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  1. There seems to be a coup d'etat in this sub-state View Thread - Saleem Sinai on Jul 22, 2015, 11:52 PM
    1. Who is threatening "Angel's" and his mother's lives? Who is holding the ministers - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 23, 2015, 8:33 AM
      1. Acc. to AP, the Philippine government is now investigating INC for the abductions of - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 5:43 AM
    2. Hardly. - Mickey on Aug 14, 2015, 10:35 AM
      1. Which is the INC's doctrine? - INCquisitor on Aug 15, 2015, 4:42 AM
        1. And exactly how is all that against the Bible? - MIckey on Aug 16, 2015, 9:53 AM
          1. You start with the wrong premise that the INC is the true church. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2015, 3:59 AM
      2. So why did Eduardo fly in a luxury jet, rather than go economy class on normal planes? - Tomas on Aug 15, 2015, 6:53 AM
        1. That's not a luxury jet by any means. - MIckey on Aug 16, 2015, 9:57 AM
          1. Jesus and his apostles did not buy donkeys nor camels for theit travel, did they? - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2015, 4:06 AM
          2. So Mickey, are they crowded in seats on that jet like in Economy class seats on normal - Tomas on Aug 22, 2015, 8:13 AM
     
  2. An independent INC in north america View Thread - jimblue on Jul 25, 2015, 11:54 PM
    1. Why just in North America? You can separate yourselves in any country. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:53 AM
     
  3. When to observe the Pentecost day, if we want to celebrate it. View Thread - Tomas on May 24, 2015, 8:43 PM
    1. Why do you concern yourself with Pentecost day? Are you a Jew? - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 4:22 AM
      1. Christians are not forbidden from celebrating the Pentecost day. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:43 AM
        1. The early Christians were not commanded to celebrate Pentecost. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 7:23 PM
          1. Are we commanded to drive cars or ride bicycles? - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:52 AM
            1. Obviously, you haven't heard about Nadab, Abihu and Ozza. - INCquisitor on Jun 9, 2015, 3:05 PM
              1. Who is Ozza? Misspelled name? It is not in my concordance. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 1:31 PM
                1. You are correct. Should be "Uzza" - not "ozza". Thanks. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2015, 4:33 PM
                  1. So you are referring to 1 Chron. 13:9-10. But that was expressly forbidden. - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:50 AM
                    1. Doing a religious thing that does not enhance your chance of salvation is.... - INCquisitor on Jul 26, 2015, 6:18 AM
                      1. Everyone is commanded to observe Passover, see - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 8:49 AM
     
  4. Jesus proclaimed Himself "Alpha and Omega." I will be their God and they shall be my View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 8, 2014, 5:03 AM
    1. So each can be called Alpha and Omega in some sense. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:50 PM
      1. A comment : Alpha and THE OMEGA. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:19 AM
        1. So Jesus is the Alpha in some sense, while the Father - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:42 AM
          1. Of course that is how you wanted it. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:41 PM
            1. No, for example, Jesus is the way to the Father, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:15 PM
              1. You seemed to have missed the point of the questions Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 3:47 PM
                1. Well, you can't interpret the words too literally, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:53 PM
                  1. Alpha and Omega, Beginning and End, First and Last. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 5:43 AM
                    1. I actually now suspect that alpha and omega is not about time. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:14 AM
                      1. Another speculation now Tomas? Not yet tired of speculating? - Michael on Dec 16, 2014, 7:02 AM
                      2. Well, I am quite sure now it can't be about time. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      3. No need to speculate Tomas. Go to scriptures. - Michael on Dec 31, 2014, 4:28 AM
                      4. Still, it can't be about time. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:57 PM
                      5. Not really the issue there Tomas. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:36 AM
                      6. Michael, I gave Tomas some help and allies in his quest to disprove that Jesus is God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:40 PM
                      7. Have you never been the last or the first in anything? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:42 PM
                      8. I have Tomas, but not "the first and the last", or "the beginning and the end". - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      9. So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:53 PM
                      10. Re: So were you the first or the last in anything? You say I was, but not - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 8:45 PM
                      11. You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 10:54 PM
                      12. Re: You say first and last in all things. But that is still not very clear. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 12:46 AM
                      13. More about first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:48 AM
                      14. Re: More about first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 3:54 AM
                      15. More discussion of first and last etc. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:50 AM
                      16. Re: More discussion of first and last etc. - Michael on Jan 30, 2015, 7:30 AM
                      17. More about being the first and the last. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:57 AM
                      18. Re: More about being the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 6:50 AM
                      19. More on the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:35 PM
                      20. Re: More on the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 14, 2015, 10:58 PM
                      21. And more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 4:05 AM
                      22. Re: And more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 21, 2015, 12:24 PM
                      23. Still more about the first and the last. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 5:05 PM
                      24. Re: Still more about the first and the last. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 5:56 AM
                      25. The first and the last, and the reasons for differences in belief. - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 12:29 AM
                      26. Sorry, wrong book, the verse about Sunday is 1 Cor. 16:2, - Tomas on Mar 28, 2015, 1:04 AM
                      27. Re: The first and the last, and the reasons for differences in belief. - Michael on Apr 2, 2015, 7:55 AM
                      28. About the nature of Christ, and about God not giving us additional revelation. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 5:22 AM
                      29. Re: About the nature of Christ, and about God not giving us additional revelation. - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 6:07 AM
                      30. More about these issues. - Tomas on Apr 18, 2015, 5:09 AM
                      31. Re: More about these issues. - Michael on Apr 19, 2015, 2:36 AM
                      32. OK, call them false Christians, no big deal. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2015, 8:25 AM
                      33. Re: OK, call them false Christians, no big deal. - Michael on May 11, 2015, 7:03 PM
                      34. It is the Bible that gives us the understanding of what it means that Jesus is the Christ - Tomas on May 16, 2015, 5:11 AM
                      35. It is the Bible that declares that Jesus is Christ the Lord, the Son of God, - Michael on May 22, 2015, 12:08 PM
                      36. Yes, but it is not the Spirit that gives us understanding on what it means, but the Bible - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 1:02 PM
                      37. Tomas, if you say you have the HS, what does it do in you? - Michael on May 24, 2015, 5:28 AM
                      38. The HS indwells me and strengthens me. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:39 AM
                      39. Re: The HS indwells me and strengthens me. - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 8:33 PM
                      40. The word 'spiritual' often means 'religious', since religion affects our spirits. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:04 AM
                      41. You really haven't quite answered the questions Tomas. - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      42. Tomas, how does the HS strengthens you? - Michael on Jun 3, 2015, 8:41 PM
                      43. The HS provides supernatural influence to strengthen us against committing - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 3:53 AM
                      44. Supernatural influence? - Michael on Jun 6, 2015, 12:19 PM
                      45. The HS is not part of nature. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 4:47 PM
                      46. Re: The HS is not part of nature. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 1:13 AM
                      47. What we can know about the HS, and what is still veiled from us about him. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 12:27 PM
                      48. Re: What we can know about the HS, and what is still veiled from us about him. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 1:12 AM
                      49. Was I not clear? - Tomas on Jul 25, 2015, 9:11 AM
                      50. Re: Was I not clear? - Michael on Aug 6, 2015, 9:08 PM
                      51. OK, my answers. - Tomas on Aug 8, 2015, 6:49 AM
          2. Tomas, is Jesus just one among the many Christ then? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 1:42 PM
            1. No, in that case the Christ means the one unique Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:18 PM
              1. So, "the Christ" denotes "no other Christ", right? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 4:26 PM
                1. In this case, yes, the only true Christ. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 7:05 PM
                  1. That's right, even when scriptures does not speak of Christ as the "only" true Christ. - Michael on Nov 12, 2014, 7:00 PM
                    1. For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:02 PM
                      1. Re: For Christ yes, he is the Christ, the only one. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      2. See our discussion above. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 9:59 PM
                      3. Here is some help for you, Tomas. Jesus is not even the Alpha and the Omega. So you are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:18 PM
                      4. Interesting article from a weird church. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 2:32 PM
                      5. You didn't notice my sarcasm. Too bad. That weird church is as weird us you. Just in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 3:35 PM
                      6. Not much in common with them. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      7. Don't even try to deny. Their "Word was a god" is also your weird religion. Nazism wasn't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:19 PM
                      8. No, they say the Word is some important words of God. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:37 PM
                      9. You're wrong, as usual. Their Bible says "And the Word was a god." - same as you. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 5:32 PM
                      10. You mean that small church translated the whole Bible? - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:56 PM
                      11. It seems like you don't believe me. I also have never heard before they said "divine" - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:26 PM
                      12. You are giving me the web site of Jehovah's Witnesses. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 7:33 PM
                      13. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      14. Well, you're in bed with an organization that gives a sh** about the truth in the Bible, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:10 PM
                      15. It is true the JWs made a fatal error in stuffing the name Jehovah into - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:02 AM
                      16. LOL..a good translation by trashing Jesus? You're in good company! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:56 PM
                      17. Where did they trash Jesus? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:17 PM
                      18. JW is trashing Jesus. You're defending them. So you are trashing Jesus too. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:42 AM
                      19. OK, JWs are in a way trashing Jesus by claiming he was resurrected not - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:12 AM
                      20. You just make me laugh with your excuses. I'm getting tired of you. End of discussion. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      21. Excuses? I did not excuse them. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:17 PM
      2. Here comes the "Jesus was created" fantasy again! A child called mighty God was prophesied - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:23 AM
        1. That long name in Isaiah was not titles for Jesus. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:57 AM
          1. Only an antitrinitarian like you can assume that there is a second father in the Godhead. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 14, 2015, 9:11 PM
            1. I have read a number of Trinitarians claiming all the titles - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:06 PM
              1. As I told you before, you're listening to people and not the word of God, the Bible. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 4:26 PM
                1. I listen to the Bible of course. But some verses are difficult, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:12 PM
                  1. Sounds so innocent, but I haven't seen you change your mind here in 6 or 7 years but once. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:15 PM
                    1. Michael convinced me of several things. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:13 PM
                      1. OK...I can't feel buts ad about your attitude. You totally omitted the important errors of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:57 PM
                      2. I might be still wrong about some minor things. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:08 AM
                      3. Saved by faith is going beyond the Bible? Only in your fantasy. You believe what Muslims - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      4. We are saved by faith, but not by faith in the additional teachings - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:22 PM
                      5. If Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus has the nature of His Father, the nature of God. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:03 PM
                      6. God is omnipotent, so if he wants, he is able to sire a Son - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:19 PM
                      7. and you are not sure if Jesus is a god or God! - 9Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 7:17 AM
                      8. Jesus is a god, and he might be God. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:39 PM
          2. You might consider the name in Matthew 28:19 as a long name - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 7:50 AM
            1. I don't take the word 'name' in that verse literally, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 4:23 PM
              1. So, Tomas, what is this name to you? - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Not literally a name. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 8:39 PM
                  1. So, for you "name" in Matthew 28:19 refers to authority. - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 10:37 PM
    2. One God and One Lord. Jesus Christ is Lord. The Lord is our God. - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 21, 2014, 10:43 AM
      1. Zech. 13:9 is what God spoke to our fathers by the prophets (Heb. 1:1). - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:53 PM
    3. The one who sat on the throne (Rev. 21:5) - not Jesus spoke Rev. 21:6. - INCquisitor on Oct 21, 2014, 5:24 PM
    4. A Trinitarian who cannot rightly divide the word of truth. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:39 AM
      1. Howdy again. I'm glad you realized that both the Lord God and Jesus said the same about - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 2:27 PM
        1. That only shows how closed your mind is! - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:49 PM
          1. Comon, I'm being nice to you and you're getting ugly. Is that the love Jesus was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:54 PM
            1. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites and Jews liars. - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 4:44 AM
              1. Why are you afraid to consult an English language scholar? Afraid of the truth? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:12 AM
                1. The English language scholar you consult has messed up your brain! - INCquisitor on Jan 20, 2015, 7:35 PM
                  1. You're just repeating your fallacies. That doesn't make them the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:08 PM
                    1. Who is an "idiot?" - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 3:55 AM
                      1. LOL, you can't help yourself and dig your hole even deeper. The ratio of Trinitarians to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 11:10 AM
                      2. To a perfectly normal person, Trinity = 3 Gods. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      3. You will remain a perfect idiot for the rest of your life. You still argue like an INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 10:03 PM
                      4. Trinity is not Tritheism. Consult your dictionaries INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:35 AM
                      5. No matter how you or the dictionary define Trinity, the TRUTH is... - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 3:53 AM
                      6. So now you trash the dictionary as well. I wonder why you use it though. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 7:41 AM
                      7. The dictionary defines "trinity" according to Christian dogma. - INCquisitor on Jan 23, 2015, 5:40 PM
                      8. It defines it not as to mean of three Gods INCquisitor. Now compare that with Tritheism. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 5:54 PM
                      9. Michael, you cannot reasonably argue with an idiot like INCqusitor. I admire your patience - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 9:21 AM
                      10. You feel so superior, so when INCquisitor disagrees with you, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 5:45 PM
                      11. I don't call INCquisitor an idiot because of his beliefs. I am calling him an idiot - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 24, 2015, 6:33 PM
                      12. Well, my Father never learned English grammar well, - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 9:30 PM
                      13. You're comparing apple with oranges. Good grammar is not depending on knowing a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 1:31 PM
                      14. So, Guenter, you too are a refugee from Communism? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 6:32 AM
                      15. Your belief that Trinity is NOT 3 Gods is idiotic! - INCquisitor on Jan 25, 2015, 6:11 AM
                      16. You will die in your sins. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 2:02 PM
                      17. how about your belief? - Karlos on Jan 29, 2015, 6:17 AM
                      18. You don't believe God is a Triad? - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:36 PM
                      19. Tomas think that a triad is the same as Trinity. - Karlos on Mar 12, 2015, 6:55 AM
                      20. Go study some Greek. In Greek, that is how they call Trinity. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 11:42 PM
                      21. Somehow this ends when the truth sends him away, as apparently many times in this forum - Michael on Jan 24, 2015, 7:59 PM
                      22. If INCquisitor refuses to take some grammar lessons, nothing will help him to not die in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 4:00 PM
     
  5. Who has relationship with Gd and Christ? View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 28, 2015, 6:24 AM
    1. The Christian, who else. - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 4:09 AM
      1. Who is "the Christian?" - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 4:37 AM
        1. The Christian is known by his relationship with Christ and God. - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 5:36 AM
          1. It's easy for anyone to say that he has a relation ship with Christ and God. - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 6:22 AM
            1. INCquisitor, do you know what kind of relationship the Christian have with God? - Michael on Apr 3, 2015, 6:48 AM
              1. One who does not have God certainly does not have Christ either. - INCquisitor on Apr 3, 2015, 4:07 PM
                1. A saved Christian is one who has faith in the gospel and has repented. - Tomas on Apr 4, 2015, 3:29 AM
                  1. If you don't believe what Jesus says, you are already condemned (John 3:18). - INCquisitor on Apr 4, 2015, 5:28 PM
                    1. I believe what Jesus says. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2015, 12:48 AM
                2. So, what kind of relationship do INCquisitor have with God? - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 9:08 AM
                  1. God is my Father and Christ is my brother. - INCquisitor on Apr 4, 2015, 5:29 PM
                    1. Is that all of it for INCquisitor's relationship with God and Christ? - Michael on Apr 4, 2015, 7:46 PM
                      1. It is enough for me to know that true disciples of Christ are.... - INCquisitor on Apr 6, 2015, 4:54 PM
                      2. So you only choose what relationship is enough for you. - Michael on Apr 6, 2015, 8:59 PM
    2. INCquisitor: How is God your Father? How is Christ your brother? - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 7:57 PM
      1. Re: INCquisitor: How is God your Father? How is Christ your brother? - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 8:27 PM
        1. How is it that God is your Father and Christ is your brother? - Michael on Jul 20, 2015, 9:17 PM
          1. You mean, "Why is God my Father and why is Christ my brother," right? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 2015, 8:22 PM
            1. God is Lord and Savior to the Christian, as is Jesus Christ to them. - Michael on Jul 22, 2015, 8:52 PM
              1. Christ is the only name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12. - INCquisitor on Jul 24, 2015, 8:48 PM
                1. Re: Christ is the only name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved (Acts 4:12. - Michael on Aug 4, 2015, 5:25 PM
     
  6. What's up with this? Ka Tenny and Angel natiwalag? View Thread - Saleem Sinai on Jul 22, 2015, 11:14 PM
    1. "Help, we are being held hostage" - Saleem Sinai on Jul 22, 2015, 11:20 PM
     
  7. INC members left this forum, INC, the church founded by the devil, is in decline. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 9:58 AM
    1. Colonel Guenter, that Eduardo Manalo dude is God's representative - Oberst Ozzy Osborn - not Colonel TheOtherOzzy on Jul 22, 2015, 7:47 AM
     
  8. Before the Bible existed, the first century Christians documented that Jesus is God. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 19, 2015, 3:36 AM
    1. Make this: " Before the NT existed..." - My stepson received no reply from you on his on May 19, 2015, 12:12 PM
    2. Guenter, how did they know the inscriptions are from first century? - Tomas on May 23, 2015, 3:42 PM
      1. It was in Greek. It just said Jesus Christ God Son Savior. And it was a code Christians - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2015, 9:01 AM
      2. Ephesus is being excavated by Austrian archaeologists. They are more experts than I am. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 24, 2015, 9:09 AM
        1. OK, I would like to know how did they figure it is already from first century. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 3:59 AM
      3. Well, Tomas, you don't believe the first century Christians either, don't you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on May 26, 2015, 6:51 AM
        1. I believe first century apostles, and all Bible writers, - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:11 AM
          1. No, you don't believe all Bible writers. You believe wrong translators, based on the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 2, 2015, 12:16 PM
            1. I believe it as it is in original Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:29 AM
              1. Who said there is a different word order in John 1:1? But, didn't you ever wonder why the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 7:52 AM
                1. These articles don't really have anything to say about focus fronted - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 1:52 PM
                  1. ...and the Word was a God...? Scholars unanimously answer: "NO"! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:11 PM
                    1. Oooopss...sorry..of course.."a god"....but wrong in any case. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:14 PM
                      1. Even if Westcott is right, that theos without the article described his nature, - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:35 PM
                      2. What reputable scholars say about the New World Translation of John 1:1: - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:43 PM
                      3. I think these scholars are reacting negatively to the JW incorrect insistence - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 6:05 PM
                      4. Grammar has nothing to do with Christian or any other faith. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 7, 2015, 7:13 AM
                      5. Who translated the NWT that says "and the Word was a god"? Amateurs like you! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 6, 2015, 5:46 PM
                      6. It has happened more than once, in fact plenty of times, that all scholars - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 6:13 PM
                      7. Fine, no human being seems to be able to clear your twisted mind. You'll remain a fool for - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 7, 2015, 6:59 AM
                      8. If I am wrong, and I am not convinced before I die, then I will be gladly corrected after - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 8:15 AM
    3. Apostle Paul warned against Trinitarians in his epistles. - INCquisitor on May 29, 2015, 3:59 AM
      1. Trinitarian theory about Jesus is not belief in another Jesus. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 4:03 AM
        1. Trinitarian belief about Jesus is belief in another Jesus that the apostles - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 9:06 AM
          1. But trinitarians also usually say that Jesus is a man. - Tomas on May 30, 2015, 9:24 AM
            1. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is also God CONTRARY to what Jesus says in John 17:3. - INCquisitor on May 30, 2015, 7:12 PM
              1. As long as you misapply John 17:3 you will remain in your foolish error. I told you a long - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 2, 2015, 12:22 PM
                1. Let's say you tell your mother.... - INCquisitor on Jun 2, 2015, 4:19 PM
                  1. Wrong analogy. Jesus did not say "MY" only true God. Jesus said "THE" only true - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 3, 2015, 6:38 AM
                  2. Let's say you tell your mother ..... - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 5:56 AM
              2. INCquisitor, that is not quite what Jesus said in John 17:3. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2015, 5:43 AM
                1. Man is a human being. A baby boy isalso man or a human being. - INCquisitor on Jun 7, 2015, 5:29 PM
                  1. LOL, INCquisitor, you're full of fallacies. Did Jesus say "that they may know you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 8, 2015, 6:03 AM
                  2. INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - Michael on Jun 8, 2015, 1:41 PM
                    1. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - INCquisitor on Jun 8, 2015, 7:30 PM
                      1. You're only halfway there. While you're correct that "It stands to reason that the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 9, 2015, 7:14 AM
                      2. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - Michael on Jun 11, 2015, 6:16 AM
                      3. Re: INCquisitor, a comment on one of your reasoning in this post. - INCquisitor on Jun 13, 2015, 7:07 PM
                      4. INCquisitor - Michael on Jun 24, 2015, 11:14 PM
                      5. Michael, I don't know who taught you grammar, but how the hell can "only" be a "relat - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 13, 2015, 9:40 PM
                      6. John 17:3 excludes anyone who is NOT the Father as the only true God. - INCquisitor on Jun 14, 2015, 4:00 PM
                      7. LOL, INCquisitor. Keep on misunderstanding John 17:3 and you will die in your sins. You're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2015, 4:51 PM
                      8. INCquisitor, Jesus said nothing to the Father in John 17:3. - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:53 PM
                      9. Pardon me Guenter, it's not grammar really, but comprehension. - Michael on Jun 15, 2015, 9:50 PM
                      10. How can you comprehend if you don't know correct grammar? That's INCquisitor's huge - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 17, 2015, 9:23 AM
                      11. Knowing correct grammar is one, but that is not all there is in understanding a statement. - Michael on Jun 25, 2015, 10:55 AM
                      12. The first statement doesn't exclude others to also be a true God. The second - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 26, 2015, 8:33 AM
                      13. Both statements excludes other gods to also be a true God. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 2:37 AM
                      14. If the statement "the true God" would exclude others to also be true God, the word "o - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2015, 10:23 AM
                      15. Ok, I will. - Michael on Jul 19, 2015, 10:35 AM
                      16. Excellent! You're smarter than INCquisitor who insists he doesn't need the help of an - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 7:03 AM
                      17. Of course, Jesus knew better than all of us. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2015, 7:50 PM
                      18. 1. We agree on something..Wow! 2. No sir, you're making the fatal INC mistake adding ALONE - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2015, 7:11 AM
                      19. You are saying you are better thanJesus, right? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2015, 6:03 PM
                      20. Well, you're right, I misspoke. And I apologize for that. My English teacher would have - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 2015, 9:35 PM
     
  9. It was sure quiet on this forum, when I was away, visiting my relatives in the Czech View Thread - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 6:10 PM
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  11. Being worthy of Jesus. View Thread - INCquisitor on Jun 14, 2015, 4:22 PM
    1. Worthy of Jesus means - among other things - to mot misinterpret John 17:3. By doing so, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jun 14, 2015, 4:53 PM
      1. That is not an easy verse to interpret. It is one of the more difficult verses. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 10:01 AM
    2. While I disagree with Guenter about the importance of not misinterpreting John 17:3, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2015, 9:52 AM
     
 
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