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  1. Jesus Christ is God Manifested In the Flesh View Thread - Jason Stevens on Nov 28, 2014, 10:21 PM
    1. That is certainly possible that he is God manifested in the flesh, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 5:55 AM
     
  2. Response to INC - Minister - Jesus Christ is God View Thread - Jason Stevens on Nov 28, 2014, 10:18 PM
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  4. Man and God. View Thread - Michael on Nov 27, 2014, 2:52 AM
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  6. Questions that need answer from trinitarians View Thread - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:47 AM
    1. how come the devil forgot that he is tempting the God Jesus? - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:54 AM
      1. Did FYM told you that the devil forgot that? - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 4:44 AM
        1. Re: Did FYM told you that the devil forgot that? - Karlos on Oct 14, 2014, 2:32 AM
      2. Why don't you read the Bible and understand why the devil said "IF" you are the Son of God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:37 AM
        1. so the devil is asking jesus whetgervhe is thevtrue gid? - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:09 PM
          1. Changing the subject is an old trick of helpless INC fanatics. Go back to your original - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:10 PM
          2. why don't you start answering questions thrown at you - Karlos on Oct 14, 2014, 1:57 AM
          3. tf gave up. Because he's afraid of the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 25, 2014, 8:23 PM
    2. how come the devil forgot that he is tempting the God Jesus? - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:55 AM
    3. You only believe FYM and his INC ministers, so why ask us? Ask them. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 4:42 AM
      1. dont be emotional mike like a lady.. - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:08 PM
        1. I only said the truth about INCers. How can you argue if INC... - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 11:52 PM
        2. are you arguing with us? - Karlos on Oct 14, 2014, 2:37 AM
    4. how come the angel never told mary that God is his child - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:11 PM
      1. Re: how come the angel never told mary that God is his child - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:12 PM
        1. What part of " So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God'" don't you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:51 PM
      2. What did FYM told you about this? None I suppose that's why you ask. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:02 AM
        1. Why can't TF answer the questions in my post above? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:44 AM
    5. were the early prophets trinitarians? - tf on Oct 14, 2014, 10:38 PM
      1. Why did FYM believe that God is a trinity? - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 10:44 PM
      2. There is no problem. Where and how do you see a problem? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 16, 2014, 2:40 PM
        1. so they are not trinitarians - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:16 AM
          1. You don't even understand my questions. How can you claim you understand the Bible? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 20, 2014, 7:26 AM
    6. is the baby Jesus ,God growing in wisdom? - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:17 AM
      1. Haven't FYM told you that the one born of Mary is a man? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:41 AM
      2. The mystery is: Why did the angel FYM believed that God is a trinity? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:45 AM
        1. Michael, I've heard that before that FYM believed in the triune God. Do you have any hard - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 25, 2014, 8:28 PM
          1. See FYM's religious background. - Michael on Nov 25, 2014, 9:18 PM
            1. Sorry, I asked the wrong question. I know FYM's religious background. Even more than what - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 26, 2014, 8:06 AM
     
  7. lost for words View Thread - lost for words on Nov 20, 2014, 12:38 PM
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  9. the 1 God of michael is actually a one WHAT.. View Thread - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:35 PM
    1. 325 AD..no trinity doctrine yet - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:39 PM
      1. Tf, if you have a problem with the Nicene council of 325 AD, settle it elsewhere? - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 6:59 AM
        1. admit it or not - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 8:21 PM
          1. Think what you want TF. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 1:33 AM
          2. was influenced by your preachers - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:54 PM
      2. No trinity prior to 325 AD, that was one of the lies I heard from the minister who gave - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 11:38 PM
    2. 381 AD only then that they completged their trinity invention with the addition of HS - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:41 PM
      1. Regardless of councils, Catholic theologians started teaching trinity already in 175 AD. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2014, 9:26 PM
        1. Early Trinitarian Quotes - by Matt Slick - tumpak on Jun 16, 2014, 7:37 AM
          1. Your quotes from Polycarp, Justin Martin, and Ignatius do not - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 7:25 AM
        2. Regardless of councils, the deity of the Father, Son and the HS is taught in scriptures. - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 7:52 AM
          1. The deity of the Father is taught in scriptures, but not deity of the other 2. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 12:05 AM
          2. You mean scriptures as you INTERPRET them, don't you? - IN Cquisitor on Sep 14, 2014, 4:30 PM
            1. Re: You mean scriptures as you INTERPRET them, don't you? - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:13 AM
      2. Have another problem with the RCC, TF? - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 7:01 AM
        1. if not for the influence of the councils - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 7:01 PM
          1. That may be correct TF, but influence is different from believing. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 1:38 AM
          2. Proconceived Bias - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 3:12 PM
    3. THE HOLY TRINITY - PROMDI FORReAST on Jun 17, 2014, 1:29 PM
      1. How can you be sure how many persons God is? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 7:30 AM
    4. mike ran away from this thread also - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 3:46 AM
      1. Re: mike ran away from this thread also - Karlos on Aug 27, 2014, 4:31 AM
        1. no thought on that verse tf? - Karlos on Aug 28, 2014, 3:58 AM
          1. Hmmmmmm... I'm still waiting TF. - Karlos on Aug 28, 2014, 10:29 PM
            1. Hmmmmmm... I'm still waiting TF. - Karlos on Sep 9, 2014, 3:55 AM
        2. Karlos, 1 Peter 1:11 does teach the preexistence of Christ, but - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 12:08 AM
          1. Re: Karlos, 1 Peter 1:11 does teach the preexistence of Christ, but - Karlos on Sep 13, 2014, 3:31 AM
            1. Well, if you think the verse did say Christ is God, it's OK, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:46 AM
              1. Re: Well, if you think the verse did say Christ is God, it's OK, - Karlos on Sep 13, 2014, 4:15 AM
                1. Micah 5:2 does not say at all that he is God. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 5:19 AM
                  1. Re: Micah 5:2 does not say at all that he is God. - Karlos on Sep 13, 2014, 10:15 PM
                    1. In Dan. 7:13, the Ancient of Days is of course the Father. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:48 AM
                      1. Re: In Dan. 7:13, the Ancient of Days is of course the Father. - Karlos on Sep 27, 2014, 3:34 AM
                      2. The Hebrew word 'olam does not necessarily mean everlasting. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 11:28 AM
                  2. Rev 22:6 - Inhinyero on Sep 15, 2014, 1:40 PM
                    1. The Lord God there is of course the Father. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:51 AM
          2. How about his verse from Genesis - Inhinyero on Sep 15, 2014, 1:32 PM
            1. The 'us' in Gen. 1:26 are God and Christ. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:59 AM
          3. Jesus is God - Inhinyero on Sep 15, 2014, 1:34 PM
            1. Titus 2:13 is better translated from Greek: "... of the great God and of - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 3:06 AM
              1. Re: Titus 2:13 is better translated from Greek: "... of the great God and of - Karlos on Sep 27, 2014, 4:51 AM
                1. Yes, God will appear too when Jesus comes. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 12:05 PM
                  1. Re: Yes, God will appear too when Jesus comes. - Karlos on Oct 6, 2014, 5:59 AM
                    1. Probably at the same time, or close to the same time, they will come. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 10:01 PM
      2. Actually this thread you started is your way of running away from the other thread TF. - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 6:51 AM
        1. well if you cannot comment on something - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:22 PM
          1. I pity you TF. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 4:34 AM
    5. The 1 God of TF is actually the god spoken of by Manalo, not scriptures. - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 8:23 AM
      1. what a loser tsk tsk - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 6:58 PM
        1. Talking to yourself TF? - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 1:53 AM
          1. you talk to your God whoever they are... - tf on Sep 14, 2014, 10:19 PM
    6. still no answer from mike - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 10:17 PM
      1. Re: still no answer from mike - Karlos on Sep 9, 2014, 7:14 AM
        1. can you care to help mike - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:17 PM
          1. Help Mike? He is very capable of handling you. - Karlos on Sep 11, 2014, 10:54 PM
            1. ok you open a new thread for that - tf on Sep 12, 2014, 3:31 AM
              1. new thread? why? - Karlos on Sep 12, 2014, 8:19 PM
                1. so i can deal with you one on one - tf on Sep 12, 2014, 9:46 PM
                  1. huh? is that your answer? tsk tsk tsk? - Karlos on Sep 13, 2014, 1:32 AM
                    1. Hi Karlos, did you see my answer to your question about 1 Peter above? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:17 AM
                    2. tf has just shut his mouth up, cannot refute 1 Peter 1:11, tsk! - Karlos on Sep 14, 2014, 11:44 PM
                      1. seems you have a problem with that verse my friend - tf on Sep 24, 2014, 3:03 AM
                      2. Re: seems you have a problem with that verse my friend - Karlos on Sep 24, 2014, 3:26 AM
    7. The God of michael is one deity - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:06 AM
    8. TF never runs out of false information to spread, just like the D. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 3:28 PM
      1. your God is 1 what composed of 3 who's - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:12 AM
        1. Why is it that you seem to know my God better than I do? - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:57 AM
     
  10. Anti-Trinitariens do not have any clue what "first-born" of all creation means. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 27, 2014, 2:24 PM
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  12. "Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday, today and forever" (Heb. 13:8). View Thread - INCquisitor on Sep 20, 2014, 3:03 PM
    1. up for michael - INCquisitor on Sep 25, 2014, 4:02 AM
      1. Prior to your "yesterday", where was He? - Dean O'Gowan on Sep 25, 2014, 7:11 AM
        1. Prior to yesterday, Jesus was in the mind of God (1 Peter 1:20). - INCquisitor on Sep 25, 2014, 5:54 PM
          1. Re: Prior to yesterday, Jesus was in the mind of God (1 Peter 1:20). - Karlos on Sep 26, 2014, 12:15 AM
            1. Christ Jesus said he is a MAN (John 8:49), - INCquisitor on Sep 26, 2014, 3:56 PM
              1. huh? - Karlos on Sep 26, 2014, 11:33 PM
                1. God MADE Jesus Christ. When? - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 4:42 AM
                  1. Re: God MADE Jesus Christ. When? - Karlos on Sep 27, 2014, 5:37 AM
                    1. Jesus said he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 7:59 AM
                      1. Re: Jesus said he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God (John 17:3). - Karlos on Sep 27, 2014, 9:49 PM
                      2. It's a matter of values, my friend. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 7:12 AM
                      3. A comment INCquisitor. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 5:22 AM
                      4. Re: Jesus said he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God (John 17:3). - Karlos on Sep 27, 2014, 9:52 PM
                      5. Apostle Paul says, "compare spiritual things with spiritual." - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 7:14 AM
                      6. wrong answer, try again! - Karlos on Sep 29, 2014, 12:24 AM
          2. There is only One God. As there is only one air. - Dean O'Gowan on Sep 26, 2014, 11:16 PM
            1. Your inteligence CAN'T trump the words of Jesus. - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 6:15 AM
          3. INCquisitor, 1 Peter 1:20 does say Christ was foreknown before the - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 1:29 AM
            1. John 17:5 and Rev. 2:14 don't say that Christ was created.... - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 6:22 AM
              1. Rev. 3:14, not 2:14. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 10:43 AM
                1. Re: Rev. 3:14, not 2:14. - INCquisitor on Oct 4, 2014, 3:48 PM
                  1. More about Christ. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 9:43 PM
    2. Jesus created the world. Only God can create the world. There Jesus was God. - Dean O'Gowan on Sep 26, 2014, 10:46 PM
      1. But God created all things by, or through Jesus Christ, - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 1:35 AM
        1. Your belief is false. - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 1:30 PM
          1. OK, since you want Old Testament verses, - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 9:51 PM
      2. "By" and "through" could also mean "because of." - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 6:30 AM
        1. Did God created everything for and because of a man he created? - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 10:59 AM
          1. Yes. That's God's will. - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 2:00 PM
            1. That shows how you see your god and who your god is. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 4:36 AM
              1. Everything God did was for His glory. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 3:39 PM
                1. God created everything because of and for Himself. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 4:14 AM
    3. Only God does not change. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 11:20 AM
      1. So does Jesus. But Jesus is not God nor God/man. Jesus is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 1:24 PM
        1. And that contradicts the truth that "Only God does not change". - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 5:01 AM
          1. Jesus says he is a man. HJeb. 13:8 says he is the same - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 7:25 AM
            1. INCquisitor, only Deity does not change. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 8:38 AM
              1. That;s what you say but the Bible says that Jesus, a MAN - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 4:10 PM
                1. So clearly now you don't believe that only Deity does not change. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 5:14 AM
                  1. Re: So clearly now you don't believe that only Deity does not change. - INCquisitor on Oct 4, 2014, 4:37 PM
                    1. Re: So clearly now you don't believe that only Deity does not change. - Michael on Oct 6, 2014, 11:57 PM
     
  13. INCQUISITOR, TF, TOMAS, Paul speaks of the mystery of God. View Thread - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 9:17 PM
    1. "Beware lest anyone cheats you through.... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 5:55 AM
      1. So INCQUISITOR, what is the mystery of God Paul is saying in Colossians 2? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 12:03 PM
        1. Tell me what you think so I can have something to refute. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:20 PM
          1. Do you not know QUITOR? Read Col. 2, or even the whole epistle of Paul to the Colossians. - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 10:03 PM
            1. Tell us your understanding of Col. 2:9 so we know where you stand. - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 2014, 6:28 PM
              1. Does this mean you don't know the MYSTERY of GOD Paul speaks about in Col. 2? - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 3:06 AM
                1. God does NOT "dwell bodily" in Christ. - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 2014, 6:03 AM
                  1. Ok. What can I say, if you don't know the Msytery OF God Paul speaks about in Col. 2. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:32 AM
    2. Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 1:23 AM
      1. Re: Michael, I believe I can explain the mystery. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 3:40 PM
        1. The mystery of God, does not mean mystery about God, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:15 PM
          1. Mystery of God, God's mystery, it's all the same. It concerns and relates to God. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 8:55 PM
            1. It is His mystery about Christ. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 9:18 PM
              1. What is about Christ is what is about God. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 9:44 PM
                1. Not necessarily. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:47 AM
                  1. It sure is. - Michael on Jul 24, 2014, 3:35 AM
                    1. I suppose with Christ being so special, God hid all his treasures - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:35 AM
                      1. There is no need to suppose as you always do Tomas. Just believe what scriptures say. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 3:24 AM
                      2. I do believe all the scriptures say. I just don't go beyond that with dogma. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:48 AM
                      3. Actually Tomas you go beyond what is written & take the unwritten as a basis for - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 10:33 AM
                      4. Where did I base any dogmatic truth on unwritten? - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 5:35 AM
                      5. Re: Where did I base any dogmatic truth on unwritten? - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 12:25 AM
                      6. What is not written, is not to be believed. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 1:34 AM
                      7. Re: What is not written, is not to be believed. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 9:21 AM
                      8. What is not written, is not to be believed, though we are not forbidden to speculate. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:29 AM
                      9. Forbidden or not, speculation must not be used to explain away scriptures. - Michael on Aug 10, 2014, 5:09 AM
                      10. I do not explain away scriptures, I interpret scriptures, to come to truth. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 9:10 AM
                      11. Re: I do not explain away scriptures, I interpret scriptures, to come to truth. - Michael on Aug 19, 2014, 2:03 AM
                      12. Yes, I do. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:28 PM
                      13. Re: Yes, I do. - Michael on Aug 31, 2014, 8:43 AM
                      14. I certainly do. So more discussion. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 1:43 PM
                      15. Re: I certainly do. So more discussion. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 7:05 AM
                      16. OK, still more discussion, now mainly about Christ. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 10:30 AM
                      17. Re: OK, still more discussion, now mainly about Christ. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 12:00 PM
                      18. More discussion about the Son, and now also what does Deity mean. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 3:50 PM
    3. that verse do not apply to the trinitarians - tf on Jul 12, 2014, 2:17 AM
      1. What are you talking about? Do you even know what the mystery of God Paul says there? - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 2:31 PM
        1. the sad truth is in the pudding my friend - tf on Jul 12, 2014, 10:24 PM
          1. Yes you never said anything about the topic at the OP. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 12:20 AM
            1. in fact it was the trinity that still remains a mystery - tf on Jul 19, 2014, 3:11 AM
              1. Yet still, youl evade the issue at the OP. Do you know the mystery of God spoken by Paul? - Michael on Jul 19, 2014, 8:04 PM
            2. tf, we would not know the nature of God until Jesus revealed it. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 19, 2014, 6:54 AM
              1. You version of John 1:18 is an ALTERED version. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 9:34 AM
                1. Don't you get it? Don was speaking metaphorically and not literally comparing God with air - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:47 PM
                2. I mean, Dean was speaking...sorry, Dean. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 6:49 PM
              2. Sorry Dean, but your analogy and illustration of Trinity is erroneous. - Michael on Jul 24, 2014, 3:42 AM
                1. Michael, no analogy is perfect. You can knock me down, but see if you can give a better - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 2, 2014, 8:35 PM
                  1. I know. Not for knocking you down Dean. Just saying that Air does not illustrate trinity - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 6:32 AM
                  2. Michael, you are saying God is like time? Past , present & future? - Dean O'Gowan on Aug 3, 2014, 3:47 PM
                    1. Dean, read again what I said in my post. This time carefully. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 1:02 AM
     
  14. Paul says that Christ was rich, yet became poor. How did He became poor? View Thread - Michael on May 16, 2014, 10:49 PM
    1. Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Tomas on May 17, 2014, 10:22 AM
      1. Re: Of course that has nothing to do with material wealth. - Michael on May 18, 2014, 8:02 AM
        1. I agree with what you say there, except I am not so dogmatic - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 4:08 AM
          1. It's not about being dogmatic or not. It's about the revealed truth. - Michael on May 25, 2014, 7:06 AM
            1. You are dogmatic that it is the revealed truth he did preexist, - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 11:47 PM
              1. The truth is He preexisted, even from eternity. - Michael on Jun 15, 2014, 9:01 PM
                1. I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 7:36 AM
                  1. Re: I do accept that both sets of verses are true, that is why - Michael on Jun 22, 2014, 9:21 PM
                    1. Do you claim that God, even though he is omnipotent, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:09 AM
                      1. That is not what it means to be omnipotent. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 3:04 AM
                      2. That link does not analyze God's omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 3:03 AM
                      3. Yes, it directly does not. What I said is that, it is a related link. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 3:26 AM
                      4. OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:52 PM
                      5. Re: OK, let's discuss omnipotence. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 9:39 PM
                      6. Sometimes you disagree even when you really agree. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:57 AM
                      7. Not the case Tomas. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 6:29 AM
                      8. Well, you are quibbling about semantics, to create a disagreement where I agree. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 4:04 AM
                      9. Being clear is always a good thing. I don't create disagreement, when I see none. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 9:08 AM
                      10. OK, if you now want to discuss only where we disagree, let's do that. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 6:01 AM
                      11. Of course, we only discuss those matters where we disagree. - Michael on Aug 8, 2014, 10:25 AM
                      12. Well, occasionally we discuss and we end up agreeing on something. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2014, 10:32 PM
                      13. Re: Well, occasionally we discuss and we end up agreeing on something. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 2:18 AM
                      14. OK, more about God and Christ. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 5:46 AM
                      15. Re: OK, more about God and Christ. - Michael on Aug 10, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      16. More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 8:07 AM
                      17. Re: More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 12:14 PM
                      18. Still more about God and Christ, and about souls. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:15 PM
                      19. Re: Still more about God and Christ, and about souls. - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 10:44 AM
                      20. More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 6:37 AM
                      21. Re: More about God and Christ, and about souls. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 11:38 PM
                      22. Still more about these interesting, controversial topics. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 1:02 PM
     
 
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