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  1. Who do you say is the virgin Mary's Savior? View Thread - Michael on Mar 29, 3:18 AM
    1. Yes, Jesus had to save her by dying for her sins, she was not sinless, - Tomas on Mar 29, 2:01 PM
      1. The bible did not exempt anyone from sinning. - Konrad on Mar 29, 4:34 PM
        1. The verses that say all sinned, have to be understood in light of the verses - Tomas on Apr 4, 10:19 PM
      2. Is Jesus your answer then, as in, Mary's savior is Jesus? - Michael on Mar 29, 7:34 PM
        1. Yes, Jesus was sent by the Father to be Mary's savior. - Tomas on Apr 4, 10:25 PM
          1. You saying this, means you now believe that Jesus is not a person of God. - Michael on Apr 5, 1:16 AM
            1. No, I did not say that nor imply that. - Tomas on Apr 5, 1:35 AM
    2. UP for TF - Michael on Mar 30, 9:39 AM
    3. Mary certainly knows who her Savior is, God. - Michael on Apr 1, 9:44 PM
      1. mother and son..knows that their saviour is god - tf on Apr 2, 11:47 AM
        1. Only sinners needed a Savior TF. The Son is Holy and sinless. In fact, He is the Savior. - Michael on Apr 2, 12:08 PM
          1. so Who do you think saved Christ and mary from Egypt? - truthfinder on Apr 4, 4:08 AM
            1. The salvation referred to here is that from the lake of fire, - Michael on Apr 4, 7:33 AM
              1. the fact is..christ rely on the father his god - tf on Apr 4, 10:10 AM
                1. The question on this thread is, who is Mary's Savior? Don't you know? - Michael on Apr 4, 2:02 PM
                  1. the point is..christ is just like mary who needs god - tf on Apr 6, 9:25 PM
                    1. But my point is, your point does not answer the question. - Michael on Apr 6, 11:16 PM
                      1. thr whole point is that chrust cannot be god just as mary - tf on Apr 7, 1:56 AM
                      2. Again, that is not the point of the question at the OP, TF. Why evade? - Michael on Apr 22, 2:25 AM
     
  2. A concern and question for INC angel, FYM, and Ministers : Who is Jesus Christ? View Thread - Michael on Mar 17, 5:05 PM
    1. do more research boy.. - tf on Mar 18, 1:49 AM
      1. Go to the original Greek, if you don't like the versions I cited. - Michael on Mar 18, 2:13 AM
        1. do u know how many original greeks ancient texts have? - tf on Mar 18, 2:32 AM
          1. INCers really know how to evade. I'm convinced. - Michael on Mar 18, 2:36 PM
            1. its the scholars who made the conclusion not us.. - tf on Mar 18, 5:04 PM
              1. Then show me the Nestle -Aland. text of John 1:18 that INC use as basis and not deviate. - Michael on Mar 18, 8:41 PM
                1. so begotten son is wrong and begotten god is the correct one? - truthfinder on Mar 19, 3:00 AM
                  1. I take "monogenes Theos" as the original Greek text - Michael on Mar 19, 2:53 PM
                    1. early church fathers quote begotten son you know - tf on Mar 19, 5:57 PM
                      1. The best evidence are the scriptures itself. - Michael on Mar 19, 8:49 PM
                      2. so how did begotten son conradictbthe rest of thebscriptures? - tf on Mar 20, 2:29 AM
                      3. "Begotten Son" is scriptures, and does not contradict scriptures. - Michael on Mar 20, 9:48 AM
                      4. those church fathet spouses.christ is gof - tf on Mar 22, 2:51 AM
                      5. If the church fathers you say aren't INC, why do you bother at all? - Michael on Mar 22, 9:37 AM
                      6. the point is... - tf on Mar 23, 10:32 PM
                      7. In that case, everything else is and can be doubtful. And I didn't even translate. - Michael on Mar 24, 1:12 AM
                      8. your best evidence violates all the other scriptures , - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:52 AM
                      9. Truth of anything does not depend on constancy and frequency of being told or written. - Michael on Mar 25, 5:26 AM
                      10. earliest surviving text does not mean the mostnreliable.. - tf on Mar 26, 3:12 AM
                      11. It may not, but it's the one with the highest probability of having the original text - Michael on Mar 26, 11:48 PM
                      12. your faith is based on probability?? - tf on Mar 27, 3:40 AM
                      13. We are not even talking about faith here. Why this deviation? - Michael on Mar 27, 5:14 AM
                      14. that is your faith in john 1:18 - tf on Mar 27, 11:57 AM
                      15. Faith in John 1:18? Seems that you don't know what faith is. - Michael on Mar 28, 12:01 AM
                      16. your doctrine where your faith is based must be sure - tf on Mar 28, 1:18 AM
                      17. Faith is not based on a single or a few Bible verse. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:12 AM
                      18. your direct evidence of your faith is based in probability only as you admitted.. - tf on Mar 30, 12:12 AM
                      19. your direct evidence of your faith is based in probability only as you admitted.. - tf on Mar 30, 12:12 AM
                      20. And you don't refute the fact that your Lamsa Acts 20:28 text is a highly improbable text. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:24 AM
                      21. If that is all you have to say, I think this is all senseless and worthless. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:26 AM
                      22. acts 20:28 is sure for us - tf on Mar 30, 1:31 AM
                      23. Yes, for you, I understand. Very well then, a new thread for that coming up. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:34 AM
    2. tf, if only you had some brains between your ears, you will know the Son of God is God. - Dean O'Gowan on Mar 19, 6:26 AM
      1. i dont have a brain that small - tf on Mar 19, 5:59 PM
        1. Where can we see that in scriptures that sonship was a right granted by God to Christ? - Michael on Mar 19, 8:52 PM
          1. so many - tf on Mar 20, 2:59 AM
          2. so many - tf on Mar 20, 2:59 AM
          3. so many - tf on Mar 20, 3:00 AM
            1. Not one you cited can we see that sonship was a right granted by God to Christ. - Michael on Mar 20, 9:20 AM
              1. you are right the son is begotten - tf on Mar 22, 3:11 AM
                1. believe you logic then. Have in your logic then TF, - Michael on Mar 22, 9:40 AM
                2. Believe in your logic then TF. Base your faith in your logic then TF. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:42 AM
                  1. so how can god be begotten? - tf on Mar 23, 10:43 PM
                    1. Perhaps INC really don't know what a begotten son is. I thought you said FYM knows all. - Michael on Mar 24, 1:17 AM
                      1. what does begotten mean to you then? - TF on Mar 24, 3:27 AM
                      2. Very well then. - Michael on Mar 24, 6:06 AM
                      3. you merely cited two verses that does not even support your explanation - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:56 AM
                      4. So you don't refute my answer to your question what "begotten" mean, instead - Michael on Mar 25, 6:38 AM
                      5. u have not cited any verse my friend - tf on Mar 26, 3:16 AM
                      6. Oh. Here, let me try to satisfy you then. - Michael on Mar 26, 9:27 PM
                      7. please strip your explanations and circumventions , that is not required - truthfinder on Mar 26, 10:04 PM
                      8. I'm pretty tired of what you want me to do. Do some work, will you? - Michael on Mar 27, 1:27 AM
                      9. here are your reference verses - tf on Mar 27, 3:43 AM
                      10. Again. Read and open your eyes, and not just hastily comment. - Michael on Mar 27, 6:57 AM
                      11. i dont need your ambigous self explanation.. - tf on Mar 27, 12:02 PM
                      12. Seems like you now resort to ambiguity tactic. - Michael on Mar 28, 12:08 AM
                      13. i don't need to explain it, i do understand it in the context of the bible - tf on Mar 28, 2:59 AM
                      14. And certainly you don't even know what "monogenes" means. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:24 AM
                      15. Actually it turns out Greek scholars disagree on what monogenes means. - Tomas on Mar 28, 6:31 PM
                      16. You are right Tomas. - Michael on Mar 28, 7:07 PM
                      17. You are now assuming the word monogenes has two different meanings. But - Tomas on Mar 28, 7:46 PM
                      18. I'm not saying that it has two meanings. - Michael on Mar 28, 8:36 PM
                      19. OK then, I misunderstood, sorry. But what I am saying is - Tomas on Mar 28, 9:24 PM
                      20. Re: OK then, I misunderstood, sorry. But what I am saying is - Michael on Mar 29, 8:41 PM
                      21. But now you are saying the word monogenes has all these meanings. - Tomas on Apr 4, 11:37 PM
                      22. What I mean is this. - Michael on Apr 5, 1:25 PM
                      23. Well, I disagree, the word did not have all these meanings, with different emphases - Tomas on Apr 12, 1:27 AM
                      24. Re: Well, I disagree, the word did not have all these meanings, with different emphases - Michael on Apr 18, 11:43 AM
                      25. OK, so far linguists found monogenes only in sentences where - Tomas on Apr 18, 11:36 PM
                      26. One will never run put of speculations and "ifs", that I'm sure. - Michael on Apr 19, 5:06 AM
                      27. It would be totally wrong to exaggerate Bible problems. - Tomas on Apr 19, 9:54 AM
    3. Thje words of Jesus written in John 8:40 and John 17:3 PREVAIL - INCquisitor on Mar 21, 3:58 PM
      1. All of scripture is true. God's words prevails. - Michael on Mar 21, 4:26 PM
        1. very weak evidence..tsk tsk - tf on Mar 22, 3:05 AM
          1. You can't refute the verse. That's just it. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:46 AM
            1. hmm - tf on Mar 27, 4:06 AM
        2. very weak evidence..tsk tsk - tf on Mar 22, 3:13 AM
          1. Credible translations? P66 and P75 are not even translations. - Michael on Mar 22, 9:49 AM
            1. the oldest surviving manuscript..but it's stll hundreds of years way off .. - tf on Mar 30, 12:09 AM
              1. Nothing new. All but is mere repetition. Do you have anything better and new to say? - Michael on Mar 30, 1:29 AM
              2. Here's a new one. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:32 AM
        3. The problem with Trinitarians is...... - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 7:25 AM
          1. No problem at all. The problem is u believe otherwise though not able to refute scriptures - Michael on Mar 22, 9:51 AM
        4. Which came first, the KJV or the P66 and P75? - INCquisitor on Mar 23, 1:59 PM
          1. Not comparable. KJV is a translation, while P66 and P75 are ancient Greek manuscripts - Michael on Mar 23, 6:41 PM
            1. scholars already vomcludede that ur evidenve is questionable - tf on Mar 23, 10:45 PM
              1. Everything else then is questionable, for there are always those, scholars, - Michael on Mar 24, 1:37 AM
                1. who told you that P66 etc is the best? - TF on Mar 24, 3:25 AM
                  1. Have I not told you why I take P66 and P75 as the best evidence? - Michael on Mar 24, 7:42 AM
                    1. can you cite me an objective greek scholar not you - truthfinder on Mar 25, 2:57 AM
                      1. Why would you want me to do that? Perhaps you should do that instead. - Michael on Mar 25, 6:56 AM
                      2. so u have no roog other than your own conviction? - tf on Mar 26, 3:15 AM
                      3. I respect one's conviction. But anyone's conviction is not necessarily mine. - Michael on Mar 26, 3:11 PM
                      4. your conviction is based on your opinion - truthfinder on Mar 26, 10:05 PM
                      5. What? Really , how weird can you get? - Michael on Mar 27, 7:09 AM
                      6. your evidence is being admitted by scolarsto be doubftul - tf on Mar 28, 1:20 AM
                      7. If that's all you have to say, then basically you can't refute no more. - Michael on Mar 28, 10:27 AM
                      8. that is the truth as concluded by scholars ,,your evidence is questionable - tf on Mar 30, 12:17 AM
                      9. So be it for you then. - Michael on Mar 30, 1:33 AM
            2. Re: Not comparable. KJV is a translation, while P66 and P75 are ancient Greek manuscripts - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 7:36 AM
              1. Thank you. I thought you will go again with your usual John 8:40 and John 17:3 tactic. - Michael on Mar 25, 10:35 AM
                1. Your research is biased.toward a FALSE doctrine. - INCquisitor on Mar 26, 4:37 PM
                  1. That's what you say. But I don't do research with prejudice. - Michael on Mar 26, 8:19 PM
                    1. Between John 17:3 and John 1:18, I believe John 17:3 more.... - INCquisitor on Mar 28, 4:53 AM
                      1. That's fine. But that is not simply the issue here. Why do you always divert the issue? - Michael on Mar 28, 12:04 PM
                      2. Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 5, 6:33 AM
                      3. Re: Childish reasoning! - Michael on Apr 16, 11:51 AM
                      4. Re: Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 18, 8:24 PM
                      5. Re: Childish reasoning! - Michael on Apr 18, 11:41 PM
                      6. Re: Childish reasoning! - INCquisitor on Apr 19, 7:43 PM
     
  3. Jesus Christ: the Son of God View Thread - tf on Apr 10, 11:09 AM
    1. tf, there is no dispute that Jesus is man. Just like there is no dispute that Obama is man - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 11, 8:35 PM
      1. Where do you see in the Bible that Jesus was begotten in eternity? - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:02 PM
      2. Dean, don't try to convince the ignorant and clueless with logic. They will never get it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Apr 16, 9:22 AM
        1. So you agree with me, that even if Jesus preexisted, he was not begotten - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:42 AM
    2. What you say is NOT what the Bible says. - INCquisitor on Apr 15, 2:48 PM
    3. Jesus had glory with the Father before the world began. Therefore He existed before the - Dean O'Gowan on Apr 16, 2:04 PM
      1. That could be, that he was created before the world began, - Tomas on Apr 19, 2:38 AM
     
  4. Is there ANY version of Romans 16:16 which says "churches of God?" View Thread - INCquisitor on Apr 18, 6:32 PM
    1. I am not aware of any Greek manuscript that said in Rom. 16:16 - Tomas on Apr 19, 12:25 AM
     
  5. Syria¬ís Christians Risk Eradication View Thread - katsung on Jan 23, 1:01 PM
    1. Yes, we should support Assad. Only he guarantees religious - Tomas on Jan 24, 5:00 PM
      1. Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media - Sung on Feb 2, 12:08 PM
        1. Of course, like most Libyan's supported Gaddafi when he was in power. But 90% celebrated - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 3, 11:32 AM
    2. Syrian Christians worry about life after Bashar Assad - Sung on Feb 13, 5:44 PM
    3. Syrians like Egyptians want democracy. Not Islamic. - Dean O'Gowan on Feb 14, 6:00 PM
      1. Unfortunately, most among religious minorities in Syria realize - Tomas on Feb 14, 9:14 PM
      2. Patriarch al-Rahi: Syria is Closest to Democracy in Arab World, - Sung on Mar 7, 10:51 AM
        1. If he lives in Syria, he would be punished if he did not say - Tomas on Mar 7, 9:38 PM
    4. Massacred Christians Left In 2 Mass Graves By Armed Syrian Rebels - Sung on Feb 24, 3:21 PM
      1. Obama tries to fund only moderate rebels, not those who - Tomas on Feb 28, 7:32 PM
    5. Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein - Sung on Mar 17, 4:35 PM
    6. Only 57 Churches Left In Iraq; From 300 In 2003 - Sung on Mar 28, 1:41 PM
    7. Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan, Says State Department - Sung on Apr 7, 2:47 PM
      1. There might be Christians in Afghanistan who meet secretly - Tomas on Apr 11, 10:50 PM
    8. Christians Worry Over a Future in Egypt - Sung on Apr 18, 1:37 PM
     
  6. ANOTHER CASE OF IGNORANCE OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION BY TRUTHFINDER - [REVELATION 6:9-11] View Thread - csdr on Mar 3, 11:13 PM
    1. One blunder after another is hastening the demise of the INC's belief and core doctrines - lumpen on Mar 4, 10:33 AM
      1. why wait? - jpilon on Mar 5, 5:46 PM
        1. JPILON, that's not just the case of the RCC here in the US, but worldwide! - DEFENDER on Mar 7, 8:54 PM
          1. o, I know - jpilon on Mar 10, 6:29 PM
    2. How come they are included in the first resurection of the dead? - Ross on Mar 4, 12:16 PM
      1. Yes, dead bodily or phusically but their souls continue to live! - csdr on Mar 4, 4:11 PM
        1. Dont just talk ...... - Ross on Mar 5, 5:25 PM
          1. Are you reading my post? - csdr on Mar 5, 5:36 PM
          2. The proof you are seeking is in the verse you quoted. - Kristian on Mar 7, 9:23 AM
            1. Re: The proof you are seeking is in the verse you quoted. - Ross on Mar 7, 12:36 PM
              1. How about this? - Saleem on Mar 7, 1:51 PM
                1. how about Abel is he alive also - truthfinder on Mar 7, 5:28 PM
                  1. That's a metaphor - Saleem on Mar 7, 5:30 PM
                    1. he should have been in heaven already? - truthfinder on Mar 8, 12:37 PM
                      1. Oh no no no! - Monsters_INC on Mar 10, 5:55 PM
                      2. Why not? He has faith that justifies! [Hebrews 11] - csdr on Mar 10, 6:37 PM
                      3. Not Yet! - Monsters_INC on Mar 10, 6:46 PM
              2. Hello? Which comes first, Revelation 6 or Rev. 20?! - Kristian on Mar 7, 8:40 PM
        2. More about the death of the soul..... - Ross on Mar 5, 5:38 PM
          1. You quoted Psalms. - Kristian on Mar 7, 9:24 AM
      2. All souls will die because all have sinned..... - Ross on Mar 4, 7:18 PM
        1. That is why Christ died for us - Saleem on Mar 5, 4:46 PM
          1. You are talking about the second death.... - Ross on Mar 5, 5:18 PM
            1. So does Ezekiel and all the verses you quoted. - Saleem on Mar 6, 5:12 PM
              1. The first death is the first payment for sin.......... - Ross on Mar 6, 5:51 PM
                1. The second death is also payment for sin. - Saleem on Mar 6, 6:04 PM
                  1. Yes, that's true and there is no salvation for them...Because they - Ross on Mar 6, 10:48 PM
              2. The first death refers to death of all men as first payment for sin.. - Ross on Mar 6, 6:08 PM
                1. If that isit, then how come some men won't experience the first death? - Saleem on Mar 6, 6:19 PM
                  1. Indeed they are very lucky because they are in Christ body... - Ross on Mar 6, 10:54 PM
                    1. I thought you said that all men will die, because all have sinned? - Saleem on Mar 7, 8:46 AM
                      1. I did not say it..... - Ross on Mar 7, 12:26 PM
                      2. Then, not everybody dies... - Saleem on Mar 7, 12:30 PM
                      3. Ask your question to God.... - Ross on Mar 7, 12:38 PM
                      4. So it is true that the soul does not die - Saleem on Mar 7, 12:45 PM
                      5. Wrong again....No such thing as IMMORTAL SOUL... - Ross on Mar 7, 6:25 PM
        2. dying spiritually is not the same as being extinguished from existence! - csdr on Mar 5, 4:56 PM
          1. You are out of topic.... - Ross on Mar 5, 5:22 PM
            1. dying spiritually is an expression to denote eternal separation from God and pertains to - csdr on Mar 5, 10:48 PM
              1. What do you have to say about these verses?? - Ross on Mar 6, 6:57 AM
                1. You're talking about the second death - Saleem on Mar 6, 5:13 PM
                  1. The second death in the lake of fire is different from death... - Ross on Mar 6, 5:42 PM
                    1. Where does it say that? - Saleem on Mar 6, 6:03 PM
                      1. Read it above... - Ross on Mar 6, 6:09 PM
                      2. Sorry, but it's not in there - Saleem on Mar 6, 6:20 PM
        3. The soul shall die when and where? - Kristian on Mar 7, 9:27 AM
    3. How about this Truthfinder? having diffulties too? - csdr on Mar 4, 4:48 PM
    4. oh my , that was merely a vision in metaphor - truthfinder on Mar 4, 4:59 PM
      1. Again, mere opinion not backed up by scriptures. Is everything that contradicts your.... - csdr on Mar 4, 5:02 PM
        1. what is the cry of Abel's blood seeking for justice to you - truthfinder on Mar 4, 5:56 PM
          1. Why do you ask me? did I quote this verse? Please explain your intention? - csdr on Mar 4, 11:54 PM
            1. that is a proof CSDR - truthfinder on Mar 5, 11:56 AM
              1. "the voice of thy brother's blood crieth" is an expression of the need for justice. - csdr on Mar 5, 5:03 PM
              2. Rev. 6:9 is a vision of what will happen to the dead saint's souls. It does not ONLY - csdr on Mar 5, 5:14 PM
      2. So, is Psalm 44: 25 figurative as well? - Kristian on Mar 7, 9:32 AM
        1. Figurative only in your own mind.... - Ross on Mar 7, 6:28 PM
          1. So you think Psalm 44: 25 is literal? - Kristian on Mar 7, 8:41 PM
          2. "There is no such thing as immortal soul." - Saleem on Mar 10, 8:18 AM
    5. think about this.. - truthfinder on Mar 8, 11:32 AM
      1. So, everything in Revelations are figurative for you? - csdr on Mar 9, 10:44 PM
    6. BUMP FOR TF - csdr on Jul 9, 6:13 PM
    7. Re: ANOTHER CASE OF IGNORANCE OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION BY TRUTHFINDER - [REVELATION 6:9-11] - tf on Jul 9, 9:05 PM
      1. . - tf on Apr 16, 9:30 PM
      2. Phil. 2:10 speaks of "every knee bends to Jesus, in heaven, - Albert on Apr 17, 6:24 AM
      3. In 1Peter 3:19, Jesus preached to the spirits... - Albert on Apr 17, 6:44 AM
     
  7. Islam-INC 101 - Let the work of Satan be refuted View Thread - Jason on Jun 8, 1:01 AM
    1. Repost for Truthseekers: One God, the Father vs. the Trinity - Ravenousbird2004 on Jun 10, 11:46 PM
      1. This post crushed down Jason's attempt to muddle the truth. - mikel on Jun 11, 4:35 AM
        1. And here is what mikel endorses. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jun 11, 9:14 AM
        2. This is all rav is capable of doing - Jason on Jun 11, 3:17 PM
          1. For your info, that's my PERSONAL STUDY/THESIS, my friend.... - Ravenousbird2004 on Jun 16, 7:05 AM
            1. . - tf on Apr 16, 10:39 PM
    2. Rav, Mikel, Rus, can you please DIRECTLY refute this post - Jason on Jun 11, 3:20 PM
    3. Mike, can you show me how my interpretations are wrong here - Jason on Jun 15, 10:19 PM
    4. Bump for Glenn - Jason on Jun 28, 10:51 PM
    5. Glenn since you are the best INC I have seen here - I am trying to keep this on top - Jason on Jun 29, 11:34 PM
      1. I don't think that INC ministers can hold on a scholarly debate - Another Insider on Jul 1, 2:33 AM
        1. stop pretending loser - tf on Jul 1, 3:00 AM
        2. No this is very true, all INC members here cannot think for themselves - Jason on Jul 1, 6:01 PM
    6. I'll get to it... - FTT on Jul 4, 7:13 AM
    7. Bump - Jason on Jul 30, 8:09 PM
     
  8. Yet another truth for the INC to consider regarding FYM, and get out of the deception. View Thread - Michael on Apr 10, 5:35 AM
    1. Re: Yet another truth for the INC to consider regarding FYM, and get out of the deception. - tf on Apr 10, 11:07 AM
      1. FELIX MANALO? NO DIRECT LINK. YES, IT'S A DECEPTION - bobbyisfriend on Apr 10, 10:07 PM
        1. The Bible shouldn't be understood like an ordinary book. - emmanuel on Apr 11, 1:13 AM
     
  9. THE LOVE OF GOD FOR MAN. View Thread - Michael on Apr 10, 5:10 AM
    1. love in truth - tf on Apr 10, 11:06 AM
     
  10. mike what do u mean by hypostasis? View Thread - tf on Apr 7, 2:18 AM
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