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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Rep. Peter King Compares North Korean Government to ‘Organized Crime Family’ View Thread - Dude O'Gowan on Mar 31, 2013, 10:17 PM
    1. The North Korean organized crime family does not allow freedom of religion. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2013, 4:05 PM
    2. Tomas is wrong again. The Iglesia ni Cristo of Felix Manalo does not support marriage of - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 6, 2013, 3:20 AM
      1. VITW, we are just following what is written in the bible! - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 8:57 AM
      2. Dean, they have the wrong concept of Church, but they are right - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 10:01 AM
      3. It is Catholics who forbids marriage even with co-members. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 2013, 10:49 AM
     
  2. Dean O'Gowan: Do you believe that God chose people to save? View Thread - Michael on Feb 4, 2013, 1:27 PM
    1. If He predestined them, He should have chosen them - Ricky Martan on Feb 4, 2013, 7:33 PM
      1. Hey Rick, do you believe the 5th Angel of Rev 7:1-3 is a Human Being - SWATTY on Feb 6, 2013, 8:48 AM
    2. God does not predestine people to be saved. He gave everyone free will and intellect. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 4, 2013, 10:46 PM
      1. Do you believe all of the Bible? - Jason on Feb 4, 2013, 11:58 PM
        1. You a Calvinist? - Ed Chapman on Feb 5, 2013, 1:42 AM
      2. The Bible says God does. - Michael on Feb 6, 2013, 11:10 PM
        1. Rom. 2:7 is one of the verses proving you can lose salvation. - Tomas on Feb 8, 2013, 10:30 AM
          1. Rom. 2:7 is not about losing one's salvation. - Michael on Feb 8, 2013, 2:15 PM
            1. You misunderstand John 6:37-39. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2013, 2:12 PM
              1. Re: You misunderstand John 6:37-39. - Michael on Feb 17, 2013, 12:41 AM
                1. Easy. God gave us free will. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2013, 3:52 PM
                  1. In view of the fact that verses John 6:44,65 follow 37-39, - Tomas on Feb 22, 2013, 3:59 PM
                    1. You confused me. - Michael on Feb 23, 2013, 1:07 PM
                      1. It is quite simple. When a person comes to God temporarily, - Tomas on Mar 1, 2013, 10:15 AM
                    2. TOMAS: No such thing as temporarily saved. - Michael on Feb 28, 2013, 9:43 PM
                      1. They too were true believers, but did not belong to us, - Tomas on Mar 1, 2013, 10:19 AM
                    3. SALVATION IS A PROCESS. It can be lost. - thesinner on Mar 1, 2013, 2:18 AM
                      1. Though Salvation is a process, it is sure, for it is God who chose and saves. - Michael on Mar 1, 2013, 4:34 AM
                      2. Thesinner, baptizing infants is futile. - Tomas on Mar 1, 2013, 10:28 AM
                    4. "But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved." - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 2013, 6:23 AM
          2. If you are saying so, then God did not choose who to be saved - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 2013, 5:37 AM
            1. Not necessarily rebellion, some are unsaved due to ignorance. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 8:44 AM
      3. up for Dean - Michael on Feb 12, 2013, 11:58 PM
      4. up for Dean - Michael on Feb 18, 2013, 12:21 PM
      5. Dean O' Gowan can you respond to my reply to your post? - Michael on Feb 26, 2013, 8:55 AM
      6. up for Dean - Michael on Feb 28, 2013, 7:21 PM
    3. Jason, you have Calvinist interpretation of the Bible. It differs with Berean and Catholic - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 5, 2013, 1:38 AM
     
  3. Emmanuel, this is the closest image of Jesus Christ. You worship him as man, which is View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 7:56 AM
    1. We worship Jesus because it was commanded by God. - emmanuel on Apr 1, 2013, 10:13 AM
    2. Where does God command man to worship man? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 1, 2013, 3:53 PM
      1. Yes - Jim on Apr 2, 2013, 6:24 PM
    3. Every knee should bow. Does that mean worshipping? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 2, 2013, 8:19 PM
      1. If bowing was referring to God and Jesus, yes. - emmanuel on Apr 3, 2013, 12:21 PM
    4. So Jim, does you knee bow to the name of Jesus? When and where? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 3, 2013, 2:15 PM
      1. VITW, did you finish high school? - Jim on Apr 3, 2013, 3:17 PM
      2. VITW is Vancouver Island Travel Watch? What's the relevance of a travel agency? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 3, 2013, 5:14 PM
        1. Honesty will lead me to where I am heading to. - Jim on Apr 5, 2013, 4:17 PM
    5. Jim, answer the question. Does you knee bow to the name of Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 3, 2013, 5:06 PM
      1. Bowing or kneeling is figurative to worship. - emmanuel on Apr 4, 2013, 7:21 AM
    6. So Jim, you never bow your knees before Jesus, do you? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 5, 2013, 7:13 PM
      1. Of course I do! - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 9:00 AM
     
  4. Emmanuel, do you or don't you agree with what Felix Manalo says? Yes or no? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 7:23 AM
    1. Yes I agree. INC is the prophesied other sheep of Christ. - emmanuel on Apr 1, 2013, 10:12 AM
    2. Emmanuel, did you graduate in high school? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 1, 2013, 3:54 PM
      1. What's wrong with my answer? - emmanuel on Apr 2, 2013, 9:39 PM
     
  5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hntHPiSFQnc View Thread - year2027 on Mar 31, 2013, 11:27 AM
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  7. Faith and Good Works. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 5:42 AM
    1. There must be a reckoning point. Before anything else;; - cyrus2013 on Mar 17, 2013, 1:31 PM
    2. The RCC is a man made religion - salvation is by faith alone - Jason on Mar 24, 2013, 7:25 PM
    3. Jason, Nowhere in the bible does it say we are saved by faith ALONE. - Dean 0'Gowan on Mar 26, 2013, 2:14 AM
      1. Jason, since we are saved by GRACE, what is grace? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 26, 2013, 6:22 PM
      2. You are mixing the issues. - cyrus2013 on Mar 27, 2013, 5:07 AM
    4. Cyrus, you have engaged in obfuscation. All grace comes from God. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 27, 2013, 5:28 PM
      1. What man can do is to have faith. Grace is not from man. Man is the recipient. - cyrus2013 on Mar 28, 2013, 2:03 AM
    5. Cyrus, God has always provided a father figure since Adam to the present. The present - Dean 0'Gowan on Mar 28, 2013, 4:51 AM
      1. Dean, the title of father to some you mentioned are true. - cyrus2013 on Mar 28, 2013, 6:25 AM
    6. Where does God reserve the title "Most Holy Father" for himself? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 28, 2013, 8:22 AM
      1. The Lord Jesus Christ called God the Father-"Holy Father". - cyrus2013 on Mar 29, 2013, 9:56 AM
    7. Cyrus, in the first place, no pope calls himself "Most Holy Father." That would be like - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 1:50 AM
      1. Now, it is clear, you, the people of RCC called the pope most holy father - cyrus2013 on Mar 30, 2013, 1:55 PM
    8. Cyrus, can you tell me which pope has been called "Most Holy Father"? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 5:37 PM
      1. We do not judge anyone. - cyrus2013 on Mar 30, 2013, 7:13 PM
     
  8. Emmanuel & Iglesia members. How will you explain yourselves to Jesus on Judgment Day? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 8:11 AM
    1. Catholics worship carved images. That's idolatry. Can't you see that? - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 8:32 AM
    2. Is that going to be your answer to Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 9:04 AM
      1. The difference of the statue of FYM and your carved images... - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 9:35 AM
    3. Emmanuel, you didn't answer the question. Is that your reply to Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 10:41 AM
      1. God ordered statues inside Solomon's Temple. Inside the Basilica. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 11:23 AM
        1. God COMMANDED you not to make graven images. - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 11:31 AM
        2. So why do you have statue of Felix Manalo? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 12:00 PM
      2. I joined INC because this is the Church that Christ built. - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 11:28 AM
      3. Do you have proof that the INC is the church that Christ built? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 12:12 PM
        1. Where in the Bible can we find Latria,Dulia and Hyperdulia.? - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 7:39 PM
        2. You have very shallow theology. Logic is not in the bible either. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 9:00 PM
      4. Did you mean Felix Manalo is your Christ or Messiah who founded the Iglesia ni Cristo? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 7:17 PM
        1. FYM never said he was Christ. - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 7:49 PM
      5. So you really don't have proof that Jesus founded the Iglesia ni Cristo of Manalo. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 3, 2013, 9:14 PM
        1. The PROOF of INC is their teachings. Father is the only God. Not worshiping idols. - emmanuel on Mar 3, 2013, 11:08 PM
        2. Emmanuel, your argument is irrelevant, immaterial and ridiculous. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 5, 2013, 4:42 AM
          1. INC is the other sheep prophesied by Christ. - emmanuel on Mar 5, 2013, 10:59 AM
            1. Jesus said "I have other sheep". So he had them already - Tomas on Mar 15, 2013, 6:25 PM
              1. Jesus said, 'there WILL BE' one flock. - emmanuel on Mar 15, 2013, 8:28 PM
                1. Yes, and those sheep soon joined Jesus' flock, in the 1st century. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2013, 8:48 AM
        3. Emmanuel, for the first time you are right. Jesus says there will be one flock. So why - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 2:47 AM
          1. 1.2 billion Catholics are worshiping lifeless god. - emmanuel on Mar 16, 2013, 5:14 AM
        4. Emmanuel, why do you worship the Manalos? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 5:57 AM
          1. We do not kneel and kiss the picture like what you are doing. - emmanuel on Mar 16, 2013, 7:55 AM
        5. Nevertheless you are still a Manalo worshipper, even if you do not kneel - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 12:53 PM
          1. The picture of Jesus you are boasting is not His face. - emmanuel on Mar 16, 2013, 1:04 PM
        6. How do you know it's the face of a model? Who is the model? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 4:17 PM
          1. The actor who reminded you Jesus is an actor not Jesus. - emmanuel on Mar 16, 2013, 9:26 PM
        7. So what is the face of Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 17, 2013, 4:03 AM
          1. How will you worship Jesus when you have no clue how he looks? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 17, 2013, 4:18 AM
            1. I wonder how the photographer took photos of Jesus while carrying the cross. - emmanuel on Mar 17, 2013, 10:20 AM
              1. Add this up as picture of Jesus! - Jim on Mar 17, 2013, 11:38 AM
        8. You guys know the face of your messiah Felix Manalo, but not of Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 17, 2013, 1:43 PM
          1. God must be worshiped in spirit. Not in pictures. - emmanuel on Mar 17, 2013, 9:58 PM
        9. God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth, so how do you worshipped Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 18, 2013, 12:49 AM
          1. We worship Jesus in spirit, the way we worship God. - emmanuel on Mar 18, 2013, 9:25 AM
        10. Very good Emmanuel, therefore you worship Jesus as God. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 2013, 5:16 AM
          1. Lord Jesus was being worshiped because God commands us. - emmanuel on Mar 19, 2013, 8:43 AM
        11. Emmanuel, you admit that there is no difference between worship a man Jesus and God. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 2013, 10:07 AM
          1. How can you differentiate the weight of worshiping? Can it be calculated? - emmanuel on Mar 19, 2013, 10:40 AM
          2. You still not answered my question. - emmanuel on Mar 19, 2013, 10:42 AM
        12. Very easy. Learn about latria, hyperdulia, dulia and simple honor. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 2013, 11:01 AM
          1. How do you differentiate different types of worshiping? - emmanuel on Mar 19, 2013, 11:49 AM
          2. Read the article. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 2013, 8:41 PM
            1. The article has no explanation to my question. - emmanuel on Mar 19, 2013, 9:37 PM
          3. Very simple. Latria is worship to God. Hyperdulia is high reverence for Mary, the mother - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 22, 2013, 5:14 PM
            1. Shall not means do not means prohibited. - emmanuel on Mar 22, 2013, 10:39 PM
            2. Romans 10:2 ESV - emmanuel on Mar 23, 2013, 9:16 AM
          4. This is the God we worship. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 28, 2013, 8:25 AM
            1. God is spirit. Your god is not true God because it has flesh and bones. - emmanuel on Mar 28, 2013, 10:38 AM
            2. Angels are spirits too. Your angel is fake angel because it has flesh and bones. - Dean 0'Gowan on Mar 28, 2013, 8:41 PM
              1. The word angel is metaphor not literal. It means messenger. - emmanuel on Mar 29, 2013, 8:03 AM
              2. So, the heads of states are messengers too? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 7:26 AM
            3. The true church is founded by Jesus. Your church is a fake church of Christ, founded by a - Dean 0'Gowan on Mar 28, 2013, 9:20 PM
              1. INC is not fake. It is your religion. You were deceived by Satan in worshiping stone. - emmanuel on Mar 29, 2013, 8:05 AM
              2. Don't you agree that you will celebrate the 99th year of the founding of the - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 7:28 AM
            4. The Son of God became man to enable men to become - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 2:36 AM
     
  9. To all Catholics here. If the Holy Spirit inspired the cardinals View Thread - Tomas on Mar 15, 2013, 6:42 PM
    1. Tomas, the early apostles casted a lot and they selected Matthias. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 2:40 AM
      1. Yes, the Matthias selection was guided by the holy Spirit. But - Tomas on Mar 29, 2013, 11:07 AM
     
  10. The pope has resigned. Now what? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 13, 2013, 1:20 PM
    1. Now what? It's betting time..... - Wayne on Feb 14, 2013, 5:05 AM
    2. Wayne, you already bet your soul on the church of Manalo. You lose. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 14, 2013, 3:07 PM
      1. Dean is daydreaming. May I know who's you're bet? - Wayne on Feb 15, 2013, 6:49 AM
    3. I predict the next pope will be another white man. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2013, 1:55 PM
    4. Speaking of betting odds on who the next pope will be.... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 15, 2013, 5:58 PM
    5. Filipino Cardinal Tagle is Asia's front runner. But not likely. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 17, 2013, 5:56 AM
      1. If Latino pope, then it will be a white Latino surely. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2013, 4:37 PM
    6. something sinister behind it. - Jim on Mar 2, 2013, 7:41 AM
    7. The Pope like the RCC is a false man made unbiblical creation - Jason on Mar 6, 2013, 1:11 PM
    8. Biblical proofs of the primacy of Peter over all other apostles. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 7, 2013, 6:37 AM
      1. Dean, are you a Jew? - Jason on Mar 7, 2013, 9:42 PM
    9. Jason ignores overwhelming and compelling biblical verses proving primacy of Peter over - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 8, 2013, 3:20 AM
      1. Even if Peter led the church, the next bishop of Rome did not. - Tomas on Mar 8, 2013, 10:51 AM
    10. The successor of Peter inherits the keys to the kingdom of heaven. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 8, 2013, 5:49 PM
      1. If the keys were inherited, then the Bible would have mentioned - Tomas on Mar 15, 2013, 6:13 PM
    11. Tomas, if your parents pass away, do you inherit the keys to their house? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 16, 2013, 7:47 AM
      1. I inherited their keys, but I was an heir. Linus was not an heir - Tomas on Mar 29, 2013, 10:38 AM
     
  11. Scripture alone disproves scripture alone. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 17, 2013, 3:01 AM
    1. Going beyond what is written does not mean to disregard tradition - cyrus2013 on Mar 17, 2013, 1:01 PM
    2. Dean, your web site has a bad translation of 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2013, 10:28 AM
     
 
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