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  1. Question for Tomas: If God cannot be tested, why did Peter ask the other Apostles at the View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 9:48 AM
    1. James 1:13 says God cannot be tempted with evil. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 5:48 PM
      1. You're understanding of the Bible is full of flaws, only little ones, but decisive ones - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 2:42 PM
        1. I know enough German to understand what Luther wrote - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 3:47 PM
          1. Tomas, I wish you'd understand German better. There is no need to add "zu tun" when you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 6:38 PM
            1. So there is no 'to do' in the original Greek either. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 1:16 PM
      2. Jesus was not tempted with evil, Jesus was tempted BY evil! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:14 PM
        1. Whatever, you can argue about prepositions, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 7:00 PM
          1. I am not arguing about prepositions, what is important is the true meaning of a verse. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 29, 2013, 7:41 AM
            1. And the true meaning of some verses is just not so clear. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2013, 6:08 PM
     
  2. Pope Is Quoted Referring to a Vatican ‘Gay Lobby’ View Thread - Wayne on Jun 13, 2013, 4:22 AM
    1. So what? INC's fake angel FYM was a rapist and sex offender. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 13, 2013, 5:18 AM
    2. Re: Pope Is Quoted Referring to a Vatican ‘Gay Lobby’ - Nom on Jun 14, 2013, 12:45 AM
      1. So what? We are all sinners one way or another. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 7:04 AM
      2. But FYM claimed to be an angel, Angels are holy,no false is on their lips (as Pasugo says) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 7:20 AM
        1. Not that kind of angel, he was a messenger. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 11:35 AM
          1. Baloney, Tomas. FYM declared himself infallible and free of errors. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 9:14 PM
            1. So he was wrong in claiming to have become right on all the doctrines. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:15 PM
              1. I gave you evidence in other threads that FYM was manipulating. Not errors, deliberately . - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:22 PM
                1. And I have shown you in other threads that you might be wrong - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 6:50 PM
                  1. I am with you that many ministers of INC don't have the picture of the true FYM and are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 29, 2013, 7:53 AM
                    1. I am not a mind reader, so I can't know FYM's true motivations, - Tomas on Jul 5, 2013, 6:03 PM
     
  3. Agnostic American touched by the Holy Spirit inside St. Peter's Basilica View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 10, 2013, 7:07 AM
    1. Better a Catholic than an unsaved agnostic. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 12:10 PM
    2. Better Catholic than an probably unsaved "Maybist", like "Maybist" Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 6:33 AM
      1. I am firm on all the doctrines needed for salvation, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:00 PM
        1. Here goes Sir, Lord, God Tomas again, he is sure he will be saved. THAT is blasphemy, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:33 PM
          1. I am not God, and I am not blaspheming. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 6:38 PM
            1. Being certain that you are saved would make you equal with God. ONLY God knows who will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 29, 2013, 7:57 AM
              1. Did Paul not know he was saved? Read for example - Tomas on Jul 5, 2013, 5:59 PM
     
  4. Felix Manalo is one of the false prophets Jesus warned us about. What is a false prophet? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 6:11 AM
    1. Motivation of false prophets is money. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 6:13 AM
      1. Exactly! - Jim on Apr 17, 2013, 3:07 PM
      2. amazing discussion on notorious Filipinos - Romy Espanol II on May 27, 2013, 5:58 PM
    2. False Prophets Will Be Numerous, And Very Successful. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 6:18 AM
      1. Empty! - Jim on Apr 17, 2013, 3:14 PM
    3. Many Prefer the False Prophet. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 6:21 AM
      1. And they blindly follow this false prophet even if evidences prove that he is a false - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 6:58 AM
        1. old topic next please!~ - Jim on Apr 17, 2013, 3:08 PM
      2. Here is a testimony of a pastor. Are you reading this Emmanuel? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2013, 7:07 AM
        1. A letter of a loser pastor! - Jim on Apr 17, 2013, 3:01 PM
        2. This is a lie. - emmanuel on Apr 18, 2013, 12:38 AM
          1. Emmanuel, it's not a lie. But so what? Felix was a wife beater before he founded his own, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 2013, 7:42 AM
            1. Herr Guenter, Filipinos are Stereotyped as being Notorious Lying Cover-Up Artists - Ms. Beatrice Too on May 12, 2013, 10:11 AM
              1. I visited the Philippines 16 times in the last six years, 3 to 6 weeks at every visit. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 3:40 PM
                1. Liar - Jim on May 24, 2013, 6:50 PM
                  1. Hi Jim, how are you? Be careful calling someone liar. Here are some of the sources: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 8:19 PM
                    1. no wonder why! - Jim on May 24, 2013, 9:10 PM
                      1. Sure, like fake angel and rapist FYM - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:29 PM
                      2. I am pretty sure that's your final answer! - Jim on May 24, 2013, 9:41 PM
                      3. It sure is. Tell me , if it's wrong and why. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:52 PM
                      4. The scarcity of the mind..... - Jim on May 25, 2013, 5:32 AM
                      5. Your inability to answer a simple question..speaks volumes. You know, my friend, I really - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 9:50 PM
                    2. here's why Eddie Villanueva's little Church is 2nd largest church in Philippines - Romy Espanol II on May 25, 2013, 3:35 AM
                2. Re: I visited the Philippines 16 times in the last six years, 3 to 6 weeks at every visit. - Romy Espanol II on May 25, 2013, 3:19 AM
                  1. Why do so many Catholic Philippines die in those natural disasters? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 28, 2013, 8:07 AM
                    1. you seem to not like Catholics. well, to each his own - Romy Espanol II on May 28, 2013, 8:20 AM
                      1. Romy, please don't assume anything! I like Catholics, especially your new pope Francis. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 4:06 AM
                      2. Herr Guenter, you also make Assumptions - Romy Espanol II on May 29, 2013, 7:02 AM
                      3. Dear Romy, I asked a question. Questions are not assumptions. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 8:52 AM
                3. Guenter, in what city did you go in the Philippines? - Jim on May 25, 2013, 3:31 PM
                  1. To be honest, I don't remember them all. But of course Manila, Cavite, Baguio. we were in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 10:02 PM
                    1. Thanks my man! - Jim on May 27, 2013, 8:00 PM
                      1. Jim, you're welcome. Secondly, I never lied here. If you disagree with my facts, that does - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 28, 2013, 8:04 AM
                      2. Okay, You are so innocent.... - Jim on May 28, 2013, 5:34 PM
                      3. Why are you so negative? Why would I lie here? And about what? I have told a few lies in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 4:11 AM
                      4. I know! - Jim on May 29, 2013, 5:06 AM
                      5. Finally a good answer, my friend. Thanks! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 8:53 AM
      3. Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 12:50 AM
        1. Your accusation is a lie and has no credibility. Why would we believe you. - emmanuel on Apr 18, 2013, 3:04 AM
          1. Emmanuel, unfortunately it's not a lie. The appelate court's determination was never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 1:13 PM
          2. Emmanuel, your fake angel was a rapist and sex offender, why do you follow him? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
        2. A lie? Phil. Court of Appeals decision on Felix Manalo. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 4:45 PM
          1. Let us analyze this with an open mind! - Jim on Apr 18, 2013, 10:59 PM
            1. Re: Let us analyze this with an open mind! - karlos on Apr 27, 2013, 8:09 PM
            2. Jim, laughable argument again. 97% of all rapists walk free. I also gave you as comparison - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 1:08 PM
          2. Re: A lie? Phil. Court of Appeals decision on Felix Manalo. - beatrice too on Apr 28, 2013, 6:53 AM
        3. That's an extraordinary crime! - Jim on Apr 18, 2013, 10:38 PM
          1. At least they are now going after those pedophile priests. INC doesn't have that kind - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 1:18 PM
        4. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:18 PM
      4. Emmanuel, it's a pattern with founders of man-made churches. They are of low morals. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 6:14 AM
        1. If the accusation is true, why did she return to INC and died as Deaconess? - emmanuel on Apr 19, 2013, 8:14 AM
        2. If the accusation is true, why did she not sue him? - emmanuel on Apr 19, 2013, 8:19 AM
        3. Emmanuel, you obviously don't know the story. It's Felix Manalo who sued Rosita Trillanes - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 21, 2013, 4:40 PM
          1. I'm not gullible to believe the impossible lies. - emmanuel on Apr 22, 2013, 8:59 AM
        4. I can see that you worship the Manalos too, don't you Emmanuel? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 23, 2013, 1:23 AM
    4. 2,000 of Muntinglupa prisoners are Iglesia ni Cristo members. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 1:02 AM
      1. You are the funniest comediane of all the evil in this world. - Jim on Apr 18, 2013, 10:29 PM
    5. Even Erano Manalo condemns INC workers as liars! Almost all are corrupt. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 11:34 PM
      1. Emmanuel, your own Erano Manalo accused almost all INC workers for being corrupt. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 18, 2013, 11:39 PM
        1. You are using Eli Sorianus mangled tape now Dino? - Jim on Apr 19, 2013, 5:08 AM
          1. Re: You are using Eli Sorianus mangled tape now Dino? - karlos on Apr 27, 2013, 8:21 PM
      2. Manalo and wife worshipping Jim is trying to divert issue. Emmanuel, are you willing to go - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 19, 2013, 6:48 AM
        1. You are good in accusation. - emmanuel on Apr 19, 2013, 9:09 AM
          1. Re: You are good in accusation. - karlos on Apr 27, 2013, 8:25 PM
        2. The stone and wood worshipping Deano can't handle the truth! - jim on Apr 20, 2013, 4:38 AM
          1. Re: The stone and wood worshipping Deano can't handle the truth! - karlos on Apr 27, 2013, 8:23 PM
      3. Emmanuel, these are no my accusations. It's Erano Manalo who is accusing INC workers - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 20, 2013, 5:34 AM
      4. Emmanuel, was Erano Manalo telling the truth or was he lying? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 21, 2013, 8:27 AM
        1. Re: Emmanuel, was Erano Manalo telling the truth or was he lying? - karlos on May 4, 2013, 8:34 PM
    6. Regardless of whether FYM was saved, he did not prophesy falsely. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2013, 12:22 PM
    7. How can Felix Manalo be saved? He's a false prophet. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 20, 2013, 8:47 AM
      1. Check the verse 22 again, "if the thing follow not, - Tomas on Apr 26, 2013, 1:14 PM
        1. Hi Tomas, how are you? Didn't FYM claim he founded the INC exactly in 1913 because the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:28 AM
          1. So he misinterpreted the Bible, but he did not claim - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:24 AM
            1. So, FYM's and Miller's statements were not predictions of the future? And FYM didn't claim - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 7:33 AM
              1. They did not claim new revelation, they just misinterpreted - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 10:06 PM
                1. Oh? FYM never said God called him? Where have you been? Same false prophet as your sad - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 18, 2013, 1:36 PM
                  1. That's news to me. What evidence do you have - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 4:57 PM
                    1. There are other sources, but here is one by INC itself , so it can't be tainted. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:50 PM
                      1. The web site says God called him, but it does not say - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 7:54 PM
                      2. Oh well, God doesn't call angels that lie on purpose, become sex offenders while they are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 7:04 PM
                      3. If he raped after he was saved, then I guess he lost his salvation, and later - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 5:54 PM
                      4. TTTooomaaassss...!! Using the ONLY Bible translation of many hundred or so, that has - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 3:31 PM
                      5. FYM did not use that many translations. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:53 PM
                      6. First of all grammatically MIZRAH never means "far east". So, that's the first indication - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 8:26 PM
                      7. Verse 6 says 'from far'. So the context indicates far east, far west, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:31 AM
                      8. As I said, if there was a church prophesied, it was the catholic, the universal church. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:40 PM
                      9. You can call the church universal, but it is not a biblical - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 6:23 PM
      2. I have to agree with Tomas, intentionally misinterpreting the Bible is not a false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:34 AM
        1. Why do you think FYM intentionally misinterpreted - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:28 AM
          1. God has mercy with all sinners. I'm not saying FYM will not be saved. He may or he may not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 7:45 AM
            1. His main error here was believing that only the INC is the Church. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 10:17 PM
              1. You can't tell me that FYM was too stupid to know grammar and accidentallly - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 18, 2013, 1:48 PM
                1. You misunderstand 1 Cor. 7:14, but I am not calling you stupid. - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 5:35 PM
                  1. As usual, you missed the point. I said, FYM CANNOT be as stupid. And you're accusing me - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 8:31 PM
                    1. OK, sorry, Guenter, you did not call him stupid. - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 8:04 PM
                      1. You're missing the point again. FYM intentionally tells his followers lies about the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 5, 2013, 7:29 PM
                      2. The fact is that the present tense is sometimes used with future meaning. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:18 PM
                      3. Tomas, give it up. You're even contradicting yourself. I have seen you talk differently - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 2:16 PM
                      4. I know they are wrong about the other sheep, but I can see - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 2:14 PM
                      5. Tomas, I am losing the little respect I had for you now totally. The use of Moffatt is not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2013, 6:32 PM
                      6. Regardless if you are losing respect for me, I still respect you. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:44 AM
                      7. I am now sure, you will not be saved. NOBODY "invented" the concept of trinity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:48 PM
                      8. I have read that the early Catholic church did not teach - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 6:35 PM
                      9. I don't know what you have read, but the Catholic Church, that started with the Apostles, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 29, 2013, 8:10 AM
                      10. You tell me to concentrate on the Bible, but you yourself claim - Tomas on Jul 5, 2013, 5:53 PM
                  2. Tomas, there is no second chance after death. - Dean O'Gowan on May 26, 2013, 7:29 PM
                    1. Sorry, you misunderstand these verses. - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 8:41 PM
    8. Re: Felix Manalo is one of the false prophets Jesus warned us about. What is a false prophet? - beatrice too on Apr 28, 2013, 6:53 AM
    9. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:17 PM
      1. False angels like Felix Y. Manalo? Please read the following entirely! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2013, 3:42 AM
     
  5. German cardinal says we need more German babies, not 3rd world immigrants. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 5:22 PM
    1. I don't mind 3rd world immigrants who are Christian. - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 5:51 PM
      1. Sounds to me like Hitler's "pure race". Y'all are racists of the worst kind. May God help - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 6:51 PM
        1. What's like pure race when I want black Christian immigrants, - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 6:15 PM
        2. Guenter, I love Muslims, but far away. I don't want them - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 6:33 PM
        3. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:09 PM
    2. Are you not aware of the 9/11 at the World Trade Center, the massacre at Ft. Hood, the - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 6:59 PM
      1. Yes, you are a racist when you're judging an entire religion by a minority extremists. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 25, 2013, 1:58 AM
      2. Guenter, please let a survivor of Sharia law tell you what Islam does to young men. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 5:59 AM
        1. Yes, Jesus taught love for enemies. Why don't you love Muslims? You're not following the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 10:25 PM
        2. Where the NAZIS baptized Christians too? Therefore by your definition it's a Christian - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 2:35 AM
        3. Christian Filipino workers in Saudi are forced to convert to Islam. Guenter loves it. - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 9:01 AM
        4. Guenter teaches to love Muslims, even they who raped German girls. - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 11:05 AM
          1. Jesus is teaching that. Keep on opposing Him. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 3:43 AM
          2. Going by your argument, you must hate Christians a lot. Like American Christians, having - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 9:27 AM
          3. OK, the Nazis killed about 6 million Jews and 3 million Catholics. So you love the Nazis - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 7:34 PM
            1. With your attitude, you're losing all credibility. Sorry, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 30, 2013, 8:24 AM
          4. Guenter loves all enemies, the Nazis, communists, Muslims, except Pope Leo X - Dean O'Gowan on May 30, 2013, 7:40 AM
            1. We should love Muslims, but I agree with you that I don't - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 6:18 PM
            2. In all honesty, you don't do yourself and your beloved RCC any favor by spreading lies - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 6:24 PM
              1. Good that you love Leo X too. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:59 PM
                1. Why should Pope Leo X not be saved? He took money from the sale of indulgence to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 12:43 PM
                  1. Did he confess the sale of indulgences? - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:37 PM
                    1. Yes, we don't know. Again, why should he not be saved? Are there enough indications that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 2013, 8:12 PM
                      1. Maybe he died saved, or maybe he will be saved - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 5:02 PM
            3. Tomas, what makes you think Guenter loves Pope Leo X? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 9:13 AM
              1. Because he knows, I am a Christian. *Smile* - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 3:34 PM
              2. Dean, Luther did not sin by breaking his vow of celibacy. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:43 PM
                1. One of the few agreements I have with you, Tomas. But you said that Luther was rightfully - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 8:52 PM
                  1. So if he included it in an appendix, just like the Apocryphal books, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:32 PM
                    1. LOL, you're the one who decides if Luther is saved or not. Yes, Sir, Lord, God Tomas! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:19 PM
                      1. I can't judge whether he was ever saved, all I can say - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 5:07 PM
                      2. Luther did doubt Revelations, like so many other very faithful Christians before him. It - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 29, 2013, 8:30 AM
                      3. Rev. 22:18-19 is not a maybe statement. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2013, 5:47 PM
        5. Churchill on Islam - Dean O'Gowan on May 28, 2013, 7:00 PM
      3. Here's how Muslims are viewed in the West. Enjoy! - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 12:44 PM
    3. Even if you are not Catholic, this is an eye-opening. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 3:14 PM
    4. Germany will become Islamic State, says Merkel - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 3, 2013, 2:51 AM
     
  6. Increasing number of Lutherans are coming into the Catholic Church. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:17 AM
    1. Lutherans Becoming Catholic. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:20 AM
    2. Lutheran Convert: Nicole Motsch-DeMille - Why I'm Catholic - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:23 AM
    3. Two Lutheran Pastors (from Dresden) Have Become Catholic - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:26 AM
    4. Don't forget to turn off the lights. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:28 AM
    5. Nobody is interested in your divisive ideology. You're talking to yourself here. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 10:07 PM
    6. New Light on Martin Luther - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 3:13 AM
    7. Did not Pope Leo X sell indulgences in Germany to get money for St. Peter's? - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 5:43 AM
      1. Nobody ever said Leo X sold indulgence himself. But he gladly took the money from those - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 9:37 AM
    8. Here are the reasons why Martin Luther was excommunicated: - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 4:28 PM
      1. Luther deserved excommunication only for disliking the book - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 6:40 PM
        1. Tomas, early church fathers weren't sure about the book of Revelation (and others) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 9:58 AM
          1. Some early church 'fathers' accepted the book as scripture. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 11:58 AM
            1. Well, you're wrong. No pope excommunicated them. It was understood that the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 2013, 7:54 PM
              1. The popes did not know what is needed for excommunication. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 5:18 PM
    9. Luther rejected not only the Revelation but also the Deuterocanon and 7 NT books. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 2, 2013, 1:32 AM
      1. Did all the early fathers of the church, who doubted those books as well, also get - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 8:35 AM
      2. Which early fathers doubted? Jerome disagreed, but he submitted to the decision of - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 3, 2013, 6:42 PM
        1. Don't you know how many church councils ratified ( by majority vote) - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 9:44 PM
      3. Dean, it is true that Luther doubted or rejected also other NT books, but - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:22 PM
      4. I fail to see your point. The Church's bishops vote and the majority wins. But the pope is - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 11:10 PM
        1. My point is, that early church fathers had doubts on some canons of the NT, including - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2013, 6:06 AM
        2. Which early church fathers had doubts about the canon of the bible? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 9, 2013, 4:25 PM
          1. If it wasn't a pope, well then I'm sorry. But nonetheless, Popes agreed with that name - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2013, 6:33 PM
          2. Sorry, I forgot about the early church fathers that had doubts. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2013, 6:41 PM
        3. There are no early church fathers who disagreed with the pope. It's only your speculation. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 9, 2013, 7:52 PM
          1. Why are you lying? The RCC Bible has 5 books of the Orthodox Bible removed. Go home and do - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 9:37 AM
        4. Guenter, let an Orthodox bishop educate you. There is no substantial difference between - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 10, 2013, 11:25 AM
          1. You're misunderstanding the good Father.And you don't seem to know what a Bible is. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 2:41 PM
        5. Guenter, you are not an Orthodox bishop or even an Orthodox priest. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 10, 2013, 8:38 PM
          1. I'm not an orthodox bishop, but I'm a member of the orthodox church. We don't exclude any - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 6:32 AM
            1. You Orthodox don't even agree with each other which books - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 12:07 PM
              1. Yes, Sir, Lord, God Tomas. YOU are the one who can decide that. What would we do - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 2013, 8:08 PM
                1. The consensus of the best Christian Bible scholars - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 5:36 PM
        6. Guenter, you are funny, You lecture me on the bible and you didn't know - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 11, 2013, 9:59 AM
          1. Dear friend, I never said the RCC did remove books from the Orthodox Bible. The RCC has no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 12:07 PM
          2. What also said was, that the RCC Bible has five books of the Orthodox - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 12:43 PM
            1. I have read that some Orthodox agree with Protestants in having 66 - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 12:12 PM
     
  7. RES denied Paul claimed DIVINITY OF CHRIST in Galatians 1:1. How wrong RES is! View Thread - csdr on Jul 3, 2003, 11:35 PM
    1. bump - csdr on Jul 4, 2003, 6:17 AM
    2. CSDR ARE SHOUTING FOR HELP...WHAT A PITY LOL - RES on Jul 4, 2003, 8:08 AM
      1. LOL! Stop imitating my expression. So where is your rebuttal? - csdr on Jul 4, 2003, 10:34 PM
      2. RES, your post contains NO REBUTAL of my position regarding Gal. 1:1. - csdr on Jul 4, 2003, 11:15 PM
        1. csdr was badly beaten inside the ring..so hes taking this debate in public - RES on Jul 6, 2003, 10:39 AM
          1. so, is this your reply? - csdr on Jul 6, 2003, 2:46 PM
          2. RES, don't run from me. Where is your rebutal? - csdr on Jul 6, 2003, 7:57 PM
            1. ITS INSIDE THE RING(THREAD).GO BACK THERE AND FACE HUMILIATION - RES on Jul 6, 2003, 8:30 PM
              1. Better in this thread so that ALL will know who will be HUMILIATED. - csdr on Jul 6, 2003, 8:52 PM
      3. Gal 1: 1 isn't denying the Son's humanity. - Kristian on Jul 10, 2003, 9:34 AM
    3. RES, be man enough to give your rebutal to my conclusion about this verse. - csdr on Jul 6, 2003, 9:39 PM
    4. ...and still no rebuttal from RES. - csdr on Jul 9, 2003, 5:53 AM
    5. Your silence speaks tons. - csdr on Jul 10, 2003, 7:28 AM
    6. Your silence speaks TOTAL DEFEAT. Be man enough to admit it! - csdr on Jul 12, 2003, 9:51 PM
    7. RES, what happened to you? to your arrogance? to your braggadocio?? - csdr on Jul 14, 2003, 12:50 AM
    8. CSDR HOW OLD ARE YA? YOU SOUND LIKE A KID TO ME.. - RES on Jul 14, 2003, 12:58 PM
      1. RES, losing your temper is sure sign of DEFEAT IN A DEBATE! - csdr on Jul 16, 2003, 1:22 AM
        1. Remember what Socrates says. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jul 16, 2003, 4:37 AM
          1. Voice, you hit it on the head. - csdr on Jul 17, 2003, 3:50 AM
      2. What does the Father tell the Son? - VoiceintheWilderness on Jul 16, 2003, 4:16 AM
    9. RES finally LOST on this issue for failure to rebut. - csdr on Jul 18, 2003, 10:39 PM
    10. STILL NO REBUTTAL FROM RES. - csdr on Jul 20, 2003, 8:44 AM
      1. Re: STILL NO REBUTTAL FROM RES. - RES on Jul 20, 2003, 10:03 AM
        1. Same reply which was already beaten and replied to. - csdr on Jul 20, 2003, 8:39 PM
    11. Re Galatians 1:1 - Wayne on Jun 19, 2013, 3:07 AM
      1. Gal. 1:1 does prove that Jesus was not a man when he sent - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 11:05 AM
        1. Christ's authority to send his Apostles came from God - Wayne on Jun 22, 2013, 5:30 PM
          1. But read the continuation of the verse. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:54 PM
        2. Wayne, the bible calls Jesus the only begotten son of God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:53 PM
        3. Wayne, the bible calls Jesus the only begotten son of God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:53 PM
      2. Wayne, when did Jesus get this authority? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2013, 8:16 PM
      3. Wayne, don't children inherit all rights, privileges and properties of their parents? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 4:09 AM
      4. Wayne, don't children inherit all rights, privileges and properties of their parents? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:54 PM
        1. Jesus' father did not die, so Jesus did not inherit anything - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:59 PM
      5. Wayne, the bible calls Jesus the only begotten son of God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:57 PM
     
  8. What you must do to be saved View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2013, 9:25 PM
    1. That is much better than the usual Catholic doctrine, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:48 PM
     
  9. List of Catholic popes. Is there a list of Orthodox Patriarchs? Who heads Orthodox Church View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2013, 9:32 PM
    1. The patriarch of Constantinople is the honorary leader - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:36 PM
    2. And the Oriental Orthodox Church does not have one leader, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:40 PM
     
  10. The Role of Indulgences in the Building of New St. Peter's Basilica View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 31, 2013, 6:44 AM
    1. Did you really read this? I'm only quoting one sentence that will blow your mind: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 10:12 AM
      1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:08 PM
    2. Guenter is cherry picking. Did you also read what the author said? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 12:22 PM
      1. I told you, I only read part of it, I may not have time for a while to read everything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 9:06 PM
      2. I finally read the scholarly work you wanted to confront me with. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2013, 11:36 AM
      3. Are you too shocked to refute YOUR author? Or is it just hurting you too much? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 6:36 AM
      4. Guenter is getting desperate. Be reminded that we never claim all popes were saints. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 11, 2013, 7:25 AM
        1. Hallelujah, you're finally admitting that Luther had good reasons to request reforms. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 7:55 AM
      5. Guenter is hallucinating. Behaving just like INC Jim? What author are you talking about? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 11, 2013, 9:23 AM
        1. You didn't even read the link you gave me to defend the the sale of indulgence? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 12:31 PM
    3. Here is another account from a strictly Catholic source that the greed of your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 11, 2013, 1:07 PM
    4. Let's add to your dossier on Pope Leo X. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 10:41 AM
      1. So, God permitted other popes to make the Vatican a whore house? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 12:52 PM
      2. Ooooops, I almost overlooked another lie of yours. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 1:00 PM
    5. For somebody who loves enemies like Islam, you call yourself a Christian who calls the - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 3:15 PM
      1. I'm through with you, you're a liar. I never said anyone turned the church into a whore. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 5:29 PM
    6. Everyone can see your post above. "So, God permitted other popes to make the Vatican a - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 12, 2013, 5:38 PM
      1. The Vatican is not the church, you idiot. The Vatican is the the residence of the Pope. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 8:30 PM
      2. They made one of my words ***********. Let's see if this works: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 12, 2013, 8:34 PM
        1. It depends on whether the popes paid the women. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 11:45 AM
          1. Comon, Tomas, what did those women live of in the Vatican? Cleaning house, doing the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2013, 8:55 PM
            1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 2013, 9:12 PM
              1. We are not infallible, but we are Christian. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:26 PM
                1. You're missing the point again, Tomas. The RCC was so rotten - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 2013, 7:39 PM
                  1. But I don't disagree with you that reform was needed. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:23 PM
            2. Yes, Guenter, the women could have been paid to clean the palace, - Tomas on Jun 21, 2013, 12:25 PM
              1. You missed the point, as usual. The Vatican was used to fulfill some popes sexual - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 21, 2013, 5:28 PM
                1. I don't support having concubines, but concubines are - Tomas on Jun 28, 2013, 4:33 PM
            3. Guenter accuses Popes John Paul II, Benedict XVI and Francis of fornicating with the - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 10:10 AM
              1. Dean, you're a sad example of a human being. I never said that. It were popes that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 24, 2013, 4:43 PM
            4. So which of the 260 popes were using the Vatican as a whorehouse? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2013, 5:41 PM
              1. You're not even reading your own sources. You gave me the following link: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2013, 6:05 AM
              2. None of the links state that a pope or popes used the Vatican as a whorehouse. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 26, 2013, 7:23 AM
                1. Are you only pretending to be dumb or are you dumb? Having concubines, fu**** them in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 27, 2013, 8:10 PM
     
 
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