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  1. Free Course Teaches why Jesus Christ is the Only Way to Salvation. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 8:24 PM
    1. Yes, so how can your Catechism of the Catholic Church - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:23 AM
     
  2. Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? View Thread - tf on Mar 13, 2014, 12:26 AM
    1. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Konrad on Mar 13, 2014, 2:50 PM
    2. Re: Do the Jews today expect the Messiah to be God in the flesh, when he comes? - Michael on Mar 14, 2014, 5:26 AM
      1. But unlike Judaism, INC does believe that Christ's father is God. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 PM
        1. Yet they still believe like the Jews that Christ is a mere man. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 12:30 AM
          1. Not a mere man in the sense of being unimportant. - Tomas on Mar 15, 2014, 9:03 AM
            1. But I'm not talking in that sense. They believe as the Jews do that Jesus is man, not God. - Michael on Mar 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
              1. That is true, INC believes he is a man and not God, and - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 9:53 PM
                1. Well, if that is the case, I respect your conviction. - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 3:17 AM
                  1. Yes, Jesus saved Mary by dying for her sins, she was not sinless, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2014, 2:05 PM
                    1. I agree, Christ is Mary's Savior. And Mary certainly knows who her Savior is, God. - Michael on Apr 1, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      1. God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Tomas on Apr 4, 2014, 10:44 PM
                      2. Re: God is her Savior, and if God is both the Father and the Son, - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 12:19 AM
                      3. There are two Saviors, and if both are God, then God is the Savior - Tomas on Apr 5, 2014, 1:56 AM
                      4. Yes, you can speculate many things, and don't find any problem with that. - Michael on Apr 5, 2014, 4:25 AM
                      5. But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Tomas on Apr 11, 2014, 11:33 PM
                      6. Re: But Jesus could not do anything except as guided by the Father. - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 11:28 PM
                      7. I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 3:48 AM
                      8. Re: I don't dispute that Christ literally redeemed those who - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 6:01 AM
                      9. Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 7:36 AM
                      10. Re: Sure Christ is the Savior of the world, but not only he. - Michael on Apr 19, 2014, 9:14 PM
                      11. The Father is the ultimate and supreme Savior. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 7:43 PM
                      12. God is the Only Savior. There is no such thing as ultimate savior. - Michael on May 1, 2014, 2:28 AM
                      13. If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 10:12 PM
                      14. Re: If God happens to be more than one person, you are minimizing the distinction - Michael on May 25, 2014, 5:09 AM
                      15. When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 9:59 PM
                      16. Re: When you say no man is perfect, without sin, what about Christ? - Michael on Jun 22, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      17. Anyway, the man Jesus was perfect, without sin. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 2:04 AM
          2. I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 2014, 6:14 AM
            1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 3:32 PM
              1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:26 PM
                1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 4:42 PM
                  1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:09 AM
                    1. Re: I believe that Christ came in the flesh BUT I don't - Michael on Apr 29, 2014, 10:49 PM
    3. The Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because He didn't look like: - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:25 AM
      1. its not a question of rejection... - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:08 PM
      2. These versions of John 1:18 that say Jesus is "only begotten God" - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2014, 3:47 PM
    4. The Jews and tf and the Iglesias will die in their sins. Here is why. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 14, 2014, 6:49 AM
      1. moses never told them to expect sn incarnate god.. - tf on Mar 16, 2014, 11:05 PM
      2. You don't believe what Jesus CLAIMED to be. - INCquisitor on Apr 20, 2014, 9:15 AM
        1. The humanity of Jesus is not in dispute. Everybody knows Jesus is a man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 2:57 AM
      3. tf, your reference about Moses is irrelevant. Moses didn't predict a U.S. president would - Dean O'Gowan on May 26, 2014, 5:59 PM
        1. everybody knows that moses neve prophesied about the prophet llike him to be the God - tf on May 27, 2014, 3:24 AM
        2. Irrelevant. Moses didn't prophesy about Obama either. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 22, 2014, 9:53 PM
     
  3. What does "Monsignor" mean? View Thread - Wayne on Jun 20, 2014, 1:51 PM
    1. We should use Your Lordship to address bishops? - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 5:55 AM
    2. The true Church has - Wayne on Jun 23, 2014, 12:31 PM
    3. Sorry Wayne, The Catholic Church does not become a false church because you disagree. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 23, 2014, 6:54 PM
      1. You are both wrong a little, neither of your churches is the true church, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:31 AM
     
  4. Do you have real faith in Jesus? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 5:58 AM
    1. Christ said, - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 24, 2014, 6:15 AM
      1. You have a faulty understanding of what the church is. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:21 AM
     
  5. wow michael boast tha he understand the trinity of all trinitarians View Thread - tf on May 27, 2014, 10:37 PM
    1. What is this TF? What I see is frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on May 29, 2014, 8:29 PM
      1. nothing petsonal just exposing your boastfulness - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:27 AM
        1. Nothing personal too. Just exposing your frustration, lies and false accusations. - Michael on Jun 3, 2014, 6:13 PM
          1. see u r boasting again, how manu ordinary trinitarians understand as you do? - tf on Jun 3, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. aren't you the same tf who said he and the INCs kneel down to worship God - Kumag Ka on May 30, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. that is a commandment by god - tf on Jun 2, 2014, 10:29 AM
        1. Is it a commandment of God to worship a man, exalted or not? - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:29 AM
    3. tf, there is no commandment to worship man even exalted. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 7, 2014, 4:17 AM
      1. The New Testament never says to worship only God. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:33 AM
        1. Tom, only God is worthy of worship, none else- ask the angels, the apostles - Kumag Ka on Jun 25, 2014, 3:48 AM
          1. Sure, NRSV translates Rev. 3:9 "and bow down before your feet", but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:05 AM
      2. Tomas, the NT is very clear. Lk 4:8, Mt 4:10 Nothing about worshipping man. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 15, 2014, 6:56 PM
        1. True, these two verses, in addition to commanding to worship - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:28 AM
          1. Stop lying, Tom. There is no command to worship any other except God, the Father. - Kumag Ka on Jun 27, 2014, 6:31 AM
            1. We are not required to worship the Angel of Philadelphia, but - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 12:43 AM
          2. Kumag, please don't add to the bible. Jesus commanded to worship only God. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 27, 2014, 5:02 PM
      3. Tom, we are talking about worshipping only God. Serving is another issue. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 25, 2014, 10:09 AM
        1. Jesus does not command worship only to God, but initially, - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 1:10 AM
     
  6. CORRECT EXEGESIS OF MATTHEW 16:15. “SHUA" INSTEAD OF "KEPHA" FOR “PETRA’ View Thread - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:42 AM
    1. Oooopppsss. It's Matthew 16:18 - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:45 AM
    2. I am sure the RCC can never refute this. All they can do is to make diversion & complain! - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 3:51 AM
      1. I hope this protestants soucers help you understand, cheers - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:26 PM
        1. NO refutation - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:14 PM
        2. pihin does not have counter rebuttal to csdr's position. Only dictionary quotations! SAD! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:17 PM
    3. Jesus' Hebrew name is "Yahushua" (Yahweh is salvation). Yahweh = ROCK of my SALVATION! - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:07 AM
      1. PETER THE "ROCK" OR "STONE" - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:29 PM
        1. No argument at all on the use of "shua" for Petra. Denial is not argument. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:18 PM
        2. RCC lacks research. "Shua" is the Aramaic word for "Rock" as BOULDER & immov - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:19 PM
      2. It's Yehoshu'a, not Yahushua. - Tom on Jul 24, 2006, 9:12 PM
    4. Examples of the use of the Aramaic "SHUA" for ROCK in teh Aramaic Bible translation. - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:29 AM
      1. same old dead argument thrown up over And over - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:31 PM
        1. When did RCC refute the use of Aramaic "shua" for rock? Give the site please. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:26 PM
    5. Why did Matthew not use "KEPHA" for "Petros" and "Petra" in Matt. 16:1 - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 10:54 AM
      1. Peter as the Rock: - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 8:32 PM
        1. THE BIG GUNS (CHURCH FATHERS) ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY SAY CHRIST IS PETRA!!! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 4:09 PM
          1. the big guns are Catholic and not sola scripturaens. LOL - pihin on Jul 25, 2006, 6:54 PM
            1. SS is out of topic. - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 12:39 AM
              1. The Early Fathers are Catholics and believe that - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 7:40 PM
                1. Here the church fathers again writing that Christ is PETRA THE ROCK FUNDATION - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 2:50 AM
                  1. Zero points. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:18 PM
                    1. Until now no rebuttal from pihin except summary statement. SAD! - csdr on Aug 5, 2006, 5:38 AM
    6. Is it possible that "Petros" and "Petra" are words incorporated into the Hebrew - csdr on Jul 21, 2006, 11:07 AM
    7. "A Christian man is Catholic while he lives in the body; cut off, he is made a heretic - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 7:51 PM
      1. Petros = Kepha & Petra = Shua. Kepha is not Shua. Petros is not Petra. Why can't .... - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:54 PM
    8. From your favorite church Father saint Agustine - pihin on Jul 22, 2006, 7:58 PM
      1. AUGUSTINE SAYS CHRIST IS PETRA. LOL! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 4:10 PM
      2. Augustine says Petra is Peter's confession. Who did Peter confess? Christ! So he is Petra! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:25 PM
    9. Can any scholarly RCC OTHER THAN PIHIN post a scholarly refutation. If there's any. - csdr on Jul 22, 2006, 9:33 PM
    10. How about Winsurfer? VITW? Gordon? INComplete? Please help pihin. - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:28 PM
    11. CSDR, you know I love ya man but still, does this have to be in an INC forum - Jason on Jul 23, 2006, 8:32 PM
      1. OK I got your point since the RCC could no longer respond anyway! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:44 PM
      2. On 2nd thought, if the INC accept Christ is "Petra" they must accept Christ is true God! - csdr on Jul 23, 2006, 8:52 PM
    12. CASE CLOSED !!! RCC HAVE GIVEN UP!!! - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 8:13 AM
      1. Desperate man trying to move the Rock which Christ founded His church. - pihin on Jul 24, 2006, 8:24 AM
        1. Still no COUNTER -REBUTTAL! Only personal insults from a proud man! - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 8:28 AM
          1. Not proud but truth. - pihin on Jul 24, 2006, 1:56 PM
            1. So where is your point by point rebuttal, pihin? Where is it? - csdr on Jul 24, 2006, 10:23 PM
              1. When will you prove that the Church Fathers are sola scriptura believers? - pihin on Jul 25, 2006, 6:11 PM
                1. SS is out of topic. - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 12:38 AM
                  1. Early Church Father are not SS - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 7:44 PM
                    1. THE BIG GUNS (CHURCH FATHERS) ARE NOT ON YOUR SIDE. THEY SAY CHRIST IS PETRA!!! - csdr on Jul 26, 2006, 8:01 PM
                      1. Really, and when will you prove that they are sola scripturaens. Sad , because they - pihin on Jul 26, 2006, 8:28 PM
                      2. AUGUSTINE : "But let the reader decide which of these two opinions is the more probable" - Claro on Jul 27, 2006, 6:45 PM
                      3. Desperate man now trying to prove the church Fathers wrong - pihin on Jul 27, 2006, 10:39 PM
                      4. Are you saying now that the church fathers are infallible? LOL! Read Augustine! - csdr on Jul 28, 2006, 12:53 AM
                      5. Are you doing this for Christ's truth or in desparation for points of this world? - pihin on Jul 29, 2006, 8:43 AM
                      6. pihin misunderstood Augustine again. Peter merely represented the confessing church - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:37 PM
                      7. DON"T YOU GET IT, AGUSTINE IS A CATHOLIC NOT SS BELIEVER - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:31 PM
                      8. Peter represents the whole church because he represents the strong & the weak! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:54 PM
                      9. Peter is the Vicar of Christ on Earth. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:35 PM
                      10. Gems From Saint Augustine ; csdr if I were you I wouldn't quote Agustine ever again. - pihin on Jul 29, 2006, 8:50 AM
                      11. "CATHOLIC CHURCH" AND NOT "ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH" - Augustine. - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:24 PM
                      12. csdr failed 0/10 - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:14 PM
                      13. According to Augustine, Paul and the other apostles also received the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 5:59 PM
                      14. Nope you failed to show where Jesus gave the keys to Paul, - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:21 PM
                      15. Here's another one from Augustine on who receive the KEYS OF THE KINGDOM! - csdr on Jul 29, 2006, 6:05 PM
                      16. Wrong, Agustine is Catholic and believe in the primacy of Peter. - pihin on Jul 30, 2006, 12:26 PM
                      17. if you can prove this then i'll believe you... - mars on Aug 6, 2006, 8:54 PM
                      18. 2Maccabees 12:38-46: says to pray for the dead. - pihin on Aug 6, 2006, 10:57 PM
    13. BUMP for the FALSE ACCUSER INCcomplete!! - csdr on Aug 5, 2006, 5:25 AM
      1. Bump for false accuser csdr who quotes Church who are not SS - pihin on Aug 6, 2006, 11:01 PM
        1. pihin is lying again. I never quote Ephraim the Syrian. Desperation? - csdr on Aug 7, 2006, 8:04 AM
          1. Are church fathers SS - pihin on Aug 7, 2006, 4:17 PM
            1. The Early Church Fathers on “Sola Scriptura” - mjw75 on Jun 27, 2014, 4:27 PM
              1. Some early church 'fathers' did go into the error of considering - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 12:33 AM
    14. I am confused mjw75, are you for sola scriptura or sola scriptura and writings of early - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 27, 2014, 4:55 PM
      1. How in the world is there such a blockage of cognition in something so obvious? - mjw75 on Jun 27, 2014, 6:24 PM
     
  7. Why the Protestants reject the 7 books of the bible -- The Short Answer. View Thread - D on Jun 18, 2014, 11:05 AM
    1. Concerning that website, Luther was right about doubts about Baruch. - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 7:06 AM
     
  8. who will watch the film Ang Sugo? View Thread - truthfinder on Feb 24, 2014, 8:30 PM
    1. The world is not going to notice this film. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 25, 2014, 5:54 PM
    2. TF, the Passion of the Christ sold 15 million official DVDs. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 27, 2014, 6:13 AM
    3. TF, I bet this movie will be seen by no less 10 times more than the Sugo. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 2, 2014, 5:22 PM
      1. being saint is not man made.. - tf on Mar 2, 2014, 9:13 PM
        1. That is true. And such saved people are found in many denominations - Tomas on Mar 7, 2014, 9:16 PM
          1. i respect your personal opinion tomas - tf on Mar 17, 2014, 4:00 AM
            1. Does the biblical Stephen belong to the first century church you are saying? - Michael on Mar 20, 2014, 6:58 PM
              1. INC Minister EMMAN said, Stephen is an INC. Do you agree with your brother INCer? - Michael on Mar 21, 2014, 9:11 AM
            2. Tf, there was already a diversity of doctrines in the first century - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 7:01 PM
              1. Right, there was already a diversity of doctrines in the first century - Michael on Mar 28, 2014, 8:32 PM
                1. Yes, I did not list Ebionites among the good churches, - Tomas on Mar 28, 2014, 10:31 PM
                  1. Adoptionist and Arians came much later, not in the first century time. - Michael on Mar 29, 2014, 12:48 AM
                    1. Well, in the first century, with at least one apostle still alive, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2014, 3:22 PM
                      1. Re: Well, in the first century, with at least one apostle still alive, - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 12:51 AM
                      2. Just because the Father can truly and fully reveal the Son, - Tomas on Apr 5, 2014, 1:18 AM
                      3. The point is there are in scriptures testimony of the Father with regards the Son's deity. - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 7:46 AM
                      4. No, there are not, in any scriptures. - Tomas on Apr 12, 2014, 1:10 AM
                      5. Can't you not see them in scriptures Tomas? - Michael on Apr 15, 2014, 3:32 PM
                      6. No, I can't, and I say nobody really can, unless they jump to conclusions - Tomas on Apr 19, 2014, 6:04 AM
                      7. Re: No, I can't, and I say nobody really can, unless they jump to conclusions - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 1:42 AM
                      8. About Christ being God or else just a god. - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 7:26 PM
                      9. Re: About Christ being God or else just a god. - Michael on May 14, 2014, 10:56 AM
                      10. Can we know whether Christ is God? - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 8:54 PM
                      11. Yes. It is revealed in scriptures. - Michael on May 18, 2014, 5:59 AM
                      12. No, it is left as unknown in the scriptures. - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 3:56 AM
                      13. Re: No, it is left as unknown in the scriptures. - Michael on May 26, 2014, 1:47 PM
                      14. Indeed, the scriptures don't tell us if he is God. - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 11:02 PM
    4. ill treat u with a popcorn ok - tf on Mar 2, 2014, 9:15 PM
    5. Will INC members get to see this "sugo" film for free? - INCquisitor on Mar 3, 2014, 6:04 PM
      1. ill get a free ticket specially for people like you - tf on Mar 3, 2014, 9:41 PM
        1. Part of your invitation strategy, isn't it? - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2014, 3:41 PM
          1. no no no it's special offer for you - tf on Mar 8, 2014, 7:58 PM
            1. just another INC joseph goebbels propaganda tactic... - James on Mar 13, 2014, 1:46 PM
              1. any more news on the $60 million dollar oil fields in Texas INCers? - James on Mar 13, 2014, 1:48 PM
    6. Of course, the INC members are MANDATED - Konrad on Mar 13, 2014, 2:47 PM
      1. Does anyone on this board remember Mystery Science Theater 3000? - jhenry69 on Mar 13, 2014, 6:33 PM
    7. Do you know if the one portraying FYM in the film is an INCer? - Michael on Mar 20, 2014, 7:01 PM
      1. No answers. I'll just have to wait and see then. - Michael on Mar 30, 2014, 1:17 AM
      2. Re: Do you know if the one portraying FYM in the film is an INCer? - PROMDI FORReAST on Jun 17, 2014, 12:23 PM
        1. EDITED...SUGO MOVIE - PROMDI FORReAST on Jun 17, 2014, 12:46 PM
     
  9. Florida Couple Fined $746 For Crime Of Feeding Homeless People View Thread - Sung on May 21, 2014, 1:12 PM
    1. Wow, so in Daytona Beach I could not even give food in public to someone I am traveling - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 1:51 AM
    2. Video shows APD arresting people who were feeding the homeless - Sung on Jun 1, 2014, 11:26 AM
      1. So sad. Christ often spoke that we should help the poor. - Tomas on Jun 6, 2014, 9:36 PM
    3. Cities all over America are becoming extremely cruel to the homeless - Sung on Jun 12, 2014, 1:30 PM
      1. Yes, many Americans view the homeless as scum of the earth. - Tomas on Jun 14, 2014, 9:19 AM
     
  10. God created all alone. All things created by/through Jesus! View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on May 29, 2014, 6:54 PM
    1. It might be that God the Father created the world alone by - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 7:58 PM
     
 
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