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  1. FEAR and LOVE. To INCquisitor. Others are welcome. View Thread - Michael on Jul 21, 2016, 11:54 PM
    1. We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:43 PM
      1. Re: We are all commanded to fear God. Even if we are saved, because we could lose - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:25 AM
        1. Yes, we can lose salvation. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:27 PM
          1. Re: Yes, we can lose salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:36 AM
            1. One has to be careful not to jump to conclusions. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:49 PM
              1. What jumping into conclusions are you talking about? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:43 AM
                1. You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:44 PM
                  1. Re: You should realize we are all commanded to fear God. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:51 PM
                    1. There is no fear in love, but it has to be interpreted. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:19 PM
                      1. Finally, you believe in scriptures and accept that there is no fear in love. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:37 AM
                      2. Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:48 PM
                      3. Re: Certainly I believe in all the scriptures, I have believed for a number of years already. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:10 AM
                      4. We are not perfect yet. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:30 PM
                      5. That what you bleiev and say, contrary to what scriptures say. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      6. Can any human be without any fears? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      7. Re: Can any human be without any fears? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:29 AM
                      8. Your focus does not seem to work. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:33 PM
                      9. Re: Your focus does not seem to work. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:20 AM
                      10. What does it mean? - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:33 PM
                      11. Re: What does it mean? - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 10:55 PM
                      12. Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      13. Re: Has anyone been made perfect in love? - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 2:46 AM
                      14. Does anyone not fear? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      15. Re: Does anyone not fear? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 3:43 AM
                      16. Fear and perfect love. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 8:38 PM
                      17. Re: Fear and perfect love. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 8:25 AM
                      18. So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:35 PM
                      19. Re: So what fear do you think is spoken of there? - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:01 AM
                      20. So do you mean simply fear of God? - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 3:16 AM
                      21. Re: So do you mean simply fear of God? - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 3:41 AM
                      22. Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 1:44 AM
                      23. Re: Sure I study the passage, and you study the passage. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:53 PM
                      24. Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:26 PM
                      25. Re: Yes, God's love has been perfected among us. So do you agree? - Michael on Dec 17, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      26. I see you still disagree. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:23 PM
                      27. Re: I see you still disagree. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 2:48 AM
                      28. about fear. - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:47 PM
                      29. Re: about fear. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 8:28 AM
                      30. Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Tomas on Jan 14, 2017, 9:34 PM
                      31. Re: Clearly there is bad fear and good fear. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:26 AM
                      32. Good fear. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:09 PM
                      33. Re: Good fear. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:21 AM
                      34. Worldly fear. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:32 PM
                      35. Re: Worldly fear. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:20 AM
                      36. OK, you say Nothing more. So this has ended. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:49 PM
     
  2. Have nothing to do with such people. View Thread - Michael on Oct 28, 2015, 11:41 PM
    1. Of course having nothing to do with such evil people, does not mean not bringing them - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:15 AM
      1. They are always learning, yet never able to come to the knowledge of the truth - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:06 PM
        1. This is about what the situation will be in the last days, see verses 1-2. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 10:37 AM
          1. Have nothing to do with such people, was Paul's admonition - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 2:34 AM
            1. I agree with you basically in everything. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 5:42 PM
              1. Re: I agree with you basically in everything. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 12:15 AM
                1. I don't know if Felix Manalo became saved, or lost his salvation, and maybe regained - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:44 PM
                  1. Not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:05 AM
                    1. OK, what issue would you prefer to discuss instead? - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:50 PM
                      1. Do you say FYM is a false teacher or prophet or messenger? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:14 AM
                      2. FYM did not call himself a prophet, so I can't call him a false prophet. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:54 PM
                      3. I respect your view Tomas. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      4. FYM wrongly interpreted some prophecies, so he wrongly concluded that - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      5. Did you tell that to the INC? - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 10:33 AM
                      6. I have tried to talk to INC members, when they ever appear on the other forum, - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 1:13 AM
                      7. So what do you call FYM? A false what? - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 2:15 AM
                      8. A false last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:10 PM
                      9. Who do you believe is the last messenger that God have sent? - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:45 PM
                      10. The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      11. Re: The Bible does not call anyone the last messenger of God. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 6:38 AM
                      12. Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      13. Re: Christ is not the only one sent by God. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 10:37 PM
                      14. But then we would not know who is sent. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      15. Re: But then we would not know who is sent. - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 11:01 PM
                      16. Of course the apostles were among those we know were saved. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:42 PM
                      17. Re: Of course the apostles were among those we know were saved. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 1:41 AM
                      18. So you think that Paul meant only the apostles were sent? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:32 PM
                      19. Re: So you think that Paul meant only the apostles were sent? - Michael on Oct 25, 2016, 3:04 AM
                      20. About the apostles, and those who preach. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 9:36 PM
                      21. Re: About the apostles, and those who preach. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 6:00 AM
                      22. Are you claiming that there was a temporary ban on anyone but apostles preaching? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:57 PM
                      23. Re: Are you claiming that there was a temporary ban on anyone but apostles preaching? - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 5:19 AM
                      24. Now I see what you mean. My answer below. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 2:28 AM
                      25. Re: Now I see what you mean. My answer below. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      26. Maybe I am still unsure what you mean. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:51 PM
                      27. Re: Maybe I am still unsure what you mean. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 1:44 AM
                      28. About the preachers. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:18 PM
                      29. Re: About the preachers. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 2:54 AM
                      30. preachers of the gospel - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      31. Re: preachers of the gospel - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:36 AM
                      32. about the preachers of the gospel. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 10:06 PM
                      33. Re: about the preachers of the gospel. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:38 AM
                      34. Yes, they were sent differently from us. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:25 PM
                      35. Re: Yes, they were sent differently from us. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 4:24 AM
                      36. OK, so you have ended the discussion. So it is done. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:48 PM
     
  3. INCquisitor, is the Son of God, Jesus Christ, a false God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 3, 2015, 9:50 AM
    1. Jesus is a FALSE God to people who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 4, 2015, 4:05 AM
      1. Do you know of anyone mentioned in scriptures said to believe that Jesus Christ is God? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 3:47 AM
        1. Scriptures do not speak of trinity nor Trinitarians who believe that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 5:20 AM
          1. Scriptures don't speak of binitarians or modalists who believed Christ is God, but - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 6:18 AM
            1. And Tomas, are you still immersed in possibilities, and not in truth? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 10:15 AM
              1. In truth revealed in the Bible, and in possibilities where truth is not revealed. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                1. That's right. In possibilities, not truths. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 7:46 PM
                  1. I believe in all the truths revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:51 AM
                    1. That's good Tomas. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 7:09 PM
                      1. Can we know who the Son is? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
                      2. I don't know about you. Peter did. And I, and many others do. - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      3. Peter did not know if the Son is God. Neither do you, even though you think you know. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 9:22 PM
                      4. What you asked was this "Can we know WHO the Son is?" - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 5:48 AM
                      5. We don't know who the Son is ultimately. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 12:32 AM
                      6. You and many others perhaps, but not the children of God. - Michael on Jan 4, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      7. Neither do we, the children of God, know. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 6:55 AM
                      8. Only to you Tomas, not to me. - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 7:31 AM
                      9. You think you know, but you are misguided in this. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:40 PM
                      10. I am not Tomas. Scriptures is my guide. You are. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 3:59 AM
                      11. You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:18 AM
                      12. Re: You are Michael. As for me, scriptures are my guide too. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 8:50 AM
                      13. Yes, and scriptures guide us to lots of truths. But of course not all truth. Some truths - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 5:07 PM
                      14. The OT (some truths) were for sometime with the Israelites, yet still have not seen some.. - Michael on May 18, 2016, 10:01 AM
                      15. There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 5:38 PM
                      16. Re: There are lots of truths still not known to any of us. And we will never be omniscient. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 11:44 AM
                      17. About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 1:55 PM
                      18. Re: About Jewish elders misunderstanding the OT, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 3, 2016, 10:29 AM
                      19. About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 12:28 PM
                      20. Re: About Jews not seeing some things revealed, and other issues. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 2:33 PM
                      21. About the various issues. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 6:29 PM
                      22. Re: About the various issues. - Michael on Jun 5, 2016, 10:16 AM
                      23. About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 5:36 PM
                      24. Re: About whether the Word is God or not, him being a god, taking away the sin of the world. - Michael on Jun 12, 2016, 10:07 AM
                      25. More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 2:47 AM
                      26. Re: More about whether the Word is God, about him being a god, taking away the sin of the worl - Michael on Jun 19, 2016, 7:49 AM
                      27. Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:46 PM
                      28. Re: Can any of us know whether Jesus is God? I say no. - Michael on Jun 26, 2016, 3:06 AM
                      29. We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:25 PM
                      30. Re: We can know only what is revealed about Jesus. - Michael on Jul 14, 2016, 12:15 PM
                      31. You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      32. Re: You feel so sure, you don't even recognize you could be wrong. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 1:53 AM
                      33. You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 4:39 AM
                      34. Re: You still feel totally sure about it, and that is incorrect. - Michael on Jul 27, 2016, 10:20 AM
                      35. Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Tomas on Jul 30, 2016, 5:59 PM
                      36. Re: Don't you see? Only one of the two is called God. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 5:42 AM
                      37. It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:04 PM
                      38. Re: It hints that maybe only one of the 2 is God. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 3:29 AM
                      39. It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:58 PM
                      40. Re: It is clear that maybe only one of them is God. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 7:57 AM
                      41. The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:06 PM
                      42. Re: The opinion of the common man can be wrong. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:30 AM
                      43. What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:43 PM
                      44. Re: What some people naturally think, and about gods. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      45. About true gods. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 9:12 PM
                      46. Re: About true gods. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 7:15 AM
                      47. The footnote is not inerrant. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:11 PM
                      48. Re: The footnote is not inerrant. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:08 AM
                      49. Judges as gods. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:14 PM
                      50. Re: Judges as gods. - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 11:58 PM
                      51. Judges and others as gods. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:31 PM
                      52. Re: Judges and others as gods. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 3:10 AM
                      53. who are gods? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 7:55 PM
                      54. Re: who are gods? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 4:06 AM
                      55. Christ simply explained what it means to be true gods. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 8:18 PM
                      56. Re: Christ simply explained what it means to be true gods. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 8:56 AM
                      57. Yes, he did. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      58. Re: Yes, he did. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 3:53 AM
                      59. About gods. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 1:45 AM
                      60. Re: About gods. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 7:30 PM
                      61. About being only-begotten, and about gods. - Tomas on Dec 18, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      62. Re: About being only-begotten, and about gods. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 5:08 AM
                      63. About John 3:16 and about gods. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 10:53 PM
                      64. Re: About John 3:16 and about gods. - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 11:22 AM
                      65. John 3:16, gods - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 9:59 PM
                      66. Re: John 3:16, gods - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:47 AM
                      67. John 3:16 - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 9:53 PM
                      68. Re: John 3:16 - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 2:53 AM
                      69. 'so' in John 3:16. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:15 PM
                      70. Re: 'so' in John 3:16. - Michael on Feb 13, 2017, 5:07 AM
                      71. Blessing and love, towards Adam and Eve. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:41 PM
            2. He who has not heard Jesus or has, but does not believe in him is condemned. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 2:02 PM
              1. Sure we have to believe in Jesus. But believing he is not God or is God is irrelevant for - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 2:25 PM
                1. What you say leads others to fall into the ditch. - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:31 AM
                  1. Not true at all. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 8:04 AM
                    1. It's impossible to discuss intelligently with you! - INcquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 11:13 AM
                      1. You sure give up discussions easily. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:16 PM
                      2. You don't answer rationally, that's why. - INCquisitor on Dec 19, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      3. Are you accusing trinitarians, binitarians, modalists, of also not answering rationally? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:38 AM
                      4. Aren't they? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 4:29 AM
                      5. No, it is a logical deduction, whether it happens to be truth or not. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 10:07 PM
                      6. Arguing WITHOUT considering ALL other facts is IRRATIONAL! - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:09 AM
                      7. from you! - Nom on Jan 29, 2016, 10:22 PM
                      8. Not from INCquisitor. Modalists had that belief, that Christ is the Father, already in the - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      9. My belief is based on what is written in the Todays' English Version of John 17:12. - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 8:29 AM
                      10. I haven't seen Nom here for a long time. So surely he won't answer you. But - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 11:58 PM
                      11. How come Jesus is called Jesus Christ, Christ or Christ Jesus? - INCquisitor on Jun 26, 2016, 9:01 AM
                      12. The word Christ comes from Greek Christos, which means anointed. - Tomas on Jul 2, 2016, 11:41 PM
          2. So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 9:53 AM
            1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 10:43 AM
              1. Re: So your answer to the question is NO, right? - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 8:23 PM
                1. To those who do not believe that Jesus is God, Jesus is not a false god. - INCquisitor on Dec 12, 2015, 1:18 PM
                  1. Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 11:03 AM
                    1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 16, 2015, 4:36 PM
                      1. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 16, 2015, 9:47 PM
                      2. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Dec 17, 2015, 5:59 PM
                      3. Re: Evading the rest of the discussion in the thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 9:47 AM
                      4. Who is the "another" Jesus that FALSE teachers preached (2 Cor. 11:3-4)? - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 7:45 PM
                      5. That's a good thing to study in Scriptures INCquisitor. Hope you would. - Michael on Dec 24, 2015, 2:45 AM
                      6. Nicene Creed: Jesus is God of God, who came down from heaven and was made man. - INCquisitor on Dec 24, 2015, 8:07 PM
                      7. Take issue on that with the RCC, INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 7:31 PM
                      8. Trinitarians say that Jesus "came as God and became man." Nicene Creed proves that. - INCquisitor on Jan 5, 2016, 6:08 AM
                      9. As I said, take issue on that with those who say that. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 8:22 AM
     
  4. Questions for Tomas. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:51 AM
    1. I would have thought such questions would make more sense when - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:42 AM
      1. It should make sense to all Tomas. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 7:37 AM
        1. Clearly we agree on most doctrines here. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:38 AM
          1. Re: Clearly we agree on most doctrines here. - Michael on Nov 20, 2016, 4:14 AM
            1. OK, I guess persuade is not the right word. - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 2:21 AM
              1. Re: OK, I guess persuade is not the right word. - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 4:36 AM
                1. Redemption is part of the good news. - Tomas on Dec 3, 2016, 10:58 PM
                  1. Re: Redemption is part of the good news. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 11:38 PM
                    1. Look at Mt. 11:28 again. - Tomas on Dec 17, 2016, 9:19 PM
                      1. Re: Look at Mt. 11:28 again. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 8:47 AM
                      2. Why not? - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 11:59 PM
                      3. Re: Why not? - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 5:59 AM
                      4. It is what each verse says, in light of what the rest of the Bible says. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 2:14 AM
                      5. Re: It is what each verse says, in light of what the rest of the Bible says. - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:34 AM
                      6. To understand each verse properly, foreknowledge has to be taken into account. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:47 AM
                      7. Re: To understand each verse properly, foreknowledge has to be taken into account. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:21 PM
                      8. About foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:42 PM
                      9. Re: About foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 5:22 AM
                      10. More about foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 12:00 AM
                      11. Re: More about foreknowledge, worship, luck. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 4:31 AM
                      12. More about foreknowledge and about worship. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 10:51 PM
                      13. Re: More about foreknowledge and about worship. - Michael on Feb 18, 2017, 11:30 PM
                      14. Foreknowledge and being called. And about worship. - Tomas on Feb 25, 2017, 9:21 PM
     
  5. To Tomas, INCqisitor, and all: Ephesians 1 View Thread - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 9:19 AM
    1. I guess it is not always obvious who is the 'he'. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 11:02 PM
      1. Re: I guess it is not always obvious who is the 'he'. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:08 AM
        1. Why Paul wrote it that way? - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:38 AM
          1. Re: Why Paul wrote it that way? - Michael on Jan 11, 2017, 5:38 AM
            1. We can't solve everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 12:30 AM
              1. Re: We can't solve everything in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 9:46 PM
                1. That's right. - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:46 PM
                  1. Re: That's right. - Michael on Jan 29, 2017, 4:54 AM
                    1. OK, I will do my best in answering your new questions. - Tomas on Feb 5, 2017, 12:19 AM
                      1. Re: OK, I will do my best in answering your new questions. - Michael on Feb 5, 2017, 3:42 AM
                      2. Answering the 2 new questions. - Tomas on Feb 12, 2017, 11:06 PM
     
  6. Nobody else here but INCquisitor, Michael and Tomas? Don't you have anything better to do View Thread - Guenter (EX_INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 2017, 5:01 PM
    1. Truth NEVER changes Guenter, didn't you lmow that? - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 2017, 2:44 PM
      1. Truth never changes, but since none of us are infallible, then you too should be learning - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 10:43 PM
    2. Guenter, since you claim we have not learned anything new, what have you learned - Tomas on Feb 4, 2017, 10:41 PM
     
  7. First-Century Church of Christ (Iglesia Ni Cristo ng Unang Siglo) View Thread - INCquisitor on Jul 16, 2016, 7:14 AM
    1. So far it would look Christian. But do you still believe in the heresy of two Christs? - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 7:20 PM
      1. There has ALWAYS been ONLY ONE Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 24, 2016, 9:38 AM
        1. So Jesus is the new Christ, according to you, replacing God in the role of being anointed - Tomas on Jul 24, 2016, 11:52 PM
          1. Apstle Paul teaches that the church is SUBJECT to Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 29, 2016, 4:30 PM
            1. Of course the church is subject to Christ, but Christ is subject to his Father. - Tomas on Jul 30, 2016, 2:34 PM
              1. To the true church, Christ is the ONLY Lord. - INCquisitor on Jan 12, 2017, 6:37 AM
                1. To the true church, the Father is Lord too. - Tomas on Jan 15, 2017, 1:27 AM
                  1. One Lord, not two Lords ~ the creator, God. - Michael on Jan 20, 2017, 8:36 PM
                    1. There are many lords mentioned in the Bible. But two are capitalized, the Father - Tomas on Jan 22, 2017, 11:49 PM
                      1. Tomas, open your eyes! - INCquisitor on Jan 25, 2017, 2:54 PM
                      2. Yes, the Father is the only true God, but this true God could include other persons. - Tomas on Jan 26, 2017, 10:17 PM
        2. Are you really being honest in what you say here INCquisitor? - Michael on Jul 27, 2016, 7:56 AM
          1. Yes. I am. - INCquisitor on Jul 31, 2016, 6:54 AM
            1. Let me then quote some of Jesus' words in scriptures. - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 11:08 AM
              1. Yes, I believe John 6:62 and Mt. 28:19. - INCquisitor on Jul 31, 2016, 3:34 PM
                1. If that's true and you are honest, then why did you doubt and trash these verses? - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 5:07 AM
    2. INCquisitor, when was FCCC started and who started it? - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 10:29 AM
      1. What you ask is IMMATERIAL and IRRELEVANT. - INCquisitor on Jul 24, 2016, 9:41 AM
        1. I simply ask about your FCCC church. Are such info secret to the people who ask? - Michael on Jul 26, 2016, 11:42 PM
          1. What is more relevant are your thoughts concerning these beliefs. - INCquisitor on Jul 29, 2016, 4:17 PM
            1. So you refuse to answer my simple request for relevant information about FCCC?? - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 3:32 AM
              1. The matters you are asking are not relevant to your salvation. - INCquisitor on Aug 28, 2016, 9:02 AM
                1. So you still refuse and still are ashamed to tell. Ok. - Michael on Aug 29, 2016, 9:30 PM
                  1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them." (Mt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 9:34 AM
                    1. Re: Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them." (Mt. 7:15-20). - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 11:26 AM
                      1. Re: Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them." (Mt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Sep 4, 2016, 9:23 AM
                      2. Re: Jesus said, "By their fruits you will know them." (Mt. 7:15-20). - Michael on Sep 5, 2016, 10:32 AM
     
  8. Repent, believe God, be saved! View Thread - Michael on Nov 26, 2016, 10:21 PM
    1. up - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 11:39 PM
    2. up - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:48 AM
     
  9. What is the IQ of an apple? View Thread - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 8:59 AM
    1. Re: What is the IQ of an apple? - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 6:45 PM
      1. So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 7:04 PM
        1. Re: So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - year2027 on Jan 16, 2016, 7:45 PM
        2. Re: So if you think plants have intelligence, preach the gospel to them. - year2027 on Jan 17, 2016, 5:32 AM
          1. Roy, perhaps you did. - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:41 PM
        3. Why Tomas, do you preach the gospel to animals? - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
          1. No, I was just reacting to his claim that plants have intelligence. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2016, 11:08 PM
            1. Consider this biblical passage concerning other created things which includes the plants - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 5:36 PM
              1. But the whole creation would include not only things like plants, but also - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 11:28 AM
                1. That's right, all creation, including everything. - Michael on Jan 31, 2016, 9:29 AM
                  1. Winds and sea don't consciously obey Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 31, 2016, 6:18 PM
                    1. As we currently understand it. - Michael on Feb 3, 2016, 3:34 AM
                      1. Intelligence of non-living objects would mean animism. - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 6:50 AM
                      2. Perhaps, 'intelligence' or 'awareness' different from what we understand today. - Michael on Feb 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
                      3. OK, I missed the earlier mention of waiting in verse 19. Anyway, it is not meant literally - Tomas on Feb 20, 2016, 8:03 PM
                      4. Literally or figuratively, either way, all creation waits, and - Michael on Feb 21, 2016, 6:47 PM
                      5. I understand it figuratively. There is no brain or nerves or anything like that in stones, - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 1:10 PM
                      6. I can see that. - Michael on Mar 1, 2016, 8:59 PM
                      7. Yes, that is what I believe. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 7:13 PM
                      8. Re: Yes, that is what I believe. - Michael on May 18, 2016, 9:52 PM
                      9. Being subjected to futility. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 4:39 PM
                      10. Re: Being subjected to futility. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 9:15 AM
                      11. What is all subjected to futility. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 10:12 AM
                      12. Re: What is all subjected to futility. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 10:48 AM
                      13. About the futility. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 4:54 PM
                      14. Re: About the futility. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 9:15 AM
                      15. My beliefs about the futility and why I disagree with you. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 5:42 PM
                      16. God never created something useless and without purpose - Michael on Jun 6, 2016, 12:13 PM
                      17. Yes, even dangerous viruses have some purpose, if only to make us ill or to kill us. - Tomas on Jun 11, 2016, 4:42 PM
                      18. Re: Yes, even dangerous viruses have some purpose, if only to make us ill or to kill us. - Michael on Jun 17, 2016, 7:48 AM
                      19. About futility, and about Adam and Eve not dying. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:08 AM
                      20. Re: About futility, and about Adam and Eve not dying. - Michael on Jun 23, 2016, 5:16 AM
                      21. About futility, about hope. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 9:49 PM
                      22. Re: About futility, about hope. - Michael on Jul 16, 2016, 1:47 AM
                      23. Then what do you mean by corruption? - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 8:30 PM
                      24. Decay - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 6:31 AM
                      25. About decay - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 11:47 PM
                      26. Re: About decay - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 4:51 AM
                      27. About decay. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:06 PM
                      28. Re: About decay. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:32 AM
                      29. More about decay. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 8:58 PM
                      30. Re: More about decay. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 8:46 AM
                      31. Decay, loss of salvation. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:38 PM
                      32. Re: Decay, loss of salvation. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:25 AM
                      33. Loss of salvation. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 6:02 PM
                      34. Re: Loss of salvation. - Michael on Sep 15, 2016, 9:34 PM
                      35. Loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 1:37 AM
                      36. Re: Loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 3:05 AM
                      37. about loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 1:21 AM
                      38. Re: about loss of salvation of those who live in sin. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 8:05 AM
                      39. Loss of salvation by living in sin. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 10:06 PM
                      40. Re: Loss of salvation by living in sin. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 2:17 AM
                      41. About loss of salvation by living in sin. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 8:41 PM
                      42. Re: About loss of salvation by living in sin. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 1:47 AM
                      43. about loss of salvation, and the possibility of regaining salvation. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 1:28 AM
                      44. Re: about loss of salvation, and the possibility of regaining salvation. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 5:48 AM
                      45. Loss of salvation, and regaining salvation. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 1:25 AM
                      46. Re: Loss of salvation, and regaining salvation. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 8:56 PM
                      47. About loss of salvation, regaining salvation. - Tomas on Dec 18, 2016, 1:32 AM
                      48. Re: About loss of salvation, regaining salvation. - Michael on Dec 18, 2016, 4:42 AM
                      49. about willfully sinning - Tomas on Dec 25, 2016, 11:04 PM
                      50. Re: about willfully sinning - Michael on Dec 31, 2016, 3:03 AM
                      51. sinning willfully - Tomas on Dec 31, 2016, 10:19 PM
                      52. End of discussion. - Michael on Jan 21, 2017, 2:42 AM
    2. Someday perhaps, scientist would find a way, if there is such thing as IQ for an apple. - Michael on Jan 19, 2016, 7:36 PM
      1. Re: Someday perhaps, scientist would find a way, if there is such thing as IQ for an apple. - year2027 on Jan 20, 2016, 5:25 PM
        1. Roy, read this biblical passage concerning other created things which includes the plants - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 5:46 PM
     
  10. What is your text analysis of 1 Peter 1:1? (Especially linguist Tomas) View Thread - Michael on Jul 23, 2016, 12:49 PM
    1. Yes, through the righteousness of both of them. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:29 PM
      1. Re: Yes, through the righteousness of both of them. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:36 AM
        1. It is in the genitive case. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:12 PM
          1. The question is, are they wrong and you are right? - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 9:10 PM
            1. Both translations are grammatically correct. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2016, 12:49 AM
              1. Re: Both translations are grammatically correct. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 2:34 AM
                1. My translation is more in harmony with the rest of the Bible. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 7:26 PM
                  1. Re: My translation is more in harmony with the rest of the Bible. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 1:35 AM
                    1. I guess you should study more about Greek grammar. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 11:37 PM
                      1. Re: I guess you should study more about Greek grammar. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 2:12 AM
                      2. It is your claim that Theou qualifies Iesou Christou. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:09 PM
                      3. Re: It is your claim that Theou qualifies Iesou Christou. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:54 AM
                      4. Sure, you have explained, but I disagree. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:42 PM
                      5. Re: Sure, you have explained, but I disagree. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:47 AM
                      6. Well, I disagree. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:17 PM
                      7. I can see that. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 12:51 AM
                      8. I did not say we can be both correct in our interpretation. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:36 PM
                      9. Re: I did not say we can be both correct in our interpretation. - Michael on Sep 20, 2016, 8:08 AM
                      10. Answer hidden in an ambiguous verse? Hard to believe. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:06 PM
                      11. Re: Answer hidden in an ambiguous verse? Hard to believe. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 8:20 PM
                      12. It is grammatically ambiguous. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:39 PM
                      13. Re: It is grammatically ambiguous. - Michael on Oct 20, 2016, 10:50 AM
                      14. Granville Sharp was of course not a native speaker of ancient Greek. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 9:12 PM
                      15. And neither you nor I are. The thing is they are Greek scholars. - Michael on Oct 22, 2016, 10:48 PM
                      16. They are Greek scholars, but they don't have access to native speakers. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 9:24 PM
                      17. Re: They are Greek scholars, but they don't have access to native speakers. - Michael on Oct 31, 2016, 12:19 AM
                      18. Exceptions to the rule. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 1:57 AM
                      19. Re: Exceptions to the rule. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 2:35 AM
                      20. Yes, I can cite the exceptions. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 2:16 AM
                      21. Re: Yes, I can cite the exceptions. - Michael on Dec 10, 2016, 7:03 PM
                      22. So the Grandville Sharp's rule is not valid. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2016, 3:18 AM
                      23. Re: So the Grandville Sharp's rule is not valid. - Michael on Dec 19, 2016, 5:49 AM
                      24. The rule is just not true. - Tomas on Dec 24, 2016, 9:34 PM
                      25. Re: The rule is just not true. - Michael on Jan 2, 2017, 6:19 AM
                      26. OK, so then you have ended it. - Tomas on Jan 8, 2017, 1:27 AM
    2. It's 2 Peter 1:1, not 1 Peter 1:1. My apologies. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:27 AM
      1. No problem. Everybody makes errors sometimes. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:14 PM
     
 
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