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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. INCquisitor: On Eph.2:15, the One New Man (others are welcome to join) View Thread - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:01 AM
    1. Important correction! Missing word* in CAPS! Sorry about that. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:27 AM
      1. Oh, you don't agree. Too bad. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 4:01 PM
        1. So you agree with INC and FCCC. That's what's too bad Tomas. - Michael on Sep 3, 2014, 4:46 AM
          1. Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 8:36 AM
            1. Re: Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Michael on Sep 30, 2014, 11:52 AM
              1. The head of the body, the church. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:15 AM
                1. Re: The head of the body, the church. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 3:06 AM
                  1. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:39 PM
                    1. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:12 AM
                      1. Still more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:52 PM
                      2. Re: Still more about the head and the body. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 5:14 PM
                      3. And more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:21 PM
                      4. Tomas: More about the head and the body. - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:51 AM
                      5. Michael: More about the head and the body. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:34 AM
                      6. Tomas: More about the new man, with Christ as the head, and the church, the body - MIchael on Dec 13, 2014, 8:02 AM
                      7. Yes, more about all that. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
                      8. Re: Yes, more about all that. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 1:40 AM
                      9. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      10. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:52 PM
                      11. More about this. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:17 AM
     
  2. God (Deity) is the only one uncreated. View Thread - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 2:27 AM
    1. Care to comment INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:18 PM
      1. Whatever answer one may give to your question, the TRUTH - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 4:55 PM
        1. And what are your answer to the questions INCQUISITOR? - Michael on Jun 30, 2014, 9:51 PM
        2. The truth INCQUISITOR is that you evade & reject the TRUTH that the questions brings out. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 8:28 PM
          1. Apostle Paul warned about people like you, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 6:07 AM
            1. If your understanding of scriptures is right, you will be able to answer the questions. - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 11:39 AM
              1. You may fool some people all of the time but you cannot... - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:23 PM
                1. Your response sure proves nothing written at the OP. And yes, that is to say you are truly - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:14 PM
                  1. I'm simply heedin apostle Paul's warning, saying: - INCquisitor on Jul 5, 2014, 6:42 PM
                    1. Heeding Paul's warning does not mean you turn your back on the truth. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 1:50 AM
                      1. As I said, your "philosophical" questions are designed to - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 2014, 6:46 AM
                      2. There is nothing philosophical in my questions INCQUISITOR. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:38 AM
                      3. Michael, you cannot intelligently argue with language impaired people like INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 2014, 3:04 PM
                      4. Your post seems to tell the source of such thinking and attitude GUENTER - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:00 PM
                      5. What do your questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 2014, 4:47 PM
                      6. Truth about God, what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:03 PM
                      7. What TRUTHS will these questions lead to? - INCquisitor on Jul 21, 2014, 4:48 PM
                      8. Truth about God, INCquisitor. You can answer those if you know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 8:16 PM
                      9. What truth about God are you talking about? - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 2014, 3:44 AM
                      10. Make a thread for your issues INCquisitor, and not mess this thread. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 4:05 AM
                      11. What I posted are TRUTHS about God that CANNOT - INCquisitor on Jul 22, 2014, 4:36 AM
                      12. But that is just not what this thread is about. Make another one if you will. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:40 AM
    2. Care to comment INCer? - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
    3. INCer TF, care to comment on the OP? - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 11:17 PM
    4. Michael, Melchizedek is uncreated. Now he might be God, - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 1:55 AM
      1. That's what you understand scripture is saying to you. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 2:57 PM
        1. That's right. So my answers below. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:34 PM
          1. Re: That's right. So my answers below. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 11:03 PM
            1. OK, my answers about God here. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:03 AM
              1. Re: OK, my answers about God here. - Michael on Jul 21, 2014, 5:17 AM
                1. My further answers about God. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:41 AM
                  1. My further comments - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 12:26 AM
                    1. My comments to your further comments: - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 12:36 AM
                      1. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 6, 2014, 4:35 AM
                      2. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 4:27 AM
                      3. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 10:37 AM
                      4. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 5:37 AM
                      5. Tomas, my further comments. - Michael on Aug 20, 2014, 12:51 PM
                      6. Michael, my additional comments. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 6:36 PM
                      7. Re: Michael, my additional comments. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 12:34 AM
                      8. Michael, my further comments. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 4:55 AM
                      9. Re: Michael, my further comments. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 1:51 AM
                      10. Re: Michael, my further comments. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 1:52 AM
                      11. Michael, my additional comments. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 9:20 AM
                      12. Re: Michael, my additional comments. - Michael on Oct 30, 2014, 2:31 PM
                      13. More discussion. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 3:19 AM
                      14. Re: More discussion. - Michael on Nov 19, 2014, 6:02 PM
                      15. More discussion about these interesting and significant issues. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:08 AM
                      16. Re: More discussion about these interesting and significant issues. - Michael on Dec 4, 2014, 11:51 PM
                      17. Yet more discussion about these issues. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:20 AM
                      18. Re: Yet more discussion about these issues. - Michael on Jan 23, 2015, 7:54 PM
                      19. More discussion. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 12:31 AM
    5. Apparently INCers dont know God and what Deity is. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 2:41 AM
      1. Christians know God, but nobody can know everything about him. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:45 AM
        1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 3:38 PM
          1. Actually, that statement of yours, that God is uncreated - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 12:57 AM
            1. How about you Tomas? - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 7:38 AM
              1. The Bible at least strongly implies in some verses - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 1:42 AM
                1. So Tomas, as far as your answer goes, you simply just don't know or can't say. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 10:49 AM
                  1. At least the Father is uncreated. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 5:44 AM
                    1. No problem Tomas. I now see how you see and know God. - Michael on Aug 20, 2014, 7:57 AM
                      1. Well, when the Bible is silent about such things, - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 7:00 PM
                      2. But scriptures is not silent about the Deity of Christ. Even history testifies of this. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 4:43 AM
                      3. Not true, and history does not prove it either. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 11:04 AM
                      4. Have you not read my post? - Michael on Oct 31, 2014, 7:34 AM
                      5. Of course I did read and did answer your post. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 4:47 AM
                      6. Re: Of course I did read and did answer your post. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 8:16 PM
                      7. OK, more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:43 AM
                      8. Re: OK, more discussion about Christ. - Michael on Dec 5, 2014, 3:16 AM
                      9. And more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:32 AM
                      10. Re: And more discussion about Christ. - Michael on Jan 13, 2015, 4:30 PM
                      11. Still more discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 24, 2015, 1:52 AM
    6. mr.philosopher here is the direct revelation of the bible..just listen - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:11 AM
      1. Hmmmm, God is not Lord? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 27, 2014, 7:51 AM
    7. To TF, the truthfinder. Hope you find the truth someday. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 7:31 AM
     
  3. Guys, you cannot help INCquisitor who maintains Trinity = 3 Gods. Idiots cannot be helped. View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:56 PM
    1. You are correct. Idiots cannot be helped. But who is an "idiot?" - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 4:03 AM
      1. An idiot was talking, everybody understands that. Trinity = 3 Gods. Statement of a pure - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 21, 2015, 9:36 AM
    2. Guenter, if one can't refute the trinity, he refutes another and brand it trinity. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 5:58 AM
     
  4. Guys, you also can't help Anna, who doesn't have any refutation to the truth presented to View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:16 PM
    1. Of course she can't. Truth can't simply be refuted. So, all she can do is evade. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:01 AM
     
  5. Pasugo says View Thread - BagoAral on Jan 20, 2015, 8:59 PM
    1. That's old news. I don't understand Tagalog, but INC's contradictions are well recorded on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 9:15 PM
     
  6. Simple questions for the FYMers and ministers. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:51 AM
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  8. Does anyone know why Christ built HIS church? View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 29, 2014, 7:25 AM
    1. The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 11:04 PM
      1. Re: The main reason is we have to be saved in the church, - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 11:28 AM
        1. Sure the church does not save us, only God saves us, but1 - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
          1. I'm glad Tomas, that you agree that the church does not save. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 7:37 AM
            1. God saves us through Jesus, in the church. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:57 AM
              1. God is the Savior, not the church. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 11:26 AM
                1. Of course. But he saves us in the church. - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:13 PM
                  1. You keep saying "in the church". I think it sends a wrong message. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:25 AM
                    1. When we are saved, we are added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:09 AM
                      1. That's right. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:33 PM
    2. What church do you mean? Building or what? Just to be clear. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 3:41 AM
      1. Do you honestly believe that Jesus built a building? - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:43 PM
        1. I don't but some people does. It's only for clarification. - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 10:15 PM
    3. How to Find the True Church... - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 4:57 AM
      1. Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them" (Matt. 7:15-20). - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 4:41 PM
      2. Yes IncQ, the Church Jesus founded teaches the teachings of Jesus. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 7:33 PM
        1. You LIE Dean. The RCC was not founded by Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 5:01 PM
        2. I'm afraid you have poor education IncQ. Who shall we believe you or world encyclopedias? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:37 PM
        3. More encyclopedias affirm Jesus founded the Catholic Church. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:39 PM
        4. Here are more encyclopedias. Where is your reference? None! - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:40 PM
        5. And more. You have none! You only have erroneous doctrines. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:42 PM
        6. And some more! You only have false teachings of the Iglesias. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 30, 2014, 5:44 PM
      3. How to find the true church - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:35 AM
    4. This is the Church Jesus founded. Which church do you belong to? Who founded it? - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 29, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. The RCC was founded by a few overseers or bishops of the - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 7:03 PM
        1. The Claim of the RCC being founded - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:38 AM
      2. Do you have reference that the Catholic Church was founded by "a few - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 2014, 12:17 PM
        1. Apostle Paul prophesied the departing from the faith of some overseers. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 7:15 PM
          1. Yes. SOME not ALL. - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 9:33 PM
            1. I didn't say ALL, did I? - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 2014, 4:39 AM
              1. Yes you said "SOME", not "ALL". - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:50 AM
          2. IncQ, who should we believe? You or Jesus? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 6:16 AM
            1. It is not the Holy Spirit that guides the RCC. - INCquisitor on Jul 4, 2014, 3:56 PM
            2. If you don't agree that the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 4, 2014, 8:51 PM
              1. Jesus said, "By their fruit you shall know them" (Matt. 7;15-20). - INCquisitor on Jul 7, 2014, 3:58 AM
                1. By their fruits... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:44 AM
              2. So what fruits has your church bore? What is the name of your church? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 8, 2014, 4:13 PM
                1. For one, the FCCC does not teach that Mary is the "mother of God." - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 3:32 AM
                2. What is the FCCC? - Dean O Gowan on Jul 12, 2014, 9:28 AM
                  1. FCCC stands for First-Century Church of Christ. - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 6:48 PM
                    1. FCCC..1st century Chuch... - inhinyero on Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 AM
                      1. Now don't be so harsh on him. Maybe the New Testament was finished being written - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
                      2. The NT did not exist in one volume... - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:30 PM
                      3. OK, maybe no Christian near the end of the first century had ` - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:19 AM
                    2. FCCC...is this the name of the early Church? - Inhinyero on Aug 4, 2014, 1:35 PM
                  2. And you are the founder of this FCCC? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 2014, 8:57 PM
    5. According to scriptures: - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 10:06 PM
      1. Yes, I agree, we are heirs of Christ's body, the church. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 2:34 AM
        1. We are heirs of Christ's body? That's weird. - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 1:53 PM
          1. OK, sorry, I misunderstood you a little. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:02 PM
            1. Glad you have that cleared and agree. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Sure the church is important also for the reasons you stated, but - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:08 AM
                1. What I posted is not about the importance of the church Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 6:36 AM
                  1. I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:08 AM
                    1. Re: I did not say we have to be saved by the church, but - Michael on Jul 28, 2014, 4:17 PM
                      1. True what you say. And I did not really mean we are saved - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      2. The church was not established as necessary for our salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 6:15 AM
                      3. It sure is necessary for our salvation, we can't be saved outside it. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 6:42 AM
                      4. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 12, 2014, 10:43 PM
                      5. OK, we are not saved only by being added to the church. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:33 AM
                      6. No. We are saved and added to the church, and not saved by being added to the church. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 2:23 AM
                      7. But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 11:13 PM
                      8. Re: But that is not what you say in your comment below. - Michael on Sep 1, 2014, 12:46 AM
                      9. As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 12:32 PM
                      10. Re: As I see it, that does not make much sense. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:35 AM
                      12. Re: OK, at the same time. So it is part of salvation. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 11:47 AM
                      13. At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 2:20 PM
                      14. Re: At the same time but not part of salvation, but a consequence of it? - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 12:48 AM
                      15. God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:49 AM
                      16. Re: God saves us by doing several thinks for us, including adding us. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 7:11 AM
                      17. Why would you think that us added to the church is not one of the saving - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:52 PM
                      18. Tomas, try to understand what I say about being added to the church. - Michael on Dec 15, 2014, 7:46 AM
                      19. I do think I understand what you are saying. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 9:44 PM
                      20. I hope. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 6:28 AM
    6. Now, it's your turn INCQUISITOR, what is your answer to your question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 4, 2014, 9:06 PM
    7. What do you say is the reason why Christ builds His church? What's your answer to your OP? - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:55 PM
      1. UP for INCQUISITOR - Michael on Jul 9, 2014, 4:30 PM
    8. INCquisitor, why did Christ built His church? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 7:26 PM
      1. Don't know the answer INCquisitor? What do you tell those who are members of FCCC? - Michael on Aug 13, 2014, 11:49 AM
     
  9. Son of Man: Why do the apostles almost never refer to Jesus by that title? View Thread - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 12:27 PM
    1. your problem is - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:02 AM
      1. TF, I have no problem. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:32 PM
        1. you are one of the world's problem - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:21 PM
          1. He seems to be a good Christian, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
    2. Michael, you are making just an assumption, that the apostles - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:30 AM
      1. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 6:24 AM
      2. Let's look and analyze scriptures then Tomas. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 11:35 AM
        1. It is a mystery. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:45 AM
          1. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:09 AM
          2. A mystery it is, yet is a mystery revealed. - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 3:10 AM
            1. Your revelation is so speculative. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:46 PM
              1. Not so Tomas. That's analysis. Analysis is not speculation, MAYBE's are. - Michael on Oct 20, 2014, 10:04 AM
                1. LOL, Michael, that was a good one. Tomas, the king of Maybe. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 10:11 PM
                2. But your analysis is based on ideas not mentioned in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 10:32 AM
                  1. Is that how you see it? - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 2:58 PM
                    1. Sure, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:28 PM
                      1. Apparently so Tomas. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 8:29 PM
                      2. Your belief of what is the gospel, is not based on Bible verses. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 11:55 PM
                      3. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:24 PM
                      4. Guenter, what? I don't reject anything in the book of Revelation. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:14 AM
                      5. You don't believe in the deity of Jesus Christ as it is revealed in the book of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:39 PM
                      6. Rev. 22:19 does not say we have to be able to understand every verse - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:57 PM
                      7. NO! Your easy way out will not work. You don't believe in Revelation. Revelation is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:18 PM
                      8. I believe in Revelation. Just because neither you nor me - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:53 AM
                      9. It may not be important to you, but it is important to God. God is not the God of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 PM
                      10. God is not the source of confusion, but we can confuse ourselves - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:01 PM
                      11. Tomas, you are the king of confusion. Starting with "The Word was a god." Going to "G - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 3:15 PM
                      12. God has not revealed to us plenty of other things important to him, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:37 PM
                      13. Well, you continue your self destruction. I will not follow you but will warn all people - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:48 PM
                      14. Well, so far I don't think I have persuaded anyone of any doctrine, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:24 PM
                      15. God protects them from your extremely false teachings. Praise the Lord! While many of the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 8:13 PM
                      16. What? I did not call any of you complete idiots, no way. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 8:56 PM
                      17. They didn't change their mind -- so they must be idiots, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      18. No way, many brilliant people are also stubborn. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      19. The opposite is true:Intelligent people change their minds because they are intelligent - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:10 PM
                      20. Some intelligent people change their minds. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 11:01 PM
                      21. You just made my point. Fading brainpower, like in the old Einstein, and by the way also - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:08 AM
                      22. My brainpower is fading? Well, what doctrine have you changed your mind on - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 5:56 PM
                      23. I doubted trinity, like you. But God spoke to me through the Bible. My mind got cleared - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:58 PM
                      24. Well, I rejected trinity, and God spoke to me through the Bible, - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 11:47 PM
                      25. Whether or not is an opinion too, my friend. And your whether or not opinion is based on - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 1:08 PM
                      26. I believe in God's word, the Bible. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 5:35 AM
                      27. Tomas, you believe people and not God's word, the Bible. You believe in false - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 11:10 AM
                      28. Certainly it is Tomas. The gospel is not a list of requirements for one to follow. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 6:41 PM
                      29. No, the gospel is the good news contained in the required doctrines. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:57 PM
                      30. Good news contained in the required doctrines? - Michael on Dec 6, 2014, 12:09 AM
                      31. Yes, each required doctrine has some good news for us. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 5:49 AM
                      32. Well Tomas, you just affirmed that you have a different understanding of what Gospel is. - Michael on Dec 26, 2014, 5:22 AM
                      33. OK, we still disagree on that. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 6:51 PM
                      34. Yes we do Tomas. - Michael on Dec 30, 2014, 8:14 AM
                      35. We do indeed. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:41 AM
                      36. Re: We do indeed. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:12 AM
                      37. Yes, we do disagree on what the gospel contains. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:04 AM
                      38. Michael, you have to give Tomas this statement of his: " Also if anybody rejects anything - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 2:26 PM
                      39. See my answer above, you posted this in two places. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 3:58 PM
                      40. OK - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:49 PM
    3. What you are saying is mere speculation. Thus, I also speculate that... - INCquisitor on Nov 2, 2014, 5:48 AM
      1. What does "Son of Man" mean to INCquisitor? - Michael on Nov 2, 2014, 1:24 PM
        1. It simply means that Jesus is a MAN. - INCquisitor on Nov 3, 2014, 5:57 PM
          1. Therefore, Son of God means Jesus is God! You got it perfectly correct, INCquisitor. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:25 PM
            1. No. Son of God doesn't mean Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Nov 4, 2014, 3:42 AM
              1. We sure believe that. I already told you your grave error the way you interpret John 17:3 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:40 AM
                1. Tell me what your interpretation of John 17:3 is. - INCquisitor on Nov 7, 2014, 6:31 PM
                  1. John 17:3 says that the Father, of course, is the only true God. But you read into it that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 1, 2014, 3:01 PM
          2. There is your understanding of scriptures. - Michael on Nov 4, 2014, 4:16 AM
          3. A man like what WE are now at this moment, a mortal human? - Karlos on Nov 4, 2014, 4:54 AM
            1. So incquisitor, are you going to answer me or not? - Karlos on Nov 6, 2014, 7:06 AM
              1. I think you don't know or are you afraid to answer it! - Karlos on Nov 7, 2014, 12:58 AM
     
  10. For those who would like to upgrade to Facebook, View Thread - Dean O'Gowan on Dec 14, 2014, 8:38 AM
    1. Well, I am neither Catholic nor anti-Catholic, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:28 PM
     
  11. TF, what does John 6:62 tell you? What did FYM tell you about this verse? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 2:13 AM
    1. UP for TF. If you don't know, would you like to ask your ministers? - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:07 AM
      1. hmm..don't take it literally my friend.. - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 4:01 AM
        1. I didn't ask for your advice or opinion TF. It's about scriptures. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:49 PM
          1. where is the verse that says.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:19 PM
            1. No verse says PEOPLE saw him descending from heaven, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. Tomas, I thought Jesus was born dead and not spirit? LOL But I admire your confession - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
                1. If he was created dead, he was created anyway before the foundation - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:20 AM
                  1. Well, Tomas, even considering it a possibility, as you did, that Jesus was created dead, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:45 AM
                    1. I am not infallible, and neither are you. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:13 AM
                      1. The sad thing with you is, that you're coming up with fantasies of yours. Not only about a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:52 AM
                      2. I believe in the Bible as it is written, I have maybes mainly where - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:42 AM
                      3. If you believe in the Bible, why do you come up with fantasies like Jesus was created? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 5, 2014, 8:31 AM
                      4. Because I see it in the Bible. Sorry that you can't. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:28 AM
                      5. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 8:51 AM
    2. Later, the apostles literally saw the Son of man ascending to where He was before (heaven) - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 5:07 AM
      1. elijah was also ascended to the clouds.is he God also - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 3:09 AM
        1. Even while you are not authorized by INC to comment, let me respond to your comment - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 4:41 AM
          1. where it is shown that jesus literally exist in heave as a person before? - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:20 AM
            1. The Son of man is a person, or is he not? And the Son of man is Jesus, or is he not? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:48 AM
            2. and who is that "Spirit of Christ" in 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Oct 22, 2014, 3:44 AM
              1. guenter guenter - tf on Oct 22, 2014, 10:14 PM
                1. Re: guenter guenter - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 1:12 AM
                  1. who is jumping versrs,what verse? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:20 AM
                    1. ngeeeee, are ok? - Karlos on Oct 23, 2014, 4:09 AM
                2. You're utterly confused. "guenter, guenter" when you're responding to Karlos. Tsk. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:38 PM
        2. Hhhhhmmmmmm.... Elijah was in heaven before?....HHmmmmmmm.. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 12:08 PM
          1. the issue here is about the visible ascension.. - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. Your question was if Elijah is also God. And I answered that. Now you're diverting to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:23 PM
            2. What? The issue is Christ ascending to where He was before, not Elijah's. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:12 AM
            3. tf is hiding, and afraid of the truth. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 20, 2014, 9:12 PM
        3. Tf, Elijah ascended to the clouds, not to heaven. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:20 PM
    3. Whatever John 6:62 tells you, Jesus tells me that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and.... - INCquisitor on Oct 24, 2014, 4:37 AM
      1. I know what John 8:40 and John 17:3 tells you. Perhaps John 6:62 tells you nothing - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 8:05 AM
        1. INCquisitor keeps refusing to understand the Bible so he can remain in his errors that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 6, 2014, 5:41 PM
     
 
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