Psa 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Who is Melchizedek?
Hbr 7:1 This Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God Most High. He met Abraham returning from the defeat of the kings and blessed him,
What is a Preist?
Exd 29:30 That son who becomes priest in his place shall put them on for seven days, when he enters the tabernacle of meeting to minister in the holy [place].
So a Priest Ministers in the Holy Place.
Jesus the High Preist after the Order of Melchizedek.
Hbr 6:20 where Jesus, who went before us, has entered on our behalf. He has become a high priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
In the End the Lord will be victorious, will shatter heads over the whole earth.
Psa 110:6 He will punish the nations and fill them with their dead; he will shatter heads over the whole earth.
Yes, Davaoguy2, Jesus does have a beginning, Melchizedek
May 29 2009, 10:16 PM
does not. But the Bible does not make it clear when was Jesus created. Some verses seem to say he was created before the world, other verses seem to say he was created inside Mary. But since there is no contradiction, we have to conclude we don't know. But I believe Jesus will explain to us all those verses and all other difficult verses when he returns.
Concerning your question of what does it mean that Christ is a priest of the order of Melchizedek, clearly Melchizedek established an order of priesthood, preceding the Aaronic priesthood and being superior to it. Melchizedek was the first priest of the order, and Jesus became another priest of the order. There is no evidence that the Melchizedek priesthood was hereditary, unlike the Aaronic priesthood.
I'm not rejecting Christian messengers, I'm one of them.
June 4 2009, 3:24 AM
I love all Christian messengers as brethren in Christ, regardless whether they are INC, Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Jehovah's Witnesses, Oneness Pentecostal, Trinitarian Pentecostal, etc. They are all sent by Jesus, as am I too.
Jehoshapat King of Judah, was friends with King Ahab a Baalist. Does the lord Allow that?
June 6 2009, 4:54 AM
It is clear that your Love is genuine, God loves you, He really does. However, you cannot love the Lord God of Israel yet love those who have Denied him.
2 Chronicles 19:2
And Jesu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD?
King Jehoshaphat allied himself with Evil King Ahab.
2 Chronicles 18:1
Now Jehoshaphat had riches and honour in abundance, and joined affinity with Ahab.
Ahab was an Evil Baal worshipper.
I Kings 16:31
And it came pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jorobam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.
How can a Man of God like yourself love the Antichrist? The Pope of Rome is called HOLY FATHER, this inspite of the fact that Jesus said:
Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
The Pope being this FAKE HOLY FATHER as the Vicar or Substitute of Jesus Christ. The Roman Pope is Vicar of Jesus Christ according to, ofcourse, himself and the catholics.
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (Washington, DC: US Catholic Conference, 1994, 1997) #882.]
Thus, the Roman Pope has manifested in the flesh THE CANCELLATION OF THE WORD OF GOD -The Son. He has Denied the Father in Heaven of being the ONLY FATHER ON ALL EARTH, and he has Denied the Son, by REPLACING JESUS.
1Jo 2:22 ...He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Tomas, you shall have to rethink your position in Faith.
At that time they were not to love enemies. But when Christ came, he gave us a new command, to love our enemies. And we are especially supposed to love fellow Christians, even Christians with many flawed teachings, like the pope. He does consider himself Christ's representative on earth, but still, he does not say he is his replacement, he says we are to worship Christ, not the pope.
Jesus and his Doctrine in John 17.1-3 is the way to eternal life and salvation.
June 24 2009, 6:42 AM
Jhn 17:1 Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You
Jhn 17:3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
Jhn 7:28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.
Jhn 8:26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
However, you deny the Father as the Only True God. Thus you have no eternal life. Not Saved in short, according to the scriptures.
Davaoguy2, do you observe the 7 holidays of Lev. 23?
June 25 2009, 2:29 AM
Or do you observe the laws against eating pork, shellfish etc.? Of course the law has been changed. Look at the next verse in Matthew, 5:18, "Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place". Note the last part, until all things have taken place, that ends with the crucifixion. Note Col. 2:14, the law was nailed to the cross. So that is when that happened. That is why already in Acts 10, Peter is told to eat the formerly unclean animals. Then in Acts 15, Christians are told that circumcision and other laws are not required. So no need to wait until heaven and earth pass away.
No. I obey Jesus'es commandments Only. Love, Enter, Abide, among others.
July 5 2009, 1:36 PM
Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Jhn 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.
Ezekiel 18.20 Jesus saved Himself. He Saved his Own Body, The Church.
August 1 2009, 12:00 PM
Eze 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
No Change of Law from that point in time. Jesus fulfilled the Law.
That verse is not relevant about change of the Law.
August 6 2009, 3:48 AM
The Law was fulfilled by Jesus, that is very true. But when he died, it was abolished, nailed to the cross. So that is why you don't have to obey the 7 holidays of Lev. 23, or to avoid pork, shellfish etc., or to have your sons circumcised, etc. That is all nailed to the cross.
You cannot be a True Christian yet love The Roman Pope, the antichrist.
June 6 2009, 4:55 AM
It is clear that your Love is genuine, God loves you, He really does. However, you cannot love the Lord God of Israel yet love those who have rejected him.
2 Chronicles 19:2
And Jesu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD?
King Jehoshaphat allied himself with Evil King Ahab.
2 Chronicles 18:1
Now Jehoshaphat had riches and honour in abundance, and joined affinity with Ahab.
Ahab was an Evil Baal worshipper.
I Kings 16:31
And it came pass, as if it had been a light thing for him to walk in the sins of Jorobam the son of Nebat, that he took to wife Jezebel the daughter of Ethbaal king of the Zidonians, and went and served Baal, and worshipped him.
How can a Man of God like yourself love the Antichrist? The Pope of Rome is called HOLY FATHER, this inspite of the fact that Jesus said:
Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
The Pope being this FAKE HOLY FATHER as the Vicar or Substitute of Jesus Christ. The Roman Pope is Vicar of Jesus Christ according to, ofcourse, himself and the catholics.
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition (Washington, DC: US Catholic Conference, 1994, 1997) #882.]
Thus, the Roman Pope has manifested in the flesh THE CANCELLATION OF THE WORD OF GOD -The Son. He has Denied the Father in Heaven of being the ONLY FATHER ON ALL EARTH, and he has Denied the Son, by REPLACING JESUS.
1Jo 2:22 ...He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Tomas, you shall have to rethink your position in Faith.
Enemies of Christianity are accursed, but we should love them.
June 18 2009, 9:53 AM
Jesus himself said "Love your enemies". He said it in Matt. 5:44, Luke 6:27 and 6:35. In Matt. 5:44 he added "bless them that curse you". So if a Muslim curses you, then you should bless him.
They are under God's curse, and they are our enemies. But Jesus told us to love our enemies. We should love them so much, that we should want their salvation. Paul persecuted the Christians, he was accursed. But Christians loved him, were praying for him, and one day, on the road to Damascus, Jesus appeared to him, and won him to Christianity.
If thine enemy asks for water, you give them water. But not call them Father.
June 26 2009, 1:21 AM
Luk 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
Mat 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
My Church is the body of Christ, including many denominations.
July 4 2009, 3:01 AM
One of them is the INC, so if you agree with INC, and you repented, you are already in our Church.
Concerning the kingdom, it is used in two ways in the Bible. One is the future kingdom when Jesus comes back and rules the world, that is the kingdom you mentioned.
The other kingdom is the Church. See for example Mark 9:1, where Jesus said that some standing with him would not die until they see the kingdom of God standing with power. They did see the coming of the Church with power.
See also Col. 1:13 "... has translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son". So we have been translated into the kingdom already.
Likewise see Rev. 1:9 "I John, who also am your brother and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ...". So John was in the kingdom already.
So that kingdom is the Church.
It was held in Nicea, now in Turkey. And Constantine moved his capital to the new city of Constantinople, now called Istanbul. He did not believe the bishop of Rome was the head of the church. So it has nothing to do with Rome.
The council of Nicea made some bad decisions, but did not abandon the gospel. The bad decisions concerned matters not relevant to the gospel.
The churches of Corinth never considered the bishop of Rome as the infallible head of the church. They honored him, until the Roman church made innovations unacceptable to the Eastern church, so the split into Catholic church and Orthodox church happened. And the churches of Corinth followed the Orthodox church. Maybe now there is also a Catholic church in Corinth, but there might not be, Corinth is not a large city.
So what happened is the church of Corinth got divided into several congregations, most followed the errors of the council of Nicea, but did not abandon the gospel.
Yes, but the Babylon on 7 hills in Revelation refers to pagan Rome.
July 18 2009, 7:51 AM
That was the Rome that persecuted the church. And by extension it refers to all false religion, which was at that time dominated by pagan Rome. Constantine being Roman had nothing to do with it. Both Peter and Paul ended up in Rome. Paul was even a citizen of the Roman empire.
Babylon on 7 Hills is Rome, the Roman Catholic Church.
July 29 2009, 10:59 AM
Woman, an evil harlot church.
Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
When John was writing this, Rome was a headquarters of Roman paganism, that was persecuting the Church. That was the headquarters of Satan, who was trying to destroy the Church. But thankfully he did not succeed, the gates of hell did not prevail against the Church. The Church even became dominant in Rome, to Satan's disgust. Though he is now counterattacking, winning many Romans to secular materialism.
The Woman is a Widow, once a Wife with a Husband. She was the Church of Christ in Rome.
July 31 2009, 5:45 AM
This Babylon which sits on 7 hills [Rome], once was NOT a habitation of devils, and foul spirits.
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
Although a Widow, she sits a Queen.
Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
The Church of Christ in Rome which had Fallen lived deliciously. Is this not what we see today?
The Roman Catholic Church is awash with Money. Yet at this present time, this church is being ripped and battered by Governments.
This church is not living so deliciously anymore, for The Beasts are Eating her Flesh at this very moment, ;lawsuits and compensation in cash and properties confiscation earned governments loads of cash, while those that have been subjected to abuse by Roman Catholic Preists, some are now enjoying the benefits brought to them by governments, while there are many staking claim for the same goods.
No, the woman is a widow because Christianity took over
July 31 2009, 10:04 PM
Rome. Her imagined husband was the Roman gods, not Jesus. It was Roman paganism that was persecuting the Church when Revelation was written. But now Roman paganism is dead, nobody believes in it any more. Unless it was resurrected, like I read a few Greeks now believe in Greek paganism. But very few, so if Roman paganism was resurrected too, it is very small too. And other types of paganism are decreasing too, all over the world.
So the woman Babylon the Great is hoping to increase with new false gospels. So far some are successful, like Islam, that is increasing. Though it is increasing mainly because they have a lot of babies, but few converts from outside. But shortly before the end, when the antichrist comes, all religion will be outlawed, and that will be the death of Babylon the Great.
Ahem. Your question is funny. On what Hill? Singular? Woman sits on 7 Hills: Rome.
August 5 2009, 7:14 AM
The 7 Hills is Rome.
Why are you asking on what HILL? The woman does not sit on just One Hill, but on the 7 Hills, otherwise known as ROME.
Prophecy Fulfilled.
Tradition holds that the seven hills were first occupied by small settlements and not grouped or recognized as a city called Rome.
The denizens of the seven hills began to participate in a series of religious games, which started to bond the groups. The city of Rome, thus, came into being as these separate settlements acted as a group, draining the marshy valleys between them and turning them into markets and fora.
The Seven Hills of Rome east of the river Tiber form the geographical heart of Rome, within the walls of the ancient city.
The seven hills are:
Aventine Hill (Aventinus)
Caelian Hill (Caelius)
Capitoline Hill (Capitolinus)
Esquiline Hill (Esquilinus)
Palatine Hill (Palatinus)
Quirinal Hill (Quirinalis)
Viminal Hill (Viminalis)
The original city was held by tradition to have been founded by Romulus on the Palatine Hill.
The seven hills of early Rome – the Cermalus, Palatium, and Velia (the three peaks of the Palatine Hill), the Cispius, Fagutalis, and Oppius (the three peaks of the Esquiline Hill), and the Sucusa – figured prominently in Roman mythology, religion, and politics.[clarification needed]
Mr. Davao, if you are referring to Pope Benedict XVI, he's not Roman. He's German.
and his predecessor Pope John Paul II was not Roman either. He's Polish.
So what Roman pope are you talking about?
Jesus created the office of Peter when he (Jesus) created his church and made Peter the visible head of his church and gave him the keys to the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus did not give any key to the kingdom of heaven to Felix Manalo nor his son Erano Manalo. Therefore Felix Manalo has no authority whatsoever.
So why do you belong to the church founded by Felix Manalo?
The Pope of the Roman Catholic church, everybody knows what I meant.
June 10 2009, 6:14 AM
what are you like?
The Pope of the Roman Catholic Church, is the Pope of the Roman Church, wether they are from Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Iceland, America, Britain, Germany, Russia, or wherever else.
Iglesia church has no priesthood and do not share in the order of Melchizedek.
June 7 2009, 8:49 AM
The Order of Melchizedek
My next column for the Catholic Telegraph runs this week. I started this particular column about 6 different times since I've been writing for the CT, finally got it fleshed out like I wanted:
Contrary to what might be expected, the first priest mentioned in the Bible is not from the Tribe of Levi. In fact, the first priest is described before Levi is even born. In Genesis 14, we are introduced to Melchizedek, who is described as ‘Priest of God Most High.’ Identified in Psalm 110 and extensively reflected upon in the Letter to the Hebrews, Melchizedek remains an elusive figure in the Scripture. Even so, he appears in the Roman Canon at Mass, today’s priests are ordained to ‘the Order of Melchizedek,’ and his appearance in Genesis forms the basis of some of our theology of the priesthood. As we begin the Year for Priests, it behooves us to reflect more deeply upon this King of Righteousness.
The first question that arises is regarding Melchizedek’s very identity: who is he? His appearance in Genesis 14 is quite minimal and set at a point very early on in Abram’s faith journey, as Abram defeats several war lords in the land of Canaan. Identified in the Scripture as ‘King of Salem,’ ancient Jewish sources see him as the leader of the entire area, a wise sage of a man whom the rest must respect. But this does not answer the question of his identity. We must look back even further.
As Abram presents Melchizedek with a tithe, Melchizedek gives him a blessing in return. Here is the hint we’ve been looking for! The last person to receive a blessing was the oldest son of Noah: Shem. Adding up the dates of Shem’s life, we learn that he was actually still alive during Abram’s time, and in fact outlived Abraham!
Blessings at this time in history were not things that could be easily exchanged, once they were given, they could not be taken back. (See Jacob’s stealing of Issac’s paternal blessing from his older brother Esau.) Blessings are tangible things, so Melchizedek/Shem must still have the one given to him by his father, Noah; and he now passes it on to his descendent Abram, the one chosen by God to be the father of many nations.
All of these identities have priestly functions, but it is taken to an even greater degree when we see what Melchizedek offers as a priest, for priests offer sacrifices and Melchizedek offers a sacrifice of bread and wine. This sets off signal flares in the eyes of a Catholic, for our priests also offer sacrifices of bread and wine, now fulfilled in Christ to be His very Body and Blood.
What becomes important for today is that the priesthood in which Catholic Priests share, and by extension that all the baptized share in as well, goes back not just to the Sacrifice in the Jerusalem Temple, but back to the very foundations of creation by God. Melchizedek is identified as ‘a priest forever’ in Psalm 110, his priesthood continues on into the ages. The Catholic Priest, in the place of Christ the Head, also shares in this eternal priesthood, continually offering a sacrifice of bread and wine before God in Heaven.
Uniting all of this into one, we see God’s divine plan in the scope of Salvation History. That Jesus came when he did is not some type of accidental occurrence, but had been planned out from before by our Loving Father. God wants to give us the tools to return to His presence in Heaven. Let us therefore rejoice that Christ left us with the great gift of the priesthood, that He continues to choose men to serve Him in this way, so that we might all come to worship Him forever around his altar in heaven.
Davaoguy, please don't invent another doctrine. Stick to the 28 Fundamental Doctrines of
June 28 2009, 9:49 PM
the Iglesia ni Cristo founded by Felix Manalo.
The Order of Melchizedek is established by God as a sacrament of royal priesthood, once (ordained) a priest, then he's a priest forever. If he has disgraced his office, he may be barred from saying the mass but he's still a priest forever. This means he still has the power to forgive sins and perform baptism.
Was Felix Manalo ever ordained? If not, then he has no priestly powers. He's no different from street preachers con artists.
Don't invent anymore new doctrines. You only make a fool of yourself. You have no authority to interpret the Scripture, just like Tomas who has in his mind made himself a leader of his invisible church, and just like you who claim to belong to a church in the wilderness with no people!
Davaoguy, do you wear a wedding band? If you do, then you are carrying a pagan
July 2 2009, 6:31 PM
practice. Wedding bands are of pagan origins. Therefore you are pagan too.
Not everything pagan is evil. In fact many Filipino folklores are pagan origins.
The planets are name after pagan gods: Jupiter, Saturn, Mars, Venus, Neptune, etc.
Calendar months are also name after pagan gods. Tell us what is a Christian calendar?
Science, mathematics and philosophy are taught by pagan scholars.
“Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."; (1 Samuel 15:3)
You don't agree that it is heartless to kill women, children, infants, and animals?
What is therefore loving about killing women, children, infants and animals?
OMG!!! You want me to agree with you that God is heartless?!! No!!
July 3 2009, 4:32 AM
No! You really are of the Evil One. But may the LORD who has MERCY bring you back, you are still alive, you still have a chance. Go and serve him instead of accusing Him.
She's horrible! calling her god heartless! I'm pretty sure I don't know this kind of god.
It's Beats god, heartless! that could be the reason why they have the holy inquisition, killing thousands who does not accept the catholic church. their god is heartless according to Beast.
Melchizedek was a contemporary of Abram (Abraham).
BUT JESUS PRECEDES ABRAHAM. In John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am".
Melchizedek is mentioned twice in the Hebrew bible. The first occurs at Genesis 14:18-20, part of the larger story of Genesis 14:17-24 which tells how Abram returns from defeating king Chedorlaomer and his associates and meets with the king of Sodom, at which point (KJV translation):
And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God. And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth: And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
The second is in Psalm 110:4, celebrating some victory or conquest of an unnamed king of the Davidic dynasty. The king is said to be a "priest forever" and a successor of Melchizedek, and the text is translated (KJV):
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek
In John 8:58 Jesus says, "before Abraham was, I Am".
It is the same priesthood, but Melchizedek did precede Jesus.
July 16 2009, 12:50 AM
Heb. 7:3 says he is without parents, without beginning. So he has existed forever. But Jesus was created, see Rev. 3:14, Col. 1:15. So even if he was created before the world was created, Melchizedek preceded him, was never created.
Psa 110:4
The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou [art] a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
Please before you conclude anything, try to dig deeper. What do this "after the order of" implies in the verse? Does it connotes being "equal to" as you are implying?
How can you even think that Melchizedek is equal to Christ when we have verses saying:
Rom 9:5
Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Christ is OVER ALL.
Php 2:9
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
God highly exalted Christ.
You cited Heb 6:20 but failed to read the whole context - take note of what's written in this verse:
Heb 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
How do you understand MORE EXCELLENT? Does it imply equality? I don't think so.
Not Implied. Explicitly Written, but not understood. Christ is Over All? 1Cr 15:27
July 29 2009, 11:10 AM
1Cr 15:27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
Enoch saved himself. As it is written.
Eze 18:9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he [is] just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
A man saves his own soul, by being Righteous. Eze 18.27
July 29 2009, 11:11 AM
Eze 18:27 Again, when the wicked [man] turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
Eph 1:10 And this is his plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ--everything in heaven and on earth.
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Is this Seed not from the Beginning, and for the Beginning?
Is it not for Eve , Daniel, Israel, Job, The Christian Church?
If God put everything under His feet does it include melchizedek?
July 29 2009, 6:08 PM
That's what you gave right.
I don't say that Christ is even Higher than God.
Though the verse Rom 9:5 says overall - there's an explanation what's that over all and it does not include God - I am fully aware of that. Now how about the priesthood of melchizedek?
1Cor9.26: I don't say that Christ is even Higher than God.
Why has it come across your mind that 'Christ is even Higher than God? The fact that it's in you is that you had to say NO to/DENY it. Like you said... I don't say that Christ is even Higher than God. But you saw THAT in you. ITS IN YOU.
You qouted:
Rom 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
It says on the verse OF WHOM concerning the flesh Christ [came].
1. Christ is Flesh
2. OF WHOM concerning Christ came.
Who is this OF WHOM CHRIST CAME?
Jhn 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Ah, the Father.
OF WHOM concerning the Christ Came, Who is over all, God...
In other words.
Whom Christ Came From, Who is God.
You have twisted that verse to say that Christ is overall god.
You know how to read but I believe you have a comprehension problem.
August 3 2009, 10:46 AM
Did I said the melchizedek is God?
If there's something to be shocked about is your comprehension.
You even quoted me but you failed to understand me:
->>I don't say that Christ is even Higher than God.
Am I saying that Christ is higher than God? What do you understand about "I DON'T SAY!" ahhh you have it in reverse hehehehehe. Such a pitty davaoguy! I suggest you eat more durian - it's good for the brain. Sure you need that!
Now let's talk about Rom 9:5
Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
You have this odd conclusion again:
1. Christ is Flesh
2. OF WHOM concerning Christ came.
Let's start reading on Rom 9:3
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Pual is mentioned about his kinsmen according to flesh - who are these kinsmen he is referring to? Let's continue reading.
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;
Oh Paul is referring to Israelites to whom pertaineth the adoption, the glory etc... and continued in Rom 9:5 that says:
Rom 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Israelites and of whom as concerning THE FLESH CHRIST CAME. The flesh of Christ came from the lineage of Israelites - do you agree. Why is it explicitly mentioned that the FLESH OF CHRIST? Because there's something inside that flesh that came not from Israelites - it is with God even in the beginning (John 1:1, Heb 10:5). This Christ is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Christ is overall, God blessed for ever. To where Christ is overall? Let's read:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,
Do you understand now?
Is melchizedek still higher than Christ? I don't think so:
And by the way in that verse, the phrase "God blessed forever" refers to Christ as well.
Why do you not have to say it? It means it crossed your mind that Jesus is Higher than God
August 4 2009, 10:15 AM
The basis of negation is on its existence.
A negation phenomenon is an item, or a truth about an item, defined in terms of the exclusion of something else (gzhan-sel, elimination of other), in which an object to be negated is explicitly precluded by the conceptual cognition that cognizes the phenomenon. An example of a negation phenomenon is “ not an apple.” In order to conceptualize “not an apple,” one needs previously to have known “apple” (the object to be negated here).
Rom 9:4-5. Something Inside Flesh Christ? So Jesus of Nazareth is not the Word in John1.1?
August 5 2009, 6:41 AM
Well, you only qouted Romans 9:5, so I read it from there.
You said
'Why is it explicitly mentioned that the FLESH OF CHRIST? Because there's something inside that flesh that came not from Israelites - it is with God even in the beginning (John 1:1, Heb 10:5). This Christ is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.'
You have 2 Christs?
One God Overall Christ inside Flesh Christ?
Now lets read from the bible. Is there such a thing as God Overall Christ in the bible? If it is explicitly written Flesh Christ [In The Bible], should it not also be written Spirit Christ [Not in the Bible]?
In the same way it is explicitly written God the Father [In the Bible], should it not be the same with God the Son [Not in the Bible]?
Entry: God Overall Christ [0]
Not Written in the Bible.
Entry: Flesh Christ [1]
Rom 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
Ooops no entry for Spirit Christ. Because Jesus IS NOT a Spirit. Did Jesus ever consider himself a Spirit? No.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
God is a Spirit.
Jhn 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
Does Jesus ever lie? Perhaps to you he does. How dare you.
One more thing, if that whom you say is God Overall Christ, is INSIDE Flesh Christ, then Flesh Christ is not God Overall, for Flesh Christ is not the same as that which is INSIDE him. They are not the same person. One had to be inside Another. One had Inhabit a Host.
Repeating what i've already said, the mere fact that this God overall had to be INSIDE Flesh Christ, proves that this God Overall is not the same entity as Flesh Christ.
You have technically said that Jesus Christ whom was preached by the Apostles, the One from Nazareth, who Died on the Cross [FLESH CHRIST] is not God Overall Christ. Jesus Christ the Flesh then, as you have implied is a Host to the Inhabitant.
You have effectively contradicted yourself. Good job!