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  1. Why do children of INC members get baptized at age 12? View Thread - INCquisitor on Jan 9, 2016, 6:44 AM
    1. Good question. It is of course based on some faulty beliefs. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 9:38 AM
    2. What is the "baptism" of 12 year-old INC children for? - INCquisitor on Jan 11, 2016, 4:27 AM
    3. Why can't any INC member or minister address this topic? - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2016, 4:44 AM
      1. I haven't seen any INC member on this forum for months already. - Tomas on Jan 30, 2016, 2:27 AM
     
  2. Jesus said, "you do not know where I come from and where I am going". Do you know? View Thread - Michael on Dec 24, 2015, 12:09 AM
    1. Let's allow scriptures to answer your quuestion. - INCquisitor on Dec 25, 2015, 11:07 AM
      1. So Jesus came from God. Where is God's throne? In heaven. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 8:47 PM
        1. Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:2). Do you know what this means? - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 8:29 AM
          1. Do you? - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 9:51 AM
            1. Jesus "came in the flesh" - NOT as God or spirit that BECAME a man. - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 2:52 PM
              1. What do you say was Jesus when He was with His Father before He was sent to the world? - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 9:08 PM
                1. Do you know what Jesus was before the Father sent him. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2016, 7:27 AM
                  1. A man who came in the flesh? Can you explain what that mean? - Michael on Jan 28, 2016, 8:32 PM
          2. INCquisitor, yes, I know what it means. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2015, 5:47 PM
            1. No, you don't know what "came in the flesh" means. - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 8:18 PM
              1. I do know what it means. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 4:00 AM
                1. Re: I do know what it means. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2016, 8:41 AM
                  1. I sure know what it means. - Tomas on Jan 20, 2016, 11:25 PM
      2. As you say, from scriptures we find the answer. - Michael on Dec 27, 2015, 1:41 AM
        1. Jesus "came in the flesh" (1 John 4:2). Do you know what that means? - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 2015, 9:24 AM
          1. Certainly INCquisitor. - Michael on Dec 30, 2015, 10:24 PM
            1. Do you know HOW Jesus is the way to life? - INCquisitor on Jan 1, 2016, 4:24 PM
              1. Do you not know WHERE Jesus comes from INCquisitor? - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 6:19 PM
                1. Jesus "proceeded forth and came from God." - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2016, 7:01 AM
                  1. I know. - Michael on Jan 17, 2016, 10:08 AM
                    1. If Jesus were LITERALLY in heaven BEFORE he was sent into the world, was he God? - INCquisitor on Jan 29, 2016, 9:07 AM
                      1. That is for you to analyze INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 29, 2016, 5:57 PM
    2. Up for you, INCquisitor, since I see you are back. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 9:27 AM
    3. Up for INCquisitor - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 4:17 AM
      1. Up again for INCquisitor. - Tomas on Jan 16, 2016, 5:31 PM
     
  3. Hi, Saleem ... View Thread - ncv on Nov 5, 2013, 9:42 AM
    1. Saleem is a Catholic but is he using a Muslim's name? - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:02 PM
      1. ...but why is he using a Muslim's name? - Kumag Ka on Nov 14, 2013, 8:03 PM
        1. Maybe he is a convert from Islam. - Tomas on Nov 15, 2013, 4:47 PM
          1. somebody said he is a Catholic; if so, he couldn't use a muslim name, otherwise - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 2013, 5:58 PM
            1. While the Catholic church recommends us adopting a saint's name, - Tomas on Nov 22, 2013, 8:35 PM
              1. muhammad is obviously a muslim name - Observer2 on Nov 23, 2013, 2:40 PM
                1. My last name, Sedlacek, means a little farmer. Yet - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 5:33 PM
        2. Kumag Ka, Saleem explains his pseudonym below. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2013, 5:39 PM
    2. Hi ncv! Just passing by, won't guarantee I'll be here often though - Saleem on Nov 28, 2013, 2:52 AM
      1. Saleem ... - ncv, jr. on Jan 29, 2016, 2:33 PM
     
  4. INCQUISITOR said: Jesus said "serve him - NOT worship him." View Thread - Michael on Oct 25, 2015, 11:56 AM
    1. Depending on context, "serve" means a variety of things. - INCquisitor on Oct 25, 2015, 1:08 PM
      1. Really? Obviously that's only your own making, INCquisitor. - Michael on Oct 26, 2015, 5:12 AM
        1. Re: Really? Obviously that's only your own making, INCquisitor. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2015, 7:21 PM
          1. INCquisitor said disciples of Christ, such as him, don't serve Jesus. - Michael on Oct 26, 2015, 10:46 PM
            1. UP for INCquisitor - Michael on Nov 17, 2015, 8:08 AM
              1. UP INCquisitor - Michael on Nov 23, 2015, 4:53 PM
              2. Up for INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 15, 2016, 3:30 PM
     
  5. 1 John 1:1-2,5. Christ is God incarnate. (INCquisitor's requested thread) View Thread - Michael on Nov 22, 2015, 2:39 AM
    1. If Jesus were God incarnate, how many Gods were there in the beginning, today and forever? - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2015, 3:32 PM
      1. If God incarnated, did He became two Gods by it? No, He just incarnated. - Michael on Nov 22, 2015, 9:01 PM
        1. You say the "word that was WITH God "incarnarted," right? - INCquisitor on Nov 23, 2015, 4:36 AM
          1. Why did you suddenly evaded the entire thread? There are questions before you there. - Michael on Nov 23, 2015, 9:33 AM
            1. Re: Why did you suddenly evaded the entire thread? There are questions before you there. - INCquisitor on Nov 23, 2015, 5:53 PM
              1. Re: Why did you suddenly evaded the entire thread? There are questions before you there. - Michael on Nov 23, 2015, 8:02 PM
                1. "God incarnate" does not mean "God becoming a man." - INCquisitor on Nov 26, 2015, 7:35 AM
                  1. So what does it mean for you? - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 10:07 AM
                    1. "God incarnate" means "God embodied in flesh." - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 4:52 PM
                      1. The Word was God. The Word became flesh. What is not flesh became flesh. - Michael on Dec 8, 2015, 1:08 PM
        2. The thread point where INCquisitor ran off. UP for INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 14, 2016, 8:29 PM
     
  6. In relation to John 17:1-3, does not the Jews know who the true God is? View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 12:49 PM
    1. Why would the ancient Jews know? Many of them still believed in false gods. You need to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 15, 2015, 6:36 PM
      1. So, you believe that Jews in the time of Jesus at least, don't know who the true God is? - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:21 PM
        1. I bet, some knew. Others still believed in a multitude of gods. All of them didn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 16, 2015, 1:12 PM
          1. It's not if they believe in a multitude of gods or not Guenter. - Michael on Jun 25, 2015, 11:10 AM
            1. You need to look at the entire prayer. "...that they MAY know you...". Some Jews believed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2015, 8:24 AM
              1. You need to look at the issue in this thread. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:13 AM
    2. Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 8:46 AM
      1. Re: Michael, the Hellenistic Jews were often polytheist, but the Jews of the Pharisee - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:07 AM
        1. I don't believe that all Jews who ever lived will be saved. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 8:44 AM
          1. Re: I don't believe that all Jews who ever lived will be saved. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 6:59 PM
            1. I can answer that. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:52 AM
              1. Not quite. - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 3:41 AM
                1. Not quite? But we seem to be in agreement. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 11:01 AM
                  1. That's good, if that is the case. - Michael on Aug 16, 2015, 12:23 AM
                    1. Verse 3 does not provide a definition of 'eternal life', what it is, what it means. - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 10:16 AM
                      1. Then read again John 17:3 and tell us what it says Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2015, 3:59 AM
                      2. OK, I will. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 8:22 AM
                      3. Much appreciated, Tomas. - Michael on Aug 30, 2015, 12:50 AM
                      4. Eternal life would not even be considered 'life'? - Tomas on Sep 5, 2015, 8:36 AM
                      5. That's how I would describe it. - Michael on Sep 29, 2015, 10:04 PM
                      6. Nobody will receive eternal life of any type, unless he is a saint. - Tomas on Sep 30, 2015, 1:26 AM
                      7. Jesus tells us a WHAT and not a HOW in John 17:3 - Michael on Sep 30, 2015, 11:36 AM
                      8. Jesus tells us what is the purpose of eternal life, in John 17:3. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:42 AM
                      9. Not quite again Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 5:54 AM
                      10. OK, John 15:13. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 6:49 AM
                      11. Force it then Tomas. You are a linguist. You know whom you are kidding. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 8:14 AM
                      12. Well, the dispute is whether hina always means 'in order that' or not. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 11:43 AM
                      13. Re: Well, the dispute is whether hina always means 'in order that' or not. - Michael on Oct 5, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      14. What is eternal life. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 6:42 AM
                      15. Re: What is eternal life. - Michael on Oct 13, 2015, 7:14 AM
                      16. About eternal life. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 10:29 AM
                      17. Yes, about eternal life (John 17:2-3) - Michael on Oct 29, 2015, 8:59 AM
                      18. Of course eternal life is much more than just life forever. - Tomas on Oct 31, 2015, 7:10 AM
                      19. That's good. At least you accept that eternal life is really much more than living forever - Michael on Nov 12, 2015, 10:21 PM
                      20. That's right, no eternal life in the lake of fire, they will be totally dead forever. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 8:38 AM
                      21. Not eternal life in the lake of fire, but eternal death. - Michael on Jan 7, 2016, 11:56 AM
                      22. Eternal total death. No more consciousness. Dead ashes. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 8:38 AM
                      23. What consciousness & ashes you speak of the man, I suppose is that connected to the flesh. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 4:16 AM
                      24. There will be ashes instead of flesh or consciousness in the lake of fire. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2016, 6:59 PM
                      25. Second death, in the lake of fire, different from the first. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 8:50 PM
                      26. And Michael, since you wanted to discuss the lake of fire on a separate post, - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 4:55 AM
    3. The Jews who were given to Jesus knew who the only true God is and the son whom He sent. - INCquisitor on Nov 15, 2015, 3:43 PM
      1. Jesus is the Son of God, so God is His Father, and so He calls to Him "Abba, Father". - Michael on Nov 17, 2015, 5:41 AM
        1. The Jews who were given to Jesus certainly knew who the ONLY TRUE God is.+ - INCquisitor on Nov 17, 2015, 2:55 PM
          1. Those who will be given to Jesus will know the Father and the Son. - Michael on Nov 18, 2015, 3:48 AM
            1. You MISINTERPRET Acts 13:48, Rom. 11:7, and Col. 3:12. - INCquisitor on Nov 18, 2015, 7:16 PM
              1. No I don't. It's just you don't agree with it. - Michael on Nov 19, 2015, 3:23 AM
     
  7. Is there a love greater than one laying down his life for his friends? View Thread - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 10:28 PM
    1. According to the Lord Jesus, there is none. - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 8:34 AM
      1. Do you believe the Lord Jesus INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 13, 2015, 10:47 AM
    2. What do you say about this INCquisitor, Tomas, INC? - Michael on Dec 6, 2015, 6:41 PM
      1. Father's love is equal to Son's love for us. - Tomas on Dec 12, 2015, 8:06 AM
        1. Can you answer the question Tomas? - Michael on Dec 13, 2015, 10:45 AM
          1. The answer is no. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2015, 10:06 PM
            1. Here's the next question Tomas. - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 10:17 AM
              1. What did God do to demonstrate His love towards us? - Tomas on Dec 19, 2015, 11:44 AM
                1. So Tomas, whose love is greater, Jesus' or God's? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:20 AM
                  1. The love of God and his Son are equal. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 8:38 PM
                    1. Are you in denial Tomas? - Michael on Dec 25, 2015, 9:02 PM
                      1. No, my answer is consistent with the Bible. - Tomas on Dec 25, 2015, 10:30 PM
                      2. Re: No, my answer is consistent with the Bible. - Michael on Dec 31, 2015, 3:01 PM
                      3. Don't you know yet what no greater love means? - Tomas on Jan 2, 2016, 12:43 AM
                      4. You're fooling around again Tomas. - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 11:29 AM
                      5. I am not fooling around. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2016, 5:50 PM
                      6. And you are. - Michael on Jan 3, 2016, 9:34 PM
                      7. I don't believe I am fooling myself. - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 8:10 AM
                      8. Then if not, perhaps you have a comprehension problem? - Michael on Jan 9, 2016, 12:35 PM
                      9. Perhaps you have a comprehension problem? - Tomas on Jan 9, 2016, 12:56 PM
                      10. Not me. You. - Michael on Jan 10, 2016, 5:22 AM
    3. Jesus gave his life for the church that he built 2000 years ago (Eph. 5:25). - INCquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 5:31 AM
      1. Can you answer the simple question INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 13, 2015, 10:48 AM
        1. Why ask me? You don't believe what Christ says, don't you? - INcquisitor on Dec 13, 2015, 11:10 AM
          1. Why can't I ask you? Afraid again of such simple questions? - Michael on Dec 13, 2015, 12:26 PM
            1. Your question is IMPERTINENT and IRRELEVANT. - INCquisitor on Dec 14, 2015, 4:36 AM
              1. Whenever simple questions comes your way, the excuse is "impertinent and irrelevant" - Michael on Dec 14, 2015, 10:16 AM
                1. What did God do to demonstrate His love toward us? - INCquisitor on Dec 17, 2015, 6:06 PM
                  1. So, INCquisitor, whose love is greater, God's or Jesus'? - Michael on Dec 20, 2015, 8:22 AM
                    1. God gave His son for the world. Jesus laid down his life for his friends. - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      1. And apparently you don't believe in Jesus, but believe in yourself. - Michael on Dec 23, 2015, 1:47 PM
                      2. You accuse me FALSELY because you can't properly refute what I wrote.. - INCquisitor on Dec 23, 2015, 7:04 PM
                      3. Accuse you falsely? Have not refuted? Are you that blind INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 23, 2015, 10:26 PM
                      4. Yes, you accuse me falsely. - INCquisitor on Dec 25, 2015, 11:44 AM
                      5. See the evidence I presented, that I didn't falsely accuse you, INCquisitor. Refute it. - Michael on Dec 25, 2015, 8:42 PM
                      6. And you can't give an honest answer to the question, right INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 23, 2015, 1:48 PM
                      7. You ask, "Whose love is greater, God's or Jesus'? " - INCquisitor on Dec 25, 2015, 11:47 AM
                      8. Re: You ask, "Whose love is greater, God's or Jesus'? " - Michael on Dec 31, 2015, 3:21 PM
                      9. The ONLY true God or the Trinitarian god? - INCquisitor on Jan 1, 2016, 10:14 AM
                      10. Are you a friend of Jesus' Father, the God in heaven? - Michael on Jan 1, 2016, 6:22 PM
     
  8. Jesus of the Holy Scriptures, the Bible. View Thread - Michael on Sep 6, 2015, 12:47 AM
    1. No scripture to support FALSE belief that Jesus is the "incarnated word." - INCquisitor on Sep 21, 2015, 8:14 AM
      1. John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, - Tomas on Sep 21, 2015, 7:28 PM
        1. Your interpretation is TWISTED to make the Bible fit your FALSE beliefs. - INCquisitor on Sep 22, 2015, 5:26 PM
          1. Your interpretation is twisted because it is unbiblical. - Tomas on Sep 22, 2015, 8:11 PM
            1. It's you interpretation that's TWISTED Tomas. - INCquisitor on Sep 23, 2015, 7:08 PM
              1. My interpretation is based on the Bible. Yours is faulty. Look inside. - Tomas on Sep 26, 2015, 7:34 AM
                1. Re: My interpretation is based on the Bible. Yours is faulty. Look inside. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2015, 6:18 PM
                  1. The Word still exists, and continues to be the Son, like in the beginning. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 7:20 PM
      2. really? - Nom on Sep 23, 2015, 7:04 AM
        1. That's Rom. 8:3. Literally it says "in the flesh", not "by being incarnate". - Tomas on Sep 26, 2015, 7:45 AM
          1. no! incarnate is the word on that verse that i've cited! - Nom on Sep 28, 2015, 11:48 PM
            1. When I said literally, I was referring to the literal Greek text. - Tomas on Sep 29, 2015, 8:09 PM
      3. Incarnated "word" is not false belief INCquisitor. - Michael on Sep 24, 2015, 11:40 AM
        1. "Incarnated word" is NOT Biblical, therefore FALSE! - INCquisitor on Sep 25, 2015, 4:54 PM
          1. It is biblical, therefore True. - Michael on Sep 26, 2015, 6:07 AM
            1. You say, "incarnated (embodied) in flesh." John 1:14 says, "became flesh." - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2015, 8:57 PM
              1. Incarnate means something not flesh is embodied in flesh. - Michael on Sep 28, 2015, 7:29 AM
                1. The word "incarnate" is not found in the Bible. It's as simple as that. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2015, 5:46 PM
                  1. Re: The word "incarnate" is not found in the Bible. It's as simple as that. - Nom on Sep 28, 2015, 11:49 PM
                  2. Such old INC mentality and excuse on the works for you there INCquisitor. It's that simple - Michael on Sep 29, 2015, 1:01 AM
                    1. Thje "word" was NOT "embodied" in flesh. The "word" BECAME flesh! - INCquisitor on Oct 4, 2015, 11:15 AM
                      1. The word (that is not flesh) literally became flesh. What English word denotes that? - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 10:19 AM
                      2. John 1:14 according to Trinitarians. - INCquisitor on Oct 9, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      3. Can't keep up with the discussion INCquisitor? - Michael on Oct 9, 2015, 9:22 AM
                      4. I'm beginning to think I'm wasting time with you. - INCquisitor on Oct 9, 2015, 4:35 PM
                      5. Wasting time? Perhaps because your bible gets thinner as we discuss. - Michael on Oct 10, 2015, 3:33 AM
                      6. Because the words of Jesus written in John 8:40 and John 17:3 PREVAIL - INCquisitor on Oct 10, 2015, 5:52 PM
                      7. And what you make of these two verses to mean is what makes your Bible thinner? - Michael on Oct 12, 2015, 10:43 AM
                      8. That's what makes me a true Christian. I am a true follower of Christ. - INCquisitor on Oct 13, 2015, 5:52 AM
                      9. How could one who trash God's words be a true Christian? - Michael on Oct 14, 2015, 5:34 AM
                      10. A true Christian is one who believes in Christ and abides in his doctrine. - INCquisitor on Oct 14, 2015, 3:41 PM
                      11. That's right. But in what Bible? In your thin bible of selected verses? - Michael on Oct 14, 2015, 7:29 PM
                      12. It is non-sense to believe that CONTRADICTING verses are BOTH equally true. - INCquisitor on Oct 16, 2015, 2:34 PM
                      13. It is arrogance to trash God's words due to interpretation that makes them contradictory - Michael on Oct 16, 2015, 11:16 PM
                      14. Only a LIAR would TWIST what is TRUE to defend a FALSE doctrine. - INCquisitor on Oct 17, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      15. A false teacher, usually a self-declared teacher or messenger, does that. - Michael on Nov 15, 2015, 9:40 PM
                      16. FALSE teachers are LIARS too. - INCquisitor on Nov 20, 2015, 3:54 PM
                      17. Yes they are. - Michael on Nov 20, 2015, 8:44 PM
                      18. The words of Jesus are TRUE no matter what the context is. - INCquisitor on Nov 21, 2015, 5:22 AM
                      19. Yea, and God's words are true no matter what the context is :) - Michael on Nov 21, 2015, 2:38 PM
                      20. I'm glad you agree that "context" does not make God's words UNTRUE. - INCquisitor on Nov 21, 2015, 8:40 PM
                      21. Context does not touch the truthfulness of God's words, but touches its meaning. - Michael on Nov 22, 2015, 3:42 AM
                      22. "Context" could result in TWISTING the meaning of scripture. - INCquisitor on Nov 22, 2015, 4:20 PM
                      23. Of course, wrong context results to wrong interpretation. - Michael on Nov 22, 2015, 9:48 PM
                      24. What is your right "context" to make Jesus NOT only a MAN and.... - INCquisitor on Nov 23, 2015, 4:29 AM
                      25. Why do you not understand and want to repeat answering you over and over the same question - Michael on Nov 23, 2015, 10:20 AM
                      26. How does "context" change the meaning of John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Nov 23, 2015, 5:19 PM
                      27. Still asking? - Michael on Nov 24, 2015, 12:41 PM
                      28. Re: Still asking? - INCquisitor on Nov 25, 2015, 4:13 PM
                      29. Apology accepted. - Michael on Nov 27, 2015, 10:13 AM
                      30. Re: Apology accepted. - INCquisitor on Nov 29, 2015, 6:23 PM
                      31. Re: Apology accepted. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 4:27 AM
                      32. Jesus is among others who people believe to be true gods. - INCquisitor on Dec 5, 2015, 1:39 PM
                      33. That's your interpretation INCquisitor, because of your hate towards trinitarians. - Michael on Dec 5, 2015, 11:28 PM
                      34. I didn't know YOU interpret scriptures out of hate or love for others! - INCquisitor on Dec 6, 2015, 9:11 AM
                      35. Such display of lack of comprehension really INCquisitor, I'm sorry to point that again. - Michael on Dec 9, 2015, 10:21 AM
                      36. TWISTING what you call the trinity nature of God? Just answer my questions please! - INCquisitor on Dec 9, 2015, 6:46 PM
                      37. Evading now the rest of this thread INCquisitor? - Michael on Dec 9, 2015, 8:01 PM
                      38. You are running out of sensible argument, that's why. - INCquisitor on Dec 12, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      39. And you never run out of excuse, INCquisitor. - Michael on Dec 24, 2015, 1:20 AM
                      40. Irrational arguments are the worst excuse for fanaticism. - INCquisitor on Dec 25, 2015, 9:25 AM
                      41. Re: Irrational arguments are the worst excuse for fanaticism. - Michael on Jan 2, 2016, 12:18 PM
     
  9. According to John 10:18, Jesus has the POWER to take his life back again. View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
    1. Jesus had that power even if he was totally dead, body, soul and spirit. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:10 PM
      1. That's what can be understood in John 10:17-18 - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 1:24 AM
        1. I did not mean to suggest Elisha's bones had that power without God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 1:06 AM
          1. But you did mean that the bones resurrected the dead man. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:37 PM
            1. To you it sounds like foolishness, but don't underestimate the abilities of God. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:18 PM
              1. And who underestimate God? Not me. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 6:48 PM
                1. Don't misunderstand me, don't twist my words. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                  1. Did I twist your words Tomas? Not so. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 6:44 AM
                    1. OK, so you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'so'. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      1. Is that so Tomas? - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 3:51 PM
                      2. OK, let's drop the 'so' and discuss more interesting stuff. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:07 PM
                      3. Tomas: my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 1:46 AM
                      4. My answers to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 2:55 AM
                      5. Tomas: my comments. - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      6. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:21 PM
                      7. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 12:01 PM
                      8. Michael, more comments to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:12 PM
                      9. Tomas, more of the truth for you. - Michael on Jan 5, 2015, 11:18 PM
                      10. So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:50 AM
                      11. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 12:54 AM
                      12. Re: So let's discuss what truth is revealed and not revealed in the Bible. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 1:06 AM
                      13. So let's discuss some more. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:49 AM
                      14. Ok Tomas, let's discuss some more. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 7:32 AM
                      15. Yes, let's discuss more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:05 AM
                      16. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Feb 26, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      17. OK, Michael, more discussion. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:26 AM
                      18. Ok Tomas. - Michael on Mar 11, 2015, 12:05 AM
                      19. About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 12:10 AM
                      20. Re: About dwelling bodily, preaching, Trinity, faith. - Michael on Mar 16, 2015, 10:04 AM
                      21. More about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:44 AM
                      22. Re: More about these topics. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 1:15 AM
                      23. Still more about these topics. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:27 AM
                      24. Re: Still more about these topics. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      25. And more about these issues. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:40 AM
                      26. Re: And more about these issues. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:18 AM
                      27. More about these things. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:42 AM
                      28. Re: More about these things. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 1:17 PM
                      29. And more about these. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:42 AM
                      30. Re: And more about these. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 6:58 AM
                      31. More about these issues, mainly about Christ. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:00 AM
                      32. Re: More about these issues, mainly about Christ. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      33. And more about these issues. - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      34. Re: And more about these issues. - Michael on May 16, 2015, 11:15 PM
                      35. More about God, Christ, his death, and doctrines about him. - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 4:28 PM
                      36. Re: More about God, Christ, his death, and doctrines about him. - Michael on May 23, 2015, 11:07 PM
                      37. More about all these things. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 5:02 AM
                      38. Re: More about all these things. - Michael on Aug 9, 2015, 5:11 AM
                      39. Trinity, salvation, Christ not sinning. - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 10:46 AM
                      40. Re: Trinity, salvation, Christ not sinning. - Michael on Aug 27, 2015, 10:37 AM
                      41. More about Trinity, salvation, decision of Christ not to sin. - Tomas on Aug 29, 2015, 7:01 AM
                      42. ok, more it is Tomas. - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 7:09 AM
                      43. Yes, more discussion about these issues. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 7:53 AM
                      44. Re: Yes, more discussion about these issues. - Michael on Nov 20, 2015, 4:21 AM
                      45. Fullness means the condition of being full. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 7:24 AM
      2. Tomas, now you also don't understand Rev. 3:14. That adds to your ignorance regarding - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:46 PM
        1. So give me your interpretation of Rev. 3:14, so we can - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Many have tried to explain the verse to you already. Why would I think you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:50 PM
            1. OK, you think neither of us can persuade the other. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:16 PM
              1. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:06 PM
                1. Well, tell Jesus he is an idiot for believing some are gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:28 PM
                  1. Jesus was referring to Psalm 82:6. Those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:01 PM
                    1. Of course those gods were men, not competitors to God. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:06 PM
                      1. You're admitting again to be an anti-trinitarian. May God help you. I'm through with you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:58 AM
                      2. I am not anti-trinitarian. Trinity is a possibility. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:22 PM
                      3. The Word was "a god" is anti-trinitarian. And you insist, that this is THE correct - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:17 PM
                      4. It is not antitrinitarian. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:13 PM
                      5. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      6. The Word was "a god" makes Jesus a created being. That is antitrinitarian pure . No matter - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 10:40 AM
                      7. He was created, but he could have been created God, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      8. God was not created. So you're anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      9. God initially was not created, but always existed, but he could have created - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:52 AM
                      10. If you believe Jesus was created you are anti-trinitarian. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      11. I know, you keep repeating that. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:16 PM
                      12. Trinity in itself is inflexible. One God, uncreated, three persons OF God, who is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      13. Your mind is inflexible on this. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:17 PM
                      14. You're not saying it's a possibility. And the Word was a god takes away all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:47 PM
                      15. OK, it seems ludicrous to you, based on your logic. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      16. Jesus was created? Ludicrous again! God never spoke to you through the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:31 PM
                      17. Sorry that you find it ludicrous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:12 AM
                      18. You're bearing false witness against your neighbor. I have not added one syllable to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:48 PM
                      19. You added to the Bible the alleged salvation requirement - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:33 PM
                      20. We need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. In your anti-trinitarian faith, you do not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      21. Of course we need to believe Jesus is the Son of God. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:51 AM
                      22. The Bible only doesn't tell YOU, mostly because you insist on incorrect translations. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:13 PM
                      23. So you think the translations you insist on are always correct? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:12 PM
                      24. So far, they are correct. Because I do better research than you do, and I have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      25. I am not getting involved in any subject of the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:01 AM
                      26. Meaning in just any subject. Just those I have studied - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:42 AM
    2. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit does die. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:31 PM
    3. God is Spirit. Jesus' Spirit DOESN'T DIE. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 18, 2014, 4:32 PM
      1. You say if God died, the whole world will collapse into oblivion. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:44 PM
        1. As usual, friend Tomas doesn't understand the world, the Bible and the teachings of all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 5:52 PM
          1. Well, the Catechism of the Catholic Church says in paragraph 469: - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:44 PM
            1. If stupidity would hurt, you'd cry all day. The Catechism says Christ died, his human - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:08 PM
              1. The rest of paragraph 469 does not deny the fact, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:24 PM
                1. You seem to still misunderstand or didn't read the word immortal How can an immortal - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:26 PM
                  1. So the paragraph 469 is contradictory. But then it is not in - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 8:56 AM
                    1. Only contradictory in your mind! You were lying when you said Catholics believe - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:22 AM
                      1. It sure looks like they believe God died based on the wording - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      2. Only poorly worded for the language impaired or wickedly minded. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 8:51 AM
                      3. Oh, don't be so arrogant. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:22 PM
                      4. I am superior to you. I'm not an anti-trinitarian. I also trust people when they teach - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:38 PM
                      5. What? I don't call them liars or doubt their sincerity. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 6:43 PM
                      6. Yes, you pulled out Catechism 469 to tell me the RCC is teaching God died on the cross. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:53 PM
                      7. I did not call them liars, just that maybe they misunderstood - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:51 AM
                      8. They misunderstood???? The truth is, you did, and do not refrain from telling the world - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:18 PM
                      9. Well, OK, if that paragraph is harder to understand than it seems to me, - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:31 AM
                      10. You were willfully lying after I presented you with the statement of an representative of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:42 PM
                      11. What are Catholics supposed to rely on more, the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:43 PM
                      12. It's not only Mr. Serpa, it's the entire Catholic Church. Citing heretics here does hurt - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      13. Do you think every Catholic believes what Mr. Serpa believes? - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:56 AM
                      14. It's the official doctrine of the RCC. If some Catholics do not believe that, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:18 PM
                      15. If it is the official doctrine, then why would the Catechism - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:14 PM
                      16. Sorry to break my word and not answer your stupid remarks anymore. But this one is more - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 2:43 PM
                      17. But it says also "O Christ our God, you who by your death - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:34 AM
                      18. I know I shouldn't have answered you. You're twisting even your own words. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 10:21 PM
                      19. The Catechism could have meant that the Son is immortal after - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:05 AM
                      20. Best thing to do Tomas is to ask those who wrote the Cathechism. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 8:57 AM
                      21. I doubt it, Michael. Tomas will accuse Catholics, Lutherans etc. of being idolaters, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 5, 2015, 6:55 PM
                      22. I understand the Catholic reasoning, why they say they are not idolaters, - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      23. Michael, I don't have their email addresses. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 1:45 AM
                      24. LOL...and you want to be taken seriously? Get outta here! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 11, 2015, 6:35 PM
                      25. Do you have their email addresses? - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:47 AM
                      26. Instead of bitching, do your homework. It took me less than 10 minutes to find it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:41 AM
                      27. Some more help>>>>>>>>>>> - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:44 AM
                      28. Another 5 min search and you can go to the Vatican source: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      29. The Contatti webpage does not give any email address to ask questions - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:05 AM
                      30. Segretari would have been fine. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:52 AM
                      31. You mean Segreteria surely. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:14 AM
                      32. OK, I asked the USCCB, even though they might not include any authors - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:13 AM
                      33. Well then you just have to analyze Tomas. - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 7:17 PM
                      34. I did hear several days ago on EWTN Catholic Answers program, - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 2:52 AM
                      35. Because you prefer to bitch instead of doing your homework. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 20, 2015, 11:32 AM
                      36. Do you think the pope or some archbishop in the Vatican would have time - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      37. There are no stupid questions other than yours. That adds to your stupid assumptions. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:23 AM
                      38. So maybe Vincent Serpa meant that God the Son died only in his human nature. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      39. It's not maybe, it's a fact: Jesus died in his human nature. And bravo for emailing them. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:38 AM
                      40. OK, but when they believe God the Son died in his human nature, that still - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:05 AM
                      41. I guess, you still don't understand Trinity. When Jesus' human nature died, His divine - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 26, 2015, 9:47 AM
                      42. That is certainly very possible, if he is God. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:31 AM
                      43. Not revealed to you, but to all true Christians! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 3, 2015, 7:13 PM
                      44. You are too exclusivist about who only are the true Christians. - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:55 AM
    4. That's right INCquisitor. All you need is to believe in it. - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. show me the verse that says Jesus EXERCISED such power. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:27 AM
        1. Still asking? Well then, you'll never see it. So, ok trash John 10:18 as you have. - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 10:01 AM
      2. Jesus referred to the Father as the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 6:16 PM
        1. And INCquisitor says "I trash the words of Jesus in John 10:18". - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:48 AM
        2. The Father is the Only True God as opposed to many idols - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 10, 2014, 7:32 PM
          1. idols or not he is the only true God the Father - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:14 AM
            1. John 17:3 is INC's bread and butter error verse. It does NOT say "only you, Father, are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 4:59 PM
            2. tf, the lying INC administration has been exposed by their own "holy" magazine, by Pasugo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 8, 2015, 6:00 PM
            3. tf cannot refute...no surprise here... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 12, 2015, 2:59 PM
     
  10. WHO IS SATAN TEMPTING IN MATTHEW 4:6? READ AND SEE THE SIMPLE AND OBVIOUS TRUTH. View Thread - Michael on May 25, 2015, 7:57 PM
    1. Friends, know the truth, and the truth will set you free. - Michael on May 27, 2015, 12:13 PM
    2. Jesus, the man, of course! Do you know of any other? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:19 AM
      1. Glad that you understand that it is Jesus whom Satan was tempting, INCquisitor. - Michael on May 29, 2015, 11:07 PM
        1. Yes, so Jesus was not supposed to tempt God by falling from the temple - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:41 AM
          1. Can't you see, the truth shuts INCquisitor up again. - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:59 AM
            1. So INCquisitor has left again, but I have returned to this forum from the other one. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 2:23 PM
              1. Your excuse is not far from INCquisitor's excuse. - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:35 PM
                1. Not an excuse, but biblical analysis. So INCquisitor just hasn't gotten as far as I, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:24 AM
                  1. So then, analyze, in connection with the issue. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 12:04 PM
                    1. OK, more analysis. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:23 PM
                      1. Re: OK, more analysis. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 5:06 AM
                      2. Clearly you have some truth about verse 9. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 9:37 AM
                      3. Re: Clearly you have some truth about verse 9. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      4. Nobody there tested Yahweh. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 8:07 AM
                      5. Re: Nobody there tested Yahweh. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 7:13 PM
                      6. Yes, I continue saying nobody there tested Yahweh. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 7:38 AM
                      7. Re: Yes, I continue saying nobody there tested Yahweh. - Michael on Oct 2, 2015, 7:35 AM
                      8. Satan did not test Yahweh but Jesus, in this dialogue with him. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 1:50 AM
                      9. Re: Satan did not test Yahweh but Jesus, in this dialogue with him. - Michael on Oct 3, 2015, 8:56 AM
                      10. So nobody there tested the Father. - Tomas on Oct 3, 2015, 10:52 AM
                      11. Yes, it is Jesus who is being tempted by Satan in Mt.4:6. - Michael on Oct 6, 2015, 8:36 PM
                      12. Yes, Jesus, not Yahweh. Not the Father. - Tomas on Oct 10, 2015, 5:26 AM
                      13. Right, Jesus. - Michael on Oct 17, 2015, 6:48 AM
                      14. Satan tested Jesus, did not test Yahweh. - Tomas on Oct 17, 2015, 8:23 AM
                      15. Satan tempted Jesus. - Michael on Nov 20, 2015, 5:18 AM
                      16. Yes, but he did not attempt to tempt God. - Tomas on Dec 5, 2015, 6:51 AM
        2. In Matt. 4:6 Satan was tempting Jesus to throw himself down. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 6:54 PM
          1. Yes, it was Jesus whom Satan was tempting. See Matt. 4:1 - Michael on May 30, 2015, 9:06 PM
            1. Satan was tempting Jesus to show his powers as Son of God. - INCquisitor on Jun 2, 2015, 4:33 PM
              1. INCquisitor, If that were the case then, what was the temptation for? - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Why don't you ask Satan? - INCquisitor on Jun 9, 2015, 3:07 PM
                  1. Am I not asking you? - Michael on Jun 10, 2015, 8:37 PM
                    1. You are fond of speculaton, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Jun 13, 2015, 7:13 PM
                      1. And you're fond of evading simple questions, aren't you? - Michael on Jun 16, 2015, 10:07 AM
                      2. Simple and inane questions! - INCquisitor on Nov 21, 2015, 6:28 AM
                      3. Simple yet can't give an answer - Michael on Nov 21, 2015, 12:42 PM
     
 
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