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  1. ALL concerned: Jesus is the Messiah, the Lord [God] View Thread - Michael on Feb 4, 9:12 AM
    1. This truth will set you free [ and million others] : Jesus is The LORD [God]. - Michael on Feb 4, 10:24 PM
     
  2. Ed, if Jesus is God, why did He say the Father is the only true God? View Thread - emmanuel on Feb 4, 7:35 PM
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  4. Emmanuel, you never answered this question. How do you worship Jesus? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 27, 12:25 AM
    1. And how do you? By kissing the carved image? - emmanuel on Jan 27, 4:50 AM
    2. More evasion by Emmanuel. How do you worship Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 27, 4:28 PM
      1. We pray in truth and in spirit. - emmanuel on Jan 27, 10:48 PM
        1. Praying is worshiping. - emmanuel on Jan 27, 10:48 PM
          1. Some say they stand up; some say they kneel - Ricky Martan on Feb 3, 9:23 PM
            1. You misspelled your name ricky martin. lol. - emmanuel on Feb 3, 10:23 PM
     
  5. Tell us Emmanuel, who or what are the idols worshipped by the Jews? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 9:30 AM
    1. Catholic church is not abstaining from blood. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 9:49 AM
    2. Emmanuel, as usual evades the question. What are the idols worshipped by the Jews? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 11:58 AM
      1. That was not normal Judaism, but heresy. - Tomas on Jan 25, 12:47 PM
      2. What is your point in asking this question? - emmanuel on Jan 25, 8:20 PM
    3. Tomas evades the question too. What were the idols the Jews were worshipping? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 12:59 PM
      1. Only evil Hellenistic Jews were offering meat to pagan idols. - Tomas on Jan 25, 1:07 PM
    4. So if you were in Israel then, what would you tell the Jews who were also worshipping - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 26, 6:28 AM
      1. I would tell them to stop it, accept the Bible, accept the Christ, - Tomas on Feb 1, 3:44 PM
     
  6. Emmanuel, is Jesus adopted or begotten Son of God? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 26, 6:44 AM
    1. God is Father and Creator. - emmanuel on Jan 26, 7:24 AM
      1. Emmanuel, generally, there are 3 types of sons - cyrus2013 on Jan 26, 5:40 PM
        1. Is Jesus God while He was here on earth? - emmanuel on Jan 26, 8:41 PM
    2. So you don't believe Jesus is the begotten Son of God, but only adopted, right? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 26, 2:35 PM
      1. God can be God without anyone on His side. - emmanuel on Jan 26, 8:54 PM
      2. Emmanuel, Jesus is at his Father's side. No man can be at the Father's side. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 27, 12:16 AM
        1. God is the father. NOt Son or Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Jan 27, 3:22 AM
      3. Emmanuel, you obviously are incapable of logical reasoning, can you get another Iglesia to - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 27, 8:18 PM
        1. If you can't pass to me, what more if greater than me speaks to you? - emmanuel on Jan 27, 10:47 PM
      4. Emmanuel, I passed you many times over. You cannot answer so many questions. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 28, 3:43 AM
        1. I answered you, You just don't want to accept. - emmanuel on Jan 28, 3:59 AM
     
  7. Off Topic. Please sign this Petition to investigate Obama's forged ID's, birth certificat View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 22, 4:56 PM
    1. American are happy with him, why give them trouble. - emmanuel on Jan 22, 9:06 PM
    2. Obama cheated the election. He's a deceiver like Felix Manalo. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 8:03 AM
      1. Only God can give authority to anyone. - emmanuel on Jan 24, 10:37 AM
    3. Emmanuel, God permits evils like Hitler, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, et al. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 3:33 PM
      1. If God permitted why then you oppose? - emmanuel on Jan 24, 8:26 PM
        1. The church composed of saved members of both INC and RCC, as - Tomas on Jan 25, 1:17 PM
      2. If a criminal will come to break into your house, to rob you and rape your sister or mom, - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 1:48 PM
     
  8. Answering the Arians (Jehovah's Witnesses, Iglesia ni Cristo and Islam). View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 2:33 AM
    1. Jesus' Own Words That He is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 2:36 AM
      1. Jesus Himself said He was God in John 8:58. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 2:37 AM
        1. Christ did not say He is God. Just an assumption of yours. - emmanuel on Jan 21, 4:01 AM
        2. Emmanuel, I am convinced you don't have the intelligence to understand logical reasoning. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 7:37 AM
      2. Positive affirmation of Thomas. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 7:23 AM
      3. Jesus would send His angels. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 7:26 AM
      4. Jesus said he would judge the world. God will judge the world. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 7:28 AM
      5. The son has power of attorney over his father. Jesus owns all that belongs to his Father. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 7:33 AM
        1. You analyze these. - emmanuel on Jan 21, 8:14 AM
        2. Emmanuel avoids the question. Jesus owns all that belongs to his Father. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 8:23 AM
      6. Jesus commands "Worship only God." Jesus accepted worship. Who is Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 8:49 AM
        1. Christ must be worshiped but still He is not God. - emmanuel on Jan 21, 8:03 PM
        2. As usual Emmanuel evades the question. Who is Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 8:15 AM
          1. Jesus never sinned. - emmanuel on Jan 24, 9:51 PM
          2. Jesus did not sin in accepting worship because he is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 5:29 AM
            1. He had not blasphemed. God gave Him glory to be worshiped. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 7:06 AM
            2. OK Emmanuel when and where did God give him glory to be worshipped? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 7:34 AM
              1. Philippians 2:9-11 The Message - said worship Jesus. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 7:43 AM
              2. Emmanuel Ph 2:9-11 is after the resurrection. Jesus was already worshipped when he was a - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 8:23 AM
                1. Christ must be worshiped but He is not God. There is no Godhead or Trinity in the bible. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 8:37 AM
                2. Emmanuel, do you worship Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 9:37 AM
                  1. Following a commandment of God is not idolatry. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 9:43 AM
                3. 1. The Commandment of God is to worship only God. 2. How do you worship Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 12:01 PM
          3. Emmanuel, I will send you $100, will you worship me? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 5:31 AM
    2. Jesus of Islam (& partly Iglesia) vs Jesus of Christianity. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 8:27 PM
      1. You ask yourself this question, is Emmanuel correct when he said God is Father and not Son - emmanuel on Jan 21, 10:09 PM
      2. Emmanuel, Jesus tells the truth, God is his Father. And God says Jesus is his only - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 8:30 AM
    3. The Athanasian Creed. God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 21, 11:34 PM
      1. Trinity is not biblical. The Father is greater than the Son. They are not co-equal. - emmanuel on Jan 21, 11:41 PM
      2. Your teaching is not Christian. It's Arian. It's erroneous interpretation of the bible. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 8:45 AM
        1. do not add the unwritten - emmanuel on Jan 24, 10:33 AM
        2. Dean, Arian teaching is Christian too. - Tomas on Jan 25, 12:45 PM
      3. Emmanuel, the bible supports the UNWRITTEN (so called traditions.) Here are proofs. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 24, 4:01 PM
        1. do not exceed to what is written. - emmanuel on Jan 24, 8:37 PM
        2. Emmanuel, the Iglesias made commands that are not written in the bible. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 8:05 AM
          1. INC do add anything to bible. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 8:30 AM
          2. You are totally wrong. Priests also confess their sins to other priests. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 9:22 AM
            1. INC is the true Church of Christ. It upholds the teachings of Christ. - emmanuel on Jan 25, 9:46 AM
              1. INC is only a small part of the true church of Christ. - Tomas on Jan 25, 12:41 PM
            2. Emmanuel, your own sugo Felix Manalo admits the true church is founded by Jesus, not FYM. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 25, 12:08 PM
    4. The One True Church is the Church that Jesus founded. No other church that save. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 23, 5:20 PM
     
  9. Sexual immorality of Roman Catholic popes View Thread - PADRE DAMASO on Jan 13, 7:35 AM
    1. So some popes were clearly unsaved. - Tomas on Jan 20, 5:35 AM
     
  10. Jason, if faith is enough, then why are you promoting the Trinity doctrine? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 10:53 PM
    1. Jason, do you agree with the NIcene Creed? You don't find it in the bible. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 1, 3:57 AM
    2. Jesus teaches "He that believeth and IS BAPTIZED shall be saved." Jason says false! - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 2, 3:28 PM
      1. The baptism there is the Holy Spirit baptism. - Tomas on Dec 7, 10:58 PM
      2. Thomas, you are confused. First there is baptism, then confirmation of the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 8, 1:59 AM
        1. You should not deny the Holy Spirit baptism. - Tomas on Dec 30, 9:42 AM
    3. Dean, sounds to me like your conscience is killing you - Jason on Dec 31, 3:04 PM
      1. God did not make a mistake in those verses, he just - Tomas on Jan 13, 6:13 AM
        1. HAHAHA no, PERIOD MEANS PERIOD - Jason on Jan 18, 5:45 PM
          1. If you believe Rom. 10:9 is complete about salvation, - Tomas on Jan 20, 4:27 AM
     
  11. All questions answers View Thread - emmanuel on Dec 28, 8:24 AM
    1. Emmanuel, welcome. Do you believe the words of Jesus or you don't? - Deab O'Gowan on Dec 29, 1:15 AM
      1. rock, stone - emmanuel on Dec 29, 7:09 AM
      2. Emmanuel, you didn't answer the question. You believe or don't believe the words of Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 29, 8:42 AM
      3. Hades - Wayne on Dec 29, 1:06 PM
      4. Welcome back Wayne. Can you answer the question? Do you or don't you believe the words of - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 29, 4:53 PM
        1. I believe in Jesus' words but not necessarily your interpretation. - emmanuel on Dec 29, 7:00 PM
      5. So you believe that gates of hell prevailed against his church. You believe Jesus lied. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 29, 11:32 PM
        1. shall not - Anonymous on Dec 29, 11:55 PM
          1. Emmanuel, Jesus said 'shall not' in the first century. - Tomas on Dec 30, 8:06 AM
            1. first century - emmanuel on Dec 30, 8:19 AM
              1. John 10:16 does not mean the church will be interrupted. - Tomas on Dec 30, 8:56 AM
                1. Re: John 10:16 does not mean the church will be interrupted. - SWPF Stat Boy on Jan 1, 8:13 AM
                  1. Matthews 24:22 - emmanuel on Jan 2, 1:25 AM
                    1. So Mt. 24:22 means that ultimately there would be no Christians left, - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:25 AM
        2. Emmanuel, the other sheep were the gentiles. Jesus was not thinking of the aetas and - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 30, 5:50 PM
      6. So you agree the gates of hell did not prevail against his church. So why didn't you say - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 30, 1:00 AM
        1. Is the church you are saying have graven images? - emmanuel on Dec 30, 2:04 AM
        2. Emmanuel, you mean graven images like the statue of Felix Manalo?i - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 30, 8:47 AM
          1. The statue of FYM was not inside the house of worship. - emmanuel on Dec 30, 9:00 PM
          2. Ah, so graven images outside the house of worship are OK? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 2:23 AM
            1. kneeling to woship is sin. - emmanuel on Dec 31, 4:02 AM
              1. Kneeling to worship in front of images is a sin, but - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:31 AM
          3. Emmanuel, God commanded images inside the house of worship. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 2:33 AM
          4. GRAVEN IMAGES OF EDUARDO MANALO/ERANO/FELIX do Hang inside all Minister Offices in Chapels - SWPF Stat Boy on Dec 31, 3:40 AM
            1. Is an office a place of worship? - emmanuel on Dec 31, 4:04 AM
              1. Oh Louie, a minister's office is inside a chapel building. Christians deem a chapel buildi - SWPF Stat Boy on Dec 31, 8:30 AM
          5. Emmanuel, here is St. Peter's Basilica when we can put inside your INC temple. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 5:44 AM
            1. Bowing to graven images is questionable. - emmanuel on Dec 31, 7:00 AM
            2. Emmanuel, are you commanded by your church to worship Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 7:53 AM
              1. Isaiah 42:8 - emmanuel on Dec 31, 9:10 AM
              2. God must be worshiped in spirit without representation of images. - emmanuel on Dec 31, 9:23 AM
                1. Emmanuel, you are putting words into the mouth of Jesus. That's a sin. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 3:18 PM
                  1. Shall I say, Worship God 'with representation of images'. Am I not adding words here? - emmanuel on Dec 31, 10:09 PM
                  2. Yes, Emmanuel, the exact words of Jesus is this: - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 10:57 PM
                    1. second commandment - emmanuel on Jan 1, 12:37 AM
                    2. Emmanuel, you quoted part of the 1st commandment. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 1, 11:13 AM
                      1. spiritual father - emmanuel on Jan 1, 11:04 PM
                      2. Jesus did not give exceptions. He said "Call No MAN father." That's absolute. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 1:18 AM
                      3. You explain. To whom the verse was referred to? Who should not be called father? - emmanuel on Jan 2, 1:27 AM
                      4. Be consistent Emmanuel. Jesus says call No MAN father. No exception! - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 7:02 AM
                      5. Those titles were forbidden to use in spiritual matters. In religion. - emmanuel on Jan 2, 7:19 AM
                      6. Have you heard of Dr. Joe Ventilacion? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 7:59 AM
                      7. Was he a real doctor by profession? - emmanuel on Jan 2, 8:29 AM
                      8. He is your minister. You tell me what he is a doctor of. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 5:16 PM
                      9. You seemed to know him better than I do. I didn't know he's a doctor. - emmanuel on Jan 2, 8:17 PM
              3. Very good, so why do you need to go to INC chapel to worship? You can just stay at home - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 2:15 PM
                1. You know already the reason, but I'll further explain. - emmanuel on Dec 31, 10:14 PM
                2. Therefore you agree that statues are for remembrance. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 31, 11:14 PM
                  1. We worship in spirit. Spirit has no image. - emmanuel on Jan 1, 12:40 AM
                  2. WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW HOW JESUS LOOKS LIKE? - emmanuel on Jan 1, 2:10 AM
                  3. Emmanuel, you are right God is a Spirit. We as humans cannot visualize God. So - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 1, 11:33 AM
                    1. to see is to believe. - emmanuel on Jan 1, 11:09 PM
                    2. I am sorry Emmanuel. As Jesus says "If you do not believe what I claim to be, you will die - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 1:10 AM
                      1. The Jews did not know what Christ has claimed. - emmanuel on Jan 2, 1:36 AM
                      2. Emmanuel, your church has very poor theology. Poor background too. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 2:22 AM
                      3. John 17:3 Amplified Bible - emmanuel on Jan 2, 2:46 AM
                      4. Emmanuel, you omitted important part of what you quoted. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 7:45 AM
                      5. Does God have gender? - emmanuel on Jan 2, 8:40 AM
                      6. Do you think Father is female? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 3:41 PM
                      7. So He's a male because the word father is used for male gender? Is that it? - emmanuel on Jan 2, 9:07 PM
                      8. Emmanuel, you really have very poor theology. As God, Jesus is equal to God the Father. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 9:34 AM
                      9. Jesus is not God. There is no inferior/equal to God. - emmanuel on Jan 2, 10:09 AM
                      10. Phil 2:6 is clearer. Though he (Jesus) was God, he did not think of equality with God to - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 3:51 PM
                      11. Phil 2:6 is clearer. Though he (Jesus) was God, he did not think of equality with God to - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 3:51 PM
                      12. If you make Jesus God. There will be two gods. The Father is the only true God. - emmanuel on Jan 2, 8:20 PM
                      13. That is a wrong logic. - cyrus2013 on Jan 16, 7:52 AM
                      14. Emmanuel, you are inconsistent. Don't you agree that God is a Spirit? God is not matter. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 9:44 PM
                      15. Father only is the true God. Not with Son nor Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Jan 3, 3:47 AM
                      16. Jesus in his own words that He is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 3, 7:59 AM
                      17. A receiver is a different entity to a giver. God is giver of power to Jesus. - emmanuel on Jan 3, 10:15 AM
                      18. Emmanuel, the power to create the world is not given to any man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 6:54 AM
                      19. You are correct. God is the Creator. Christ is not the Creator. - emmanuel on Jan 4, 9:34 PM
                      20. Emmanuel, you must be illiterate. The bible says Jesus is the Creator of the world. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 5, 6:57 AM
                      21. If Jesus(Son) is the Creator, What did God(Father) do? - emmanuel on Jan 5, 8:23 AM
                      22. Emmanuel, I already told you before & I will tell you again. The Father is the Architect. - Deab O'Gowan on Jan 5, 9:06 PM
                      23. You mean God is the Planner Not a Creator? - emmanuel on Jan 5, 9:26 PM
                      24. Emmanuel, you are proving yourself a big idiot. You are guilty of fallacy of - Deab O'Gowan on Jan 5, 9:55 PM
                      25. James 1:26 - emmanuel on Jan 5, 10:52 PM
                      26. Things Iglesia ministers do not teach. What idols were worshipped by the Jews? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 6, 9:38 PM
                      27. Emmanuel is a troll and an idiot. I have God's permission to call him that to warn him, - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 6, 10:00 PM
                      28. Show me a verse that gives you a right to use profane words. - emmanuel on Jan 6, 10:28 PM
                      29. In Matt 18:17 - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 7, 5:36 AM
                      30. one flock - emmanuel on Jan 7, 6:16 AM
                      31. Emmanuel fools himself. Pasugo Nov. 1940 p. 23. Pasugo May 1968 p.7 - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 7, 8:21 AM
                      32. INC Articles of Incorporation proves Felix Manalo is the founder of INC, Not Jesus Christ. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 7, 8:31 AM
                      33. Even Erano Manalo affirmed the foundation of the INC was laid down by FYM, not Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 7, 8:43 AM
                      34. You are without understanding. - emmanuel on Jan 7, 9:42 PM
        3. Emmanuel, here is the original Ten Commandments since St. Augustine. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 30, 8:54 AM
    2. Emmanuel, that web site is jumping to conclusions. - Tomas on Dec 30, 8:12 AM
      1. water baptism - emmanuel on Dec 30, 8:33 AM
        1. I am not saying the Bible says John was baptized, but - Tomas on Dec 30, 9:07 AM
          1. what church? - emmanuel on Dec 30, 9:08 PM
            1. The church composed of all saved Christians, - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:29 AM
              1. Hope your belief is correct. - emmanuel on Jan 13, 9:32 AM
     
 
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