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  1. Blessed are the peacemakers View Thread - tumpak on May 1, 9:35 AM
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  3. The angel in Rev. 7:2 refers to Jesus - NOT Felix Y. Manalo! View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 7, 4:24 AM
    1. Rev. 7:1-3 is a flashback to the day God SENT Jesus - INCquisitor on Apr 7, 4:27 AM
      1. do when you got expellef from inc.. - obdervet on Apr 7, 7:27 PM
        1. Please clarify what you mean. - INCquisitor on Apr 10, 4:12 AM
      2. up - INCquisitor on May 1, 3:26 AM
    2. up - INCquisitor on Apr 13, 4:27 PM
    3. up - INCquisitor on Apr 16, 6:27 PM
     
  4. Non-Catholics lack faith in Jesus. They think their church can do better than his church. View Thread - DeanO'Gowan on May 23, 7:00 PM
    1. Bored, your JW minister did not teach you the effects of original sin. - DeanO'Gowan on May 25, 7:46 AM
    2. INCquisitor, which is the true church to you? - DeanO'Gowan on May 25, 8:31 PM
    3. Bored and INCquisitors, Jehovah Witnesses. Founded by Charles Taze Russell. - DeanO'Gowan on May 26, 7:47 AM
      1. Jehovah's Witnesses were founded by Rutherford, who - Tomas on May 27, 4:59 AM
      2. Regarding Russell, the JWs and His Wife - Ronald Day on Apr 25, 6:00 PM
        1. That verse in Rev. 22:20 is not the only prayer addressed to Jesus. - Tomas on Apr 25, 6:35 PM
    4. Jesus Christ clearly says HE is the way, not some false man made cult - Jason on May 26, 12:19 PM
      1. RCC also follows Jesus, even though they do have - Tomas on May 27, 5:02 AM
     
  5. according to mike he does not worship christ.. View Thread - tf on Apr 2, 11:42 AM
    1. Another headline Lie of TF. I can't understand why you take things personal. - Michael on Apr 2, 12:51 PM
      1. do I need to quote you? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 4:06 AM
        1. Yes please do quote me, so I can see for myself. - Michael on Apr 4, 7:36 AM
          1. ok - tf on Apr 4, 10:06 AM
            1. Read it carefully, your question and my answer. So I am right, TF LIED. - Michael on Apr 4, 3:15 PM
              1. see you dont wprship christ - tf on Apr 6, 9:20 PM
                1. How blind can you be? How is it that your understanding fails you? - Michael on Apr 6, 11:27 PM
                  1. you said no - tf on Apr 7, 1:51 AM
                    1. TF, do you worship Christ's human nature? - Michael on Apr 22, 2:40 AM
                      1. wr do worship the exalted man who is christ.. - tf on Apr 25, 5:53 AM
                      2. TF, the question is, do you worship CHRIST'S HUMAN NATURE? - Michael on Apr 25, 12:32 PM
     
  6. michael's misunderstood verses explained by the bible View Thread - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:34 AM
    1. Isaiah 7:14..God is with us - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:35 AM
      1. Re: Isaiah 7:14..God is with us - Michael on Apr 16, 2:10 AM
        1. how do we understand isa 7:14 - tf on Apr 21, 2:44 AM
    2. Isaiah 9:6... the name mighty god - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:36 AM
      1. Re: Isaiah 9:6... the name mighty god - Michael on Apr 18, 3:58 PM
    3. Roman 9:5..God who is over all be blessed - truthfinder on Apr 7, 2:39 AM
    4. Genesis 1:26 . 'Let us make man in our image' - truthfinder on Apr 8, 2:39 AM
    5. 1 JOHN 5:7 The Johannine Comma dilemna - truthfinder on Apr 8, 2:58 AM
      1. care to refute mike my friend - tf on Apr 24, 8:28 AM
     
  7. mikey..is the son equal in power and authority with the fathet? View Thread - tf on Apr 2, 12:43 AM
    1. Of course. - Michael on Apr 2, 11:58 AM
      1. double speak again... - tf on Apr 3, 5:33 AM
        1. Read again. And carefully this time, and understand what it is I say. - Michael on Apr 3, 9:44 AM
          1. so his human nature retain all this godly mega powers - tf on Apr 3, 8:55 PM
            1. NO. Do you fail to understand now TF? - Michael on Apr 3, 9:10 PM
              1. so his human nature do not have any Godly power at all - truthfinder on Apr 3, 9:35 PM
                1. Yes. Just as any man has no supernatural Godly powers in his humanity. - Michael on Apr 3, 9:43 PM
                  1. so that means he gave up his power when he became man right? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 3:02 AM
                    1. NO TF. Now, your understanding really always fail you. - Michael on Apr 4, 7:47 AM
                      1. whatvdo you mean by restricts.. - tf on Apr 4, 10:00 AM
                      2. To restrain within bounds; to limit; to confine. - Michael on Apr 23, 1:41 PM
                      3. so there was a time for you that only two persons - tf on Apr 24, 8:25 AM
     
  8. Who do you say is the virgin Mary's Savior? View Thread - Michael on Mar 29, 3:18 AM
    1. Yes, Jesus had to save her by dying for her sins, she was not sinless, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2:01 PM
      1. The bible did not exempt anyone from sinning. - Konrad on Mar 29, 4:34 PM
        1. The verses that say all sinned, have to be understood in light of the verses - Tomas on Apr 4, 10:19 PM
      2. Is Jesus your answer then, as in, Mary's savior is Jesus? - Michael on Mar 29, 7:34 PM
        1. Yes, Jesus was sent by the Father to be Mary's savior. - Tomas on Apr 4, 10:25 PM
          1. You saying this, means you now believe that Jesus is not a person of God. - Michael on Apr 5, 1:16 AM
            1. No, I did not say that nor imply that. - Tomas on Apr 5, 1:35 AM
    2. UP for TF - Michael on Mar 30, 9:39 AM
    3. Mary certainly knows who her Savior is, God. - Michael on Apr 1, 9:44 PM
      1. mother and son..knows that their saviour is god - tf on Apr 2, 11:47 AM
        1. Only sinners needed a Savior TF. The Son is Holy and sinless. In fact, He is the Savior. - Michael on Apr 2, 12:08 PM
          1. so Who do you think saved Christ and mary from Egypt? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 4:08 AM
            1. The salvation referred to here is that from the lake of fire, - Michael on Apr 4, 7:33 AM
              1. the fact is..christ rely on the father his god - tf on Apr 4, 10:10 AM
                1. The question on this thread is, who is Mary's Savior? Don't you know? - Michael on Apr 4, 2:02 PM
                  1. the point is..christ is just like mary who needs god - tf on Apr 6, 9:25 PM
                    1. But my point is, your point does not answer the question. - Michael on Apr 6, 11:16 PM
                      1. thr whole point is that chrust cannot be god just as mary - tf on Apr 7, 1:56 AM
                      2. Again, that is not the point of the question at the OP, TF. Why evade? - Michael on Apr 22, 2:25 AM
     
  9. A concern and question for INC angel, FYM, and Ministers : Who is Jesus Christ? View Thread - Michael on Mar 17, 5:05 PM
    1. do more research boy.. - tf on Mar 18, 1:49 AM
      1. Go to the original Greek, if you don't like the versions I cited. - Michael on Mar 18, 2:13 AM
        1. do u know how many original greeks ancient texts have? - tf on Mar 18, 2:32 AM
          1. INCers really know how to evade. I'm convinced. - Michael on Mar 18, 2:36 PM
            1. its the scholars who made the conclusion not us.. - tf on Mar 18, 5:04 PM
              1. Then show me the Nestle -Aland. text of John 1:18 that INC use as basis and not deviate. - Michael on Mar 18, 8:41 PM
                1. so begotten son is wrong and begotten god is the correct one? - truthfinder on Mar 19, 3:00 AM
                  1. I take "monogenes Theos" as the original Greek text - Michael on Mar 19, 2:53 PM
                    1. early church fathers quote begotten son you know - tf on Mar 19, 5:57 PM
                      1. The best evidence are the scriptures itself. - Michael on Mar 19, 8:49 PM
                      2. so how did begotten son conradictbthe rest of thebscriptures? - tf on Mar 20, 2:29 AM
                      3. "Begotten Son" is scriptures, and does not contradict scriptures. - Michael on Mar 20, 9:48 AM
                      4. those church fathet spouses.christ is gof - tf on Mar 22, 2:51 AM
                      5. If the church fathers you say aren't INC, why do you bother at all? - Michael on Mar 22, 9:37 AM
                      6. the point is... - tf on Mar 23, 10:32 PM
                      7. In that case, everything else is and can be doubtful. And I didn't even translate. - Michael on Mar 24, 1:12 AM
                      8. your best evidence violates all the other scriptures , - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:52 AM
                      9. Truth of anything does not depend on constancy and frequency of being told or written. - Michael on Mar 25, 5:26 AM
                      10. earliest surviving text does not mean the mostnreliable.. - tf on Mar 26, 3:12 AM
                      11. It may not, but it's the one with the highest probability of having the original text - Michael on Mar 26, 11:48 PM
                      12. your faith is based on probability?? - tf on Mar 27, 3:40 AM
                      13. We are not even talking about faith here. Why this deviation? - Michael on Mar 27, 5:14 AM
                      14. that is your faith in john 1:18 - tf on Mar 27, 11:57 AM
                      15. Faith in John 1:18? Seems that you don't know what faith is. - Michael on Mar 28, 12:01 AM
                      16. your doctrine where your faith is based must be sure - tf on Mar 28, 1:18 AM
                      17. Faith is not based on a single or a few Bible verse. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:12 AM
                      18. your direct evidence of your faith is based in probability only as you admitted.. - tf on Mar 30, 12:12 AM
                      19. your direct evidence of your faith is based in probability only as you admitted.. - tf on Mar 30, 12:12 AM
                      20. And you don't refute the fact that your Lamsa Acts 20:28 text is a highly improbable text. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:24 AM
                      21. If that is all you have to say, I think this is all senseless and worthless. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:26 AM
                      22. acts 20:28 is sure for us - tf on Mar 30, 1:31 AM
                      23. Yes, for you, I understand. Very well then, a new thread for that coming up. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:34 AM
    2. tf, if only you had some brains between your ears, you will know the Son of God is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 6:26 AM
      1. i dont have a brain that small - tf on Mar 19, 5:59 PM
        1. Where can we see that in scriptures that sonship was a right granted by God to Christ? - Michael on Mar 19, 8:52 PM
          1. so many - tf on Mar 20, 2:59 AM
          2. so many - tf on Mar 20, 2:59 AM
          3. so many - tf on Mar 20, 3:00 AM
            1. Not one you cited can we see that sonship was a right granted by God to Christ. - Michael on Mar 20, 9:20 AM
              1. you are right the son is begotten - tf on Mar 22, 3:11 AM
                1. believe you logic then. Have in your logic then TF, - Michael on Mar 22, 9:40 AM
                2. Believe in your logic then TF. Base your faith in your logic then TF. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:42 AM
                  1. so how can god be begotten? - tf on Mar 23, 10:43 PM
                    1. Perhaps INC really don't know what a begotten son is. I thought you said FYM knows all. - Michael on Mar 24, 1:17 AM
                      1. what does begotten mean to you then? - TF on Mar 24, 3:27 AM
                      2. Very well then. - Michael on Mar 24, 6:06 AM
                      3. you merely cited two verses that does not even support your explanation - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:56 AM
                      4. So you don't refute my answer to your question what "begotten" mean, instead - Michael on Mar 25, 6:38 AM
                      5. u have not cited any verse my friend - tf on Mar 26, 3:16 AM
                      6. Oh. Here, let me try to satisfy you then. - Michael on Mar 26, 9:27 PM
                      7. please strip your explanations and circumventions , that is not required - truthfinder on Mar 26, 10:04 PM
                      8. I'm pretty tired of what you want me to do. Do some work, will you? - Michael on Mar 27, 1:27 AM
                      9. here are your reference verses - tf on Mar 27, 3:43 AM
                      10. Again. Read and open your eyes, and not just hastily comment. - Michael on Mar 27, 6:57 AM
                      11. i dont need your ambigous self explanation.. - tf on Mar 27, 12:02 PM
                      12. Seems like you now resort to ambiguity tactic. - Michael on Mar 28, 12:08 AM
                      13. i don't need to explain it, i do understand it in the context of the bible - tf on Mar 28, 2:59 AM
                      14. And certainly you don't even know what "monogenes" means. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:24 AM
                      15. Actually it turns out Greek scholars disagree on what monogenes means. - Tomas on Mar 28, 6:31 PM
                      16. You are right Tomas. - Michael on Mar 28, 7:07 PM
                      17. You are now assuming the word monogenes has two different meanings. But - Tomas on Mar 28, 7:46 PM
                      18. I'm not saying that it has two meanings. - Michael on Mar 28, 8:36 PM
                      19. OK then, I misunderstood, sorry. But what I am saying is - Tomas on Mar 28, 9:24 PM
                      20. Re: OK then, I misunderstood, sorry. But what I am saying is - Michael on Mar 29, 8:41 PM
                      21. But now you are saying the word monogenes has all these meanings. - Tomas on Apr 4, 11:37 PM
                      22. What I mean is this. - Michael on Apr 5, 1:25 PM
                      23. Well, I disagree, the word did not have all these meanings, with different emphases - Tomas on Apr 12, 1:27 AM
                      24. Re: Well, I disagree, the word did not have all these meanings, with different emphases - Michael on Apr 18, 11:43 AM
                      25. OK, so far linguists found monogenes only in sentences where - Tomas on Apr 18, 11:36 PM
                      26. One will never run put of speculations and "ifs", that I'm sure. - Michael on Apr 19, 5:06 AM
                      27. It would be totally wrong to exaggerate Bible problems. - Tomas on Apr 19, 9:54 AM
    3. Thje words of Jesus written in John 8:40 and John 17:3 PREVAIL - INCquisitor on Mar 21, 3:58 PM
      1. All of scripture is true. God's words prevails. - Michael on Mar 21, 4:26 PM
        1. very weak evidence..tsk tsk - tf on Mar 22, 3:05 AM
          1. You can't refute the verse. That's just it. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:46 AM
            1. hmm - tf on Mar 27, 4:06 AM
        2. very weak evidence..tsk tsk - tf on Mar 22, 3:13 AM
          1. Credible translations? P66 and P75 are not even translations. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:49 AM
            1. the oldest surviving manuscript..but it's stll hundreds of years way off .. - tf on Mar 30, 12:09 AM
              1. Nothing new. All but is mere repetition. Do you have anything better and new to say? - Michael on Mar 30, 1:29 AM
              2. Here's a new one. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:32 AM
        3. The problem with Trinitarians is...... - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 7:25 AM
          1. No problem at all. The problem is u believe otherwise though not able to refute scriptures - Michael on Mar 22, 9:51 AM
        4. Which came first, the KJV or the P66 and P75? - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 1:59 PM
          1. Not comparable. KJV is a translation, while P66 and P75 are ancient Greek manuscripts - Michael on Mar 23, 6:41 PM
            1. scholars already vomcludede that ur evidenve is questionable - tf on Mar 23, 10:45 PM
              1. Everything else then is questionable, for there are always those, scholars, - Michael on Mar 24, 1:37 AM
                1. who told you that P66 etc is the best? - TF on Mar 24, 3:25 AM
                  1. Have I not told you why I take P66 and P75 as the best evidence? - Michael on Mar 24, 7:42 AM
                    1. can you cite me an objective greek scholar not you - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:57 AM
                      1. Why would you want me to do that? Perhaps you should do that instead. - Michael on Mar 25, 6:56 AM
                      2. so u have no roog other than your own conviction? - tf on Mar 26, 3:15 AM
                      3. I respect one's conviction. But anyone's conviction is not necessarily mine. - Michael on Mar 26, 3:11 PM
                      4. your conviction is based on your opinion - truthfinder on Mar 26, 10:05 PM
                      5. What? Really , how weird can you get? - Michael on Mar 27, 7:09 AM
                      6. your evidence is being admitted by scolarsto be doubftul - tf on Mar 28, 1:20 AM
                      7. If that's all you have to say, then basically you can't refute no more. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:27 AM
                      8. that is the truth as concluded by scholars ,,your evidence is questionable - tf on Mar 30, 12:17 AM
                      9. So be it for you then. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:33 AM
            2. Re: Not comparable. KJV is a translation, while P66 and P75 are ancient Greek manuscripts - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 7:36 AM
              1. Thank you. I thought you will go again with your usual John 8:40 and John 17:3 tactic. - Michael on Mar 25, 10:35 AM
                1. Your research is biased.toward a FALSE doctrine. - INCquisitor on Mar 26, 4:37 PM
                  1. That's what you say. But I don't do research with prejudice. - Michael on Mar 26, 8:19 PM
                    1. Between John 17:3 and John 1:18, I believe John 17:3 more.... - INCquisitor on Mar 28, 4:53 AM
                      1. That's fine. But that is not simply the issue here. Why do you always divert the issue? - Michael on Mar 28, 12:04 PM
                      2. Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 6:33 AM
                      3. Re: Childish reasoning! - Michael on Apr 16, 11:51 AM
                      4. Re: Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 18, 8:24 PM
                      5. Re: Childish reasoning! - Michael on Apr 18, 11:41 PM
                      6. Re: Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 19, 7:43 PM
     
  10. Jesus Christ: the Son of God View Thread - tf on Apr 10, 11:09 AM
    1. tf, there is no dispute that Jesus is man. Just like there is no dispute that Obama is man - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 11, 8:35 PM
      1. Where do you see in the Bible that Jesus was begotten in eternity? - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:02 PM
      2. Dean, don't try to convince the ignorant and clueless with logic. They will never get it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 16, 9:22 AM
        1. So you agree with me, that even if Jesus preexisted, he was not begotten - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:42 AM
    2. What you say is NOT what the Bible says. - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2:48 PM
    3. Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began. Therefore He existed before the - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 2:04 PM
      1. That could be, that he was created before the world began, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:38 AM
     
  11. Is there ANY version of Romans 16:16 which says "churches of God?" View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 18, 6:32 PM
    1. I am not aware of any Greek manuscript that said in Rom. 16:16 - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:25 AM
     
 
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