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  1. Untitled View Thread - Roy Perry on May 18, 2013, 5:11 PM
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  3. “It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” Mark Twain View Thread - Ed_Watson on May 12, 2013, 1:27 AM
    1. So he misunderstood the Bible, thinking the Bible speaks - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 10:29 PM
     
  4. Why be Catholic? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 28, 2013, 8:38 PM
    1. Nuts and bolts - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 28, 2013, 8:51 PM
    2. Proofs that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 29, 2013, 3:26 PM
      1. God is spirit, Jesus was not. - emmanuel on Apr 29, 2013, 11:29 PM
      2. Emmanuel ignores Tim Staples sound arguments. He behaves like a troll or an illiterate. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 30, 2013, 1:39 AM
        1. Jesus DID NOT say ' I am God'. God said, ' I am God'. - emmanuel on Apr 30, 2013, 2:10 AM
          1. Re: Jesus DID NOT say ' I am God'. God said, ' I am God'. - Nom on Apr 30, 2013, 5:27 AM
            1. Before Abraham He was a Word already. Not God already. - emmanuel on May 1, 2013, 9:21 AM
              1. Re: Before Abraham He was a Word already. Not God already. - karlos on May 2, 2013, 12:28 AM
            2. In Aramaic bible. "In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existin - Dean O'Gowan on May 1, 2013, 5:51 PM
              1. Re: In Aramaic bible. "In the origin The Word had been existing and That Word had been existin - karlos on May 2, 2013, 12:19 AM
                1. The Amplified Bible just mis-amplifies everything - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:41 PM
                  1. Re: The Amplified Bible just mis-amplifies everything - karlos on May 16, 2013, 2:51 AM
                    1. You should not use only one translation. No translation is perfect. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 7:27 PM
              2. Dean, if the Word is Jesus there, then Jesus was created at the1 - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:44 PM
              3. Firstborn of creation means Source of creation. - Dude O'Gowan on May 3, 2013, 11:15 PM
                1. Then why isn't God called firstborn of all creation? - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:24 PM
    3. Why not to be a catholic - Jason on May 8, 2013, 9:31 PM
      1. Here is a great summary of the false teachings of the RCC - Jason on May 8, 2013, 9:42 PM
        1. Jason here is an easy question. - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 5:05 PM
          1. I too agree with the website on this issue. - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:42 PM
          2. The verses are listed on that page/site - Jason on May 14, 2013, 8:10 AM
          3. Jason is no different from the Iglesias. He cannot answer questions. - Dean O'Gowan on May 14, 2013, 5:13 PM
            1. I will referr you back to the verses - Jason on May 15, 2013, 6:48 AM
            2. Here is a direct link incase you don't how to click on html links - Jason on May 15, 2013, 6:49 AM
          4. Jim has no cojones to categorically say he believes that Jesus had brothers - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 2013, 6:41 PM
        2. Jason, I mostly agree with that Church of Christ website about - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:52 PM
          1. Salvation is very simple, John 3:16, Romans 10:8-10 - Jason on May 14, 2013, 8:11 AM
            1. When believing Jews asked Peter in Acts 2 what they must do, - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 9:15 PM
      2. Jason, nobody's paying attention to you. I will, but you run away. - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 12:18 AM
        1. Why the Catholic Church is the true Church and no others. - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 1:38 AM
          1. You can't expect any church to be infallible on secondary doctrines. - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:07 AM
      3. Jason, the Catholic church does preach the true gospel. - Tomas on May 10, 2013, 11:59 PM
        1. If you wrong as much as the RCC is, something is seriously wrong - Jason on May 14, 2013, 8:15 AM
          1. That is not their catechismal teaching. - Tomas on May 17, 2013, 9:39 PM
     
  5. Brief characterization of the 4 angels, who according to INC, ended WW1 View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 15, 2013, 10:40 AM
    1. Re: Brief characterization of the 4 angels, who according to INC, ended WW1 - Ms. Beatrice Too on May 17, 2013, 7:33 AM
     
  6. I am glad Jim finally admits he's guilty of idolatry. View Thread - Ed_Watson on May 3, 2013, 9:25 AM
    1. Hi Ed aka Dinuguan! - Jim on May 3, 2013, 4:38 PM
    2. Proof that Iglesias worship also the Manalos. It's on Facebook! - Ed_Watson on May 4, 2013, 8:42 PM
      1. Angels in the bible do not accept worship. But your Manalos and your wives do. - Ed_Watson on May 5, 2013, 2:24 PM
        1. Preposterous! - Jim on May 6, 2013, 7:34 PM
        2. Dean, how many years again were you attacking the INC ? - Jim on May 6, 2013, 7:47 PM
          1. Jim are you desperate? Why do you brag about buying a surplus Catholic building? - Ed_Watson on May 8, 2013, 4:51 PM
            1. Milwaukee eighth diocese to file for bankruptcy - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:33 PM
            2. Spokane diocese files for bankruptcy - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:38 PM
              1. Jim there are many churches even in the bible that closed. - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 1:29 AM
                1. Your Catholic church was destroyed by pedophiles! - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:19 AM
                  1. "Ravenous wolves will be among you." says the Bible. So, what's your religious problem - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 4:51 PM
                  2. Re: Your Catholic church was destroyed by pedophiles! - karlos on May 10, 2013, 4:28 AM
                  3. Jim, less than 1% of Catholic priests were pedophile. But 99% of Iglesia workers are - Dean O'Gowan on May 10, 2013, 3:12 PM
                    1. Re: Jim, less than 1% of Catholic priests were pedophile. But 99% of Iglesia workers are - Dhean Bloodsausage on May 10, 2013, 7:11 PM
                2. Dean, you got to be careful in flipping! - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:26 AM
                3. 10 million INC members? Where do you have that number from? The 2010 census in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 4:20 PM
                  1. We are being generous to the INC. Orthodox Church members around the world are about 350 m - Dean O'Gowan on May 9, 2013, 5:42 PM
                    1. Re: We are being generous to the INC. Orthodox Church members around the world are about 350 m - karlos on May 10, 2013, 4:26 AM
                      1. Ed Villanueva's JIL Church is Now the Top Independent Church in Pinas - Ms. Beatrice Too on May 10, 2013, 7:14 AM
                    2. You shouldn't through around numbers if you're only guessing. All your other arguments - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 11, 2013, 7:15 AM
                4. If your church is serious about buying old Catholic churches, here's only for only $29,500 - Dean O'Gowan on May 10, 2013, 4:48 PM
            3. Dean, when did you leave the Catholic Church and becomes a Mormon? - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:41 PM
            4. Dean, are you ashamed of being Catholic? - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:44 PM
            5. Dean, you can't hide from being a Mormon, - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:51 PM
            6. Jim is proud of buying an old small church in a very tiny town in IA with a population of - Dean O'Gowan on May 8, 2013, 7:16 PM
              1. We take care with our little ones! - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:21 AM
              2. Tired of using the Mormons? - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:23 AM
    3. I'm so happy my friend Jim is still here; chained in his multiple errors, consumed with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 8, 2013, 6:43 PM
      1. I'm Great! - Jim on May 8, 2013, 6:45 PM
        1. LOL, still the good old bad mouthing person; possessed by the devil. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 8, 2013, 6:55 PM
          1. Can't handle the heat? - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:22 AM
            1. What heat? Your senseless attacks? They are laughable, my dear friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:20 AM
          2. This one is purely Guenter! - Jim on May 9, 2013, 4:31 AM
            1. Thank you for the compliment! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 2013, 6:19 AM
     
  7. Iglesias like Emmanuel and Jim will die in their sins. Why? Jesus says so. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 2, 2013, 2:29 AM
    1. In Jesus time, Jim would also be stoned for blasphemy. - Dean O'Gowan on May 3, 2013, 5:38 AM
      1. Nobody wins a debate from a foolish person. - emmanuel on May 3, 2013, 7:52 AM
        1. You are insulting each other, violating forum rules, - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:31 PM
          1. I'm sorry but I am not justfying a brother for calling Dean a FOOL! - Jim on May 4, 2013, 6:01 AM
            1. Jesus did not say it is only about brethren. - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:50 AM
      2. Dean, Jim could have been stoned for blasphemy for the same reason - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:38 PM
     
  8. A muslim turned to Christ View Thread - tumpak on Aug 4, 2012, 4:00 AM
    1. He did well, and was saved, but he should not be dogmatic - Tomas on Aug 10, 2012, 11:07 PM
      1. what will be your - tumpak on Aug 22, 2012, 1:47 AM
        1. My answer will be I am willing to learn. - Tomas on Aug 24, 2012, 1:10 PM
          1. then you are a man - tumpak on Aug 24, 2012, 1:30 PM
            1. I have strong saving faith that Jesus is the Christ, - Tomas on Aug 24, 2012, 1:36 PM
              1. life is short, but eternity is forever - tumpak on Aug 24, 2012, 2:00 PM
              2. life is short, but eternity is forever - tumpak on Aug 24, 2012, 2:03 PM
                1. Sure eternity is forever. But give me one verse that says, - Tomas on Aug 25, 2012, 9:10 PM
                  1. There is no such thing as Bible alone....that is why - tumpak on Sep 11, 2012, 8:12 AM
                    1. Bible alone is proven with 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Sep 14, 2012, 9:51 AM
                      1. Re: Bible alone is proven with 1 Cor. 4:6. - karlos on Apr 27, 2013, 8:04 PM
                      2. The rest of the New Testament was in God's head already. - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 6:19 PM
                      3. Re: The rest of the New Testament was in God's head already. - karlos on May 4, 2013, 6:35 AM
                      4. You are welcome. - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:40 AM
          2. Are you sure that you are willing to learn? - tumpak on Mar 15, 2013, 8:12 AM
            1. I don't ask Jesus secrets we are not supposed to know. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2013, 4:47 PM
            2. Tomas, don't be scared - tumpak on Mar 15, 2013, 8:35 PM
              1. Jesus does not speak to us today either. - Tomas on Mar 29, 2013, 11:13 AM
              2. Tomas....you can do it, don't be afraid - tumpak on Apr 5, 2013, 6:50 PM
                1. I would be disobedient to God to ask God for a revelation. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 8:32 AM
              3. Tomas, He will forgive....just don't be afraid - tumpak on Apr 26, 2013, 10:16 PM
                1. It is sinful for you to tempt me to sin. - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:48 PM
              4. Oh c'mon...where are your guts? - tumpak on May 4, 2013, 3:23 AM
            3. Tomas, Jesus speaks to us today through his church, the Church he founded. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 29, 2013, 6:47 PM
              1. In Mt. 16:18 he said 'my church'. He did not say 'the Catholic church'. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2013, 5:25 PM
              2. Tomas, are you saying Jesus founded the Iglesia ni Cristo on July 27, 1914 in Manila, PH? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 5, 2013, 7:15 PM
                1. Jesus Christ is the founder of his Church, the first century Church of Christ. - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 9:19 AM
                2. Jim, the issue is not the church Jesus founded in about 30 AD, - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 6, 2013, 4:29 PM
                  1. Of course not...... - Jim on Apr 7, 2013, 6:37 AM
                3. Jim, you say that the INC is the daughter of that church that Jesus founded. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 11, 2013, 7:00 AM
                  1. The first century Church of Christ is the the Zion. INC is the daughter of Zion. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2013, 11:30 AM
                  2. Emmanuel writes more chop chop theology. Chop chop here, chop chop there. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 12, 2013, 4:44 AM
                    1. 1 Corinthians 1:27 CEV - emmanuel on Apr 12, 2013, 7:44 AM
                    2. 1 Corinthians 1:27 CEV - emmanuel on Apr 12, 2013, 7:46 AM
                      1. All true Christians are wise enough, regardless if they belong - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 8:37 AM
                    3. Typical, a very VITW! - Jim on Apr 28, 2013, 6:27 AM
                4. Dean, I partly agree with Jim and Emmanuel, INC is one of the daughters - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 8:35 AM
                  1. Thomas, the Bible doesn't say daughters, but daughter only. - emmanuel on Apr 26, 2013, 10:33 PM
                    1. One church, but we can understand it as having many daughter - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 5:52 PM
                      1. The seven churches of Asia ? - Jim on May 4, 2013, 6:13 AM
                      2. God is not the author of confusion, but we are, - Tomas on May 11, 2013, 12:37 AM
     
  9. Jesus is God. Biblical proofs View Thread - Ed Watson on Apr 5, 2013, 5:13 AM
    1. Only God is to be worshipped. Jesus accepted worship. - Ed Watson on Apr 5, 2013, 5:16 AM
      1. My wife accepted my worship with her! - Jim on Apr 5, 2013, 5:20 AM
        1. Jim, you violate the command of Jesus. Worship belongs only to God. - Ed_Watson on Apr 5, 2013, 6:02 AM
          1. In Luke 4:8 the word 'only' modifies 'serve', not 'worship'. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2013, 3:58 PM
          2. Ed, you misunderstood the word worship! - Jim on Apr 5, 2013, 4:11 PM
            1. The Father commanded the angels to worship Jesus, but did not command us - Tomas on Apr 5, 2013, 5:31 PM
              1. Tom, isn't this enough for us to know as a command of God ..... - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 8:43 AM
                1. Yes, we are commanded to bow our knees at the name - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 9:33 AM
            2. I understand what you mean when you use the word worship. - emmanuel on Apr 5, 2013, 10:54 PM
              1. Ha ha, it's just like reaching out the stars and scrape them out the skies! - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 11:28 AM
        2. Ha! ha! Weak henpecked Jim, worships his wife more than Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 5, 2013, 7:25 PM
          1. There you are again, cunning evil adding words on what I actually said. - Jim on Apr 6, 2013, 8:52 AM
            1. Jesus' command is very clear. WORSHIP ONLY GOD. You worship a woman. - Ed Watson on Apr 6, 2013, 1:19 PM
              1. You can say whatever you want! That is your own personal opinion! - Jim on Apr 7, 2013, 6:20 AM
                1. Re: You can say whatever you want! That is your own personal opinion! - karlos on Apr 26, 2013, 11:21 PM
              2. Ed, Jim only used the word worship to show his love to his wife and not.. - emmanuel on Apr 7, 2013, 9:42 AM
                1. So Emmanuel, do you also worship your wife? Do you? - Ed Watson on Apr 8, 2013, 5:18 PM
                  1. Why don't you quote a verse and we will disect it accordingly! - Jim on Apr 8, 2013, 7:59 PM
                  2. Is King David an idolater? - Jim on Apr 8, 2013, 11:11 PM
                    1. Re: Is King David an idolater? - karlos on Apr 26, 2013, 11:31 PM
                  3. Emmanuel, are you going to let your sidekick talk for you? - Ed_Watson on Apr 9, 2013, 4:56 PM
                    1. To recapitulate. Worship belongs only to God. - Ed_Watson on Apr 9, 2013, 5:38 PM
                      1. You can not really answer straight any questions regarding verses , do you? - Jim on Apr 9, 2013, 8:23 PM
                      2. Talk to me Doctor Ed Watson D.D. - Jim on Apr 9, 2013, 8:49 PM
                      3. Jim, didn't your church teach you that we are now in the New Testament age? - Ed_Watson on Apr 10, 2013, 6:52 AM
                      4. What is the Biblical prophecy regarding the preaching of Joseph Smith? - emmanuel on Apr 10, 2013, 10:37 AM
                      5. Emmanuel, you are not in a position to ask questions. You haven't answered mine. - Ed_Watson on Apr 10, 2013, 2:05 PM
                      6. Haven't you adored your wife? - emmanuel on Apr 11, 2013, 4:29 AM
                      7. Still no verses mentioned! - Jim on Apr 10, 2013, 9:18 PM
                      8. Jim is attempting to digress the topic. Only God is to be worshipped. No others. - Ed_Watson on Apr 11, 2013, 12:54 AM
                      9. A good book to read! - Jim on Apr 12, 2013, 8:30 PM
                      10. That post is too dogmatic. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2013, 1:39 PM
                      11. Yeah it is really hard! - jim on Apr 20, 2013, 4:44 AM
                      12. Yes, so it is better to not believe that Jesus is not God, - Tomas on Apr 26, 2013, 1:44 PM
                      13. Jesus replied to Philip - tumpak on Apr 26, 2013, 11:05 PM
                      14. Re: Jesus replied to Philip - karlos on Apr 26, 2013, 11:24 PM
                      15. Tumpak, read the context, that was about Philip not knowing - Tomas on May 3, 2013, 6:02 PM
    2. The argument of advocates that Christ is not God, - cyrus2013 on Apr 9, 2013, 9:55 AM
      1. Trinity is unbiblical! - Jim on Apr 9, 2013, 9:25 PM
        1. The Bible is an open book. Your INC closed it on you. - cyrus2013 on Apr 10, 2013, 7:08 AM
          1. The Bible is an open book that wants us to be open-minded - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 9:39 AM
     
  10. Funny thing. Iglesias are the most hypocrite. They accuse Catholics of worshipping statues View Thread - Ed_Watson on Apr 27, 2013, 11:19 AM
    1. This is exactly the structure of argument. - Jim on Apr 27, 2013, 4:06 PM
      1. Dean O Gowan was inspired from the word Dinuguan. lol. - emmanuel on Apr 28, 2013, 5:11 AM
        1. Dean, am I correct? Or Dean was really a name of yours. - emmanuel on Apr 28, 2013, 5:12 AM
          1. He actually invented that pseudonym for one purpose! - Jim on Apr 28, 2013, 6:21 AM
     
  11. Was Jesus crucified naked? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 12:35 AM
    1. How Jesus was crucified. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 30, 2013, 1:52 AM
      1. Yes, so your crucifixes have false clothing. - Tomas on Apr 5, 2013, 4:09 PM
      2. Tomas, Jesus was already humiliated while he was crucified on the cross. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 11, 2013, 6:21 AM
        1. And you don't humiliate him by depicting him on the cross? - Tomas on Apr 12, 2013, 9:08 AM
        2. No Tomas, we make movies of his crucifixion so that people will remember - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 12, 2013, 12:56 PM
          1. Movies of Jesus are OK, as long as you don't portray God. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2013, 1:51 PM
        3. Tomas, did you see the movie "The Ten Commandments"? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 21, 2013, 12:32 AM
          1. The burning bush was not God himself. - Tomas on Apr 26, 2013, 1:39 PM
     
 
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