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  1. Dean O'Gowan, please don't respond to my previous post, but to this one. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:24 AM
    1. That would be a good initial step, but to be really biblical, - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:32 PM
      1. Blablabla..I told you in the other forum how wrong you are. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 9:38 AM
     
  2. What must men "believe in Christ" in order to be saved? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 7:27 AM
    1. We have to believe all the mandatory beliefs about Christ, - Tomas on May 2, 10:44 PM
      1. Please cite scrtptures to support your beliefs, - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 3:33 AM
        1. Some of the mandatory beliefs are in 1 Cor. 15:2-8, - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:55 AM
    2. Believe His person, His works, His words. Who He is, what He did, what He says. - Michael on Jul 1, 10:49 PM
      1. Please cite scriptures to support your beliefs. - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 3:32 AM
        1. And you, what is your answer to your post? - Michael on Jul 2, 5:54 AM
          1. Clearly you can't provide scriptures to prove your claim, - Tomas on Jul 5, 2:59 AM
            1. Tomas, is there anything (in His person, works, & words) you don't believe in Christ? - Michael on Jul 5, 4:17 PM
              1. I believe everything about him revealed in Bible that - Tomas on Jul 11, 7:48 PM
                1. That's good, and that should be the case. - Michael on Jul 13, 5:25 AM
                  1. Please show me the verse which says.... - INCquistor on Jul 13, 6:46 PM
                    1. Here you go again, with the same old overused tactic. - Michael on Jul 13, 8:51 PM
                      1. Re: Here you go again, with the same old overused tactic. - Karlos on Jul 13, 11:10 PM
                  2. Michael, my answers to your questions on salvation. - Tomas on Jul 18, 11:57 PM
    3. "Believing in Christ" is ABIDING in his doctrine. - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 7:00 PM
      1. So, is this your answer to your OP? His doctrines? How about His person and works? - Michael on Jul 6, 1:36 AM
        1. That's why your doctrines are false. - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 6:54 AM
          1. So, it's clear. That is your answer to your question. - Michael on Jul 6, 9:47 AM
            1. You won't abide in Christ's doctrine if you don't believe, would you? - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 3:31 PM
              1. Elementary INCQUISITOR, that is not what your own OP ask of. - Michael on Jul 7, 8:56 PM
                1. If you are truly that dense, what you must believe in Christ is his doctrine. - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:58 AM
                  1. If that is what it is for you, then I'm sorry to say, you missed the Gospel. - Michael on Jul 8, 12:16 PM
    4. Man must also believe in the "gospel of Christ." - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 4:59 AM
      1. Apparently you missed the Gospel. - Michael on Jul 8, 12:17 PM
     
  3. Dean O'Gowan, have you heard that Pope Francis is considering to allow priests to marry? View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 17, 8:22 AM
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  5. is christ a human being just like us..hello mikey View Thread - tf on Apr 3, 11:02 PM
    1. Yes, except that he is divine and has no sin, not like the sinful us. - Michael on Apr 4, 12:13 AM
      1. hmmm trinity is a being and Christ is a human being..how many being? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 2:45 AM
        1. Got logical issues TF? You can't refute the humanity and divinity of Christ by mere - Michael on Apr 4, 8:22 AM
          1. bible is logical truth is logical..miracle is different matter - tf on Apr 4, 9:51 AM
            1. trinity is 1 being christ is human being how many beings mike do you worship as God? - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:33 AM
            2. Of course it is the same. Miracle is supernatural and so is God. - Michael on Apr 7, 10:52 PM
              1. you r now denying thst christ until now is a human being with flesh and bone - tf on Apr 8, 12:07 AM
                1. Whether or not he is a human again, he no longer has flesh and bone. - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:44 PM
                2. You don't have much of an argument there TF. - Michael on Apr 18, 11:56 AM
                  1. Do you believe Christ is human now? - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:16 AM
                    1. Yes I do. Of course, not to mention that He never ceased to be God. - Michael on Apr 22, 2:07 AM
                      1. there is a problem for you my friend - tf on Apr 22, 6:43 PM
                      2. I have no problem my friend. - Michael on Apr 22, 8:23 PM
                      3. there is..human being is different than trinity being - tf on Apr 24, 8:26 AM
                      4. Well, if u see it that way. That's your trinity understanding, which is - Michael on Apr 24, 10:40 AM
                      5. you dont consider christ a human being? - tf on Apr 25, 5:51 AM
                      6. TF, when will you gonna understand what I say? - Michael on Apr 25, 12:35 PM
                      7. Michael, in Gal. 1:12, Paul wrote he was not given the gospel by a man, - Tomas on Apr 25, 5:37 PM
                      8. Re: Michael, in Gal. 1:12, Paul wrote he was not given the gospel by a man, - Michael on May 1, 7:44 AM
                      9. Yes, Paul did mean he did not receive the gospel from a man, like - Tomas on May 2, 9:37 PM
                      10. Re: Yes, Paul did mean he did not receive the gospel from a man, like - Michael on May 14, 9:56 PM
                      11. Re: Yes, Paul did mean he did not receive the gospel from a man, like - Tomas on May 16, 6:44 PM
                      12. Was the apostleship of Paul superior than the rest of the apostles? - Michael on May 16, 11:51 PM
                      13. Of course not, the apostles were equal, except there - Tomas on May 17, 9:08 AM
                      14. Re: Of course not, the apostles were equal, except there - Michael on May 18, 7:08 AM
                      15. Christ always ranked above normal men or angels, no matter when he was a man or not. - Tomas on May 24, 1:43 AM
                      16. Is that so? Try to consider what scriptures about this Tomas. - Michael on Jul 15, 2:05 AM
                    2. If Paul's authority came from Christ consequently the authority came from God - Wayne on Jun 20, 1:23 PM
                      1. So compare John 20:21 with Gal. 1:1. - Tomas on Jun 21, 6:05 AM
                      2. Even in our time, - Wayne on Jun 22, 7:10 AM
                      3. Well, Paul was not made an apostle by a man. So Christ was not a man - Tomas on Jun 28, 3:49 AM
    2. aside from trinity being there is also a human being - tf on May 15, 1:28 AM
      1. The way I see it, you don't understand a thing in what I'm saying. - Michael on May 15, 2:46 PM
        1. explain human being vis a vis trinity being - tf on May 16, 6:00 AM
          1. Understand incarnation and you'll get close to understanding Christ being man and God. - Michael on May 16, 2:12 PM
            1. so how do you count 1 human being and one trinity being? - tf on May 16, 10:45 PM
              1. As I said, your understanding fails you. Read and comprehend what I wrote. - Michael on May 16, 10:54 PM
                1. if christ is not another one being from god - tf on May 17, 2:21 AM
                  1. I'm sorry TF, if your understanding fails you and comes short of comprehension. - Michael on May 18, 7:11 AM
                    1. is that all that u can answer .that u understand the mystery - tf on May 19, 7:45 AM
                      1. I have already explained the Trinity, but you insist in your own definition of it. - Michael on May 19, 2:02 PM
                      2. when christ is a human being..based in your argument - tf on May 20, 10:34 AM
                      3. You are the only one who thinks and insist of two beings. - Michael on May 20, 7:17 PM
                      4. so that exposed your denial that there was a human being christ - tf on May 20, 10:51 PM
                      5. It just proves that what you are refuting is your own understanding of Trinity. - Michael on May 21, 1:29 PM
                      6. and do you understand your trinity'?? - tf on May 27, 10:28 PM
                      7. Trinitarians don't believe God is one person with 3 wills. - Tomas on May 30, 8:05 PM
            2. Incarnation: a man-made doctrine. - INCquisitor on May 18, 5:47 AM
              1. Re: Incarnation: a man-made doctrine. - Michael on May 18, 7:35 AM
                1. Re: Incarnation: a man-made doctrine. - INCquisitor on May 18, 12:34 PM
                  1. Re: Incarnation: a man-made doctrine. - Michael on May 18, 10:21 PM
                    1. the invention of the trinity according to the scholars - tf on May 22, 10:30 PM
              2. tf misquotes the New Catholic Encyclopedia. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 28, 4:09 AM
     
  6. All that INC can say about the Trinity of God is that, for them, it is illogical. View Thread - Michael on Apr 3, 9:16 PM
    1. Or that it is unbelievable. - Michael on Apr 3, 9:17 PM
    2. For they can't refute scriptures that testifies to the name of God. - Michael on Apr 3, 9:18 PM
    3. The name of the three dive persons of God ( the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). - Michael on Apr 3, 9:19 PM
      1. * divine - Michael on Apr 3, 9:20 PM
      2. without inserting you preconceived idea, which verse t says of a three person god? - truthfinder on Apr 3, 9:32 PM
        1. No verse directly express a three person God. - Michael on Apr 4, 12:15 AM
          1. thx for admitting that - truthfinder on Apr 4, 2:50 AM
            1. Welcome. And that doesn't refute the truth of the Trinity of God. - Michael on Apr 4, 8:10 AM
              1. it proves that there is no biblical teaching about the trinity. - tf on Apr 4, 9:53 AM
                1. Still, the Bible does not say God cannot be a trinity. So it is possible. - Tomas on Apr 4, 10:32 PM
                  1. You are wrong Tomas. Jesus tell us that the only true God is the Father. - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 5:31 AM
                    1. You misunderstands John 17:3. - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:16 PM
                      1. Psalms 86:10 NAB: For you are great and do wondrous deeds; and you alone are God. - Wayne on Apr 14, 10:31 PM
                      2. That psalm does refer to Yahweh, which is the Father's name, but - Tomas on Apr 19, 1:01 AM
                      3. What does "only" mean? - Wayne on Apr 14, 11:12 PM
                      4. Yes, but in John 17:3, the 'only' modifies the God, not - Tomas on Apr 19, 1:06 AM
                      5. Read preceding verse "Father, the time has come.... - Wayne on Apr 21, 5:18 PM
                      6. I know the 'you' refers to the Father. But still, Jesus did not say - Tomas on Apr 25, 7:32 PM
                      7. "yet for us there is but one God, the Father,... - Wayne on Apr 27, 1:19 PM
                      8. Yes, the Father is but one God, but that one God can include - Tomas on May 2, 11:34 PM
                      9. You seem to think that you can fool everyone into thinking - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 3:59 PM
                      10. I don't fool anyone. I do recognize that 'only' means basically the same - Tomas on Apr 19, 1:10 AM
                2. So that is INC's BEST refutation? Well, that only shows what mind INC have. - Michael on Apr 4, 11:09 PM
                  1. So are you saying the truth about trinity was finally revealed at the Council - Tomas on Apr 4, 11:26 PM
                    1. No I'm not. That's what TF assumes to make his argument. - Michael on Apr 4, 11:54 PM
                      1. OK, and I can agree with that, and add that the truth about - Tomas on Apr 5, 2:00 AM
                      2. While I don't agree with you with regards the Trinity, I respect what it is you hold now. - Michael on Apr 5, 2:53 AM
                      3. Michael, if someone asks me who Jesus is, I emphasize - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:26 PM
                      4. Jesus has revealed to his disciples who the Father is. - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 5:48 AM
                      5. We do know that about the Father, he is truly God, - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:34 PM
                      6. The Father has revealed to us that the son is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 4:06 PM
                      7. Of course he was a man when he spoke in John 8:40. But - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:12 AM
                      8. You misunderstand 1 Peter 3:18 and Gal. 1:12 - INCquisitor on Apr 26, 7:39 AM
                      9. You misunderstand Gal. 1:12. - Tomas on May 2, 11:22 PM
                      10. you cannot say it is truth if you don't understand it - tf on Apr 9, 1:20 AM
                      11. EMMAN, it is you, not me, who don't understand the trinity of God that I'm saying. - Michael on Jul 6, 5:46 AM
                  2. Did Jesus reveal the Trinity of God as "truth?" - INCquisitor on Apr 8, 4:03 PM
                    1. Re: Did Jesus reveal the Trinity of God as "truth?" - Michael on Apr 18, 1:04 PM
                      1. Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - INCquisitor on Apr 26, 7:20 AM
                      2. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - Michael on Apr 26, 11:27 PM
                      3. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - INCquisitor on May 10, 8:37 PM
                      4. Re: Jesus did NOT reveal a Triune God as the truth. - Michael on May 14, 11:49 PM
                      5. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jun 29, 3:39 AM
                  3. actually michaels truth is read from athanasian creed - tf on Apr 9, 1:23 AM
     
  7. THE VALUE OF KNOWING THE TRUE GOD View Thread - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:30 AM
    1. We Christians do know God, but there is a lot we don't know about him. - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:55 PM
    2. proof 1 - tf on May 12, 4:21 PM
    3. tf cherry picks the bible and ignore biblical verses that call Jesus God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 12, 7:35 PM
      1. In John 20:28, Thomas was talking to Jesus about the Father. - Tomas on May 16, 9:13 PM
    4. proof 2 - tf on May 12, 10:39 PM
    5. proof 3 - tf on May 14, 3:28 AM
      1. It is possible that sometimes in the Bible God refers to the Father alone, while at other - Tomas on May 16, 9:16 PM
        1. what an idiot reply - tf on May 22, 10:22 PM
          1. But that is the belief of most Christians, including both trinitarians and - Tomas on May 23, 11:48 PM
            1. more than idiots but blind - tf on May 27, 3:28 AM
              1. But Paul has also declared that we all see through glass darkly, - Tomas on May 30, 8:51 PM
    6. proof 4 Jesus Identified Our God for us. - tf on May 16, 10:44 PM
      1. Again, trinitarians and binitarians will argue that sometimes - Tomas on May 17, 10:31 AM
    7. Titus 2:13-15 - ...our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 6:21 PM
      1. titus - tf on May 19, 7:50 AM
        1. Titus 2:13 - One, Not Two - ncv, jr. on May 19, 2:06 PM
          1. the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - tf on May 20, 10:36 AM
            1. Re: the one appearing is the glory of the god.. - ...Glory of God, not God Himself on May 20, 1:23 PM
            2. ... glory of God, not God Himself ... - ncv, jr. on May 20, 1:24 PM
              1. it is the glory of God that can appear - tf on May 20, 10:57 PM
    8. tf proved that the Father is God. He failed to prove that Jesus is not God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 17, 6:37 PM
      1. proof that jesus is not God - tf on May 20, 4:46 AM
        1. Re: proof that jesus is not God - ncv, jr. on May 20, 9:58 AM
          1. can god be tempted? - tf on May 21, 10:57 PM
            1. James 1:13 - ncv, jr. on May 23, 1:25 AM
              1. jesus is good not because he is god - tf on May 23, 2:37 PM
                1. "I am in the Father ..." - ncv. jr. on Jun 11, 9:42 AM
                  1. I don't know how tf interprets it, but my interpretation is - Tomas on Jun 14, 9:26 AM
      2. tf fails. He ignored the fact that Jesus has two natures. He is God as well as man. - Dean O'Gowan on May 20, 4:58 PM
        1. let's turn to the bible for the direct explanation - tf on May 20, 11:10 PM
      3. tf of church founded by Felix Manalo ignore biblical proofs that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 5:17 PM
        1. Jesus Christ Is God Incarnate - Dean O'Gowan on May 21, 5:18 PM
          1. god is with us.. - tf on May 21, 10:52 PM
    9. Proof 5.shema - tf on May 22, 4:42 AM
    10. Jesus created the world. No man is creator. - Dean O'Gowan on May 23, 5:47 PM
      1. incorrect understanding. - tf on May 23, 7:32 PM
        1. But what about Heb. 1:10-12? How can you say - Tomas on May 24, 12:34 AM
          1. it refers to the father - tf on May 24, 4:20 AM
            1. That looks so doubtful, that the author of Hebrews - Tomas on May 24, 12:34 PM
              1. more doubtful and totally absurd ... - tf on May 24, 5:13 PM
                1. The Son, if he preexisted, is the co-creator who created at his Father's direction - Tomas on May 30, 9:02 PM
    11. Proof 6. Paul Identifies the One God of Christians as One Person, the Father. - tf on May 27, 3:27 AM
      1. 1 Cor. 8:4 does not say one person, does not say the Father. - Tomas on May 30, 9:14 PM
    12. proof 8 Christ worhips the one true God - tf on Jun 3, 3:13 AM
    13. proof 7 Christ inferior to the God - tf on Jun 3, 3:15 AM
      1. ... and the head of Christ is God. - ncv, jr. on Jun 3, 8:34 AM
    14. Jesus in his humanity in inferior to God. But He is equal to God in his divinity. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 7:00 PM
      1. What are you saying about that Iglesia? - Tomas on Jun 21, 8:36 AM
      2. You are wrong again Tomas. The Iglesias believe that Jesus is a created being. Not begotte - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 8:20 PM
        1. The INC believes Jesus is created and begotten by God. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2:48 AM
      3. Tomas, you will die in your sins, as Jesus says. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 28, 3:21 PM
        1. A created being cannot be a creator? - Tomas on Jul 5, 3:36 AM
        2. So you agree with the Iglesias that Jesus is man only. So how can a man create the world? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 5, 4:11 AM
          1. No, he might be God too. And he might not be a man today. - Tomas on Jul 5, 4:40 AM
     
  8. HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 7:26 AM
    1. Re: HOW is Christ the MEDIATOR between the one God and Man? - Michael on Jun 29, 5:20 AM
      1. Your response is off-topic. - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 5:43 PM
        1. Is it? Perhaps, it's not just the answer you want. - Michael on Jun 29, 10:16 PM
      2. you don't need to give your own explanation michael - tf on Jul 2, 10:44 PM
        1. You do really have to check your comprehension TF. Read the question carefully at the OP. - Michael on Jul 2, 11:14 PM
          1. i dont need to comprehend your self explanation, i will listen to paul - tf on Jul 3, 1:22 AM
            1. A little help. HOW? That is the question. - Michael on Jul 3, 11:24 AM
          2. tf, be honest. You listen to your false prophet FYM, not Paul, John, Tomas and Peter. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2:47 PM
    2. tf and IncQ have a mind of 4 year old. They keep arguing that Jesus is man is like arguing - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2:35 AM
      1. Jesus is 100% man, just like Obama is 100% man. There is no disputing that. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2:37 AM
      2. But these 4 year old minds can't comprehend that Obama is president, Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 2:50 AM
        1. Compare Col. 2:9 with 1 Cor. 8:6 and Eph. 4:4-6. - INCquisitor on Jul 3, 4:44 PM
        2. IncQ, do you agree that in the time of Jesus, the Jews were also worshipping IDOLS? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 3, 5:47 PM
          1. Whether the Jews woshiped idols or not.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 6:04 AM
        3. IncQ, on the contrary, it will explain why Jesus says that the Father is the only true God - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 8:55 PM
    3. Your turn INCQUISITOR. What is your answer to your question in the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 9:16 PM
     
  9. Be honest IncQ. You really don't have faith in Jesus. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 6:19 AM
    1. RCC not founded by the real Jesus Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 4:38 PM
    2. IncQ is still begging the question. He says the Catholic Church is not founded by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 8:48 PM
     
  10. Two kinds of "truth:" physical "truth" and spiritual "truth." View Thread - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 12:49 PM
    1. Truth is perceived, both "physical truth" and "spiritual truth" - Michael on Apr 5, 1:55 PM
      1. The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 6, 11:38 AM
        1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 18, 2:30 PM
          1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 21, 5:48 PM
            1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on Apr 25, 12:30 PM
              1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on Apr 25, 8:30 PM
                1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 1, 6:41 AM
                  1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 6, 5:29 PM
                    1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 15, 4:38 PM
                      1. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - INCquisitor on May 18, 3:29 PM
                      2. Re: The only "spiritual things" are those that concern religion. - Michael on May 19, 11:31 PM
                      3. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 1, 10:43 PM
     
  11. Free Course Teaches why Jesus Christ is the Only Way to Salvation. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 8:24 PM
    1. Yes, so how can your Catechism of the Catholic Church - Tomas on Jun 28, 2:23 AM
     
 
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