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  1. The earth is the footstool of whom? View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:34 AM
    1. Do you mind telling us what the Bible says? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:21 AM
    2. Michael, the earth is the footstool of Yahweh, God the Father. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:49 AM
     
  2. In Matt. 4:6, who was Satan tempting? View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:25 AM
    1. Satan was talking to Jesus, wasn't he? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:20 AM
      1. So your answer would be Jesus, right? - Michael on May 29, 2015, 11:01 PM
     
  3. All INC members have left this forum like rats the sinking ship. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 25, 2015, 1:38 PM
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  5. The antiChrist. View Thread - Michael on Nov 27, 2014, 3:14 AM
    1. John explains it in the next verse, 2:23. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:06 AM
      1. 1 John 2: 23 is not an explanation of verse 22 Tomas. Take hold of your ncomprehension Tom - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 12:20 PM
        1. It sure is. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:09 PM
          1. If you insist, then I'm not surprised that you understand scriptures differently. - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
            1. You surprise me. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:39 PM
              1. Don't be Tomas. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 5:39 AM
                1. It is not an issue of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:14 PM
                  1. To you it's not Tomas. But to John it is. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:57 AM
                    1. But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 4:35 AM
                      1. Re: But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:37 AM
                      2. I don't agree with your definition of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:28 AM
                      3. No problem Tomas. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 7:48 AM
                      4. OK. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:32 AM
                      5. Re: OK. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      6. More about denying God, and about the term Father. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 8:02 AM
                      7. Re: Christ can still be called the Only Begotten Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:13 PM
                      8. I think Michael is right that Christ was begotten in the beginning, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:44 PM
                      9. I'm sorry to say Michael is wrong, so are you. Psalm 2:7 is a promise, not an act. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:34 AM
                      10. But it is in past tense. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20 AM
                      11. "I will proclaim..." is past tense?? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      12. Just the proclamation is future. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:21 PM
                      13. But I didn't say that Christ was begotten in the beginning. - Michael on Feb 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
                      14. Oh, Tom,as was again lying??? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
                      15. I was going by my memory. I will see how Michael will answer me. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:25 PM
                      16. Michael, you told me he was begotten in eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:24 PM
                      17. Perhaps, but not mean that He was created from eternity past as you have it mean. - Michael on Feb 22, 2015, 2:09 AM
                      18. I agree with you Michael. One has to understand "eternally" to know that eternally - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 1:27 PM
                      19. So now you have 2 begettings of Christ, before you told me - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:49 AM
                      20. You're changing the subject. The subject is, was Christ created. No word of Christ's - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 9:10 PM
                      21. Yes, I changed the subject, you both now have 2 begettings. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:13 AM
                      22. Jesus was begotten prior to God's work of creation. Prior to creation there was nothing - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:22 AM
                      23. Prior to creation there was the Father and Melchizedek - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      24. Michael, I never said he was created from eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:01 AM
                      25. Re: Michael, I never said he was created from eternity past. - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 3:50 AM
                      26. God did not create the first day. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      27. Of course God did Tomas. - Michael on Apr 5, 2015, 3:55 AM
                      28. You're partly taking Gen. 1 too literally, and partly you disagree with the literal anyway - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:00 AM
                      29. Re: You're partly taking Gen. 1 too literally, and partly you disagree with the literal anyway - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 7:10 PM
                      30. Why would God not be able to segment time before creation into hours etc.? - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:24 AM
                      31. For one, it's not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 6:48 PM
                      32. It is an issue, Michael. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      33. You want to make it an issue, but it's not. - Michael on Apr 26, 2015, 6:50 PM
                      34. You started the issue by talking about first day. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:23 AM
                      35. Michael, how can you intelligently discuss with a person like Tomas who doesn't know what - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      36. Do you know what NOBODY means? There is nobody who has not sinned. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:12 AM
                      37. You need to read Romans 3:22. Did you? See, how wrong you are? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:34 AM
                      38. Rom. 3:22 says 'all them that believe'. Does Christ believe? Of course he does. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      39. I knew you'd say: Does Christ believe? Christ is the Savior, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 26, 2015, 9:43 AM
                      40. Christ most certainly believes in himself. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:28 AM
                      41. Of course did Christ believe in himself, yet he is not a believer but the leader, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 3, 2015, 7:40 PM
                      42. Of course he is the leader, and the founder of Christianity. - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:54 AM
     
  6. Going on vacation for about two weeks. If I need to respond to you, remind me in two weeks View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 6, 2015, 4:18 PM
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  8. To the administrator: The option: "Also send response to my email address" hasn't been View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 4, 2015, 5:57 PM
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  10. INC CONVERT STORY View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 9:10 PM
    1. What about INC desertion stories? INC membership is on the decline, my friend! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:31 PM
    2. how do you feel worshiping a man? how do call a man worshiping a creature? - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 10:50 PM
      1. Christ might be a man again. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:46 PM
        1. Where does your doctrine come from? - INCquisitor on Mar 29, 2015, 8:59 AM
          1. From the Bible. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:56 AM
            1. Not the Bible but your own opinion or assumption. - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2015, 12:13 PM
              1. Based on reading the Bible more literally than you do. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 2:28 AM
        2. ok Tomas, keep up with your "maybe, might be", I won't argue with that. - Karlos on Mar 31, 2015, 1:54 AM
          1. Karlos, I only learned the other day how old Tomas is. I'm amazed how a man of his age can - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 31, 2015, 7:13 AM
            1. Guenter, I am now trying not to argue with him. - Karlos on Apr 1, 2015, 2:05 AM
              1. Good for you. God bless! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 1, 2015, 11:10 AM
                1. tnx! God bless! - Karlos on Apr 1, 2015, 11:37 PM
            2. Aren't all of us foolish about some things? - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 6:00 AM
          2. Karlos, are you not undecided about anything? - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:58 AM
     
  11. For all of you who deny the deity of Jesus Christ: View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 2, 2015, 9:14 AM
    1. You said "God is not an idiot," didn't you? - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 6:12 AM
      1. INCquisitor, did God commanded Jesus to write John 8:40 and John 17:3? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 6:18 AM
        1. I did not say, "commanded to WRITE." - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 6:27 AM
          1. I just quoted what you said INCquisitor, which have "to WRITE". - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 6:51 AM
      2. INCquisitor, did God commanded Jesus what to say in John 17? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 6:22 AM
        1. I see that you don;t believe what Jesus said as God inspired John to write in John 12:49. - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 6:30 AM
          1. You wrongly see me then, for I believe all of scriptures INCquisitor. - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 6:59 AM
            1. All of John 17? No. But God commanded Jesus what to say in John 17:3. - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 3:29 PM
              1. Jesus spoke nothing on his own authority, see John 5:30, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 3:35 AM
                1. What do you understand by "Jesus spoke nothing on his own authority"? - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:49 AM
                  1. It means that everything he said was inspired by his Father. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 12:12 AM
                2. That's only your interpretation of John 17:5. - INCquisitor on Apr 4, 2015, 5:35 PM
                  1. My interpretation is in harmony with the rest of the Bible. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 12:26 AM
              2. Isn't John 17, Jesus' prayer? Do you know what a prayer is? - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:48 AM
                1. I know John 17: is a prayer and I know what a prayer is. - INCquisitor on Apr 4, 2015, 5:41 PM
                  1. Really INcquisitor? Why then do you still not understand John 17? - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:43 PM
      3. If you'd only be able to go back to the original Greek scripts, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 3, 2015, 8:19 AM
        1. I don't see any fatal errors in my understanding of John 8:40 and John 17:3. - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 3:51 PM
          1. Of course you don't see. Because you're blind.. That's your problem! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 4, 2015, 6:54 AM
            1. You resort to nitpicking to fiercely defend your FALSE Trnity doctrine. - INCquisitor on Apr 4, 2015, 5:49 PM
              1. It's not nitpicking, INCquisitor. It's exposing the truth in the Bible. I do not have to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 5, 2015, 7:30 AM
                1. The truth is.... - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2015, 9:45 AM
                  1. I understand what you're saying: You don't understand the Bible. We know from other verses - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 5, 2015, 6:30 PM
                    1. It is your MISINTERPRETATION of these verses that tells you.... - INCquisitor on Apr 6, 2015, 4:45 PM
                      1. You initially admitted yourself that Galatians 1:1 says it. But you dismissed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 7, 2015, 5:29 AM
     
  12. Baptism into the TRUE body or church of Christ: Prerequisite for salvation. View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 24, 2015, 3:22 PM
    1. Thank you for not responding to many open threads. That means you agree with those you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 2015, 8:54 PM
    2. First, tell us INCquisitor, what is Baptism? - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:20 AM
      1. Do this simple and basic question shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:05 AM
        1. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
        2. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
      2. Your question is immaterial. Refute my post, if you can. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:23 PM
        1. My question is one that you can't apparently answer, and is very material. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 12:59 AM
    3. INCquisitor, only the Holy Spirit baptism is necessary for salvation, not water - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:41 AM
      1. The thief on the cross did not repent. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:42 AM
        1. Mark did write both thieves reviled Jesus, but then Luke added - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 11:00 AM
          1. Luke did not make any observation. He merely wrote what he heard. - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:31 PM
            1. Two blind and deaf people are disagreeing on what the Apostles and what Jesus said. Very - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:03 PM
            2. INCquisitor, Luke was inspired by God to write the truth. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:56 PM
              1. Matthew, Mark and Luke harmonize WITHOUT thinking beyond what is written. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:08 AM
                1. Well, you clearly harmonize them strangely. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 7:32 AM
                  1. Re: Well, you clearly harmonize them strangely. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:38 PM
                    1. You keep misunderstanding the account in Luke. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 12:44 AM
                      1. Matthew and Mark said the robbers (plural) REVILED Jesus (Matt. 27:44; Mark 15:32). - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 2:58 PM
                      2. Of course they wrote it. And then Luke wrote what happened later. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 4:56 AM
                      3. You are only stating your opinion, aren't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 21, 2015, 6:53 AM
                      4. My belief, like that of other Christians, is based on harmonizing Luke with Matthew and - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 9:02 AM
                      5. Death is a "STATE of peace or bliss." The tomb is a "PLACE of peace or bliss." - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 6:43 AM
                      6. Death is the wage of sin. It's punishment. Punishment is not a state of bliss and peace. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 6:28 PM
                      7. Are you saying that Jesus was not in a STATE of peace when he died on the cross? - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 5:59 PM
                      8. I'm saying that death is the wage of sin & is punishment, not peace & bliss, INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 25, 2015, 6:23 PM
                      9. In what STATE was Jesus in the day he died, PEACE or torment? - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 6:32 PM
                      10. Is the punishment for sin, that is, death, a peaceful and blissful thing? - Michael on Mar 27, 2015, 5:57 PM
                      11. INCquisitor, the state of being dead is not called paradise. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 10:31 PM
                      12. Only way to harmonize Luke with Matthew and Mark is to NOT think beyond what is written - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:32 PM
                      13. But you are misinterpreting Luke by claiming the thief reviled Jesus in Luke. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:25 PM
    4. And what is Baptism INCquisitor? If you don't know, why do you speak of it? - Michael on Mar 27, 2015, 6:00 PM
      1. INCquisitor, WHAT IS BAPTISM? If you don't know, why do you even preach about it? - Michael on Apr 9, 2015, 7:10 AM
     
  13. A Trinitarian says God is NOT an IDIOT. View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 2, 2015, 3:10 PM
    1. And an anti-trinitarian would say the opposite, is that right INCquisitor? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 3:33 AM
      1. An anti-Trinitarian CONCURS with the Trinitarian that God is NOT an IDIOT - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 4:40 AM
        1. Is the INC not an anti-trinitarian? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 5:38 AM
    2. This is not worth a response since you remain in your fatal errors about John 8:40 and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 3, 2015, 8:22 AM
     
 
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