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  1. JESUS said View Thread - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:17 PM
    1. COME TO ME, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I WILL GIVE YOU REST. - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:19 PM
    2. I AM the RESURRECTION and the LIFE. - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:42 PM
     
  2. JESUS is View Thread - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:01 PM
    1. the LORD - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:02 PM
    2. the CHRIST - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:05 PM
    3. the SAVIOR! - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:06 PM
    4. the ALPHA and the OMEGA, the BEGINNING and the END, the FIRST and the LAST - Michael on Dec 12, 2016, 4:10 PM
     
  3. I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. View Thread - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 5:02 AM
    1. Re: I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. - Michael on Nov 10, 2016, 6:26 AM
      1. Re: I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 7:05 AM
        1. Re: I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. - Michael on Nov 11, 2016, 3:10 AM
          1. Re: I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. - RGJesus on Nov 14, 2016, 10:56 AM
            1. Incarnation - Michael on Nov 15, 2016, 7:48 AM
              1. Re: Incarnation - RGJesus on Nov 15, 2016, 8:25 AM
                1. Re: Incarnation - Michael on Nov 15, 2016, 8:32 AM
                  1. Re: Incarnation - RGJesus on Nov 15, 2016, 9:05 AM
                    1. Re: Incarnation - Michael on Nov 16, 2016, 1:32 AM
                      1. human-divine nature of Jesus - RGJesus on Nov 17, 2016, 8:22 AM
                      2. Re: human-divine nature of Jesus - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 10:35 AM
                      3. Possibility of Trinity being false - RGJesus on Nov 17, 2016, 1:34 PM
                      4. Re: Possibility of Trinity being false - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      5. Re: Possibility of Trinity being false - RGJesus on Nov 18, 2016, 6:35 AM
      2. Re: I'm no longer a Trinitarian. I'm a biblical Unitarian. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 7:08 AM
        1. God's nature is a mystery, so we can't know if he is a Trinity, or Binity, or - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 2:37 AM
          1. For Tomas - RGJesus on Dec 8, 2016, 6:40 AM
            1. We can know some things about the nature of God, like that he is omnipresent, - Tomas on Dec 8, 2016, 10:00 PM
     
  4. Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong View Thread - RGJesus on Nov 18, 2016, 6:34 AM
    1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - Michael on Nov 19, 2016, 8:19 AM
      1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - RGJ on Nov 21, 2016, 5:47 AM
        1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - Michael on Nov 22, 2016, 3:56 AM
          1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - RGJ on Nov 23, 2016, 5:33 AM
            1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 6:13 AM
              1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - RGJ on Nov 23, 2016, 8:44 AM
                1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - Michael on Nov 23, 2016, 9:37 AM
                  1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - RGJesus on Dec 8, 2016, 6:39 AM
                    1. Re: Possibility of the Trinity Being Wrong - Michael on Dec 8, 2016, 6:43 PM
     
  5. Tomas, INCquisitor and others: Who will come and appear? View Thread - Michael on Jul 23, 2016, 1:25 PM
    1. Jesus will come back, and the Father will come too. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 4:20 PM
      1. Re: Jesus will come back, and the Father will come too. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:42 AM
        1. Sure they will both appear. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 10:56 AM
          1. Do you realize what it means to "APPEAR"? - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 11:13 AM
            1. Yes, to become seen. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:05 PM
              1. How will you see an invisible God Tomas? - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 3:40 AM
                1. The Father is able to make himself visible. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:37 PM
                  1. Re: The Father is able to make himself visible. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 3:01 AM
                    1. The Father indeed made himself visible to Abraham. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:26 PM
                      1. Re: The Father indeed made himself visible to Abraham. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 10:40 PM
                      2. Yes, Abraham saw the Father. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:15 PM
                      3. Re: Yes, Abraham saw the Father. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 9:36 AM
                      4. No one has seen the Father in his full glory. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 2:17 AM
                      5. Re: No one has seen the Father in his full glory. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 3:15 AM
                      6. 1 Tim. 6:16 is not inadequately written, but you can't take it so literally. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 6:27 PM
                      7. Re: 1 Tim. 6:16 is not inadequately written, but you can't take it so literally. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      8. No verse is inadequately written. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      9. Re: No verse is inadequately written. - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 4:17 AM
                      10. I guess you are right, at that time we will see him in full glory. - Tomas on Sep 25, 2016, 12:19 AM
                      11. Re: I guess you are right, at that time we will see him in full glory. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      12. You seem to misunderstand me. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 9:59 PM
                      13. Re: You seem to misunderstand me. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 1:03 AM
                      14. The Father is coming too. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:15 PM
                      15. Re: The Father is coming too. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 4:07 AM
                      16. God is able to make himself visible, even in his full glory. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 7:43 PM
                      17. Re: God is able to make himself visible, even in his full glory. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 5:58 AM
                      18. If God took on a form visible to man, then he was seen by men. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 7:58 PM
                      19. Re: If God took on a form visible to man, then he was seen by men. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 9:15 AM
                      20. Can angels see God in his full glory? - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      21. Re: Can angels see God in his full glory? - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 2:28 AM
                      22. OK, so we are in agreement. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:32 AM
    2. Only Jesus will come and appear on judgment day. - INCquisitor on Aug 28, 2016, 8:37 AM
      1. Titus 2:13 is spurious? Have any proof? - Michael on Aug 30, 2016, 10:45 AM
        1. Titus 2:13 is spurious in comparison with other scriptures. - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 8:22 AM
          1. I'm not at all surprise, for this is the only way you always go regarding a lot of verses. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:08 AM
            1. "Him" in 1 John 2:29 refers to God - NOT Jesus. - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 7:04 PM
              1. Re: "Him" in 1 John 2:29 refers to God - NOT Jesus. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 9:28 PM
                1. Disciples of Christ are "born of God" - NOT of Christ. - INCquisitor on Nov 5, 2016, 7:54 AM
                  1. Re: Disciples of Christ are "born of God" - NOT of Christ. - Michael on Nov 6, 2016, 9:20 AM
     
  6. Who do you say is the bread of God or the bread of life spoken of in scriptures? View Thread - Michael on Oct 11, 2016, 4:34 AM
    1. I agree, it's Jesus Christ. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 1:47 PM
      1. Re: I agree, it's Jesus Christ. - Michael on Oct 16, 2016, 3:57 AM
        1. Yes, it is Jesus Christ. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2016, 7:14 PM
          1. Re: Yes, it is Jesus Christ. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 7:42 AM
            1. I think that is a good explanation. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 9:08 PM
              1. Re: I think that is a good explanation. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 11:18 AM
                1. What does that say of the person of Jesus? My answer. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 5:55 PM
                  1. Re: What does that say of the person of Jesus? My answer. - Michael on Oct 29, 2016, 10:41 PM
                    1. That's what it says of the person of Jesus to me. - Tomas on Nov 7, 2016, 12:18 AM
                      1. Re: That's what it says of the person of Jesus to me. - Michael on Nov 8, 2016, 8:41 PM
                      2. OK, you have ended the discussion. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2016, 12:28 AM
     
  7. Tomas - and anyone else - who says in John 1:1: "....the Word was a god...." tells us that View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:49 PM
    1. Not lying, you don't understand that the verse can't be applied - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:58 AM
      1. You didn't answer my question. You learned from the diversion tactics of INC. But don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:40 AM
        1. I did answer you. Just because you don't think so, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:22 PM
          1. Did anyone say John 10 is a factor here? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 10:57 AM
            1. I gave you the answer that you are misapplying the verse - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:00 AM
    2. Guenter, I am aware that Tomas says the word was a god. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:49 AM
      1. He "says", he is not dogmatic about it. But he also says, "a god" is the best tr - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:30 AM
        1. I am dogmatic about that that is what John meant. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:26 PM
          1. The Bible makes much more sense without your false and personal interpretations, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
            1. God is not the author of confusion, but we peopleq - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 AM
              1. Nobody needs infinite wisdom to understand the Bible. Only people like you are getting - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:44 PM
                1. Surely you are not telling me you understand everything in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                  1. You don't even change your mind to the truth when you're being presented with an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:23 AM
                    1. I told you I agreed with that author, that there can't be - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
      2. No, Michael, the best translation is "was a god", so that is what John - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:24 PM
        1. So Tomas, you are dogmatic that Christ is a created god. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 7:26 PM
          1. Christ is a created god, and in addition he could be God, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:28 PM
            1. And so Tomas, Christ, your Savior, is a created god. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 4:19 AM
              1. Yes, that is the biblical truth. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:15 AM
                1. Tomas is making Christianity a God/god religion. And he says, he is not an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 1:21 PM
                  1. The Bible speaks of one true God, the only almighty. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:20 AM
                    1. Not only an Almighty God, but also a Mighty God. And it's the same God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:02 PM
                      1. Why argue with Genesis? Aren't the angels extremely important? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      2. Finally we agree, the Son existed prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      3. No, he was created prior to the time of Genesis 1:1. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:10 PM
                      4. Beginning of creation? You're adding to the scriptures. That's a no no. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      5. I gave you verses proving he was created. If you don't believe me, OK, - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:08 AM
                      6. no Tomas, before creation there was no time as we know of it! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      7. So give me a verse to prove it. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:02 PM
                      8. so now you want a verse that prove God has no beggining nor end? - Karlos on Mar 15, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      9. No, I know God has no beginning nor end. I want a verse - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:08 AM
                      10. I am talking about OUR time as we know it! - Karlos on Mar 21, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      11. But I see no indication in the Bible that before creation, time somehow flew differently - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      12. I am not implying anything, you are. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:39 AM
                      13. Why would God's time in eternity be different than - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:40 AM
                      14. I don't want to repeat my explanation about time and spiritual body, I've done that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:57 AM
                2. Well, that's at least what you believe it is. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:12 AM
                  1. Sorry for any confusion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 2:51 AM
                    1. Re: Sorry for any confusion. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      1. Well, we still disagree. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:15 AM
                      2. Yes. You have a created as your Savior, while I have God as my Savior. - Michael on Feb 27, 2015, 3:34 PM
                      3. I'm happy for you, Michael, that you finally see the unscriptural beliefs of a blind and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 4:49 PM
                      4. Cannot be changed? I have changed quite a few unscriptural beliefs - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      5. Michael, my Saviors are the Father and the Son, and he might be God too. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:52 AM
                      6. He might be God? Not when you insist on "And the Word was a god". Your hypocrisy knows no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:29 PM
                      7. He was a god but could be God too. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      8. If He was a god, he never could be God. Either He is the only true God, or a god of many. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      9. He can be both. And you misspell the en, you have final sigma - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      10. Time existed only at the moment of creation as we understood the meaning of time - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      11. Tomas has nothing but assumptions, "coulds", "maybes" etc. because he believes i - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 12, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      12. Karlos, why wouldn't time be eternal? Do you have a verse - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:06 PM
                      13. prove to me with any versebthat the time we know now is the same time... - Karlos on Mar 16, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      14. Since I see no verse to the contrary, I assume that time before creation was just like - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:06 AM
                      15. again Tomas, God cannot create a creature that can be God! - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      16. Why can't God grow, create additional persons within himself? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:11 PM
                      17. Yes, I know that Tomas. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 5:58 AM
                      18. You know that one who has no uncertainties will be surprised? - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      19. Uncertainties denotes doubt. With faith, there are no uncertainties. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      20. No uncertainties about anything? But you admitted you don't know everything about God. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:23 AM
                      21. Knowing and being certain that Christ is God does not mean knowing everything about God. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      22. Yes. But I feel sure that to be certain that Christ is God is going beyond the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:15 PM
                      23. Well, that is the way it is then for you Tomas. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      24. Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      25. Re: Yes, that is the way for me, based on the Bible. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      26. Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:55 AM
                      27. Re: Everything we saved people do is in the Spirit, since we are in the Spirit. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      28. But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:13 AM
                      29. Re: But being given understanding of a verse would be additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      30. It would be revelation of how to understand the verses. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:33 AM
                      31. Tomas, understanding is different from revelation. Understanding is not revelation. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:39 PM
                      32. Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:10 AM
                      33. Re: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      34. Understanding cannot come without words. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      35. I disagree Tomas. One can have understanding about God through His creation. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:50 PM
                      36. Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 12:26 PM
                      37. Re: Of course. But that is not understanding given by the Spirit. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:13 PM
                      38. Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:53 AM
                      39. Re: Understanding of verses always comes with words. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      40. Nobody on this earth, no matter how mature, has perfect, infallible understanding of Bible - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 7:53 AM
                      41. Not the issue here Tomas. - Michael on Aug 6, 2015, 8:55 AM
                      42. So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:05 AM
                      43. Re: So how can you say that all mature Christians have the same understanding? - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 6:10 AM
                      44. So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 8:00 AM
                      45. Re: So I guess you mean God gives understanding of some verses to mature Christians. - Michael on Aug 27, 2015, 7:50 PM
                      46. Natural man, what we can know, the devil - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 6:30 AM
                      47. Re: Natural man, what we can know, the devil - Michael on Oct 2, 2015, 7:31 AM
                      48. Concerning the revealed things of God, and concerning the power of the devil. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 2:32 AM
                      49. Re: Concerning the revealed things of God, and concerning the power of the devil. - Michael on Oct 9, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      50. More about what is revealed, and about the devil and reasons for disagreements. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 5:15 AM
                      51. Re: More about what is revealed, and about the devil and reasons for disagreements. - Michael on Oct 12, 2015, 10:05 AM
                      52. About the Old Covenant, about what is revealed, and reasons for disagreements. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 11:44 AM
                      53. Re: About the Old Covenant, about what is revealed, and reasons for disagreements. - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 6:51 AM
                      54. About salvation in the Old Covenant, and about God not revealing to us understanding. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 8:53 AM
                      55. Re: About salvation in the Old Covenant, and about God not revealing to us understanding. - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 11:09 AM
                      56. So what then we can't know about salvation in the Old Testament. And about understanding. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 11:52 AM
                      57. What it means to understand Scriptures. - Michael on Oct 27, 2015, 6:39 AM
                      58. Understanding the scriptures. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 8:43 AM
                      59. Re: Understanding the scriptures. - Michael on Nov 12, 2015, 10:14 AM
                      60. Understanding is not enough, one has to believe what one understands. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 1:09 PM
                      61. Be CUT TO THE HEART. - Michael on Dec 11, 2015, 5:36 PM
                      62. Yes, we were. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      63. And you say your conscience cut you to the heart? Not the same with me. The HS did. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 5:42 PM
                      64. OK, the HS by the words he inspired, convinced my conscience, so it was cut to the heart. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 1:15 PM
                      65. What is it really now Tomas? Conscience or HS? And you missed out a segment here. - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 7:08 AM
                      66. Sorry for missing a segment there. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 1:09 AM
                      67. Re: Sorry for missing a segment there. - Michael on Dec 26, 2015, 3:21 AM
                      68. The New Testament, and being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 7:22 AM
                      69. Re: The New Testament, and being cut to the heart. - Michael on Dec 31, 2015, 2:41 PM
                      70. OK, the New Covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 1:58 AM
                      71. Why the need for a NEW Covenant? - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 7:00 AM
                      72. For the reasons I gave. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 7:22 AM
                      73. In that case, your reasons are not what I read in scriptures. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 8:52 AM
                      74. But it looks to me like we basically agree on this. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 5:45 PM
                      75. The reality of all being a sinner is different from being CUT TO THE HEART, Tomas. - Michael on Jan 12, 2016, 9:04 PM
                      76. Yes, it is indeed very different. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:56 PM
                      77. Good thing you know Tomas. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      78. Yes, it is good that we both know. But let's discuss being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 5:56 AM
                      79. Re: Yes, it is good that we both know. But let's discuss being cut to the heart. - Michael on Feb 23, 2016, 6:12 AM
                      80. The need for a new covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 11:41 AM
                      81. Re: The need for a new covenant, and about being cut to the heart. - Michael on Mar 3, 2016, 2:30 AM
                      82. about Old Testament saints, and about being cut to the heart. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 2:18 PM
                      83. Re: about Old Testament saints, and about being cut to the heart. - Michael on May 7, 2016, 12:17 PM
                      84. OId Testament saints, and about what caused some to be cut to the heart. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 8:17 PM
                      85. Re: OId Testament saints, and about what caused some to be cut to the heart. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 10:40 AM
                      86. Old Testament saints, and what causes guilt. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 7:25 PM
                      87. Re: Old Testament saints, and what causes guilt. - Michael on May 16, 2016, 4:08 AM
                      88. More about OT saints, and what causes guilt. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 7:11 PM
                      89. Re: More about OT saints, and what causes guilt. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 5:56 AM
                      90. OT saints and the HS, what caused guilt in Acts 2, what causes repentance and faith. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 7:12 AM
                      91. Re: OT saints and the HS, what caused guilt in Acts 2, what causes repentance and faith. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 9:57 AM
                      92. More about the influence of the HS. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 7:54 PM
                      93. Re: More about the influence of the HS. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 10:44 AM
                      94. And more about the influences of the HS. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 6:08 PM
                      95. Re: And more about the influences of the HS. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 9:14 AM
                      96. You have skipped the first section. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 8:26 PM
                      97. Re: You have skipped the first section. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 5:18 AM
                      98. So I guess we are now discussing only the first section, unless I missed something. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 8:52 PM
                      99. Re: So I guess we are now discussing only the first section, unless I missed something. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 9:57 PM
                      100. I know of no OT verse mentioning the HS saving from lake of fire. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:52 PM
                      101. Re: I know of no OT verse mentioning the HS saving from lake of fire. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 8:16 AM
                      102. So still no such verse. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 2:27 AM
                      103. Re: So still no such verse. - Michael on Aug 31, 2016, 9:42 PM
                      104. About what the HS did and does. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 9:01 PM
                      105. Re: About what the HS did and does. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 10:40 PM
                      106. Did even the exodus imply salvation of some gentiles? - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 10:10 PM
                      107. Re: Did even the exodus imply salvation of some gentiles? - Michael on Sep 18, 2016, 5:53 AM
                      108. But God did lots of things for Israel that he did not do for the Gentiles. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 9:51 PM
                      109. Re: But God did lots of things for Israel that he did not do for the Gentiles. - Michael on Oct 1, 2016, 9:25 PM
                      110. Always carrying out His eternal purpose of saving even Gentiles? - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 12:03 AM
                      111. Re: Always carrying out His eternal purpose of saving even Gentiles? - Michael on Oct 10, 2016, 10:08 AM
                      112. About Abraham and the gospel. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 5:55 PM
                      113. Re: About Abraham and the gospel. - Michael on Oct 19, 2016, 8:04 AM
                      114. Abraham and the gospel. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 12:06 AM
                      115. Re: Abraham and the gospel. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 10:27 AM
                      116. The salvation of Gentiles. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 1:50 AM
                      117. Re: The salvation of Gentiles. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 2:29 AM
                      118. About being free. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:31 PM
                      119. Re: About being free. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:28 AM
                      120. OK, so you have ended the discussion. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 11:56 PM
     
  8. To INC: read this scripture and relate it to FYM View Thread - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 7:14 AM
    1. Prophecy of scripture is not of private interpretation, so that verse talks about - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 9:08 AM
      1. The verse talks about interpretation of prophecy of scripture. - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 10:11 AM
        1. The next verse clarifies that prophecy did not come by the will of man, by interpretation, - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 11:07 AM
          1. Try to read the different Bible versions of this verse, as they say the same thing, - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 11:34 AM
            1. The NIV understood the meaning well, as they translate verse 20: "Above all, - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 12:27 PM
              1. The NIV on 2 Peter 1:20-21 - Michael on Oct 27, 2015, 6:22 AM
                1. More about 2 Peter 1:20-21. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 9:29 AM
                  1. No prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation. - Michael on Nov 1, 2015, 8:16 PM
                    1. Anyway, the Bible does not prohibit us from interpreting prophecies. - Tomas on Nov 7, 2015, 1:20 AM
                      1. Yes, everyone is free to interpret, why not. - Michael on Nov 7, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      2. You want to listen to God's interpretation? - Tomas on Nov 7, 2015, 10:55 AM
                      3. God's interpretation? - Michael on Nov 8, 2015, 3:43 AM
                      4. You just think God gave you understanding of some verses. But how can you know? - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 2:05 PM
                      5. It's the same way I knew the true God in heaven. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 8:28 PM
                      6. With that kind of thinking, you are lucky you did not fall for a false gospel. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 8:24 AM
                      7. Read carefully what I posted Tomas. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 7:22 PM
                      8. OK, you say the HS convicted you and moved you. The issue is still the same. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 12:57 PM
                      9. In your case who convicted you and moved you Tomas? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 7:59 AM
                      10. The HS convicted and moved me, through the scriptures he inspired. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 12:49 AM
                      11. So, now you answered clearly. It is the HS who convicted and moved you. That's good. - Michael on Dec 26, 2015, 4:43 AM
                      12. Yes, but not like you think, through an instant miraculous conviction. No. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 6:36 AM
                      13. Who speaks of an instant miraculous conviction, Tomas? - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 1:46 AM
                      14. So you think you were miraculously convicted gradually by the HS? - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 1:32 AM
                      15. I believe the salvation work of God is a supernatural thing, a miracle. - Michael on Jan 5, 2016, 11:02 AM
                      16. The salvation work of God, sure. But not us becoming aware of being convicted. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 6:41 AM
                      17. Becoming aware of being convicted? What excuse is this now? - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 11:10 AM
                      18. Being convicted simply means being judged guilty. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 12:29 PM
                      19. Is that what your excuse is? - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 4:53 AM
                      20. You skipped my answer in the first section, that's why you think it is just an excuse. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 4:29 AM
                      21. Re: You skipped my answer in the first section, that's why you think it is just an excuse. - Michael on Feb 23, 2016, 7:49 PM
                      22. About reproving, convicting, recognizing the HS in a person. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 11:18 AM
                      23. Re: About reproving, convicting, recognizing the HS in a person. - Michael on Mar 3, 2016, 5:48 AM
                      24. Can we be sure that another person is saved? I say no. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 1:26 PM
                      25. Re: Can we be sure that another person is saved? I say no. - Michael on May 7, 2016, 3:33 PM
                      26. We can even be very confident that someone else is saved, but never totally. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 6:47 PM
                      27. Re: We can even be very confident that someone else is saved, but never totally. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 5:50 AM
                      28. About faith and about salvation. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 6:34 PM
                      29. Re: About faith and about salvation. - Michael on May 16, 2016, 7:44 AM
                      30. More about faith and about salvation. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 6:42 PM
                      31. Re: More about faith and about salvation. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 8:15 AM
                      32. And more about faith and about salvation. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 8:58 AM
                      33. Re: And more about faith and about salvation. - Michael on May 31, 2016, 9:59 PM
                      34. More about righteousness and about salvation. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 1:01 PM
                      35. Re: More about righteousness and about salvation. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 5:47 AM
                      36. About ascending to heaven, and about two Saviors. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 11:16 PM
                      37. Re: About ascending to heaven, and about two Saviors. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 8:36 AM
                      38. About the rich man and salvation, and about the two Saviors. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 7:26 PM
                      39. Re: About the rich man and salvation, and about the two Saviors. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 3:09 AM
                      40. I have not blasphemed. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 12:29 AM
                      41. Re: I have not blasphemed. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 3:12 AM
                      42. But it just can't be blasphemy at all. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 9:27 PM
                      43. Re: But it just can't be blasphemy at all. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 3:54 AM
                      44. In Is. 43:11, Christ was not savior yet. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 9:23 PM
                      45. Re: In Is. 43:11, Christ was not savior yet. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 12:14 PM
                      46. Is. 43:11 was true for that time. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:28 PM
                      47. Re: Is. 43:11 was true for that time. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 12:59 AM
                      48. It can't be called false, but it is not for today. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 11:06 PM
                      49. Why not, if such statement is not true today? - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 1:02 AM
                      50. To call it false would imply it was written in error. But it was written correctly. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:18 PM
                      51. Re: To call it false would imply it was written in error. But it was written correctly. - Michael on Sep 20, 2016, 8:15 AM
                      52. God is able to create additional persons in the Godhead. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 7:59 PM
                      53. Re: God is able to create additional persons in the Godhead. - Michael on Sep 24, 2016, 8:10 PM
                      54. I did not say different from God being a created one. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 10:45 PM
                      55. K. You believe that God can create part or parts of Himself. - Michael on Oct 8, 2016, 10:50 PM
                      56. Exactly. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 10:02 PM
                      57. Re: Exactly. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 2:24 AM
                      58. about God's omnipotence. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 8:16 PM
                      59. Re: about God's omnipotence. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 3:19 AM
                      60. You seem inconsistent with this. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 9:01 PM
                      61. Re: You seem inconsistent with this. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 7:30 AM
                      62. God cannot create a square circle. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:46 PM
                      63. Re: God cannot create a square circle. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 5:33 AM
                      64. Re: God cannot create a square circle. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 7:33 AM
                      65. To RGJesus on God's omnipotence. - Michael on Nov 11, 2016, 4:10 AM
                      66. God's omnipotence versus 'ALL things' are possible - RGJesus on Nov 14, 2016, 10:51 AM
                      67. Re: God's omnipotence versus 'ALL things' are possible - Michael on Nov 15, 2016, 3:21 AM
                      68. man's logic? - RGJesus on Nov 15, 2016, 5:20 AM
                      69. Re: man's logic? - Michael on Nov 15, 2016, 8:29 AM
                      70. Michael, with God, all logical things are possible. - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 2:54 AM
                      71. Michael, sure God can change an apple into a cherry or whatever. But - Tomas on Nov 27, 2016, 3:04 AM
                      72. Re: Michael, with God, all logical things are possible. - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 4:00 AM
                      73. Re: Michael, sure God can change an apple into a cherry or whatever. But - Michael on Nov 27, 2016, 4:04 AM
                      74. It would be illogical, absurd, for God to violate his attributes. - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 12:31 AM
                      75. Sure, God can make a camel go through the eye of a needle. He can change - Tomas on Dec 4, 2016, 1:27 AM
     
  9. Do you really want to know Jesus? Part II View Thread - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 5:02 AM
    1. The translation of Heb. 1:8 is controversial. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 5:06 PM
      1. Re: The translation of Heb. 1:8 is controversial. - Michael on Jul 24, 2016, 1:05 AM
        1. I did study Heb. 1:8-9, in the Greek. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:40 PM
          1. And your there is your bias suggestion to translate it which does not make Christ God. - Michael on Jul 31, 2016, 9:40 PM
            1. I am using a translation which is in harmony with the rest of the Bible. - Tomas on Aug 3, 2016, 12:46 AM
              1. Perhaps, more precisely, in harmony with your take of scriptures. - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 2:46 AM
                1. I believe my take is right and your take on this is in error. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 7:09 PM
                  1. Re: I believe my take is right and your take on this is in error. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 1:48 AM
                    1. I think the Son was the co-creator. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 11:20 PM
                      1. Re: I think the Son was the co-creator. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:36 PM
                      2. Even if the Son is co-creator, then Is. 44:24 is right. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      3. Re: Even if the Son is co-creator, then Is. 44:24 is right. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 11:31 AM
                      4. Seems like you did not understand me. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 1:28 AM
                      5. Re: Seems like you did not understand me. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:57 AM
                      6. Creation is not mentioned in Is. 44:24. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:27 PM
                      7. Re: Creation is not mentioned in Is. 44:24. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 1:14 AM
                      8. Heb. 1:10. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:07 PM
                      9. Re: Heb. 1:10. - Michael on Sep 20, 2016, 7:51 AM
                      10. More about Heb. 1:10. - Tomas on Sep 24, 2016, 8:21 PM
                      11. Re: More about Heb. 1:10. - Michael on Sep 25, 2016, 12:39 AM
                      12. Heb. 1:10. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 9:53 PM
                      13. Re: Heb. 1:10. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 7:33 AM
                      14. OK, so I see you have ended the discussion then. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 9:00 PM
                      15. Yes. Your take of Luke 10:22 did just that. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 4:12 AM
    2. Where in Bible Jesus is Almighty God? - RGJesus on Nov 14, 2016, 11:02 AM
      1. Re: Where in Bible Jesus is Almighty God? - Michael on Nov 15, 2016, 8:45 AM
        1. Almighty God - RGJesus on Nov 15, 2016, 11:32 AM
          1. Re: Almighty God - Michael on Nov 16, 2016, 12:57 AM
            1. Re: Almighty God - RGJesus on Nov 17, 2016, 8:53 AM
              1. Re: Almighty God - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 11:09 AM
                1. Re: Almighty God - RGJesus on Nov 17, 2016, 1:28 PM
                  1. Re: Almighty God - Michael on Nov 17, 2016, 10:30 PM
     
  10. Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. View Thread - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 2:15 AM
    1. Yes, clearly the Son is infallible, so he can testify about himself and be right. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2015, 5:52 PM
    2. Even so-called Christians today do not believe the Father's testimony about His son. - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 7:29 PM
      1. Do you? - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 12:37 PM
        1. I believe what the Father testifies of the son in John 8:40. Do you? - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 2015, 6:39 PM
          1. Of course I do. And I believe every other testimony of the Father about the Son. Do you? - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 8:39 PM
            1. As I said, if you know more, tell me. - INCquisitor on Dec 29, 2015, 6:01 PM
              1. So, you here acknowledge that that is all you know of God's testimony of the Son. Ok then. - Michael on Dec 29, 2015, 10:44 PM
                1. Up for INCquisitor - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:47 PM
                2. last post:Up for INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 2:44 AM
    3. UP - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:31 AM
    4. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 5:46 AM
      1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - Michael on Nov 10, 2016, 6:24 AM
        1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 7:20 AM
          1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - Michael on Nov 11, 2016, 3:31 AM
     
 
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