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  1. The Son of Man ascended to heaven, to where He was before. What does this tell you? View Thread - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:24 AM
    1. John 6:62 is a parable like the parables written from - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 2014, 4:55 AM
      1. John 6:62 , a parable? - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:52 PM
        1. Of course John 6:62 is a parable. - INCquisitor on Jul 10, 2014, 5:46 PM
          1. Of course it's not. There is nothing parabolic in this statement of Jesus. - Michael on Jul 10, 2014, 11:07 PM
            1. Is there a verse that says where Jesus was before literally? - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 7:08 PM
              1. You have not properly responded to my post INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 8:29 PM
              2. There are many verses in the Bible in which Jesus said: "The Father has sent me." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 7:06 AM
                1. John wrote that he was sent from God (John 1:6). - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:37 PM
                  1. No, because he didn't exist before all things were created, like Jesus. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 10:13 AM
                    1. Jesus was talking metaphorically. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:41 PM
                      1. Yeah right......metaphorically. In your dreams...metaphorically speaking. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 3:57 PM
              3. Where was Jesus before? - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:45 PM
              4. Where did Jesus ascend to? What do Luke and Mark tell us where He ascended to? If you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2014, 7:32 AM
    2. Yes, Jesus was in heaven before, probably in his preexistence, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 7:20 PM
      1. Certainly, the Son was in heaven before He came down to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 2:06 AM
        1. Please show scripture that says "the son was in heaven before - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 7:12 PM
          1. John 6:38 - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 8:37 PM
            1. John 6:38 does not make Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:24 PM
              1. You asked for scripture. Do you deny the verse I cited [John 6:38]? - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 11:28 PM
                1. Christ's coming from heaven does not mean he WAS God. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2014, 5:57 PM
                  1. The undeniable truth is that Christ came from heaven. He came from God. - Michael on Jul 19, 2014, 7:53 PM
                    1. Don't you understand what the words "only" and "true" mean? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:56 PM
                      1. In that case, you read scriptures as a list of isolated statements. No context whatsoever. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 9:03 PM
          2. John 17:5 Jesus enjoyed glory with His Father even before the world began. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 2014, 8:51 PM
            1. Exactly. If someone shares something with you, you have to exist. Nobody can share - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 7:12 AM
              1. Tell me wise guy, what was Jesus before the world began? - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:33 PM
                1. God. He is the Word. [John 1:1, Rev. 19:13] - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 10:51 PM
                  1. Does John 1:1 tell us that Jesus is the word? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:28 PM
                    1. INCquisitor, you still can't see who John testifies about in his writings? - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 7:11 PM
                      1. Apparently, INCquisitor again is stalled by this post. - Michael on Jul 24, 2014, 10:31 AM
                2. He was the Archangel, or God the Son, or both, or neither. - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 10:56 PM
                3. The Word, you wise guy. It became flesh = baby boy. Now, with whom shared God the glory - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:52 AM
                  1. Show me scripture that says Jesus WAS the word that became flesh. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:44 PM
                    1. Who else became flesh? Nobody? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 3:53 PM
                4. Where was Jesus? - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 3:05 PM
          3. UP FOR FCCC INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 12:34 AM
        2. Michael, tell me when did Jesus ascend to heaven before John 3:13. - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 10:41 PM
          1. Tomas, Jesus was referring to the immediate time when He descended & become flesh. - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 11:00 PM
            1. But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 11:27 PM
              1. Re: But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 2:57 AM
                1. OK then, I will then look for your other posts and respond there. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 7:56 AM
          2. Let me answer this again Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 7:30 AM
            1. He clearly told Nicodemus he has ascended to heaven, not - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:16 AM
              1. Jesus was in heaven, in His Father's heart? - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 2:47 AM
                1. Exactly, in his loving heart. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 8:51 AM
                  1. Well then Tomas, so be it with you. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 11:07 AM
                    1. Well, then Michael, so be it with you. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:59 AM
                      1. Tomas, where is the lie in what I posted? - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 1:04 PM
                      2. In your interpretation, Jesus would have lied by using the wrong tenses. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 9:53 AM
                      3. Not so Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 4:08 AM
                      4. But yes so, Michael. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 7:41 AM
                      5. And so Tomas - Michael on Sep 2, 2014, 10:32 AM
                      6. Ascending to heaven, creation. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 10:21 AM
                      7. Re: Ascending to heaven, creation. - Michael on Oct 1, 2014, 12:28 PM
                      8. Is the Son of God, God? - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 8:10 AM
                      9. Yes Tomas. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 12:26 PM
                      10. OK, but that does not prove he is God. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 1:28 PM
                      11. To you, that is. - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 3:21 AM
                      12. To me yes, but it is better if all Christians think the same. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 5:37 AM
                      13. Re: To me yes, but it is better if all Christians think the same. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 9:19 AM
                      14. OK, more discussion. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:40 PM
                      15. Re: OK, more discussion. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 11:21 PM
                      16. More discussion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:19 AM
    3. Whatever John 6:62 says, Jesus tells me that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and... - INCquisitor on Oct 24, 2014, 4:23 AM
      1. I know what John 8:40 and John 17:3 tells you. Perhaps John 6:62 tells you nothing - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 8:07 AM
        1. John 6:62 does not tell me that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:25 AM
          1. Amazing answer. You know what John 6:62 does not tell you, yet not know what it says. - Michael on Oct 26, 2014, 9:12 AM
     
  2. John 20:27-29: Do not be unbelieving, but believing. View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 2014, 1:34 AM
    1. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had RISEN. That's all. - INCquisitor on Oct 17, 2014, 4:35 PM
      1. Re: Thomas did not believe that Jesus had RISEN. That's all. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 1:47 AM
        1. Michael, look at the Greek inspired translation of what Thomas said. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 2:36 AM
          1. I already did Tomas, even before you ask me to. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 3:38 AM
            1. Of course Thomas was amazed. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:04 AM
              1. We can only speculate that Tomas. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 6:44 AM
                1. OK, surprised or not, he was talking about the Father. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:24 AM
                  1. Well, if that's what you want to believe. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 10:28 AM
                    1. Well, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:45 PM
                      1. Re: Well, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 22, 2014, 2:43 PM
                      2. I still think that is likely what Thomas meant. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:40 AM
                      3. I'm really not surprised that you had two semesters of Homeric Greek, take on the true - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 2, 2014, 2:12 PM
                      4. So just because Homer lived several centuries before John, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:34 PM
                      5. Well, think as you may Tomas. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 5:29 AM
                      6. You think as you want about his deity, but when you go further, - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:25 AM
                      7. Tomas: my comments - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:27 AM
                      8. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2014, 12:44 AM
                      9. Tomas, my comments. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:38 AM
                      10. More discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 6:25 AM
     
  3. Michael, do you agree with me that divorce is sin except if the unbelieving spouse View Thread - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 7:15 AM
    1. Here's what I can say to that Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 11:11 AM
      1. So we agree in part. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:46 AM
        1. Re: So we agree in part. - Michael on Sep 2, 2014, 11:08 AM
          1. Did you flip-flop on the issue of adultery? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 9:02 AM
            1. I did not. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 5:50 AM
              1. OK, since then you believe the divorced for adultery can't remarry, you're close to my - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:56 AM
                1. More on divorce. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 10:54 AM
                  1. So you think only an unsaved person can commit adultery? - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:30 PM
                    1. Not at all Tomas. I don't know where in my post can you imply that. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:45 PM
                      1. But you had said, that based on Matthew verses, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:06 PM
                      2. On divorce, as defined in the Bible. - Michael on Nov 10, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      3. Then divorce is useless, if you can't remarry. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:50 AM
                      4. Tomas, divorce really is not God's will & was not permitted for the purpose of remarriage. - Michael on Dec 25, 2014, 1:12 PM
                      5. Divorce to avoid harming one another? - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:10 PM
                      6. Divorce, to live in peace as it is God's calling for each of us. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 1:53 AM
                      7. Divorce for adultery is sin and we are not to live in sin. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
                      8. Tomas, try to understand what I said about divorce. Agree or refute it. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:30 AM
                      9. When God allows something, it is not a sin, after all, it is allowed. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 5:08 AM
                      10. I have a number of questions for you Tomas. Please address them. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:35 AM
                      11. OK, I will address them. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:07 AM
            2. Question to both of you. The Philippines do not allow divorce, it's illegal. But they - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:10 AM
              1. My answer. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:02 AM
                1. Annulments in the Philippines are not attacked by the Catholic Church there, only divorce. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 10:06 AM
                  1. How about you? what is your take on divorce and annulment? - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:12 AM
                    1. I'm not sure. Years ago I attended a service at an United Methodist church. Their pastor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 10:21 AM
                      1. Well, I'm rather sad than surprised. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:24 AM
                      2. You said: "...because of the hardness of man's heart, divorce was allowed." Doesn't that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2014, 8:27 AM
                      3. Not really Guenter. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 2:56 PM
                      4. To be honest with you, I don't understand why Moses had the power to permit divorce. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2014, 4:06 PM
                      5. Guenter, Moses was the chosen prophet of God of Israel back then. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 11:12 PM
                      6. If God permitted divorce at Moses' time, when did God change His mind? I thought, he never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 16, 2014, 2:37 PM
                      7. I think you didn't quite understand me there Guenter, when I said - Michael on Oct 16, 2014, 5:29 PM
                      8. Thanks, Michael, I think I got it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:51 PM
              2. My answer. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:02 AM
              3. Guenter, the Philippines allow Muslims to divorce, but not Christians. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:37 AM
                1. Thank you, Tomas. Another question to you and Michael: Is divorce one of those sins Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 8:13 AM
                  1. Re: Thank you, Tomas. Another question to you and Michael: Is divorce one of those sins Jesus - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:58 AM
                  2. I agree with Michael, Jesus died for all sins, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:01 PM
     
  4. INCquisitor: On Eph.2:15, the One New Man (others are welcome to join) View Thread - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:01 AM
    1. Important correction! Missing word* in CAPS! Sorry about that. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:27 AM
      1. Oh, you don't agree. Too bad. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 4:01 PM
        1. So you agree with INC and FCCC. That's what's too bad Tomas. - Michael on Sep 3, 2014, 4:46 AM
          1. Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 8:36 AM
            1. Re: Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Michael on Sep 30, 2014, 11:52 AM
              1. The head of the body, the church. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:15 AM
                1. Re: The head of the body, the church. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 3:06 AM
                  1. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:39 PM
                    1. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:12 AM
                      1. Still more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:52 PM
                      2. Re: Still more about the head and the body. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 5:14 PM
                      3. And more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:21 PM
                      4. Tomas: More about the head and the body. - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:51 AM
                      5. Michael: More about the head and the body. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:34 AM
                      6. Tomas: More about the new man, with Christ as the head, and the church, the body - MIchael on Dec 13, 2014, 8:02 AM
                      7. Yes, more about all that. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
                      8. Re: Yes, more about all that. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 1:40 AM
                      9. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      10. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:52 PM
                      11. More about this. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:17 AM
     
  5. God (Deity) is the only one uncreated. View Thread - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 2:27 AM
    1. Care to comment INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:18 PM
      1. Whatever answer one may give to your question, the TRUTH - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 4:55 PM
        1. And what are your answer to the questions INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 30, 2014, 9:51 PM
        2. The truth INCQUISITOR is that you evade & reject the TRUTH that the questions brings out. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 8:28 PM
          1. Apostle Paul warned about people like you, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 6:07 AM
            1. If your understanding of scriptures is right, you will be able to answer the questions. - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 11:39 AM
              1. You may fool some people all of the time but you cannot... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:23 PM
                1. Your response sure proves nothing written at the OP. And yes, that is to say you are truly - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:14 PM
                  1. I'm simply heedin apostle Paul's warning, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 2014, 6:42 PM
                    1. Heeding Paul's warning does not mean you turn your back on the truth. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 1:50 AM
                      1. As I said, your "philosophical" questions are designed to - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 2014, 6:46 AM
                      2. There is nothing philosophical in my questions INCQUISITOR. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:38 AM
                      3. Michael, you cannot intelligently argue with language impaired people like INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 2014, 3:04 PM
                      4. Your post seems to tell the source of such thinking and attitude GUENTER - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:00 PM
                      5. What do your questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 2014, 4:47 PM
                      6. Truth about God, what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:03 PM
                      7. What TRUTHS will these questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 2014, 4:48 PM
                      8. Truth about God, INCquisitor. You can answer those if you know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:16 PM
                      9. What truth about God are you talking about? - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 2014, 3:44 AM
                      10. Make a thread for your issues INCquisitor, and not mess this thread. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 4:05 AM
                      11. What I posted are TRUTHS about God that CANNOT - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 2014, 4:36 AM
                      12. But that is just not what this thread is about. Make another one if you will. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:40 AM
    2. Care to comment INCer? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
    3. INCer TF, care to comment on the OP? - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 11:17 PM
    4. Michael, Melchizedek is uncreated. Now he might be God, - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 1:55 AM
      1. That's what you understand scripture is saying to you. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 2:57 PM
        1. That's right. So my answers below. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:34 PM
          1. Re: That's right. So my answers below. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 11:03 PM
            1. OK, my answers about God here. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:03 AM
              1. Re: OK, my answers about God here. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 5:17 AM
                1. My further answers about God. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:41 AM
                  1. My further comments - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 12:26 AM
                    1. My comments to your further comments: - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 12:36 AM
                      1. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 4:35 AM
                      2. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 4:27 AM
                      3. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 10:37 AM
                      4. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 5:37 AM
                      5. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 20, 2014, 12:51 PM
                      6. Michael, my additional comments. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 6:36 PM
                      7. Re: Michael, my additional comments. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 12:34 AM
                      8. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 4:55 AM
                      9. Re: Michael, my further comments. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 1:51 AM
                      10. Re: Michael, my further comments. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 1:52 AM
                      11. Michael, my additional comments. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 9:20 AM
                      12. Re: Michael, my additional comments. - Michael on Oct 30, 2014, 2:31 PM
                      13. More discussion. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:19 AM
                      14. Re: More discussion. - Michael on Nov 19, 2014, 6:02 PM
                      15. More discussion about these interesting and significant issues. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:08 AM
                      16. Re: More discussion about these interesting and significant issues. - Michael on Dec 4, 2014, 11:51 PM
                      17. Yet more discussion about these issues. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:20 AM
                      18. Re: Yet more discussion about these issues. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 7:54 PM
                      19. More discussion. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 12:31 AM
    5. Apparently INCers dont know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. Christians know God, but nobody can know everything about him. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:45 AM
        1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 3:38 PM
          1. Actually, that statement of yours, that God is uncreated - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 12:57 AM
            1. How about you Tomas? - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 7:38 AM
              1. The Bible at least strongly implies in some verses - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 1:42 AM
                1. So Tomas, as far as your answer goes, you simply just don't know or can't say. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 10:49 AM
                  1. At least the Father is uncreated. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 5:44 AM
                    1. No problem Tomas. I now see how you see and know God. - Michael on Aug 20, 2014, 7:57 AM
                      1. Well, when the Bible is silent about such things, - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 7:00 PM
                      2. But scriptures is not silent about the Deity of Christ. Even history testifies of this. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 4:43 AM
                      3. Not true, and history does not prove it either. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 11:04 AM
                      4. Have you not read my post? - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 7:34 AM
                      5. Of course I did read and did answer your post. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 4:47 AM
                      6. Re: Of course I did read and did answer your post. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 8:16 PM
                      7. OK, more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:43 AM
                      8. Re: OK, more discussion about Christ. - Michael on Dec 5, 2014, 3:16 AM
                      9. And more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:32 AM
                      10. Re: And more discussion about Christ. - Michael on Jan 13, 2015, 4:30 PM
                      11. Still more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 1:52 AM
    6. mr.philosopher here is the direct revelation of the bible..just listen - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:11 AM
      1. Hmmmm, God is not Lord? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 27, 2014, 7:51 AM
    7. To TF, the truthfinder. Hope you find the truth someday. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 7:31 AM
     
  6. Guys, you cannot help INCquisitor who maintains Trinity = 3 Gods. Idiots cannot be helped. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:56 PM
    1. You are correct. Idiots cannot be helped. But who is an "idiot?" - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 4:03 AM
      1. An idiot was talking, everybody understands that. Trinity = 3 Gods. Statement of a pure - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 9:36 AM
    2. Guenter, if one can't refute the trinity, he refutes another and brand it trinity. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 5:58 AM
     
  7. Guys, you also can't help Anna, who doesn't have any refutation to the truth presented to View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:16 PM
    1. Of course she can't. Truth can't simply be refuted. So, all she can do is evade. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:01 AM
     
  8. Pasugo says View Thread - BagoAral on Jan 20, 2015, 8:59 PM
    1. That's old news. I don't understand Tagalog, but INC's contradictions are well recorded on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:15 PM
     
  9. Simple questions for the FYMers and ministers. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:51 AM
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  11. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 2014, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 7:37 AM
            1. God saves us through Jesus, in the church. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:57 AM
              1. God is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 11:26 AM
                1. Of course. But he saves us in the church. - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:13 PM
                  1. You keep saying "in the church". I think it sends a wrong message. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:25 AM
                    1. When we are saved, we are added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:09 AM
                      1. That's right. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:44 PM
      3. How to find the true church - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 7:03 PM
        1. The Claim of the RCC being founded - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:38 AM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 2014, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 2014, 3:58 AM
                1. By their fruits... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 2014, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 2014, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 6:48 PM
                    1. FCCC..1st century Chuch... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 AM
                      1. Now don't be so harsh on him. Maybe the New Testament was finished being written - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
                      2. The NT did not exist in one volume... - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      3. OK, maybe no Christian near the end of the first century had ` - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:19 AM
                    2. FCCC...is this the name of the early Church? - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:35 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 2014, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 6:36 AM
                  1. I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:08 AM
                    1. Re: I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Michael on Jul 28, 2014, 4:17 PM
                      1. True what you say. And I did not really mean we are saved - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      2. The church was not established as necessary for our salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:15 AM
                      3. It sure is necessary for our salvation, we can't be saved outside it. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:42 AM
                      4. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:43 PM
                      5. OK, we are not saved only by being added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:33 AM
                      6. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      8. Re: But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Michael on Sep 1, 2014, 12:46 AM
                      9. As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
                      10. Re: As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:35 AM
                      12. Re: OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 11:47 AM
                      13. At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 2:20 PM
                      14. Re: At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 12:48 AM
                      15. God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:49 AM
                      16. Re: God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 7:11 AM
                      17. Why would you think that us added to the church is not one of the saving - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:52 PM
                      18. Tomas, try to understand what I say about being added to the church. - Michael on Dec 15, 2014, 7:46 AM
                      19. I do think I understand what you are saying. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:44 PM
                      20. I hope. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 6:28 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 2014, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 7:26 PM
      1. Don't know the answer INCquisitor? What do you tell those who are members of FCCC? - Michael on Aug 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
     
 
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