Me and many people in my community in Pakistan belive USA deserved it. These are self-inflicted wounds and they deserved what as coming! Even though our government says we will help USA doesnt mean the people believe it!

Maybe you can tell that to the Marines, as they storm through your country, on the way to turn your evil brothers to dust.

We will crush beneath our heel barbarians who support the actions of these animals, and if that includes you and your people, so be it.

You, and people like you, have taken us far too lightly. You are about to be introduced to reality.

NEWS BRIEF: "Stage Set For Attack", by Susanne M. Schafer, Associated Press, The Sun Chronicle, Friday, September 14, 2001.

"WASHINGTON -- "In the most explicit descriptions yet of the Bush administration's intentions, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz said Thursday the retaliation would be continued until the roots of terrorism are destroyed. 'These people try to hide. They won't be able to hide forever ... They think their harbors are safe, but they won't be safe forever ... it's not simply a matter of capturing people and holding them accountable, but removing the sanctuaries, removing the support systems, ending states who sponsor terrorism." [Page 2]

"Ending states" is a most somber and terrifying term, for it strongly implies that the Bush Administration has every intention of destroying entire nation states with unconventional weapons. And, we have them in abundance, despite the years of military drawdown by the Clinton Administration. We have nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons that can easily destroy entire states in a matter of an hour or two.

Before you object that this course of action cannot be possible because it seems insane and it has never happened before, please allow me to remind you that the bombing and utter collapse of the World Trade Center forever made this type of argument moot and void; certainly, an act of devastation like the Twin Towers collapsing on September 11, 2001 had never happened before, and no one in their right minds could have ever predicted such an event. The one great lesson of the World Trade Center bombing is that "Just because something has never occurred in history before does not mean it can never occur".

When the attacks come, they probably will include unconventional weapons, either sooner or later. That includes nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons, but it may also include Fuel Air bombs and even particle beam weapons. America has theater level particle beam weapons that can annihilate any living mammal within its radius, and may even now have such weapons in the hands of our individual elite troops.

America even has neutron bombs, which kill by bombarding the body with high concentrations of neutrons but will leaving buildings and infrastructure unharmed. I believe it highly likely that the reason Bush Administration officials are so confident that they can eradicate terrorists is that they plan to use such unconventional weaponry.

If you haven't heard, these threats of bombing raids in Afghanistan mean very little to us here. You say you will bomb us back to the Stone Age? Guess what, we've been in that Stone Age ever since the Soviets started bombing us. You say you will level our cities and destroy our buildings? I dare you to find an un-leveled building and an unscathed building. You say you will come in and irradicate terrorism? Ah, that's the problem. Terrorism is so woven into our culture it will be impossible to destroy. It is an idea. Our very morals. These networks are so involved, it will take too much effort from the U.S or any other "world coalition". So, gentlemen, I laugh at your much too ambitious ideas! ha! You will see...

If you haven't heard, these threats of bombing raids in Afghanistan mean very little to us here. You say you will bomb us back to the Stone Age? Guess what, we've been in that Stone Age ever since the Soviets started bombing us. You say you will level our cities and destroy our buildings? I dare you to find an un-leveled CITY and an unscathed building. You say you will come in and irradicate terrorism? Ah, that's the problem. Terrorism is so woven into our culture it will be impossible to destroy. It is an idea. Our very morals. These networks are so involved, it will take too much effort from the U.S or any other "world coalition". So, gentlemen, I laugh at your much too ambitious ideas! ha! You will see...

shut up u bastard

while terrorism is strong, whether or not the pakistani people believe their government will help doesnt really matter.

as for u, go suck it.

Gee, Mu'hud, first you say you're in Pakistan, now it's Afganistan; so aside from being a generally evil, zenophopic psycopath, you're also a liar.

At any rate, we'll have done the Islamic faith a favor when the last of your ilk are left twisting in the wind.

We are not the Soviets. There is a difference between living in the stoneage and going to hell. Is your Jihad all geared up and ready for action? We are on our way.

We are not going to wage a conventional war. We are going to turn our Special Ops loose like the dogs from hell they are. They will ferret out the terrorist cells in Pakistan, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and wherever else they hide like rats, and cut them to ribbons, and if these States refuse to cooperate, Congress will declare war, we'll bomb THEM into the stoneage, and then do what we damn well please.

No matter what you think of us, the fact remains that we are the most powerful, and so most dangerous, nation on earth. Even if by some miracle you are able to continue to attack us, the more the American people will be willing to punish you, and before we would let people like you destroy us, we would use Nuclear and chemical weapons to kill every soul in your land.

So, buddy, no matter which way this turns, your future does not look rosy.

If you're really who you say; I have my doubts.

Hey, thanks, Truthbringer, for eloquently expressing what so many Americans believe. I couldn't say it any better myself, so I wont try! But thanks, and God Bless the United States of America.

My Poor Muslim Fool. Pray to your Satanic god Allah because we are about to send you to hell to meet him. Am sure glad I am not in your shoes Ohh wait you dont have any shoes you Towel Head Pig. Yes this is a Crusade and you can call me Constantine.

Alot of leftwing extremists in europe support the terrorists.
People that praised the soviet union before.
They think that everything that hurts capitalism and the western type of democracy is good.
I think people like that might be dangerous. Perhaps way more dangerous than muslim fundamentalists.

They want people to think that they are good and that they care about poor people in poor countries.
Alot of people in europe believes this and listen to them.
In general they represent 5-15% of the population in the european countries.
Every time the EU has a important meeting those people show up in the city where the meeting takes place. And they start riots. They hurt alot of people and destroys property for milions.
No, they ofcourse think that the muslim terrorists are victims trying to defend themselves against capitalism.

I live in Europe myself and I really hate them. I dont know if there is anything that could be done to stop them.

In response to all the above reactions to my original statements, I would like to say that I am not crazy. I am merely expressing the views of SO MANY people here in the middle east. Afghanistans and the people of Pakistan share many common believes and morals. Despite what our government says about "cooperating with america" the majority of people side with the Taliban. WE are one of three nations that recognises it. With that said, I hope more of you will begin to realize that the Taliban and Osama bin Ladan is not your average, rag-tag group of weirdos. They are highly advanced in their technology, and intelligence. You have no idea, the type of weaponry at the fingers of the Taliban...but you will all see.

Ma'had when im shipped to your country to kick afgany ass im going to find you and your 7 ugly whore wives, and im gunna give em the best time of their lives and impregnate them with my American genes. And I know you're simple, primitive mind cant comprehend the word GENES. Anyways after that I am gonna hunt your damn camel down and make him screw you up the ass, THEN i'm gonna shave off your damn beird and sit in your mouth. and i will take off your damn turban and shove it up your hairy ass

Dont harm Women and Children. Lets not go down to the Muslims level. Just go after the Men and send them to hell.

The people in the muslim countries does not support the fundamentalists and terrorists.
They represent less than 10% of the population.
Other muslims think that what these extremists are saying and doing is blasphemy. That they are not true muslims.
The talibans treat their women like animals and not like human beings.

And ofcourse europe will participate and fight these terrorists.
Not so long ago we had colonies in those countries and we still remember how to handle people like that.

Sadly true, RM Andersson. Some on the Left will go to any lengths to discredit Capitalism, even retreating from reality, when reality doesn't support their positions.

The US has it's share of misguided people who concoct ridiculous fantasies to demagauge Capitalism and to explain the failings of collectivism.

Anyone will to do the research will find that that the world's poorest countries have, as primary trading partners, the Socialist Democracies and the Communists, while developing countries which trade primarily with the US have GDPs which are expanding at much greater rates.

Three generations ago it was claimed by the Left that Capitalism keeps American workers too poor. Today they claim that it keeps them too wealthy.

Ma'had, you are a true renaissance man: A xenophobe, a liar, AND a comedian.

I am not a liar! The fact that you take a man from a different culture's opinion and call it lies tells me that YOU are in fact a bigot. And as for a comedian, I have no idea why you think my beliefs are funny, but it further demonstartes your ignorance. I am merely expressing the views of so many people here. And as for the man (well probably a child) who insulted me, in terms of owning a camel and such, that proves American's lack of knowledge and will to understand. I own no camel, and I am single. My beard is a religious symbol that is every bit as much a part of me as my clothing. Attacking one's customs brings you down to a level far worse than the terrorists. I hope you all agree with me atleast that those comments were innapropriate. And as for leaving his address, I dare him to leave the rest of it, so that I may send him my warmest greetings. I will bring it on, mother****er.

Ma'had: In your first post, you say you're in Pakistan.

In your second post, you say you are in Afganistan.

In my culture, that makes you either a liar, or someone who knows a damn good shortcut through the Khyber pass.

You say that the "Taliban and Osama bin Ladan is not your average, rag-tag group of weirdos. They are highly advanced in their technology, and intelligence. You have no idea, the type of weaponry at the fingers of the Taliban...but you will all see."

So despite living in the stoneage, they are masters of technology, yet they wage war by hijacking passenger airliners with box knives and crashing them into skyscrapers filled with innocent people, murdering 7000 civilians. Unless the terrorists were robots, I consider that a joke.

I don't condemn the Islamic faith, or all Afganis, Pakistanis, or people from Arkansas, but I roundly condemn those who support terrorism, as you do, who advocate the murder of innocent people, as you do, who claim to be religious, yet preach hatred and violence, as you do.

I go through life trying to understand and accept those who are unlike me in appearance, action, and custom, but some defy understanding and acceptance, and in fact are the living embodiment of evil. I'm sure Hitler believed he was right, too, and just as peace could only be restored by destroying him and the mindset he stood for, so too must Militant Islam be destroyed.

Keep in touch. The next few months will be interesting.

Lives in The United States.

I would just like to say that I find most of your comments very immature. And as for the others, I can atleast understand where you are coming from. But making mindless insults is not a good way to express your feelings. It certainately does not support your argument. I do believe America deserved these attacks, you all had it coming for you. Im glad someone had enough sense to do something about it. If a few thousand people is what it takes to bring attention to the problems, then so be it.

Muslim Monkey Payback is a Bitch We are coming for all Terrorists like you and your family in afganistan

Ma'had, why don't you take some time and tell us something about yourself, your life, what problems you attribute to US policy, and why we, as the purported source of these problems, deserved this attack.

Perhaps I can better explain my position if I better understand yours.

Maīhad, most people in the USA and in europe will never be able to respect fundamentalists like the talibans.

I respect normal muslims that practice islam the same way we practice christian religion.
Most muslims do that.

A small minority want the holy text to also be the law of the country. Thatīs evil.
If you think like that you are wrong. Thatīs not the true meaning of islam.
The normal muslims think that fundamentalists are infidels. They think that fundamentalists hurt the true and real Islam. Because itīs wrong to use laws that are similar to what people in europe used in the 12:th century or worse.
True Islam can be a part of a modern free society.
Because the purpose of Islam is to help people live a good and happy life. Not to make them suffer.

I have been reading the messages on this BBS and Iīm struck with a fealing of happy anticipation. Shortly the blissful serenity of massdestruction will be upon the human species. Peace at last. I surely need the vacation. Iīve been trying to rid the world of this pest called man for so many years I canīt even remember. Finaly, you decide to do the job yourselfs.

Maybe Iīll take on golf, does anyone have any tips to improve my swing?

Be visiting you ALL soon,

DEATH

Uh, excuse me Mr. Death...
September 29 2001 at 10:56 AM Truthbringer



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...but you've been handing us that tired old saw for several hundred years now.

Any time (relatively) large scale forces of (pretty) good unite to smite the forces of (more or less) evil, a chorus of the timid hail the apocolypse. Just stand back and cover your eyes and the few, the proud, and the brave will handle the business of cleansing the environs of the free world.

Fear not. We'll be shipping you a steady flow religious hate mongers, but you'll have to be patient in reguards to the rest of us, who will continue to die of old age, for the most part.

Terrorism has no place in this great nation. Cowardice terrorist organizations would target the U.S., because we are a symbol of freedom and prosperity. They target our civilians, because they are too weak and afraid of our immense power. America will not stand for these actions. Our military will crush these terrorists along with those who support them. Those condoning these acts await a day of reckoning. God Bless America
-Richard Meredith (18)
North Aurora, IL

Dear truthbringer,

You humans are so amusing sometimes I almost wonder if it would be worth keeping some of you as pets. Almost, then your shortsighted bluntness and stupidity reminds me of the task at hand and fills me with a deap sence of purpose.

You are all arrogant apes, muslims and americans alike. You think you know so much about good and evil, you are prepared to kill for it. I can't help smilling about the bittersweet irony. Maybe I should not tell you this, but what the heck, you are all to stupid to realize what it means anyway: There is no good and there is no evil. There is only life and death.

You think you are waging a war against the evil terrorists, guess what, the terrorists think they are waging a war against evil americans. But truthbringer, in fact I can only encourage your stupid little wars. Go ahead, kill each other in the name of democracy and freedom.

See if I care,

Best regards,

DEATH

By the by,

I strongly support the way you are abolishing your freedom to increase security. Isn't it great, giving intitutions like the CIA more resources to protect freedom and democracy. Isn't that something like asking the fox to protect the chikens. I must say, it's been a while since you humans made me laugh out loud, but you are getting funnier every day.

Greatings,

DEATH

Hey Deathy, when you were in Death School did they call you 'Mr. Astute'?

I didn't think so.

You might notice the adjectives that I parenthetically included with my 'good' and 'evil' references. Those tend to indicate that I, like you, am not particularly attached to such ethereal concepts as good and evil, but rather tend to view actions as either 'good for Truthbringer,' or 'bad for Truthbringer'

War against Militant Islam = good for Truthbringer.

And it needn't be for some grandiose brand of idealism:
Hell, we need a good war every so often, just to show people who we really are, and break the monotony of everyday life. I mean a real war, not one of the namby pamby police actions we have engaged in for the last fifty years, but a true bloody crusade for National Pride and all that stuff. It unifies us and gives a sense of purpose, legitimate or not. Juices up the economy too. Doesn't matter if there is any 'real' higher purpose about it. Kind of like sex.

And peace is overrated. Anyone who has anything worth a damn is going to have to fight for it eventually, or give it up.

As far as the CIA, their most effective role will be their traditional one, hunting down and butchering terrorists in unspeakable ways, just like in the good ol' days, not oppressing American citizens; they'll leave that to Liberal Democrats.

Now pass the popcorn, and lets get this show on the road, while everybody is still worked into a fervor.

So....In fact you're a cynical bastard. That's great, You and I got a lot in commmon.

DEATH

Actually, I prefer the term 'pragmatic bastard'.

Truthbringer - YOU are the most ignorant person in this thread.

You're a technocrat you seems to think engineering and its ilk can be passed off as a degree. That's fine if you stick to that and that only. But you then have the audacity to opine on political issues.

Stick to the technical side of life.

Pray, enlighten me, O Cognizant One! For I have somehow missed the engineering aspect of this thread.

Inulting me is a poor way to try and fill the vacuum that exists in the place of your ideology.

Boys...boys...can't we find a better place to call each other names than a political discussion forum?

Truthbringer - you are a technocrat. Whether you have studied engineering or some other vocationally inclined degree is less clear. But you are definitely one of them. You tell us that in the way you write. Too much talking and not enough thinking.

There's nothing worse than an American technocrat. The right wing is full of them.

No, I think your problem with me is that I am generally right, and this threatens your worldview.

Otherwise, you would challenge my positions directly, instead of employing juvenile character assassination techniques.

When the personal attacks start, I know that I have encountered intellectual bankruptcy, and vacuous arguments.

I will gladly debate you on any topic, and if it makes you feel better, I will use small, simple words and short, elementary sentences.

However, my choosing to simplify my approach will not necessarily make you appear smarter.

Criticised your thought own their act not their religion.Even in america when someone do sort of criminals they dont relate it to their religion.
WHEN SOMEONE ASK OTHER TO RESPECT THEM THEY HAVE TO RESPECT OTHER PEOPLE FIRST

Hey Mahad!

Doesn't your Koran say not to swear?
Doesn't your Koran say not to kill?

How can you respond in such a way?

I just want to say that Pakistan deserved to be hit by that devastating earthquake! That was a divine punishment from God for all of the innocents that have been slaughtered by Pakistani jihadis, that were doing the will of their demon moon god, Allah. Islam is evil.

BTF. Sane, rational people tend to acknoledge weather is not specifically attached to morality. And there are plenty of Christians who feel you are acting evil by smearing and mocking Christianity as something of violence and hate. I am not a Christian, but I know plenty of Christian people who would despise views like yours.

Grandpa h.

Grandpa Helicopter your leftist drivel is only hurting America get your head out of your ass.

Wow with allies of this calliber I guess bornetokillagain must be right I concede defeat.

I actually wasn't stating a "leftist" position. I was simply pointing out how some Christians I know would diagree with your views.

Grandpa h.

Since the start of War against terrism, many people have died, thousends and thousends, and what is the result? It still is war, why?

Because the USA is stupid. Its like the war in Vietnam, America cant win it. Its not a army you fight against, its the mind of miljons of people. You cant kill a idea. The idea that many muslims have that they are better then non muslims.

I agree. And I don't think wars will improve our image anymore than they've done in the past.

Grandpa h.

usa losses: twin towers,one destroyer,one marine barracks,one mess hall
and less than 5,ooo dead.
muslim losses: two countries,iraq and afghanistan. with our allies,lebanon
syria and soon iran!
multiple mosques,several hundred thousand dead. to many homes,businesses,schools and goverment buildings to count.
oh yea u guys are really losing the war.
muslims you'd best clean up your hate sect and go back to the koran and practice a peaceful religion before we start sending your homeland
a special "easter egg basket"

This is for any arabs who live in the USA. If you hate us so much go back to were you came from quite honestly we don't need you, we don't want you. If your an arab and you support the USA Please stay you are more than welcome.