Mar 15:34 Then, at that time Jesus called out with a loud voice, "[Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?]" which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

God the Son was forsaken.

Mar 14:36 "Abba, Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will, not mine." [NLT]

Luk 22:42 "Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will, not mine."

Mat 26:39 He went on a little farther and fell face down on the ground, praying, "My Father! If it is possible, let this cup of suffering be taken away from me. Yet I want your will, not mine."

Because the real Jesus always Did what God wanted him to do.

Jhn 4:34 Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

1Pe 3:18-19
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Christ was put to death in the flesh - who is this that preached unto the spirits in prison?

How can a dead person do this?

What do you think?

that's why he Died.

Nowhere in the bible can you read that GOD THE SON DIED ON THE CROSS. It is NOT WRITTEN.

Jhn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

See? The Word was MADE flesh. Who MADE the Word Flesh?

If the Word in John 1.1 was Ton Theon, then he would have done it by himself. No need for an active force to MAKE him Flesh.

What is Flesh?

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

People just can't see it. For they don't know the Father, except to those who were His, and obey Him.

Jhn 17:6 "I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word.

No wonder.

Where can you find that there's something that made Him flesh?

Is it because of the the phrase "was made..."

This phrase "was made" is also equivalent to "became" - let's see the Greek meaning:

ginomai
ghin'-om-ahee
A prolonged and middle form of a primary verb; to cause to be (“gen” -erate), that is, (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - arise be assembled, be (come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, be married, be ordained to be, partake, pass, be performed, be published, require, seem, be showed, X soon as it was, sound, be taken, be turned, use, wax, will, would, be wrought.

Do a certain force made Him flesh? I don't know from what verse you get that conclusion. But let's see HOW THE WORD BECAME FLESH. I will not just conclude, I will give you verse:

Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

I believe I have to break it down to you piece by piece so that you can absorb it.

Take note of the following phrase: "WHEN HE COMETH INTO THE WORLD..." This means that there's Someone coming INTO the world. Then what else...

A BODY HAST THOU PREPARED ME.

Isn't it clear that the one that will come to the world is not the body that was prepared? Instead HE USED THIS BODY AS A VEHICLE TO BE IN FLESH. Here's another proof:

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Chirst was in the form of God - as what John 1:1 is saying "THE WORD WAS GOD" and THE WORD was made flesh as it is also recorded in Phil 2:7 when He took the form of a servant.

You are duped by your minister who made you believe that "THE WORD" is just merely letters with sound. I will not blame you because they believed Mr. Webster to define the bible. Remember that it is written:

Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

Now, let's do what the bible say. Let's use bible to define the "WORD"

Rev 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Ahhh! "THE WORD" is a name that Christ is also called.

Do you accept this verse? How can you explain it now. Please try to explain it with biblical reference - not just by your own conclusion. I can do the same but it is not a wise decision.

What was written was:

Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

So who Prepared Jesus a Body? Can Jesus not Prepare his Own Body?

Heb 10:5
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

Who prepared this body? Can't you read? You are making fun of yourself.

Can Jesus not prepare his own body? Oh I don't know what you mean - rephrase your question - you're seems confused.

The bottom line regardless if Christ can make(or not) His own body is that there's an entity that came from NOT OF THIS WORLD and used that prepared body as His vehicle. That's what I want to stress. That's how the WORD was made flesh. The flesh is the prepared body, but what's inside that body is The Word who was with God in the beginning.

Don't confused your mind with lots of things - stay in focus with the subject. And compose yourself!

if you can.

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:-)

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and senseless question.

On Heb 10:5, we are not talking about why can't Christ make His own body. Because we will just go on encircling on all assumptions and conclusion if we don't stick to what is written.

The verse says:

Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

The God prepared that body for that entity that came into this world. That's the issue.

The clear picture that davaoguy is trying to blur here is that, THERE'S AN ENTITY THAT CAME INTO THIS WORLD (THATS THE WORD IN JOHN 1:1) who took that prepared body as His vehicle (that's how He made flesh John 1:14).

Again davaoguy will just insist, why can't Christ prepare His own body? Do the verse says CHRIST CAN'T MAKE HIS OWN BODY? It is just written that God prepared that body. I don't want to conclude nor add to what is already written.

Can Christ do it? I believe that everything was made thru Him. If willed by the Father that He prepared the body for His Son - I don't have a problem and I don't have the right to ask why.

whoever made the prepared body that's not the point.

The very point that you are trying to dodge so much is that, there's someone that came into this world and God prepared a body for that entity who entered this world. I am definitely sure that entity is not a MAN - He is not of this world anyway! That's the Word that was made flesh. That's the point.

Now you are trying to blur the real issue of asking why Christ can't prepare His own body? Ahh very usual for inc - they are even questioning the scripture. Are you even better with God?

I don't care what's the reason - whatever is written I just accept it no question ask for it is written:

Jas 3:2
For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body.

Do you have the right to ask why? Are you questioning God davaoguy?

Bad.

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Did you read the verse or it is just over your head too far from your comprehension.

Let's read the verse again:

1Pe 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Why is it explicitly written that HE WAS PUT TO DEATH IN FLESH?

Because there's something that was not put to death. Isn't it logical? Who is this that is still alive even His flesh was put to death? The WORD, in fact in the next verse it says:

1Pe 3:19
By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

He went and preached to the spirits. Can a dead person do that?

Read carefully davaoguy before you answer.

As can be expected.

Am I denying that there's something died in the cross? Better sharpen your comprehension before saying anything.

The flesh died but what's inside that flesh still lives - in fact He preached to the spirits. Can't you comprehend it?

Or you prefer bisaya or cebuano? Well I can try!

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Or you just can't comprehend.

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

I believe I already made my point. You just can't accept what's written - you are just fooling yourself

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The Church is the Body of Christ.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

Christ is the Church. They are one Person.

So Who was PUT TO DEATH IN THE FLESH?

Can God ever die?

1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Are we gods and are we immortal that we do not die?

2Cr 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Even the translation that you are using is not supporting your claim - you have to bend lots of things in english grammar for you to make it so. Anyway only fool can believe you. In the sake of truth, let us see what's the other translation is saying. Don't tell me that davaoguy is more reliable than these translators.

1Pe 3:18 (ALT) For Christ also suffered once for sin for all [time, the] Righteous [One] on behalf of unrighteous [ones], so that He should bring you* to God, [Christ] having been put to death on the one hand in [the] flesh [or, by flesh], on the other hand having been made alive in [the] spirit [or, by [the] Spirit],

1Pe 3:18 (ISV)For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, an innocent person for the guilty, so that he could bring you to God. He was put to death in the sphere of the flesh but was made alive in the sphere of the spirit,

1Pe 3:18 (CEV)Christ died once for our sins. An innocent person died for those who are guilty. Christ did this to bring you to God, when his body was put to death and his spirit was made alive.

1Pe 3:18 (KJV)For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Now let's use davaoguy preferred translation:

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

The verse said "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust". Now is it the sin that was put to death in flesh? The sin don't even have a flesh to die. The sin is defined by the bible as transgression to the law. Now if davaoguy is equating sin to himself - I don't have problem with that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that i agree with his foolishness. Now let's continue. The verse said "that he might bring us to God," do this phrase changed the subject of the verse? No! It is saying that Christ that suffered once for sins who is just suffered for the unjust - and this same person will bring us to GOD. It so funny that davaoguy tried to changed the subject on the last phrase, he is trying to convince us that it is US who was put to death in that instance - well, his reasoning can only be acceptable to a fool like himself. Let's read the last phrase "being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" Do this symbolized the church or the body of Christ? Is it even a symbolical death? Ask davaoguy for he is hallucinating again. And he even tried to blur the verse by adding can God ever die? That's the point! THE VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT CERTAIN DEATH, and it is DEATH IN THE FLESH! But what's inside the flesh STILL LIVES - IN FACT HE WENT AND PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON on the succeeding verse. That's what I am trying to point out, and it's good that you mentioned it. Hope this is clear.

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but [how] to perform what is good I do not find.

Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I will not [to do], it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. [KJV]

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but [how] to perform what is good I do not find. [NKJV]

Rom 7:20 Now if I do what I will not [to do], it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. [NKJV]

Is the Church/BODY/FLESH NOT TO BE QUICKENED?

1Cr 15:42 So also [is] the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt

Is Jesus not part of the Body? Is he Separate from the Body/Church? Did not Jesus'es Body, where sin dwelled, die condemned on the cross? and was he not the First to be Quickened from the Dead?

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.

So what was condemned? The Body, where Sin dwelleth.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Instead of relying on your fantastic assumptions, you had rather opened the book and read.

Rom 6:2 By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

The Word of God always Stands!

Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

Read it carefully. You are airing your own opinion. Do you know what the bible call such persons?

Pro 18:2 (CEV)
Fools have no desire to learn; they would much rather give their own opinion.

Lets read:

Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

Who crushed and pierced?

Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Ah, it was the LORD? Who is this LORD?

Isa 63:16 Doubtless thou [art] our father, though Abraham be ignorant of us, and Israel acknowledge us not: thou, O LORD, [art] our father, our redeemer; thy name [is] from everlasting.

Isa 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou [art] our father; we [are] the clay, and thou our potter; and we all [are] the work of thy hand.

Mal 2:10 Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

Ah, the Father is God. What did Jesus say about the Father?

Jhn 17:1 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: "Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you.

Jhn 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

The Father is the only true God says Jesus. I wonder why people can't just believe what Jesus said. Whoever believes that the Father is NOT the Only True God, has NO ETERNAL LIFE.

Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

Isn't it the one that crushed Him is the one that pierce Him as well?

Please read the verse over and over again til you understood the context.

Now is it the Lord who pierced HIM? Come on - even small children will going to disagree with you. Even Isa 53:1 is not supporting your claim.

Sharpen-up your pencil davaoguy. I cannot be easily duped with that flaw reasoning of yours.

Better luck next time.

The one who Sinned.

Gen 3:4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

This is sooooo deeeep.

wow!

It don't even wet my ankle.

Where's the verse that says God crushed Jesus? And can you tell me why?

Ooops don't replay your ignorance using the same verse you gave before for I already explained it to you.

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If you will say yes. Then I rest my case. Ladies and gentlemen we found a liar here.

yes.

Are they written word for word in the bible?

I hope you understand when I said "ALL".

Any other thing is dispensable.

Amen.

The Father/LORD did Bruise/Crush Him, so dont be fooled by 1cor926, because it is clearly written.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

But what was really Bruised/Crushed?

The Sins of the Body of Christ.

Isa 53:10 ...and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering, ... [though Jesus was not Guilty]

Isa 53:12 ...he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. [Though Jesus did not Sin]

2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Righteous Jesus went to HELL for his Body, to redeem it.

For things accursed are to be put to death and then hanged. Yet it is not the case with Jesus. It's the Reverse, thus Jesus Himself is NOT ACCURSED.

Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

What's the difference?

JESUS was hung on a tree alive, then he died. He wasn't stoned to death.

The Accursed is to die by stoning, and afterwards Hung on a Tree already Dead.

So Jesus is not Accursed.

GOD IS MARVELOUS AND TRUE!


Yes the Guilt.

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Is it God Himself bruised Christ? That's the simple question that I am trying to sink in your head. Because that's your claim.

Do you understood this verse this way? That it is God who inflicted the bruise directly to Christ?

Answer me and I will elaborate later.

So you agree that GOD bruised Christ, is not that the line of your questioning? And what of the verse you qouted? It just affirms that the LORD indeed bruised him.

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Can you not read?

Isa 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; IT PLEASED THE LORD TO BRUISE HIM.

If you still can't read it, then there's something wrong.

Do you believe or accept that it is God who physically bruised Christ in that verse?

There's a wide difference from reading than actually understanding it. Do you agree?

Now, I will ask again, do you accept that it is God who physically bruised Christ in that verse?

Be brave now!

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I can not speak on my own. Neither rely on my OWN Judgement.

Jhn 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

So you KNOW!

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

The Father/LORD did Bruise/Crush Him, so dont be fooled by 1cor926, because it is clearly written.

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

But what was really Bruised/Crushed?

The Sins of the Body of Christ.

Isa 53:10 ...and though the Lord makes his life a guilt offering, ... [though Jesus was not Guilty]

Isa 53:12 ...he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. [Though Jesus did not Sin]

2Cr 5:21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Righteous Jesus went to HELL [Life on Earth] for his Body, to redeem it.

For things accursed are to be put to death and then hanged. Yet it is not the case with Jesus. It's the Reverse.

Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son [is] stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; [he is] a glutton, and a drunkard.

Deu 21:22 And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

What's the difference?

JESUS was hung on a tree alive, then he died. He wasn't stoned to death.

The Accursed is to die by stoning, and afterwards Hung on a Tree already Dead.

So Jesus is not Accursed. Though he died as an Accursed/Afflicted for his other Half.

GOD IS MARVELOUS AND TRUE!

And what was Really crushed/bruised?

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Because the Disciples of Christ have risen above Satan. And Through Jesus, Death will be no more, for both ungodly and the godly will be brought back to life SOME to face LIFE EVERLASTING IN GLORY OTHERS IN ETERNAL TORMENT.

Lev 4:3 " 'If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the Lord a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed.

The Living Creatures with 4 faces.

Eze 1:5 and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man,

Eze 1:10 Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle.

The True Face of a Cherubim.

Eze 10:14 Each of the cherubim had four faces: One face was that of a cherub, the second the face of a man, the third the face of a lion, and the fourth the face of an eagle.

Who was it that Israel worshipped while they were in the Wilderness?

Exd 32:24 And I said to them, 'Whoever has any gold, let them break [it] off.' So they gave [it] to me, and I cast it into the fire, and this calf came out."

Yes, they worshipped the Cherub.

Eze 28:16 "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones.

Jesus saw the Cherub fall out of Heaven like Lightning.

Luk 10:18 And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

For that is how Cherubims move, as a Flash of Lightning.

Eze 1:14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

Amazing. God Rules!

The Ox [Cherub] who Sinned - Satan.

Eze 28:16 "By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing Out of the mountain of God; And I destroyed you, O covering cherub, From the midst of the fiery stones.

Through the Law, Satan Reigned.

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Satan tricked Man, he ruled through the law of Death.

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou [art], and unto dust shalt thou return.

Death was Cancelled by Christ for All. Everyone shall be given Life again as promised.

Jhn 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Satan's reign put to an end, for through Jesus there is ressurection.

Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

Thus through the Death of Jesus, he became Lord of both Dead and the Living, Jesus removed the power from Satan, being Lord of the Dead. Satan's head was CRUSHED BY THE SEED.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Jesus survived the bruise for it was not his head, but his heel [body]that was crushed.

But Satan's power was crushed for while chasing Jesus the Righteous he laid bare his Head [Caesar - Jhn 19:15], laid bare before God, the Jealous God [Jos 24:19].

The power of Death was cancelled when Jesus was brought to Life again by God. Death had no power over Jesus for he is a Righteous Man.

Eze 18:5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,

Eze 18:9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he [is] just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord GOD.

And Satan the Cherub who Sinned, and those he deceived shall be tormented forever in the Lake of Fire.

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Dan 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Jhn 5:30 By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

What do your doctrine taught you?

Can you now use the logic that the church should be called after who built it?

1Ti 1:7
Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

these people won't stick to the title of the thread, why is that? All I asked was a mere verse from the bible where it is WRITTEN - God the Son. And Because its nowhere written in the Bible, they are set on a flame and are ready to burn, not to answer the question, but to prove themselves right, even if what they are trying to prove is NOWHERE WRITTEN.

What did Jesus ever use to defend against the Devil?

Luk 4:4 Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'"

Did Jesus qoute it in right Sequence?

Deu 8:3 ...man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord.

Yup. No change in the sequencing of the Words.

Now you are caught by surprised by your own ignorance.

Are you still going to stand that Christ can do things by Himself?

I still have some more that Christ did.

But it seems this is enough to sweep your first stand. And your only defense is to claim that I am diverting the subject. Wow! You are impossible!

Am I diverting? Absolutely not! I am very much in the topic.

Jesus has the power to take it again, this command he received from the Father. Now that explains it.

Jhn 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Answer me please!

Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

You are putting yourself in deep sh*t hehehehehe.

That's what you'll be if you don't know what you are saying hehehehehe.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak. [KJV]

Jhn 12:50 I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say." [NIV]

No I wouldn't say that word while I'm talking about God.

So it is not Christ alone who build the church.

Who is the ultimate builder of the church davaoguy?

When Christ said "upon this rock I will build my church", can you tell me who is this "I" that Christ is referring to? Is He referring to Himself, or to the One who gave that word to Him?

It's getting interesting.

Amen.

Your problem is you don't believe Him at all.

Who planted the Vine?

Jhn 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener.

"Hear O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one." ( Mark 12:29)

"I and the Father are one." ( John 10:30)

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you know me, you will know my Father also." ( John 14:6-7)

But Jesus answered them, 'My Father is working still, and I am still working.' This was why the Jews sought all the more to kill him, because he not only broke the sabbath, but also called God his own Father, making himself equal with God. ( John 5:16-18)

"If I am not doing the works of my Father, then do not believe me; but if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." ( John 10:37-38)

"Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority; but the Father who dwells in me does his works." ( John 14:10)

"Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise. The Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing; and he will show him greater works than these, so that you will be astonished." ( John 5:19-20)

"If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now I am here. I did not come on my own, but he sent me." ( John 8:42)

"All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, or who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." ( Luke 10:22)


Again, where is God?

...understand that the Father is in me...(John 10:37-38)

...Father who dwells in me...(John 5:19-20)

...For in him (Jesus) dwells all the fulness of the Godhead corporeally...(Col 2:9).

Because You Cant.

..Father who dwells in me...(John 5:19-20)

Father [One Entity] who dwells in me [Another Entity] = 2 Entities.

Jhn 12:50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

Jesus COULD NOT speak without THE FATHER.

Amen.

The Father is in me and I in him.(John 14:9 10:38).

The Father and I are One.(John 10:30).

Checkmate.

Jesus SPEAKS because there is a SOURCE. Effect is dependent on Cause.

Jhn 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am [he], and [that] I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

The Effect.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Can you still not read? These are from scriptures.

I thought you're the one who's saying that Christ can't do anything by Himself.

I am looking at your pasugo that's saying that the reason why your church is called iglesia ni cristo is that it was built by christ.

That's the issue that I was trying to resolve.

Don't tell me that you know better than you minister who is writing these pasugo.

Are you denouncing your first claim that Christ can't do anything by Himself or you are denouncing your faith about the builder of your church as your pasugo is saying.

Which is which davaoguy?

lol.

Psa 22:24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.

Because there is no God the Son.

What's written in the Scriptures is The Son of God, NOT God the Son.

It's not written!

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, heard his cry and saw how he died, he said, "Surely this man was the Son of God!"

God begot the Son:

Psalm 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Because He was in the bossom of the Father:

John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared [him].

In fact if you will just live-up to the name that you are using, you can believe that NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD according to the verse in the bible. HOW CAN THIS BEING THAT WAS IN THE BOSSOM OF THE FATHER BE A MAN NOT GOD?

Biblically speaking again. God which is a spirit CANNOT BEGOT FLESH.

Joh 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

These are bible verses. Do you believe in these verse?

2Co 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

If you are taking bible in its face value, then you are just regarding it as another literary work. But I believe that there are deeper things hidden beneath its surface which only the Spirit can help people to understand.

1Co 2:10
But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

I don't blame you for that's the only thing your pastor managed to teach you.

and you'd rather believe that fallen prince.

That's my stand.

Now if you want to believe in verbatim bible. Where can you find your messenger Felix Manalo in the bible verbatimly?

What can you say?

his mission is.

Can you give me verse to prove your claim jimsky?

Let's see how much you know about your church.

God the Son - not in the Bible.

Felix Manalo - not in the Bible.

Are you trying to say that if you find Felix Manalo in the Bible, then you have proved that God the Son is in the Bible? Is Felix Manalo your God the Son?

LOL.

Your God the Son is extremely amusing. LMAO.

Felix Manalo is NOT God the Son, thus NOT WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE.

You don't even know what analogy is don't you?

Too bad dodong - if that's the only reach of your comprehension, i suggest you eat more durian to sharpen your brain.

Isn't it a fact that felix manalo is not written in the bible but you still believed in your heart that he is the messenger of your god. And you don't have that big problem swallowing it right? Did you asked your minister where is felix manalo in the bible?

Because if you are trying to say that for you to believe in certain thing it should be WRITTEN IN VERBATIM in the bible. Did you employ this same logic when you believed your felix manalo?

Your felix manalo will not fit for janitor in my belief - this is me being honest.

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Why drag Manalo into this?

Do you believe that Manalo is God the Son? Hahahahahaahahahahahahha...

Nowhere!

But you believed.

The fact that it is clearly written in the bible that Christ is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD is enough proof that He is God as well as His Father.

Spirit cannot begot flesh for it is written:

Joh 3:6
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

God proclaimed:

Psa 2:7
I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Can you tell me who is this?

Pro 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Is it not written or YOU SIMPLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIND IT.

It has to be Word for Word!! For nobody has the right to change the Words that are written!
Who changed the Words of God?

Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

But what was it that God actually said?

Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Well, You shall surely Die unless you repent and enter the door.

Jesus is the Life.
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.

Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander!

How come you believe felix manalo is the messenger of God when his name don't make it even in bible's footnote?

What's your excuse davaoguy?

Felix Manalo is God the Son, that's why its not in the Bible. It's a Big Lie.

and everybody knows that.

Num 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Just wondering!

Show the posters that you are worth their time.

These are cheap shots.

Luk 6:41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

You used this verse but isn't it a contradiction to what you are trying to portray?

Psa 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

If Christ cried for help then God should have answered.

Wow! You're showing your ignorance in the bible.

hmmmm...

And who are you to tell God what to do? Christ had to die for three days for it was the will of God.

Luk 24:7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.

:-)

thus all other beliefs concerning this false God The Son is an utter lie!

And now you're looking for verbatim "GOD THE SON".

Isn't it God the Father have a BEGOTTEN SON. Not just a SON but A BEGOTTEN SON.

If the Father is God, SO THE BEGOTTEN SON AS WELL. That's a simple logic.

But felix manalo? Nahh, he don't even mentioned in the footnote nor in the table of contents hehehehe andthe funny thing is that you believe in that crap.

That's a dose of your own medicine.

It seems that you are in deep trouble...you have been brain washed by FYM.
Save your soul.

plain and simple.

i think this is better. lol.

Not Written - LIE. Not True.

:-)

and you drag Felix Manalo into this, is it by proving that Felix Manalo being written in the bible, you have affirmed that God the Son is in written in the Bible as well?

lol.

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And its True. You cannot read it anywhere in the Bible.

Are all things that you believed are written WORD FOR WORD in the bible?

Please answer in full honesty (as much as you can)

YES.

Prayer to Jesus God the Son, through Mary

My Jesus, Divine Majesty, Sovereign King.

I prostrate myself at Your feet to adore You, praise You and supplicate You.

Most Sacred Heart of Jesus:
I am dust, a creature of the earth, a simple human being with all the lowliness that I
have by inheritance and because of my carelessness. However God The Father
gave me a soul in His image.

But how unworthy I am , I have stained it with my faults, and with indifference to You.

Today I feel profound repentance for my mistakes and I come to talk to You from
the core of my soul, from where Your Divine Presence gives me Life. It is for the
sake of my sins and for those of my brothers, that You, Divine King, came to the earth
and compared yourself with us, You became slave of the human race and allowed
yourself to be outraged, despised and killed cruelly, in order to forgive our faults
before God The Father and thus securing Eternal Life for us, according to our deeds.
O my God, How can I repay You for what You have done. How can I even just feel
myself worthy of being listened by You, when my sins stain my soul and hide me from
Your sight.

But, how happy I feel, knowing that You gave us on the cross Your Most Sacred
Mother as our Mother. And how Hope shines in our hearts when we are sure, that it is
easier for You to listen to Her than to us.

This is why Mary is that beautiful way that leads us to You.

And this is why I consecrate myself to Her Immaculate Heart and I take Her as my
Spiritual Mother, so that She may listen, teach, nourish, guide, pray and intercede
for me, that She may mould my soul in the perfection of the Holy Spirit and finally that
She can put me in Your hands as an offering worthy of Your Glorious Majesty.

My Jesus, listen to me through Mary. I wish that She lives through me, so that I can
express the perfection that You wish.

I consecrate to Her the faculties of my soul.

Holy Mother. I consecrate to You my memory, so that I remember Jesus and You
constantly.

Holy Mother, I consecrate to You my understanding , so that I can always understand
Jesus and You.

Holy Mother, I consecrate to You my Will, so that it becomes Jesus' Will and Your
Will.

My Jesus, God the Son; listen to my supplications, that are those of Your Mother, my Mother;
forgive all my sins and receive me in Your Kingdom to share It with You, with Her, with
The Father and with the Holy Spirit eternally.

Amen.
Joseph of Jesus and Mary

http://www.theworkofgod.org/Library/Trinity/JesusGod.htm

Pro 30:4
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?

Isn't it true in the verse that God have a Son? Can you tell His name?

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Don't tell me that when God begot the Son HE IS A MAN.

That's the big difference between just reading and comprehending.

too bad.

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