What teachs a young girl to sell her body into prostitution and porn,CAPITALISIM! If young girls were taught communisim/socialisim they would learn that their body is not a commodity,it is the future of mankind,the nuturer of children and society, and much to important/presious to have belittled by capitalist!

USAcommunist
Illinois,U.S.A.

My brother went to Russia just after the wall fell in the early 90's and he took several rolls of film. The most telling thing was the VAST number of street walkers in the pics. He asked the manager of the hotel about the street hookers and the managers response. "Oh sir you do not want one of them, we have much better girls here on staff!"

Every one of these girls were raised as communist.

A simple google search will enlighten you about how rampant prostitution is running in Cuba.

A brilliant premise, USACommunist, simply brilliant.


(Next time you may want to put in at least 5 minutes research before exposing your soft underbelly (again) with yet another unsubstantiated assertion).

This is just another outright lie from "USSA" commie! I don't really fault "USSA" commie though, because of his/her profession of Christian faith. This kid is probably parroting some propaganda line that he saw in "Da Communard." This is most likely a mixed up young person searching for an identity.

I view this post as a cry for help. Really kinda pathetic.

fine, now the links to the stats from all of you.

They have no links or facts,they are just mad because they cannot argue the very truth of the origignal post statement,it's so obviously true that even a 6th grader can understand the validity of what I stated; capitalisim is the reason girls sell themselfs!

Your ignorance of what life was really like under the various Communist governments is astounding! I can recall reading an article in Newsweek back in the early 80's that talked about prostitution in the Soveit Union. Anywhere that you find people living in desperate poverty (as in a Communist country) you usually find prostitution. Sorry kids, it for real!

COMMUNIST ARE NOT RUN BY THE FORMER SOVIET UNION,COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM WILL INEVITABLTY TAKE THE PLACE OF CAPITALISIM WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT,it may be a long time coming and may not happen in my lifetime but,the only humane way the world will be able to survive in the future is thru either communisim and/or socialisim.Capitalist do not understand the meaning of humane so I know it's very hard for you to understand futuristic realities.

BTK,sorry,I should have pointed out all the failures of capitalist societies since the begining of time to conter your lies about the soviet union but,my last post was on my mind when I think of how you try to cover for capitalist/capitalisim,by the way do you deny that girls go into porn/prostitution for capitalistic reasons?

>>>>>>Anywhere that you find people living in desperate poverty (as in a Communist country) you usually find prostitution. Sorry kids, it for real!

prostitution is rampant in the states. don't know about russia and cuba. no stats?

Doesn't matter if she sells her body for a CD player (capitalist) or for food (communists) or a rock of crack
she is still a prostitute. What difference is the price that she charges?

There has been and always will be prostitutes, it is an easy way to survive.
Much like lazy slugs living off the productive members of society, ie communism.

I will give you an example with pre-berlin-wall Bulgaria and USSR - NO PROSTITUTION. Maybe it's not the education, maybe it's just opportunity - and communism gives no opportunity for perversions.

"COMMUNIST ARE NOT RUN BY THE FORMER SOVIET UNION,COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM WILL INEVITABLTY TAKE THE PLACE OF CAPITALISIM WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT,it may be a long time coming and may not happen in my lifetime but,the only humane way the world will be able to survive in the future is thru either communisim and/or socialisim.Capitalist do not understand the meaning of humane so I know it's very hard for you to understand futuristic realities."

Ah, yes! Let's talk about the humanity of the Bolshevik revolution! Let's talk about the humane treatment that German civilians received from the advancing Red Army in World War II. Then again, we could talk about the humanity of the modern day Chi Coms (forced abortions, slave labor in gulags, executing political prisoners to sell their vital organs, slaughtering the Bhuddist monks in Tibet, etc.) Perhaps we could discuss the humanity of the killing fields in Cambodia, or the humanity of the Soviet Red Army in Czechoslovakia in the 1950's (as the Red Army. Better yet, we could discuss the humanity of the Marxist regime in Ethiopia towards the poor mountain farmers (that later overthrew the Marxist regime in favor of Democracy) in the 1990's. We could talk about the humane treatment that the Romanian people recieved from the Communist dictator Nicholi Chauceskau in the late 1990's. Let's talk at length about the great humanitarians Joseph Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Fidel Castro, and Ho Chi Minh.

Let's talk about all of the people that have died trying to escape Communist China, and Vietnam. Let's talk about all of the people that died trying to go over the Berlin Wall. Let's talk about all of the people that have died trying to ride homemade rafts across the 90 miles of shark infested ocean from Fidel Castro's Cuba. Maybe that's too depressing. Let's talk about the Cuban Ballet troupe that had 14 members defect during a recent tour of the United States.

If Communism is so great-- why are so many people willing to risk their lives trying to escape it? Don't tell me, let me guess: the governments of Soviet Russia, Communist China, Vietnam, Marxist Ethiopia, Romania, and Cuba "were not true Communist governments," right?

They have no links or facts,they are just mad because they cannot argue the very truth of the origignal post statement,it's so obviously true that even a 6th grader can understand the validity of what I stated; capitalisim is the reason girls sell themselfs!

No, I'm sure Cuba doesn't issue statistics on it's own prostitution problem and getting these facts and figures would be difficult otherwise.

Reputation, however, oftentimes tells the tale. Maybe you could help me understand why Cuba is widely known as the "The Thailand of the Carribbean." (Hint: widespread prostitution). And odd reputation for a country whose women have been taught not to sell their bodies, isn't it?

Maybe you could help me understand why the Cuban government has imposed a 2 to 8 year prison term for those engaging prostitution. An unnecessary deterrant for a populace whose women have been taught not to sell their bodies, isn't it?

Odd that Castro would make this comment about prostitution in his country: "Cuban women are prostitutes not because they needed to be but rather because they liked to make love, and that they are the most educated and the healthiest prostitutes on the market."

An odd thing for a leader to say whose women have been taught not to sell their bodies, isn't it?

I don't need to provides links to prove that prostitution not only exists in Cuba, but is widespread, I only need provide you with instructions to help you find the information:

Google: Cuba prostitution.

Spend 20 minutes following up the links you'll find and you'll realize how ridiculous your title post really is.

You capitalists made prostitutes why don't you want to take your credit for that fact?

Have you always been this stupid?

Those debating skills of yours are pure gold. The use of so much reason and supporting evidence for your points. Seriously, who could argue?

your childish games don't work on me

Don't look now commie boy, but Ryan just knocked you down and took your lunch money!

The subject is who taught young girls to prostitute themselves,any 6th grader can tell you they do it for the money,then ask that 6th grader-why do they think money is that important to her, their responce would be,they need the money to live,eat,and pay bills; now I ask you BTK and RYAN,since capitalisim is as old as prostitution,who's fault is it that prostitutes have been exploited for sex,the obvious answer would be capitalists,communist/socialists were not even around when prostitution started in this world.So,take that credit that is due to you and stop tring to blame communist/socialists.

Wrong-O! A person of normal to hight intelligence would see that it is the fault of the prostitutes themselves for selling their bodies. It takes some pretty convoluted thinking to arrive at the conclusion that somebody else is ultimately responsible for a woman selling her body. I swear man, you have splinters in the windmills of your mind!!

BTK,so shes a capitalist entrepreneur,right,and being so she was taught to be a capitalist in her capitalist society,so capitalist societies teach young girls how to be entrepreneuring capitalist,(probably because her capitalist society offers her no good jobs and/or she is desperate for other reasons)she is belittling her womamanhood for capitalist reasons and exploited by capitalists like you BTK.I think your finnally getting the point,capitalisim taught her everything she knows.In a "real communist/socialist society" she would be properly taught that her body is not a commodity to be exploited by men,she would be praised for being the mother and nuturer of society and offered real jobs/careers to support herself in dignity.Capitalist societies don't teach her those things.If you cann't understand this explanation then print it,bring it to your mother,and ask her to read this and explain the truth of these statements.

I will say this again, this time in blue, so you'll see it:

I will give you an example with pre-berlin-wall Bulgaria and USSR - NO PROSTITUTION. Maybe it's not the education, maybe it's just opportunity - and communism gives no opportunity for perversions.

The only way to deal with "trolls" is to limit your reaction to reminding others not to respond to "trolls".

"BTK,so shes a capitalist entrepreneur,right,and being so she was taught to be a capitalist in her capitalist society,so capitalist societies teach young girls how to be entrepreneuring capitalist,(probably because her capitalist society offers her no good jobs and/or she is desperate for other reasons)she is belittling her womamanhood for capitalist reasons and exploited by capitalists like you BTK.I think your finnally getting the point,capitalisim taught her everything she knows.In a "real communist/socialist society" she would be properly taught that her body is not a commodity to be exploited by men,she would be praised for being the mother and nuturer of society and offered real jobs/careers to support herself in dignity.Capitalist societies don't teach her those things.If you cann't understand this explanation then print it,bring it to your mother,and ask her to read this and explain the truth of these statements."

Wrong-O again! People are ultimately responsible for THEIR OWN ACTIONS! Trying to blame Capitalism for women selling their bodies is like trying to blame the wind, or trying to blame the fire hydrant that you just walked past. It smacks of enabling irresponsible, and dangerous behavior! In a Capitalist society the percentage of the female population that turn to prostitution is low, because women have been a part of the work force for some time now, and as such women have a greater in range of career options available to them. Communism puts people in such desperate circumstances that prostitution becomes a matter of survival in some instances.

"In a "real communist/socialist society" she would be properly taught that her body is not a commodity to be exploited by men,she would be praised for being the mother and nuturer of society and offered real jobs/careers to support herself in dignity.Capitalist societies don't teach her those things."

This cuts to the heart of the matter. On other threads I have cited examples of the failures of Communism. Your only response is the "in a real communist/socialist society" argument. Given the collosal rate of failure of Communist societies doesn't it stand to reason that this Utopian dream of "a real communist/socialist society" is unachievable?

'This cuts to the heart of the matter. On other threads I have cited examples of the failures of Communism. Your only response is the "in a real communist/socialist society" argument. Given the collosal rate of failure of Communist societies doesn't it stand to reason that this Utopian dream of "a real communist/socialist society" is unachievable'


But communism is unattainable in just a few countries. This was stated by Marx and Engels before there were any commuist revolutions, it can only be achieved on a world scale.

>>>>"Wrong-O! A person of normal to hight intelligence would see that it is the fault of the prostitutes themselves for selling their bodies. It takes some pretty convoluted thinking to arrive at the conclusion that somebody else is ultimately responsible for a woman selling her body. I swear man, you have splinters in the windmills of your mind!!"

If only life were that simple BTK. She was born...then she became a prostitute. Nothing happened between birth & adulthood that influenced her decision making.

"If only life were that simple BTK. She was born...then she became a prostitute. Nothing happened between birth & adulthood that influenced her decision making."

Bingo! In this instance, it is just that simple. We are all ultimately responsible for OUR OWN ACTIONS! You can try to blame anyone, or anything you want, but ultimately it is still her decision.

BULLSEYE!

NO, HAT TRICK!

The point is,values that are taught,communisim/socialisim teachs better values/morals to people about capitalisim.It explains what capitalist explotition is,it strives to make/support good jobs and working conditions for its citizens.It is that simple,capitalisim has never taught any of those things to it's citizens.Prostitution and Porn is job/career that was made by capitalisim.

"The point is,values that are taught,communisim/socialisim teachs better values/morals to people about capitalisim.It explains what capitalist explotition is,it strives to make/support good jobs and working conditions for its citizens.It is that simple,capitalisim has never taught any of those things to it's citizens.Prostitution and Porn is job/career that was made by capitalisim."


Better values, eh? Aallllrrriiii-ghty then! Are you prepared to argue that Communism values human life more than Capitalism? Consider your response carefully. I've already cleaned your clock with this on another thread.

You are very opinionated and you think you "cleaned my clock on another thread",I think there has been enough of both of us responding to this post with both our opposing views on this subject.I will leave it to other independant un-bias people to make their own desision on this issue of "capitalisim and young girls selling their body's".Btk,you have the right to have a different opinion than me.

The subject is who taught young girls to prostitute themselves

I don't know, tell me who taught the Cuban, Vietnamese, and Russian girls to prostitute themselves? Do you dispute that prostitution runs rampant in today's communist countries? If you can't, retard, you DON'T HAVE A POINT!!!

How can you not see how stupid you look?

Here's a link you might learn something from, complete with pictures:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3814207

So tell me USAC, who taught the Chinese girls to prostitute their bodies?

Ryan---capitalisism taught them to do what they do,no mater what country they live in they are still doing it for capitalist reasons.

I must say the same thing to you that I told BTK;

You are very opinionated and I think there has been enough of both of us responding to this post with both our opposing views on this subject.I will leave it to other independant un-bias people to make their own desision on this issue of "capitalisim and young girls selling their body's".Ryan,you have the right to have a different opinion than me.

Ryan---capitalisism taught them to do what they do,no mater what country they live in they are still doing it for capitalist reasons.

How convenient is that? Capitalism is at fault for all of societies little 'uglies' regardless of whether you've lived under communism your whole life or not?

You do realize, Einstein, that China has been under a communist regime since 1949, right? Cuba since 1962. Seems to me that any prostitute under the age of 55 and 42, respectively, wouldn't be able to blame capitalism for any lessons learned in those countries, would they?

Once more, your argument fails to hold water.

Let me suggest something new. Research your assertions for at least 5 minutes prior to making them on this forum. In so doing you they may last a day longer before being taken apart piece by piece.

Castro and communism arrived in Cuba in 1959. Only prostitutes younger than 45 have the capitalist excuse there, right?

Ryan are you an american,if you are then why don't you talk about american prostitutes and american porn?

Because, you political genius, your post asserts: If girls were taught to be communist/socialists they wouldn't SELL THEIR BODY'S

I don't need to talk about prostitution or porn in American, I haven't denied their existence here. I need only demonstrate the fatal and obvious flaw in your assertion by pointing out the rampant existance of prostitution in communist countries (where supposedly girls ARE taught to be communist/socialists).

Understand?

Here's some great reading material on the prostitution problem in Cuba. You should enjoy this.

http://www.american.edu/TED/cubatour.htm

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

USAC you wouldn't be trying to distract the point of your own thread, would you?

When did it become about welfare?

Oh, I see, we're not talking about how females would be taught (and have been taught) in communist/socialist societies, were talking about how they would be taught in YOUR communist/socialist society.

You could have just avoiding all of this if you'd just titled the thread accurately:

If girls were taught to be communist/socialists IN FANTASYLAND they wouldn't SELL THEIR BODY'S.

Ryan,I told you,teach young girls about communisim/socialisim and they wouldn't sell their bodies,this is what communists would teach;


The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

Prostitution is the most ancient profession and has existed bofore capitalism and communism and will exist after them. LOL :)There is nothing wrong with prostitution as long it is legal, i.e. prostitutes pay taxes. Prostitution exist because there is demand for it Demand and supply, remember?

Teatime the above comment applies to you,I'm still waiting for RYAN's responce.



Ryan,I told you,teach young girls about communisim/socialisim and they wouldn't sell their bodies,this is what communists would teach;


The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

Ryan,I told you,teach young girls about communisim/socialisim and they wouldn't sell their bodies,this is what communists would teach;

It would, huh? Why didn't you say so in the beginning? Damn present and past examples of communism that testify to the contrary, I surrender. You win.

I wonder, may I use that astute debating style of yours? You know the one, where something is or would be simply because you say so?

RYAN,in your opinion america does not have a problem with prostitution and porn???


YOU HAVE NO SUGGESTIONS FOR STOPPING THIS PROBLEM IN AMERICA!!!!!!!

Ryan,I told you,teach young girls about communisim/socialisim and they wouldn't sell their bodies,this is what communists would teach;


The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

RYAN,in your opinion america does not have a problem with prostitution and porn???


YOU HAVE NO SUGGESTIONS FOR STOPPING THIS PROBLEM IN AMERICA!!!!!!!

Wait a minute, isn't this thread titled: If girls were taught to be communist/socialists they wouldn't SELL THEIR BODY'S

Despite that title, is it really about the porn and prostitute problem in America, only disguised in a way that would have the reader believe the assertion that women taught in communism/socialsim could in no way be prostitutes (despite reality)?

I'm sorry, you're going to have to translate your title posts and help me to understand what it is you really want to address.

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

right-o ryan and this is what communists/socialists would teach

(blah, blah, blah)...these type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program

What do you mean, "this is what communists/socialists would teach"? You talk as though socialist countries have never existed. I've got news for you, THEY DO EXIST and THEY HAVE!!! And, newflash, we can learn lessons from them.

I'm going to lay it down for you, just one more time. Try to stay with me. If communist/socialist teachings would preclude the proliferaton of prostitution in a society, then why does prostitution exist CURRENTLY and so prevalently I might add, in the Communist/Socialist countries of Cuba, Vietnam, China?

If you can't answer this question, effectively, then YOU HAVE NO POINT!!! YOUR ARGUMENT DEMONSTRATES (again) THAT IT HOLDS NO WATER!!!

Please, read and re-read this post until you honestly understand it.

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

The above communist/socialist opinion is for americans,to make them think of ways they could help stop this explotation in America.

If a true communist/socialist society/goverment is established,these ideas should be taught in public schools, above paragraph.

RYAN JUST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUNG AMERICAN GIRLS BEING EXPLOIITED BY CAPITALISTS,I DO.

RYAN JUST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUNG AMERICAN GIRLS BEING EXPLOIITED BY CAPITALISTS,I DO.

Yes, and USAC just doesn't care about young Cuban, Vietnamese, and Chinese girls being exploited by communists. I do.

RYAN,I am an american and I care about american young girls being exploited,you are an american and refuse to say/admit that american young girls are in-fact exploited,you continue to avoid americas problems and I will continue to post as I have been,until you address that subject,if you respond by continuing to ignor american problems,then I will continue to post my opinion on how america can eliminate/stop the problem.

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

The above communist/socialist opinion is for americans,to make them think of ways they could help stop this explotation in America.

If a true communist/socialist society/goverment is established,these ideas should be taught in public schools, above paragraph.

RYAN JUST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUNG AMERICAN GIRLS BEING EXPLOIITED BY CAPITALISTS,I DO.

>>>>>Prostitution is the most ancient profession and has existed bofore capitalism and communism and will exist after them. LOL :)There is nothing wrong with prostitution as long it is legal, i.e. prostitutes pay taxes. Prostitution exist because there is demand for it Demand and supply, remember?

Women have only recently been granted protections against abuse by men. Even in the U.S. they still don't make equal pay for equal work in most occupations. In the 1970's it was half what a man makes in the same job. Now it's 70 cents on the dollar.

Add to that pervasive, sexist, ignorant attitudes, like BTK's, and prostitution won't go away anytime soon. And it really has little to do with the money, except for the fact that a culture allows one group to exploit another financially. If they'll exploit them financially, they'll exploit them in other ways, as well. And they do. Women must live in such an abusive culture.

And it really has little to do with the money, except for the fact that a culture allows one group to exploit another financially.

And which culture would you be talking about? (I think you'd have a much shorter list if you spelled out cultures without prostitution problems versus those with)

RYAN JUST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUNG AMERICAN GIRLS BEING EXPLOIITED BY CAPITALISTS,I DO.

And USAC just doesn't care about young Cuban, Chinese and Vietnamese girls being exploited by communists. What's worse is that USAC doesn't care about young American girls either. He'd like to see them exploited by the same system that victimizes the Cuban, Chinese and Vietnamese girls.

You heartless bastard.

you better stay the hell away from my daughter, USAC, you commie-pimp pervert.

>>>you better stay the hell away from my daughter, USAC, you commie-pimp pervert

Ummm, think you have your posters mixed up. What did USAC say? Or do you refer to all communists as pimps and perverts?

USAcommie wants to impose upon me and my family an economic system that, historically, fosters prostitution.

i read the links, and apparently prostitution thrives under communism. usacommie is pro-communism. therefore, usacommie wants to turn my daughter into a prostitute.

i'm only going to say this once, usacommie: i own a gun.

Proudlib,yes,you have a gun,the question is,do you have a brain,you sound exactly likeBTK or Ryan

RYAN,I am an american and I care about american young girls being exploited,you are an american and refuse to say/admit that american young girls are in-fact exploited,you continue to avoid americas problems and I will continue to post as I have been,until you address that subject,if you respond by continuing to ignor american problems,then I will continue to post my opinion on how america can eliminate/stop the problem.

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

The above communist/socialist opinion is for americans,to make them think of ways they could help stop this explotation in America.

If a true communist/socialist society/goverment is established,these ideas should be taught in public schools, above paragraph.

RYAN JUST DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOUNG AMERICAN GIRLS BEING EXPLOIITED BY CAPITALISTS,I DO.

I searched Google for statistics on prostitution and communism.

There is a correlation. More communism = less prostitution. Prostitution was almost non-existent in communist Russia. No wonder Putin is returning to communism! All kinds of ills have entered the country.

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Finally, it should not go unmentioned that nowhere has global rollback been more thorough than in the former socialist countries themselves. The "Second World" of socialist nations has fallen into Third and Fourth World depths. In the former Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Latvia, and elsewhere, the capitalist paradise has brought massive privatization and deindustrialization, the defunding of public services, rampant inflation, and dramatic increases in poverty, hunger, unemployment, illiteracy, homelessness, crime, prostitution, disease, alcoholism, suicide, and depopulation-along with the emergence of small self-enriched coteries of gangster capitalists.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Parenti/Global_Rollback_Parenti.html

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In the Soviet period, prostitution was viewed officially as a form of soci al deviancy that was dying out as the Soviet Union advanced toward communism. In the 1990s, organized crime has become heavily involved in prostitution, both in Russia and in the cities of Central and Western Europe, to which Russian women often are lured by bogus advertisements for match-making services or modeling agencies. According to one estimate, 10,000 women from Central Europe, including a high proportion of Russians, have been lured or forced into prostitution in Germany alone.

http://reference.allrefer.com/country-guide-study/russia/russia95.html

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Prostitution on the Rise in China
Friday, Dec. 19, 2003 Posted: 7:42:50AM EST

Although prostitution is technically illegal in China, reports show it is slowly becoming a profitable industry.

The 2001 U.S. State Department human rights report for China estimates 10 million people are involved in the industry in one way or another, as a consequence of China's ongoing economic transition from communism to capitalism.

http://www.christianpost.com/article/asia/354/full/prostitution.on.the.rise.in.china/1.htm

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Today Moldova remains at the forefront in the statistics of trafficking in young women. The experts believe that the underlying reason is the emergence of criminal groups after the break–up of the Soviet Union which employ the desire of young people, especially socially disadvantaged girls, to earn for living.

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In Moldova traffickers export girls mainly from rural areas. They are brought to Kishinyov and sold to souteneurs for 100–200 USD. In Romania (which is a transit country in this case) they cost 300–400 USD. In the Balkan region their price is already 2000 — 5000 USD. In the Balkan countries a girl is first sold to a "decent" house of prostitution especially is she is a virgin. Later she is re–sold to a cheaper house of prostitution. As some stage she is thrown out into the street and only then police and humanitarian organizations pay attention to her. There are still facts of deportation of these girls as illegal migrants though under the international conventions they should be recognized as victims. At the international conference on trafficking held in Brussels in 2002, Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine made a joint statement urging to give the girls — victims of traffickers, the international status of a victim.

http://www.un.minsk.by/en/bulletin/2004-1/un-works/belmold.html

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Every continent has its own stories of war, poverty, and racism. To begin with this saga in the Balkans, one has to go back in history. Before the fall of Communism in Russia and in Eastern European countries, there were jobs of some sort. Children were taken care of by the State on some level. Some food was on the table. Granted there was a huge disparity in wealth between those who were in power and those who were not. Granted economies were poor, unemployment and starvation existed, but lack of jobs was not as rampant and prolific as it is today.

With the fall of Communism, and governments in transition — in some cases, in near collapse ­ crime syndicate leaders, in conjunction with small time criminal gangs — virtually all men - have replaced communist bureaucrats. Add to that, the feminization of poverty due to the lack of jobs, the lack of social services because of corrupt governments, and a deliberate lack of consideration of the ramifications on women and children, and what you have is near chaos in most of these countries. And, as a result of shifting from a socialist state to a market economy, the climate is ripe for women and children to become easy prey for ruthless predators.

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There have been four distinctive waves of human trafficking of women and children since the early 1990s throughout Europe. First, Thai and Filipino, then Dominicans and Colombians, then Ghanaians and Nigerians, and the fourth wave were victims from Central and Eastern European countries, including Russian and Ukraine women and children.

Paul Holmes, Inspector of Vice and Clubs, Metropolitan Police in London, England, refers to this situation as, "a global phenomenon, which started in Eastern European countries with the fall of Communism, and this tidal wave has gradually reached the shores of the United Kingdom, and it is changing the landscape of Europe."


http://www.helpsavekids.org/scope2.html

In the former Soviet Union, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland, Latvia, and elsewhere, the capitalist paradise has brought massive privatization and deindustrialization, the defunding of public services, rampant inflation, and dramatic increases in poverty, hunger, unemployment, illiteracy, homelessness, crime, prostitution, disease, alcoholism, suicide, and depopulation-along with the emergence of small self-enriched coteries of gangster capitalists.

They should also add: drugs and corruption.

I will say this for the third time, this time in red so everyone will see it.

I will give you an example with pre-berlin-wall Bulgaria and USSR - NO PROSTITUTION. Maybe prostitution is not due to bad education, maybe it's just due to opportunity - and communism gives no opportunity for perversions. And if the prostitution in Cuba is really that bad, if the USSR still existed, it would yell its head off at Castro to fix that problem and be like the other 99% of communist countries.

Can't see what's wrong with prostitution. It's a matter of personal choice. If you want to be a prostitute then that what you wanna be. If you want to go to a prostitute then you go. It's not a matter of economic system at all. And just don't point out that fake communist moral that we call "cap moral". You are desperately searching for reasons to say capitalist is bad, and may be thare are a lot reasons to support that thesis but prostitution is not one of those.

Economic system? You are seriously confused, my friend. We're talking about social systems, and yes, they do matter.

Communists invented prostitution.

Prostitution predates capital: The first prostitutes were hungry or cold or in some danger, their customers were the local men who could remedy these problems.

And this situation certainly existed long before anyone began attaching value to abstract representations of wealth.

That's pure communism.

Goods and services passing from each, according to their means, to each, according to their needs.

TruthBringer, that's just ranting. The truth is that in 99% of communist countries, prostitution doesn't exist, or isn't noticeable. I already said that it's probably not about the education, it's about opportunity.

>>>>>Can't see what's wrong with prostitution. It's a matter of personal choice. If you want to be a prostitute then that what you wanna be. If you want to go to a prostitute then you go.


I was going to post the stats re prostitution itself, but didn't want to derail the thread. First off, prostitution in ancient times was not a business transaction. Originally it was sacrificial for dieties. Don't know the details, but there's a history of it at Wikipedia. Later virgins were given to foreign guests.

There are many things wrong with prostitution. Most obvious statistically is that he majority of prostitutes had a history of substance abuse before becoming prostitutes. And, a very large majority had extremely low self esteem before becoming prostitutes. Abuse in their youth is a common factor for them. Also, on average, of arrests in the U.S., only 10% of the time are the customers arrested. But some cities are changing those policies. Black prostitutes are disproportionately arrested and incarcerated for the offense.

Now in the former communist countries there's a large demand for child prostitutes. Child trafficking is on the rise. They are used for internet porn as well as prostitution.

"Trafficking in persons — the illegal and highly profitable recruitment, transport, or sale of human beings for the purpose of exploiting their labor — is a slavery-like practice that must be eliminated. The trafficking of women and children into bonded sweatshop labor, forced marriage, forced prostitution, domestic servitude, and other kinds of work is a global phenomenon. Traffickers use coercive tactics including deception, fraud, intimidation, isolation, threat and use of physical force, and/or debt bondage to control their victims. Women are typically recruited with promises of good jobs in other countries or provinces, and, lacking better options at home, agree to migrate. Through agents and brokers who arrange the travel and job placements, women are escorted to their destinations and delivered to the employers. Upon reaching their destinations, some women learn that they have been deceived about the nature of the work they will do; most have been lied to about the financial arrangements and conditions of their employment; and all find themselves in coercive and abusive situations from which escape is both difficult and dangerous."

http://www.hrw.org/about/projects/traffcamp/intro.html

>>>>"i'm only going to say this once, usacommie: i own a gun."

I missed that. Please tell us what you mean about owning a gun, proudlib.

"The truth is that in 99% of communist countries, prostitution doesn't exist, or isn't noticeable."

Such as...?

Truthbringer,have any ideas on how to stop prosttition/porn in america,I do,I listed them about 20 times above tying to get a responce for someone to address americas problem and agreeing that what I outlined in the education system should be done,you will probably deny america even has capitalist exploitation of prostitutes/porn.

I don't know how to stop prostitution in America.

Do you know how to stop prostitution in Cuba?

http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/2003/0326cuba.htm

Truthbringer,have any ideas for america,I do,read these serious suggestions to stop capitalist exploitation of prostitutes/porn in america;

The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

Truthbringer, don't make me repeat myself. Hayseed already gave you examples, I also gave examples.

Hayseed claims: I searched Google for statistics on prostitution and communism.

There is a correlation. More communism = less prostitution. Prostitution was almost non-existent in communist Russia. No wonder Putin is returning to communism! All kinds of ills have entered the country.

Apparently, Hayseed, you haven't done alot of reading about Cuba and Vietnam. Vietnam currently lays claim to an estimated 400,000 domestic prostitutes, 20,000 of them children. I add the word 'domestic' because, apparently, prostitution is also one of Vietnams proudest exports.

for your reading pleasure:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/vietn.htm

And USAcommie, if I had a daughter, I too would insist you keep your commie prostitution recruiting paws of her.

Now you can add Vietnamese children being recuited into prostitution to the young Cuban, Chinese and Vietnamese girls being exploited by communists that USAC could, obviously, care less about. USAC it disgusts me that you want to turn, not only young American girls into communist prostitutes, but American children too!!!

You piece of sh*t, heartless bastard. Have you no conscience man!!!

Ryan,you must have trouble reading what I asked you,can you think of ways to stop prostution and porn in America,I can and the recomendations start in schooling,below are my ideas,don't you have any ideas on how to stop prostttion and porn in America?




The bad things about capitalist exploitation should be taught in our american schools more extensively,it is not,capitalist exploitation should be taught in social studies,it is not,why prostitution and porn devalue women and is illegal would also be a mandatory study in middle school social studies,it is not,at least 5 years of social studies covering these topics and 3 years of political science topics mixed into social studies class's.These type of class's would be mandatory in a communist public schooling program."Welfare" would be taught to mean a good word in a communist society and all women having children would be fully supported finnacially by the state with access to far greater benefits for housing,schooling,career programs,much more extensive than any society in the world has given its mothers to date; the entire time she is a mother---married or single.Real communists know the true value of women and mothers in their societies,american capitalists don't.

Ryan,you must have trouble reading what I asked you,can you think of ways to stop prostution and porn in America,I can and the recomendations start in schooling,below are my ideas,don't you have any ideas on how to stop prostttion and porn in America?

No I don't. How about you?

But then, wasn't this thread asserting some load of crap that communists don't produce prostitutes? I guess when we proved that one wrong you had to find something else this thread could be about, right?

USAC debating technique #1: If you can't prove your point, change the suject.

Ryan,stop acting stupid,you know what I mean,everything I said above could be and should be installed into the american school childrens curiculem,mandated part of social studies.America will never mandate the type of the educational topics I wrote above,but,a real socialist/communist goverment would.That is what I submit to you as proof that socialist/communist teachings in schools would help young girls from turning to prostitution/porn to make a living by,making her realize the female devaluing effect of that type of business.Educating her to the evils of capitalist exploitation and its moral effects on society,devalueing womans true role to mankind,by exploiting the female ,devaluing her to a commodity,a piece of flesh,satisfying sex object,and this does have a real pshycological effect on all of society especially young girls growing up in a overly materialistic and superficial capitalistic world.


And all RYAN can say is,I don't know????

Ryan, you're trying to prove that communist countries in general have a big prostitution problem by giving me an example with Cuba and Vietnam? Hold on, I don't think those countries would have become prostitutes if the USA hadn't raped them in the first place. You're trying to make Vietnam seem like the center of world communism, to give an adequate example with it? Come on now, I can give you examples of small democratic/capitalist countries, where poverty flurishes, drugs and crime have consumed the society, and say "LOOK! This is the best capitalism has to offer!" No, Ryan, if you want to compare the two systems for the same factor, let's compare the US and the USSR, shall we? The USSR - no prostitution. Now, how about the USA? Any prostitution there?

Under capitalism and democracy everyone is free to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't hurt the interests of the other and as long as it is not agianst the law. Everyone of us agrees that prostituiton is immoral, it is immoral as porn tv, magazines and videos. However, law and moral are not the same thing. Under democracy all are left to choose what to do and to take responsibility for it. The state is not a baby-sitter.

It's not that simple when it comes to traffic of women and when prostitution is mixed with drugs and crime life, like it almost always is.

And when it comes to crime it is not a matter of communism/cpitalism it is a metter of jduicial and police system. Crime is not part of capitalist system it is its greatest enemy because it is bad for the business.

No system supports crime. We're not talking about crime, we're talking about prostitution, and whether communism can deal with that problem. My answer is - Yes, it can and it does in most cases.

Prostitution is a problem only when it is illegal so we are talking about crime.

Ok. Communism deals with both problems.

MaxBul,they change the subject to crime being part of that problem but they don't admit that crime in america or any capitalist society is much higher then in communist/socialist countries.America has more people in jail than any other nation per capita.

>>>"Under democracy all are left to choose what to do and to take responsibility for it. The state is not a baby-sitter."

It's capitalism that creates the unstable conditions in society that lead to substance abuse. Under communism all citizens' needs are considered and all are valued.

I can't understand the point of view of Libertarians who ignore the fact that many children and young teens do not have choices, other than running away from their abusive homes.

Libertarians seem to want easy fixes and tend to give pat answers for complex problems.

One big problem with porn is that too many sick perverted guys enjoy it. I obviously (as a girl) don't look at porn but when I have seen some I couldn't see all those guys giving it up. In america our biggest problem is the number of people with low iq's and lack of morality.
I agree completely with USA communist that capitalism is to blame for prostitution - he is a pure communist and you can believe what he says to be researched and thought through. Communism would help a lot.

Lilly

>>>"Under communism all citizens' needs are considered and all are valued."

The economy is not objective, it is subjective. That's why, you can't say what are the citizens' needs because they vary from person to person. Under capitalism only basic needs are satisfied all others are left to be dealt with personally.

Teatime,is that your way of saying it's the young girls own fault if she ends up selling herself in porn or prostitution?

Teatime,porn is legal in america,you state that it is only a problem if it is legal,I assume your refering to only prostitution,however the same woman devaluing effects comes from legal porn,to counter legal porn,communists/socialists like myself believe in a education system that addresss that problem as I outlined in many of my responces.

As I posted before:

"Under capitalism and democracy everyone is free to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't hurt the interests of the other and as long as it is not agianst the law. Everyone of us agrees that prostituiton is immoral, it is immoral as porn tv, magazines and videos. However, law and moral are not the same thing. Under democracy all are left to choose what to do and to take responsibility for it. The state is not a baby-sitter."

Teatime,your lib. ideas are irresponcible,you libratarians are commical,you have this crazy no goverment,no laws,no police,no crime,no responcibility to others attitude that can only be laughed at,there is no sence in even discussing politics with any libratarian because of their irresponcible views on what goverment and laws should entail.You don't have to respond because we know your simplistic views of goverment/law already!!

"no goverment,no laws,no police,no crime,no responcibility" - I am exactly on the opposite point of view. However, I said that the basic principle of democracy is that " everyone is free to do whatever he wants as long as it doesn't hurt the interests of the other and as long as it is not agianst the law" and that "everyone takes responsibility for his action". I am puzzled how you have drawn that conclusion out of this. I would like to thank you for calling my views simplistics, however, they regretably are not mine but of Jean Jacques Rousseau. This outstanding philosopher has actualy formulated the principles of the modern western democracies. Please read my previous posts again there I have stated why prostitution is not an argument pro communism or against capitalism.

Libertarians do not respond to this serious topic issue,we communists/socialists are serious about goverment and goverments responcibilities,we already know all of your answers before you post them,your irresponcible views on goverment is well documented and we know you do not have serious answers to serious questions that we communist/socialist post.You might be able to convince some weak minded people of your simplistic Libertarian views but you will never sway any communist/socialist.You would have better luck addressing capitalist republicans/democrats with your beliefs because we are 180 degrees in the oposite direction of what you believe.

USAcommunist
Illinois,U.S.A.

Teatime, we're not advertising systems in this topic. This topic discusses a single social problem, and gives an example with a system that has managed to solve it, so everybody is free to make their own conclusions. This topic is pretty straight-forward - it is about prostitution - and my opinion is that communism does much better than capitalism in this matter. If you want to stay on-topic, you may want to try and prove me wrong.

And USAC is right - your views on "why prostitutio occurs" are absurd. If a woman has the opportunity to choose between prostitution and a regular job, she would choose the normal job, I am 100% sure of it. In most cases it is not a matter of choice, but a matter of survival. This problem does not exist in most communist countries, but it does exist in most capitalist countries. Prove me wrong - this is what the topic is about.

After not even trying to substantiate your claim that the US "strangled the Soviet grain industry" now you're back making assertions right out of your a**, assertions whose validity you haven't got a clue of.

No, Ryan, if you want to compare the two systems for the same factor, let's compare the US and the USSR, shall we? The USSR - no prostitution. Now, how about the USA? Any prostitution there?

USSR-no prostitution, huh? Did you spend even 10 mintues searching for the truth of that claim. Did you bother to read Pro_Guns post (the first response of this thread) and his brother's testimony of the prostitution problem in Russia? Here's a link you may learn something that deals specifically with the Soviet years.

http://www.american.edu/TED/russsex.htm

Not only have I mentioned Vietnam as an example, but read above, and you'll find links about Cuba's rampant prostitution as well as the growing problem in China. I've resisted including the Soviet Union because it no longer exists (for good reason).

And, yes, USAC, I have no idea on how to deal with the problem of prostitution in the US, other than addressing poverty in general. Poverty is the only proven common denominator in regards to prostition and it's frequency. And poverty is something communism has PROVEN to foster so much more effectively than capitalism.

There you go, now I've actually shared a general strategy on dealing with prostitution. Now let's hear one from you.

Oh wait, a couple extra years of dealing with the topic in Social Studies class. Yeah, that ought to do the trick.

You're about as naive as they come.

Firstly, I have proven you wrong because prositution is not a matter of political system but of moral values. Secondly, I have proven you wrong because prostitution is only a problem when it is illegal. You supported this particular statemen by saying that naturally every system is against crime. Thirdly, I would like to debunk your statement from your last post. Prostitution sometimes is a better option form certain women with low moral values who prefer money to dignity since prostitution is far more profitable than any regular job. And last but not least, when saying that my views are absurd you should support that statement with some arguments otherwise your statement is unsubstantiated.

Teatime writes: Firstly, I have proven you wrong because prositution is not a matter of political system but of moral values. Secondly, I have proven you wrong because prostitution is only a problem when it is illegal.

Teatime has a point. Prostitution, at it's essence, is a matter of morality, something that probably shouldn't be legislated. Who are you to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body?

Truth be told, if communist states have had any success in containing prostitution (and it appears they really haven't) it's been through their use of oppressive deterrance (excessive prison sentences that do not fit the crimes), not the wonderful values it teaches. Cuba, for example, will send a convicted prostitute to prison for up to 8 years. Excessive?

You're a fool if you believe otherwise.

You supported this particular statemen by saying that naturally every system is against crime...And last but not least, when saying that my views are absurd you should support that statement with some arguments otherwise your statement is unsubstantiated.

And yes, USAC, I too would like to see you substantiate just ONE of your statements. Just one!!! Start slow, don't hurt yourself, just try to substantiate one. (and keep in mind that statements containing no evidence, just words like "naturally" or "logic" don't qualify as substantiation.)

Ryan, you don't quite make a difference between the USSR and Russia, do you? What year are we now, Ryan? Doesn't matter, I'm used to debating against people who have nothing more than stereotypes for an understanding of the world. And I reiterate - USSR - no problem with prostitution.

It's also quite pathetic to try and make me feel bad for not being able to explain to you something you yourself refused to understand. I tried, several times, but you just didn't seem to listen. This is not the topic for it, if you're so eager to get an explanation, make a topic for it and i will personally explain it to you.

Teatime, where did you prove me wrong, because I must have missed it. Where have you proven that capitalist countries deal with prostitution better than communist ones?
I also think your views on women are shameful, my friend. Women aren't born with low morale, it is taught to them. What does this have to do with social systems? Well - communism (in most countries) simply doesn't allow (even morally damaged) women to become prostitutes. Liberal and capitalist systems, however do 2 things: give freedoms to pimps and criminals to force women into prostitution, and transform them into immoral whores, then says "those women were immoral anyway, let them do whatever they want". It allows crime and perversion, and in the same time claims to have given freedom and choice. Shame.

Teatime sees prosttution as a career/job posibility for some women and Ryan says he has no ideas on how to stop prostitution in america but does think it comes from poverty which he again has no real solutions for,you 2 people should start a new political party called the "do-nothing party",with the motto; see no evil,hear no evil,do no evil!You both have simplistic views on this serious issue.

Try and read it again, Max_Bul.

Here's a link you may learn something that deals specifically with the Soviet years.

http://www.american.edu/TED/russsex.htm

It's deals, quite specifically, with the SOVIET years. Retard.

It's also quite pathetic to try and make me feel bad for not being able to explain to you something you yourself refused to understand.

You should feel bad about that, you came out looking incredibly foolish. You're the idiot the threw out the ridiculous statement about the US strangling the Soviet grain industry but couldn't provide any substantiation (and still can't), save a blanket statement claiming the US strangled everything communist. A ridiculous statement that, of course, you provided no substantiation for either.

This is not the topic for it, if you're so eager to get an explanation, make a topic for it and i will personally explain it to you.

I'm calling you're bluff, you fool. Prepare to explain it to me.

USAC: I'm still waiting for an actual idea on containing prostitution. You have yet to present anything.

Ryan says he has no ideas on how to stop prostitution in america but does think it comes from poverty which he again has no real solutions for,both problems seem to baffeling to his limited intelect(libretarian)to come up with any real solutions. I thought that said it all Ryan so,did you think of a solution yet or you just back to agitate?

USAC, i'm still waiting for any suggestion of merit from you on containing prostitution. You're title post proved to be a wash. Come on, let's hear it.

I've never worked as a librarian in my life, but thanks for the honorary title.

Ryan, your "report" doesn't refer to USSR days. It does mention that even during the USSR there was prostitution, and even mentions a famous prostitute Regina Savitskaya (i searched google, but the name, even in Russian spelling, shows up only in your "report". Sure, Ryan, out of 270 million people in the USSR, your report only mentions 1 single girl and there was even an atricle about her in the newspaper!!! Your report also says "the silence was broken" without giving any proof that the problem existed before. My goodness, Ryan are you that blind? No prostitution problems, retard! If some whore secretly practiced orgies in her room, does that make it a nationwide social problem? You need a checkup, my friend. Let's continue with your "report". Oh yes, when does the mass prostitution start in Russia? AFTER the fall of the Soviet Union, retard. And how do things stand in the US? There is not only a nationwide prostitution problem, but it is also linked to crime, drugs and people trafic. Ryan, you are a moron.

"Women aren't born with low morale, it is taught to them."

Really? Have you heard about Netherlands. There in Amsterdam is the most famous red light district. Netherlands is one of the richest countries. Do you really think that those girls who work as prostitutes didn't have choice? As I said there are always people with low moral and that's is due to their upbringing not to the political system. Prostitution is not a problem because it does not hurt the interests of the society. It is only a problem when it is illeagal and it is one against the will of the girls. And you particularly admited that by saying "No system supports crime." And when you say that my statements are absurd than you should support that with arguments. As I siad otherwise what you say has no value it is just a blank, unsubstantiated statement.

Ryan the Elitist,I have to ask you what level grade did you complete before you dropped out of high school?It seems to me you don't know how to read or comprehend plain english,I told you what a socialist goverment would teach it's young girls and boys in social studies class's,about the evils of capitalist exploitation in porn and prostitution and,it's moral effects on society,devalueing womans true role to mankind,devaluing her to a commodity,a piece of flesh,a sex object,and this does have a real pshycological effects on all of society,especially young girls growing up in a overly materialistic and superficial capitalistic world.

What teachs a young girl to sell her body into prostitution and porn,CAPITALISIM! If young girls were taught communisim/socialisim they would learn that their body is not a commodity,the prostitute is taught to be a capitalist in her capitalist society, capitalist societies teach young girls how to be entrepreneuring capitalist,in a real communist/socialist society she would be taught that her body is not a commodity to be exploited by men,she would be praised for being the mother and nuturer of society and offered real jobs/careers to support herself in dignity.Capitalist societies don't teach her those things or offer alternative careers for girls in prostitution/porn.

The point is,values/morals,socialist have them,capitalists do not!!!

Teatimes prostitute,his mother,his sister,his wife,I don't know which one it is but its got to be one of them,the way he promotes and justifys it to us as a legitimate career makes you wonder why he would want a woman he loved doing this for money???

Is he capable of love with those ideas about women ?

You desperetely need arguments!

Teatime,that argument will shut your theory out,when I stated that you mother,sister,or wife go into the business of prostitution you just stop talking about the ligitimacy of prostititution/porn immediately don't you Mr.Hypocrite???

You are really desperate! My rethorics tutor told me that people who lack arguments start to insult their oponent's personality. Thank you for supporting his thesis.

Teatime,that not an insult,you don't respond to the sugjustion that your mother,sister or wife go into the business of porn/prostitution do you?Just answer the question,if the practice of porn/prosttution is a legitimate job/career for a woman as you claim it is then would it be ok with you if your mother,sistwer or wife worked in that buiness??

Oh, it is not? None of my relatives is,was or will be a prositute. However, all of them has education and can spell properly in their native language. Moreover, most of them have graduated from university. Now I am waiting for arguments because you are in a really deep sh*t now. If you can't support your thesis with reasonable arguments in your next reply your statement that capitalism creates prostitutes will be completely busted.

'You are really desperate! My rethorics tutor told me that people who lack arguments start to insult their oponent's personality. Thank you for supporting his thesis.'

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!! No, I'll need to do some more, HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! You wanna talk about insults Teatime, you've had an unprovoked condescending tone from the first day you came on this site. The first thing you said to me was to accuse me of, 'idealistic bull s h i t', and you said to Max Bul ,can't remember the quote exactly, but it was something like, 'this is all a utopian idea, people like you need to be told over and over again.' Oh and your most recent tactic was to bring into question people's education.
So I'll agee with your statement completely, but you obviously don't even understand what it means if you don't apply it to yourself.

Teatime,"None of my relatives is,was or will be a prositute."Thats all you have to say,why aren't they prostitutes or in porn,your the one telling us its a ligitiment business for women to go into,don't they want to make alot of money in prostitution/porn?You say it's a legitiment way for women to make money but you don't want your mother,sister or wife working in your so-called legitiment business for women,so,you know what that makes you,a big fat lieing good for nothing hypocrite!!!

You really do not read what I post. I said that all of are against prostitution because it is immoral. I can't see the link betwee I do not like prositution and capitalism creates prostitution. Oh, wait I saw. You do not like prostitution and you do not like capitalism. And you are trying to connect them, you did not succeed. Last:

1st option. A woman becomes prostitute because she wants to earn more money. I.E. she is free to choose what to work.

2st option. A woman becomes prostitute against her will, I.E. she did not want to. No capitalism inovolved only criminal activities.

Statement: Capitalism forces girls to become prositutes - BUSTED

Teatime,"None of my relatives is,was or will be a prositute."Thats all you have to say,why aren't they prostitutes or in porn,your the one telling us its a legitiment business for women to go into,don't they want to make alot of money in prostitution/porn?You say it's a legitiment way for women to make money but you don't want your mother,sister or wife working in your so-called legitiment business for women,so,you know what that makes you,a big fat lieing good for nothing hypocrite!!!


Don't squirm out of what you already stated just because I am asking you to explain why you mother,sister or wife is not in prostitution/porn.If you don't think it's a legitiment job for your mother,sister or wife than it's not a legitimate job for any woman.

As I said there are always people with low moral and that's is due to their upbringing not to the political system. Prostitution is not a problem because it does not hurt the interests of the society.


That was your statement Teatime,if its not a problem than you are justifying its exhistance and ligitamacy,but,you don't want your mother,sister,or wife to work in this business you justify,everone can see that your obviously a blatent arrogant hyppocrite because of what you say,and what you actually believe in.

Please take an IQ test.

I said my family considers prostitution immoral. And everyone is free to make a choice to be or not be whatever he/she wants. Tell me where is the hypocrisy. And :)I alredy feel winner you don't have arguments agaianst my previous post. Loser!

Teatime,if you family feels its im-moral than why do you keep standing up for it and stating that it is a legitiment career,aren't you then standind up for immoral values? Your argument that you don't have a right to push morals on anyone is not true,what do you think laws are derived from,they are derived from a societies social norms/morals.

By the way I do have an associated degree accredited nationwide in the field of constuction engineering/architechture,but,as I said before politics isn't rocket science so don't act like it is,only an elitist like yourself would attack anyones educational level on a political forum.

Teatime,I didn't like english either,that should have said "associates degree in applied science of constrution engineering/achitechture".Sorry about all my typos and improper grammer,I just don't care about "proper english" that much and I don't really think it matters as long as you get your basic point/views understood.

I shouldn't have told Teatime,now he will come back saying that anyone talking about politics needs at least a B.A. an M.A. or a P.H.D. and claim that my A.A.S. isn't worth anything.

No no no, now he's acting like he's the, 'victim,' who was forced off the site. We just questioned his elitist attitude about education and off he went, he ain't coming back. He's been condescending to us for as long as he's been here, and then he leaves cos we wouldn't bow to his will. I guess his definition of a victim is someone who tries and fails to force others to accept their viewpoint.

H&S,they ask for facts and attack me for not copy and pasting spam to justify my original topic statement but,I contend that it only takes common sence to know that prostitution/porn is not good for all the women in society,furthermore,when women are found to be prostituting and arrested for it,the socialists view of goverments responcibility to her and all of society is to fund her in training/education and job placement,that's what a socialist/communist society would strive to do;compare that policy with what capitalist goverments like the U.S.A.and how they deal with prostitutes when their arrested,nothing except jail her,fine her and put her back out on the street.It doesn't take a 8th grade education to tell which system of dealing with prostitution is more humane,moral,caring and better for society,the socialist thinking of goverments entailing role to its citizens.

>>>>"I don't know how to stop prostitution in America. Do you know how to stop prostitution in Cuba?
http://www.globalpolicy.org/socecon/develop/2003/0326cuba.htm

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The author of your article writes for the Digital Freedom Network, a right wing-ish libertarian or federalist pseudo-news website. They have a blatant bias against communism & Castro, in particular. You posted an OPINION piece lacking facts. Some bits from that site:

This is on their front page: " 'I believe that communism is another sad, bizarre chapter in human history whose last pages even now are being written. - Ronald Reagan' "

About DDF: Evident in our writing, we believe that free enterprise, limited government, rule of law and individual freedom are the most effective means to ensure the rights of men and women across the world.
<snip>
We seek to eliminate human rights violations through the implementation of the principles of freedom; robust property rights, free markets, rule of law, and legitimate democracy.

A few of the site's suggested authors:
William Bennett, "Why We Fight"
Walter Williams, "More Liberty Means Less Government"
Robert Kagan, "Of Paradise and Power: America and Europe in the New World Order."

Another article about Cuba (minus any facts) from their website: "A Glimpse of Cuba," These vignettes are a glimpse of my experiences and the people met while visiting Cuba to see relatives this past year. All of the names have been changed to protect these contacts. Cubans shared their thoughts and stories at the personal risk of harassment, detention and even years in prison. I feel obligated to share what they told me with friends and perhaps the press as well. -- http://unix.dfn.org/latinsouth_america.shtml


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Please refrain from posting mere opinion pieces. At least check to see if they footnote their work.

>>>>"Here's some great reading material on the prostitution problem in Cuba. You should enjoy this."

http://www.american.edu/TED/cubatour.htm

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Ryan, don't miss where it says: "Special thanks to the Cuban American National Foundation. Miami, Florida"

According to the Cuban American National Foundation's website:

"What is CANF? The Cuban American National Foundation (CANF) is
a non-profit organization dedicated to advancing freedom and democracy in Cuba."

The article is biased and certainly lacking in facts, as the author concedes: "I am hoping to relate Cuba's sex trade to its tourism sector, showing a correlation between Cuba's increase in tourism and its increase in prostitution. Because my topic is not a commodity that is considered an usual trade product, there are no readily available statistics."

>>>"Apparently, Hayseed, you haven't done alot of reading about Cuba and Vietnam. Vietnam currently lays claim to an estimated 400,000 domestic prostitutes, 20,000 of them children. I add the word 'domestic' because, apparently, prostitution is also one of Vietnams proudest exports.

for your reading pleasure:
http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/vietn.htm

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Ryan, Did you even read your link? I did & the info supports Max-Bull

There are 70,000 prostitutes in Vietnam - an old figure that seems far too low given the increasing number of new karaoke bars, massage parlors and discos known for prostitution. (government statistics Keith B. Richburg, "The Go-Go Dancers Haven't Gone," The Washington Post, 15 September 1997)

5% of prostitutes in Vietnam are children, which means that 20,000 children are in prostitution in Vietnam. This rose from 11% in 1991. (Christian Science Monitor, 21 May 1997)

Hotel massage parlors offer special massages, by the females, who earn only tips as they are controlled by the Momma-san. A massage costs $100 per service, but the price goes down as the night goes on. (Keith B. Richburg, "The Go-Go Dancers Haven't Gone," The Washington Post, 15 September 1997)

As high as two thirds of the Vietnamese government officials are known buyers of women in prostitution in, massage parlours, karaoke bars and brothels. Their activities are financed through government agency "slush funds." ("Vietnamese government officials biggest customers for prostitutes," Deutsche Press-Agentur, 2 March 1998)

Child prostitution is on the increase in Vietnam. The military and Communist Party officials have been implicated in the rise. (The International Federation of Human Rights, "International human rights group slams Vietnam," Reuters, 25 July 1997)


Help me understand how these facts and figures (take from the linke I offered) support Max_Buls's assertions.

The point is,values/morals,socialist have them,capitalists do not!!!rr


Ryan,you can point to all the prostitutes all over the world in communist countries and capitalist ones it does not mater because; your not admitting that socialists don't believe prostitution should be allowed in a society,period..Capitalists societies accept prostitution just as much as they except GHETTOS,which by the way is home to many prosttutes living and supporting themself in the great capitalist U.S.A.

Ryan,you can point to all the prostitutes all over the world in communist countries and capitalist ones it does not mater because; your not admitting that socialists don't believe prostitution should be allowed in a society,period..

Does this paragraph, in any way, make sense?

You admit (finally) that commmunist countries have prostitution problems, but in the same breathe claim communists don't think prostitution should be allowed?

Why should communism have to "dis-allow" prostitution when the values it teaches "nips (prostutition) in the bud"?

I think we both know the answer to that one.

As far as your comment about "Ghettos". Ghetto is just a word for poverty stricken neighborhood. Can you prove to me that ANY communist country has less poverty than the United States?

I think I've challenged you to this before, and true to form, you offer ZILCHO.

You really need to give it up. You suck at this.

Ryan said: You admit (finally) that commmunist countries have prostitution problems, but in the same breathe claim communists don't think prostitution should be allowed?

Ryan, your stereotypical way of thinking amazes me yet again. It commands you to find the weakest link (like war-raped Vietnam and sanction-raped Cuba) and attempt to portray it as the acme of communist morale. I think this just is argument drought in action.

Ryan said: Can you prove to me that ANY communist country has less poverty than the United States?
HAS or HAD? Clarify your question. Or better yet - make a new thread for it, because it's off-topic.

Teatime said:
1st option. A woman becomes prostitute because she wants to earn more money. I.E. she is free to choose what to work.

I conclude that most women will find the claims that you keep asserting very hurtful. You're technically saying that women are such creatures, that a reasonable percentage of them are born with the fate to inevitably become prostitutes. In fact, you keep attacking your own beloved system by saying there are poor people who have no other choice but to sell their bodies, to receive more money. This is not an ubiquitous problem, my friend.

He also said: 2st option. A woman becomes prostitute against her will, I.E. she did not want to. No capitalism inovolved only criminal activities.

In my book, capitalist/liberal ideology is involved in criminal activities as long as it indirectly creates them by allowing all of them to occur, and then unsuccessfully tries to fix them. It is a case of a completely imperfect system that advocates itself with the righteousness of its justice system, and discards the fact that it simply doesn't work in real life.

And Ryan you still haven't answered my question, how come you claim the good old USSR had a prostitution problem, even after your own "report" disproves it. In order not to repeat myself, I will suggest for you to go back and take a look at my previous post.

Ryan, the entire top half of the page is about trafficking women and children. They are sold to be used as prostitutes!

Also, the page says, "Vietnam’s open-door policy for foreign trade and investment initiated in the late 1980s has led to a rapid increase in prostitution and trafficking." ("Vietnam to stick with open-door policy-report," Reuters, 3 April 1998)

Finally, the page is prefaced with this:

Sources were not contacted to verify information. Close examination will reveal that there are contradictions in information depending on the sources of information (ex: how many women are in prostitution in Thailand). All statistics are reported with no attempt to evaluate which numbers are more likely to be accurate. In fact, the exact numbers in many cases are not known and estimates come from different sources which use different methods to determine what they report.

http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/factbook.htm

Hayseed,the topic is about values,not does this country support prostitution or that country support prostition,you fall for their diversonary tactics all the time,I don't fall for that capitalist diversonary crap.The topic is simple .What values do communis/socialist believe in and would install in their goverments compared to what capitalists believe in and have in their goverments and,how both types of goverments deal with prostitution and porn.

Globalization of Human Trafficking
Human trafficking, a modern type of slavery, is the third-largest, fastest-growing criminal industry in the world today. According to Interpol, trafficking in persons was a $19 billion a year business worldwide in 2001.

Congressional sources estimate that 2 million people, mostly women and children, are trafficked across international borders annually. The U.N puts the number at 4 million, held against their will to work in the sex trade and in other kinds of slave labor. The CIA reports that 50,000 foreign nationals are trafficked annually into the U.S. alone. The number of Americans trafficked within the country is even higher, with 200,000 – 400,000 American children prostituted each year.

http://nguoi-viet.com/absolutenm/anmviewer.asp?a=3682&print=yes

I think freedom of speech is the greatest value that democracies enjoy & communists do not enjoy. But, I sense in this (U.S.) type of democracy, it's allowed as long as it has no impact on the status quo. They let us bicker & rant on message boards, but of what value is it? Does it change anything?

I don't think women refrain from becoming prostitutes because they are taught to value themselves more under communism. Under communism, stress from paying bills, daily stress, is alleviated somewhat. And it's that daily stress that leads to legal abuse of our children. Parents take out their anger on their kids. Or, since we are judged and our worth as humans is determined by our material wealth under capitalism, those insecurities from not having the symbols of worth are passed on to our kids (from the parents). And the kids get it at school and from corporate marketing. You don't have that under communism. There's more time to just live. And parents can love their kids unconditionally.

THe one trait that prostitutes have in common is low self esteem. Abroad, it sounds like much prostition is due to deception and/or human trafficking. Another trait they have in common is substance abuse.

There are trade-offs with the two systems. There's less stress & abuse under Communism, but you give up some freedoms in exchange.

>>>>>>....Have you heard about Netherlands. There in Amsterdam is the most famous red light district. Netherlands is one of the richest countries. Do you really think that those girls who work as prostitutes didn't have choice?

Depends how many have substance abuse problems:

Netherlands

Illicit drugs:
major European producer of ecstasy, illicit amphetamines, and other synthetic drugs; important gateway for cocaine, heroin, and hashish entering Europe; major source of US-bound ecstasy; large financial sector vulnerable to money laundering

from the CIA Factbook

'There's less stress & abuse under Communism, but you give up some freedoms in exchange.'

I think you're making the all too common mistake of mistaking communism for state capitalism, the system that exists in China, North Korea etc. Communism doesn't just put more food on the table, it gives people more freedom than they have now through direct participation in government and buisiness.

Hayseed, some communist/socialists see prostitution as a problem,as I do ,and we have real ways of dealing with it as I mentioned previuosly,when arrested for prosttution the woman would get acsess to job training and placement to help her into another career,no capitalist countries offer those type of programs.For you to give the Netherlannds as an example is commical,Prostitution is legal there,that country is very capitalistic and no communist/socialists are in power,if they were they would try to abolish prostitution.In Amerca prostitution is legal in Nevada,you don't see american polititions asking for the abolishion of american prostituton.

Are citizens free to speak out against the government in communist countries? Without fear of imprisonment or fines? To protest? Mass demonstrations?

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Looks like these people are trying to define "state capitalism", too:

By "state capitalism" I mean a system whereby commodity-producing enterprises are owned and operated (and not just "controlled") by the state, and which may therefore be common to socialism and to the capitalist system alike. Insofar as the system is state capitalist the profits accrue to the state.

. Which brings us to socialism:

. By "socialism" I understand only that system that lies intermediary between--and is transitional between--capitalism and communism: it is a hybrid of the two. I do not employ the term "socialism" as a synonym for "communism." Implicit in the description of socialism is the concept: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his work", and that of communism: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".

. It is generally admitted that the socialist state will expropriate all businesses. But to do what? To run them or close them down? If to run them, how? To produce and sell commodities? To sell these commodities at cost, or to realize a surplus? From whence this surplus, if not from labor? And what can this surplus be, but profit? And what can an economic system be--technically speaking--which produces commodities and realizes a surplus but capitalist (once again, speaking in the purely technical sense)? And what can a capitalist system which expropriates and runs all (or nearly all) businesses be but . . . state capitalism? And should that state be proletarian, what then can that economic system be but proletarian state capitalism? And the latter, I submit, is precisely what socialism, in its initial phase, must be. It is true that when I employ the term "proletarian capitalism" I beg the question with the term "capitalism." If Communists find the term unsettling--fine, let them give it another name. Their objections are understandable--perhaps laudable; but nonetheless this rose by any name will still bear its thorns.My own personal inclination is to label it "state capitalism": it would appear the more honest appellation and less prone to obfuscation. What is of the essence, of course, is not the designation but the function.

http://home.flash.net/~comvoice/22cDebateSalMarch.html

'Hayseed, some communist/socialists see prostitution as a problem,as I do ,and we have real ways of dealing with it as I mentioned previuosly,when arrested for prosttution the woman would get acsess to job training and placement to help her into another career,no capitalist countries offer those type of programs.For you to give the Netherlannds as an example is commical,Prostitution is legal there,that country is very capitalistic and no communist/socialists are in power,if they were they would try to abolish prostitution.In Amerca prostitution is legal in Nevada,you don't see american polititions asking for the abolishion of american prostituton.'

I don't believe anyone should be forced into such an economic situation that they would have to degrade themselves like this, there should be such ample economic opportunites that no1 should feel forced to live a life of prostituition.
On another note, I once heard a radio show where homeless people who went to prison said they found prison to be better. Our criminals are treated better than people who have unfortunate economic circumstances.

>>>>"'Hayseed, some communist/socialists see prostitution as a problem,as I do ,and we have real ways of dealing with it as I mentioned previuosly,when arrested for prosttution the woman would get acsess to job training and placement to help her into another career,no capitalist countries offer those type of programs."

We have all kinds of programs to help women here. JTPA will pay for her GED or college, including day care & books/supplies. She can become a nurse, a teacher, a number of decent paying occupations FOR FREE. Unfortunately, we do a poor job of directing women to help sources.

You would think the local "welfare" office would direct people to such programs, but they don't. It's not part of their job description, apparently. If a citizen hears about a local non-profit agency that helps low-income folk, they are lucky. It's through those non-profits that citizens can get help with energy assistance, legal aid contact info, food pantry locations & hours and Section-8/govt. housing info.

If a woman is arrested for prostitution, she'll get a court date & her public defender's phone number. She will not be told that (at least in Illinois) if she is "low-income" she will have the services of a competent attorney (unlike the typical public defender) available to her for free, if she wants to appeal her case.

How do you know the courts in Russia direct the women to the agency that assists them with employment?

Hayseed,forget it,your a pro capitalist and you don't see it,prostitution is opposed by real communists/socialists,capitalists support prostitution,period. You chose who you want to support and believe in.

Hayseed,if that wasn't clear enough,you support prostitution by continuing to question communists/socialists real agenda.So,you can talk to your capitalist buddys about how to stop prostitution,good luck.

>>>>"...your a pro capitalist and you don't see it..."

You don't have a clue what I believe. What I'm after is the truth. You said the U.S. has no programs for females arrested for prostitution & that in communist countries they put them in programs.

The U.S. has its problems & there will be problems under communism, as well. But let's at least agree to debate w/o bias and without assuming things about the others. And, using facts.

Feel like a deer caught in headlights, USA-C?

Hayseed,,the pro capitalist,does america have those programs for prostitutes in Nevada??

Hayseed,tell us about the capitalist prostitutes in the state of Nevada,U.S.A.

Here are just a few resources. Then there's JTPA, mentioned above, through the Feds.

The sliding scale for child care services:
http://welfare.state.nv.us/child_care/FFY_2005_SlidingFee.pdf

Support for Self-Sufficiency
Funded Programs
Listed below are United Way of Southern Nevada accredited agencies and funded programs. Agencies are listed in bold typeface with their programs listed underneath.
See: http://www.uwaysn.org

This place sounds esp. helpful:
Women’s Development Center (702) 796-7770
Transitional Housing & Affordable Rental Program (702) 796-7770 Provides transitional housing, job placement, childcare and life skills classes to help single parents and their children become self-sufficient.

OR:

The mission of EOB Community Action Partnership is to eliminate poverty by providing programs, resources, services, and advocacy for self-sufficiency and economic empowerment. EOB Community Action Partnership provides these services primarily to the families of Clark County, Nevada, which includes Boulder City, Henderson, Las Vegas, North Las Vegas, and unincorporated areas of Clark County.

http://www.eobcc.org

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Services for Women and Children Escaping Prostitution
(Updated 07/14/04)

United States
Sex Industry Survivors' Anonymous
888-702-7273 (toll-free)
http://www.sexindustrysurvivors.com
Mission: Support groups for women and men who are currently in the sex industry and are trying to get out or who have already gotten out but are trying to find recovery. Membership requirement is a desire to leave the sex industry.
Services: Peer support meetings of survivors talking to one another. Meeting formats may be downloaded at no cost to all who want to set up local meetings.



California

Children of the Night
Los Angeles California
818-908-4474, 800-551-1300 (hotline)
http://www.childrenofthenight.org
Mission: Quitting prostitution is like quitting the Mafia. Dedicated to assisting children aged 11-17 who are sexually abused and who prostitute on the streets for food and shelter.
Services: shelter, rescue from pimps, counseling, GED preparation, ticket to go home, medical appointments, court appearances, se habla Espanol.

Mary Magdalene Project
South Gate, California
818-988-4970
http://www.prostitution-recovery.org
Mission: longterm residential rehabilitation program for women who want to leave prostitution
Services: food, clothing, shelter, medical care, individual and group counseling, job training for 18 months to 2 years.

Safe House
San Francisco, California
415-643-7861
Mission: a clean and sober living community for women leaving prostitution
Services: housing for up to 4 months, food, clothing, life skills and self empowerment groups, case management.

Standing Against Global Exploitation (SAGE)
San Francisco California
415-905-5050
sage@dnai.com
Mission: committed to improving the lives of women who are survivors of sexual exploitation, violence, and prostitution.
Peer support, referrals, day treatment program, clothing assistance, massage, acupuncture. community education.

Hayseed,where's the goverment agencies,none,the goverment allows prosttution by law,in Nevada it's legal to sell yourself.The other links you have are all charities,good tax write offs for capitalists and it makes them feel good about themselfs,supposedly helping a few girls out of prostitution.Everything considered,america doesn't care if women are prostitutes,the lack of goverment funded programs to help them is evidence of that but,it does have a few make you feelgood programs funded by charities.

How come Ryan and the rest of the neo-con bunch suddenly disappeared? Was that you, Santa, or did they just run out of arguments?

I did mention federal programs. But, the problem I see is that when a person is in need they go to their local welfare office & that office does not counsel them about the programs that are available. I don't know why that is.

Also, I forgot to mention Job Corps. It is also a federal program. I mentioned JTPA which is a federal program that helps income eligible people across the nation acquire training at no cost. It has a new name, though, Workforce Investment Act (WIA). They will pay for your schooling (tuition & fees), books, supplies, childcare, and transportation in any field where there is a demand (computer programming, nursing, teaching, etc.)

The second link is also for the federal govt. It's to Nevada's Dept. of Health & Human Services.

>>>>>"Everything considered,america doesn't care if women are prostitutes...."

If that was true, why is prostitution legal only in Nevada? Who would move to Nevada knowing the state is known for gambling & prostitution? Who would get married there? Yikes.

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ETA MISSION STATEMENT

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Hayseed,the goverment program doesn't work,it's underfunded and understaffed,anyway how can you think the federal goverment even cares about the problem when there are no federal laws against it? Secondly,all these progrms are a farce in the sate of Nevada,prostitution is legal.Basically speaking the American Goverment dosn't see prostitution/porn as a problem if they did more laws would be against it and a large properly funded federal program to deal with the problem would be inacted.Hayseed,keep tring to justify americas position on prostitution and I will continue to prove you wrong in every area.You were the one that posted what the Swedish goverment believes on one of your other threads,why do you stand up for the american goverments position on this subject if you are going to praise the swedish approach to the problem.I might note that the swedish social democrats are the ones responcible for its position on prostitution,they are pro-marxist to some degree totally 180 degrees off american democrats.

USA COMMUNIST WANTS SOME GAY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!

Capitalism, unfortunately, teaches American children that they need to get money. And there is no limit taught for ways for children to make the money. So some people sell drugs to get cash, some hustle sodas in school, lots of teens steal money, and there are way to many girls who decide to sell their bodies to make a lot of money very fast.

Capitalism is Survival of the Fittest, and whoever gets the most money survives the longest. And the fact is, prostitution is one of the highest money-makers in the U. S.

So, since capitalism is the economic system of America, many girls turn to prostitution. If America was a socialistic country, most of those same girls would not sell their bodies.

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"USA COMMUNIST WANTS SOME GAY LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!"

So what? Most communists do.

prostitution has nothing to do with capitalism or communism, it's only about poverty and education.

(Communism is dead since a long time ! lol ! come on man !! lol ! and about socialism !?! it's ruling my country -Belgium- : the result is that government takes back about 80 % of what people earn by working... this SUCKS ! )