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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. So many differing interpretations of the bible by Protestants. But the Catholics have only View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 5, 1:44 AM
    1. Too many creeds. Just read the Bible alone. Stop with the creed stuff. - Ed Chapman on Feb 5, 1:56 AM
    2. If the bible alone is the teacher, you will all be Lutherans. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 5, 1:55 PM
      1. We cannot learn everything from the Bible, but - Tomas on Feb 8, 11:23 AM
      2. No, Dean, you will be a Christian if the Bible Alone is the teacher. - Ed Chapman on Feb 8, 11:36 AM
        1. Ed, believing in Bible alone is not a requirement for being a Christian. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2:52 PM
          1. The Bible is Jesus (The Word of God) Revelation 19:13 - Ed Chapman on Feb 15, 8:59 PM
            1. Rev. 19:13 does not speak of salvation requirements. - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:54 PM
      3. No Mr. Chapman, when you reject the church founded by Jesus, you do not become Christian. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 4:58 PM
        1. You are going against the teachings of your church. - Tomas on Feb 15, 3:01 PM
        2. As usual, Tomas doesn't know what he's talking about. Prove it Tomas. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 15, 10:57 PM
          1. OK, here is the proof. - Tomas on Feb 22, 5:23 PM
        3. Tomas, you are excluded from P846. You have been preached the gospel. You are not ignorant - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 22, 10:04 PM
          1. Hearing is not enough. The Catechism wrote well, - Tomas on Mar 1, 1:32 PM
     
  2. The Caiphas' question that condemned Jesus to death. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 22, 4:17 AM
    1. Clearly the high priest was not well informed about - Tomas on Feb 22, 3:38 PM
    2. Tomas, did you think the high priest Caiphas was ignorant of Isaiah 9:6-7? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 23, 5:06 AM
      1. Maybe he was familiar with Is. 9:6-7, but probably - Tomas on Mar 1, 1:21 PM
     
  3. TRINITY - A PAGAN BELIEF! View Thread - TrueOrFalse on Feb 18, 11:40 PM
    1. That is so good I will share something with you. - Theo Book on Feb 20, 7:34 AM
    2. I have proven that Jesus Christ is GOD for over 5 years now - Jason on Feb 21, 3:06 PM
      1. If Christ is God, why didn't He say that? - emmanuel on Feb 22, 1:12 AM
        1. In case Christ is God, then he did not want us to know yet. - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:32 PM
          1. He ALREADY said He's a Man, He ALREADY said He's NOT God. - emmanuel on Feb 23, 5:56 AM
            1. God can do anything, so if he wants to have flesh - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:45 PM
        2. Where did Jesus say He is not God? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 23, 6:26 AM
          1. Jesus is a Man with flesh and bones. - emmanuel on Feb 23, 6:49 AM
          2. Emmanuel, you have poor background on Jews. Let me ask you this. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 23, 11:41 AM
            1. The Jews who do not belong to Christ Church worshiped idols. - emmanuel on Feb 23, 11:02 PM
            2. I am glad you agree that the Jews also worshipped idols. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 5:03 AM
              1. You may have used a wrong translation of 1 John 5:20. - emmanuel on Feb 24, 8:39 AM
              2. All translations of 1 John 5:20 refer to Jesus Christ as the true God and eternal life. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 11:00 AM
              3. All translations of 1 John 5:20 refer to Jesus Christ as the true God and eternal life. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 11:01 AM
              4. All translations of 1 John 5:20 refer to Jesus Christ as the true God and eternal life. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 11:02 AM
                1. God is life eternal. - emmanuel on Feb 24, 11:28 AM
                2. Emmnuel, I am afraid your translation is not supported by any respectable bible scholar - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 5:11 PM
                  1. Christ is not the Father. - emmanuel on Feb 24, 10:51 PM
                3. Emmanuel, did you study English at all? Which is the subject Son or Him? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 1:25 AM
      2. You are a PAGAN believer... - Anonymous on Feb 23, 12:59 AM
      3. You are a PAGAN believer... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 23, 12:59 AM
    3. The WCC defines a Christian as one who confesses that Lord Jesus Christ as God and Savior. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 23, 12:44 PM
      1. Where do you belong? - TrueOrFalse on Feb 23, 6:58 PM
      2. Friend, I belong to the church that Jesus founded. The same church that produced the bible - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 12:59 AM
        1. Here are the major churches in the world. Which church do you belong to? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 1:32 AM
     
  4. Yet another invention by the Felix Manalo. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 1:47 AM
    1. Felix Manalo puffed up Filipino pride. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 2:46 AM
      1. You are wrong that in Christ's time only Negritoes and Aetas - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:36 PM
     
  5. Christ, the Savior, founded his church. Why? What for? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 5:56 AM
    1. Christ the Savior founded his church, but Protestants say they have faith in him, but they - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 6:01 AM
      1. We belong in the Church Christ founded. It does not consist of - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:20 PM
     
  6. Dean, Let's see if you will be HONEST enough.... View Thread - TrueOrFalse on Feb 27, 7:41 AM
    1. Let's see if you are honest enough to answer my questions. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 12:43 PM
    2. Famous miracles through the Rosary. Proof God is with the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 3:13 PM
      1. Satan can fake miracles in order to lead Christians into sin. - Tomas on Mar 1, 9:52 AM
      2. So what sins were committed by those who received miracles? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 10:23 AM
        1. The sin of praying the rosary. - Tomas on Mar 1, 10:38 AM
      3. Tomas, are you rewriting the 10 Commandments? Where does it say that praying the rosary is - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 12:02 PM
        1. The Ten commandments are not the whole Bible. - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:10 PM
    3. TrulyFalse. Be honest to tell the truth. When did you start joining the church of Manalo? - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 9:22 AM
     
  7. For ALL CATHOLICS like Dean O'Gowan... View Thread - TrueOrFalse on Feb 24, 8:35 PM
    1. Catholics can't accept their Apostatize Church... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 25, 7:07 AM
    2. TrulyFalse displays lack of faith in Jesus. So he puts his faith in Felix Manalo. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 1:09 PM
    3. TrulyFalse, the Church founded by Jesus cannot apostatize. Why? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 5:58 PM
      1. Dean CAN NOT comprehend... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 25, 7:21 PM
        1. The Catholic church is not apostatized, it is wrong only - Tomas on Mar 1, 11:53 AM
    4. TrulyFalse, your premises are all wrong. Because you beliefs in the box of sola scriptura. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 3:24 AM
      1. Dean, Let's see if you will be HONEST enough.... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 26, 9:31 PM
        1. Are you HONEST enough to know... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 27, 6:52 AM
      2. Dean, ADMITTED the CHANGES that his - TrueOrFalse on Feb 26, 9:51 PM
      3. Dean is so AMAZING... - TrueOrFalse on Feb 26, 10:02 PM
        1. Your church does not follow the Bible alone either. - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:03 PM
     
  8. What you must do to be saved. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 8, 11:41 PM
    1. Yes, we also need to obey commandments. But - Tomas on Feb 15, 2:43 PM
    2. Tomas, you are inventing a new doctrine. Where does it say to confess to God? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 15, 7:10 PM
      1. Rom. 14:11 says "will confess to God" in Greek, - Tomas on Feb 22, 5:39 PM
        1. Do you mean to say,confess as in admit? - emmanuel on Feb 22, 10:49 PM
          1. Yes, read verse 12. - Tomas on Mar 1, 11:33 AM
      2. Tomas, you are still behaving like a moron. Rom 14:11 does not mean to confess sins to God - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 22, 7:58 PM
        1. Rom. 14:11 says in Greek exomologesetai toi Theoi. - Tomas on Mar 1, 11:42 AM
    3. Repent and believe in the only begotten Son of God, Jesus, the Christ. - Michael on Feb 24, 11:20 AM
    4. Yes, salvation is the grace of God through faith. - cyrus2013 on Feb 24, 2:54 PM
    5. So why are you guys Protestants instead of being Christians? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 6:15 PM
      1. Jesus is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Feb 25, 1:02 AM
        1. Luke 10:16. Did Jesus commission the bible or the church? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 1:55 AM
          1. Did what you say refute that "Jesus, the Christ, is the savior, not the church"? - Michael on Feb 25, 5:12 AM
      2. So Michael, you don't need the Church Jesus founded. You only need the bible, right? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 1:30 AM
        1. Not a matter of need. - Michael on Feb 25, 5:45 AM
        2. So Michael, why are you not a Lutheran? - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 2:27 AM
          1. Because I am a Christian. - Michael on Feb 26, 8:49 AM
        3. No Michael. A young lady was telling Dr. Laura Schlessinger that she wants her Catholic - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 12:05 PM
          1. Yes Dean. It's neither name nor church that saves me. Jesus do. - Michael on Feb 26, 3:15 PM
          2. I don't reject any church. What I reject are their false doctrines and practices. - Michael on Feb 26, 4:03 PM
            1. WITH CORRECTION. - Michael on Feb 27, 1:11 AM
    6. Only faith and belief in Jesus Christ is all you need - Jason on Feb 26, 9:01 PM
      1. 1% change Deano will accept the Word Of God as inerrant - Jason on Feb 26, 9:24 PM
      2. Why you did not include, faith without work is dead. - emmanuel on Feb 27, 9:14 AM
    7. Jason, the Catholic Church teaches that the bible is the inspired word of God. But who is - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 7:17 AM
     
  9. Who founded the "Iglesia ni Cristo"? Who signed this Articles of Incorporation? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 29, 8:28 AM
    1. Who divided the sea during Moses time? Who stretched out his hand over the sea? - Wayne on Oct 29, 6:52 PM
      1. God founded the church of God, and then allowed Christians to found - Tomas on Nov 2, 12:02 PM
        1. It's not His will - tumpak on Dec 16, 10:54 PM
          1. It's his will, just like God allowed Christians to found churches in Antioch, - Tomas on Dec 30, 9:16 AM
            1. Really? - tumpak on Jan 10, 7:54 AM
              1. The Bible does not say only apostles can found churches. - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:01 AM
              2. Where does Jesus authorize anyone to found another church to compete with the church he - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 10:07 AM
                1. It is better for different denominations not to compete, - Tomas on Jan 20, 4:34 AM
      2. Thomas, it's like God allowed Adam Lanza to kill 26 people including 20 children. No Thoma - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 17, 6:00 AM
        1. God allows false churches but hates them just as much - Tomas on Dec 30, 9:19 AM
        2. Thomas, list down the true churches and the false churches. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 1:20 AM
          1. I can't list all of them, I don't know all of them, - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:11 AM
            1. How can many religions be correct if they are teaching different beliefs? - emmanuel on Jan 13, 9:29 PM
              1. Because no church is infallible on secondary issues. - Tomas on Jan 20, 4:39 AM
        3. Thomas, here are some of the more famous churches. Which are true and which are false? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 12:28 AM
          1. Among these you have listed, false gospels are: - Tomas on Jan 20, 5:11 AM
    2. Felix Manalo? - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 30, 5:43 AM
      1. What about Eduardo Manalo? - kulafu on Jan 1, 1:15 PM
      2. Dean, he did not teach he was superior to the prophets. - Tomas on Jan 13, 5:14 AM
      3. This is new to my hearing. lol. - emmanuel on Jan 14, 9:04 AM
      4. Why don't you explain to us Rev. 7:1-4? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 9:39 AM
        1. Okay. Revelation 7:1-3 Darby - emmanuel on Jan 14, 10:25 AM
        2. Really, are you consistent and logical? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 11:30 AM
          1. HERE IS WHY REV 7:2 SHOWS FYM IS NOT ASCENDING ANGEL OF THE EAST - SWATTYboy on Feb 17, 8:16 AM
            1. Your Nexus Whatever cannot be applied because Rev. 7:2 was a metaphor. - emmanuel on Feb 17, 10:16 AM
              1. a Non-Literal interpretation of Rev 7:2 requires Nexus between Ascending Angel & 4 Angels - SWATTYboy on Feb 17, 11:21 AM
                1. Your Nexus is NOT applicable to Revelation 7:2. - emmanuel on Feb 17, 7:24 PM
                  1. You are incorrect. A MODICUM OF NEXUS IS PRESENT BETWEEN REV 7 ASCENDING ANGEL & 4 ANGELS. - SWATTYboy on Feb 17, 7:46 PM
          2. Also, in 1919, FYM is a citizen of the USA Commonwealth of the Philippines. FYM's ruler is - SWATTYboy on Feb 17, 8:27 AM
        3. The other angel cried with a loud voice to the four angels, - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 11:46 AM
        4. Emmanuel, did you forget Rev. 7-4? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 5:05 PM
        5. Did the Catholic Church convert some Jews to Catholicism? I am glad you asked. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 14, 5:30 PM
        6. Felix Manalo's interpretation of Rev. 7 is "paltok!" Faulty! - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 15, 2:48 AM
          1. The white horse signifies the false Christ - cyrus2013 on Jan 15, 11:14 AM
          2. Cyrus, why is your interpretation more correct than Irenaeus? Emmanuel where are you? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 15, 2:35 PM
            1. Your interpretations are not from God. - emmanuel on Jan 15, 10:55 PM
            2. More correct is a wrong use of word. - cyrus2013 on Jan 16, 7:43 AM
    3. INC website admits Felix Manalo is founder and owner of Iglesia ni Cristo. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 17, 5:38 AM
      1. Did you know that you are blind? - emmanuel on Feb 17, 9:47 AM
      2. $1,000 reward for you Emmanuel, if you can prove that - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 17, 10:57 AM
        1. If the form is not asking for a Founder, why did SEC allowed INC to write.. - emmanuel on Feb 17, 7:33 PM
        2. Emmanuel, Felix Manalo wants to claim to be the FOUNDER of the Iglesia ni Cristo. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 18, 7:19 AM
          1. Can you show a black and white evidence that he really claimed to be the Founder of INC? - emmanuel on Feb 25, 11:15 PM
        3. Emmanuel, I will do better than that. I offer you $1,000 for you to prove that the article - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 4:24 PM
    4. Same accusation by you, without addressing the simple answer. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 17, 10:58 PM
    5. Mr. Cessor is writing a new Philippine law? If not, what Philippine law are you talking - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 18, 7:09 AM
      1. Come now, Voice - don't you remember when we had this discussion - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 23, 11:20 AM
    6. Mr. Cessor did not answer the questions. He gave a reference that favor me! - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 23, 12:27 PM
      1. Emmanuel, you INC Cessor is proving my point. SEC does not require to state a FOUNDER. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 1:10 AM
        1. Bro. Glenn just explained why was it registered. - emmanuel on Feb 24, 11:03 AM
          1. Dean really doesn't care about right and wrong or true and false - here's a little story. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 25, 3:41 PM
            1. Thanks for the info Bro. Dean has no credibility at all. - emmanuel on Feb 26, 6:23 AM
      2. Emmanuel, registration is not the issue. It is not even questioned at all. The issue is - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 24, 5:54 PM
        1. You are giving a wrong answer. - emmanuel on Feb 24, 10:20 PM
        2. Emmanuel, SEC is just ministerial or clerical function when it comes to registration. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 12:32 AM
        3. I am sorry to say, you are deceived by the Manalos. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 12:51 AM
          1. Do you admit what Bro. Glenn had revealed? - emmanuel on Feb 26, 6:26 AM
        4. Bro. Glenn Cessor is lying. Even moderators of this forum cannot view IP address of those - Moderator on Feb 26, 9:37 AM
          1. Just wondering. Why won't you let Dean defend himself? - emmanuel on Feb 26, 10:03 AM
          2. Thanks Mod. Mr. Cessor, Emmanuel is speculating that you are an expert on computers. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 11:49 AM
            1. Do you mean to say he is lying? Are you telling the truth? - emmanuel on Feb 26, 12:11 PM
            2. The Moderator says he is lying. So Mr. Cessor has no credibility. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 26, 4:13 PM
              1. Look here, I was also deceived by this VFD. - emmanuel on Feb 26, 9:30 PM
              2. Yet you do not see the clear deceptions by Felix Manalo. He lied that Jesus founded "Igles - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 9:19 AM
                1. FYM never lied to anything. Dean MISUNDERSTOOD everything. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 7:51 AM
                  1. FYM never lied? He must have been the first Christian after Jesus, - Tomas on Mar 1, 9:54 AM
                    1. Never lied when he said INC is the true Church Of Christ. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 10:04 AM
                      1. OK, that was probably not an intentional lie, - Tomas on Mar 1, 10:42 AM
                      2. INC is reaching out to all the people of the world. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 11:09 AM
          3. Ask your minister Cessor if he is a computer expert and hacker. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 5:46 AM
            1. I never said I was. But let's dig a little deeper, shall we? - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 28, 1:53 PM
          4. See Emmanuel, your INC minister Cessor admits moderators cannot see IP address of posters. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 12:20 AM
            1. The Church Christ built never allowed worshiping of carved images. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 7:18 AM
              1. Not in the first several centuries, but later at least one branch of the Church - Tomas on Mar 1, 9:58 AM
          5. Emmanuel cannot deny that Felix Manalo founded the "Iglesia ni Cristo" so he diverted. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 8:33 AM
            1. You are twisting the words of God. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 9:00 AM
        5. Emmanuel, Jesus founded his church and gave it AUTHORITY to loose and bind. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 1, 10:14 AM
          1. Catholic Church apostatized and no longer upholding the teachings of Christ. - emmanuel on Mar 1, 11:12 AM
            1. The Catholic church is teaching the most important teachings of Christ, - Tomas on Mar 1, 11:29 AM
     
  10. Gospel of Matthew versus Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) View Thread - kulafu on Feb 28, 7:46 PM
    1. How convenient, the Aramaic rolls were destroyed in a bombing, - Tomas on Mar 1, 11:22 AM
     
 
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