006, 8:31 AM
    46. Can you please check the IP addresses of three participants on this forum? - Edward Watson on Mar 12, 2007, 4:02 PM
      1. What's The Matter Ed ??? - WinSurfer, RCC on Mar 12, 2007, 8:18 PM
      2. JUST BECAUSE - FORTES_IN_FIDE on Mar 13, 2007, 9:46 AM
    47. Attention Mr. Moderator. You have already warned Jimsky before. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jul 5, 2007, 3:37 PM
    48. Please delete post of Rav at:: - VoiceintheWilderness on Jul 26, 2007, 5:57 AM
    49. I disagree that my post was deleted... - Ravenousbird2004 on Jul 28, 2007, 6:59 AM
      1. Pls. repost what you have deleted... - Ravenousbird2004 on Jul 28, 2007, 7:00 AM
    50. I worked two hours on a post when I was logged on, but - Guenter on Sep 13, 2007, 7:16 PM
      1. Guenter, it's called session. Nothing the host can do about it. - VoiceintheWilderness on Sep 13, 2007, 8:26 PM
        1. I like you, man! - Guenter on Sep 13, 2007, 8:59 PM
    51. Hey Imor - if these ads keep popping up every time I change pages - the sinner on Feb 20, 2008, 5:24 AM
      1. Enable your - i_imor on Feb 24, 2008, 10:51 PM
    52. "pls. help me god" - julius on May 14, 2008, 11:01 PM
    53. I'm having problems with this forum... - Gordon on Jun 1, 2008, 8:52 PM
      1. Thanks for posting that. I though it was MY computor. - Theo Book on Jun 2, 2008, 5:27 AM
        1. Yep... - Gordon on Jun 2, 2008, 9:13 PM
          1. Its a script, not an ad - Theo Book on Jun 3, 2008, 6:41 AM
            1. Everytime I scroll up or down... - Gordon on Jun 3, 2008, 7:37 PM
    54. Hello Imor, Your forum is dying. - Beatrice77 on Nov 3, 2010, 5:19 AM
      1. Please show the posts in question. - Moderator on Nov 3, 2010, 7:21 AM
      2. This Barry Santos is obviously ETE pretending to be somebody else. - Beatrice77 on Nov 3, 2010, 10:05 AM
        1. Beatrice, I wouldn't be so sure. ETE is full of errors and full of himself (like the - Guenter (Ex-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2010, 11:54 PM
        2. Admins have full access to IP Address. He can verify the IP Address of ETE - Beatrice77 on Nov 4, 2010, 5:41 AM
    55. Hello, Imor, why did you lock the whole thread beginning - Tomas on Dec 23, 2010, 6:41 PM
    56. hahaha...good...i like that... - ahihi on Feb 2, 2012, 6:36 PM
    57. by the way don't forget this...E) must post in English - ahihi on Feb 2, 2012, 7:02 PM
    58. Please delete this thread. Link posted below. Thank you - Wayne on Apr 16, 2012, 10:12 AM
    59. I object to its deletion. It's a legitimate charge against F. Manalo. It's headline news. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 2012, 10:57 AM
    60. Re: POSTS THAT NEED MY ATTENTION, PLS. PROVIDE THE - ncv on May 29, 2012, 1:16 PM
    61. Please check your email system. Although I am always checking the square in front of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2014, 9:28 AM
     
  3. INCquisitor, if you want the truth, you have to believe the important words of Jesus. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 2, 2014, 8:45 AM
    1. Re: INCquisitor, if you want the truth, you have to believe the important words of Jesus. - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 2014, 11:39 AM
    2. Dean, you can't convince INCquisitor. His brain is too small to properly understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2014, 7:30 AM
      1. You know what's the problem with you? - INCquisitor on Feb 4, 2014, 1:16 PM
        1. Whatever you say. I'm done with you, you're rejecting any help. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2014, 2:51 PM
          1. Why would anyone accept your help in REJECTING - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 2014, 11:54 AM
    3. INCquisitor, your mind is still polluted with false teachings of the INC ministers. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 5, 2014, 2:07 AM
      1. I couldn't agree more. And he is still adding to the scriptures to defend his false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 7, 2014, 8:18 AM
        1. Hurling false accusations rather than facing the issue is childish. - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2014, 6:29 AM
          1. Only ONE example: You added ALONE to John 17:3; it's nowhere written. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2014, 10:39 AM
            1. "Only" means "ALONE in its class or kind." - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2014, 9:19 AM
              1. You're adding to the scriptures. God is alone in His class or kind. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 20, 2014, 2:24 PM
                1. The Father is ALONE in His class or kind of TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Feb 21, 2014, 2:51 PM
                  1. OK, I'm through with you. You're not only blind with your eyes, you're blind with your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2014, 9:05 AM
    4. INCquisitor rejects the words of Jesus. In effect calls Jesus a liar. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 5, 2014, 6:14 AM
      1. The Catholic Church is NOT the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Feb 5, 2014, 5:31 PM
     
  4. Iglesias like to quote Rom 16:16. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 22, 2014, 6:16 AM
    1. Yes, the Churches of Christ also use this verse as - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 7:40 AM
     
  5. The INC's belief that the thief on the cross was saved is as FALSE.... View Thread - INCquisitor on Aug 2, 2011, 3:54 AM
    1. INCquisitor, name a church that teaches that he is not saved. - DeanO'Gowan on Aug 2, 2011, 4:42 AM
      1. No Christian church teach that the thief on the cross was NOT save. - INCquisitor on Aug 2, 2011, 4:39 PM
        1. The thief scolded his fellow that they are worthy of punishment while Jesus isn't -he said - johnmattenson on Aug 4, 2011, 3:06 AM
          1. Matthew and Mark saw this as REVILING Jesus (Matt. 27:44; Mark 15:32). - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:02 AM
            1. so what are u going to do with Luke's verse: will u believe it or not? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:18 AM
              1. The exchange between the thief and Jesus that Luke recorded, is the same... - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 3:59 AM
                1. if that thief was u & u want Jesus to remember u when Hes there,are u reviling Him?yes/no? - johnmattenson on Aug 12, 2011, 9:40 AM
                  1. The "kingdom" referred to by the thief when he said: "Lord.... - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 2:10 PM
                    1. Re: The "kingdom" referred to by the thief when he said: "Lord.... - Spa on Aug 12, 2011, 11:28 PM
                      1. this is believable scenario..possible at the last hour one of them repent in his heart!! - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 9:43 PM
                      2. Re: this is believable scenario..possible at the last hour one of them repent in his heart!! - Spa on Aug 14, 2011, 4:50 AM
                      3. So theres no contradiction between Matthew & Luke's accounts.Only time interval of events. - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 7:39 AM
                      4. Of course, there is NO contradiction between Luke's ACCOUNT of... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:21 AM
                      5. I believe what Matthew and Mark wrote in Matt. 27:44 and Mark 15:32. - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:16 AM
                      6. The thieves HEARD the Jews mock him, "King of the Jews" (Matt. 27:29; Mk 15:18; Lk 23:36) - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:13 AM
                      7. we're not realistic if u dont include the option thief changed his ways later just like us - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:32 AM
                2. YOU'RE A SEEKER OF PLAIN WORDS WRITTEN..NOW WHY DO U USE "TOMB" IN PLACE OF WHATS WRITTEN? - johnmattenson on Aug 12, 2011, 10:13 AM
                  1. Because I can't imagine "paradise" to mean heaven, Sheol or Eden since.... - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 2:12 PM
                    1. Where is the tree of Life according to Revelation 2:7? See Also 2 Corinthians 12:1-4!!!!! - Ed Chapman on Aug 12, 2011, 3:34 PM
                      1. Webster's Dictionary defines "paradise" as a "state or place... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:27 AM
                      2. I don't care what Websters defines Paradise as. - Ed Chapman on Aug 14, 2011, 10:36 AM
                      3. hahaha same here.. .whats important is what Jesus defines what paradise is. - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 11:15 AM
                    2. I referenced Ezekiel 20 in my last, I meant 27. - Ed Chapman on Aug 12, 2011, 3:36 PM
                    3. So why make your own version of truth if u cant imagine things...you lie... - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 1:09 PM
                      1. Reference to Jesus' statement recorded in Luke 23:43, I can't imagine.... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:30 AM
                      2. as for me, i dont conclude any..we're likely to commit error if we force to define - - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:46 AM
            2. WHATS THE VALUE OF JESUS TAKING HIM TO PARADISE IF ITS NOT FORGIVENESS? CAN U NAME ANY? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:26 AM
              1. Jesus did NOT say he will TAKE the thief to paradise. - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 4:01 AM
                1. are you blind? read Luke 23:43 - johnmattenson on Aug 12, 2011, 9:21 AM
                  1. Jesus did NOT "take" the thief to "paradise." - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 2:18 PM
                    1. Then EXPLAIN 2 Corinthians 12:1-4, as to how PARADISE is EQUATED to the 3rd HEAVEN? - Ed Chapman on Aug 12, 2011, 3:57 PM
                    2. If u can't imagine where paradise is, so why point a place if its Jesus alone knows where. - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 9:32 PM
                    3. Its not for us to define where is that.If our minds cant know it, just believe Jesus in it - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 9:36 PM
                  2. the verse says "today you will be"- future tense. Did it happen? Where's proof? - Kumag Ka on Dec 28, 2013, 5:10 PM
                    1. When translated correctly, the verse says "I tell you today, you will be - Tomas on Jan 3, 2014, 7:08 PM
                      1. You are misquoting what is written, Tom- read NRSV, DOuay, GNT, KJV, CEV - Kumag Ka on Jan 4, 2014, 12:41 AM
                      2. NRSV, Douay, GNT, KJV, CEV, were all versions translated by - Tomas on Jan 4, 2014, 2:03 AM
                      3. You are waltzing out of the dance floor, Tom. - Kumag Ka on Jan 9, 2014, 4:41 AM
                      4. You are ignoring my analysis. I tell you again, NRSV is wrong - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:10 PM
        2. Luke 23:40-43 - you can't misinterpret the thief argue to his fellow- how is that? - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 11:46 AM
        3. Jesus forgave the whore w/o the woman asking for it, how much more w/ the thief who asked? - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 11:51 AM
          1. Jesus EXPLICITLY told the woman, "Your sins are forgiven!" - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:03 AM
            1. tell me, is the manner Jesus will take the thief to paradise, not act of forgiving him? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:16 AM
              1. Jesus did NOT take the thief to paradise. - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 4:02 AM
                1. ahooh.u just stand w/o logical justification.how about answering my question above & below - johnmattenson on Aug 12, 2011, 9:18 AM
        4. take the example of what Jesus said in healing the paralytic..its also forgiving his sins. - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 11:57 AM
        5. that time of man dying on the cross, will Jesus denied forgiveness there ? your illogical - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 12:07 PM
          1. Jesus saied NOTHING to the thief about his sins being forgiven! - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:04 AM
            1. u dont exercise the words of God by heart..u exercise it by text..still an INC way-robotic - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:12 AM
            2. U SEE, BOTH JESUS & THE THIEF DONT USE THE "FORGIVE" WORD BUT THEY UNDERSTOOD EACH OT - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:29 AM
              1. DO YOU THINK THE THIEF WILL ASKED JESUS TO BRING HIM TO HELL? ITS UNDERSTANDABLE HERE - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:33 AM
        6. Many bible instances Jesus wants us to see what He logically means behind plain words - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 12:16 PM
          1. Name these instances! - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:05 AM
            1. ow common...do u believe theres none? yes or no... - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:08 AM
        7. "Father forgive them for they dont know what they do" how much more a thief asked for it - johnmattenson on Aug 9, 2011, 12:32 PM
          1. The thief did NOT ask for forgiveness! That's only what you THINK! - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:05 AM
            1. ow cmon. youre unrealistic.. its a reconciliatory act by the thief to the Lord - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:04 AM
            2. you still exercise the INC way of believing things..not by heart understanding but by text - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:07 AM
        8. So, Jesus died for the sins of everybody except for the men on the cross next to him? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 12, 2013, 7:49 AM
          1. My God does what He WILLS - not what anyone wants - Incquisitor on Dec 13, 2013, 6:15 PM
            1. That is true. So, you believe that your God will not save all those poor souls that lived - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2013, 6:25 AM
    2. Could you name some? - Jerrymie on Aug 2, 2011, 5:56 AM
    3. so JESUS pronounced the criminal, "Today you will be with me in heaven" - ASP on Aug 2, 2011, 12:55 PM
    4. You are OUTNUMBERED! All Churches believe he was saved! - Ed Chapman on Aug 2, 2011, 6:27 PM
      1. Jesus was outnumbered too, don't you recall? - INCquisitor on Aug 3, 2011, 4:20 AM
        1. And yet Jesus told this thief that he would be in Paradise. Is HELL called Paradise? - Ed Chapman on Aug 3, 2011, 9:14 PM
        2. u mean both are not saved? the fact that Jesus take one to paradise and the other are not? - johnmattenson on Aug 4, 2011, 4:49 AM
          1. Yes, BOTH thieves will not be saved, considering that..... - INCquisitor on Aug 5, 2011, 3:57 AM
            1. i believe what the thief said to remember him is reconciling & Jesus act means pardoning. - johnmattenson on Aug 5, 2011, 5:58 AM
              1. Pure SPECULATION! - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:06 AM
                1. hahaha if its speculation, surely our view is more inclined to forgiveness than your view - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:55 AM
                2. logical question: Do their conversation contrary to reconciliation & forgiving? yes or no - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 9:02 AM
                3. Webster: tomb-an excavation in which a corpse is buried : grave .NO WORD "PARADISE" HERE - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 9:23 AM
                  1. Look for the meaning of "paradise" instead of "tomb." - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 2:21 PM
                    1. if these 2 words are has not the same meaning, then why u pick it for a "tomb" - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 9:20 PM
                      1. Because the TOMB is the ONLY place where Jesus and thief were... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:34 AM
                      2. THE TOMB IS FOR PHYSICAL ASPECT AS IN BURYING ..NO HUMAN ABLE TO TAKE THE DEAD TO PARADISE - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:06 AM
                      3. IF PARADISE IS THE TOMB, WHY IS IT THE DEFINITION OF TOMB DIFFER FROM THE WORD "PARADISE"? - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:12 AM
                    2. its wiser/safer to conclude we dont know where the paradise is than to define where it is. - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 11:56 PM
                4. logic:in the end of days all whose in the tombs will rise..Jesus dont accompany them there - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 9:34 AM
                  1. youre trying to say Jesus words to the thief is worthless coz all souls will rise in tombs - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 9:44 AM
            2. why change the written word "paradise" for a "tomb"? where did u get that? its n - johnmattenson on Aug 5, 2011, 6:02 AM
              1. Webster's Dictinary defines "paradise" as a state or place of bliss. - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:08 AM
                1. If He's not to forgive the thief anyway, why will Jesus will take him to paradise? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:50 AM
                  1. Jesus did NOT "take" the thief to "paradise." - INCquisitor on Aug 12, 2011, 2:24 PM
                    1. YOUR REASON GETTING INSANE..ITS WRITTEN: JESUS SAY SOMETHING ABOUT TAKING HIM TO PARADISE! - johnmattenson on Aug 13, 2011, 8:58 AM
            3. IF ITS A TOMB, ALL WHO DIED GO THERE. WHATS THE USE OF JESUS TAKING SOMEONE GO W/ HIM? - johnmattenson on Aug 5, 2011, 11:49 AM
              1. Jesus did NOT say, "I'll TAKE you to paradise with me." - INCquisitor on Aug 11, 2011, 4:09 AM
                1. LukeAnd Jesus said to him: Amen I say to thee, this day thou shalt be with me in paradise. - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 8:43 AM
                2. IF YOURE TO SAY WHAT THE THIEF SAID, WHAT DO U THINK WILL BE IS IN YOUR HEART THAT MOMENT? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 10:04 AM
                  1. surely you will mean here "Lord please forgive me" if that was you.. am i correct here? - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 10:10 AM
                    1. i need you to answer this question.... - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 10:39 AM
                  2. Like what Matthew and Mark thought, the thief is MOCKING me by referring...... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 8:36 AM
                    1. for me, i dont believe the thief's intention is to mock in what he said at that last hours - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:19 AM
                      1. You are saying that Matthew and Mark LIED, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 10:04 AM
                      2. No. I mean to say, u are lacking possibilities to the event that the thief repent later... - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:16 AM
                    2. matthew & luke's account tells differently..possible this thief repent to himself lately - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:21 AM
                      1. Luke writes the ACTUAL conversation while.... - INCquisitor on Aug 14, 2011, 10:06 AM
                      2. haha these are both true to me, only that mine is more realistic in analization than yours - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:19 AM
                      3. U SEE, THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE THIEF REPENT LATER TRULY HAPPENS TO US. YOU CAN'T DISAGREE - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:23 AM
                      4. so Matthew written his mockery earlier, while Luke written the time the thief repent later - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:28 AM
                      5. how can u be sure that both matthew & luke accounts point to the same moment?we can't tell - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 10:37 AM
                    3. this possibility is very true to us right now..we do fall and feel sorry & repent later... - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:24 AM
                    4. i believe both matthew & luke accounts are both true, only the element of time it differs. - johnmattenson on Aug 14, 2011, 9:26 AM
                    5. Re: Like what Matthew and Mark thought, the thief is MOCKING me by referring...... - james on Jan 9, 2014, 2:30 AM
                3. SURELY JESUS KNOWS WHATS IN HIS HEART THATS WHY HE SAID THAT TO THE THIEF.... - johnmattenson on Aug 11, 2011, 10:06 AM
    5. This is the effect of "Bible alone authority" Mr. Chapman/Cessor. Chaos and anarchy. - DeanO'Gowan on Aug 3, 2011, 8:51 AM
      1. It is NOT a sin to misinterpret, UNLESS YOU ARE A CATHOLIC - Ed Chapman on Aug 3, 2011, 9:13 PM
      2. Nobody is saying that it is a sin. The issue is which is the true teachings of Jesus? - DeanO'Gowan on Aug 3, 2011, 11:58 PM
      3. Ah, so the majority opinion is always the correct one? It didn't work that way in... - INC Defender on May 23, 2012, 8:37 AM
    6. For me, i believe the one thief Jesus told of to be w/ Him in paradise is "saved" - johnmattenson on Aug 3, 2011, 10:30 AM
    7. False! - kabayan on Aug 19, 2011, 12:03 AM
      1. You are correct. The INC does not teach that the thief on the cross was saved. BUT... - INCquisitor on May 23, 2012, 3:32 AM
        1. You're obviously confused. On the one hand you claim that the INC doesn't teach that... - INC Defender on May 23, 2012, 11:17 AM
          1. So is it OK to say an eulogy for the thief on the cross? - Tomas on May 25, 2012, 11:37 AM
            1. That depends on how one defines 'eulogies'. - INC Defender on May 25, 2012, 5:37 PM
              1. OK, but you can pray for the dead, so in case he died unsaved, - Tomas on May 26, 2012, 9:37 PM
          2. I'm glad you admit that the INC teaches that the thief on the cross... - INCquisitor on May 25, 2012, 5:19 PM
            1. I said no such thing. READ my reply again and rethink your answer. - INC Defender on May 25, 2012, 5:43 PM
              1. INCdefender, your reply to my earlier post indicates that you.... - INCquisitor on May 26, 2012, 5:51 AM
                1. Read my comments very carefully, guy. - INC Defender on May 26, 2012, 6:19 AM
                  1. Sarcasm? - balweg on Dec 3, 2013, 11:41 AM
                    1. Jesus was telling the truth when he said to the thief: - Incquisitor on Dec 4, 2013, 4:38 AM
                    2. To be in the tomb for 3 days is bliss according to INCquisitor. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 4, 2013, 4:30 PM
                      1. Jesus referred to the tomb as "paradise." - Incquisitor on Dec 5, 2013, 6:50 PM
                      2. Jesus said, "I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise". - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 6:28 PM
                      3. Luke 23:43 NKJV puts the comma after "you," and before "today." - Incquisitor on Dec 7, 2013, 6:02 PM
                      4. They did not use commas in the first century yet. - Tomas on Dec 20, 2013, 6:28 PM
                      5. In this case, I have no reason to believe you more than - Incquisitor on Dec 21, 2013, 5:47 AM
                      6. The reason to believe me is to make the Bible verses harmonize - Tomas on Dec 27, 2013, 1:45 PM
                      7. Luke 22:43 has the comma BEFORE "today." - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2013, 6:55 PM
                      8. That is because the usual English translations were made - Tomas on Jan 3, 2014, 7:14 PM
                      9. major versions like NRSV, KJV, Douay, GNT, CEV all say the "comma" before today !! - Kumag Ka on Jan 4, 2014, 12:44 AM
                      10. Read my answer to you about NRSV, KJV etc. above. - Tomas on Jan 4, 2014, 2:05 AM
                      11. You are twisting what is written, Tom. ALl major versions write the comma before TODAY - Kumag Ka on Jan 9, 2014, 4:45 AM
                      12. All the major versions are twisting what the writer wrote in Greek. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:14 PM
                      13. You are wrong, Tomas, as you are so many times. Since you understand German, I will give - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2014, 12:45 PM
                      14. That panel of Bible scholars and Greek language scholars - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 1:38 AM
     
  6. Merry Christmas to all our friends, specially our Iglesia friends! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 25, 2013, 1:55 AM
    1. Happy Birthday to Horus, MIthra, Dionysus, Jesus et al- today is their natal day !! - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 2013, 2:26 AM
    2. St. Francis with baby Lord Jesus on Christmas day - tumpak on Dec 25, 2013, 4:07 AM
      1. Was the baby boy Jesus in the manger God? why? - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 2013, 5:32 AM
        1. Maybe yes. You can't prove he was not. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2013, 1:53 PM
          1. Tom, is your doctrine based mainly on speculations? - Kumag Ka on Dec 28, 2013, 6:15 PM
            1. My doctrine on this is based on the biblical fact that we can't know everything - Tomas on Jan 3, 2014, 6:56 PM
              1. Excluded is Tomas, of course. He knows what Jesus said although it has been nowhere - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2014, 1:10 PM
                1. Of course I don't know the exact words. I just have to assume, - Tomas on Feb 22, 2014, 1:05 AM
        2. The Mighty God - tumpak on Dec 30, 2013, 3:19 AM
          1. This is a long name of Jesus, not his titles. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2014, 6:59 PM
     
  7. INCquisitor says the Catholic Church was founded by the few overseers. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 19, 2014, 3:49 AM
    1. That may be too much to digest for INCquisitor. And you're only quoting a fraction of the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2014, 7:36 AM
    2. Arians like the INC and the Jehova Witnesses cannot grasp the Trinity doctrine. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 20, 2014, 1:18 AM
      1. Yep, and because they don't understand it they claim it doesn't exist. How many people - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2014, 12:12 PM
        1. I understand the theory of trinity. But it is just a possible - Tomas on Jan 31, 2014, 10:17 PM
    3. Re: INCquisitor says the Catholic Church was founded by the few overseers. - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2014, 6:06 PM
      1. INCquisitor...you'll never free yourself from your errors if you stick with the wrong - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2014, 7:43 PM
        1. John 17:3 is self-explanatory. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 4:05 AM
          1. And you, the false teachers of INC as well the false teachers of your new church don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2014, 6:29 AM
            1. You are truly the fulfillment of apostle Paul;s prophecy - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 2:45 PM
              1. Thank you for name calling, a true Christian conduct. I just gave you my answer in another - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 9:36 AM
                1. Do you TRULY believe Jesus or not? - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2014, 5:56 PM
                  1. I sure believe Jesus that the Father is the only true God. I truly believe Jesus and the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 23, 2014, 6:23 PM
                    1. You are the loser for believing that the apostles TESTIFIED - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2014, 5:42 AM
                      1. Good luck, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2014, 7:56 AM
                      2. Is that the best grammar you know? . - INCquisitor on Jan 29, 2014, 4:21 AM
                      3. It's not the best grammar, it's the only grammar you need to know. And you don't know it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 29, 2014, 1:35 PM
                      4. Who is your savior Guenter, the Pope? - INCquisitor on Jan 30, 2014, 4:15 AM
                      5. hat has that to do with your incorrect understanding of God's word, the Bible? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 2014, 7:24 AM
                      6. Then who is your savior Guenter? - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 2014, 6:03 PM
                      7. So, you agree, telling people the Pope is God on earth is an invention of people with ill - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2014, 7:14 AM
                      8. You're a hypocrite and a liar Guenter! - INCquisitor on Feb 4, 2014, 1:18 PM
                      9. Well, I'm not QUITE done with you. The Bible is the word of God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 2014, 3:19 PM
                      10. The reason I call you a LIAR is because you say Jesus is also your savior. - INCquisitor on Feb 5, 2014, 3:31 PM
                      11. Please, look seriously at what you are saying. If we would have to only put ONE verse - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 5, 2014, 5:42 PM
                      12. If what John wrote in John 20:28 were true, then Thomas .... - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 2014, 11:49 AM
                      13. You're resorting to speculations like our good friend Tomas (not Thomas) here. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 6, 2014, 2:18 PM
                      14. Even when Paul was alive, there were already - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 2014, 7:06 PM
                      15. It is nowhere written that Thomas was a false teacher. You are adding to the scriptures to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 7, 2014, 8:08 AM
                      16. Re: It is nowhere written that Thomas was a false teacher. You are adding to the scriptures to - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2014, 7:38 AM
                      17. The only thing that is not in harmony with the Bible are your tremendous errors. The Bible - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2014, 8:57 AM
     
  8. Just Saying Hello View Thread - WinSurfer, RCC on Feb 16, 2014, 4:26 PM
    1. I Forgot To Mention ... - WinSurfer, RCC on Feb 16, 2014, 5:46 PM
    2. Also ... - WinSurfer, RCC on Feb 16, 2014, 5:48 PM
    3. Thanks for asking. I never was an INC, I quit after about the 15th Bible Lesson because - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2014, 4:13 PM
    4. I forgot to mention....you must have been away for a long time, I haven't seen ETE and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2014, 4:16 PM
     
  9. Individual Interpretation of the Bible is Prohibited by Holy Scripture. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 3, 2013, 7:44 AM
    1. NO PROPHECY OF SCRIPTURE IS MADE BY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 3, 2013, 7:45 AM
      1. That is about how prophecies were made, not about - Tomas on Aug 9, 2013, 2:41 PM
        1. Was the 3rd Bishop of - tumpak on Aug 13, 2013, 2:20 PM
          1. Who was the 3rd bishop of Antioch? - Tomas on Aug 16, 2013, 5:15 PM
        2. Trust in the LORD with all your heart and - tumpak on Aug 15, 2013, 1:52 PM
          1. Of course I trust the LORD, and I pray for wisdom, to - Tomas on Aug 16, 2013, 5:21 PM
            1. then why you - tumpak on Aug 16, 2013, 10:39 PM
              1. You want to go back to the teachings of the early 'fathers'? - Tomas on Aug 23, 2013, 2:37 PM
              2. If you are really a humble man and a - tumpak on Sep 27, 2013, 9:51 PM
                1. At least that ancient church believed correctly that blood is not food, - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 7:40 PM
                2. "...Jesus Christ our God." - St. Ignatius of Antioch. - tumpak on Oct 31, 2013, 8:57 AM
                  1. He was not writing scripture. He was giving his Catholic - Tomas on Nov 1, 2013, 5:00 PM
                  2. Who shall we believe? - tumpak on Nov 2, 2013, 10:05 AM
                    1. I don't doubt Ignatius was brave, willing to die for his faith, but - Tomas on Nov 8, 2013, 6:16 PM
                    2. By your answers you don't trust God - tumpak on Nov 22, 2013, 9:29 PM
                      1. Even if John did send Ignatius, that does not mean - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 6:52 PM
                      2. Who sent you? - tumpak on Nov 30, 2013, 9:34 PM
                      3. Like all Christians, I am sent primarily by God. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 8:17 PM
                      4. I want to add that I now believe Jehovah's Witnesses are no longer - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 8:21 PM
                      5. Wow!!! Tomas was sent primarily by God!!! - tumpak on Jan 14, 2014, 6:20 AM
                      6. God sent me using his word, the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 8:07 PM
                      7. Using the Bible, God sends "ALL" Christians? - tumpak on Feb 9, 2014, 2:56 AM
                      8. Yes, all Christians are sent, commanded to spread the gospel. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2014, 4:06 AM
          2. Tomas, if Jesus intended the bible to teach, He would have written the bible. - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 17, 2013, 9:41 AM
            1. Jesus was not commissioned to write Bible books, but - Tomas on Aug 23, 2013, 2:53 PM
          3. Tomas, you are wrong. Jesus founded his church and authorized it to teach forever. - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 23, 2013, 7:19 PM
            1. Yes, but to teach from the Bible. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2013, 3:36 PM
            2. Tomas is wrong again. The bible wasn't mass produced until the invention of the Gutenberg - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 31, 2013, 3:33 AM
              1. It is true that most Christian preachers did not have - Tomas on Sep 6, 2013, 6:00 PM
                1. A house that is divided cannot stand. - Albert on Oct 14, 2013, 10:10 PM
                  1. The church is united on basic doctrines necessary for - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 7:46 PM
                  2. The Catholic Church does not recognize Protestant churches. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 31, 2013, 12:35 PM
                    1. Not only the Eastern Orthodox church, besides Catholic, has apostolic succession - Tomas on Nov 1, 2013, 5:04 PM
                  3. No Tomas, only the Orthodox Church has apostolic succession. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 2, 2013, 1:30 PM
                    1. The Bible does not say you need 3 bishops to ordain bishops. - Tomas on Nov 8, 2013, 6:33 PM
                    2. It is tradition Tomas. Just like the tradition that only a bishop may ordain a priest. - Dean O' Gowan on Nov 9, 2013, 6:21 AM
                      1. Holy tradition was temporary, until 1 Cor. 4:6, q - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 5:08 PM
                      2. Tomas is inventing new doctrine. "All traditions are temporary." Where is that in the - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 15, 2013, 6:00 PM
                      3. 1 Cor. 4:6 makes it clear holy tradition was temporary. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 8:30 PM
                      4. Tomas, what bible version did Jesus and the apostles use? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 23, 2013, 12:13 AM
                      5. Jesus used only the Old Testament, in Hebrew and small parts - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 7:01 PM
                      6. So do you think the apostles brought with them Daniel and Ezra and the whole NT - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 1, 2013, 5:28 AM
                      7. Yes, Daniel and Ezra, and as much of NT as was written - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 8:09 PM
      2. Would the Holy Spirit guide someone to CONTRADICT Jesus? - Incquisitor on Nov 24, 2013, 7:56 AM
    2. When Was The Catholic Church founded? - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 5, 2013, 12:08 PM
      1. 452 a.d. - Theo Book on Aug 7, 2013, 7:05 AM
        1. Where was the church Jesus founded?nt - Albert on Oct 14, 2013, 10:07 PM
          1. It became divided into separate denominations, - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 7:50 PM
      2. Reference please. Or is this your invention? - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 7, 2013, 2:19 PM
      3. counter message - juttnile chadwick on Aug 18, 2013, 10:50 AM
        1. I don't always agree with INC, but - Tomas on Aug 23, 2013, 3:02 PM
          1. Only the true church pastors can make the - Albert on Oct 14, 2013, 10:22 PM
            1. No church is infallible on secondary doctrines. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 7:54 PM
        2. Tomas, you even contradict the teachings of Jesus on baptism. - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 24, 2013, 1:31 AM
          1. Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the saving baptism. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2013, 3:49 PM
    3. That is what all mind controlling CULTS say and you are a liar - Jason on Aug 11, 2013, 11:19 PM
    4. Jason call the church Jesus founded Satanic. He insults Jesus. Which then is the true - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 12, 2013, 9:56 AM
      1. Jason will run away - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 13, 2013, 12:32 AM
        1. lets see - juttnile chadwick on Aug 23, 2013, 6:02 AM
      2. Felix Manalo founded the Iglesia ni Cristo on July 27, 1914. - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 23, 2013, 1:18 PM
        1. Jesus did not found the Catholic church. He founded - Tomas on Aug 23, 2013, 3:05 PM
          1. If Jesus had found a church.... - Albert on Oct 14, 2013, 10:18 PM
            1. No problem, I have found the true church. It consists - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 7:59 PM
      3. So Tomas, who do you suppose founded the Catholic Church? - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 23, 2013, 4:42 PM
        1. Some people probably close to the end of the first century. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2013, 3:53 PM
      4. What happened to the church Jesus founded? - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 31, 2013, 3:45 AM
        1. The church Jesus founded split up into various denominations, - Tomas on Sep 6, 2013, 6:09 PM
    5. Re: Individual Interpretation of the Bible is Prohibited by Holy Scripture. - Theo Book on Oct 1, 2013, 3:22 PM
      1. Then who among the so called pastors - Albert on Oct 14, 2013, 10:14 PM
        1. No pastor today is inspired to say anything infallibly. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2013, 8:02 PM
    6. No Tomas, the Protestants are not united with the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 19, 2013, 4:48 PM
      1. Their union with the RCC is not visible to people, but God - Tomas on Oct 25, 2013, 4:52 PM
      2. Sorry, Tomas, you are not authorized to speak for God. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 31, 2013, 12:36 PM
        1. Only Jesus speaks for God. But I search the scriptures, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2013, 5:13 PM
      3. No Tomas, the Protestants reject the authority of the Pope. - Dean O' Gowan on Nov 9, 2013, 6:23 AM
        1. The pope is united with Protestants only if he is saved. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 5:14 PM
      4. No Tomas, you commit serious heresy. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 23, 2013, 1:01 AM
        1. The pope does not inherit anything. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 7:07 PM
        2. Tomas, you are a heretic. - Dean O Gowan on Nov 30, 2013, 1:52 AM
          1. No, I am not. I do not reject the church, I love - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 8:28 PM
     
  10. Jesus is God. The bible says so. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 13, 2014, 1:02 AM
    1. It is not enough to say, "the Bible says so." - INCquisitor on Feb 13, 2014, 5:32 AM
    2. Who is Jesus according to John 1:18? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 14, 2014, 4:01 AM
      1. John 1:18 is John's descripton of Jesus. - INCquisitor on Feb 14, 2014, 2:26 PM
    3. INCq, still cannot give straight answer. Typical INC. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 14, 2014, 5:57 PM
     
 
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