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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Fundamental Beliefs View Thread - Groof on Jan 10, 2:52 PM
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  3. INCquisitor says that tomb is paradise. View Thread - Dean O Gowan on Dec 5, 8:25 PM
    1. Then tell us where the thief and Jesus were together - Incquisitor on Dec 7, 6:05 PM
    2. Paradise = Sheol, to preach to those there. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 7, 6:41 PM
      1. The verses you cited don't support you answer. - Incquisitor on Dec 9, 5:54 PM
      2. Dean, he could not have preached to the prisoners when he was dead, b - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:15 PM
      3. Who are "captives and spirits in prison?" - INCquisitor on Dec 26, 6:37 AM
    3. INCquisitor, your church is not founded by Jesus but by a man. Therefore - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 9, 8:56 PM
      1. My church was built by a MAN, the man Jesus Chrit (John 8:40). - Incquisitor on Dec 21, 5:19 AM
    4. INquisitor, let's see if you have some intelligence. - Dean O Gowan on Dec 26, 7:26 PM
      1. What makes you think that I am still an INC? - INCquisitor on Dec 27, 5:04 AM
    5. Very simple If it quacks like a duck, it must be a duck. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 27, 6:33 AM
      1. There are ducks of different species. - Tomas on Dec 27, 1:48 PM
     
  4. As everyone knows, this forum is owned by IMOR, who was an Iglesia member. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 9, 9:05 PM
    1. Glory to God, Time to celibrate Our Lord this Christmas. And Down with Idolatry - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Dec 9, 10:31 PM
      1. We should celebrate our Lord every day, and not observe Christmas. - Tomas on Dec 20, 8:01 PM
     
  5. INC delivers their own proof that they are a fake church. Here from "Introducing the View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 9, 7:55 AM
    1. So FYM sometimes disagreed with Paul and sometimes with Luther. - Tomas on Nov 15, 5:00 PM
      1. God gives us erroneous messages through his messengers? Get outta here! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 25, 10:21 AM
        1. Of course the erroneous messages of Luther and FYM are not from God. - Tomas on Nov 29, 6:19 PM
          1. Keep on dreaming! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 4, 5:27 PM
            1. What a detailed well-reasoned argument! - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:07 PM
              1. Easy: Just tell me you like dreaming. Especially about the correctness of INC's - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 6, 10:14 PM
                1. You don't agree with at least some INC teachings? - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:50 PM
      2. Thomas, if a messages is wrong, then the message is not from God. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 25, 9:35 PM
        1. Of course wrong messages of Luther and FYM are not from God. - Tomas on Nov 29, 6:27 PM
          1. FYM was infallible IN TERMS OF preaching the words of God. - emmanuel on Dec 5, 9:38 AM
            1. But that violates sola scriptura. - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:12 PM
            2. If angel FYM was infallible in preaching the words of God, the other two angels of God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 12, 2:02 PM
        2. Really, if FYM was infallible, how did he communicate with the four angels? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 5, 2:00 PM
          1. The verse was figurative, not literal. - emmanuel on Dec 6, 12:55 AM
            1. How can FYM's crying with a loud voice to INC be the meaning - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:14 PM
              1. His preaching is the meaning of the 'crying'. - emmanuel on Dec 7, 7:17 AM
                1. But the angel from the east is supposed to cry or preach to the other four - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:53 PM
            2. Is an angel a messenger of God, with instructions from God to deliver a message, or is he - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 12, 2:10 PM
              1. God's messenger have different work. Some to preach and some to give a short message. - emmanuel on Dec 13, 9:03 AM
                1. You didn't answer my questions. I wonder why. What are you afraid of? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2:49 PM
          2. Emmanuel is saying his preaching is crying. So did he preach to the four angels? - Dean O Gowan on Dec 7, 2:48 PM
            1. Did the verse said,... - emmanuel on Dec 9, 8:27 AM
              1. I have to agree with Dean, YOU told Tomas, his (Manalo's) preaching is the "crying". Not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 8:24 AM
                1. You understand it out of context. - emmanuel on Dec 13, 9:01 AM
                  1. Why don't you educate me? You're evading a lot here. Your angel theory just stinks, you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2:52 PM
     
  6. I miss the Christian radio broadcaster Harold Camping. View Thread - Tomas on Dec 17, 7:44 PM
    1. Protestants like Tomas prefer to listen to other Protestants rather than the Church - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 20, 6:01 AM
      1. I listen to all kinds of good churches, including the Catholic church. - Tomas on Dec 20, 5:52 PM
     
  7. INCquiisitor, If preaching is crying, did FYM preach to the four angels? View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 9, 12:51 AM
    1. The angel will preach the word of God when he cried with a loud voice. - emmanuel on Dec 9, 8:24 AM
    2. You don't know what you are talking about. I'm not an INC. - Incquisitor on Dec 9, 5:40 PM
    3. OK, Emmanuel, you are full of b.s. how did FYM preach to the four angels? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 9, 9:01 PM
      1. Did the verse said the angel will preach to the four angels? - emmanuel on Dec 12, 8:38 AM
    4. Emmanuel, you said "The angel will preach the word of God when he cried with a loud voice. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 12, 9:19 AM
     
  8. The Islands of the sea lie to the west View Thread - Saleem Sinai on Oct 23, 12:43 AM
    1. Saleem, welcome back! - Dean O'Gowan on Oct 23, 7:34 PM
    2. PM me at Facebook. - Dean O' Gowan on Nov 5, 11:15 AM
    3. How you explain that the east is the west - emmanuel on Nov 5, 7:28 PM
      1. I think the verse contrasts the east with the islands - Tomas on Nov 8, 5:48 PM
      2. The east is not the west - Saleem on Nov 28, 2:56 AM
        1. What do you mean the islands of the sea LIE to the west? - emmanuel on Dec 6, 1:04 AM
          1. The islands nearest to Israel are to the west. - Tomas on Dec 6, 5:57 PM
          2. Sea is westward - Saleem on Dec 9, 1:28 AM
    4. Saleem, you might visit the Facebook where there are Iglesia members and - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 2, 10:38 AM
      1. ...and invite Gordon to join also. - ncv, jr. on Dec 2, 11:43 AM
     
  9. John 1:18 clearly tells Jesus is God. There should be no more doubt about it. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 23, 1:15 AM
    1. if you read nrsv douay, your opinion would be baseless - Observer2 on Nov 23, 2:45 PM
    2. Observer 2 did not observe well. It is not opinion. It is translation by bible scholars. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 23, 4:00 PM
      1. Are DOuay and NRSV translations crystal-clear to you? - Kumag Ka on Nov 23, 5:13 PM
      2. These versions were translated by Trinitarian scholars. - Incquisitor on Nov 24, 6:28 AM
      3. INCquisitor, then find scholars who are Aryans. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 25, 4:17 AM
        1. You are confusing Aryans with Arians. - Tomas on Nov 29, 6:02 PM
        2. Why would a SUPREME BEING need THREE consciousness - Incquisitor on Nov 30, 4:12 AM
        3. INCquisitor, that's why you are human. You can only think one at a time. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 8:59 AM
      4. INCquisitor asks a common question. "How many God do Trinitarians have?" - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 25, 5:19 AM
        1. We are talking of the number of "beings" or "persons" or - Incquisitor on Nov 30, 5:04 AM
        2. INCquiisitor, the concept that God is a trinity of 3 Persons is revealed by Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 30, 9:25 AM
          1. The TRUTH that Jesus revealed about God is that - Incquisitor on Dec 7, 6:13 PM
    3. Kumag, why are you afraid of various translations? They clarify, makes clear, makes it - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 6:18 AM
    4. In this connection, various translations also point to the correct translations of - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 24, 6:23 AM
    5. Observer and Kumag are right. Any translations saying "God" in reference to Jesus in that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 25, 5:04 PM
    6. Oh, I forgot, INCquisitor is right too. Sorry, my friend. But he also ought to be grateful - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 25, 5:09 PM
      1. Why should one be grateful to someone who is leading you - Incquisitor on Nov 30, 5:10 AM
        1. The unfortunate fact is, that you don't believe in the in the many testimonies in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student on Nov 30, 8:48 AM
    7. John 1:18 proves Jesus is God? Bwa ha hahha where's the magic word, dude? - Kumag Ka on Nov 26, 5:34 PM
     
  10. OK Emmanuel, I concede that Felix Manalo is prophesied in the bible. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 6, 7:22 AM
    1. But FYM did not claim new prophecy revelations. - Tomas on Dec 6, 6:03 PM
     
  11. Emmanuel, why don't you explain why you believe that Felix Manalo was angel of the east. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 11, 7:40 AM
    1. In the light of typhoon Yolanda, it has strong reference to the Rev. 7:1-4 - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 11, 7:43 AM
      1. The wind is war that coincides with the emergence of the INC. - emmanuel on Nov 11, 2:15 PM
      2. World War I did not involve Asia, South America and Central and Southern Africa. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 11, 2:26 PM
        1. The true angel of the east instructed the four angels to hold the winds - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 11, 2:58 PM
          1. The verses are metaphors, NOT literal. - emmanuel on Nov 11, 7:23 PM
          2. OK, explain the metaphor. How did Felix Manalo become angel of the east? - Deab O'Gowan on Nov 12, 1:54 PM
            1. Because the prophecy was fulfilled to him. - emmanuel on Nov 13, 9:02 PM
            2. How was the prophecy fulfilled through him? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 1:29 AM
            3. There was no prophecy about Felix Manalo. He gave no instructions to the four angels. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:51 AM
        2. Involved or not, it was a world war. It didn't say European war. - emmanuel on Nov 11, 7:20 PM
          1. There are four corners of the world, north, south, east and west. - Deab O'Gowan on Nov 12, 1:46 PM
            1. World leaders stand for four angels. - emmanuel on Nov 13, 8:48 PM
            2. If the angels stand for world leaders? Who is the leader from the east? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 1:32 AM
              1. Must not be understood literally. - emmanuel on Nov 14, 2:20 AM
              2. Obviously the wind is not war. But literal super wind like typhoon Yolanda. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:30 AM
        3. So you are saying Felix Manalo did not give any instruction to the angels? - Deab O'Gowan on Nov 12, 12:51 PM
          1. The angel is metaphor so is the 'instruction'. - emmanuel on Nov 13, 8:50 PM
          2. Metaphor, so in real life, Felix Manalo did not give any instruction to any of the angels. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 1:34 AM
            1. Who is this angel of the east and four angels you are talking about? - emmanuel on Nov 14, 2:25 AM
            2. Emmanuel, Rev. 7:1-4 is about literal angels. War is Rev. 6:4. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:39 AM
        4. Super Typhoons and tsunamis will harm the earth, the seas and the trees. Not war. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 13, 4:50 AM
          1. Your interpretation was not guided by the Holy Spirit. - emmanuel on Nov 13, 9:15 PM
          2. Emmanuel, your own church does not believe in the Holy Spirit as a Person, - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 1:38 AM
            1. INC is correct. Holy Spirit is not a person of God. - emmanuel on Nov 14, 2:21 AM
            2. So if the H.S. is not a person, it is inanimate like wind. How can wind guide you? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:20 AM
              1. We never prayed to the Holy Spirit. Only to the Father and Son. - emmanuel on Nov 16, 8:59 PM
              2. Emmanuel, you say that our interpretation is not guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 17, 3:07 PM
                1. A Holy Spirit might be a person but not of God. - emmanuel on Dec 5, 9:45 AM
          3. Emmanuel, no bible scholar in the world will agree that Felix Manalo was angel of the east - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 1:43 AM
            1. INC preaches the correct doctrine Jesus have preached. - emmanuel on Nov 14, 2:24 AM
              1. Jesus did not preach God is only the Father. - Tomas on Nov 22, 8:37 PM
            2. Emmanuel, you don't know background in the time of Jesus. There were many temples - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:49 AM
              1. Who is Jesus. Read the various translations of John 1:18 - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 14, 5:50 AM
    2. Emmanuel, you fail to prove that Felix Manalo was angel of the east. - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 16, 12:42 AM
      1. You failed to comprehend and have faith. - emmanuel on Nov 16, 11:32 PM
        1. The angel of - Albert on Nov 18, 1:36 PM
          1. INC just gives the interpretation of what was written. - emmanuel on Dec 5, 9:53 AM
      2. Emmanuel, how can we trust your interpretation when it doesn't make sense? - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 17, 3:12 PM
        1. Connection. - emmanuel on Dec 6, 1:01 AM
    3. Emmanuel, can you find an impartial reputable bible scholar in the world who will read - Dean O'Gowan on Nov 18, 7:14 AM
      1. Must be open minded and have faith to understand. - emmanuel on Dec 6, 1:02 AM
     
 
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