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  1. Did any of you anti-trinitarians -- especially INCquisitor -- ever read Galatians 1:1? View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 17, 2015, 6:44 AM
    1. In Gal. 1:1 Paul does not say that Jesus Christ is God. - INCquisitor on Mar 17, 2015, 6:20 PM
      1. Gal. 1:1 speaks of the apostleship of Paul. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:01 AM
      2. Oh well, INCquisitor defends his false understanding of John 17:3 and John 8:40 by - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:04 PM
      3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:42 AM
        1. That is not a nice Christian reaction to him, of you. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:26 AM
          1. ok I'm sorry about what I've said against incquisitor. - Karlos on Mar 22, 2015, 1:49 AM
            1. The commandment 'you shall not kill' has been mistranslated - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 10:19 PM
              1. ok Tomas, kill anyone that threaten your country. - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 11:03 PM
                1. God now inspires us only by us reading the Bible. - Tomas on Mar 27, 2015, 11:41 PM
    2. If Paul's authority as an apostle comes from Christ, consequently, Paul's - Wayne on Mar 18, 2015, 2:07 AM
      1. Gal. 1:1 strictly speaking talks about the apostleship of Paul and not of the twelve. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 7:06 AM
        1. Paul knew that Jesus is a MAN and the Father is the ONLY TRUE God. - INCquisitor on Mar 18, 2015, 3:45 PM
          1. We know that too. But Paul ALSO knew -- what you don't know -- that Christ was not just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:18 PM
            1. Are you saying that Paul knew what YOU know that I don't know? - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 4:23 AM
              1. The only contradictions in the Bible are being created by you, INCqusitor. Unfortunately , - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 7:41 AM
          2. But Paul knew more than what you do about that. - Michael on Mar 18, 2015, 6:33 PM
            1. God being savior and Jesus being savior too does not make Jesus God. - INCquisitor on Mar 19, 2015, 3:27 PM
              1. For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 20, 2015, 8:50 AM
                1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 7:57 AM
                  1. Re: For you at least INCquisitor, not for Paul. And here's another truth you trash to refute. - Michael on Mar 22, 2015, 6:19 PM
                    1. True Christians are disciples of Christ (Acts 11:26; John 8:31). - INCquisitor on Mar 25, 2015, 7:39 PM
                      1. It's not an interpretation, INCquisitor. Those are the true words of Paul, inspired by God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 26, 2015, 7:03 AM
                      2. INCquisitor deviates for the nth time as his final refutation attempt. - Michael on Mar 26, 2015, 9:44 AM
                      3. Bravo, Michael. I couldn't have said your summation better myself! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
          3. go to hell you blitherring idiot! - Karlos on Mar 19, 2015, 7:48 AM
            1. Answer me wise guy, did Jesus say he is man and God? - INCquisitor on Mar 22, 2015, 8:01 AM
              1. hehehe the weird guy asking me weird questions! - Karlos on Mar 23, 2015, 8:34 AM
                1. So you don;t believe what YOUR god Jesus say in John 17:11-12 TEV? - INCquisitor on Mar 24, 2015, 4:04 AM
                  1. hahaha, John 17:11-12???? - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:38 AM
                    1. hahahaha the weirdiest weird guy has no answer! I thought you are an expert! - Karlos on Mar 26, 2015, 6:57 AM
                  2. fccc in this forum! that is a joke isn't it? fccc is a fake and false church! - Karlos on Mar 25, 2015, 7:45 AM
                  3. where are your answer incquisitor! tsk tsk tsk! lol! - Karlos on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 AM
        2. An apostle means someone who is sent - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:50 PM
        3. Although Christ is man in his state of being, it is wrong to - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 3:18 PM
          1. No man whatsoever was involved in any way in the commissioning of Paul as an apostle. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 6:12 PM
            1. It's like telling the Catholics that their Pope was sent by men - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 6:59 PM
              1. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:19 PM
                1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 5:02 AM
                  1. 1. Your presumption is incorrect. 2. If the President of the US is being elected by the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 20, 2015, 7:33 AM
                    1. What do you think? Is the Pope--having been elected by men--God-sent or man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 4:07 PM
                      1. God sends all preachers of the gospel, even if they are unsaved. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:27 AM
                      2. I already told you, your presumption is incorrect. Now I presume you know that God gave - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 10:06 AM
                      3. Having been elected by human's free will, is the Pope God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 5:54 AM
                      4. I don't know. Maybe a Catholic can answer that best. Are YOU Catholic? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 22, 2015, 8:42 AM
                      5. Is your religious leader [religious organization you belong] God-sent or Man-sent? - Wayne on Mar 22, 2015, 7:16 PM
                      6. I guess I know now why you're repeating your question and not answering mine. You must be - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 23, 2015, 7:29 AM
      2. The NRSV translation is not a true translation. It's an interpretation. For a serious - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 18, 2015, 5:29 PM
        1. Just the same. Any translation need to be interpreted. - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 2:52 PM
          1. Not by the translator. His duty is to translate. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. NRSV was tranlated by groups from Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - Wayne on Mar 19, 2015, 8:07 PM
              1. So? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 19, 2015, 9:17 PM
                1. I think these group of Trinitarian scholars have better understanding - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 12:34 AM
                  1. Maybe, maybe not. What speaks against them is that the vast majority of accomplished - TION on Mar 21, 2015, 9:49 AM
                  2. My previous: "Maybe, maybe not." came under a false name. Sorry. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 21, 2015, 3:39 PM
     
  2. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:16 PM
    1. Engelberto, is your father's name Felix? I'm not kidding: My INC teacher was Felix Lim. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:37 PM
     
  3. The Happiest Moment In My Life View Thread - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 8:54 PM
    1. The devil makes people happy on earth. God's Kingdom is not from this world, my friend. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 27, 2015, 9:27 PM
     
  4. INC Convert Story View Thread - Bryan X on Sep 17, 2004, 7:26 PM
    1. Did Michael marry Sister Margie Javier? - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:41 PM
      1. Do INC Filipino women convert only jellyfish girlie white men? Like BGC, Bible Student, - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:40 PM
      2. VERITAS, you are losing your mind. LoL! - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:41 AM
    2. A Baptist believed that the Catholic Church was the apostate church. - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 7:50 PM
      1. Yes, Baptists too are usually divisive. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:26 AM
    3. A Protestant prays for a Catholic's conversion, got himself converted - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:23 PM
    4. Hundreds of Catholic conversions - Veritas ††† on Sep 17, 2004, 9:35 PM
    5. Convert Story: A Former Catholic Priest who became INC - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 17, 2004, 10:40 PM
    6. Another Convert Story: A Former Nun Bidding Farewell to the Nunnery - Ravenousbird2004 on Sep 18, 2004, 12:55 AM
    7. Journey of a lowly pilgrim. - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:20 AM
    8. Journey to God. Part 1 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:23 AM
    9. Journey to God, Part 2 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:26 AM
    10. Journey to God, Part 3 - Veritas ††† on Sep 18, 2004, 8:28 AM
    11. I can't forget the former members of ADD converting to INC. - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 10:57 AM
    12. Another INC Convert Story - Bryan X on Sep 18, 2004, 11:23 AM
      1. The Happiest Moment In My Life - Engelberto Lim on Mar 27, 2015, 9:15 PM
    13. INC Convert Story (To Islam) - Bro RSP on Sep 18, 2004, 12:05 PM
      1. Be careful, Islam is a false gospel. - Tom on Sep 19, 2004, 1:21 AM
    14. A former INC's story. - Veritas ††† on Sep 19, 2004, 6:25 PM
     
  5. BECOMING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS IN CHRIST View Thread - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 8:59 AM
    1. So you agree that babies need to be baptized? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 9:45 AM
      1. Where did I say babies need to be baptized? - INCquisitor on Feb 16, 2015, 2:53 PM
        1. I'm sorry I misunderstood you when you said: Therefore, Christ CANNOT die for the sins of - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 16, 2015, 8:50 PM
          1. As I said, babies do not commit sin. Therefore, Christ need not die - INCquisitor on Feb 17, 2015, 6:04 AM
            1. But didn't Jesus also say: “I tell you the truth, NO ONE can enter the kingdom of God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 17, 2015, 8:21 AM
              1. Babies are not saved no matter how many times they are baptized - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 10:25 PM
                1. I will not waste much time commenting on that baloney. Your baloney contradicts Jesus who - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:02 AM
                  1. I know, Lutherans believe water baptism is necessary for salvation. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:26 AM
                    1. Jesus didn't speak of water baptism in John 3:5, so nobody but you is speaking of just - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:33 AM
                      1. I did speak of the Spirit baptism, that one saves us. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:03 PM
              2. Peter said, "let everyone be baptized for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38). - INCquisitor on Feb 22, 2015, 6:47 PM
                1. Now you're saying what Peter said overrides what Jesus said. Hhhhmm. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 23, 2015, 10:41 AM
                  1. Children is not limited to babies.Adults are children too. - INCquisitor on Feb 26, 2015, 4:25 AM
                    1. You're totally losing it, INCquisitor. Let's summarize one more time. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 9:04 AM
                  2. Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - INCquisitor on Feb 27, 2015, 7:05 PM
                    1. Babies are sinful, but their baptism is futile, they still don't have faith. - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 1:43 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:49 AM
                      2. One commandment or law is we have to believe. - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:32 PM
                    2. Re:Anyone whose sins have not be forgiven CANNOT enter the kingdom of heaven. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 12:33 AM
                      1. Sin is lawlwessness or transgression of God's laws (1 John 3:4 NKJV/KJV). - INCquisitor on Mar 1, 2015, 5:44 AM
                      2. Let's agree that we disagree. You're sayin when Jesus said NO ONE he didn't mean to say - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 9:18 AM
                      3. The doctrine of "original sin" is FALSE. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 6:40 AM
                      4. 'All have sinned' (Rom 3:23). - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 8:09 AM
                      5. The epistles were addressed to people who knew how to read. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 5:32 PM
                      6. Who knew how to read or who had the epistles read to them. - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:40 AM
                      7. Tomas, sin is transgression of God's law. Sin is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 1:28 PM
                      8. One commandment or law is we have to believe. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 3:43 AM
    2. Point of clarification INCquisitor, before anything else. - Michael on Feb 25, 2015, 7:27 AM
      1. Do these simple questions shuts INCquisitor, the commissioned disciple of Christ? - Michael on Mar 1, 2015, 9:06 AM
        1. And evidently, simple truth questions does once again shuts up INCquisitor. - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:49 PM
      2. Read my post to find answers to your questions. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:25 PM
        1. Nothing in there that answers my questions INCquisitor. That's why I ask. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 6:56 PM
          1. No one can answer your questions for you. You alone know the answers - INCquisitor on Mar 14, 2015, 1:21 PM
            1. So, that just means you don't really know what you are talking about. - Michael on Mar 14, 2015, 10:49 PM
              1. You put meaning to everything I say but I don't care. - INCquisitor on Mar 15, 2015, 11:52 AM
                1. Yes you don't care to explain what you mean to say and expect people to understand you? - Michael on Mar 15, 2015, 6:22 PM
     
  6. What do the Catholics say about the phrase "Was God" in John 1:1 View Thread - Wayne on Mar 20, 2015, 2:21 PM
    1. Predication simply means it is the grammatical predicate there. - Tomas on Mar 21, 2015, 2:15 AM
     
  7. Different view for John 8:58 View Thread - Renan on Feb 26, 2015, 5:09 AM
    1. You're stretching it beyond belief. Why don't you check the Bible verses that also say - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 9:33 AM
      1. I think you are committing fallacy of obscure definition. - Renan on Feb 26, 2015, 4:51 PM
        1. Do you have any proof for your accusation? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 26, 2015, 7:57 PM
          1. You are defining a Greek word with another Greek word. - Renan on Feb 27, 2015, 12:42 PM
            1. And in none of them can you find "from the grave". So, who is committing the fallacy? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 27, 2015, 5:07 PM
              1. G1096 gínomai: "to become, i. e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being" - Renan on Mar 8, 2015, 8:40 PM
                1. You're stretching it again. We agree on the meaning of G1096. To give it any other or - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 10, 2015, 4:30 PM
    2. Renan, such view is erroneous. - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 9:16 PM
      1. If Christ was talking about "death", what death was he talking about? - Renan on Mar 8, 2015, 11:35 PM
        1. Not physical death, for sure. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 1:55 AM
          1. Spiritual death....... when will this death be? - Renan on Mar 10, 2015, 3:25 PM
            1. On death. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 11:33 PM
    3. The key to understanding John 8:58 is John 8:56. - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 4:26 AM
      1. Regardless of John 8:56, verse 58 is clear that the Son existed already - Tomas on Mar 14, 2015, 1:50 AM
     
  8. Last word for Tomas -- and all other anti-trinitarians: If you can't accept the simple View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 4:48 PM
    1. John 1:1 VS John 8:40 and John 17:3. - INCquisitor on Mar 7, 2015, 5:14 PM
      1. Does INCquisitor here compares scriptures or wants scriptures to refute scriptures? - Michael on Mar 7, 2015, 10:59 PM
        1. That's where we differ. You don't have a hierarchy of values. - INCquisitor on Mar 8, 2015, 3:18 PM
          1. Have hierarchy of values? Where did you get that? - Michael on Mar 8, 2015, 9:27 PM
            1. Re: If you keep up with your erroneous way of reading and understanding scriptures, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 9:52 AM
            2. If John believed that Jesus is God, why did he write John 8:40 and John 17:3? - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:42 PM
              1. And why not? You should not stop asking that to yourself. - Michael on Mar 10, 2015, 12:39 AM
                1. Did God inspire the apostles to contradict Jeus? I don't believe God did. - INCquisitor on Mar 11, 2015, 6:41 PM
                  1. Of course NOT. It's a question really that should not be even asked by a Christian. - Michael on Mar 12, 2015, 2:01 AM
                    1. Of course, the words and teachings of Jesus PREVAIL over anyone's words and INTERPRETATION - INCquisitor on Mar 12, 2015, 3:37 PM
                      1. Of course. No argument about that. But all scriptures are God's words. - Michael on Mar 13, 2015, 12:04 AM
          2. There is no hierarchy in the Bible, the word of God. All verses are equally true. There is - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 9:48 AM
            1. You believe that there were two Gods in the beginning, don't you? - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:47 PM
              1. Who gave you the idea there are two Gods? Satan? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 11, 2015, 12:37 PM
      2. It's not John vs Jesus. It's John in harmony with Jesus. If you disagree, you're saying - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 9, 2015, 7:46 AM
        1. It is your INTERRETATION of John 1:1 that makes Jesus a liar. - INCquisitor on Mar 9, 2015, 3:50 PM
          1. Oh yes, John did identify Jesus, when he said: "The Word became flesh and made his - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 11, 2015, 12:56 PM
    2. Guenter, theia is feminine of theios 'divine'. - Tomas on Mar 13, 2015, 10:59 PM
     
  9. "Form of God". Can you tell? View Thread - Michael on Aug 28, 2014, 3:58 AM
    1. Up for those who can tell. Those who can't need not answer the questions herein. - Michael on Sep 6, 2014, 1:04 AM
      1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in a form of God. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 3:54 AM
        1. Phil. 2:6 says Jesus was in the form of God. - Michael on Oct 3, 2014, 7:31 PM
          1. a form - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 7:17 AM
            1. Form of God. Scriptures speaks not of "Forms". - Michael on Oct 9, 2014, 4:15 AM
              1. A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 4:38 PM
                1. Re: A form of God. That seems to imply there are more than one. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 10:24 AM
                  1. michael's faith is based on "imply" - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:02 AM
                    1. really? where can I read that he said that? I want to see it, show me? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 6:38 AM
                  2. Michael, my answers about Christ. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 10:54 AM
                    1. Tomas, my comments on your answers. - Michael on Dec 3, 2014, 4:39 PM
                      1. Michael, my comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      2. Tomas: more comments - Michael on Dec 24, 2014, 9:54 PM
                      3. Michael, more comments. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:46 PM
                      4. Re: Michael, more comments. - Michael on Jan 9, 2015, 8:49 PM
                      5. My answer to your comments. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:24 AM
                      6. The truth will set you free Tomas. Do you know who set you free? - Michael on Feb 2, 2015, 5:44 PM
                      7. Jesus set me free by dying for me and giving me the gospel truth thru the Bible. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:14 AM
                      8. Before you guys, but especially Tomas, are getting more and more confused about Koin Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:00 PM
                      9. The author is right of course that in John 1:1 - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:04 PM
                      10. You're wrong again, and again, and again, and again..... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 1, 2015, 10:28 AM
                      11. Did your professor friend tell you that word order makes a difference, - Tomas on Mar 6, 2015, 11:24 PM
                      12. Re: Jesus set me free by dying for me and giving me the gospel truth thru the Bible. - Michael on Mar 11, 2015, 5:42 AM
                      13. I don't want you to miss that... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 11:04 PM
        2. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. The truth is: 1. The Greek language - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 30, 2014, 10:17 AM
          1. True, English can sometimes also have a noun with no article. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 2:18 PM
            1. You're missing the point. YOU: no definite article in Greek needs to be translated with - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 2:44 PM
              1. In John 1:1 the definite translation, the God, is grammatically plausible, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:28 PM
                1. You not correct twofold: Greek grammar also relies on context. If the context does not - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:47 PM
                  1. Of course the context can be important. But there is nothing in the context - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:28 PM
                    1. Having one God plus a god, making it two, is not out of context? A monotheistic religion - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:59 PM
                      1. Nothing in that context calls for not having gods. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:10 PM
                      2. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:48 PM
                      3. No, he did not call them false gods, but gods. q - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:47 PM
                      4. Those "gods" in Psalm 82:6 were already humans, born to two human parents and appointed - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 15, 2014, 6:21 PM
                      5. So what? Sure they died, and so did Jesus. He rose again, so will they. - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:48 PM
                      6. LOL, they rose after three days and are sitting at the right hand of God? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:38 PM
                      7. Of course not, in those things that god was special. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:43 AM
                      8. Oh? Now he is not the same god like all the others as you were claiming all the time? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:20 PM
                      9. He is the same in having the word of God. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:27 AM
                      10. Your father is greater than you too. At least, I hope so. You obeyed him. But you're both - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:46 AM
                      11. Like Father like Son? - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:39 AM
                      12. I see you disagree with your mule analogy. You're an anti-trinitarian of the worst kind. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:51 PM
                      13. Why would monogenes disprove the mule analogy? - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:20 AM
                      14. I found another verse that clearly tells us the Son is God. John 1:18 - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 30, 2015, 9:30 AM
                      15. One problem with this verse is that different Greek manuscripts - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 4:27 AM
                      16. Of course, Jehovah's Witnesses have to continue with their lie that "Theos" means "a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 10, 2015, 5:07 PM
                      17. Sometimes theos does mean a god. - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:10 PM
                      18. I told you in another thread you need brain surgery if you don't understand that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:46 AM
                      19. I am not accusing you of needing brain surgery just because - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      20. I told you in another thread you didn't realize my sarcasm talking about brain surgery. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:09 PM
                      21. Well, I would not use such impolite sarcasm with you. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:16 PM
    2. what is your point... - tf on Sep 8, 2014, 10:03 PM
      1. TF, if you don't know, that is understandable. - Michael on Sep 8, 2014, 10:29 PM
        1. open your cards.. - tf on Sep 11, 2014, 10:20 PM
    3. God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - tf on Nov 16, 2014, 5:14 PM
      1. Re: God has no physical form..mike..tsk tsk - Karlos on Nov 16, 2014, 10:18 PM
        1. why don't you try to measure it yourself - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 1:56 AM
          1. so you cannot answer my question? - Karlos on Nov 17, 2014, 4:53 AM
            1. so tf, why so afraid to comment on 1 Peter 1:11? - Karlos on Nov 21, 2014, 5:53 AM
              1. Not afraid Karlos. TF just can't see such a bright light as 1 Peter 1:11. - Michael on Nov 21, 2014, 2:43 PM
                1. I'm afraid that is the case! But I'm still optimistic that one day they will see the light - Karlos on Nov 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
                  1. Well, seeing is one thing. But believing is another. - Michael on Nov 24, 2014, 4:30 AM
      2. That's right TF. God is spirit and to be visible can put on the physical. - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:12 PM
        1. that is wrong even when Jesus is on earth he declared that God is spirit unlike him - tf on Nov 20, 2014, 1:19 AM
          1. What is wrong TF in my post TF? Point it out. - Michael on Nov 20, 2014, 6:32 AM
          2. Jesus is not also spirit? Ah yeah, the INC Bible doesn't have "and the Word became flesh." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 26, 2014, 8:12 AM
            1. Seems INC even don't know what a man is. They speak of things they don't really know of. - Michael on Nov 26, 2014, 2:16 PM
            2. Guenter, the Bibles INC have do say "and the Word became flesh - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 11:03 AM
              1. Gosh, Tomas, I know all that crap. Therefore, they don't have it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 11:39 AM
                1. They have it, they just interpret it differently from Christians who believe in - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 4:12 PM
                  1. Not a gospel doctrine? Only in your sick mind. Anti-trinitarians like you and INC are - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:31 PM
                    1. Why do you like to insult so much, like sick mind, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 8:50 PM
                      1. Not only I but also Michael and others gave you plenty of verses in many years past. You - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:05 PM
                      2. So I have been discussing the verses, but you are all stubborn, - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      3. Why would I say "The Word was God: is wrong when it is not? YOU are the amateur Greek - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:21 PM
                      4. Grammatically, either translation would be correct. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:29 PM
                      5. The amateur Greek "expert" is speaking again. Besides, Jesus is called God in other verses - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:36 PM
                      6. Like what other verse? I haven't seen one whose meaning - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:11 PM
                      7. I'm sorry, that's way too much to justify all your grave errors. I will not read it and I - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 4:35 PM
                      8. No, sorry, what I said is if you found such a verse, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 4:43 PM
                      9. Sorry to hear that you're still rejecting the many true verses in the Bible I gave you. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 5:41 PM
                      10. Sorry to disappoint you, I would like to make you happy, - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 7:37 PM
                      11. It's not interpretation, it's TRANSLATION you are dead wrong on. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 7:51 PM
                      12. Well, sorry, you Greek expert. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:17 PM
                      13. I don't rely on my expertise as you so proudly do. You must have missed what I told you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 10:27 PM
                      14. Well, he was convinced the NT teaches trinity, because - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
                      15. Fine, Tomas, EVERY Greek language scholar who disagrees with your amateurish expertise - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 14, 2014, 9:13 AM
                      16. Are you saying some scholars have no flaw? They are perfect? - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:52 PM
                      17. Not some, EVERY distinguished Greek language scholar you disagree with has a flaw. They - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 3:33 PM
                      18. All people have flaws, except Jesus. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 12:55 AM
                      19. You'll be saved by the grace of God. Not by the grace of Tomas. So be careful in your - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:05 PM
                      20. I am saved by the grace of God, not by the grace of myself, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:52 AM
                      21. You sure determined that my friend has no salvation. So by the (dis)grace of Tomas he has - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:41 AM
                      22. By the way, if you don't even know the true meaning of "has no salvation" how dare you to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 5, 2015, 12:16 PM
                      23. In 'has no salvation' the verb 'has' is in the present tense, - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 7:59 AM
                      24. If you understand it this way, fine. Although German is not as strict as English when it - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 10, 2015, 10:50 AM
     
  10. prayer to the tritnity View Thread - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 2:44 AM
    1. You're joking about God.....tsk! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:54 AM
      1. how do u pray tp 6our trinity - tf on Oct 13, 2014, 5:05 PM
        1. You don't even understand Trinity, otherwise you wouldn't ask a stupid question like that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 8:12 PM
          1. Amen to that. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:13 AM
          2. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Proof that Michael and I have different vies about Trinity! Or better shut your mouth! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:40 AM
          3. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:25 AM
            1. Who says I am ordinary? Proof it! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 6:41 AM
          4. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:26 AM
            1. Why are you dodging the question where Jesus was before but not Elijah? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:12 AM
          5. so the ordinary guenter understands the trinity??wowwww - truthfinder on Oct 21, 2014, 3:27 AM
            1. Why do you and your INC cohorts claim Jesus was not prophesied being God by Isaiah when, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:16 AM
      2. Guenter, why is that an invalid prayer, if you believe - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:02 AM
        1. If you consider this: "or the the TRinity is one God?" a part of a prayer, I only can - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 7:49 AM
          1. OK, so he stuttered in writing, he wrote 'the' twice. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:56 AM
            1. OK, maybe the question mark at the end would indicate some uncertainty - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 6:59 AM
            2. It's not the double the, tf is questioning the Trinity in a prayer to God. That is NOT a - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 1, 2014, 7:47 AM
              1. Have you been certain about every doctrine mentioned - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:45 AM
                1. tf did not ask for enlightening. He is a a convinced INC who gives a sh** about trinity. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 2, 2014, 1:31 PM
                  1. He did not mock God as he views him, he mocked your picture - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:38 PM
                    1. He mocked God. And so are you. You're an anti-trinitarian. And I never hated INC, I pity - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 8:28 PM
                      1. I am not anti-trinitarian, I believe the trinity theory is a possibility. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 9:11 PM
                      2. You're anti-trinitarian for at least two reasons: 1. You claim Jesus was created. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 29, 2014, 9:33 PM
                      3. You have a funny definition of anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 9:40 PM
                      4. I will not waste anymore time with you, and I'll be completely honest with you why - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 13, 2014, 9:53 PM
                      5. You say here that anyone who says Jesus is not God is anti-trinitarian. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
                      6. You're a hypocrite or a liar or both. You insist that Jesus was created, "a god". - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 1:58 PM
                      7. Every decent person is a hypocrite, since everyone sins. - Tomas on Jan 3, 2015, 1:02 AM
                      8. Any created being is not God. You created Jesus is not God. You're an anti-trinitarian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 12, 2015, 12:46 PM
                      9. You say any created being is not God. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:54 AM
                      10. Oh my, Tomas, you're getting desperate. If a created being would also be God - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 25, 2015, 3:10 PM
                      11. No, we would not have two Gods or more. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 5:36 AM
                      12. Open minded to the "Tomas Bible"? The "Holy Bible" doesn't have any basis for yo - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:23 PM
                      13. Open minded to trying to understand the Holy Bible, - Tomas on Feb 20, 2015, 11:47 PM
                      14. Look who is talking. The man who doesn't know Koine Greek. The man who doesn't understand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 7:39 AM
                      15. I can understand Koine Greek with the help of an interlinear - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 10:18 AM
                      16. I'm not superior. I only have proof without any doubt that you insist on an incorrect - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 11:49 AM
                      17. OK, so you think your proof is superior to my proof, - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:34 PM
                      18. Baloney.... - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:18 PM
                      19. OK, how about you asking your professor friend, how he would translate - Tomas on Feb 28, 2015, 3:05 AM
                      20. It took him but a minute. And what you THINK, was wrong. Again! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 28, 2015, 8:32 PM
                      21. OK, then ask him what word order rule makes the difference - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 12:16 AM
                      22. Why don't you go to Google Translate and do a little research yourself? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Mar 7, 2015, 9:06 AM
                      23. OK, thank you for these web sites so far. - Tomas on Mar 7, 2015, 11:41 AM
    2. In the NAME of whom does INC baptize? - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 11:00 AM
      1. In the NAME: Singular - only ONE, not Plural/Many - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:24 PM
        1. why did you capitalize the word NAME?? - tf on Oct 23, 2014, 3:17 AM
          1. For people like you who can't SEE clearly. Now, can you answer my question? - Michael on Oct 23, 2014, 5:34 AM
            1. i can see ckearly that u want to distort that passage.. - tf on Nov 6, 2014, 1:50 AM
              1. Then you say you see clearly is what is not there TF. - Michael on Nov 6, 2014, 9:04 AM
                1. where is clearly there? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:29 AM
                  1. Back to where you evade TF, do INC baptize in the name of the Father, & the Son, & the HS? - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:08 AM
      2. One yet of three: Father, Son, Holy Spirit - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:26 PM
        1. Amen to that! - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 21, 2014, 7:04 AM
        2. what verse? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 2:03 AM
          1. Are you still in kindergarten? Michael named you the verse right on top. Geeeeee - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 5:04 PM
            1. where??? - tf on Nov 17, 2014, 5:22 PM
              1. In what name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 17, 2014, 9:05 PM
                1. there is nothing declared in that verse mike tsk tsk - tf on Nov 18, 2014, 1:40 AM
                  1. Your total lack of grammar knowledge lets you also believe the other sheep, that Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 18, 2014, 7:36 AM
                  2. Why can't you tell in whose name does INC baptize TF? - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 11:34 AM
                    1. Michael, Tomas answered that. He attend at least one INC baptism, and they baptize in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Dec 27, 2014, 2:07 PM
                      1. Yes, and INCer TF apparently don't want to confess this. I don't know why he wouldn't. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 3:06 AM
              2. Here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/84590/message/1413741649/In+the+NAME+of+whom+does+INC - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 17, 2014, 11:09 PM
                1. where in that verse declared that the Thrre is 1 God? - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:24 AM
                  1. That happens to you when you don't know that "name" is singular. In other words, you're - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 13, 2015, 6:40 PM
      3. The apostles baptized only in the name of Christ. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 7:46 AM
        1. They did. And there goes your problem with Matthew 28:19. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:40 AM
          1. Just as Trinitarians are fixated in the Trinity, I am likwise fixated - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:48 PM
            1. And if my memory serves me right, INCquitor told me that he baptize accdg to Mt.28:19 - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 6:43 AM
              1. Did I say that? Force of habit acquired in the INC I guess. - INCquisitor on Jan 22, 2015, 3:48 PM
                1. Force of habit? What do you mean? - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:02 PM
                2. At least now INCquisitor, you admit to have been brainwashed and still hang over it. - Michael on Feb 1, 2015, 2:28 AM
            2. We are not fixated. We know grammar, unlike you. We know John 17:3 doesn't exclude - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 9, 2015, 4:14 PM
     
 
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