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  1. Jesus never commanded to teach only things in the bible. Only the Protestants invented View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 2013, 7:57 PM
    1. When Jesus was still on the earth, it was not yet time to teach only - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 6:18 PM
    2. Tomas, where did Jesus say that the commission of his church expires when - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 10:57 AM
      1. Jesus did not say it, God inspired Paul to write it. - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 9:06 PM
      2. Tomas, Jesus did not say it, neither did Paul. The Church has authority to teach. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 1, 2013, 6:41 AM
        1. So 2 Thess. was written earlier than 1 Corinthians. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:42 PM
    3. You have found your (and the RCC's) root problem - Jason on May 27, 2013, 4:18 PM
      1. Good analysis, except for Rev. 22:19. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:56 PM
    4. Jason shows up and in the next day he will run away. Again. - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 7:44 PM
    5. Jason, "Do not go beyond what is written". The bible does not teach to believe only what - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 2, 2013, 1:23 AM
      1. So you don't even try to explain 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 6:48 PM
    6. Tomas, you yourself are going beyond what is written. Paul has no authority over the words - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 1:20 AM
      1. God has authority over the words of Jesus. And it was God - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 4:09 PM
     
  2. The Catholic Church is the only true church. There is none other that can save. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2013, 5:12 AM
    1. ROFL - Jesus says it is only He who saves - you are a liar - Jason on Jun 4, 2013, 4:47 PM
      1. Ah well here are a few more - Jason on Jun 4, 2013, 4:51 PM
    2. Jason, why do you suppose Jesus founded his church? As decoration? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2013, 5:53 PM
      1. Jesus founded his church to make humans carry out his work. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 5, 2013, 3:09 AM
      2. Jesus commanded also to "Confess thy sins one to another." - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 5, 2013, 7:52 PM
      3. Jesus also commanded to eat his flesh and drink his blood. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 6:04 PM
      4. Again, I will let God through His word answer for me - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 11:56 AM
        1. Equally to the INC - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 12:03 PM
        2. Oh man, I can't believe I forgot this one - Jason on Jun 7, 2013, 12:08 PM
          1. Catholics and INC members follow these verses. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 4:13 PM
      5. Jason, are you saying it's not necessary to be baptized, to confess sins and to receive - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 7, 2013, 12:24 PM
        1. Jason, are you saying it is not necessary to be baptized, to confess sins and to receive - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 8:19 PM
          1. Lutherans generally believe just like Luther did, that - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:46 PM
     
  3. Why be Catholic? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 12, 2013, 9:31 AM
    1. Even Felix Manalo admits the true church is founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on May 12, 2013, 10:24 PM
    2. Jesus promised his church will be indestructible. But Protestants don't believe Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on May 14, 2013, 5:18 PM
      1. Protestants agree with me, his church is indestructible. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 7:18 PM
      2. You are using double talk. If you agree that the church Jesus founded is indestructible, - Dean 0'Gowan on May 17, 2013, 8:34 PM
        1. For the same reason why you recognize the Ukrainian Catholic - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 9:55 PM
      3. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church is in communion with Vatican. - Dean O'Gowan on May 18, 2013, 7:52 PM
        1. All good churches should be in communion with each other. - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 6:05 PM
    3. Further Jesus promised the Holy Spirit (not the Bible) to guide his church. - Dean O'Gowan on May 14, 2013, 7:12 PM
    4. Which is superior? The bible or the Church? - Dean O'Gowan on May 15, 2013, 7:01 PM
    5. The Bible is a Catholic book. In 382 AD, Pope St. Damasus declared the list of OT & NT - Dean O'Gowan on May 16, 2013, 9:06 PM
      1. Re: The Bible is a Catholic book. In 382 AD, Pope St. Damasus declared the list of OT & NT - Ms. Beatrice Too on May 17, 2013, 7:21 AM
        1. We say, it's God's book, not a Catholic book. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 7:23 PM
        2. Who is "we"? By what authority which book is inspired and which is not? - Dean 0'Gowan on May 17, 2013, 8:25 PM
        3. Who is "we"? By what authority which book is inspired and which is not? - Dean 0'Gowan on May 17, 2013, 8:26 PM
          1. Not because of Luther, there were better theologians in his day, - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 9:48 PM
        4. So which of those theologians you mentioned has the truth? - Dean O'Gowan on May 18, 2013, 8:06 PM
          1. Nobody here on the earth is infallible, we all need - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 6:12 PM
          2. Even if you don't believe the pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals, - Dean 0'Gowan on Jun 2, 2013, 2:43 PM
            1. I agree, we are required to believe, to be saved. So I believe, - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 4:24 PM
            2. Sorry, Tomas, you don't make the rules. Only the Church is authorized to make rules. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 8, 2013, 11:45 PM
              1. Only the apostles had the power to know supernaturally who repented, - Tomas on Jun 14, 2013, 1:03 PM
    6. Jesus did not command any of his apostles to write the things he taught. - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2013, 7:03 PM
    7. Jesus requires to have faith in him and his church to be saved. - Dean O'Gowan on May 19, 2013, 2:43 AM
    8. Today the day of the Pentecost is considered the birthday of the Church founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on May 19, 2013, 11:04 AM
    9. Jesus never commanded to teach only things in the bible. Only the Protestants invented - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 2013, 7:59 PM
    10. Those Who Start Their Own Church Follow the Voice of Satan - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:04 AM
      1. 1. The New Voice of Satan - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:06 AM
      2. 2. Founded upon the Apostles - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:08 AM
      3. 3. Bishops Protect the Church - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:10 AM
      4. 4. Church as Mother - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:12 AM
      5. 5. The People of God Always Had Unity - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:13 AM
      6. 6. Schism Creeps Like Cancer - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:15 AM
      7. 7. The Person of Christ - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:16 AM
      8. 8. Non-Catholics Are Not Martyrs - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:18 AM
      9. 9. Rebels Against Christ’s Sacrifice - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:20 AM
      10. 10. The Spouse of Christ Cannot be Torn - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:21 AM
      11. 11. Christ Comes Back for the Church - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:23 AM
      12. 11. Christ Comes Back for the Church - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 2013, 9:23 AM
    11. Dean, I grew up as a Lutheran. Our creed said: "I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 21, 2013, 4:22 PM
      1. Martin Luther started the Great Apostasy predicted in the bible. - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 2:55 AM
        1. I'm sorry, but you're acting like a minister of INC. Please also read Jesus' parable about - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 8:19 AM
          1. The Catholic Church has authority to teach. INC doesn't. And neither does excommunicated - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 5:46 PM
            1. All those verses have nothing to do with the countless malpractices of the RCC. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 8:01 PM
        2. Just one of the satanic practices of the RCC that Luther wanted to end: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 8:52 AM
          1. What is your basis for your accusations? - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 6:12 PM
            1. God is the Chief Architect of Solomon's Temple. - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 6:17 PM
            2. You completely missed the point. The RCC lied to their members, rich AND poor, by making - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 7:39 PM
              1. Never heard of Tetzel. Just now on Internet. So he was in charge of - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 1:42 PM
                1. Tetzel was only ONE of many and the most vigorous.Therefore, the pope made him commisioner - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 3:03 PM
          2. You must be proud of the Lutheran Berliner Dom. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 4:19 AM
            1. Why are you constantly missing the point? Was any money used from betrayed believers to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 8:34 AM
            2. A few more pictures from "my" church. Beautiful gym, isn't it? And no money from the sale - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 8:48 AM
            3. Nice church in honor of Martin Luther. How about St. Peter and Paul in Gorlitz. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 10:58 AM
              1. Most churches in Goerlitz became Lutheran churches after the Reformation, also St. Peter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 2:37 PM
              2. Gorlitz is an interesting city. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 4:43 PM
                1. Many have been calling Goerlitz the most beautiful city of Germany. And of course, I agree - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 8:50 PM
                2. I see really pretty pictures of Gorlitz in this site: - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 8:05 PM
        3. Be reminded that the Catholic Church excommunicated Martin Luther. - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 10:48 AM
          1. So, you defend indulgence? One of the great, satanic practices of the RCC? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 22, 2013, 7:54 PM
          2. Myths about Indulgences. First, it does not buy forgiveness of sins. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 3:30 PM
          3. "As soon as the gold in the casket rings, The rescured soul to heaven springs." - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 2013, 4:25 PM
            1. All those words mean nothing. Pope Pius V forbade and three years later excommunicated - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 7:55 PM
            2. Following through with Pope Pius V decree of 1567 and his promise to excommunicate in 1570 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 8:26 PM
            3. Pope Pius V never excommunicated anybody promoting indulgences. He excommunicated Queen - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 7:01 PM
              1. I never said he did excommunicate anybody, because I honestly don't know. But it's a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:01 PM
              2. You need to investigate your source. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 6:18 AM
                1. I did not say "promoting" indulgence. I said "selling" indulgence. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 10:42 PM
                2. Does the Catholic Church still sell indulgences? - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 2:43 AM
                  1. This article is a blatant lie! The papacy even took money from the sale of indulgence. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 4:00 AM
                    1. The papacy did not only not excommunicate people like Tetzel, they even promoted him to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 4:16 AM
                  2. I ask you again. How much did Tetzel collect from the poor Germans? - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 7:28 PM
                    1. Nobody knows, and you know that. Why then that question? Secondly, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 30, 2013, 8:32 AM
                    2. So you don't know. Therefore whatever contribution of the poor Germans may be - Dean O'Gowan on May 30, 2013, 11:23 AM
                      1. You're spreading lies here. Shame on you. Shame on your defense of the sale of indulgence. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 30, 2013, 12:25 PM
                    3. What is the Philippine contribution to the building of St. Peter's Basilica? Zero! - Dean O'Gowan on May 31, 2013, 6:41 AM
                      1. Now you're starting to talk with a bit more sense. Your article says, that many faithful, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 8:48 AM
        4. Errors of Martin Luther for which he won't recant and for which he was excommunicated. - Dean O'Gowan on May 22, 2013, 10:51 AM
        5. The Vatican disagrees with you. The Vatican calls Luther "our common master". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 7:36 PM
        6. The following JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION by the Lutheran World - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 9:12 PM
          1. I meant to say "our" common master...sorry for the typo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 23, 2013, 9:15 PM
        7. Card Jan Willebrands praised Martin Luther as a common master - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 7:16 PM
          1. How can a "common master" burn in hell? If that would be true, the RCC would also burn in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:20 PM
          2. This "common master" praise was never ratified by any pope. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 6:44 AM
            1. So you're saying a Catholic cardinal was lying? Hhhhmmmmm - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2013, 10:48 PM
            2. You are stretching the Cardinal's compliment of Luther. - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 2:24 AM
              1. You're just being divisive. Not the way a true Christian would be.End of discussion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 28, 2013, 7:55 AM
        8. The Doc. on Justification is an attempt at finding common grounds. - Dean O'Gowan on May 24, 2013, 7:30 PM
          1. You're a divider.You will rot in hell. Vatican and the Lutheran Church are seeking - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2013, 9:26 PM
          2. You understand what excommunication means. - Dean O'Gowan on May 25, 2013, 7:03 AM
            1. God's Church has about 2 billion members. Only 1.2 billion are RCC. Only a few million - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 28, 2013, 8:11 AM
            2. There are only 74 million Lutherans around the world. - Dean O'Gowan on May 28, 2013, 6:36 PM
              1. And Lutheran's are proud member's of God's Church. They are not divisive like you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 3:51 AM
              2. Sorry Guenter. The true Church is the Church Jesus founded. Lutheran is just one of the 40 - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 4:36 PM
                1. Did you ever read the Bible? God said that one third of all people in the land will call - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 30, 2013, 8:39 AM
                2. Useless speculations my friend. It is similar to the claim of Felix Manalo that the other - Dean O'Gowan on May 30, 2013, 9:15 AM
                  1. You're calling God's promises speculation? You will rot in hell! FYM didn't know grammar. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 30, 2013, 12:11 PM
                3. It is your speculation that Protestant churches are part of the Church Jesus founded, - Dean O'Gowan on May 31, 2013, 5:43 AM
                  1. You're calling God's promise speculation. Good luck on Judgment Day! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 31, 2013, 5:50 AM
                  2. Which of these churches are the Church of God? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 2, 2013, 1:43 AM
                    1. I have not studied them all, so how would I know? INC excluded itself. The Mormons and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2013, 9:15 AM
                  3. Very simple Guenter. The Church of God is the Church Jesus founded and no others. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2013, 2:16 AM
                    1. There were schisms within God's church (like two popes at the same time) long before - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 5, 2013, 7:06 PM
                    2. Two popes does not mean schism. One is true pope and the other must be antipope. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 5, 2013, 7:40 PM
                      1. OK, OK, keep on calling God a liar. Good luck on Judgment Day. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 9:07 AM
                    3. We don't call God a liar. We trust Him and we trust the Church - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 5:53 PM
                      1. Yes, you're calling God a liar. God said, He will respond to one third of the people. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 3:54 PM
                    4. God never said that man-made Protestant churches are part of the true church of God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 9, 2013, 7:57 PM
                      1. You're sidestepping. A tactic used by INC as well. God never said anything about any - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 5:25 AM
                      2. Also remember this: "To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 5:32 AM
    12. Why not to be a catholic - Jason on May 27, 2013, 4:36 PM
    13. So Jason what church do you go to? - Dean O'Gowan on May 27, 2013, 9:31 PM
      1. Jesus didn't "found" the RCC, man did, the RCC is not the (c)hurch C is not capitalized - Jason on Jun 3, 2013, 2:00 PM
      2. Jason, you keep saying RCC. What is RCC? The Catholic Church is not called RCC. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 3, 2013, 5:17 PM
        1. The Pope is the head of the Roman Catholic Church = RCC. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 9:24 AM
      3. Guenter, you don't have the whole picture of the Council of Jerusalem. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 2013, 11:15 AM
        1. Paul did not override the council of Jerusalem. - Tomas on Jun 7, 2013, 4:39 PM
        2. Did I say, the question of circumcision was NOT resolved at the council? Yes, there was a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 8:43 PM
     
  4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_rBy0FCg3I View Thread - year2027 on Jun 12, 2013, 4:56 PM
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  6. god;s queatoin View Thread - year2027 on Jun 10, 2013, 3:22 PM
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  8. Did you read what it says about your Wikipedia article? I'll tell you : View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2013, 1:59 PM
    1. You are out of line. Luther was not excommunicated for his opposition to indulgences. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 9, 2013, 8:55 PM
      1. You're not answering my question. So I have to assume you're still defending the satanic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 10, 2013, 5:21 AM
     
  9. So Jason, which church do you go to? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 2:17 AM
    1. Jason, are you a Lutheran, Baptist or what? - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2013, 4:31 PM
    2. Why don't you read the forum's rules? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2013, 9:30 AM
     
  10. The Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church are working on unity with Rome. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
    1. Do you have intercommunion with the Old Roman - Tomas on May 31, 2013, 6:05 PM
     
  11. Estimate of INC members. Members 4 to 10 million as of 1996. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 11, 2013, 7:47 AM
    1. Estimated between 3 and 10 million, how reliable is that? More than 300% - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 8:51 AM
    2. Pasugo, INC's magazine, itself gives contradicting numbers. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 9:51 AM
    3. We have now the exact numbers: 2.25 INC members in the Philippines according - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 29, 2013, 9:46 AM
     
  12. wrote while I was in Life Spring “Hardin Memorial Hospital” View Thread - year2027 on May 9, 2013, 7:05 PM
    1. Yes, colonoscopy is scary. - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:18 PM
      1. Re: Yes, colonoscopy is scary. - year2027 on May 11, 2013, 3:03 AM
        1. Yes, our fears are not from God. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 10:41 PM
          1. Re: Yes, our fears are not from God. - Anonymous on May 24, 2013, 2:52 PM
            1. Yes, I agree, Roy. - Tomas on May 24, 2013, 5:57 PM
              1. thank you Tomas for understaning - roy Perry on May 24, 2013, 6:29 PM
     
 
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