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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. INC members left this forum, INC, the church founded by the devil, is in decline. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 9:58 AM
    1. Colonel Guenter, that Eduardo Manalo dude is God's representative - Oberst Ozzy Osborn - not Colonel TheOtherOzzy on Jul 22, 2015, 7:47 AM
     
  2. Before the Bible existed, the first century Christians documented that Jesus is God. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 19, 2015, 3:36 AM
    1. Make this: " Before the NT existed..." - My stepson received no reply from you on his on May 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
    2. Guenter, how did they know the inscriptions are from first century? - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 3:42 PM
      1. It was in Greek. It just said Jesus Christ God Son Savior. And it was a code Christians - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2015, 9:01 AM
      2. Ephesus is being excavated by Austrian archaeologists. They are more experts than I am. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2015, 9:09 AM
        1. OK, I would like to know how did they figure it is already from first century. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:59 AM
      3. Well, Tomas, you don't believe the first century Christians either, don't you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2015, 6:51 AM
        1. I believe first century apostles, and all Bible writers, - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:11 AM
          1. No, you don't believe all Bible writers. You believe wrong translators, based on the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 2, 2015, 12:16 PM
            1. I believe it as it is in original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:29 AM
              1. Who said there is a different word order in John 1:1? But, didn't you ever wonder why the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 7:52 AM
                1. These articles don't really have anything to say about focus fronted - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 1:52 PM
                  1. ...and the Word was a God...? Scholars unanimously answer: "NO"! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:11 PM
                    1. Oooopss...sorry..of course.."a god"....but wrong in any case. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:14 PM
                      1. Even if Westcott is right, that theos without the article described his nature, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:35 PM
                      2. What reputable scholars say about the New World Translation of John 1:1: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:43 PM
                      3. I think these scholars are reacting negatively to the JW incorrect insistence - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 6:05 PM
                      4. Grammar has nothing to do with Christian or any other faith. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 7, 2015, 7:13 AM
                      5. Who translated the NWT that says "and the Word was a god"? Amateurs like you! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:46 PM
                      6. It has happened more than once, in fact plenty of times, that all scholars - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 6:13 PM
                      7. Fine, no human being seems to be able to clear your twisted mind. You'll remain a fool for - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      8. If I am wrong, and I am not convinced before I die, then I will be gladly corrected after - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 8:15 AM
    3. Apostle Paul warned against Trinitarians in his epistles. - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 3:59 AM
      1. Trinitarian theory about Jesus is not belief in another Jesus. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:03 AM
        1. Trinitarian belief about Jesus is belief in another Jesus that the apostles - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 9:06 AM
          1. But trinitarians also usually say that Jesus is a man. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 9:24 AM
            1. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is also God CONTRARY to what Jesus says in John 17:3. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 7:12 PM
              1. As long as you misapply John 17:3 you will remain in your foolish error. I told you a long - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 2, 2015, 12:22 PM
                1. Let's say you tell your mother.... - INCquisitor on Jun 2, 2015, 4:19 PM
                  1. Wrong analogy. Jesus did not say "MY" only true God. Jesus said "THE" only true - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2015, 6:38 AM
                  2. Let's say you tell your mother ..... - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 5:56 AM
              2. INCquisitor, that is not quite what Jesus said in John 17:3. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:43 AM
                1. Man is a human being. A baby boy isalso man or a human being. - INCquisitor on Jun 7, 2015, 5:29 PM
                  1. LOL, INCquisitor, you're full of fallacies. Did Jesus say "that they may know you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2015, 6:03 AM
                  2. INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - Michael on Jun 8, 2015, 1:41 PM
                    1. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - INCquisitor on Jun 8, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      1. You're only halfway there. While you're correct that "It stands to reason that the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2015, 7:14 AM
                      2. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 6:16 AM
                      3. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - INCquisitor on Jun 13, 2015, 7:07 PM
                      4. INCquisitor - Michael on Jun 24, 2015, 11:14 PM
                      5. Michael, I don't know who taught you grammar, but how the hell can "only" be a "relat - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 13, 2015, 9:40 PM
                      6. John 17:3 excludes anyone who is NOT the Father as the only true God. - INCquisitor on Jun 14, 2015, 4:00 PM
                      7. LOL, INCquisitor. Keep on misunderstanding John 17:3 and you will die in your sins. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2015, 4:51 PM
                      8. INCquisitor, Jesus said nothing to the Father in John 17:3. - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:53 PM
                      9. Pardon me Guenter, it's not grammar really, but comprehension. - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:50 PM
                      10. How can you comprehend if you don't know correct grammar? That's INCquisitor's huge - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2015, 9:23 AM
                      11. Knowing correct grammar is one, but that is not all there is in understanding a statement. - Michael on Jun 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
                      12. The first statement doesn't exclude others to also be a true God. The second - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      13. Both statements excludes other gods to also be a true God. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:37 AM
                      14. If the statement "the true God" would exclude others to also be true God, the word "o - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      15. Ok, I will. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:35 AM
                      16. Excellent! You're smarter than INCquisitor who insists he doesn't need the help of an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 7:03 AM
                      17. Of course, Jesus knew better than all of us. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 7:50 PM
                      18. 1. We agree on something..Wow! 2. No sir, you're making the fatal INC mistake adding ALONE - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 7:11 AM
                      19. You are saying you are better thanJesus, right? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2015, 6:03 PM
                      20. Well, you're right, I misspoke. And I apologize for that. My English teacher would have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 2015, 9:35 PM
     
  3. It was sure quiet on this forum, when I was away, visiting my relatives in the Czech View Thread - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:10 PM
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  5. Being worthy of Jesus. View Thread - INCquisitor on Jun 14, 2015, 4:22 PM
    1. Worthy of Jesus means - among other things - to mot misinterpret John 17:3. By doing so, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2015, 4:53 PM
      1. That is not an easy verse to interpret. It is one of the more difficult verses. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 10:01 AM
    2. While I disagree with Guenter about the importance of not misinterpreting John 17:3, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 9:52 AM
     
  6. The Biggest Scam of All: View Thread - INCquisitor on Jun 6, 2015, 11:39 AM
    1. Yes, I have read rumors on the other forum that similarly Eduardo Manaloq - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:55 PM
     
  7. The earth is the footstool of whom? View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:34 AM
    1. Do you mind telling us what the Bible says? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:21 AM
    2. Michael, the earth is the footstool of Yahweh, God the Father. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:49 AM
     
  8. In Matt. 4:6, who was Satan tempting? View Thread - Michael on May 24, 2015, 9:25 AM
    1. Satan was talking to Jesus, wasn't he? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:20 AM
      1. So your answer would be Jesus, right? - Michael on May 29, 2015, 11:01 PM
     
  9. All INC members have left this forum like rats the sinking ship. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 25, 2015, 1:38 PM
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  11. The antiChrist. View Thread - Michael on Nov 27, 2014, 3:14 AM
    1. John explains it in the next verse, 2:23. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:06 AM
      1. 1 John 2: 23 is not an explanation of verse 22 Tomas. Take hold of your ncomprehension Tom - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 12:20 PM
        1. It sure is. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:09 PM
          1. If you insist, then I'm not surprised that you understand scriptures differently. - Michael on Nov 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
            1. You surprise me. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:39 PM
              1. Don't be Tomas. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 5:39 AM
                1. It is not an issue of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:14 PM
                  1. To you it's not Tomas. But to John it is. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:57 AM
                    1. But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 4:35 AM
                      1. Re: But what about the Jews? Or Cornelius? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:37 AM
                      2. I don't agree with your definition of denying God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:28 AM
                      3. No problem Tomas. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 7:48 AM
                      4. OK. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:32 AM
                      5. Re: OK. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 9:36 AM
                      6. More about denying God, and about the term Father. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 8:02 AM
                      7. Re: Christ can still be called the Only Begotten Son. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:13 PM
                      8. I think Michael is right that Christ was begotten in the beginning, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:44 PM
                      9. I'm sorry to say Michael is wrong, so are you. Psalm 2:7 is a promise, not an act. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:34 AM
                      10. But it is in past tense. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:20 AM
                      11. "I will proclaim..." is past tense?? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:56 AM
                      12. Just the proclamation is future. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:21 PM
                      13. But I didn't say that Christ was begotten in the beginning. - Michael on Feb 21, 2015, 10:57 AM
                      14. Oh, Tom,as was again lying??? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:50 AM
                      15. I was going by my memory. I will see how Michael will answer me. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:25 PM
                      16. Michael, you told me he was begotten in eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:24 PM
                      17. Perhaps, but not mean that He was created from eternity past as you have it mean. - Michael on Feb 22, 2015, 2:09 AM
                      18. I agree with you Michael. One has to understand "eternally" to know that eternally - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 1:27 PM
                      19. So now you have 2 begettings of Christ, before you told me - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 2:49 AM
                      20. You're changing the subject. The subject is, was Christ created. No word of Christ's - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 9:10 PM
                      21. Yes, I changed the subject, you both now have 2 begettings. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:13 AM
                      22. Jesus was begotten prior to God's work of creation. Prior to creation there was nothing - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:22 AM
                      23. Prior to creation there was the Father and Melchizedek - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      24. Michael, I never said he was created from eternity past. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:01 AM
                      25. Re: Michael, I never said he was created from eternity past. - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 3:50 AM
                      26. God did not create the first day. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      27. Of course God did Tomas. - Michael on Apr 5, 2015, 3:55 AM
                      28. You're partly taking Gen. 1 too literally, and partly you disagree with the literal anyway - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 3:00 AM
                      29. Re: You're partly taking Gen. 1 too literally, and partly you disagree with the literal anyway - Michael on Apr 15, 2015, 7:10 PM
                      30. Why would God not be able to segment time before creation into hours etc.? - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 3:24 AM
                      31. For one, it's not the issue Tomas. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 6:48 PM
                      32. It is an issue, Michael. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      33. You want to make it an issue, but it's not. - Michael on Apr 26, 2015, 6:50 PM
                      34. You started the issue by talking about first day. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:23 AM
                      35. Michael, how can you intelligently discuss with a person like Tomas who doesn't know what - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:03 AM
                      36. Do you know what NOBODY means? There is nobody who has not sinned. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:12 AM
                      37. You need to read Romans 3:22. Did you? See, how wrong you are? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 25, 2015, 8:34 AM
                      38. Rom. 3:22 says 'all them that believe'. Does Christ believe? Of course he does. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 9:45 AM
                      39. I knew you'd say: Does Christ believe? Christ is the Savior, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 26, 2015, 9:43 AM
                      40. Christ most certainly believes in himself. - Tomas on May 2, 2015, 8:28 AM
                      41. Of course did Christ believe in himself, yet he is not a believer but the leader, the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 3, 2015, 7:40 PM
                      42. Of course he is the leader, and the founder of Christianity. - Tomas on May 9, 2015, 3:54 AM
     
  12. Going on vacation for about two weeks. If I need to respond to you, remind me in two weeks View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 6, 2015, 4:18 PM
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