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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Jesus founded the Catholic Church. There is no other. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 9, 2014, 1:43 AM
    1. Jesus said: "BEWARE of false prophets, - INCquisitor on Feb 9, 2014, 11:07 AM
    2. INCquisitor, you are calling the Church Jesus founded false prophet. You are contradicting - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 9, 2014, 12:39 PM
      1. Re: INCquisitor, you are calling the Church Jesus founded false prophet. You are contradicting - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2014, 6:23 AM
    3. Your position still contradicts the words of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 10, 2014, 8:47 AM
      1. Very common objection of the INC is that the Father is the only true God. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 10, 2014, 8:58 AM
      2. Who was Jesus talking to in Matthew 28:20? - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2014, 7:18 PM
      3. INCq, the other sheep are the gentiles! - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 11, 2014, 5:39 AM
        1. Jesus was referring not only to the Gentiles in his time - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 2014, 2:10 PM
      4. INCq, why should we believe your interpretation? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 11, 2014, 5:08 PM
        1. People said Jesus was only a carpenter's son, remember? - INCqusitor on Feb 12, 2014, 8:08 AM
      5. INCq, is building a straw man. You are wrong INCq. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 13, 2014, 1:01 AM
        1. I'm glad that's all you can say. - INCquisitor on Feb 13, 2014, 5:34 AM
     
  2. Core belief of the Iglesia ni Cristo that Felix Manalo was angel of the east. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 2014, 8:51 PM
    1. Did Felix Manalo ever seal any Jew? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 2014, 8:52 PM
    2. How did Felix Manalo give any message to the other angels? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 2014, 8:54 PM
    3. Why would God send an angel to give a message to other angels? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 2014, 8:56 PM
    4. Winds mean war? War is in Rev. 6, not Rev. 7. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 2014, 8:57 PM
     
  3. INCquisitor, may we ask what made you decide to leave the INC? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 2014, 9:05 AM
    1. The Catholic Church can be proven to be founded by Jesus in many ways. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 5, 2014, 4:01 PM
      1. The Catholic Church is preaching a different doctrine, how could it be founded by Jesus? - Kumag Ka on Jan 6, 2014, 4:16 AM
    2. INC ministers are no different from other preachers - they LIE! - INCquisitor on Jan 6, 2014, 5:05 PM
      1. How can the words of Christ prevail over the words of the apostles? - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:39 PM
        1. Who is your savior Tomas? - INCquisitor on Jan 11, 2014, 7:12 PM
          1. Christ of course. But the whole Bible is inspired by God, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 4:52 PM
            1. If Christ is truly your savior, then you must believe him - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 2014, 7:07 PM
              1. All scripture is by inspiration of God, therefore what the apostles - Tomas on Feb 1, 2014, 1:49 AM
                1. Your understanding truly STINKS! - INCquisitor on Feb 5, 2014, 5:21 PM
                  1. You have such poor understanding of these matters. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 7:59 PM
      2. All religions are claiming Christ as their Head. How can Christ be your head if you don't - emmanuel on Feb 7, 2014, 8:48 AM
        1. Most religions don't claim Christ as their head. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2014, 8:05 PM
    3. INCquisitor, what you mean is that your bible interpretation is superior - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 11, 2014, 6:50 AM
      1. My interpreation harmonizes with th words of Jeses. - INCquisitor on Jan 11, 2014, 7:15 PM
        1. How can your interpretations harmonize with the words of Jesus if you don't even - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 2014, 8:22 PM
          1. Ok wise guy, tell me how you understand a simple - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2014, 7:03 AM
            1. It's really simple, you just need an open mind and not a closed one trapped in false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2014, 8:15 AM
              1. Your mind is trapped in the false belief of the Trinity. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 5:58 PM
                1. The fact remains, you don't know grammar. Neither does INC nor your new church leaders. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 9:34 AM
                  1. Neither did Jesus say, "WE the only true God." - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2014, 5:50 PM
                    1. When Jesus rebuked Satan He told Satan "you should worship God ALONE." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 23, 2014, 6:32 PM
                      1. I suggest Guenter to publish his own version of the BIble, he wants to alter what is - Kumag Ka on Jan 24, 2014, 3:17 AM
                      2. Look who is talking! YOU added ALONE to Father in John 17:3. It is NOT written! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2014, 7:49 AM
    4. Are you sure? Tell me, do you still have two eyes and two feet? - Dean O Gowan on Jan 12, 2014, 12:30 PM
      1. Did I say I founded my own church? - INCquisitor on Jan 12, 2014, 3:28 PM
        1. I'm not Catholic, but I am telling you calling the Pope and Catholic priests "Father" is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 2014, 9:05 PM
          1. Catholics believe and teach that Popes and Priests are - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2014, 7:02 AM
            1. You're spreading lies by the dozens. Show me one authentic picture that shows the tiara - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2014, 7:36 AM
              1. Why do Catholic confess their sins to the Pope and priests? - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2014, 4:22 PM
                1. Jesus commands it. Ignore the commands of Jesus at your own peril. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 18, 2014, 4:46 AM
                  1. Confessions to the Pope or Priests is NOT Biblical! - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 7:19 AM
                    1. None of the verses you cited contradict or make James 5:16 obsolete. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2014, 12:18 PM
                      1. Catholics TWIST James 5:16 to their damnation! - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 2:35 PM
                      2. Yes INCquisitor, Catholics like me confess our sins to priests. - Dean O Gowan on Jan 21, 2014, 3:15 PM
                      3. Please answer these questions truthfully. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2014, 3:46 PM
                      4. Where does it say we must NOT confess, where does it say will "not" be effective? our s - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 9:46 AM
                    2. but God gave authority to Jesus, can't you confess your sins to God through him? - Kumag Ka on Jan 22, 2014, 1:32 AM
                      1. Jesus said he is not going to pray the Father for us. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2014, 8:53 AM
                      2. Who says, we want Jesus to pray for us? I guess you never heard: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 3:48 PM
                      3. Again, you MISUNDERSTAND what Jesus means! - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2014, 5:43 PM
                      4. What part of "the prayers will be effective" don't you understand? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 23, 2014, 5:54 PM
                2. Your accusations are based on lies of the devil, the enemy of Christianity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 18, 2014, 8:04 AM
     
  4. Congress cites 9/11 Bush cover-up, demands Obama act View Thread - katsung on Jan 23, 2014, 12:57 PM
    1. An intimidation to Saudi - Sung on Feb 2, 2014, 12:05 PM
     
  5. Moderator, you must return to INC to assure salvation. View Thread - emmanuel on Jan 22, 2014, 6:21 AM
    1. Whose "one shepherd" is Felix Y. Manalo! - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2014, 8:19 AM
    2. We agree that Felix Manalo is prophesied in - Dean O Gowan on Jan 22, 2014, 1:14 PM
      1. The priest are the ones with sheep clothing. - emmanuel on Jan 23, 2014, 2:48 PM
        1. Some priests yes, but I think most Catholic priests are saved. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2014, 5:56 PM
    3. emmanuel, the other sheep is just another example of the lack of grammar knowledge - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 3:30 PM
      1. Apostasy was prophesied and it must be done. - emmanuel on Jan 23, 2014, 2:50 PM
        1. Only in the sick mind of FYM but not in the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 23, 2014, 5:25 PM
    4. If total apostasy had happened, Jesus would have been a liar when He said: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 2014, 4:37 PM
      1. Not all are destined to be saved. - emmanuel on Jan 23, 2014, 3:04 PM
        1. This is true, especially the liars in INC will end up in the lake of fire. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 23, 2014, 5:27 PM
     
  6. Moderator, what made you become ex INC? View Thread - emmanuel on Jan 21, 2014, 12:12 AM
    1. Very good question, emmanuel! I hope, he will respond and you will take it to heart. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2014, 6:31 AM
      1. I hope he answer now. - emmanuel on Jan 21, 2014, 7:35 AM
        1. I hope so too. Although he says in his rules he will not comment on any post. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2014, 11:44 AM
    2. Hmmm Beatrice is not telling us she's an ex-INC. - Kumag Ka on Jan 22, 2014, 1:34 AM
      1. Is Moderator a he or a she? - emmanuel on Jan 22, 2014, 6:18 AM
        1. She was before, I suspect she's Judie aka Beatrice. - Kumag Ka on Jan 24, 2014, 3:18 AM
    3. Address your question to the owner of this forum, Imor. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 2014, 5:41 AM
      1. Will all of us see the Moderators response, if there is any? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2014, 7:52 AM
     
  7. church news:Iglesia ni Cristo Buys a Catholic Church and Brings It Back to Life View Thread - tf on Apr 21, 2012, 2:39 AM
    1. Good that the building was transferred from one good church to another. - Tomas on Apr 21, 2012, 9:34 PM
      1. dean will not like that response tom - tf on Apr 21, 2012, 10:35 PM
    2. Big deal, the church founded by Manalo bought one church out of hundreds of thousands - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 22, 2012, 2:06 PM
      1. catholic churches in america - tf on Apr 23, 2012, 2:53 AM
      2. Catholic Diocese of Cleveland puts churches on the market - tf on Apr 23, 2012, 3:31 AM
      3. Fine, why doesn't INC buy those churches instead of building a sports arena? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 23, 2012, 6:24 AM
        1. EGM medical center - tf on Apr 23, 2012, 9:55 AM
          1. Why were infrastructures and institutions named - Albert on Jan 19, 2014, 5:58 PM
        2. The PH Arena is not the largest dome in the world. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 20, 2014, 1:49 AM
    3. clownish issue..this goes to show what level of belief & assurance INC has- worldly gains - johnmatt on Apr 23, 2012, 7:40 AM
      1. temple for the glory of God - tf on Apr 23, 2012, 10:01 AM
      2. And the INC Sports Arena being built is also the temple of God, right? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 23, 2012, 3:49 PM
        1. who told you there will be bikini pageant like catholics do? - tf on Apr 24, 2012, 7:16 AM
      3. Wasn't Bianca Manalo an Iglesia member? She paraded in bikini too. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 24, 2012, 9:00 AM
        1. i don't know you check yourself bvefoire you make gossip - tf on Apr 25, 2012, 6:59 AM
     
  8. Serious errors by Kumag. He ignores verses pointing that Jesus is God. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 27, 2013, 9:12 AM
    1. Tha's a good one. I can't wait until Kumag and Tomas will fight to the teeth, that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 28, 2013, 5:28 PM
      1. I believe it's possible that Jesus is God. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 5:26 PM
        1. Thank you again for the evidence you're giving us: You have no faith. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2013, 7:48 PM
          1. I have firm faith in the holy doctrine that we can't know - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 6:35 PM
            1. As I said, you have no faith. Knowing or not knowing is no faith. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 2013, 10:41 PM
              1. Faith is belief plus trust. So I have strong trust that we can't - Tomas on Dec 20, 2013, 8:52 PM
                1. You're doomed and probably will not be saved. All those verses do not say that Jesus is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2014, 1:52 PM
      2. Tomas, that's why Jesus founded his Church and commission it to teach. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 2013, 9:40 AM
        1. But the church should teach today only from the Bible, - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 6:39 PM
        2. Tomas, you are the first to go beyond what was written. Jesus did not command - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 6, 2013, 6:58 PM
          1. So the early 'Fathers' including Augustine were mislead about tradition. - Tomas on Dec 6, 2013, 7:09 PM
        3. Tomas, you are obstinate fool. Nothing in the bible replaces the blank check commission - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 7, 2013, 12:15 AM
          1. You are obstinate. The commission is still valid, but - Tomas on Dec 20, 2013, 9:00 PM
    2. Kumag has conveniently disappeared. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 4, 2013, 4:31 PM
    3. DEan's defense totally shattered !! - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 2013, 3:42 AM
    4. DEAN's defense totally shattered- part 2 !! - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 2013, 5:30 AM
      1. Ha hahah the TROLL aka devil is everywhere; whenever is truth has upended - Kumag Ka on Dec 28, 2013, 6:20 PM
    5. Re: Serious errors by Kumag. He ignores verses pointing that Jesus is God. - Nom on Dec 27, 2013, 2:25 AM
      1. ha hahah the TROLL aka devil is everywhere; whenever, whereever the truth has upended - Kumag Ka on Dec 28, 2013, 6:22 PM
        1. Re: ha hahah the TROLL aka devil is everywhere; whenever, whereever the truth has upended - Nom on Jan 1, 2014, 12:10 AM
        2. Re: ha hahah the TROLL aka devil is everywhere; whenever, whereever the truth has upended - Nom on Jan 1, 2014, 2:25 AM
        3. poor ogre, nobody wants to talk to the ogre... lol. and he insist on inserting himself to - Kumag Ka on Jan 9, 2014, 4:49 AM
     
  9. Do you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior? Do you have real faith in Him? View Thread - Dean O' Gowan on Aug 1, 2013, 5:00 AM
    1. Yes, I do. And I love his church, which is united on the basic doctrines, - Tomas on Aug 2, 2013, 2:20 PM
      1. and where is this church right now, Tom? the genuine one, please. - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 5:40 PM
        1. It is found in good denominations like INC, RCC, Baptists, - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 9:38 PM
          1. In John 1O:9, Jesus says "I am the door"- not doors of many cults ! - KUmag Ka on Oct 22, 2013, 5:53 PM
            1. One door, to one church, found in many good denominations. - Tomas on Oct 25, 2013, 4:43 PM
              1. what share the same belief, Tom? To you and to the others- Jesus is God - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:09 PM
                1. I am not dogmatic on whether Jesus is God. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:45 PM
                  1. Serving Jesus does not mean worshiping him, TOm - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 6:03 PM
                    1. OK, so if we serve Jesus we serve God too. So likewise if we worship - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:35 PM
                      1. You're wrong again, Tom. - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:27 PM
                      2. In Mt. 4:10, when Jesus said "serve him only", he meant - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 6:33 PM
                      3. his disciples worshiped Jesus? why don't you ask the disciples who they worshipped? - Kumag Ka on Jan 3, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      4. Yes, his disciples worshipped Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:46 PM
    2. Jesus founded a church. Not a denomination. - Dean O' Gowan on Oct 22, 2013, 3:06 PM
      1. the RCC worships a different God from what Jesus preached. - KUmag Ka on Oct 22, 2013, 5:54 PM
        1. The same almighty God of the Bible, only with some speculative - Tomas on Oct 25, 2013, 4:49 PM
          1. if Jesus didn't preach how many persons is God, then why don't we just stick to what - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:05 PM
            1. With John 17:3 we have to be careful not to interpret it - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:34 PM
              1. Of course, Tom. John 17:3 is self-explanatory. - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 6:14 PM
                1. It might be self explanatory, but is easily misunderstood. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:41 PM
                  1. verses that "don't" say everything about God? - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:41 PM
                    1. I believe what is written. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 6:36 PM
      2. Jesus founded one church, not a denomination, but that one church is - Tomas on Oct 25, 2013, 4:46 PM
        1. can you name one or two of these true churches, Tom? - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:10 PM
          1. Yes, INC, RCC, United Pentecostal Church etc. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:39 PM
            1. They worship different Gods and you say this is not important? LOL - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 6:40 PM
              1. They worship the same God, even though the differ in details - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:50 PM
                1. If you have your way, would you suggest that God should rewrite the Bible - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:54 PM
                  1. No. God wrote the Bible difficult on purpose. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 6:39 PM
                    1. Jesus has mission here on earth- to introduce who the One True God is ! - Kumag Ka on Jan 4, 2014, 12:35 AM
                      1. Jesus did not tell us everything about God, not even - Tomas on Jan 4, 2014, 2:13 AM
                      2. You are totally confused, Tom. Seek wisdom from God- James 1:5 ! - Kumag Ka on Jan 6, 2014, 4:21 AM
                      3. I do seek wisdom from God. And so I have a lot of wisdom. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2014, 5:48 PM
          2. Why is the divinity of Jesus not important to you Tomas? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 15, 2013, 6:17 PM
            1. You are using an NIV mistranslation in that verse. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:58 PM
      3. Would Jesus build a church that CONTRADICTS his doctrine? - Incquisitor on Nov 24, 2013, 8:06 AM
      4. Thank you INCquisitor. I am glad you have proven the INC is a false church - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:09 PM
     
  10. Fundamental Beliefs View Thread - Groof on Jan 10, 2014, 2:52 PM
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