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  1. Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. View Thread - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 2:15 AM
    1. Yes, clearly the Son is infallible, so he can testify about himself and be right. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2015, 5:52 PM
    2. Even so-called Christians today do not believe the Father's testimony about His son. - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 7:29 PM
      1. Do you? - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 12:37 PM
        1. I believe what the Father testifies of the son in John 8:40. Do you? - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 2015, 6:39 PM
          1. Of course I do. And I believe every other testimony of the Father about the Son. Do you? - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 8:39 PM
            1. As I said, if you know more, tell me. - INCquisitor on Dec 29, 2015, 6:01 PM
              1. So, you here acknowledge that that is all you know of God's testimony of the Son. Ok then. - Michael on Dec 29, 2015, 10:44 PM
                1. Up for INCquisitor - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:47 PM
                2. last post:Up for INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 20, 2016, 2:44 AM
    3. UP - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:31 AM
    4. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 5:46 AM
      1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - Michael on Nov 10, 2016, 6:24 AM
        1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - RGJesus on Nov 10, 2016, 7:20 AM
          1. Re: Do you really want to know Jesus? Part I. - Michael on Nov 11, 2016, 3:31 AM
     
  2. Tomas: On Matthew 28:19, a continuation.... View Thread - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:35 PM
    1. OK, Matt. 28:19 compared to other verses. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:30 AM
      1. So, how does Matthew 28:19 compare to other verses Tomas? - Michael on Mar 9, 2015, 7:21 AM
        1. Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:22 AM
          1. Re: Mt. 28:19 has the command, other verses say they obeyed the command. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 10:00 PM
            1. They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 4:39 AM
              1. Re: They obeyed the command, but the verses don't say what words they used while baptizing. - Michael on Apr 6, 2015, 9:17 AM
                1. So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:22 AM
                  1. Re: So why do you assume what words they used when baptizing? - Michael on Apr 14, 2015, 6:23 PM
                    1. Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 4:38 AM
                      1. Re: Well, they did not baptize ONLY in the name of the Lord Jesus. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 5:13 AM
                      2. They sure didn't. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:01 AM
                      3. Water baptism is the symbolic (visible) act of the invisible HS baptism. You cannot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 5, 2015, 7:00 AM
                      4. I know there are churches like Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Anglican, who believe as you - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      5. Re: They sure didn't. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 6:51 PM
                      6. No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 6:04 AM
                      7. Re: No, they did not baptize under the authority of only one of the 3. - Michael on May 22, 2015, 10:53 AM
                      8. They sure din't, at all. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 2:03 PM
                      9. Re: They sure din't, at all. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 10:35 PM
                      10. Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      11. Re: Oops, I had misspelled the word didn't. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:32 AM
                      12. My assumptions are truth, because they are based exactly on biblical truth. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 6:57 AM
                      13. True assumptions? :) - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      14. You are making assumptions, not proven by scripture. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 12:48 PM
                      15. To the contrary, not I, but you Tomas. And that, you repeatedly admit and have not refuted - Michael on Aug 16, 2015, 1:22 AM
                      16. So are we in agreement then? - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 9:38 AM
                      17. Are we? - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 6:14 AM
                      18. You accuse me of making a wrong assumption, but then you agree with my assumption. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 8:06 AM
                      19. I don't think that is the case. - Michael on Oct 1, 2015, 5:29 AM
                      20. Well, the apostles would not disobey Jesus by sometimes baptizing in the name of only one - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 3:45 AM
                      21. You are entitled to such an opinion. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 7:07 AM
                      22. Well, I believe my opinion is biblical. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 12:40 PM
                      23. Of course you do. - Michael on Oct 5, 2015, 9:08 AM
                      24. What is baptism. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:58 AM
                      25. What is Baptism. - Michael on Oct 13, 2015, 4:49 AM
                      26. Does baptism last short time or not? - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 11:11 AM
                      27. The ceremony of baptism sure is short. - Michael on Oct 28, 2015, 11:40 PM
                      28. Every type of baptism is of short duration. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:33 AM
                      29. Then it is in your case perhaps. - Michael on Nov 12, 2015, 10:10 PM
                      30. In the case of all Christians. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 11:59 AM
                      31. Well, only according to you. - Michael on Jan 6, 2016, 5:33 AM
                      32. According to most Christians. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 5:31 AM
                      33. Re: According to most Christians. - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 8:04 PM
                      34. John's baptism was with water only. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 11:30 AM
                      35. It was the baptism of repentance. - Michael on Jan 25, 2016, 7:42 PM
                      36. Because they were supposed to repent before he baptized them in water. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 3:38 AM
                      37. About Baptism. - Michael on Oct 22, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      38. Yes, about baptism. - Tomas on Oct 22, 2016, 8:51 PM
                      39. Re: Yes, about baptism. - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 9:56 AM
                      40. Water baptism in the Old Testament? - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 7:40 PM
                      41. Re: Water baptism in the Old Testament? - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 9:43 AM
                      42. OK, I understand you now. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 10:28 PM
                      43. End of discussion then. - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 6:04 AM
     
  3. 1]. Tomas and all, consider this scripture: John 2:19-22 View Thread - Michael on May 12, 2016, 10:20 PM
    1. My answers depend on a question the Bible does not really answer: Was he totally dead? - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 1:33 PM
      1. Those who don't believe in Christ wanted people to believe that Jesus was not totally dead - Michael on May 15, 2016, 2:27 AM
        1. I know he was mortal, he did die. The issue is whether all of him died, or his body. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 4:20 PM
          1. Issue only for you Tomas. No such thing as partially dead or completely dead. - Michael on May 26, 2016, 9:22 AM
            1. But to you, when we die, only our body dies. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 11:36 AM
              1. Re: But to you, when we die, only our body dies. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 12:13 PM
                1. I believe that when we die, all of us dies. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 5:39 PM
                  1. Re: I believe that when we die, all of us dies. - Michael on May 29, 2016, 6:20 AM
                    1. All of us dies. - Tomas on Jun 19, 2016, 1:24 AM
                      1. Re: All of us dies. - Michael on Jun 19, 2016, 8:21 AM
                      2. Jesus did not die like we die. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 10:49 PM
                      3. Re: Jesus did not die like we die. - Michael on Jul 15, 2016, 1:08 PM
                      4. The unsaved die the second death like animals die. - Tomas on Jul 16, 2016, 9:16 PM
                      5. Re: The unsaved die the second death like animals die. - Michael on Jul 17, 2016, 11:18 AM
                      6. Though animals don't sin, they still die eternally the same as the unsaved. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 AM
                      7. Not the issue. - Michael on Jul 27, 2016, 7:36 AM
                      8. Is the spirit really alive, when it can't even think? - Tomas on Jul 30, 2016, 7:32 PM
                      9. Re: Is the spirit really alive, when it can't even think? - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 4:56 AM
                      10. So even if the spirit is asleep but not dead, it is not thinking. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 10:18 PM
                      11. Re: So even if the spirit is asleep but not dead, it is not thinking. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:06 PM
                      12. When a person dies, the soul dies. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:11 PM
                      13. Re: When a person dies, the soul dies. - Michael on Aug 21, 2016, 10:13 AM
                      14. Of course the body without the spirit is dead. - Tomas on Aug 28, 2016, 2:09 AM
                      15. Re: Of course the body without the spirit is dead. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 2:45 AM
                      16. About death. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 8:38 PM
                      17. Re: About death. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 5:56 AM
                      18. More about death. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 6:09 PM
                      19. Re: More about death. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 1:54 AM
                      20. And more about death. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      21. Re: And more about death. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      22. Still more about death. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 8:56 PM
                      23. Re: Still more about death. - Michael on Oct 18, 2016, 8:58 AM
                      24. about death. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 3:24 AM
                      25. Re: about death. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 6:32 AM
                      26. about death and the parable of the rich man. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 1:04 AM
                      27. Re: about death and the parable of the rich man. - Michael on Oct 30, 2016, 2:17 AM
                      28. About respecting each other. - Tomas on Nov 6, 2016, 11:36 PM
                      29. End of discussion - Michael on Nov 9, 2016, 4:12 AM
    2. The Bible says God resurrected Jesus (Acts 17:31; Romans 10:9).. - INCquisitor on May 15, 2016, 9:00 AM
      1. Yes, the Bible says so. But that is not the issue here. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 11:35 AM
        1. Jesus does NOT contradict himself. - INCquisitor on May 20, 2016, 5:44 PM
          1. Of course He won't and did not. - Michael on May 21, 2016, 12:02 PM
            1. John 2:21: "But he was speaking of the TEMPLE OF his body." - INCquisitor on May 22, 2016, 8:57 AM
              1. John 2:21 ekeinos de elegen peri tou naou tou sōmatos autou - Michael on May 22, 2016, 10:43 AM
                1. God RAISED Jesus from the dead (Acts 17:31; Rom. 10:9). - INCquisitor on May 29, 2016, 10:04 AM
                  1. Why ignore the issues I raised in my post? Can't refute? Well... - Michael on May 29, 2016, 12:14 PM
                    1. Why TWIST John 2:19-22 to make it appear that Jesus raised HIMSELF from the dead? - INCquisitor on Jun 19, 2016, 6:56 AM
                      1. I'm not twisting INCquisitor. You just deny what scriptures says there. - Michael on Jun 21, 2016, 10:09 AM
                      2. Tell me. What is the "temple of Jesus' body" that John referred to? - INCquisitor on Aug 28, 2016, 8:41 AM
                      3. Re: Tell me. What is the "temple of Jesus' body" that John referred to? - Michael on Aug 29, 2016, 10:50 PM
                      4. Context CANNOT make the words of Apostle Paul FALSE! - INCquisitor on Sep 3, 2016, 7:53 AM
                      5. That's right. So, it doesn't. - Michael on Sep 3, 2016, 8:42 AM
                      6. If Paul is correct in saying that GOD raised Jesus from the dead.... - INCquisitor on Sep 4, 2016, 8:45 AM
                      7. Re: If Paul is correct in saying that GOD raised Jesus from the dead.... - Michael on Sep 5, 2016, 11:43 AM
                      8. Re: If Paul is correct in saying that GOD raised Jesus from the dead.... - INCquisitor on Oct 23, 2016, 12:00 PM
                      9. Re: If Paul is correct in saying that GOD raised Jesus from the dead.... - Michael on Nov 8, 2016, 8:07 PM
    3. Up for Tomas and INCquisitor - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 5:49 AM
     
  4. Scriptures says NO MAN has seen and can see the only immortal invisible God. View Thread - Michael on Oct 11, 2016, 4:17 AM
    1. Verses like these are used by some Christians to argue that Christ is not God. - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 1:52 PM
      1. Re: Verses like these are used by some Christians to argue that Christ is not God. - Michael on Oct 16, 2016, 3:45 AM
        1. Yes, God made himself visible. - Tomas on Oct 16, 2016, 7:18 PM
          1. Re: Yes, God made himself visible. - Michael on Oct 17, 2016, 5:30 AM
            1. Has the Son seen God in his full glory? - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 9:11 PM
              1. Re: Has the Son seen God in his full glory? - Michael on Oct 26, 2016, 11:13 AM
                1. I sure don't know. I wonder if anyone does. - Tomas on Oct 29, 2016, 6:13 PM
                  1. Re: I sure don't know. I wonder if anyone does. - Michael on Oct 29, 2016, 11:26 PM
                    1. OK, thanks, now I know too. - Tomas on Nov 7, 2016, 12:10 AM
                      1. Welcome Tomas. It's my joy. Thanks be to God. - Michael on Nov 8, 2016, 8:50 PM
     
  5. Tomas, and all: What is scriptures for? View Thread - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 7:08 AM
    1. Yes, most importantly for salvation, also for instruction in righteousness. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 7:45 AM
      1. So, for you scriptures is for salvation, instruction in righteousness, and - Michael on Oct 24, 2015, 10:18 AM
        1. OK, I will answer for each verse. - Tomas on Oct 24, 2015, 10:58 AM
          1. My comments now. - Michael on Oct 28, 2015, 10:39 PM
            1. Yes, the scriptures are for all this, but also for proof. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:44 AM
              1. Apparently you miss to see the point of this thread, Tomas. - Michael on Nov 10, 2015, 6:07 AM
                1. Sure, it's for revelation, but if the revelation does not convince us, we are not saved. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 1:43 PM
                  1. Not the issue here Tomas. - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 12:23 AM
                    1. To reveal would be futile without us being convinced by the proof there. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 7:35 AM
                      1. Again, not really the issue in the OP Tomas. - Michael on Dec 15, 2015, 12:21 PM
                      2. If nobody were convinced by the proof, then the revelation would be futile. - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 10:57 AM
                      3. Revelation of God is never futile Tomas. It perfectly accomplish what it was meant to do. - Michael on Dec 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      4. Sure, for those saved saved through the scriptures. Like you and me. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 11:31 PM
                      5. For all, Tomas. Only that there are who see and believe, and who don't. - Michael on Dec 30, 2015, 9:20 PM
                      6. For those who don't believe, the scriptures don't accomplish much, certainly not their - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 2:27 AM
                      7. Scriptures affects all men Tomas, and accomplishes it's purpose. - Michael on Jan 4, 2016, 11:20 AM
                      8. How do scriptures affect people who have never even heard of scriptures? - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 7:32 AM
                      9. Are you really asking this question Tomas? - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 8:07 AM
                      10. OK, so it depends on what it means somebody is affected. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 6:05 PM
                      11. More on Gal. 3:2 - confined under sin - Michael on Jan 11, 2016, 12:01 PM
                      12. Yes, more on that. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 1:10 PM
                      13. Apparently you fail to understand what I'm saying in my post Tomas. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 8:02 PM
                      14. OK, a reexamination of what it means that all were confined under sin. - Tomas on Jan 23, 2016, 9:57 PM
                      15. That's good Tomas. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 1:54 AM
                      16. OK, so about New Covenant commandments. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 9:01 AM
                      17. Re: OK, so about New Covenant commandments. - Michael on Feb 23, 2016, 2:00 AM
                      18. About New Covenant commandments. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 12:30 PM
                      19. Unbelievers are not in covenant with God. - Michael on Mar 2, 2016, 1:47 PM
                      20. Of course they are not in covenant. Still, when they steal or whatever, they sin. - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 6:33 PM
                      21. You really find it hard to get the point, don't you Tomas? - Michael on May 6, 2016, 11:08 AM
                      22. In speaking of God's universal law, are you referring to the laws in Genesis? - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 10:42 PM
                      23. Re: In speaking of God's universal law, are you referring to the laws in Genesis? - Michael on May 8, 2016, 7:13 AM
                      24. Interesting analysis, you claim an unwritten law. So you think conscience is infallible? - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 8:31 PM
                      25. Infallible conscience? Scriptures does not speak of one such conscience. - Michael on May 15, 2016, 2:38 PM
                      26. Interesting, so you think the Old Covenant is still in effect, for Israelites. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 7:45 PM
                      27. Re: Interesting, so you think the Old Covenant is still in effect, for Israelites. - Michael on May 28, 2016, 3:40 AM
                      28. Sorry, but your statements still leave me unsure of what is your belief. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 6:35 AM
                      29. Re: Sorry, but your statements still leave me unsure of what is your belief. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 1:17 PM
                      30. I believe I understand you much better now. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 6:47 PM
                      31. Re: I believe I understand you much better now. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 12:08 PM
                      32. I don't think that Jesus is repeatedly nailing laws to the cross, every time of salvation. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 5:25 PM
                      33. Re: I don't think that Jesus is repeatedly nailing laws to the cross, every time of salvation. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 10:22 AM
                      34. The law in our hearts is still in effect. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 8:14 PM
                      35. Re: The law in our hearts is still in effect. - Michael on Aug 9, 2016, 7:56 AM
                      36. You are again talking as if law is repeatedly nailed to cross, any time a person is saved. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 8:36 PM
                      37. Perhaps because you don't get to understand why I write. - Michael on Aug 14, 2016, 4:47 AM
                      38. That the law was nailed to the cross, that has nothing to do with salvation. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 7:51 PM
                      39. Re: That the law was nailed to the cross, that has nothing to do with salvation. - Michael on Aug 24, 2016, 11:02 AM
                      40. That has nothing to do with salvation. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 10:16 PM
                      41. Re: That has nothing to do with salvation. - Michael on Sep 8, 2016, 7:57 AM
                      42. Not all Jews are under the Law of Moses. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 5:21 PM
                      43. Re: Not all Jews are under the Law of Moses. - Michael on Oct 2, 2016, 2:17 AM
                      44. I think we are dealing with a confusion about what is true Judaism. - Tomas on Oct 2, 2016, 3:16 AM
                      45. Re: I think we are dealing with a confusion about what is true Judaism. - Michael on Oct 9, 2016, 9:52 AM
                      46. OK, then who are the Jews? - Tomas on Oct 15, 2016, 7:15 PM
                      47. Re: OK, then who are the Jews? - Michael on Oct 19, 2016, 4:29 AM
                      48. So who are the Jews. - Tomas on Oct 23, 2016, 12:26 AM
                      49. Re: So who are the Jews. - Michael on Oct 23, 2016, 11:17 AM
                      50. Jews and other Israelites. - Tomas on Oct 30, 2016, 1:20 AM
    2. INCquisitor, don't you know what is Scriptures for? Why do you even read it then? - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 6:43 PM
    3. INC, learn what Scriptures is for here, for your good sake. - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 6:46 PM
    4. 2 Timothy 3:15-17 sums it all. - INCquisitor on Dec 19, 2015, 7:19 AM
      1. INCquisitor, what about Galatians 3:22? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 9:54 AM
        1. So, INCquisitor, don't you know anything about this one? - Michael on Dec 29, 2015, 2:46 AM
          1. How about telling me what you think for a change? - INCquisitor on Dec 29, 2015, 3:01 PM
            1. Ok, INCquisitor's request granted. - Michael on Dec 30, 2015, 12:34 AM
              1. INCquisitor is here I see. Care to comment on this? - Michael on May 15, 2016, 12:08 PM
     
  6. Who is the God spoken of in scriptures? View Thread - INCquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 12:20 PM
    1. While the Father is the only true God, this only true God might include more - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:09 PM
      1. What makes you THINK that "this ONLY TRUE God.... - INCquisitor on Dec 14, 2015, 4:32 AM
        1. There are hints in the Bible that the Son could be God too, for example - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
          1. Do you know what "logical thinking" is Tomas? - INCquisitor on Dec 20, 2015, 5:44 AM
            1. Sure, I do. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 1:48 AM
              1. You call this logical and rational thinking? - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 4:47 PM
                1. Sure, I do. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2015, 5:26 PM
    2. eh-yeh - Michael on Dec 15, 2015, 11:32 AM
      1. I see now, you are referring to the Hebrew word ehyeh, meaning "I will be". - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 1:31 AM
        1. I am referring to the name God gave to Moses in the Hebrew language, to tell Israel. - Michael on Dec 26, 2015, 2:53 AM
          1. I know that. The reason the transcription says eh.yeh, was to divide the syllables. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 7:33 AM
            1. Oh sorry for typing it eh-yeh instead of ’eh·yeh. - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 2:33 AM
              1. I guess those who made this interlinear Bible are trinitarians. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2015, 5:30 PM
                1. You are free to guess. But surely, they have studied Hebrew and Greek. - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 12:22 PM
                  1. Yes, they have. But these translators into English were not native speakers of Hebrew. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 3:27 AM
                    1. And so are you and me. - Michael on Jan 2, 2016, 9:35 PM
                      1. We don't know if the Septuagint scholar who translated Ex. 3:14 was a native speaker of - Tomas on Jan 3, 2016, 6:09 PM
                      2. 70 JEWISH scholars. But if you are a skeptic, well... - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 9:22 PM
                      3. 70 Jewish scholars. But that does not mean that they all discussed each verse. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 8:29 AM
                      4. Think as you like Tomas. And perhaps you are far more of a scholar than they are. - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 12:20 PM
                      5. I know they knew Hebrew better than I do. But translating from one language - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 1:12 PM
                      6. So, you know better than them in translating from Hebrew to Greek? - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 4:06 AM
                      7. Some of them were likely native speakers of Hebrew, so they knew that ehyeh means - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 7:17 PM
                      8. For sure they were JEWISH scholars of the Hebrew and Greek language. - Michael on Jan 11, 2016, 6:23 AM
                      9. Of course they were. Some were probably native speakers of Greek, some of Hebrew. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 5:07 PM
                      10. Native or not, they are Jewish SCHOLARS. - Michael on Jan 22, 2016, 7:27 PM
                      11. Yes, but that did not make their translation inerrant. - Tomas on Jan 23, 2016, 10:14 PM
                      12. And that does not make one like you be the judge if their work is erroneous or not. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 1:28 AM
                      13. Surely if we see a very non-literal translation, we can judge it as inexact. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 9:49 AM
                      14. Re: Surely if we see a very non-literal translation, we can judge it as inexact. - Michael on Feb 23, 2016, 3:24 AM
                      15. Inexact translations, and about modalism. - Tomas on Feb 27, 2016, 12:11 PM
                      16. Re: Inexact translations, and about modalism. - Michael on Mar 3, 2016, 1:40 AM
                      17. Yahweh and ehyeh, modalism - Tomas on Mar 5, 2016, 6:00 PM
                      18. Re: Yahweh and ehyeh, modalism - Michael on May 7, 2016, 10:42 AM
                      19. More about Yahweh and ehyeh, modalism. - Tomas on May 7, 2016, 9:45 PM
                      20. Re: More about Yahweh and ehyeh, modalism. - Michael on May 8, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      21. name of God, modalism - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 10:59 PM
                      22. Re: name of God, modalism - Michael on May 15, 2016, 3:14 AM
                      23. The Father's one name, modalism - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 10:25 PM
                      24. Re: The Father's one name, modalism - Michael on May 22, 2016, 2:14 AM
                      25. More about the one name of the Father, and about modalism. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 9:43 AM
                      26. Oops, I skipped answering the first sections, about the name. Sorry. So now I'll be done. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 9:59 AM
                      27. Re: Oops, I skipped answering the first sections, about the name. Sorry. So now I'll be done. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 6:47 AM
                      28. Titles, and omnipotence and free will of God. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 10:57 PM
                      29. Re: Titles, and omnipotence and free will of God. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 9:33 AM
                      30. Titles and names, and the omnipotence and free will of God. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 6:48 PM
                      31. Re: Titles and names, and the omnipotence and free will of God. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 9:06 AM
                      32. Titles and names, and the free will of God. - Tomas on Jul 23, 2016, 8:42 PM
                      33. Re: Titles and names, and the free will of God. - Michael on Jul 23, 2016, 10:29 PM
                      34. God is not forced not to sin. - Tomas on Jul 31, 2016, 7:56 PM
                      35. What? God not forced to sin? - Michael on Aug 4, 2016, 2:53 AM
                      36. I mean the opposite, God is not forced NOT to sin. - Tomas on Aug 6, 2016, 6:57 PM
                      37. Re: I mean the opposite, God is not forced NOT to sin. - Michael on Aug 7, 2016, 2:02 AM
                      38. God has free will, no matter what. - Tomas on Aug 13, 2016, 11:07 PM
                      39. Nobody here says God don't Tomas. - Michael on Aug 13, 2016, 11:28 PM
                      40. God has free will, so he is totally free to sin. - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 10:38 PM
                      41. Re: God has free will, so he is totally free to sin. - Michael on Aug 22, 2016, 7:11 AM
                      42. He is free to sin. - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 11:15 PM
                      43. Re: He is free to sin. - Michael on Aug 28, 2016, 1:11 AM
                      44. It is the same God. - Tomas on Sep 3, 2016, 10:47 PM
                      45. Re: It is the same God. - Michael on Sep 4, 2016, 1:06 AM
                      46. OK, then as you wrote, nothing further. - Tomas on Sep 10, 2016, 8:10 PM
     
  7. Michael, do you believe the Son has one will, both human and divine, distinct from the View Thread - Tomas on Aug 20, 2016, 11:41 PM
    1. Here's what I personally think about this issue. - Michael on Aug 27, 2016, 9:04 AM
      1. OK, thanks. Clearly you are not like the Catholic church, which centuries ago condemned - Tomas on Aug 27, 2016, 6:58 PM
     
  8. Translate freely in English, the Greek NT scriptures View Thread - Michael on Oct 5, 2015, 9:43 AM
    1. Here's another to translate. - Michael on Oct 10, 2015, 4:26 AM
      1. This was a bit harder, without the macrons above vowels. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 5:51 AM
        1. As i said, translate freely Tomas. - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 6:28 AM
          1. OK, very freely I can say "Whatever was from the beginning, which we have heard, - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 8:29 AM
            1. So that's how you translate it. Thanks. - Michael on Nov 19, 2015, 11:31 AM
              1. Verses 1 and 2 speak of the Word of life, and of the life, which the Word is of. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 8:04 AM
                1. Christ is the life, the light. - Michael on Jan 8, 2016, 10:46 AM
                  1. No verse calls Christ the life. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 4:23 AM
                    1. John 14:6 “I am the way, the truth, and THE LIFE .... - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 5:03 AM
                      1. So John bore witness of the life and the Christ, of both. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 10:46 AM
                      2. Tomas, tell us how John bore witness of the eternal life. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 10:07 AM
                      3. Of course the Bible does not give all the sayings of John, but it does give one verse - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 2:05 PM
                      4. That's not the issue, Tomas. Please address the issue. - Michael on May 14, 2016, 11:50 PM
                      5. John was sent to bear witness of the life, so of course he did not disobey. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 10:36 PM
                      6. Re: John was sent to bear witness of the life, so of course he did not disobey. - Michael on May 22, 2016, 1:00 AM
                      7. No verse says he disobeyed in this. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 10:55 AM
                      8. Re: No verse says he disobeyed in this. - Michael on Jun 3, 2016, 10:47 AM
                      9. We enter the kingdom of heaven, when we are resurrected to eternal life. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 10:49 AM
                      10. Re: We enter the kingdom of heaven, when we are resurrected to eternal life. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 5:04 AM
                      11. John the Baptist was sent to do several tasks. - Tomas on Jun 18, 2016, 11:31 PM
                      12. Re: John the Baptist was sent to do several tasks. - Michael on Jun 25, 2016, 8:07 AM
                      13. Yes, several tasks. - Tomas on Jun 25, 2016, 7:55 PM
                      14. Re: Yes, several tasks. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 8:28 AM
                      15. Re: Yes, several tasks. - Michael on Jul 18, 2016, 8:32 AM
    2. The first one is 1 John 5:20. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 5:39 AM
      1. Translate freely Tomas. - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 6:27 AM
        1. OK, freely. We also know that the Son of God has come and has let us know - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 8:35 AM
          1. So, that's how you translate it. - Michael on Nov 17, 2015, 9:34 AM
            1. The Son of Him (of the Father). - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 8:19 AM
              1. The Son of Him (the Son of God) - Michael on Jan 8, 2016, 8:07 PM
                1. In the Son of God, of course. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 4:34 AM
                  1. Re: In the Son of God, of course. - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 7:40 AM
                    1. We are in both. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 10:48 AM
                      1. We are in Him (not in them) who is true. God is true. Christ is true. - Michael on May 9, 2016, 10:18 AM
                      2. The verse does not say the Son of God is true too. - Tomas on May 14, 2016, 4:10 PM
                      3. If does not, does it mean you don't believe that the Son of God is true? - Michael on May 14, 2016, 11:38 PM
                      4. The Son is true, just like the holy angels are true, for example. - Tomas on May 21, 2016, 10:45 PM
                      5. Scriptures does not have anything about the Son being true like the angels. - Michael on May 22, 2016, 1:06 AM
                      6. So what? Logically the holy angels are true, while the fallen angels are false, evil. - Tomas on May 28, 2016, 11:08 AM
                      7. Re: So what? Logically the holy angels are true, while the fallen angels are false, evil. - Michael on Jun 4, 2016, 9:42 AM
                      8. OK, then we seem to be in agreement. - Tomas on Jun 4, 2016, 10:57 AM
                      9. Re: OK, then we seem to be in agreement. - Michael on Jun 18, 2016, 5:09 AM
     
  9. I Am Done with EVM View Thread - truthfinder on Feb 3, 2016, 1:29 AM
    1. Yes, God does not like dictatorships, so he does not want our churches to be run - Tomas on Feb 6, 2016, 7:02 AM
     
  10. INCs claim to be the only Christians, yet they reject the evolution that God created View Thread - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 10:22 AM
    1. Does science say humans evolved from apes? - INCquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 11:52 AM
      1. Yes, science says humans evolved from some ancient apes. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:15 PM
        1. God created man, not by the evolution that science theorize. - Michael on Dec 15, 2015, 11:37 AM
          1. Gen. 2:7 can indeed be interpreted as God creating Adam of the dust of the ground, - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:58 AM
            1. Do you believe that Adam was the first man or not? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:05 AM
              1. In a way, Adam was the first man. He was the first man responsible to God. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 11:51 PM
                1. In short, you really don't believe that Adam was the first "man", human. - Michael on Dec 26, 2015, 5:04 AM
                  1. Adam was the first real man, able to be saved. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2015, 6:04 AM
                    1. You want to fool around? Who is the first non-real man? An ape? - Michael on Dec 28, 2015, 11:08 PM
                      1. Scientists don't consider them apes. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 2:40 AM
                      2. Well, I don't really care what they call them. - Michael on Jan 4, 2016, 10:39 AM
                      3. OK, so let's consider what God considers them to be. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 7:41 AM
                      4. As I said, stop fooling around Tomas. You know better than that. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 5:41 AM
                      5. OK, if you don't want to call them Homo sapiens, it's a free country. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 6:33 PM
                      6. Then, they are what scriptures call them. They are not called 'man' or 'not real man'. - Michael on Jan 11, 2016, 10:53 AM
                      7. Scriptures don't call them anything, they are not explicitly mentioned there. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 1:55 PM
                      8. More thoughts about the gap theory. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 4:20 PM
                      9. Re: More thoughts about the gap theory. - Michael on Jan 24, 2016, 2:42 AM
                      10. So let's discuss it more. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 7:16 AM
     
 
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