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  1. why so many criminality in catholic countries? View Thread - tf on Mar 18, 2:37 AM
    1. There are criminals because they don't practice Christianity. But EGM himself condemns all - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 6:12 AM
      1. what a pity for catholicism - tf on Mar 22, 4:49 AM
        1. In Catholic countries like France and Austria, crime rates are low. - Tomas on Mar 28, 6:40 PM
        2. So it depends on the country. In poor countries like Philippines or Venezuela, - Tomas on Mar 28, 6:52 PM
     
  2. Mystery 'Tips for Jesus' tipper View Thread - Sung on Jan 4, 1:22 PM
    1. Payment to informants - Kat Sung on Jan 13, 11:26 AM
    2. 806. Financial institution (12/24/2013) - katsung on Jan 23, 12:56 PM
    3. Tips for Jesus - Sung on Feb 2, 12:03 PM
    4. massive informants payment - Sung on Feb 13, 5:41 PM
    5. Bitcoin invented to pay? - Sung on Feb 24, 3:17 PM
      1. One bitcoin company very recently declared bankruptcy, - Tomas on Feb 28, 7:35 PM
    6. A terrorist war to control Bitcoin business - Sung on Mar 7, 11:04 AM
      1. It has been speculated that Radtke simply committed suicide. - Tomas on Mar 7, 9:20 PM
    7. Who owns the wallet of Bitcoin? - Sung on Mar 17, 4:39 PM
    8. Who likes it, who doesn't? - Sung on Mar 28, 1:43 PM
      1. Russia could be right about bitcoin, but it is a very corrupt government - Tomas on Mar 28, 6:22 PM
     
  3. a classic study of verse manipulation by a trinitarian--->Michael View Thread - tf on Mar 27, 9:41 PM
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  5. michael if yahweh is the high priest..then who is this high priest serving? View Thread - TF on Mar 24, 3:53 AM
    1. I think you didn't quite understood what it means to say that Christ is Yahweh. - Michael on Mar 24, 4:28 AM
      1. yahweh do not refer to nature as you are implying - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:46 AM
        1. Of course Yahweh is the name only ascribed to the Almighty God. - Michael on Mar 25, 8:11 AM
          1. so who is this almighty god who id called yahweh - tf on Mar 26, 3:01 AM
            1. The God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses - Michael on Mar 26, 2:53 PM
              1. the Word God in your title, is that a who or merely a name for you? - truthfinder on Mar 26, 10:06 PM
                1. What do you mean? Did that not answer your question? - Michael on Mar 27, 2:39 AM
                  1. the term God of Abraham, etc.. - tf on Mar 27, 3:39 AM
                    1. As I said, I don't understand your question. Please clarify. - Michael on Mar 27, 4:28 AM
      2. Why don't you explain in the context of what is written - NOT - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 6:56 AM
        1. What are you talking about? - Michael on Mar 25, 9:04 AM
          1. We are seekers of "truth." What you say is not the "truth." - INCquisitor on Mar 26, 5:46 PM
            1. If you say that what I say is false, then prove it and not just merely say it's false. - Michael on Mar 27, 4:26 AM
     
  6. inc opens livelihood project in leyte View Thread - tf on Mar 16, 11:24 PM
    1. hey dean is thid positive action or not? - tf on Mar 18, 2:34 AM
    2. tf, you are bribing people to be members of the INC with housing. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 6:31 AM
      1. that is called helping in times of need - tf on Mar 20, 3:32 AM
      2. It's called a mousetrap. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 20, 6:37 AM
    3. Anything that LOOKS good in the eyes of man but is NOT - INCquisitor on Mar 21, 4:45 AM
     
  7. kill, Destroy, pride, selfish, hungry for real life that me View Thread - year2027 on Mar 9, 1:00 PM
    1. Roy is crazy. He should seek psychiatric help. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 11, 5:58 AM
    2. Please Roy, don't kill yourself. That is a sin of murder. - Tomas on Mar 14, 6:39 PM
     
  8. 2016 target..10 per cent more of phil population View Thread - tf on Mar 2, 9:30 PM
    1. will this be good for our country? - tf on Mar 8, 7:59 PM
    2. This is disaster for the country. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 11, 6:01 AM
      1. a comment from a non INC, who sees facts and not opinion - tf on Mar 11, 11:20 AM
    3. TF's reference does not want to be known. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 12, 5:50 AM
      1. 10% who comes up with this stuff...should definitely help with the bloc voting.... - James on Mar 13, 1:57 PM
        1. Proof of that is that they could not give up - Konrad on Mar 13, 2:44 PM
    4. Why only 10%? Why 2016? - Michael on Mar 14, 5:29 AM
     
  9. Boys and girls, I'm going on Christmas vacation and will rejoice the birth of View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 8:28 AM
    1. Merry Christmas Guenter. I guess you will be celebrating Christmas - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 15, 10:01 AM
      1. Jesus was not born on Dec. 25th nor on Jan. 6th. - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:02 PM
        1. Who says Jesus was born on those days? Nobody knows. Nobody knows the b/d of a child found - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 25, 8:19 AM
          1. With a child born on the steps of a church, we - Tomas on Dec 27, 1:19 PM
            1. What part of "Lowest temperature in December ever recorded in Bethlehem was 30 degree F." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2:38 PM
              1. I wonder if that is the lowest high in December. - Tomas on Jan 24, 9:28 PM
                1. Speculating Tomas again! When it says the lowest ever recorded temperature, it IS the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 27, 7:06 AM
                  1. So can you point me to the web site that says it, so I can read it - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:39 AM
                    1. I'm not your babysitter, find it yourself. You cannot say Dec 25 is a lie, because you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 11:02 AM
                      1. OK, myweather2.com says lowest ever in Bethlehem - Tomas on Feb 7, 11:25 PM
                      2. You've been a good boy. Now be even better and find out the highest temperature. That was - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 11:29 AM
                      3. Rain is good for growing grass OK, but bad to sleep in. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2:18 AM
                      4. You've not been a good boy this time. What was the highest temperature recorded in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2:31 PM
                      5. Of course sometimes a high temperature. And of course - Tomas on Feb 22, 5:52 AM
                      6. Alright, here ya go. Therefore it is quite possible that Dec. 25 was a warm and pleasant - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 8:00 AM
                      7. It sure could have been a warm and pleasant day, - Tomas on Mar 1, 2:02 AM
                      8. In your response to Dean you based it on the "inclement" weather in Bethlehem that would - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 9:51 AM
                      9. It could have been a pleasant warm day, but then comes - Tomas on Mar 8, 2:32 AM
        2. You're mumbling nothing but baloney. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 25, 8:23 AM
    2. I can rejoice in the birth of our Savior any day, but - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:13 PM
      1. You're mumbling nothing but baloney...Sorry, this line wasn't for your previous, but this - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 25, 8:26 AM
        1. It is not baloney. It is a sin to mix Christianity with paganism. - Tomas on Feb 1, 12:50 AM
          1. We can celebrate the b/d of Jesus on any day we want, in spirit and in truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 1, 6:40 PM
            1. I have just explained Romans 14 above. - Tomas on Feb 7, 11:32 PM
              1. You have no right accusing us of mixing Christianity with paganism, because we don't! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 8:33 AM
                1. Don't deny it is a pagan calendar. - Tomas on Feb 15, 2:28 AM
                  1. You're becoming more and more of a joke. We use Arabic numbers, they surely are pagan - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2:49 PM
                    1. You can use Arabic numbers, they are not part of a pagan religion. - Tomas on Feb 22, 6:57 AM
                      1. Why would Christians use the Jewish calendar? Do Christians follow the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 9:24 AM
                      2. For religious purposes, only the biblical calendar is worthy, - Tomas on Mar 8, 3:14 AM
                  2. I forgot to mention......according to you, the Bible, as we use it, is also a mixture of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 4:34 PM
                    1. No, the Roman letters or the Greek letters are not paganism, - Tomas on Feb 22, 7:33 AM
    3. but why are most pagan gods like horus, mithra, dionysus born on dec 25th just like Jesus? - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 5:36 AM
      1. You're mumbling baloney too, like your friend Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 25, 8:26 AM
      2. You're mumbling baloney too, like your friend Tomas. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 25, 8:28 AM
        1. Why, Guenter, why all these man-made Gods are born DEc 25th? - Kumag Ka on Dec 25, 8:20 PM
          1. Man made gods were born on any day of the calender, not only December 25. If you don't - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2:45 PM
     
  10. INC doctrine that only messengers of God are authorized View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 1, 6:19 PM
    1. I am sorry that you encountered a minister who was so impoliteq - Tomas on Feb 8, 12:15 AM
      1. Examples are NOT enough to NEGATE the words of Jesus. - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 6:43 AM
        1. The examples prove Jesus told them they can now worship him and - Tomas on Feb 15, 3:54 AM
          1. LOL, Tomas. What happened to "you shall not ADD to what is written", as you elsewhere - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:24 PM
            1. I don't add to the Bible. But trying to figure out - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:20 AM
              1. Sorry, my friend, but you do add to scriptures. You are trying to figure out what is NOT - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 12:55 AM
                1. I am like other Christians, trying to figure out what the verses - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:23 AM
                  1. Lame excuses, you're ADDING to the scriptures when you're saying Jesus must have told - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 8:14 AM
                    1. No verse has to say it in such words, it is still explicit - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:23 AM
          2. Don't you know what facts and opinions do? - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:45 AM
            1. If it were important for Jesus to rebuke them for worshipping him, - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:35 AM
              1. Your lack of faith in the words of Jesus shows. - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 7:05 AM
                1. I believe all the words of Jesus. He said worship God, but - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:35 AM
      2. My minister called me an idiot after I told him about his errors. That was in Houston, TX. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 6:16 PM
        1. So sad you had such bad experiences. - Tomas on Feb 22, 4:48 AM
          1. Tomas, you cannot serve two masters. - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:51 AM
            1. INCquisitor..Tomas only serves ONE master: Tomas! By the way, INCquisitor, thank you for - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:04 AM
              1. If anyone deviates from any of Jesus' teachings, he does not have God? - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:39 PM
                1. What part of " Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 7:45 AM
                  1. If you believe we have to be infallible to be saved, then I guess - Tomas on Mar 8, 1:16 AM
            2. INCquisitor, I serve only God and Jesus, not any evil master, - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:25 PM
              1. You are wrong Tomas. Trinitarian churches do not have God. - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 7:52 AM
                1. You're still misunderstanding John 17:3. But you're absolutely correct, there is no - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 8:28 AM
                  1. The word "Father" needs no modifier. - INCquisitor on Mar 2, 11:00 AM
                    1. Fine, just remain in your error. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 4:13 PM
          2. In my experience, what happened to me is typical INC behavior, even to their own members. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:12 AM
            1. If that were typical, that would be sad for INC. - Tomas on Mar 1, 12:00 AM
     
  11. Christ said, "I will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 10, 5:22 AM
    1. Thanks to people like Luther the "ravenous wolves" in Christ's church did not prevail. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 11, 3:14 PM
      1. Luther protested against the leader of the Catholic church, - Tomas on Dec 20, 6:58 PM
    2. "the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church that - Incquisitor on Dec 21, 5:43 AM
    3. Your INC interpretation is inconsistent with other passages. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 21, 8:35 AM
      1. The first death is natural death. X - Incquisitor on Dec 22, 7:22 AM
        1. The second death will be natural death too. - Tomas on Jan 3, 6:29 PM
    4. INCquisitor, we are not talking about men. But the Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 22, 5:42 PM
      1. The church that Christ built is composed of "disciples of Christ." - Incquisitor on Dec 22, 6:46 PM
    5. You are right that the Church is "the body of Christ" (disciples) and they keep growing. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 3:09 AM
      1. INCquisitor, there is no disputing that Jesus is man, just like Obama is man. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 3:28 AM
        1. You are comparing apples with oranges. - Incquisitor on Dec 24, 7:06 AM
        2. INCquisitor, read various translations of John 1:18. It will show that Jesus is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 2:23 PM
        3. Why did Caiphas have Jesus crucified? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 3:38 PM
      2. Earlier you said that men die but the church doesn't. - Incquisitor on Dec 24, 5:51 AM
      3. INCquisitor, you are inconsistent. Jesus said that he will build his church and the gates - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 24, 6:28 AM
        1. Of course, the church that Christ built NEVER died. - Incquisitor on Dec 25, 6:45 AM
          1. The church that Christ built has not been dormant either. - Tomas on Dec 27, 1:36 PM
            1. The Catholic Church was NEVER the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 6:47 PM
              1. The Catholic church is a large part of the church that - Tomas on Jan 3, 6:39 PM
                1. God NEVER forgave Israel for its sin of idolatry. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 3:42 PM
                  1. Israel knew the commandments against idolatry but - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:31 PM
                    1. God's commandments in Exodus 20:3-5 are clear. - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 6:31 PM
                      1. Not clear enough for churches like Catholics or Orthodox. - Tomas on Jan 31, 10:26 PM
                      2. Are you a Catholic apologist Tomas or.... - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 9:22 AM
                      3. I am not Catholic apologist, but I apologize for their errors. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:44 PM
                      4. Why apologize if you truly believe these are ERRORS? - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 8:54 PM
                      5. I apologize on behalf of misguided Christians, because - Tomas on Feb 14, 10:22 PM
        2. INCquisitor, if you don't believe that Jesus founded the Catholic Church, which then is - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 28, 9:58 PM
          1. Do these churches believe in Jesus and abide in his - INCquisitor on Dec 31, 5:43 PM
        3. INCquisitor, you again failed to give an intelligent answer. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 1, 1:49 AM
    6. INCquisitor, why did Caiphas wanted Jesus crucified? - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 23, 9:30 AM
      1. Caiphas did not want to crucify Jesus. - Incquisitor on Dec 25, 6:36 AM
    7. INCquisitor contradicted himself again. - Dean O Gowan on Dec 27, 11:55 PM
      1. Caiphas PROPHESIED that Jesus would die. - INCquisitor on Dec 28, 6:31 PM
    8. INCquisitor, did you quit the INC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 2, 2:09 PM
      1. Yes, I did. - INCquisitor on Jan 2, 5:53 PM
        1. Are you the founder of this "First-Century Church of Christ"? - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 3, 4:39 PM
          1. It was Christ who founded this church in the first century. - INCquisitor on Jan 6, 5:12 PM
            1. Christ founded your church the same way He founded Iglesia ni Cristo? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 29, 1:39 PM
        2. One of the many churches that know it all..LOL. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 18, 2:57 PM
    9. You are right, Jesus founded His Church. Then who gives you the right - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 4:58 AM
      1. The FCCC is the CONTINUATION of the church that Christ built. - INCquisitor on Jan 8, 5:58 PM
        1. That's your opinion. And it's wrong. - Dean O'Gowan on Jan 8, 7:57 PM
          1. Christ's promises were to his church NOT to the - INCquisitor on Jan 9, 4:09 AM
            1. So if in your opinion the Catholic church was the replacement - Tomas on Jan 10, 5:30 PM
              1. You don't know what Christ meant when he said, - INCquisitor on Jan 11, 7:27 PM
                1. If you were right, Jesus was a liar. The gates of hell prevailed and made the Apostolic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 16, 2:58 PM
                  1. The Catholic Church was founded by a few overseers - INCquisitor on Jan 16, 5:56 PM
                    1. You have been falling in the INC trap. INC and you don't understand the most simplest - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 16, 8:47 PM
                      1. Paul was referring to "some" of the elders of the church - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 6:38 AM
                      2. You truly meant "all" when you said the Catholic Church is not the church that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 7:47 AM
                      3. It's you who don't undstand the most simple English. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 6:45 AM
                      4. Misunderstanding. With few or some I meant the ones who left or betrayed the Apostolic - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 7:52 AM
                      5. The Catholic Church was founded by the "few" overseers - INCquisitor on Jan 18, 6:52 PM
                      6. You are misunderstanding the Bible and the teachings of all true Christian churches, which - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 7:23 AM
                      7. Not all true Christian churches teach Jesus as the second person - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:49 PM
                      8. Churches that don't believe in the deity of Jesus, are not true Christian churches. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 26, 8:16 PM
                      9. Where did you learn what you re saying? - INCquisitor on Jan 29, 4:36 AM
                      10. For once, I agree with you, at least in part. Yes, true Christians are disciple of Christ - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 29, 8:05 AM
                      11. Catholics are NOT disciples of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 30, 4:10 AM
                      12. I see, the devil will not let you go. You stubbornly refuse to properly understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 7:19 AM
                      13. There are not many verses where Jesus said he is God. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:47 PM
                      14. I repeat, the deity of Jesus is not an essential doctrine. - Tomas on Feb 7, 8:14 PM
                      15. And who gives you the infallibility to say it's not essential? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 12:37 PM
                      16. We are not infallible to determine what is essential, we just - Tomas on Feb 14, 10:36 PM
                      17. As I told you elsewhere, you are sooo lost, yet so infallible on essential doctrines. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 7:03 PM
                      18. I do acknowledge there are a few verses that hint Jesus might - Tomas on Feb 22, 3:15 AM
                      19. Re: I do acknowledge there are a few verses that hint Jesus might - INCquisitor on Feb 23, 8:33 AM
                      20. But in the original languages, no scripture contradicts the doctrine of Christ. - Tomas on Feb 28, 10:42 PM
                      21. They are only "hints" if you don't understand or don't want to understand. Like when you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 24, 1:26 AM
                      22. I do understand the hints, they tell us that Jesus might be God, - Tomas on Feb 28, 11:16 PM
                      23. Finally I agree with you: you are the master author of confusion: "The word is a god." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 2, 4:26 PM
                      24. That is good Greek in John 1:1. - Tomas on Mar 8, 12:00 AM
                2. Incquisitor, these are gates of Hades, not the second death. - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:45 PM
                  1. Heb. 9:27 says it is appointed for all men to die once, - INCquisitor on Jan 26, 10:01 AM
                    1. If all church members were dead, as you claim, then - Tomas on Jan 31, 10:37 PM
                      1. Your understanding truly STINKS! - INCquisitor on Feb 2, 8:32 AM
                      2. All dead church members are in hades now. - Tomas on Feb 7, 9:21 PM
                      3. Re: All dead church members are in hades now. - INCquisitor on Feb 11, 2:50 PM
                      4. There were always Christians not in hades, alive. - Tomas on Feb 14, 11:13 PM
     
 
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