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The Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ) Doctrines

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  1. Tomas, I said this before but now I'll try to stick to it. You have insulted our Lord and View Thread - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 12:38 PM
    1. So Christians disagree on various doctrines. - Tomas on Feb 21, 2015, 1:08 PM
     
  2. Biblical questions for INCquisitor. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:49 AM
    1. INCquisitor, I see you're here. Perhaps you can respond to this thread. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 5:09 PM
    2. I'm glad you asked! - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 7:23 PM
      1. You are welcome. Thanks for not evading this time INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:42 AM
        1. Up fpr INCquisitor. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:21 AM
        2. You're welcome. Just a few corrections. - INCquisitor on Jan 21, 2015, 5:34 PM
          1. And a few more comments to your answers INCquisitor. - Michael on Feb 3, 2015, 8:54 AM
            1. Christ "purchased his church with his blood." - INCquisitor on Feb 4, 2015, 3:47 PM
              1. Let's get back to the questions INCquisitor. Everybody here already know that anyway. - Michael on Feb 5, 2015, 3:07 AM
                1. You only want to hear what you think. - INCquisitor on Feb 5, 2015, 4:11 PM
                  1. I hear only what scriptures say, and not what you make it out to say. - Michael on Feb 6, 2015, 6:51 AM
                    1. You only know PART of the WHOLE gospel of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 7, 2015, 7:32 PM
                      1. What are you complaining about INCquisitor? That is simply not the issue here. - Michael on Feb 8, 2015, 4:57 AM
                      2. What do you intend to achieve by your questions? - INCquisitor on Feb 8, 2015, 8:08 PM
                      3. To give glory to Jesus Christ, the one who saves. - Michael on Feb 9, 2015, 5:43 PM
                      4. Jesus said, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of heaven.. - INCquisitor on Feb 9, 2015, 7:39 PM
                      5. Jesus also said "whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life". - Michael on Feb 10, 2015, 7:17 AM
                      6. Believe in Christ and abide in his word. - INCquisitor on Feb 10, 2015, 5:24 PM
                      7. Jesus is my redeemer. Do you know what that means? - Michael on Feb 11, 2015, 8:08 AM
                      8. But you don't know HOW you are redeemed by the blood of Christ. - INCquisitor on Feb 12, 2015, 6:19 PM
                      9. Not true of course. And you don't know what it means when I say, Jesus is my redeemer - Michael on Feb 14, 2015, 9:48 AM
                      10. Christ redeems in accordance with God's PLAN of salvation. - INCquisitor on Feb 15, 2015, 5:11 PM
                      11. INCquisitor: Christ is my redeemer, the redeemer. Do you understand what that means? - Michael on Feb 18, 2015, 10:03 PM
                      12. I'm a bit confused, INCquisitor. Are you saying picking 1 Peter 1:18-19, believing in - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 19, 2015, 9:01 AM
                      13. It is wrong to pick 1 Peter 1:18-19 without taking into account - INCquisitor on Feb 20, 2015, 7:40 PM
                      14. I'm still confused: You're saying 1 Peter 1:18-19 is not telling the truth, aren't you? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 21, 2015, 9:08 AM
     
  3. Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God. View Thread - Michael on Jan 3, 2015, 7:35 PM
    1. the fact that he is the image is a proof that he is not the God - tf on Jan 13, 2015, 2:28 AM
      1. Oh yeah? Why did you stop reading? >>>>For by Him all things were created, both in the - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 14, 2015, 8:31 PM
        1. he is the assigned mediator of all things by God - tf on Feb 13, 2015, 6:30 PM
      2. The invisible God manifested Himself. How? By being visible. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:44 AM
    2. Crazy. Only you can imagine God being in front of a mirror. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 7:24 AM
      1. It's an analogy INCquisitor. Don't know what an analogy is? - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 10:46 AM
        1. I know, it's an anology, Michael, but not a good one. In your mirror image, you right hand - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2015, 4:06 PM
          1. The Bible does not say "exact." That's ADDING to the word of God. - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:18 PM
            1. You misunderstood "exact". It was to distinguish from the side changing mirror image. So, - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 17, 2015, 9:20 PM
              1. An MRI reveals the internal organs of a person. - INCquisitor on Jan 18, 2015, 7:50 PM
                1. Blablabla...the MRI was only an example to make it clear to an unwitting person. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 9:35 AM
                  1. You say Jesus is YOUR God. Is Jesus YOUR God NOT trustworthy? - INCquisitor on Jan 19, 2015, 4:58 PM
                    1. As I said, I'm being nice to you, why are you getting ugly? Is being ugly good Christian - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 9:14 PM
          2. As I said, it's an analogy and that there is no perfect analogy when it comes to God. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 11:55 PM
            1. With an imperfect analogy -- as you yourself admit it is -- you're opening yourself to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 18, 2015, 10:11 AM
              1. Justified criticism Guenter? Those who don't know the purpose of an analogy has a problem. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 5:16 PM
                1. There is is no perfect analgy when it comes to God? Why then does Jesus give us countless - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 10:09 AM
                  1. Yes Guenter. Perhaps you can cite scriptures so I can follow you. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 5:06 PM
                    1. Oh yes, it is. H2O is always the same. It always has the same properties, They never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:14 PM
                      1. Right, and that's the point of the analogy of H2O. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 6:42 AM
                      2. OK, I'm getting tired arguing with you. Let's agree that you are always right. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:25 AM
                      3. Now, don't be mad. If you're tired, I understand. - Michael on Jan 21, 2015, 6:05 AM
                2. By the way, a mirror image is just a physical image. Jesus is more than that. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 2:02 PM
                  1. Guenter, don't go beyond the purpose and point of the analogy. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 4:57 PM
                    1. Michael, you cam up with the mirror image, which by definition is nothing but a physical - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:18 PM
                    2. Michael, you came up with the mirror image, which by definition is nothing but a physical - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 19, 2015, 8:18 PM
                      1. Guenter, focus on the point of the analogy, not elsewhere. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 7:09 AM
                      2. Here lies your problem: "one would see exactly an image of himself in the mirror. NO, Sir. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 20, 2015, 8:23 AM
        2. It's a crazy analogy which only you can believe! - INCquisitor on Jan 17, 2015, 6:11 PM
          1. You go nuts about it INCquisitor for you can't refute the truth it illustrates. - Michael on Jan 18, 2015, 12:12 AM
            1. Christ and God are 2 different living entities - tf on Feb 13, 2015, 6:32 PM
              1. Not so fast! The mirror image analogy is incorrect and has no biblical support. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Feb 13, 2015, 10:23 PM
     
  4. Post what you preach here: What is the good news or gospel of your God? View Thread - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:56 AM
    1. All the doctrines necessary for salvation, are the gospel. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:06 AM
      1. "Are the gospel"? Tomas you apparently don't know what the "gospel" IS. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 10:05 AM
        1. Well, I believe you don't know what the gospel is. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:03 PM
          1. Of course. For apparently, we don't preach the same gospel Tomas. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:42 AM
            1. We preach the same gospel, but you don't know what belongs in the gospel. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 4:47 AM
              1. No Tomas. The gospel you preach is different from the gospel the apostles preached. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 8:00 AM
                1. Well, it is not my fault that more and more requirements - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:59 AM
                  1. What fault are you talking about Tomas? - Michael on Jan 25, 2015, 9:07 AM
                    1. Not my fault but God's wisdom. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 8:10 AM
     
  5. Questions for Tomas. View Thread - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:51 AM
    1. I would have thought such questions would make more sense when - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 5:42 AM
      1. It should make sense to all Tomas. - Michael on Jan 27, 2015, 7:37 AM
        1. Clearly we agree on most doctrines here. - Tomas on Feb 7, 2015, 7:38 AM
     
  6. JESUS IS GOD View Thread - paul on Jan 8, 2008, 12:13 AM
    1. Where in the Philippines are you ? I will be there next week - Guenter on Jan 8, 2008, 4:43 PM
    2. Greetings Paul - I have some info for you - Jason on Jan 8, 2008, 7:58 PM
    3. Thomas will never contradict Jesus statement.. - OK4 on Jan 8, 2008, 9:35 PM
      1. Thomas agrees with Jesus's Claims that he is God - Jason on Jan 8, 2008, 10:00 PM
        1. Jesus never claimed that he is God... - OK4 on Jan 9, 2008, 5:44 AM
      2. What was Thomas's statement that made Jesus say that he believed? - Saleem Sinai on Jan 9, 2008, 12:08 AM
        1. Questions for you Saleem... - OK4 on Jan 9, 2008, 5:52 AM
          1. Wat was Thomas's expression of belief? - Saleem Sinai on Jan 9, 2008, 4:47 PM
      3. Ok4 jumped from John 20:17 to John 20:27. But notice in just a few minutes. - VoiceintheWilderness on Jan 9, 2008, 10:35 AM
    4. Element of suprise is the big part of it. - ETE on Jan 9, 2008, 10:17 AM
      1. bump from the past... - Mervy on Jan 26, 2015, 1:23 PM
      2. I don't believe Thomas was surprised to see Jesus. - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 7:18 PM
        1. You suspect? There is not a single Greek script that does NOT have the phrase "and - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 1:08 PM
          1. Maybe I'm wrong. Thomas might have turned Trinitarian at that time. - INCquisitor on Jan 28, 2015, 6:19 PM
            1. Common sense dictates that The Bible is the word of God. God inspired the Apostles to - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 7:15 PM
    5. The phrase, "and my God" must have been ADDED by Trinitarian translators.... - INCquisitor on Jan 27, 2015, 7:02 PM
      1. Another verse trashed? - Michael on Jan 28, 2015, 8:38 AM
      2. Sure, and the word ALONE in John 17:3 is not even there, it must have been erased by ALL - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jan 28, 2015, 12:44 PM
     
  7. The Son of Man ascended to heaven, to where He was before. What does this tell you? View Thread - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:24 AM
    1. John 6:62 is a parable like the parables written from - INCquisitor on Jul 8, 2014, 4:55 AM
      1. John 6:62 , a parable? - Michael on Jul 8, 2014, 12:52 PM
        1. Of course John 6:62 is a parable. - INCquisitor on Jul 10, 2014, 5:46 PM
          1. Of course it's not. There is nothing parabolic in this statement of Jesus. - Michael on Jul 10, 2014, 11:07 PM
            1. Is there a verse that says where Jesus was before literally? - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 7:08 PM
              1. You have not properly responded to my post INCquisitor. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 8:29 PM
              2. There are many verses in the Bible in which Jesus said: "The Father has sent me." - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 7:06 AM
                1. John wrote that he was sent from God (John 1:6). - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:37 PM
                  1. No, because he didn't exist before all things were created, like Jesus. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 10:13 AM
                    1. Jesus was talking metaphorically. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:41 PM
                      1. Yeah right......metaphorically. In your dreams...metaphorically speaking. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 3:57 PM
              3. Where was Jesus before? - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 2:45 PM
              4. Where did Jesus ascend to? What do Luke and Mark tell us where He ascended to? If you - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 28, 2014, 7:32 AM
    2. Yes, Jesus was in heaven before, probably in his preexistence, - Tomas on Jul 11, 2014, 7:20 PM
      1. Certainly, the Son was in heaven before He came down to do His Father's will on earth. - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 2:06 AM
        1. Please show scripture that says "the son was in heaven before - INCquistor on Jul 13, 2014, 7:12 PM
          1. John 6:38 - Michael on Jul 13, 2014, 8:37 PM
            1. John 6:38 does not make Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:24 PM
              1. You asked for scripture. Do you deny the verse I cited [John 6:38]? - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 11:28 PM
                1. Christ's coming from heaven does not mean he WAS God. - INCquisitor on Jul 19, 2014, 5:57 PM
                  1. The undeniable truth is that Christ came from heaven. He came from God. - Michael on Jul 19, 2014, 7:53 PM
                    1. Don't you understand what the words "only" and "true" mean? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:56 PM
                      1. In that case, you read scriptures as a list of isolated statements. No context whatsoever. - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 9:03 PM
          2. John 17:5 Jesus enjoyed glory with His Father even before the world began. - Dean O'Gowan on Jul 13, 2014, 8:51 PM
            1. Exactly. If someone shares something with you, you have to exist. Nobody can share - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 18, 2014, 7:12 AM
              1. Tell me wise guy, what was Jesus before the world began? - INCquisitor on Jul 18, 2014, 7:33 PM
                1. God. He is the Word. [John 1:1, Rev. 19:13] - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 10:51 PM
                  1. Does John 1:1 tell us that Jesus is the word? - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:28 PM
                    1. INCquisitor, you still can't see who John testifies about in his writings? - Michael on Jul 20, 2014, 7:11 PM
                      1. Apparently, INCquisitor again is stalled by this post. - Michael on Jul 24, 2014, 10:31 AM
                2. He was the Archangel, or God the Son, or both, or neither. - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 10:56 PM
                3. The Word, you wise guy. It became flesh = baby boy. Now, with whom shared God the glory - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 19, 2014, 9:52 AM
                  1. Show me scripture that says Jesus WAS the word that became flesh. - INCquisitor on Jul 20, 2014, 3:44 PM
                    1. Who else became flesh? Nobody? - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Jul 20, 2014, 3:53 PM
                4. Where was Jesus? - inhinyero on Aug 28, 2014, 3:05 PM
          3. UP FOR FCCC INCquisitor - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 12:34 AM
        2. Michael, tell me when did Jesus ascend to heaven before John 3:13. - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 10:41 PM
          1. Tomas, Jesus was referring to the immediate time when He descended & become flesh. - Michael on Jul 18, 2014, 11:00 PM
            1. But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Tomas on Jul 18, 2014, 11:27 PM
              1. Re: But in that verse he also asserted he was the only man - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 2:57 AM
                1. OK then, I will then look for your other posts and respond there. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 7:56 AM
          2. Let me answer this again Tomas. - Michael on Jul 22, 2014, 7:30 AM
            1. He clearly told Nicodemus he has ascended to heaven, not - Tomas on Jul 26, 2014, 1:16 AM
              1. Jesus was in heaven, in His Father's heart? - Michael on Aug 4, 2014, 2:47 AM
                1. Exactly, in his loving heart. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 8:51 AM
                  1. Well then Tomas, so be it with you. - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 11:07 AM
                    1. Well, then Michael, so be it with you. - Tomas on Aug 9, 2014, 11:59 AM
                      1. Tomas, where is the lie in what I posted? - Michael on Aug 9, 2014, 1:04 PM
                      2. In your interpretation, Jesus would have lied by using the wrong tenses. - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 9:53 AM
                      3. Not so Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 4:08 AM
                      4. But yes so, Michael. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 7:41 AM
                      5. And so Tomas - Michael on Sep 2, 2014, 10:32 AM
                      6. Ascending to heaven, creation. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 10:21 AM
                      7. Re: Ascending to heaven, creation. - Michael on Oct 1, 2014, 12:28 PM
                      8. Is the Son of God, God? - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 8:10 AM
                      9. Yes Tomas. - Michael on Oct 10, 2014, 12:26 PM
                      10. OK, but that does not prove he is God. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 1:28 PM
                      11. To you, that is. - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 3:21 AM
                      12. To me yes, but it is better if all Christians think the same. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 5:37 AM
                      13. Re: To me yes, but it is better if all Christians think the same. - Michael on Nov 15, 2014, 9:19 AM
                      14. OK, more discussion. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 10:40 PM
                      15. Re: OK, more discussion. - Michael on Jan 17, 2015, 11:21 PM
                      16. More discussion. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 8:19 AM
    3. Whatever John 6:62 says, Jesus tells me that he is a MAN (John 8:40) and... - INCquisitor on Oct 24, 2014, 4:23 AM
      1. I know what John 8:40 and John 17:3 tells you. Perhaps John 6:62 tells you nothing - Michael on Oct 24, 2014, 8:07 AM
        1. John 6:62 does not tell me that Jesus is God. - INCquisitor on Oct 26, 2014, 5:25 AM
          1. Amazing answer. You know what John 6:62 does not tell you, yet not know what it says. - Michael on Oct 26, 2014, 9:12 AM
     
  8. John 20:27-29: Do not be unbelieving, but believing. View Thread - Michael on Oct 17, 2014, 1:34 AM
    1. Thomas did not believe that Jesus had RISEN. That's all. - INCquisitor on Oct 17, 2014, 4:35 PM
      1. Re: Thomas did not believe that Jesus had RISEN. That's all. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 1:47 AM
        1. Michael, look at the Greek inspired translation of what Thomas said. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 2:36 AM
          1. I already did Tomas, even before you ask me to. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 3:38 AM
            1. Of course Thomas was amazed. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:04 AM
              1. We can only speculate that Tomas. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 6:44 AM
                1. OK, surprised or not, he was talking about the Father. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 7:24 AM
                  1. Well, if that's what you want to believe. - Michael on Oct 18, 2014, 10:28 AM
                    1. Well, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:45 PM
                      1. Re: Well, that's how I see it in the Bible. - Michael on Oct 22, 2014, 2:43 PM
                      2. I still think that is likely what Thomas meant. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:40 AM
                      3. I'm really not surprised that you had two semesters of Homeric Greek, take on the true - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 2, 2014, 2:12 PM
                      4. So just because Homer lived several centuries before John, - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 11:34 PM
                      5. Well, think as you may Tomas. - Michael on Nov 9, 2014, 5:29 AM
                      6. You think as you want about his deity, but when you go further, - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 1:25 AM
                      7. Tomas: my comments - Michael on Dec 14, 2014, 4:27 AM
                      8. Michael: My comments to your comments. - Tomas on Dec 27, 2014, 12:44 AM
                      9. Tomas, my comments. - Michael on Jan 19, 2015, 2:38 AM
                      10. More discussion about Christ. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 6:25 AM
     
  9. Michael, do you agree with me that divorce is sin except if the unbelieving spouse View Thread - Tomas on Aug 16, 2014, 7:15 AM
    1. Here's what I can say to that Tomas. - Michael on Aug 23, 2014, 11:11 AM
      1. So we agree in part. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 10:46 AM
        1. Re: So we agree in part. - Michael on Sep 2, 2014, 11:08 AM
          1. Did you flip-flop on the issue of adultery? - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 9:02 AM
            1. I did not. - Michael on Oct 11, 2014, 5:50 AM
              1. OK, since then you believe the divorced for adultery can't remarry, you're close to my - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 5:56 AM
                1. More on divorce. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 10:54 AM
                  1. So you think only an unsaved person can commit adultery? - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 12:30 PM
                    1. Not at all Tomas. I don't know where in my post can you imply that. - Michael on Nov 1, 2014, 12:45 PM
                      1. But you had said, that based on Matthew verses, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:06 PM
                      2. On divorce, as defined in the Bible. - Michael on Nov 10, 2014, 11:27 PM
                      3. Then divorce is useless, if you can't remarry. - Tomas on Dec 14, 2014, 12:50 AM
                      4. Tomas, divorce really is not God's will & was not permitted for the purpose of remarriage. - Michael on Dec 25, 2014, 1:12 PM
                      5. Divorce to avoid harming one another? - Tomas on Dec 26, 2014, 7:10 PM
                      6. Divorce, to live in peace as it is God's calling for each of us. - Michael on Jan 1, 2015, 1:53 AM
                      7. Divorce for adultery is sin and we are not to live in sin. - Tomas on Jan 2, 2015, 10:41 PM
                      8. Tomas, try to understand what I said about divorce. Agree or refute it. - Michael on Jan 10, 2015, 1:30 AM
                      9. When God allows something, it is not a sin, after all, it is allowed. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 5:08 AM
                      10. I have a number of questions for you Tomas. Please address them. - Michael on Jan 20, 2015, 8:35 AM
                      11. OK, I will address them. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 4:07 AM
            2. Question to both of you. The Philippines do not allow divorce, it's illegal. But they - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 9:10 AM
              1. My answer. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:02 AM
                1. Annulments in the Philippines are not attacked by the Catholic Church there, only divorce. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 10:06 AM
                  1. How about you? what is your take on divorce and annulment? - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:12 AM
                    1. I'm not sure. Years ago I attended a service at an United Methodist church. Their pastor - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 13, 2014, 10:21 AM
                      1. Well, I'm rather sad than surprised. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 12:24 AM
                      2. You said: "...because of the hardness of man's heart, divorce was allowed." Doesn't that - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2014, 8:27 AM
                      3. Not really Guenter. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 2:56 PM
                      4. To be honest with you, I don't understand why Moses had the power to permit divorce. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 14, 2014, 4:06 PM
                      5. Guenter, Moses was the chosen prophet of God of Israel back then. - Michael on Oct 14, 2014, 11:12 PM
                      6. If God permitted divorce at Moses' time, when did God change His mind? I thought, he never - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 16, 2014, 2:37 PM
                      7. I think you didn't quite understand me there Guenter, when I said - Michael on Oct 16, 2014, 5:29 PM
                      8. Thanks, Michael, I think I got it. - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Nov 3, 2014, 9:51 PM
              2. My answer. - Michael on Oct 13, 2014, 10:02 AM
              3. Guenter, the Philippines allow Muslims to divorce, but not Christians. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 6:37 AM
                1. Thank you, Tomas. Another question to you and Michael: Is divorce one of those sins Jesus - Guenter (EX-INC Bible Student) on Oct 19, 2014, 8:13 AM
                  1. Re: Thank you, Tomas. Another question to you and Michael: Is divorce one of those sins Jesus - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:58 AM
                  2. I agree with Michael, Jesus died for all sins, - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 2:01 PM
     
  10. INCquisitor: On Eph.2:15, the One New Man (others are welcome to join) View Thread - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:01 AM
    1. Important correction! Missing word* in CAPS! Sorry about that. - Michael on Aug 21, 2014, 10:27 AM
      1. Oh, you don't agree. Too bad. - Tomas on Aug 30, 2014, 4:01 PM
        1. So you agree with INC and FCCC. That's what's too bad Tomas. - Michael on Sep 3, 2014, 4:46 AM
          1. Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Tomas on Sep 13, 2014, 8:36 AM
            1. Re: Here is why I find your interpretation inadequate. - Michael on Sep 30, 2014, 11:52 AM
              1. The head of the body, the church. - Tomas on Oct 4, 2014, 9:15 AM
                1. Re: The head of the body, the church. - Michael on Oct 7, 2014, 3:06 AM
                  1. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Oct 18, 2014, 8:39 PM
                    1. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Oct 19, 2014, 9:12 AM
                      1. Still more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 1, 2014, 9:52 PM
                      2. Re: Still more about the head and the body. - Michael on Nov 18, 2014, 5:14 PM
                      3. And more about the head and the body. - Tomas on Nov 29, 2014, 7:21 PM
                      4. Tomas: More about the head and the body. - Michael on Dec 8, 2014, 5:51 AM
                      5. Michael: More about the head and the body. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 3:34 AM
                      6. Tomas: More about the new man, with Christ as the head, and the church, the body - MIchael on Dec 13, 2014, 8:02 AM
                      7. Yes, more about all that. - Tomas on Dec 13, 2014, 12:52 PM
                      8. Re: Yes, more about all that. - Michael on Jan 4, 2015, 1:40 AM
                      9. More about the head of the body. - Tomas on Jan 10, 2015, 9:59 AM
                      10. Re: More about the head of the body. - Michael on Jan 22, 2015, 4:52 PM
                      11. More about this. - Tomas on Jan 25, 2015, 1:17 AM
     
 
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