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  1. Jesus in His own words that He is God. If He's not God, He commits blasphemy. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 3, 8:03 AM
    1. The true God said, I am God. If Jesus is God, He should also say I am God. - emmanuel on Jan 3, 10:14 AM
      1. Jesus did say "I am the Lord thy God." in Isaiah 43:3. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 6:40 AM
      2. Felix Manalo admits the true church is the church founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 6:46 AM
        1. I have other sheep not of this fold. - emmanuel on Jan 4, 9:35 AM
        2. Emmanuel, are you an aeta or negrito? Jesus says I have other sheep. (Present tense.) - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 10:16 AM
          1. Isaiah 41:9 - emmanuel on Jan 4, 10:38 AM
            1. Then you must agree that Christians are servants chosen by God - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 9:02 AM
          2. Emmanuel, you are funny. Isaiah is the story about the Jews. Nothing about Filipinos. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 11:28 AM
            1. ends of the earth - emmanuel on Jan 4, 9:18 PM
              1. end of the earth or ends of the earth? - huli_ka on Jan 12, 8:34 PM
                1. ends. with an 's'. - emmanuel on Jan 12, 9:45 PM
                  1. Ends means distant places, not one distant time. - Tomas on Jan 13, 4:47 AM
          3. I agree... Good logic... - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:58 AM
        3. Emmanuel is wishful dreaming again. The Isaiah story and the Old Testament itself is about - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 5, 7:10 AM
      3. The Father saysl Jesus is God. - cyrus2013 on Jan 11, 7:54 PM
        1. You used a wrong translation of the bible. - emmanuel on Jan 12, 12:39 AM
          1. How can you say that your translation is the correct one? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:52 AM
            1. By checking the Greek text. - Tomas on Apr 12, 8:56 AM
              1. And I've learned that the INC uses bible translations - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 9:05 AM
                1. No church is perfect, that is why we should check the Greek - Tomas on Apr 12, 9:10 AM
                  1. Are you sure you really check the Greek text? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 9:22 AM
                    1. Every translation is wrong sometimes. - Tomas on Apr 12, 9:29 AM
              2. I was able to watch some of INC's TV programs trying to - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 9:16 AM
                1. You can't stick to one, because no translation is perfect. - Tomas on Apr 12, 9:25 AM
                  1. So you are sure that your ministers use the right one? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 10:30 AM
                    1. There is also another Greek version that says church of the Lord. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 10:52 AM
                      1. What is the exact text? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:21 AM
                      2. Church of the Lord. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 11:29 AM
                      3. It is Lord Jesus because He has blood while God has no blood. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 7:45 PM
                      4. And I say to you, Jesus is the incarnate God... - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 9:01 PM
                      5. If you will show to me the word incarnation from the Bible, I will believe you. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 9:47 PM
                      6. I know what you are trying to point out... - Joe_516 on Apr 13, 12:05 AM
                      7. Jesus and the apostles never said Jesus was God. Only Catholics said that. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 12:49 AM
                      8. Jesus and the apostles never said Jesus was God. Only Catholics said that. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 12:51 AM
                      9. Thomas said... "My Lord and my God..." - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 1:02 AM
                      10. Whoever says Jesus is God is wrong. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 1:21 AM
                      11. The original text was not written in English... When the evangelists were - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 9:49 AM
                      12. Haven't you studied sentence patterns? - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 9:54 AM
                      13. Did the sentence pattern allows to have three gods. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 10:02 AM
                      14. Only you INC's says that the Catholics has three gods... we say... there is only ONE God.. - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:17 AM
                      15. Probably you are going to bring up the teaching on Trinity - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:24 AM
                      16. Catholics said Trinity was a mystery. When was it revealed. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 7:20 PM
                      17. It was already revealed by Jesus Himself... and it's a mystery - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 3:51 AM
                      18. Trinty is not a mystery. It is FICTION. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 7:40 PM
                      19. You know what, in understanding the Scripture... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:15 AM
                      20. The context of those difficult verses does not clarify it either. - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:55 PM
                    2. Joe 516, our ministers exist in many denominations. - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:52 PM
                2. Because some verse in some translation have a contradiction to other related verse. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 10:51 AM
        2. Arian Goodspeed bible teaches that God is a throne! A FURNITURE! - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 12, 1:16 AM
          1. To avoid being bias. INC do not have their own bible. - emmanuel on Jan 12, 9:52 PM
          2. So is it wrong to refer to Jesus as the Lamb of God, or the bread of life? - Tomas on Jan 13, 4:50 AM
    2. The words of Jesus are clear. You will be damned. "He who believes not will be damned." - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 4, 12:40 AM
      1. The INC members believe too. - Tomas on Jan 13, 4:45 AM
      2. You Tomas and Emmanuel believe in another gospel. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 13, 3:23 AM
        1. The apostles and Jesus Himself preached He's a Man. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 10:07 PM
        2. Emmanuel, nobody disputes that Jesus is man. But Paul says Jesus is God as well. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 14, 4:51 AM
          1. John calls Jesus God. Jesus is himself God. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 14, 4:54 AM
            1. All you got are spurious verses! - Jim on Apr 14, 5:09 AM
          2. Thomas calls Jesus in Greek "the Lord of me and the God of me." - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 14, 3:05 PM
            1. So I guess he was addressing both of them. - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:58 PM
     
  2. The Catholic Faith is the one True Faith established by Jesus. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 4:33 PM
    1. Nah! I don't think so! You are the weeds that the enemy has planted! - Jim on Apr 17, 6:03 AM
      1. Neither. The Catholic church, for all its faults, is part of God's own church. - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:40 PM
     
  3. Apparitions of Lady in Fatima, Portugal - a perverted gospel. ... attention Dean View Thread - PADRE DAMASO on Mar 26, 5:15 AM
    1. You misunderstood the Catholic Church's teaching on the Mediatrix role of Mary, our Mother - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 10:56 AM
    2. If the apparition was of Evil... then it must have lead as astray - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:02 AM
      1. Mary, our Mother, pray for us! - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:04 AM
      2. You understand what the verse meant. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 11:28 AM
        1. The rosary beads that you are referring to is not the - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:21 PM
          1. Can't you pray without the beads? Using beads in prayer is sin. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 8:56 PM
            1. I can pray without the beads... but what is wrong with the beads? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:28 PM
        2. When I pray the Rosary, - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:27 PM
        3. And the verses you showed up could also refer - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:30 PM
          1. INC do not have carved images and rosary. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 8:58 PM
            1. What is formed in your mind when you pray? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 10:55 PM
            2. What is wrong with religious images? i don't worship images... - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:39 PM
              1. God said do not make any graven images, be you revere it or whatever. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 12:54 AM
              2. Emmanuel, you are a hypocrite. Whose graven image is this? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 13, 1:45 AM
                1. You read the last comment. That is for you. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 2:08 AM
                2. So why do you have graven image of Felix Manalo? - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 13, 7:21 AM
                  1. As a memory of him. But not to worship. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 8:52 AM
                    1. Then clearly, you are opposing what you just have said... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 12:02 AM
                    2. Re: As a memory of him. But not to worship. - karlos on Apr 16, 7:06 AM
        4. Have you tried to examine you religion deeply? - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:32 PM
          1. Yes. - emmanuel on Apr 12, 8:58 PM
            1. And I too have... - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:23 PM
            2. Then what does your religion teach you about - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 11:33 PM
              1. No. God surely love us. But do we love God? Do we obey His commandments? - emmanuel on Apr 13, 7:04 AM
                1. If your understanding of the scripture... - Joe_516 on Apr 13, 11:46 PM
                  1. The art was not allowed to be worshiped. - emmanuel on Apr 13, 11:58 PM
                    1. You made a graven image of FYM... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 12:25 AM
                      1. Worship or revere. Because you said you do not worship but revere only. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 1:04 AM
                      2. And here you suddenly change your argument... huh... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 9:26 AM
                      3. You can kiss your loved ones but not the gods/images. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 10:04 AM
                      4. Why would I kneel (in worhsip) to the picture of my loved ones? They just represent humans - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:31 AM
                      5. That is why you cannot make comparison in kissing the picture of your... - emmanuel on Apr 14, 12:24 PM
                      6. And still a catholic.... forever be a catholic... through your baptism... - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 4:00 AM
                      7. And if you say that you worship that image in your mind when you pray, - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 4:05 AM
                      8. Re: You can kiss your loved ones but not the gods/images. - karlos on Apr 15, 7:34 AM
                      9. Kneeling is metaphor of worship. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 7:16 PM
                      10. Re: Kneeling is metaphor of worship. - karlos on Apr 16, 6:55 AM
                      11. No I don't. But I may do it privately in some certain time of my life. - emmanuel on Apr 16, 9:16 PM
                      12. Re: No I don't. But I may do it privately in some certain time of my life. - karlos on Apr 17, 11:22 PM
                      13. I follow what I preach. when I said kneeling I mean it as worship.. - emmanuel on Apr 18, 12:40 AM
                2. You are understanding the commandments very literally as if God is a literal Law-Maker... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 12:45 AM
                  1. Kneeling is worshiping. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 1:48 AM
                    1. Besides, not all kneelings and kissings are worships... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:41 AM
                    2. Re: Kneeling is worshiping. - karlos on Apr 15, 7:39 AM
                  2. As Emmanuel says "kneeling is worshipping" but Emmanuel never kneels for Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 14, 4:31 AM
                    1. Kneeling does not have to be literal. Kneeling is sign of worshiping. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 10:08 AM
                      1. Let me focus on worshiping through prayer... - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 10:38 AM
                      2. God must be worship in spirit. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 12:27 PM
                      3. So you say that when you pray, your mind is totally blank? I doubt it... - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 3:56 AM
                      4. Your understanding of worshiping God in spirit and truth is very shallow... - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 4:02 AM
                      5. You worship not the God but a stone. God has no physical image. He is spirit. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 7:39 PM
                      6. Re: You worship not the God but a stone. God has no physical image. He is spirit. - karlos on Apr 17, 11:23 PM
                      7. God is a psychologist... He knows our human tendency of - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 4:29 AM
                      8. If God were so understanding of idols as some psychologists are, - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:28 PM
                3. Your religion does not teach you that God is merciful? - Joe_516 on Apr 14, 12:47 AM
        5. The entirety of the Bible speaks about LOVE... - Joe_516 on Apr 12, 8:51 PM
          1. Love is not selfish, which means selfless. - cyrus2013 on Apr 13, 6:15 PM
            1. The way you reason out.. you must not have known - Joe_516 on Apr 13, 11:33 PM
            2. You do not understand how the RCC works for and with the poor... - Joe_516 on Apr 13, 11:55 PM
          2. The love of many shall wax cold.... - cyrus2013 on Apr 13, 6:21 PM
     
  4. What happened to the apostles and where are their remains today? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 1:18 PM
    1. No apostles were sent to the Philippines. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 1:24 PM
    2. You are right Dean. If Jesus was thinking of Philipinos, he would have sent an apostle. - Ed_Watson on Apr 16, 2:25 PM
      1. Heres another post by a self proclaimed intellectual! - Jim on Apr 17, 3:12 PM
     
  5. The Kingdom of GOD is the Catholic Church! There is none other. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 15, 1:26 AM
    1. The Kingdom of God will last forever. The Catholic Church is the oldest institution in - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 15, 1:33 AM
    2. You show a verse with the word INCARNATE. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 1:48 AM
      1. Then might as well show a verse with the word BIBLE... - Joe_516 on Apr 15, 3:53 AM
        1. Books is Biblia in Greek and Bible in english. Check the link - emmanuel on Apr 15, 10:38 AM
      2. Re: You show a verse with the word INCARNATE. - karlos on Apr 15, 7:47 AM
        1. FYM is the another angel ascending from the east. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 7:13 PM
          1. Re: FYM is the another angel ascending from the east. - karlos on Apr 16, 6:59 AM
            1. The name of Jesus was not in the O.T. but we believe He was the one being prophesied. - emmanuel on Apr 17, 2:02 AM
              1. Re: The name of Jesus was not in the O.T. but we believe He was the one being prophesied. - karlos on Apr 17, 8:38 AM
      3. Re: You show a verse with the word INCARNATE. - karlos on Apr 15, 7:50 AM
        1. You found incarnate. Good job. - emmanuel on Apr 15, 10:46 AM
          1. Re: You found incarnate. Good job. - karlos on Apr 16, 6:58 AM
            1. FYM was hidden in a pseudonym. The pseudonym is 'another angel'. Rev. 7:2. - emmanuel on Apr 16, 9:21 PM
              1. Re: FYM was hidden in a pseudonym. The pseudonym is 'another angel'. Rev. 7:2. - karlos on Apr 17, 8:31 AM
          2. Jesus warned of false prophets like Felix Manalo. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2:25 AM
            1. Reverse psychology by the devil! - Jim on Apr 17, 5:47 AM
              1. That's a lot of history. - emmanuel on Apr 17, 6:01 AM
            2. OK let's check the fruits of the INC. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 6:39 AM
              1. So what about your fruits? - Jim on Apr 17, 2:50 PM
              2. Dino, check your local bishops name here! - Jim on Apr 17, 2:54 PM
     
  6. Miracle cures in the Catholic Church. Are there any in the INC? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 1:07 PM
    1. Your miracle was created by the Devil so he can deceive you. And the Devil succeeded. - emmanuel on Apr 16, 8:05 PM
      1. You will notice folks that Emmanuel has respect for the devil. He capitalizes his name. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 8:33 PM
        1. I capitalize it because it is a name. - emmanuel on Apr 16, 9:19 PM
          1. Devil is not proper name. Even the bible does not capitalize it. You honor the devil. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 17, 2:12 AM
            1. Check the link. Devil is another name for Satan, your best friend. - emmanuel on Apr 17, 2:27 AM
    2. Jesus is also accused of working for the devil. No miracles ever happen for the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 8:31 PM
      1. Dino! Don't be so proud of your fake miracles - Jim on Apr 17, 5:35 AM
     
  7. Glenn Cessor vs. Edward Watson Debate: Rev 7:1-3 View Thread - ewatson - RESERVED THREAD on Nov 18, 7:44 PM
    1. First short reply (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:19 AM
      1. Response from eWatson (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:20 AM
        1. Response from Glenn on Jeremiah 4 (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:21 AM
          1. Correction Glen, the wind or war in Jeremiah is not about Europe (copied from eWatson) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:22 AM
            1. I didn't say it was about Europe. The chapter is most certainly about Jerusalem. (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:23 AM
            2. The above isn't my post - ewatson on Nov 21, 6:57 AM
              1. sorry - - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 21, 9:46 AM
        2. Next question (copied from Glenn) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:25 AM
          1. Numerology based on 2 Pet 3:8 doesn't work - ewatson on Nov 21, 6:56 AM
            1. "God does not view time using human standards." Get a cup of coffee for this one... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 21, 9:22 AM
              1. A note on that reply - - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 21, 3:43 PM
              2. Sorry, I disagree - ewatson on Nov 21, 6:40 PM
                1. Nice try, Ed - but don't break out the cubans just yet, for the creations of God are... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 22, 11:21 AM
                  1. Fine, have it your way - frames of reference it is - ewatson on Nov 22, 1:49 PM
                    1. No, Ed, apparently you still didn't get it... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 22, 3:24 PM
                      1. Surprise Glenn! I concede - you're correct on the point - ewatson on Nov 22, 5:21 PM
    2. Concerning your post on 'Michael' and the 'Orthodox Church' (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:27 AM
      1. True enough - ewatson on Nov 19, 6:53 PM
        1. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I agree absolutely! - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 20, 10:15 AM
          1. Identical response - ewatson on Nov 21, 7:00 AM
            1. On Isaac Newton and the SDA (no relation to each other, of course) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 21, 9:36 AM
        2. And when it comes to your reference to that Orthodox church... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 20, 10:47 AM
          1. No worries - I'm patient - ewatson on Nov 21, 7:17 AM
            1. Ed - please take your time - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 21, 9:44 AM
    3. Concerning Rev. 8:2 and later... (copied) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 19, 10:28 AM
      1. I agree - ewatson on Nov 21, 7:13 AM
    4. Next statement of belief - on the 'four winds'. (a very long post) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 26, 12:44 PM
      1. Rev 7:1's four winds of the earth not in reference to war - ewatson on Nov 26, 10:54 PM
        1. Concerning those destructive winds... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 27, 11:57 AM
          1. Not once out of 186 NT cases of aggelos is used in reference to mortals - ewatson on Nov 27, 3:18 PM
            1. ...except for the cases you yourself listed (and Rev. 7 in my belief too, of course) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 29, 10:54 AM
              1. ...except to messengers - ewatson on Nov 29, 1:59 PM
                1. Confusion compounded.... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 29, 3:03 PM
        2. Second reply on the destructive winds....(an even longer post) - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 27, 2:58 PM
          1. Impossible for the earth to lose its atmosphere from asteroid impact - ewatson on Nov 28, 8:21 PM
            1. Okay, I admit exaggeration - but the atmospere would still not be breathable... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Nov 29, 1:19 PM
              1. Use a mask! The ppm is like Los Angeles on a bad day - ewatson on Nov 29, 6:09 PM
                1. Nope. Much worse - here's why. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Dec 2, 4:58 PM
                  1. <bump> for a reference for Jasbir. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Feb 14, 3:13 PM
                2. But here's a more logical response - - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Dec 2, 11:13 PM
                  1. Different argument - turning the tables - ewatson on Dec 4, 7:36 PM
                    1. Re: Different argument - turning the tables - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Dec 5, 2:56 PM
            2. Ah, now I understand.... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Dec 7, 9:15 PM
    5. <bump> so I could find it for Francisco's benefit - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jan 27, 6:23 PM
    6. Re: Glenn Cessor vs. Edward Watson Debate: Rev 7:1-3 - deleted on Jul 1, 11:17 PM
      1. Ed? - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Jul 2, 11:47 AM
        1. ain't you find this mormon thing silly? - Rocky on Jul 4, 11:55 PM
          1. Yes, it's silly. This 'deleted' guy just attached himself - Tom on Jul 5, 6:03 AM
    7. I mauled your INC deacon. Destroyed your stupid angel of the east doctrine. - eWatson on Apr 16, 1:11 AM
      1. 'Mauled' you mean physical? - emmanuel on Apr 16, 1:23 AM
     
  8. But I am the pope. Sit down! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 15, 7:17 AM
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  9. Emmanuel, do you worship your wife or girlfriend too? View Thread - Ed_Watson on Apr 14, 11:27 AM
    1. Haven't you adored your wife? - emmanuel on Apr 14, 12:19 PM
      1. So you worship and adore your wife? - Ed_Watson on Apr 14, 2:31 PM
        1. So you haven't adored your wife, is that it? - emmanuel on Apr 14, 7:22 PM
          1. I knew it. You are an imbecile. You cannot answer questions. - Ed_Watson on Apr 14, 7:31 PM
            1. Ed Watson do you beat up your wife! - Jim on Apr 14, 8:23 PM
              1. This is a possibility. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 8:33 PM
                1. I guess so, and lashed out his frustration on us! - Jim on Apr 14, 8:39 PM
            2. You also didn't answer my question. We're even. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 8:33 PM
            3. Ed Watson, pretending to be what you are not is hard to conceal. - Jim on Apr 14, 8:37 PM
              1. You already concluded he hates his wife. lol. - emmanuel on Apr 14, 9:14 PM
     
  10. a tale of View Thread - year2027 on Apr 12, 3:45 PM
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