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  1. Are any INC members back here? View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:19 AM
    1. There are. However, they are currently stalled. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:29 AM
      1. It looks like, only tf has the guts to defend the sinking ship. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2014, 4:20 PM
        1. actually he's not defending INC - Karlos on Oct 16, 2014, 6:37 AM
     
  2. "According to the flesh", what does this expression mean? View Thread - Michael on Jul 10, 2014, 2:47 AM
    1. INCquisitor, Tomas, TruthFinder? - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 1:04 AM
    2. In Acts 2:30 and Rom. 1:3, it means that Christ is the biological - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 7:10 PM
      1. Yes Tomas, it means, in relation to or concerning humanity and human nature. - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 3:55 PM
        1. I suppose Paul wrote in Rom. 1:3 'according to the flesh', - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:36 AM
          1. You're right. Is there anything else you suppose that means? - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 1:16 AM
          2. Here's more Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:32 AM
            1. Yes, I agree, I am quite convinced he preexisted before he became a human. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:28 AM
              1. Good for you Tomas. I admire you for being open minded. - Michael on Jul 31, 2014, 3:37 PM
                1. There are several doctrines about the Son which are stated - Tomas on Aug 1, 2014, 11:46 PM
                  1. To know the Father and the Son is eternal life, that is, salvation. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 7:19 AM
                    1. Of course. So we do know the Father and the Son. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 7:17 AM
                      1. Re: Of course. So we do know the Father and the Son. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 6:42 AM
                      2. Yes, we know both of them. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 3:55 AM
                      3. Re: Yes, we know both of them. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 1:32 PM
                      4. Salvation, knowing persons, eternity. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 3:43 PM
    3. Please cite specific verse so we can "compare" with other scriptures. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 5:30 PM
      1. Is there really need for that to know what the expression "according to the flesh" mean? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 1:38 AM
        1. I cited scriptures as you requested. So, tell us what does "according to the flesh" means? - Michael on Aug 1, 2014, 4:01 AM
          1. INCquisitor, still can't answer the simple question, even with cited scriptures? - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 11:45 PM
          2. INCquisitor, show us how you get the meaning by comparing scriptures. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 11:48 PM
          3. This has long been waiting for you INCquisitr. In fact your request here was even served. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:45 AM
    4. INCquisitor, can't you not also answer the simple question at the OP? - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 5:42 AM
      1. Apparently, INCquisitor again is stalled by the simple question. - Michael on Jul 24, 2014, 10:22 AM
    5. UP - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 4:54 AM
     
  3. One needs to be inside the ONE BODY to be reconciled to God View Thread - INCquisitor on Oct 10, 2014, 6:29 PM
    1. The error of this doctrine has already been exposed elsewhere in this board. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 10:22 PM
      1. Re: The error of this doctrine has already been exposed elsewhere in this board. - INCquisitor on Oct 11, 2014, 9:04 AM
        1. Re: The error of this doctrine has already been exposed elsewhere in this board. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 2:11 PM
          1. Re: The error of this doctrine has already been exposed elsewhere in this board. - INCquisitor on Oct 11, 2014, 8:55 PM
            1. Errors upon errors, That's what happens to this FCCC false doctrine. - Michael on Oct 12, 2014, 7:36 AM
              1. Re: Errors upon errors, That's what happens to this FCCC false doctrine. - INCquisitor on Oct 12, 2014, 1:24 PM
                1. Re: Errors upon errors, That's what happens to this FCCC false doctrine. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 12:48 AM
     
  4. Why Christ Built His Church View Thread - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2014, 6:36 AM
    1. Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 9:34 AM
      1. Re: Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2014, 2:25 PM
        1. Re: Too difficult for INCquisitor to weave out verses to explain such a simple question. - Michael on Aug 18, 2014, 1:34 AM
          1. UP FOR INCQUISITOR! - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 3:33 AM
    2. According to scriptures. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 9:39 AM
      1. This is not the primary reason why Christ built his church. - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2014, 3:21 PM
        1. INCqusitor, perhaps you ought to read again what Eph.3 is saying. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 10:14 PM
          1. Re: INCqusitor, perhaps you ought to read again what Eph.3 is saying. - INCquisitor on Aug 20, 2014, 5:08 PM
            1. Good, you now see some truth in the verses I cited in relation to the topic at your OP. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:04 AM
              1. Important correction! Missing word* in CAPS! Sorry about that. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
              2. My apologies to yet another correction. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:47 AM
              3. Re: Good, you now see some truth in the verses I cited in relation to the topic at your OP. - INCquisitor on Sep 21, 2014, 3:00 PM
                1. Re: Good, you now see some truth in the verses I cited in relation to the topic at your OP. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 3:23 AM
    3. More - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 9:44 AM
      1. Re: More - INCquisitor on Aug 17, 2014, 3:16 PM
        1. Re: More - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
          1. Re: More - INCquisitor on Aug 20, 2014, 3:26 PM
            1. Now getting curious INCquisitor? - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 1:00 PM
              1. Re: Now getting curious INCquisitor? - INCquisitor on Sep 21, 2014, 9:53 AM
                1. Re: Now getting curious INCquisitor? - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 1:20 AM
                  1. The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - INCquisitor on Sep 29, 2014, 5:49 PM
                    1. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - Michael on Sep 30, 2014, 4:20 AM
                      1. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - INCquisitor on Sep 30, 2014, 6:27 PM
                      2. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - Michael on Oct 1, 2014, 7:57 AM
                      3. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - INCquisitor on Oct 1, 2014, 7:33 PM
                      4. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - Michael on Oct 2, 2014, 10:32 AM
                      5. Re: The church that Christ built is not a" body of believers." - INCquisitor on Oct 2, 2014, 7:11 PM
                      6. If the church that Christ built is not a" body of believers.", then what is it? - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 2:46 AM
                      7. The church that Christ buit is a "body of disciples." - INCquisitor on Oct 5, 2014, 5:51 PM
                      8. And is firstly, a body of believers. - Michael on Oct 6, 2014, 2:13 PM
                      9. Re: And is firstly, a body of believers. - INCquisitor on Oct 9, 2014, 5:48 PM
                      10. Re: And is firstly, a body of believers. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 5:43 AM
     
  5. How Christ is the MEDIATOR between God and man. View Thread - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 8:22 AM
    1. A comment. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 10:39 AM
      1. Re: A comment. - INCquisitor on Sep 27, 2014, 1:51 PM
        1. Re: A comment. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 5:42 AM
          1. Re: A comment. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 7:07 AM
            1. Re: A comment. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 9:56 AM
              1. Re: A comment. - INCquisitor on Sep 28, 2014, 3:30 PM
                1. Re: A comment. - Michael on Sep 29, 2014, 5:52 AM
     
  6. 2 Cor. 8-9 does not imply in anyway that Christ pre-existed. View Thread - INCquisitor on Jun 1, 2014, 7:24 AM
    1. Sorry, you have terrible interpretation. INCq is distorting meaning of rich. - Dean O'Gowan on Jun 20, 2014, 5:35 AM
      1. Christ did not meet ANY of your definitions of "rich." - INCquisitor on Jun 29, 2014, 5:42 PM
    2. Christ preexisted. And He was rich, prior to becoming poor. - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 10:29 PM
      1. Your post doesn't prove that Christ pre=existed. - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 2014, 3:55 AM
        1. Is that your rebuttal? Saying that does not prove false that Christ preexisted. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 4:07 AM
          1. What you posted does not prove that Christ pre-existed. - INCquisitor on Jul 2, 2014, 4:43 AM
            1. Merely saying that my post does not prove that Christ preexisted is not a rebuttal. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:18 AM
      2. Your post does not prove that Christ pre-existed. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 4:25 AM
        1. That's what you say, and does not refute the truth that Christ existed from eternity. - Michael on Jul 12, 2014, 2:22 PM
          1. You have not proven through ANY verse that Christ pre-existed. - INCquisitor on Jul 12, 2014, 7:23 PM
            1. Re: You have not proven through ANY verse that Christ pre-existed. - Karlos on Jul 12, 2014, 9:58 PM
              1. Let me guess a possible reply Karlos. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 12:34 AM
                1. Re: Let me guess a possible reply Karlos. - Karlos on Jul 13, 2014, 4:46 AM
                  1. Well, he may well find a hard time, but - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 7:38 AM
              2. To answer your question, we have to go back to John 17:12 (TEV). - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 6:54 AM
                1. At least, you believe that the verses are not trash or adulterated. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 8:02 AM
                  1. Re: At least, you believe that the verses are not trash or adulterated. - Karlos on Jul 13, 2014, 8:06 PM
                    1. Confused I guess. Yes INCquisitor did say the Word is God. - Michael on Jul 14, 2014, 12:55 PM
                2. Re: To answer your question, we have to go back to John 17:12 (TEV). - Karlos on Jul 13, 2014, 11:19 PM
                  1. no answer? why? - Karlos on Jul 19, 2014, 12:31 AM
                  2. up - Karlos on Sep 26, 2014, 12:18 AM
            2. Answer the simple questions INCquisitor, or you just can't? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 1:31 AM
              1. Tell me Michael, is Christ "in the form of God" or "in the likeness of men?" - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 8:14 AM
                1. Have you not read Phil. 2:5-8, that you still ask this question? - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 11:16 AM
                  1. Are you saying then that Christ was NEITHER God NOR man? - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 6:41 PM
                    1. No, rather, Christ is both God (Deity) and Man (human). - Michael on Jul 14, 2014, 3:31 PM
                      1. Christ was "rich" in the form of God before he became "poor" in the form of a se - INCquisitor on Jul 15, 2014, 5:45 PM
                      2. What riches did Christ gave up and became poor of, that the Christian may be rich of? - Michael on Jul 16, 2014, 12:43 PM
                      3. Re: What riches did Christ gave up and became poor of, that the Christian may be rich of? - INCquisitor on Sep 25, 2014, 7:10 PM
                      4. Christ gave up riches that the Christian may be rich of it. You apparently don't know. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 8:13 AM
                      5. UP FOR FCCC INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 12:15 AM
     
  7. hey mike..is the baby jesus fake? View Thread - tf on Apr 4, 2014, 10:12 AM
    1. Have you easily forgotten what I said regarding the incarnation of the Son? - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 1:59 PM
      1. so you admit that when jesus is a baby - tf on Apr 6, 2014, 9:22 PM
        1. He is like any human baby, except - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 11:08 PM
          1. was he all powerfull and knowledgeable when he was a baby? - tf on Apr 7, 2014, 1:53 AM
            1. From the very instant He became flesh, he became like one of us, even in infancy. - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 2:21 AM
              1. so you admit now that he has 2 consciouness - tf on Apr 22, 2014, 3:17 AM
                1. No. He is only one person. - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 7:39 AM
                  1. 1 person but 2 consciousness for you - tf on Apr 22, 2014, 6:31 PM
                    1. You got it all wrong TF. One person, 1 consciousness. - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 8:26 PM
                      1. oh really??so where is the all knowledgeable christ when he was a baby? - tf on Apr 23, 2014, 7:54 AM
                      2. Perhaps you will never understand TF. Go to this link and perhaps you'll understand. - Michael on Apr 23, 2014, 1:45 PM
                      3. u cannot evade the issue by showing link.. - tf on Apr 24, 2014, 8:19 AM
                      4. What can I say, if your understanding fails you? Do you know what is incarnation? - Michael on Apr 25, 2014, 1:03 PM
                      5. So to clarify, since he was incarnated, do you admit - Tomas on Apr 25, 2014, 5:31 PM
                      6. Re: So to clarify, since he was incarnated, do you admit - Michael on Apr 29, 2014, 11:43 AM
                      7. If he gave up the exercise of his divine attributes, as you say, - Tomas on May 2, 2014, 10:36 PM
                      8. To not know what happens in the Incarnation would really put one at a lost - Michael on May 15, 2014, 1:45 PM
                      9. Well, the Bible does not say what exactly happened at the incarnation. - Tomas on May 16, 2014, 7:24 PM
                      10. Re: Well, the Bible does not say what exactly happened at the incarnation. - Michael on May 16, 2014, 10:52 PM
                      11. You sure are being dogmatic about so many things, with no scriptural support - Tomas on May 17, 2014, 10:09 AM
                      12. Re: You sure are being dogmatic about so many things, with no scriptural support - Michael on May 18, 2014, 9:30 AM
                      13. Maybe it's a matter of semantics, about his attributes. - Tomas on May 24, 2014, 2:31 AM
                      14. Re: Maybe it's a matter of semantics, about his attributes. - Michael on May 27, 2014, 9:39 PM
                      15. Whatever, the Bible does not say if Jesus still had the attributes. - Tomas on May 30, 2014, 8:39 PM
                      16. Re: Whatever, the Bible does not say if Jesus still had the attributes. - Michael on Jun 22, 2014, 8:17 PM
                      17. Anyway, Jesus could be the Archangel, and he could be God at the same time. - Tomas on Jun 28, 2014, 3:45 AM
                      18. If that were so, then you make God to being an angel to just about anything you want - Michael on Jun 29, 2014, 2:37 AM
                      19. Not an angel. Only maybe the Archangel. Maybe - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 3:22 AM
                      20. Well then, you worship a creature in addition to God, as you say. I worship only God. - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 5:49 AM
                      21. OK, I might worship a creature in addition to God, but that creature - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 8:06 PM
                      22. Quite a stand and belief you got there, worshiping a creature in addition to the Creator. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 7:29 AM
                      23. Michael, you say that worship of a creature is idolatry. Do you q - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 12:21 AM
                      24. Where in the "word of the Lord" does it say that... - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 2014, 6:12 AM
                      25. "divine" Jesus incarnated into the "human" Jesus? Where did you get that INCQUIS - Michael on Jul 6, 2014, 9:59 AM
                      26. Re: "divine" Jesus incarnated into the "human" Jesus? Where did you get that INC - tf on Sep 12, 2014, 3:58 AM
                      27. Incarnation - Inhinyero on Sep 12, 2014, 9:28 AM
                      28. incarnation is a pagan incention my engineer friend - tf on Sep 24, 2014, 3:07 AM
                      29. Pagan in origin - Inhinyero on Sep 24, 2014, 3:31 PM
                2. two will of Christ..one divine and human.... - inhinyero on Aug 27, 2014, 4:10 PM
                  1. May I ask you. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 2:05 AM
                    1. Nature and persons: - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:22 PM
                      1. So, you believe Christ is only one person, not two, right? - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 10:00 PM
                      2. two wills but one person - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 10:13 AM
                      3. Inhinyero, my comments. - Michael on Aug 29, 2014, 12:30 PM
                      4. My response, Michael.... - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 1:44 PM
                      5. Re: My response, Michael.... - Michael on Aug 30, 2014, 1:15 PM
                      6. Response to Michael 2.... - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 2:12 PM
                      7. Re: Response to Michael 2.... - Michael on Aug 30, 2014, 12:33 PM
                      8. Two wills=two persons? - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 10:30 AM
                      9. Re: Two wills=two persons? - Michael on Aug 29, 2014, 1:38 PM
                      10. two wills=two persons - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 1:59 PM
                      11. Re: two wills=two persons - Michael on Aug 30, 2014, 11:56 AM
                      12. Scripture and Authority - inhinyero on Aug 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
                      13. Re: Scripture and Authority - Michael on Aug 29, 2014, 2:48 PM
                      14. Scripture and authority..Micheal - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 9:57 AM
                      15. Scripture and Authority.....INHINYERO - Michael on Aug 31, 2014, 1:53 AM
                      16. Scripture and authority..Micheal part 2 - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:06 AM
                      17. Scripture and Authority......INHINYERO part 2 - Michael on Aug 31, 2014, 3:27 AM
                      18. 1Cor 4:6 beyond what is written - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:12 AM
                      19. But verse 6 does not say "written in those verses". - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:58 AM
                      20. go beyond what is written in the Bible. - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 11:41 AM
                      21. It does not ban anything written in the Bible after 1 Cor. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 1:03 PM
                      22. 1Cor..beyond what is written.... - inhiyero on Sep 2, 2014, 12:36 PM
                      23. 1 Tim. etc. were written in the Bible, even though - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 1:23 AM
                      24. Re: 1Cor 4:6 beyond what is written - Michael on Aug 31, 2014, 5:38 AM
                      25. 1Cor 4: 6 - inhiyero on Sep 2, 2014, 12:43 PM
                      26. Re: 1Cor 4: 6 - Michael on Sep 3, 2014, 6:55 AM
                      27. 1Cor 4...2nd part - inhiyero on Sep 2, 2014, 12:48 PM
                      28. Re: 1Cor 4...2nd part - Michael on Sep 3, 2014, 7:25 AM
                      29. Michael...1cor4...does not refer to Scripture - inhinyero on Sep 4, 2014, 1:29 PM
                      30. INHINYERO, it does. - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 10:21 AM
                      31. Michael..re: 1Cor4:16...does not prove what you want it to say - inhenyero on Sep 11, 2014, 1:02 PM
                      32. INHINYERO.. on 1 Cor.4:16. You seem to have not answered my questions. Please do so. - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 11:53 AM
                      33. On the Gospel of Mark.... - inhenyero on Sep 11, 2014, 1:12 PM
                      34. Re: On the Gospel of Mark.... - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 1:29 AM
                      35. On Sacred Tradition - inhenyero on Sep 11, 2014, 1:33 PM
                      36. Re: On Sacred Tradition - Michael on Sep 27, 2014, 11:19 PM
                      37. False Prophets..how to identify them? - Inhinyero on Sep 11, 2014, 1:40 PM
                      38. All who claim to be prophets today are false prophets, - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 1:47 AM
                      39. False Prophets..how to identify them? - Inhinyero on Sep 17, 2014, 8:02 AM
                      40. My answers: - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:27 AM
                      41. Re: False Prophets..how to identify them? - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 3:59 AM
      2. Where did you get what you are saying? - INCquisitor on Jul 6, 2014, 6:05 AM
    2. the baby christ of michael is apparantly aLL KNOWING - tf on May 15, 2014, 1:34 AM
      1. Your understanding of what I'm saying is wrong. Read again and comprehend. - Michael on May 15, 2014, 1:51 PM
      2. he is actually the one not understanding his doctrine - tf on May 16, 2014, 6:01 AM
        1. paradox of baby jesus as God - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:35 PM
    3. mike..ran away from this thread huh - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 3:44 AM
      1. Of course not TF, I'm not like you. - Michael on Aug 27, 2014, 8:37 AM
      2. so the baby christ alredy has full wisdom accdg toike - tf on Aug 27, 2014, 8:35 PM
        1. Your comprehension fails you TF. Quit accusing wrongly. It's what crucified Christ. - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 1:14 AM
          1. so you understand how the baby jesus hid his wisdom and remaining an omnipotent God - tf on Sep 24, 2014, 3:05 AM
            1. Obviously you are not enabled to understand TF. Start with the Spirit, not with the flesh. - Michael on Sep 28, 2014, 4:08 AM
        2. Chris is God - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:30 PM
          1. Of course you could be right, that Christ is God, - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 9:50 AM
            1. Christ it God - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 10:24 AM
              1. I thought I made myself clear I am not in INC, when - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 11:27 AM
                1. Not INC - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 11:44 AM
                  1. Not JW, they too are too dogmatic that Christ is not God. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 1:16 PM
                2. Sola Scriptura contradiction. - inhinyero on Aug 30, 2014, 11:47 AM
                  1. Read the post above, where I defend sola sciptura. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 1:23 PM
                    1. 1 cor 4:6 proves SS? - inhiyero on Sep 2, 2014, 12:51 PM
                      1. 1 Cor. 3:18-20 is not saying that worldly wisdom is what is written. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:03 AM
                      2. 1Cor3:18 - Inhinyero on Sep 17, 2014, 8:08 AM
                      3. You were giving verses in 1 Cor. about what is written. - Tomas on Sep 27, 2014, 2:41 AM
          2. while you say that Christ chooses to hide his wisdom while he is a baby - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:16 PM
     
  8. Ask yourself. View Thread - Michael on Jun 15, 2014, 8:38 PM
    1. My answers: - Tomas on Jun 21, 2014, 8:17 AM
      1. Re: My answers: - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 5:01 AM
        1. Re: My answers: - tf on Jul 2, 2014, 10:46 PM
          1. Go back to the post and answer properly. There are four questions, in case you don't know. - Michael on Jul 2, 2014, 11:15 PM
            1. I higlighted those two so far - tf on Jul 3, 2014, 1:23 AM
              1. Elucidate? Answer each questions, and I'll be most willing to comment after. - Michael on Jul 3, 2014, 11:28 AM
        2. Michael, I disagree mainly concerning your answer - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 2:20 AM
          1. How about the rest of my answers Tomas? - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 2:38 PM
            1. In verse 15, the name he was referring to, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 9:01 PM
              1. 'I AM has sent me to you.' - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 9:55 PM
                1. OK, when God said "I WILL BE has sent me to you", - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:28 AM
                  1. God's answer is plain, direct, and clear. No need to explain by speculation. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 3:57 AM
                    1. It has to be explained to make the Bible harmonize. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 2:58 AM
                      1. Of course Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 11:15 AM
                      2. Yes, his name represents what he is. So he will - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 1:35 AM
                      3. Not calling God by the name YHWH does not mean that it ceased to be His name. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 7:49 AM
                      4. OK, so you agree with INC on this doctrine. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:52 AM
                      5. I am not aware of INC having this stand. It doesn't matter anyway. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 11:51 AM
                      6. Yes, that is what the minister one time was telling me. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 12:05 PM
                      7. Nonetheless, who is YHWH? - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 12:43 PM
                      8. YHWH is the Father. At least that was his former name. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 7:02 AM
                      9. For you Tomas perhaps. Obviously not for the Jews. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 4:21 AM
                      10. The Jews also believe YHWH is the Father. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:24 PM
                      11. "Father" in the sense that YHWH is the creator of all things. - Michael on Sep 2, 2014, 7:40 AM
                      12. But also in the sense of fatherhood. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 11:36 AM
            2. Concerning your other 3 answers, I generally agree with you. - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 9:07 PM
              1. I'm glad you do. - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 10:15 PM
                1. That last sentence of yours makes no sense. - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:34 AM
                  1. Makes no sense to you Tomas, I see. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 10:24 PM
                    1. You're right, Michael, Tomas doesn't understand Trinity. If he would, he would have never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 21, 2014, 7:48 AM
                      1. I understand a huge amount about trinity, I have read - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:16 AM
                      2. Good that we can agree on something. Now do the next logical step and believe in it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 9:38 AM
                      3. God does not confuse me or you or INC members. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 1:43 AM
                      4. As long as the devil clouds your mind with your false personal doctrine: " We are not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Aug 2, 2014, 10:28 AM
                      5. Sorry, that doctrine is not from the devil but directly - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 10:31 AM
                    2. OK, Michael, you have explained what you really meant. - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:07 AM
                      1. There is no room for possibilities or uncertainties when it comes to having faith. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 8:35 AM
                      2. Oh yes, there is. When the devil is reigning over you, there is! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 26, 2014, 9:40 AM
                      3. Michael, I have faith in what the Bible tells us for certain. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 2:46 AM
                      4. Well Tomas, that is not just what shows in your posts. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 11:22 PM
                      5. It does show in my posts, even if you don't think so. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:31 AM
                      6. As you say so Tomas. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 12:41 PM
                      7. Yes, I do. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:59 AM
                      8. You do Tomas? - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 4:10 AM
                      9. Yes. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:53 PM
                2. Please explsin. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 2014, 6:33 AM
                  1. There is nothing to explain here INCQUISITOR. - Michael on Aug 10, 2014, 9:52 AM
        3. Re: My answers: - INCquisitor on Aug 2, 2014, 6:13 PM
          1. My comments on your answers INCquisitor. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 7:21 AM
            1. Re: My comments on your answers INCquisitor. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 2014, 5:12 AM
              1. INCQUISTOR, why do you openly lie about Acts 2:36? - Michael on Aug 10, 2014, 11:17 AM
                1. I didn't lie about Acts 2:36. Peter preached what he learned from Jesus. - INCquisitor on Aug 10, 2014, 3:06 PM
                  1. Apparently you did INCquisitor. - Michael on Aug 13, 2014, 11:47 AM
     
  9. What's the difference between an adopted son and begotten Son of God? View Thread - Michael on Jun 30, 2014, 11:25 AM
    1. The begotten son has authority over adopted sons - INCquisitor on Jun 30, 2014, 4:52 PM
      1. You missed the question altogether INCQUISITOR. Try again. - Michael on Jun 30, 2014, 9:59 PM
        1. Because that's not the response you want to hear. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 4:29 AM
          1. Re: Because that's not the response you want to hear. - Nelson C. Vidal, Jr. on Jul 1, 2014, 6:40 PM
          2. INCQUISITOR don't know the difference between a begotten and an adopted son? No wonder. - Michael on Jul 1, 2014, 9:37 PM
    2. IncQ, this will help you answer intelligently. Can you beget a dog? - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 1, 2014, 12:13 PM
      1. Colonel Blood-Dish, a little credit my way for presenting your Example would be nice. LOL - Oberst Ozzy Osborn on Jul 1, 2014, 4:32 PM
      2. There is no doubt that Jesus is the only begotten son of God. - INCquisitor on Jul 1, 2014, 6:25 PM
      3. IncQ cannot answer if he can beget a dog. IncQ cannot answer this. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 2, 2014, 8:28 AM
        1. I can't beget a dog, but God can, if he wants to. - Tomas on Jul 5, 2014, 3:28 AM
          1. Seriously? - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 1:01 PM
            1. Did God promise never to beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 9:09 PM
              1. Again, seriously? - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 9:46 PM
                1. Yes, do you have a verse that God will never beget a dog? - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:37 AM
                  1. None. Apparently you seriously believe that God can beget a dog. Really weird. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 6:53 AM
                    1. You claim that what is begotten of God, necessarily has the same nature - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:20 AM
                      1. Yes, I do Tomas. - Michael on Jul 26, 2014, 10:57 AM
                      2. But the Bible does not say even that nothing can come forth from Deity - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 1:07 AM
                      3. Well then Tomas, I'll just have to leave it that your God can beget a dog or whatever. - Michael on Aug 3, 2014, 9:38 AM
                      4. My God and your God, the biblical God, that we both believe in. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 8:55 AM
                      5. But Tomas, it's not about what He wants, but is about what is begotten of God. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 9:27 AM
                      6. Maybe he never does and never will. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 9:36 AM
                      7. He never can and never does Tomas. - Michael on Aug 10, 2014, 8:42 PM
                      8. OK, he cannot beget a male dog, because otherwise - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:11 AM
                      9. Yes, Tomas, that is who your God is. One who can beget even dogs. - Michael on Aug 17, 2014, 12:05 AM
                      10. Maybe he can't, but the Bible does not say he can't. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 7:44 PM
      4. Jesus tells me he is a MAN (John 8:40) and the Father is the ONLY true God (John 17:3). - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 8:52 AM
        1. So, INCquisitor, you admit you don't know what it means to a begotten & be an adopted. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 9:30 PM
    3. How about you Tomas, what is your answer to the OP? - Michael on Jul 5, 2014, 1:55 PM
      1. The begotten Son of God was biologically begotten by God - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 9:14 PM
        1. Jesus, biologically begotten by God? How was that? - Michael on Jul 11, 2014, 9:50 PM
          1. I guess God put in Mary some sperm of his, to fertilize - Tomas on Jul 19, 2014, 1:43 AM
            1. God's sperm? Certainly weird! God has sperm? WOW. What weird thoughts you got there. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 7:44 AM
              1. So maybe not a sperm, but you have to acknowledge - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 3:33 AM
                1. Certainly and not maybe, Tomas. - Michael on Jul 30, 2014, 1:24 AM
                  1. That might all be true, but you have not proven it was not God's sperm. - Tomas on Aug 2, 2014, 1:18 AM
                    1. Tomas, it's not that it might be true, rather it is the truth. - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 1:27 AM
                      1. You can think what you want, it's your thing. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 9:31 AM
                      2. Right Tomas. I think about what scriptures say and not speculate on what it does not say. - Michael on Aug 14, 2014, 1:56 AM
                      3. So why speculate it was not a sperm? - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 6:19 AM
                      4. I'm not speculating Tomas. It is you who speculated about a sperm. - Michael on Aug 20, 2014, 7:20 AM
                      5. OK, you have a point there. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 8:22 PM
                      6. Re: OK, you have a point there. - Michael on Sep 5, 2014, 12:28 PM
                      7. OK, I went to that link. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 5:31 AM
     
  10. truth no.1 The Great God is the Father alone View Thread - truthfinder on Apr 3, 2014, 3:24 AM
    1. God's scriptures says the One Great God is the Father of Jesus Christ. - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 8:57 PM
      1. ahhh romans 9:5 you use to contradict the other verses - truthfinder on Apr 3, 2014, 9:41 PM
        1. No. I cited it because it is scriptures. - Michael on Apr 3, 2014, 10:58 PM
          1. ohh ok let's us consult a greek scholar..a trinitarian - truthfinder on Apr 4, 2014, 2:55 AM
            1. You agree with R.S. Frank in this. Yet, you don't agree in his belief that Christ is God. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 8:07 AM
              1. that shows how weak is your evidwnce...why dont you refute him. - tf on Apr 4, 2014, 9:56 AM
                1. He is only one among the many trinitarian scholars. He is not all of trinitarians. - Michael on Apr 4, 2014, 10:46 PM
                  1. there are other svholars you know..all trinitarians - tf on Apr 7, 2014, 1:52 AM
                    1. So what TF? Don't INC have FYM's teaching on Romans 9:5? - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 2:32 AM
                    2. this is proof that your assertions about that verse is nit reliable - tf on Apr 22, 2014, 2:53 AM
                      1. So there is no FYM teaching on this. So you have no refutation to offer. - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 7:43 AM
                      2. hmmm - tf on Apr 22, 2014, 6:17 PM
                      3. Obviously, this is not FYM's take on the verse, - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 11:10 PM
                      4. so u r better than ur scholars? - tf on Apr 23, 2014, 7:52 AM
                      5. Post FYM's teaching if there is. Quote FYM, and not from scholars you allege as evil. - Michael on Apr 23, 2014, 1:51 PM
                      6. just admit you are wrong even your fellow trinitarians - tf on Apr 24, 2014, 8:21 AM
                      7. So there is no FYM teaching on this. So you have no refutation to offer. - Michael on Apr 24, 2014, 11:46 AM
                      8. why dont you refute the trinitarian scholars? - tf on Apr 25, 2014, 5:50 AM
                      9. Why bother yourself with that TF? What you must do is . . . - Michael on Apr 25, 2014, 12:38 PM
                      10. so your problem is?? - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:24 PM
    2. care to tefute mike - tf on Apr 6, 2014, 9:18 PM
      1. Done already. Have you not read my first response post TF? - Michael on Apr 6, 2014, 11:37 PM
        1. dont play with words my friend..the bible is very clear - tf on Apr 7, 2014, 1:47 AM
          1. If you don't know the difference TF, how can the Bible be clear to you? - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 2:36 AM
            1. if you are not trinitarian since u r a baby - tf on Apr 22, 2014, 2:55 AM
              1. Apparently you affirmed you don't know the difference. - Michael on Apr 22, 2014, 7:51 AM
                1. no philoeophy christ clearly teaches that we recognize his father as the only true.. - tf on Apr 24, 2014, 8:23 AM
                  1. His Father as the only true God, but not necessarily his Father alone - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 2:26 AM
     
 
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