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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. INC doctrine that only messengers of God are authorized View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 6:19 PM
    1. I am sorry that you encountered a minister who was so impoliteq - Tomas on Feb 8, 12:15 AM
      1. Examples are NOT enough to NEGATE the words of Jesus. - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 6:43 AM
        1. The examples prove Jesus told them they can now worship him and - Tomas on Feb 15, 3:54 AM
          1. LOL, Tomas. What happened to "you shall not ADD to what is written", as you elsewhere - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:24 PM
            1. I don't add to the Bible. But trying to figure out - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:20 AM
              1. Sorry, my friend, but you do add to scriptures. You are trying to figure out what is NOT - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 12:55 AM
                1. I am like other Christians, trying to figure out what the verses - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:23 AM
                  1. Lame excuses, you're ADDING to the scriptures when you're saying Jesus must have told - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 8:14 AM
                    1. No verse has to say it in such words, it is still explicit - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:23 AM
          2. Don't you know what facts and opinions do? - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:45 AM
            1. If it were important for Jesus to rebuke them for worshipping him, - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:35 AM
              1. Your lack of faith in the words of Jesus shows. - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 7:05 AM
                1. I believe all the words of Jesus. He said worship God, but - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:35 AM
      2. My minister called me an idiot after I told him about his errors. That was in Houston, TX. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:16 PM
        1. So sad you had such bad experiences. - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:48 AM
          1. Tomas, you cannot serve two masters. - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:51 AM
            1. INCquisitor..Tomas only serves ONE master: Tomas! By the way, INCquisitor, thank you for - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:04 AM
              1. If anyone deviates from any of Jesus' teachings, he does not have God? - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:39 PM
                1. What part of " Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 7:45 AM
                  1. If you believe we have to be infallible to be saved, then I guess - Tomas on Mar 8, 1:16 AM
            2. INCquisitor, I serve only God and Jesus, not any evil master, - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:25 PM
              1. You are wrong Tomas. Trinitarian churches do not have God. - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 7:52 AM
                1. You're still misunderstanding John 17:3. But you're absolutely correct, there is no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 8:28 AM
                  1. The word "Father" needs no modifier. - INCquisitor on Mar 2, 11:00 AM
                    1. Fine, just remain in your error. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 4:13 PM
          2. In my experience, what happened to me is typical INC behavior, even to their own members. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:12 AM
            1. If that were typical, that would be sad for INC. - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:00 AM
     
  2. Christ said, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 10, 5:22 AM
    1. Thanks to people like Luther the "ravenous wolves" in Christ's church did not prevail. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 3:14 PM
      1. Luther protested against the leader of the Catholic church, - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:58 PM
    2. "the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church that - Incquisitor on Dec 21, 5:43 AM
    3. Your INC interpretation is inconsistent with other passages. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 21, 8:35 AM
      1. The first death is natural death. X - Incquisitor on Dec 22, 7:22 AM
        1. The second death will be natural death too. - Tomas on Jan 3, 6:29 PM
    4. INCquisitor, we are not talking about men. But the Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 22, 5:42 PM
      1. The church that Christ built is composed of "disciples of Christ." - Incquisitor on Dec 22, 6:46 PM
    5. You are right that the Church is "the body of Christ" (disciples) and they keep growing. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 3:09 AM
      1. INCquisitor, there is no disputing that Jesus is man, just like Obama is man. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 3:28 AM
        1. You are comparing apples with oranges. - Incquisitor on Dec 24, 7:06 AM
        2. INCquisitor, read various translations of John 1:18. It will show that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 2:23 PM
        3. Why did Caiphas have Jesus crucified? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 3:38 PM
      2. Earlier you said that men die but the church doesn't. - Incquisitor on Dec 24, 5:51 AM
      3. INCquisitor, you are inconsistent. Jesus said that he will build his church and the gates - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 6:28 AM
        1. Of course, the church that Christ built NEVER died. - Incquisitor on Dec 25, 6:45 AM
          1. The church that Christ built has not been dormant either. - Tomas on Dec 27, 1:36 PM
            1. The Catholic Church was NEVER the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 6:47 PM
              1. The Catholic church is a large part of the church that - Tomas on Jan 3, 6:39 PM
                1. God NEVER forgave Israel for its sin of idolatry. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 3:42 PM
                  1. Israel knew the commandments against idolatry but - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:31 PM
                    1. God's commandments in Exodus 20:3-5 are clear. - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 6:31 PM
                      1. Not clear enough for churches like Catholics or Orthodox. - Tomas on Jan 31, 10:26 PM
                      2. Are you a Catholic apologist Tomas or.... - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 9:22 AM
                      3. I am not Catholic apologist, but I apologize for their errors. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:44 PM
                      4. Why apologize if you truly believe these are ERRORS? - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 8:54 PM
                      5. I apologize on behalf of misguided Christians, because - Tomas on Feb 14, 10:22 PM
        2. INCquisitor, if you don't believe that Jesus founded the Catholic Church, which then is - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 28, 9:58 PM
          1. Do these churches believe in Jesus and abide in his - INCquisitor on Dec 31, 5:43 PM
        3. INCquisitor, you again failed to give an intelligent answer. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 1, 1:49 AM
    6. INCquisitor, why did Caiphas wanted Jesus crucified? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 9:30 AM
      1. Caiphas did not want to crucify Jesus. - Incquisitor on Dec 25, 6:36 AM
    7. INCquisitor contradicted himself again. - Dean O Gowan on Dec 27, 11:55 PM
      1. Caiphas PROPHESIED that Jesus would die. - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 6:31 PM
    8. INCquisitor, did you quit the INC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 2:09 PM
      1. Yes, I did. - INCquisitor on Jan 2, 5:53 PM
        1. Are you the founder of this "First-Century Church of Christ"? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 3, 4:39 PM
          1. It was Christ who founded this church in the first century. - INCquisitor on Jan 6, 5:12 PM
            1. Christ founded your church the same way He founded Iglesia ni Cristo? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 29, 1:39 PM
        2. One of the many churches that know it all..LOL. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 18, 2:57 PM
    9. You are right, Jesus founded His Church. Then who gives you the right - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 4:58 AM
      1. The FCCC is the CONTINUATION of the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Jan 8, 5:58 PM
        1. That's your opinion. And it's wrong. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 7:57 PM
          1. Christ's promises were to his church NOT to the - INCquisitor on Jan 9, 4:09 AM
            1. So if in your opinion the Catholic church was the replacement - Tomas on Jan 10, 5:30 PM
              1. You don't know what Christ meant when he said, - INCquisitor on Jan 11, 7:27 PM
                1. If you were right, Jesus was a liar. The gates of hell prevailed and made the Apostolic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 16, 2:58 PM
                  1. The Catholic Church was founded by a few overseers - INCquisitor on Jan 16, 5:56 PM
                    1. You have been falling in the INC trap. INC and you don't understand the most simplest - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 16, 8:47 PM
                      1. Paul was referring to "some" of the elders of the church - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 6:38 AM
                      2. You truly meant "all" when you said the Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 7:47 AM
                      3. It's you who don't undstand the most simple English. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 6:45 AM
                      4. Misunderstanding. With few or some I meant the ones who left or betrayed the Apostolic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 7:52 AM
                      5. The Catholic Church was founded by the "few" overseers - INCquisitor on Jan 18, 6:52 PM
                      6. You are misunderstanding the Bible and the teachings of all true Christian churches, which - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 7:23 AM
                      7. Not all true Christian churches teach Jesus as the second person - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:49 PM
                      8. Churches that don't believe in the deity of Jesus, are not true Christian churches. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 8:16 PM
                      9. Where did you learn what you re saying? - INCquisitor on Jan 29, 4:36 AM
                      10. For once, I agree with you, at least in part. Yes, true Christians are disciple of Christ - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 29, 8:05 AM
                      11. Catholics are NOT disciples of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 30, 4:10 AM
                      12. I see, the devil will not let you go. You stubbornly refuse to properly understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 7:19 AM
                      13. There are not many verses where Jesus said he is God. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:47 PM
                      14. I repeat, the deity of Jesus is not an essential doctrine. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:14 PM
                      15. And who gives you the infallibility to say it's not essential? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:37 PM
                      16. We are not infallible to determine what is essential, we just - Tomas on Feb 14, 10:36 PM
                      17. As I told you elsewhere, you are sooo lost, yet so infallible on essential doctrines. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 7:03 PM
                      18. I do acknowledge there are a few verses that hint Jesus might - Tomas on Feb 22, 3:15 AM
                      19. Re: I do acknowledge there are a few verses that hint Jesus might - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:33 AM
                      20. But in the original languages, no scripture contradicts the doctrine of Christ. - Tomas on Feb 28, 10:42 PM
                      21. They are only "hints" if you don't understand or don't want to understand. Like when you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:26 AM
                      22. I do understand the hints, they tell us that Jesus might be God, - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:16 PM
                      23. Finally I agree with you: you are the master author of confusion: "The word is a god." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 4:26 PM
                      24. That is good Greek in John 1:1. - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:00 AM
                2. Incquisitor, these are gates of Hades, not the second death. - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:45 PM
                  1. Heb. 9:27 says it is appointed for all men to die once, - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 10:01 AM
                    1. If all church members were dead, as you claim, then - Tomas on Jan 31, 10:37 PM
                      1. Your understanding truly STINKS! - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 8:32 AM
                      2. All dead church members are in hades now. - Tomas on Feb 7, 9:21 PM
                      3. Re: All dead church members are in hades now. - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 2:50 PM
                      4. There were always Christians not in hades, alive. - Tomas on Feb 14, 11:13 PM
     
  3. Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" View Thread - Ed_Watson on Apr 22, 9:22 AM
    1. Emmanuel, do you agree with Jesus? - Ed_Watson on Apr 22, 10:51 AM
    2. Haven't you adored your wife? - emmanuel on Apr 22, 7:26 PM
    3. The answer is no. Is that clear enough? Now answer the question. - Ed Watson on Apr 22, 8:28 PM
      1. God is the only God that must be worshiped. Jesus is the only Man that must be worshiped. - emmanuel on Apr 23, 7:47 AM
        1. Emmanuel, I answered your question. Now will you please answer my question? - Ed_Watson on Apr 23, 10:21 AM
          1. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 9:11 PM
        2. So you don't agree with Jesus. You are telling Jesus that he is wrong. - Ed_Watson on Apr 23, 10:32 AM
          1. The use of a synonym depend on its context. - emmanuel on Apr 23, 11:54 AM
          2. Ed Watss, your buddy Emmanuel speaks only a little! - Jim on Apr 23, 4:43 PM
          3. We are not talking about synonyms here. We are talking about worship. - Ed_Watson on Apr 24, 9:16 AM
            1. Emmanuel, do you agree with your brother Jim, that kings should be worshipped too? - Ed_Watson on Apr 25, 9:20 AM
            2. Your God Jesus said to worship HIS GOD, the Father. - Theo Book on Jul 19, 7:31 AM
              1. "BUMP!" for Ed Watson - Your God Jesus said to worship HIS GOD, the Father. - Theo Book on Jul 20, 6:14 AM
                1. Regardless if Jesus is God or not, he can be worshipped. - Tomas on Jul 26, 3:24 PM
                  1. Agreed! Jesus can be worshipped, but not as God. - Theo Book on Jul 28, 2:51 PM
                  2. Jesus called those worshiping him "hypocrites, vain worshippers"!! - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 6:01 PM
        3. Re: God is the only God that must be worshiped. Jesus is the only Man that must be worshiped. - karlos on Apr 27, 5:39 AM
          1. Because that was not the appropriate synonym to use in adoring a wife. - emmanuel on Apr 27, 6:29 AM
            1. Re: Because that was not the appropriate synonym to use in adoring a wife. - karlos on Apr 27, 7:55 PM
              1. If you just followed thoroughly the conversation about the word worship. - emmanuel on Apr 28, 5:10 AM
                1. Re: If you just followed thoroughly the conversation about the word worship. - karlos on Apr 28, 6:49 PM
                2. I followed the conversation and it is blatant insult to Jesus to undermine his command. - Dean O'Gowan on May 3, 4:21 AM
                  1. I call that the complexity of the mind! - Jim on May 3, 4:51 AM
                  2. Jim is going crazy, inventing new phrases and attacking someone who is not even here. - Dean O'Gowan on May 3, 5:32 AM
                    1. at least I don't worship a piece of wood like you do! - Jim on May 3, 4:24 PM
                      1. Re: at least I don't worship a piece of wood like you do! - karlos on May 4, 7:05 AM
                      2. you are also a witness of lies and deception! - Jim on May 4, 8:00 AM
                      3. Re: you are also a witness of lies and deception! - karlos on May 4, 8:27 PM
    4. Low life Ed, how are you doing? - Jim on Apr 23, 4:40 PM
      1. How are you obeying the forum rule, to respect others, - Tomas on Apr 26, 1:48 PM
        1. C.mom Tom, don't you read their post? - Jim on May 1, 4:38 AM
        2. Low life means a person who spread lies and deceptions! - Jim on May 1, 4:52 AM
          1. You are right, for Ed to say INC members never give straight answers, - Tomas on May 3, 5:20 PM
    5. Hi Ed - so...since when do I worship anyone other than God and Jesus? - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Apr 25, 11:35 AM
      1. Why not ask your brother Jim. He posted that his wife accepted his worship and now he - Ed_Watson on Apr 25, 12:18 PM
        1. Ed...perhaps you should double-check the verses before you make accusations. - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Apr 25, 4:54 PM
          1. Why don't you tell that to your bro.? - Ed_Watson on Apr 25, 5:42 PM
            1. Ed, don't be lazy or play ignorant! - Jim on Apr 26, 5:24 AM
          2. Though you knew what he meant exactly by using the word.. - emmanuel on Apr 26, 9:23 AM
          3. Bro. Glenn Cessor does not support you Jim. He says he worships only God and Jesus. - Ed_Watson on Apr 26, 11:55 AM
            1. Ed, you weren't like this before. Instead of trying to make cogent arguments... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Apr 26, 12:31 PM
              1. I think the same way! - Jim on Apr 26, 4:44 PM
            2. Digressions, digressions. Iglesia members never give straight answers. I am not the issue. - Ed_Watson on Apr 26, 7:58 PM
              1. If you don't correct Jim's mistake, you are complicit to blasphemy. - Ed_Watson on Apr 26, 8:18 PM
                1. Open your mind Ed. - emmanuel on Apr 26, 9:14 PM
                  1. Re: Open your mind Ed. - karlos on Apr 26, 11:12 PM
                    1. You need a psychiatrist karlos. It's urgent. - emmanuel on Apr 26, 11:35 PM
                      1. Re: You need a psychiatrist karlos. It's urgent. - karlos on Apr 27, 1:43 AM
                      2. The problem with you is you want to produce other meaning of the words.. - emmanuel on Apr 27, 2:16 AM
                      3. Re: The problem with you is you want to produce other meaning of the words.. - karlos on Apr 27, 5:50 AM
                      4. I apologize for the offense but that is not my intention. - emmanuel on Apr 27, 6:33 AM
                      5. Re: I apologize for the offense but that is not my intention. - karlos on Apr 27, 7:59 PM
          4. Re: Ed...perhaps you should double-check the verses before you make accusations. - karlos on Apr 26, 10:50 PM
            1. Bro. Glenn, I'm waiting for your reply! - karlos on Apr 28, 6:49 PM
            2. it's rather easy. A good tool - though not infallible by any means... - Bro. Glenn Cessor on Apr 30, 12:37 PM
              1. Re: it's rather easy. A good tool - though not infallible by any means... - karlos on Apr 30, 10:48 PM
                1. Really? - Bro. Glenn Cessor on May 2, 12:05 PM
                  1. Re: Really? - karlos on May 3, 5:33 AM
                  2. Hey Bro. Glenn, how are you? Didn't you say you'd never come back here because you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 9, 6:45 AM
              2. Re: it's rather easy. A good tool - though not infallible by any means... - karlos on Apr 30, 10:53 PM
              3. If the writers of the gospel differ themselves on what exactly transpired during the time - Dean O'Gowan on May 3, 4:34 AM
    6. Ed, we are to serve God only, but we can worship Jesus too. - Tomas on Apr 26, 12:41 PM
      1. Tomas, those words are from Matthew 4 - tumpak on Apr 26, 10:24 PM
        1. I know, Jesus was tested by Satan to worship him. And - Tomas on May 3, 5:28 PM
        2. Yes, it's Jesus who is the Lord your God. - tumpak on May 4, 3:08 AM
          1. The Bible says God cannot be tempted. - Tomas on May 11, 12:14 AM
            1. You're misunderstanding the Bible, as you do so many times. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 12, 9:25 AM
              1. That's your interpretation. But the Bible says Jesus was tempted. - Tomas on May 17, 10:26 PM
                1. Tom, that's not an interpretation, that is what happened and you can read it in the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 18, 1:33 PM
                  1. The AMP Bible just tries to explain with words that are not - Tomas on May 24, 6:28 PM
                    1. You always sound like a broken record. God gave us how many books of the Bible? And He - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 6:44 PM
                      1. 66 books. And much is meant for us to understand. - Tomas on May 31, 9:14 PM
                      2. Do you know what "Revelation" means? God gave us an entire book of revelations to keep us - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 6:38 PM
                      3. Guenter, even in the book of Revelation, a lot is hard to understand. - Tomas on Jun 7, 5:04 PM
                      4. Tomas is the fruit of Martin Luther's bible alone doctrine. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 4, 2:27 AM
                      5. Tomas is not a fruit of Luther. Tomas believes he is much smarter than Luther. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 5, 7:11 PM
                      6. Maybe not smarter, but a more careful Bible student. - Tomas on Jun 7, 5:19 PM
                      7. Doubting is not a sin. Mother Theresa was in doubt all her life, yet she was a faithful - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 3:20 PM
                      8. We need faith. So if she was in so much doubt she did not - Tomas on Jun 14, 3:28 PM
                      9. YOU are talking about faith? You're one of the most faithless people here on this forum. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 23, 7:31 PM
                      10. I have very firm faith that Jesus is the Christ, - Tomas on Jun 28, 5:46 PM
                      11. Dean, Bible alone is not originated by Luther, but much earlier, - Tomas on Jun 7, 5:14 PM
                      12. All Protestants. All Protestant think they are better than the Church Jesus founded and - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 6, 10:27 AM
                      13. You're talking nothing but baloney.I am not even Lutheran, my friend. I said, I grew up as - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 3:23 PM
                      14. my INC brothers this forum is full of false preachers!beware! - drake0007 on Jun 14, 9:10 PM
                    2. I hope really that Tomas has stop speculating and focus on crystal-clear verses. - Kumag Ka on Oct 2, 10:27 PM
                      1. It is good to focus on crystal-clear verses, but that does not - Tomas on Oct 11, 9:13 PM
                      2. Against crystal-clear verses, vague and ambiguous verses should not be allowed to pervert - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 7:42 PM
                      3. OK, then stop speculating that Jesus has a human father, - Tomas on Nov 22, 7:24 PM
                      4. that Rev 22:18-19 was made just for you,Tom- stop speculating ! - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 6:32 PM
                      5. Rev 22:18-19 is about adding or subtracting from inerrant - Tomas on Nov 29, 7:31 PM
                      6. When you add to the verse, you speculate, Tom. Preach what is written- not those unwritten - Kumag Ka on Dec 28, 6:27 PM
                      7. Speculation is not forbidden. You speculate that Christ is not God. - Tomas on Jan 3, 7:02 PM
                      8. Speculation not forbidden? Isn't that covered by Deut 12:32? - Kumag Ka on Jan 4, 12:48 AM
                      9. No way. Deut. 12:32 forbids adding to the commandments - Tomas on Jan 4, 1:49 AM
                      10. you are adding to what is written when you speculate, tom. - Kumag Ka on Jan 9, 4:48 AM
                      11. I am not adding to the Bible when I speculate. - Tomas on Jan 10, 5:06 PM
                      12. Speculation is willful reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2:16 PM
                      13. Plenty of Christians have speculated that maybe Jesus had - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:35 PM
                      14. Speculating about the hair of Jesus is not religious speculation. But speculating Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 6:44 AM
                      15. Speculating about the color of his hair is speculating - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:46 AM
                      16. You just can't see the evidence in the Bible. As Einstein once said, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:50 PM
                      17. Einstein was very intelligent, probably more than me, - Tomas on Feb 7, 10:42 PM
                      18. Tomas, I was not talking about their believes but their intellects. Each of them alone - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 11:52 AM
                      19. Well, of course there was no Mensa organization in Luther's - Tomas on Feb 15, 1:44 AM
                      20. These are all benign differences. I can tolerate most of them and accept - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:54 PM
                      21. I do tolerate wrong doctrines of Christians, but - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:06 AM
                      22. I won't even read this. Way toooooo loooooong! Well, I read it anyway. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:45 AM
                      23. Well, it is faster to read than for me to write it all. - Tomas on Feb 28, 9:35 PM
                      24. You obviously have never read Hitler's "Mein Kampf". One of the most stupid books ever - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 4:34 PM
                      25. I have read parts of Mein Kampf. He wrote there effective propaganda, - Tomas on Mar 7, 11:55 PM
     
  4. inc yolanda walk..is this positive initiated by a church or not? View Thread - tf on Mar 7, 4:04 AM
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  6. 2016 target..10 per cent more of phil population View Thread - tf on Mar 2, 9:21 PM
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  8. Martin Luther. Like Felix Manalo, he persuaded himself that he had a divine mission. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 1:34 AM
    1. You're a liar. Luther asked God to help him and protect him from errors. If Luther would - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 4, 5:26 PM
    2. God asked Martin Luther to help him? God needed help? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 5, 2:04 PM
      1. You really misunderstand Guenter. Luther asked God - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:32 PM
        1. Correct, Tomas. Here it goes again. People like Dean who do not understand a simple - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 9:14 PM
          1. Luther understood the Bible somewhat better, but he mistranslated - Tomas on Dec 6, 9:47 PM
            1. Anti-Semitis was wide spread in Europe at Luther's time. He just echoed the sentiment of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 8:24 AM
              1. It's true that anti-Semitism was almost universal among Christians of that time, - Tomas on Dec 20, 7:13 PM
                1. What do you expect from a sinner like Luther? You're throwing the rock Jesus warned all of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 13, 12:01 AM
                  1. He sure talked like he hated Jews, the pope, Catholics - Tomas on Jan 24, 6:35 PM
                    1. For admitting that you didn't read much from Luther you're throwing a lot of salvos - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 7:34 PM
                      1. You don't need to read a lot of Luther to read the venom - Tomas on Jan 24, 7:55 PM
                      2. Keep on throwing rocks like a man without sins. Jesus warned us about people like you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 8:50 PM
                      3. When I sin, I repent. And I hope Luther repented. - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:07 PM
                      4. You threw rocks at a dead person you have very little knowledge about - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 8:14 AM
                      5. I know enough about him. He spoke hateful words towards Catholics, - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:26 AM
                      6. Luther was against religious freedom? How can a man be against religious freedom when he - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 8:47 AM
                      7. He did write a Christian is the most free lord of all - Tomas on Feb 7, 10:20 PM
                      8. I don't know what your sources are, but not even Catholic sources are that hostile as you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:31 PM
                      9. I am definitely not hostile to Catholics, Lutherans, INC members - Tomas on Feb 15, 12:25 AM
                      10. You're writing too much. And yes, all religions are good in their own mind. You cannot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 7:10 PM
                      11. Of course all religions are good in their own mind. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2:59 AM
                      12. To summarize our discussion: YOU were wrong in condemning Luther for his mental problems - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 8:33 AM
                      13. I did not criticize Luther for his mental problems, - Tomas on Mar 1, 1:47 AM
      2. In contrast to Manalo, Luther never claimed to be an angel. He knew, he was a sinner that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 9:19 PM
    3. You two Protestants need to read "New Light on Martin Luther." - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 6, 7:01 PM
      1. OK, so he mistranslated Rom. 3:28. But he did make some valuable - Tomas on Dec 6, 7:51 PM
      2. How can you believe a website when the very first sentence of that website is wrong? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 3:29 PM
    4. Again Tomas teaches new doctrine of Martin Luther like sola scriptura, or abolishing the - Dean O Gowan on Dec 7, 2:56 PM
      1. Sola scriptura was taught by the apostles, based on 1 Cor. 4:6. - Tomas on Dec 20, 7:35 PM
    5. So if the apostles believe in sola scriptura, what bible version did they use? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 13, 3:12 PM
      1. Dean, don't shoot yourself in the foot! The OT, of course! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 12:28 PM
      2. Dean, the OT in Hebrew and parts in Aramaic, plus whatever part - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:02 PM
     
  9. Question to the MODERATOR: When I joined this forum some 6 years ago, I thought the last View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 11:41 PM
    1. It appears that the forum owner had - Albert on Jan 19, 5:21 PM
      1. If true, the moderator is a smart man. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 10:59 AM
    2. No, your memory did not fool you. IMOR has converted to Catholicism. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 20, 1:29 AM
      1. God enlightened him then. We need to pray that emmanuel, Tomas and others will receive the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 11:35 AM
        1. I too have received the same grace from God. And Emmanuel - Tomas on Jan 24, 6:38 PM
          1. Not quite, Tomas. God graced the Moderator to see the falsehood in INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 7:19 PM
            1. I don't defend falsehood. I see some falsehood in all churches, - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:00 PM
              1. INC teaches a different gospel than the Apostles did, ergo, a false gospel. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 10:33 AM
                1. Their doctrine that Jesus is not God, is nowhere in the Bible defined - Tomas on Feb 22, 2:36 AM
                  1. You're right, it's nowhere defined. So they are teaching a gospel, that can be nowhere - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 9:25 AM
                    1. The opposite doctrine, that he is God, is nowhere defined - Tomas on Feb 28, 9:13 PM
     
  10. Dean, I LOVE your new Pope Francis. He wants to reform the Catholic Church. He sounds View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 28, 5:31 PM
    1. You probably have heard that he suspended a German bishop for lavish living. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 28, 8:28 PM
      1. Yes, I have. Pope Francis would have done the same thing to Pope - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 9:00 AM
        1. Pope Benedict also liked to live quite lavishly. - Tomas on Nov 29, 5:20 PM
          1. What's your point? Did I say I loved Pope Benedikt? - Guenter (EX-INC Student) on Nov 29, 6:29 PM
            1. No, but you said that about pope Leo, and Francis did not criticize - Tomas on Nov 29, 6:47 PM
              1. How would he critisize a Pope that has been dead for almost 500 years? But if Francis - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 7:53 PM
                1. I can criticize Leo X today, why not? And of course Francis - Tomas on Dec 6, 7:03 PM
                  1. What good does it do to criticize a dead Pope other than justifying Luther's actions? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 10:34 PM
                    1. Just like you criticize dead Manalos. It is not a sin to criticize - Tomas on Dec 20, 7:49 PM
                      1. Pope Francis is looking forward, not backwards. Criticizing Pope Leo X doesn't bring the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 11:26 PM
                      2. FYM was not infallible, but his ideas were not satanic. - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:14 PM
                      3. Manalo and his successors are teaching a different Gospel than the Apostles did. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 4:24 PM
                      4. No, the same gospel as the apostles taught. - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:52 AM
                      5. John doesn't talk about gospel doctrines, John talks about DOCTRINES without any modifier. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 9:41 AM
                      6. Do you really expect everyone to learn everything in the Bible - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:53 PM
    2. God was the Architect of Solomon's Temple. God inspired St. Peter's Basilica. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 29, 3:52 PM
      1. But Guenter is Orthodox. So does he not love the Hagia Sophia - Tomas on Nov 29, 5:23 PM
        1. According to the rule of this forum, we don't ask for our church affiliation, Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Student) on Nov 29, 6:37 PM
          1. I see 5 rules of this forum above, from A to E. And none - Tomas on Nov 29, 6:44 PM
            1. No big deal. And I wouldn't know if they'd teach the wrong Gospel, only you know. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 7:44 PM
              1. I think in most cases at least you do know. For example - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:30 PM
                1. Sorry, I was wrong. But one thing is for sure, you always know better. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:33 PM
                  1. I don't always know better. And concerning others who seem saved, - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:50 PM
                    1. See, here you go again. You're telling me to join INC to be saved. Yet Jesus said - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 6:36 AM
                      1. I am not telling you to join INC, you can be saved also outside INC. - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:53 AM
                      2. Read what you said again, you recommended to join INC so I will be saved.. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:32 PM
                      3. I have re-read it, but you re-read it. That is not what I said. - Tomas on Feb 7, 11:54 PM
                      4. Define gospel for me, please. Define and list all primary doctrines. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 8:29 AM
                      5. OK, I will try to list them all again. - Tomas on Feb 15, 3:13 AM
                      6. You didn't do your homework. You didn't define Gospel. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:05 PM
                      7. I have defined the gospel, it is the good news doctrines necessary - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:58 AM
            2. I hope you read the Bible more closely than the rules of this forum. You missed the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 11:32 PM
              1. No, I am not asking about your deed/practice. - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:40 PM
                1. What Bible verse is telling us that God prohibited to celebrate the birthday of Jesus? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:37 PM
                  1. Jesus said we are to worship in spirit and truth. - Tomas on Jan 24, 10:00 PM
                    1. Excuse me? We are not worshiping Jesus in spirit and truth when we celebrate his - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 8:19 PM
                      1. Dec. 25th is a lie. And you should not use the pagan - Tomas on Feb 1, 1:11 AM
                      2. Your arrogance may cost you your eternal life. December 25 a lie? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:21 PM
                      3. Cost me eternal life, for disagreeing on Dec. 25? - Tomas on Feb 8, 12:05 AM
                      4. Calling people who celebrate Christmas on December 25 "liars" may cost you eternal life. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 8:06 AM
                      5. I am not calling you liars, you are not lying on purpose. - Tomas on Feb 15, 3:41 AM
                      6. You're always writing long sermons to get you out of trouble. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2:22 PM
                      7. Sorry for being so wordy sometimes. - Tomas on Feb 22, 5:10 AM
                      8. You're calling everybody who observes Dec. 25 a liar when you call Dec. 25 a lie. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:33 AM
                      9. Not a knowing liar, not a rebel against God. - Tomas on Feb 28, 9:01 PM
      2. Here are my answers for you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 8:05 PM
    3. Martin Luther, reformer? - Dean O Gowan on Nov 30, 12:53 AM
      1. Yes, reformer, genius and reformer. Even in your article he is being called reformer - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student on Nov 30, 9:20 AM
      2. The Protestant Reformation was not really a reform. It was a revolution. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 6:33 PM
        1. You're just a hawkish ignorant. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 2, 5:30 AM
      3. Guenter, I understand you glamorize Martin Luther. If you read his works, then - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 7, 4:56 PM
        1. I'm not glamorizing Luther. I am only saying it was about time that someone exposed the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 2:52 PM
     
  11. Undeniable proof, delivered by INC's very own Pasugo, that FYM is not a messenger of God. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 9, 7:50 AM
    1. Messengers of God today are not infallible, they can err - Tomas on Nov 15, 5:04 PM
      1. If they erred in primary or secondary doctrines, then they were not sent by God. - Kumag Kayo on Nov 15, 6:45 PM
        1. Do you really expect us to be infallible? Do you think - Tomas on Nov 22, 8:13 PM
          1. if God sent the messenger, then he should only be preaching what he was told - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 7:02 PM
            1. For once, I agree with you. How can a message from God be an error? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 24, 9:17 AM
              1. Our message is the Bible. And that is accurate. - Tomas on Nov 29, 7:18 PM
                1. Messengers of God are SENT by God with HIS message. HIS message has NO errors. If any - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 3, 8:41 AM
                  1. So you are not sent by God? You have no message from God? - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:46 PM
                    1. No, I'm not a messnger or angel of God. God never told me to deliver any messages. I am - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 9:00 PM
                      1. God tells all of us to spread the gospel. So we deliver - Tomas on Dec 6, 9:23 PM
                      2. It's just the opposite, Tomas. I was depressed because I had read in Pasugo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 10:04 PM
                      3. That thought was not from God, it was a divisive thought - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:30 PM
                      4. Yes, you're right, God Jesus told the Apostles to spread the Gospel, to "teach" all - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 10:08 PM
                      5. I agree with you on that. - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:32 PM
                      6. Good! So we are all teachers when we read from the Bible. But not messengers. FYM claims - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 22, 4:00 PM
                      7. As I have explained to you on the bottom of this thread, - Tomas on Jan 24, 6:16 PM
                      8. FYM mainly carried the message of hatred towards the RCC. As you may know the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 8:06 PM
                      9. That is not mainly. The main thing is the gospel. - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:10 PM
                      10. Spreading hatred is the true gospel? Intimidating people is the true gospel? Misusing the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 8:45 PM
                      11. Don't you spread hatred towards the INC? So you are no betterq - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:56 PM
                      12. Jesus said to love our enemies. You're saying INC is not supposed to love churches she - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:29 PM
                      13. I have been to plenty of INC services, but I have never heard - Tomas on Jan 24, 10:57 PM
                      14. Be careful in what you're saying! I DON'T HATE INC! And hating a church is hating the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 9:14 AM
                      15. I love all unsaved people, but I hate false gospels. - Tomas on Feb 1, 2:08 AM
                      16. Were we talking what or whom you are hating? Who even cares? INC is hating all other - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:13 PM
                      17. Of course, they consider other churches to be false gospels. - Tomas on Feb 8, 12:24 AM
                      18. If you hate, you're not a follower of Christ who said, we need to love our enemies. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 12:38 PM
                      19. I do love all enemies. Including those in al-Qaida. - Tomas on Feb 22, 2:29 AM
                      20. Good for you that you're loving your enemies. INC does NOT. Or would you say, calling me - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 9:52 AM
                      21. I have never seen any INC teaching that we should not love - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:49 PM
            2. Kumag Ka, we as messengers of God have the right to interpret - Tomas on Nov 29, 7:14 PM
              1. That is pure baloney. The Bible already is the message of God. We read the message. That - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 3, 9:01 AM
                1. When we read the Bible to others, we are God's messengers - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:54 PM
                  1. Jews call those people Rabbi = teacher, Catholics Father = teacher. None of all those - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 8:51 PM
                    1. We are not to call ministers rabbis or fathers, as you Orthodox - Tomas on Dec 6, 9:27 PM
                      1. They are teachers, teachers, teachers! Jesus told the Apostles to "teach". That is what - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 9:49 PM
                      2. Yes, teach, spreading the message of the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:36 PM
                2. At least when the verse we read is translated correctly. - Tomas on Dec 6, 8:03 PM
                  1. You confuse "teacher" with "messenger". When your teacher in school transmits kn - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 7, 8:12 AM
                    1. The math lesson is a message too. All information - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:44 PM
                      1. You're so totally confused. A messenger of Napoleon got the message directly from - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 3:25 PM
                      2. Your definition of messenger fits here. - Tomas on Jan 24, 6:06 PM
                      3. What part of "from one person to another" did you not understand? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 8:21 PM
                      4. I spread the message of the gospel from one person, Jesus, - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:00 PM
                      5. Jesus spoke to you? WOW! He never spoke to me, I just read the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:11 PM
                      6. He did not speak to me, except through the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:15 PM
     
  12. The Catholic Church Jesus founded will last forever! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 6:53 AM
    1. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 7:57 PM
      1. "By their fruits you will know them" (Matt. 7:20). - INCquisitor on Jan 9, 4:41 AM
        1. Do you think you are infallible? - Tomas on Jan 10, 5:23 PM
          1. Tomas, why can't you believe what Jesus says? - INCquisitor on Jan 12, 3:54 PM
            1. I do believe Jesus. And I understand Mt. 7:15-20 better - Tomas on Jan 24, 7:16 PM
              1. Re: I do believe Jesus. And I understand Mt. 7:15-20 better - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 5:25 PM
                1. The ravenous wolves are not Christians, so they are not people like Catholics, - Tomas on Jan 31, 11:37 PM
                  1. Your understanding truly STINKS! - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 7:24 AM
                    1. I have to agree with INCquisitor, also Catholics can be ravenous - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 5:57 PM
                      1. False prophets are "ravenous wolves" and also blind leaders. - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 7:22 AM
                      2. You're a ravenous wolf yourself. Jesus was talking about the Pharisees. Were the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 9:03 AM
                      3. Jesus was talking of "false prophets who come in - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 10:57 AM
                      4. This is correct. But there is no prophecy, that says all church leaders will turn into - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 3, 11:23 AM
                      5. The core of the Catholic Church came from the few - INCquisitor on Feb 3, 11:56 AM
                      6. Your misunderstandings are hilarious. There is no prophecy in Acts 20:29 that would - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 4, 7:25 AM
                      7. Jesus did not lose "all" his sheep. - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 12:15 PM
                      8. You're still repeating INC crap. You never left that false church. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 6, 2:11 PM
                      9. I did not say the INC is Jesus' sheep, did I? - INCquisitor on Feb 6, 7:20 PM
                      10. You don't even know church history. If the Catholic Church started in the 8th century, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 7, 9:01 AM
                      11. Guenter, I agree with you some Catholics are ravenous. - Tomas on Feb 7, 7:00 PM
                      12. Hallelujah, Tomas admits a mistake! People, mark your calender! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:55 PM
                      13. Yes, made a mistake, but at least I can spell calendar. - Tomas on Feb 14, 6:07 PM
                      14. What a cheap shot. True Tomas is coming alive. No typos allowed here. Must be an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 7:13 PM
                      15. That was just a friendly comment. After all, I myself admitted - Tomas on Feb 21, 10:20 PM
                      16. If it was meant to be friendly, I will forgive you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 9:13 AM
                      17. OK, thank you. Let's be friends again. - Tomas on Feb 28, 7:38 PM
                    2. INCquisitor, of course unsaved priests are ravenous wolves, but saved priests - Tomas on Feb 7, 6:56 PM
                      1. There is no "saved" priest in the Catholic Church. - INCquisitor on Feb 9, 4:55 PM
                      2. Catholic priests preach the gospel, some believe it, so are saved. - Tomas on Feb 14, 7:33 PM
                      3. Re: Catholic priests preach the gospel, some believe it, so are saved. - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 8:14 AM
                      4. We don't have to know everything Bible says about Christ, to be saved. - Tomas on Feb 22, 12:08 AM
    2. Actually, the Satanic control over the church ended with the reformation - Jason on Jan 8, 8:57 PM
      1. The church was never controlled by Satan. - Tomas on Jan 10, 5:20 PM
        1. One who goes AGAINST the doctrines of Christ is.... - INCquisitor on Jan 14, 11:41 AM
          1. Bread and butter error verse of INC and their cohorts: John 17:3. You and the false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 12:06 PM
            1. John 17:3 is a vague verse not telling us if the Father alone is the only - Tomas on Jan 24, 7:28 PM
              1. Sure, you are the expert who is gonna be saved or not. Not by God's grace, but your grace. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 8:34 PM
                1. By God's grace. And I don't know who is saved, I only know - Tomas on Jan 24, 8:46 PM
                  1. You said more than once that you know that you are saved. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:57 PM
                    1. I waited for God's grace, I appealed to God to make it clear to me, - Tomas on Jan 24, 10:19 PM
                      1. Well, you don't believe in one of the essential or primary doctrines, namely the deity of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 6:07 PM
                      2. The deity of Jesus is not an essential doctrine. - Tomas on Jan 31, 11:56 PM
                      3. You're so infallible about essential and none essential doctrines. Unfortunately, you will - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 2, 9:06 AM
                      4. It is very clear in the Bible, that there is no verse saying - Tomas on Feb 7, 7:04 PM
                      5. It only says you will die in your sins, but that, of course, is not essential. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:53 PM
                      6. It does not say you need to believe in whatever He says, - Tomas on Feb 14, 8:03 PM
                      7. Good for you that you want to believe everything that Jesus said. Unfortunately, you don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 5:58 PM
                      8. I believe in everything Jesus said, both words in the Bible, - Tomas on Feb 22, 12:25 AM
                      9. How do you know Jesus said something if it is not recorded in the Bible? - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 9:03 AM
                      10. Tomas needs to add to what is written to make his wrong believes plausible. I have to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 9:17 AM
                      11. Alright, Tom, I know. At least you know how to spell "his beliefs". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:34 AM
                      12. Yes, I probably learned to spell belief in tenth grade. - Tomas on Feb 28, 7:53 PM
                      13. INCquisitor, he must have, otherwise he would not have allowed - Tomas on Feb 28, 7:41 PM
                      14. You're not only adding to the scriptures, you're also adding to what I said. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 9:49 AM
                      15. I am not adding to the Bible, what I add I don't put in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:15 PM
          2. INCquisitor, belief that the Father alone is the only true God, is not - Tomas on Jan 24, 7:25 PM
            1. The belief tht the Father is the ONLY TRUE God is - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 5:33 PM
              1. Trinitarians and binitarians do believe that the Father is the only true God. - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:03 AM
                1. What are you Tomas, a Trinitarian or an Binitarian? - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 7:53 AM
                  1. I am neither. I am a believer in the doctrine that we can't - Tomas on Feb 7, 7:08 PM
                    1. Didn't you know or don't you believe that Jesus said... - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 5:07 AM
                      1. He did say he was a man, he did not say he would be a man again - Tomas on Feb 14, 8:17 PM
                      2. Jesus is MAN now and will be a MAN when he comes again. - INCquisitor on Feb 18, 6:09 PM
                      3. He will be a man when he comes again, but he is not necessarily a man now. - Tomas on Feb 22, 12:47 AM
                      4. How many TRUE Gods are here Tomas? Who are they? - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 4:39 AM
                      5. Only one true God, who might be more than one person. - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:16 PM
        2. Not entirely controlled by Satan, but a great many Catholic leaders were. The were the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 15, 12:12 PM
        3. The RCC was never the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 7:18 AM
          1. What other church existed from the onset? NONE, the only church in existence for hundreds - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 7:57 AM
            1. The Catholic church was never the only church in existence. - Tomas on Jan 24, 7:51 PM
              1. OK, I was in part wrong, but you are too. The RCC and ALL the Orthodox - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 9:03 PM
                1. The Catholic church excommunicated the Monophysite churches, - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:13 PM
                  1. It's not in the Bible? Here you go again, you said you'll be saved but you're telling lies - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 8:07 AM
                    1. This was a temporary Law of Moses commandment. - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:13 AM
                      1. Jesus abolished to worship and serve God only when He told Satan to do just that? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:55 PM
                      2. Not at that time. Only later, after he appointed his twelve - Tomas on Feb 7, 7:10 PM
                      3. LOL, we can't know when, but we know THAT? No witness, He did it, but He did? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:45 PM
                      4. Jesus said a lot that is not in the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 14, 8:40 PM
                      5. You shall not add to what is written. You do, to defend your errors! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 7:15 PM
                      6. I am not adding to the Bible. Those words were indeed not written. - Tomas on Feb 22, 12:57 AM
                      7. You're a joke, Tomas, really. YOU need to harmonize the Bible, God was too stupid to do - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 10:09 AM
                      8. God is not stupid. His Bible is in harmony, only we need - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:27 PM
                      9. Tomas, that's reading BEYOND what is written. - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 4:42 AM
                      10. INCquisitor, I totally agree with you. Tomas seems to become the jerk of the forum here. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 9:59 AM
                      11. I proclaim we are not supposed to know, only about things - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:34 PM
                      12. No, INCquisitor, that is only trying to figure out what the written - Tomas on Feb 28, 8:31 PM
      2. RCC is still under the control of Satan and Protestants too. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 7:14 AM
        1. Not true, the saved Catholics and Protestants do not deny - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:17 AM
          1. The Cathoic Church teaches "doctrines of demons... - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 6:45 AM
            1. No, 1 Tim. 4:1-3 is not about the Catholic church, it is a prophecy - Tomas on Feb 7, 7:22 PM
              1. It is the ledership of any religious organization - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 3:24 PM
                1. It is a sin of ignorance, they say those things are not idols, - Tomas on Feb 14, 9:00 PM
        2. INCquisitor, in your heart you are still an Iglesia. You believe Iglesia teachings. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 1, 8:59 AM
          1. Catholic and INC have both departed from the faith and - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 3:05 PM
    3. Jason contradicts the words of Jesus and displays lack of faith in Him. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 9, 3:27 AM
     
 
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