| Reply to AW's & those who follow themSeptember 1 2008 at 1:31 PM | Steam (no login) from IP address 209.209.140.21 |
Response to Ancient Worthies and those who follow the same course |
| Ancient Worthies and those who follow the same course
September 1 2008 at 11:59 AM Bro. James (no login)
from IP address 75.59.205.83
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Steam: The Youthful Worthies are not following the same course the AW's trod. The AW's were individual champions of Israel; the Youthful Worthies are an organized group seeking favor with God thru believing what Johnson told them. Big difference!
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Response to Interested in any thoughts on this....
WT 1911 reference and others I'm sure you are aware of:
“Thus this Gospel Age is called the "acceptable day (or time) of the Lord," because, during this Gospel Age God is willing to accept a predestinated number as joint-sacrificers with Jesus. But as soon as that predestinated number shall have been completed the acceptable time will immediately end. No more presentations will be accepted as sacrifices--the antitypical Day of Atonement will have ended. But suppose that some should present themselves after the close of the acceptable time; what would be their status and God's dealing with them?
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Steam: Read Matthew 25:10, 11,12.
10- And while they went to buy the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11- Afterward came also the other virgins, saying Lord, Lord, open to us. 12- But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
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Since God is unchangeable, we must assume that He would always be pleased to have His creatures devote their lives wholly and unreservedly to the doing of His will, as He was pleased with the faithfulness of the Ancient Worthies to lay down their lives before a Covenant of sacrifice was in force. We may reason that as God has promised human perfection to those Ancient Worthies who laid down their lives,
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Steam: Does anyone know where to find this promise?
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He would be willing similarly to reward any who might follow the same course after the completion of the Church--after the ending of the acceptable time of sacrifice…”
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Steam: Does God set out this plan for the Youthful Worthies in the Bible?
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It’s obvious Bro. Russell was the Parousia Messenger and addressed items Parousia related. The Youthful Worthies we believe are an Epiphany class and had a 40 year call from 1914 – 1954 as the Epiphany writings specifically point out.
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Steam: Epiphany means bright shining or manifestation. Just how well did this happen between these years? The world doesn't realize that Jesus has returned; I would say failure to manifest this has been the result of the Epiphany movement. The bright shining is still in the future. Everyone has the right to believe as he wishes, but I for one do not believe what you are proposing.
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It has been suggested that the Youthful Worthies are included with the Ancient Worthies under G on the Chart of the Ages – Messianic Age on plan z.
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Steam: Might I ask who is making such a suggestion? Could his name be Johnson?
Plane "N" where "g" is located is for the friends of God, the AW's were all baptised into Moses and the Law Covenant; just which covenant are the YW's involved in?
How would one know that YW's are on Plane "N"?
How wold one know that YW's are alongside the nation of Israel in Christ's Kingdom? "Z" What scripture would indicate this? Where is scriptural proof of your beliefs?
Who made Johnson the Epiphany messenger? Where does the Bible say there would be an Epiphany messenger? These are serious questions which you should be able to answer quickly for your own spiritual welfare. Think!
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