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  1. Dean- was there any command for mankind to worship Jesus? View Thread - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:11 PM
    1. Matt 4:10 - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 9, 2013, 5:45 PM
      1. Why lie and mislead this forum, Dean? Jesus said to worship God, the Father !! - Kumag si Dean on Oct 10, 2013, 2:51 AM
        1. The angels are commanded to worship God, Heb. 1:6. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 9:00 PM
          1. You read the wrong translation, Tom. Here's Douay's - it says "ADORE"- not worship !! - KUmag Ka on Oct 22, 2013, 6:26 PM
            1. a·dore - Saleem Sinai on Oct 23, 2013, 12:31 AM
              1. Saleem, worship is not the exclusive meaning of adore- there are many others !! - Kumag Ka on Oct 23, 2013, 4:39 AM
              2. Hey bro! - Mervy on Nov 1, 2013, 1:22 PM
                1. Just passing by :) - Saleem on Nov 28, 2013, 2:32 AM
              3. wow!!! - ncv on Nov 5, 2013, 9:38 AM
            2. Greek - προσκυνησ&a - Saleem Sinai on Oct 23, 2013, 12:41 AM
              1. Only God is worthy of worship- none else !! - Kumag Ka on Oct 23, 2013, 4:42 AM
            3. Kumag Ka, it's the same Greek verb as is used to worship God. - Tomas on Oct 25, 2013, 4:35 PM
              1. If the command is to worship God, it implies all worships to others - Kumag Kayo on Oct 25, 2013, 9:14 PM
                1. Deut. 8:19 does not apply, we do not forget the Lord our God - Tomas on Oct 26, 2013, 1:29 AM
                  1. Tom, that angel is a created being thus you are guilty of IDOlatry !! - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 6:58 PM
                    1. The Bible does not say whether the Angel of Philadelphia was created. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:27 PM
                      1. The BIble did NOT say many things, Tom. Why speculate on things NOT written? - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 6:57 PM
                      2. So why do you speculate and even assert that the angel of - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:29 PM
                      3. Angels not created? Because you have not the verse doesn't mean - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:01 PM
                      4. Normal angels are created of course. But - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 5:47 PM
              2. what a twisted logic, Tom. - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 7:02 PM
                1. Not twisted. The angel did not say worship ONLY God. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:31 PM
                  1. why dwell on things "NOT" said- and why speculate, Tom? - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 7:17 PM
                    1. You speculate and even assert that we are to worship only God. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:31 PM
                      1. Tom, you believe the angel of the church in Philadelphia is God??? LOL LOL - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:14 PM
                      2. He could be God, and he could be uncreated. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 5:50 PM
    2. Ha ha ha...now it can be told- there is no God's command to worship Jesus ! - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:00 PM
    3. 5 biblical verses that call Jesus God. That's why Jesus is worshiped. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 2013, 11:56 PM
      1. I asked for God's command- is there any? None, let's admit it. - Kumag Ka on Nov 15, 2013, 12:27 AM
      2. Dean, have you ever wondered WHY only the gospel of John wrote about that infamous remark? - Kumag Ka on Nov 15, 2013, 12:39 AM
      3. Kumag, Thomas did not blurt out "My Lord and my God." - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 23, 2013, 1:09 AM
        1. Just assuming, is this the same God that ate broiled fish just after that - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 2013, 6:22 PM
        2. Kumag, don't you know that Jesus is the image of the invisible God? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 25, 2013, 5:40 AM
          1. why, can an "image of God" eat broiled fish, Dean? - Kumag Ka on Nov 26, 2013, 6:14 PM
     
  2. Thank you INCquisitor. I am glad you have proven the INC is a false church View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:10 PM
    1. Point 1. “Jesus taught that he is a MAN (John 8:40)” - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:12 PM
    2. Point 2. “the Father is the ONLY TRUE God (John 17:3).” - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:13 PM
    3. Point 3. “Jesus taught that the Father is HIS Father and our Father, HIS God and our God - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:14 PM
    4. Point 4.“The Catholic Church teaches that the ONLY TRUE God is a triune God - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:23 PM
      1. so it is the RCC that teach it, not the BIble. LOL - Kumag Ka on Nov 26, 2013, 6:29 PM
      2. Kumag, who did Jesus commission to teach? The bible or the Church? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 27, 2013, 2:22 AM
    5. Point 5. “It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the Catholic Church - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 2013, 3:23 PM
      1. Houston, er Dean, we have a problem. - Kumag Ka on Nov 26, 2013, 6:39 PM
      2. Kumag, foolish Iglesia member cannot refute, so he resorts to ridicule. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 27, 2013, 2:41 AM
     
  3. Biblical proofs that Jesus is God. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:49 PM
    1. 1, Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:50 PM
    2. 2. Jesus Christ Is Eternal - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:51 PM
    3. 3. Jesus Christ Has Divine Names - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:52 PM
    4. 4. Jesus Claimed Equality with God - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:53 PM
    5. 5. Jesus Christ is Omnipresent - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:54 PM
    6. 6. Jesus Christ Is Omnipotent - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:56 PM
    7. 7. Jesus Christ Is Omniscient - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:56 PM
    8. 8. Jesus Christ Has Creative Powers - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:57 PM
    9. 9. Jesus Christ Has Power Over the Elements of Nature - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:58 PM
    10. 10. Jesus Christ Received Worship - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 3:59 PM
      1. Nobody worships Jesus, if there were he called them "hypocrites, vain worshipers" !! - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 11:05 PM
        1. wHEre's Dean? playing deaf and dumb to this issue? lol - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:07 PM
    11. 11. Jesus Christ Forgave Sins - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 4:00 PM
      1. Have you ever wondered why Jesus always say "your sins are forgiven"? - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 10:42 PM
    12. 12. Jesus Christ Had Power Over His Own Life and Death - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 4:01 PM
      1. When Jesus died, who raised him back to life? - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 10:50 PM
        1. Dean's doctrines have been refuted but where's he hiding? lol - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:08 PM
    13. Jesus' words are clear "If you do not believe what I claim to be, you will die in your - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 28, 2013, 5:44 PM
    14. All of Scripture contradicts trinity doctrine. - Theo Book on Jul 29, 2013, 7:39 AM
    15. Theo is unable to disprove that Jesus is God, so he goes to the Trinity and other - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 29, 2013, 8:13 PM
      1. Not at all. God reveals Himself as 1st person singular. That takes care of all other claim - Theo Book on Jul 30, 2013, 7:38 AM
      2. God identifies himself as I AM in Gen. 17:4 and Exo. 3:14. So did Jesus in John 8:58. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 30, 2013, 10:20 AM
        1. That is so totally wrong! - Theo Book on Jul 30, 2013, 1:00 PM
          1. The book of Exodus is inspired in Hebrew, not Greek. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2013, 2:51 PM
            1. I have been told English is the only bible on this board. Does this apply only to me? - Theo Book on Aug 3, 2013, 4:51 AM
        2. In the Syriac Peshitta, it is written "I was". - Kumag Ka on Sep 14, 2013, 10:17 PM
          1. Good argument. Anyway, in Ex. 3:14, ehye means 'I will be', - Tomas on Sep 23, 2013, 6:44 AM
      3. Theo is back to his Greek distortion. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 31, 2013, 2:19 AM
        1. Spoken like a true lapdog. - Theo Book on Jul 31, 2013, 5:08 AM
      4. Theo, you are in the wrong forum. Go to this Greek Christian forum - Dean O' Gowan on Jul 31, 2013, 3:13 AM
        1. Unless you own the forum, shut up! - Theo Book on Jul 31, 2013, 5:14 AM
    16. Isn't Jesus both God and Man to you, Dean? - Kumag Ka on Sep 14, 2013, 10:19 PM
      1. What's your point? - Dean O'Gowan on Sep 15, 2013, 5:29 PM
        1. Did Jesus claim he is God? - Kumag Kayo on Sep 15, 2013, 10:25 PM
        2. Jesus’ Own Words That He is God - Dean O' Gowan on Sep 16, 2013, 2:43 AM
          1. Really, did Jesus call himself God in John 8:58? - Kumag Ka on Sep 18, 2013, 5:03 AM
          2. "Is Jesus deity?" is not the same as "is Jesus God?" - Theo Book on Sep 30, 2013, 4:18 PM
          3. Dean is lying under his teeth... Jesus never has claimed He is God !! - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 5:37 PM
        3. Jesus Accepted Worship. - Dean O' Gowan on Sep 16, 2013, 2:45 AM
          1. tell me, did his apostles ever worship him? - Kumag Ka on Sep 18, 2013, 5:29 AM
          2. Jesus is worshipped. - Dean O'Gowan on Sep 18, 2013, 7:18 PM
            1. DEAN'S PROOFS EASILY REFUTED, DEBUNKED !! - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 2013, 1:00 AM
        4. Jesus Demonstrated That He was God - Dean O' Gowan on Sep 16, 2013, 2:46 AM
          1. To whom could you liken God and who is his equal? asked Isa 4O:25, 18. - Kumag Ka on Sep 18, 2013, 5:49 AM
        5. Jesus Forgave Sins Against God - Dean O' Gowan on Sep 16, 2013, 2:47 AM
          1. Dean, every time Jesus says "your sins are forgiven", why? - Kumag Ka on Sep 18, 2013, 5:53 AM
            1. and suddenly took his early vacation to escape the issue...lol - Kumag Ka on Sep 19, 2013, 9:39 PM
          2. Jesus forgave sins. The Jews know only God can forgive sins. - Dean O' Gowan on Sep 19, 2013, 10:07 PM
            1. Jews thought wrongly only God can forgive sins. - Tomas on Sep 20, 2013, 5:21 PM
            2. Then why am I told to forgive those who harm me? I am not God. - Theo Book on Sep 30, 2013, 4:22 PM
            3. WITHOUT GOD, CAN JESUS FORGIVE SINS BY HIMSELF? - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 2013, 1:01 AM
            4. Ever wonder why Jesus always say "your sins are forgiven" instead - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 2013, 3:51 AM
          3. Kumag ignores principal post proving Jesus is God. He engages in peripheral stuffs. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 4, 2013, 4:03 AM
            1. I mean you can't fix stupid. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 4, 2013, 4:04 AM
              1. ha hahha... now you are fixing your own stupidity. lol - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:06 PM
                1. Why are you both sinning by calling each other stupid? - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 9:08 PM
                  1. Can you ask Dean who started it all? - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 7:50 PM
                    1. I asked both, so I asked Dean too. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:19 PM
            2. Dean's doctrines above were easily refuted- but where's he hiding? PLaying deaf & dumb? lo - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:10 PM
     
  4. Is this forum dead? View Thread - Kumag ka on Oct 8, 2013, 7:43 PM
    1. You are dead. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 8, 2013, 7:56 PM
      1. Ha ahaha ... dean has raised back from the dead. lol - Kumag si Dean on Oct 10, 2013, 2:53 AM
        1. You mean the devil has so much power, that he can raise someone - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 8:51 PM
          1. No I really didn't literally mean that to Dean. - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 8:27 PM
            1. Satan was the ruler of this world in the first century, as all countries of that time - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:15 PM
    2. I guess it was more dead when I was on vacation. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 8:54 PM
      1. That's right let's make this forum live again ! - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 8:27 PM
     
  5. Tom, why did you say United Pentecostal Church or RCC is "a" true church? View Thread - Kumag Ka on Nov 16, 2013, 8:19 PM
    1. Because they both preach the gospel, even if they are wrong - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:10 PM
     
  6. Felix Manalo was angel of the east? Iglesias fail to prove FYM was angel of the east. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 16, 2013, 4:28 AM
    1. Kumag, why don't you help your brother Emmanuel? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 18, 2013, 4:39 PM
      1. Manalo, who? I know Emman- he worships the man Jesus. - Kumag Ka on Nov 18, 2013, 6:17 PM
      2. Who do you worship, if any? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 20, 2013, 3:55 PM
        1. Jesus said to worship God- who or what else, Guenter? - Kumag Ka on Nov 20, 2013, 9:08 PM
      3. You don't believe that Jesus is God as well as man? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 21, 2013, 1:45 AM
        1. then prove that he is both God and man at the same time - Kumag Ka on Nov 21, 2013, 6:54 PM
        2. It's the law of nature that offsprings inherit the substance and nature of its parents. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 22, 2013, 12:05 AM
          1. The following chart should help you see the two natures of Jesus "in action": - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 22, 2013, 12:08 AM
            1. well, where's the verse that says he is "BOTH" God and Man? - KUmag Ka on Nov 22, 2013, 4:42 PM
            2. Baby boy God? Well, does God age, Dean? how old is God now? - Kumag Ka on Nov 22, 2013, 5:27 PM
            3. God is Spirit- invisible, so who did Thomas actually see- God or Jesus? - Kumag Ka on Nov 22, 2013, 6:41 PM
          2. Did Jesus claim he is God or Son of God? - KUmag Ka on Nov 22, 2013, 4:51 PM
            1. Son of God, for example in John 5:25. - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 7:03 PM
     
  7. Nice color background, moderator. View Thread - emmanuel on Nov 10, 2013, 9:58 PM
    1. salamat po.. - Host on Nov 11, 2013, 8:53 PM
     
  8. Dean said Jesus is God because Thomas called him as such. View Thread - Kumag Ka on Oct 1, 2013, 12:43 AM
    1. Jesus is God because the Bible says Jesus is God - Jason on Oct 1, 2013, 9:21 PM
      1. Jesus didn' t claim it, the apostles didn't preach it. - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 4:09 AM
        1. Would you ask Jesus - tumpak on Oct 2, 2013, 8:41 AM
          1. YOu are way out of line, tumpak ! WHy are you messing up this thread - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 5:35 PM
            1. Stephen asked Jesus to receive his soul. - Tomas on Oct 11, 2013, 9:02 PM
        2. But do you worship - tumpak on Oct 2, 2013, 6:01 PM
          1. tumpak is not living to his name, why should he ask if i worship Jesus? - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 7:42 PM
    2. I wonder if Dean has escaped to nowhere... is he afraid to face the truth? - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 10:22 PM
    3. I wonder why Dean hasn't showed up the past days. he's afraid to face the truth? - Kumag Ka on Oct 7, 2013, 7:13 PM
     
  9. Ed Watson- Your God Jesus said to worship His God, the Father. View Thread - Theo Book on Jul 19, 2013, 8:06 AM
    1. Ed Watson, not here. But any Catholic can answer you. Your passages does not deny that - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 2013, 9:24 AM
      1. The son of God is GOD??? - Theo Book on Jul 19, 2013, 3:09 PM
      2. Theo, Gen. 6:4 sons of God refer to created sons of God. But Jesus is not created. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 2013, 3:57 PM
        1. Jesus is indeed created, whether or not he is God. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2013, 4:53 PM
          1. Tomas, God is Creator, not created. Jesus before he assumed humanity was Creator. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 2013, 7:03 PM
            1. In Greek, those verses say 'through him', not 'by him'. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2013, 7:48 PM
            2. Jesus is a being created in a form of God. - Theo Book on Jul 20, 2013, 2:52 AM
          2. Again Tomas statement that God can create another God is absurd. - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 7:53 PM
        2. What Greek word are you using for "Himself?" - Theo Book on Jul 19, 2013, 4:55 PM
          1. That word is not in the Greek. But some Greek versions - Tomas on Jul 19, 2013, 5:06 PM
            1. God is not "begotten." - Theo Book on Jul 20, 2013, 3:00 AM
              1. But God can beget another part of God if he wants to. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2013, 2:53 PM
          2. Theo, a person is composed of body and soul. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 2013, 7:19 PM
            1. Do you believe that the body of Jesus is not part of God? - Tomas on Jul 19, 2013, 7:55 PM
            2. God is heart and soul - Theo Book on Jul 20, 2013, 3:04 AM
              1. Theo, you are incoherent. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 20, 2013, 6:46 AM
                1. Tell that to Jeremiah - HE wrote it. - Theo Book on Jul 20, 2013, 9:15 AM
            3. Tomas, study about hypostatic union. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 20, 2013, 6:44 AM
              1. creeds of men will never tell it true. - Theo Book on Jul 20, 2013, 9:50 AM
              2. Theo, you need to go back to Greece and let the Orthodox priests teach - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 20, 2013, 10:05 PM
                1. I will let Paul teach me Greek. "Inspired" remember? - Theo Book on Jul 21, 2013, 4:56 AM
              3. Theo, you don't even believe Jesus and Paul. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 21, 2013, 7:30 PM
                1. Because "plain english" does not express "Plain GREEK." - Theo Book on Jul 22, 2013, 6:21 AM
              4. Theo, 10 million Greeks do not agree with you. Are you saying your Greek is correct and - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 22, 2013, 7:57 AM
                1. wELLL L L L L L L - You could check it against the Greek New Testament. DUH!!! - Theo Book on Jul 22, 2013, 3:33 PM
              5. Theo, Jesus founded his Church with authority to teach. The bible is just one of the tools - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 23, 2013, 1:24 AM
              6. Theo, Jesus founded his Church with authority to teach. The bible is just one of the tools - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 23, 2013, 1:25 AM
                1. I do not bother with Greek church. I bother with Greek grammar. - Theo Book on Jul 23, 2013, 7:40 AM
              7. Theo, are you even a Greek language teacher? What are your qualifications and credentials? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 23, 2013, 7:28 PM
                1. Do not play the fool with me O'Gowan - Theo Book on Jul 25, 2013, 3:53 AM
              8. Dean, your author Matt Slick is contradicting himself. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2013, 3:01 PM
              9. There is no contradiction. You are just being pig headed. Like Theo. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 27, 2013, 8:58 AM
                1. Unlike O'Gowan who thinks only "He" understands anything... - Theo Book on Jul 28, 2013, 1:14 PM
                2. Dean, you are still not clear. Tell me clearly, was Jesus' body - Tomas on Aug 2, 2013, 3:01 PM
        3. Jesus is the beginning of all God's creation. Rev 3:14 - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 2013, 5:51 PM
     
  10. Who owns this site? View Thread - Gordon Cancio on Aug 28, 2005, 9:54 PM
    1. Gordon, it's called redirect in html scripting. It could be a copyright violation. - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 28, 2005, 10:04 PM
      1. then again... - Gordon Cancio on Aug 28, 2005, 10:12 PM
      2. It's doubful if network54.com will permit redirecting even if imor owns it. - VoiceintheWilderness on Aug 28, 2005, 10:22 PM
        1. It has been up for years. - Dr. Lucia Teen on Aug 29, 2005, 12:37 AM
          1. Hello Doctora.... - Gordon on Aug 29, 2005, 1:34 AM
          2. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iglesianicristo1914 - Dr. Lucia Teen on Aug 29, 2005, 9:42 PM
    2. Re: Who owns this site? - avanthika on Sep 28, 2013, 4:23 AM
     
 
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