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  1. List of Catholic popes. Is there a list of Orthodox Patriarchs? Who heads Orthodox Church View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2013, 9:32 PM
    1. The patriarch of Constantinople is the honorary leader - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:36 PM
    2. And the Oriental Orthodox Church does not have one leader, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:40 PM
     
  2. The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New St. Peter's Basilica View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 31, 2013, 6:44 AM
    1. Did you really read this? I'm only quoting one sentence that will blow your mind: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 10:12 AM
      1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:08 PM
    2. Guenter is cherry picking. Did you also read what the author said? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 12:22 PM
      1. I told you, I only read part of it, I may not have time for a while to read everything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 9:06 PM
      2. I finally read the scholarly work you wanted to confront me with. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2013, 11:36 AM
      3. Are you too shocked to refute YOUR author? Or is it just hurting you too much? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 6:36 AM
      4. Guenter is getting desperate. Be reminded that we never claim all popes were saints. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 11, 2013, 7:25 AM
        1. Hallelujah, you're finally admitting that Luther had good reasons to request reforms. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 7:55 AM
      5. Guenter is hallucinating. Behaving just like INC Jim? What author are you talking about? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 11, 2013, 9:23 AM
        1. You didn't even read the link you gave me to defend the the sale of indulgence? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 12:31 PM
    3. Here is another account from a strictly Catholic source that the greed of your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 1:07 PM
    4. Let's add to your dossier on Pope Leo X. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 10:41 AM
      1. So, God permitted other popes to make the Vatican a whore house? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 12:52 PM
      2. Ooooops, I almost overlooked another lie of yours. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 1:00 PM
    5. For somebody who loves enemies like Islam, you call yourself a Christian who calls the - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 3:15 PM
      1. I'm through with you, you're a liar. I never said anyone turned the church into a whore. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 5:29 PM
    6. Everyone can see your post above. "So, God permitted other popes to make the Vatican a - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 5:38 PM
      1. The Vatican is not the church, you idiot. The Vatican is the the residence of the Pope. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 8:30 PM
      2. They made one of my words ***********. Let's see if this works: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 8:34 PM
        1. It depends on whether the popes paid the women. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 11:45 AM
          1. Comon, Tomas, what did those women live of in the Vatican? Cleaning house, doing the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 8:55 PM
            1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:12 PM
              1. We are not infallible, but we are Christian. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:26 PM
                1. You're missing the point again, Tomas. The RCC was so rotten - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 2013, 7:39 PM
                  1. But I don't disagree with you that reform was needed. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:23 PM
            2. Yes, Guenter, the women could have been paid to clean the palace, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
              1. You missed the point, as usual. The Vatican was used to fulfill some popes sexual - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:28 PM
                1. I don't support having concubines, but concubines are - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:33 PM
            3. Guenter accuses Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis of fornicating with the - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 10:10 AM
              1. Dean, you're a sad example of a human being. I never said that. It were popes that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 24, 2013, 4:43 PM
            4. So which of the 260 popes were using the Vatican as a whorehouse? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:41 PM
              1. You're not even reading your own sources. You gave me the following link: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2013, 6:05 AM
              2. None of the links state that a pope or popes used the Vatican as a whorehouse. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 26, 2013, 7:23 AM
                1. Are you only pretending to be dumb or are you dumb? Having concubines, fu**** them in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 27, 2013, 8:10 PM
     
  3. Drake0007, why don't you prove to us that Felix Manalo was the true preacher of God. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2013, 9:33 AM
    1. just proceed to iglesianicristowebsite,comparativebiblestudy...please... - drake0007 on Jun 15, 2013, 11:52 PM
      1. I went to all INC websites. They are full of the same lies my minister Bro. Felix told me. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 3:31 AM
    2. genter,wheres the money of your members? - drake0007 on Jun 15, 2013, 11:53 PM
      1. kjc cult wheres the money of your members? - drake0007 on Jun 15, 2013, 11:54 PM
      2. In schools, in hospitals, in charities, in third world countries to help the poor etc. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 3:25 AM
    3. i don't see any church?where do you worship in plaza? - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 12:06 AM
      1. o gowan proceed to iglesia ni cristo website or pristinetruth or areal torch of salvation - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 12:10 AM
    4. you attack inc with all heresays...what about your gay priests?involved in gay ring? - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 12:23 AM
      1. priest suckingcock of minors,while leading a mass?is that sodom and gomorrah? - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 12:27 AM
      2. Jewish Sam Miller on Catholics - ray on Jun 27, 2013, 9:36 PM
        1. Where did you get this crazy statistic that 10% of Protestant ministers - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:09 PM
    5. Drake, your religion is not even 100 years old and already it started with scandals of the - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 16, 2013, 1:51 AM
      1. where's urchurch?wheres the money?i havent seen it well spent?corrupted maybe:) - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 3:23 AM
      2. Don't knight INC by calling it a religion. It's not even a church, not to mention religion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 2:05 PM
        1. This cult is not a separate religion, but a part of the Christian religion. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:53 AM
    6. So how can Felix Manalo a rapist be true preacher of God? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 16, 2013, 2:08 AM
      1. ahh old issue, rosita story?lol:) we know the story more than u are:) - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 3:20 AM
      2. ahh old issue, rosita story?lol:) we know the story more than u are:) - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 3:20 AM
        1. You don't know the story, you're living in denial. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 3:28 AM
      3. bcoz of hitec techno mangled tapesand videos arecommon:)lol:) - drake0007 on Jun 16, 2013, 3:27 AM
    7. Drake, contribute something substantial. Answer why your - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 16, 2013, 3:31 AM
    8. Drake, here's your chance to convert a lot of people to INC. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 16, 2013, 5:42 PM
     
  4. Pope Francis and the Orthodox Church View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2013, 2:05 PM
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  6. I suggest a minute of silence and prayers every day that God may free all INC members View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 1:02 PM
    1. They have fewer errors than most churches. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 11:41 AM
      1. It's like with Jesus. Who never heard of Jesus, do you think he will not be saved? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 9:06 PM
        1. If someone dies without hearing about Jesus, then he can - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 1:02 PM
    2. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:09 PM
     
  7. "All churches should be destroyed..." says Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 17, 2013, 7:05 PM
    1. The video no Catholic dares to see. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 17, 2013, 8:34 PM
    2. If Muhammad did say that about the Arabian peninsula, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:22 AM
     
  8. Just a reminder for all my friends in INC: INC, the fake church founded by a fake angel. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 8, 2013, 7:17 PM
    1. I bet Jim and Emmanuel will run away. Again. They are only good in personal attacks. - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 12:00 AM
      1. I know, Dean. Jim is famous for riding peronal attacks in a very foul language. He is not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:17 AM
      2. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:15 PM
      3. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:16 PM
    2. Guenter, here is a challenge for you! - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:17 AM
      1. Dear Jim, as usual, you have no answer to facts. Only perverts are building their own - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:12 AM
        1. Is the God's church you are saying a name of a religion? - emmanuel on May 9, 2013, 10:26 AM
          1. Hi Emmanuel, nice meeting you. The best thing for you to do would be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 3:05 PM
            1. Don't waste your time on Jim. He admitted he worships his wife, contrary to the command of - Ed_Watson on May 9, 2013, 5:49 PM
              1. I read the thread about that. He means a different kind of worship when he talks about his - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 7:32 PM
                1. Good thing you understood him what he meant exactly. - emmanuel on May 10, 2013, 12:07 PM
                  1. For us Christians it's the church that Jesus founded in the first century. For Muslims - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 10, 2013, 12:27 PM
                    1. Can any religion be God's church? - emmanuel on May 10, 2013, 11:02 PM
                      1. The true Christian religion is God's church. - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:06 PM
                      2. Do you have the same belief of Tomas, Guenter? - emmanuel on May 10, 2013, 11:55 PM
                      3. Unfortunately, Emmanuel, I have to disagree with Tomas. INC outcasted itself from God's - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 7:06 AM
                      4. I'm so curious to know from your belief, which religion is of God. - emmanuel on May 11, 2013, 12:27 PM
                      5. Easy: Christianity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 12:46 PM
                      6. Easy but wrong answer. - emmanuel on May 11, 2013, 11:10 PM
                      7. So, you're saying Christianity is not God's church. What is it, Muslim? Hinduism, Judaism? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 2013, 7:22 AM
                      8. Did I not give you an example? If Christianity is God's religion.. - emmanuel on May 12, 2013, 10:16 AM
                      9. INC is a sect, not a religion. How can INC be God's church if their founder is a fake - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 2013, 5:20 PM
                      10. How can INC be a Christian religion if they are spewing hatred to the true Christian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 2013, 5:41 PM
                      11. Jesus said, only those who entered the narrow gate will be saved. - emmanuel on May 12, 2013, 10:37 PM
                      12. You did not answer my questions. Please do so. Maybe you should read my questions again. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 13, 2013, 7:07 AM
                      13. Lamsa is correct. The Lord that has blood is Jesus not God. - emmanuel on May 13, 2013, 9:26 AM
                      14. You didn't aswer my questions. You lost. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 13, 2013, 9:55 AM
                      15. By the way, there is only ONE Lord, or do you want to call Jesus a liar? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 9:06 PM
                      16. Here is the original Greek text of Acts 20:28: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 7:28 AM
                      17. We don't know the exact Greek words there. - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 9:37 PM
                      18. Here you go again, adding to the scriptures is OK for INC but not for everyone else. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 6:18 PM
                      19. Not adding, if the original said tou Christou. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:36 PM
                      20. Maybe doesn't count, Tomas. You're adding to all known scriptures. You have to live with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 12:51 PM
                      21. The Peshitta was a known scripture translation. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:11 PM
                      22. Jesus said, only ONE Lord, Jesus Christ. ONE Lord, Tomas. Since God can't be the second - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 8:35 PM
                      23. So in one sense Jesus Christ is the only Lord. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:11 AM
                2. The intent of Jim is the water down the command of Jesus to worship only God. - Ed_Watson on May 12, 2013, 9:22 AM
                  1. Ed, I understand your concern. Many words in any language do not have just one meaning. I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 2013, 5:30 PM
    3. Well said - kulafu on May 12, 2013, 10:09 PM
      1. There is even cofusion and no clear answer from INC at what point in time FYM started to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 13, 2013, 7:31 AM
    4. AFTER MORE THAN ONE WEEK, NO REBUTTAL FROMJ ANY INC MEMBER. THAT FIGURES. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 17, 2013, 2:11 PM
      1. The INC perhaps won't make a rebutal because - kulafu on May 17, 2013, 9:09 PM
        1. Re: The INC perhaps won't make a rebutal because - Romy Espanol II on May 17, 2013, 9:32 PM
        2. I know of at least four people who were raised as kids in INC but left INC after they - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 18, 2013, 1:55 PM
    5. AFTER TWO WEEKS, NO REBUTTAL FROM ANY INC MEMBER. THAT FIGURES. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 9:00 PM
      1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:12 PM
    6. AFTER ONE MONTH NO REBUTTAL FROM ANY INC MEMBER. THEY MUST ALL SIT SOMEWHERE WITH THEIR - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 9:13 PM
    7. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:13 PM
      1. You have no proof. But I do! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 9:16 PM
    8. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:13 PM
    9. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:14 PM
      1. Like the false angel FYM? Please read the following entirely! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 3:45 AM
    10. AFTER MORE THAN ONE MONTH, INC MEMBERS ARE STILL LOOKING FOR AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 9:12 PM
     
  9. We are Catholic! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 17, 2013, 2:05 AM
    1. Good for you, there is nothing wrong being a Catholic. What's wrong is being a divisive - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 9:12 AM
    2. Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 17, 2013, 11:06 AM
      1. I guess, you didn't have the time to read. You're worse than most INC members: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 12:38 PM
    3. Jesus was divisive too. I guess to you He's worst than most INC members too. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 17, 2013, 5:30 PM
      1. The Vatican disagrees with you, Satan - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 6:12 PM
    4. Guenter who calls the Vatican whorehouse thinks the Vatican agrees with him - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 18, 2013, 3:34 AM
      1. This is the truth, Satan: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 19, 2013, 11:39 AM
     
  10. Jesus never commanded to teach only things in the bible. Only the Protestants invented View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 2013, 7:57 PM
    1. When Jesus was still on the earth, it was not yet time to teach only - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 6:18 PM
    2. Tomas, where did Jesus say that the commission of his church expires when - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 10:57 AM
      1. Jesus did not say it, God inspired Paul to write it. - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 9:06 PM
      2. Tomas, Jesus did not say it, neither did Paul. The Church has authority to teach. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 1, 2013, 6:41 AM
        1. So 2 Thess. was written earlier than 1 Corinthians. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:42 PM
    3. You have found your (and the RCC's) root problem - Jason on May 27, 2013, 4:18 PM
      1. Good analysis, except for Rev. 22:19. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:56 PM
    4. Jason shows up and in the next day he will run away. Again. - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 7:44 PM
    5. Jason, "Do not go beyond what is written". The bible does not teach to believe only what - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 2, 2013, 1:23 AM
      1. So you don't even try to explain 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:48 PM
    6. Tomas, you yourself are going beyond what is written. Paul has no authority over the words - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 1:20 AM
      1. God has authority over the words of Jesus. And it was God - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 4:09 PM
     
  11. The Catholic Church is the only true church. There is none other that can save. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2013, 5:12 AM
    1. ROFL - Jesus says it is only He who saves - you are a liar - Jason on Jun 4, 2013, 4:47 PM
      1. Ah well here are a few more - Jason on Jun 4, 2013, 4:51 PM
    2. Jason, why do you suppose Jesus founded his church? As decoration? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2013, 5:53 PM
      1. Jesus founded his church to make humans carry out his work. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 5, 2013, 3:09 AM
      2. Jesus commanded also to "Confess thy sins one to another." - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 5, 2013, 7:52 PM
      3. Jesus also commanded to eat his flesh and drink his blood. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 6:04 PM
      4. Again, I will let God through His word answer for me - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 11:56 AM
        1. Equally to the INC - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 12:03 PM
        2. Oh man, I can't believe I forgot this one - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 12:08 PM
          1. Catholics and INC members follow these verses. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 4:13 PM
      5. Jason, are you saying it's not necessary to be baptized, to confess sins and to receive - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 7, 2013, 12:24 PM
        1. Jason, are you saying it is not necessary to be baptized, to confess sins and to receive - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 8:19 PM
          1. Lutherans generally believe just like Luther did, that - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:46 PM
     
 
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