Reply to Sr. Kelly

Re: Sister Kelly
September 12 2008 at 4:41 PM Sr. Kelly (no login)
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Response to Sister Kelly
"To consecrate one's self to the doing of God's will unto death, requires the giving of your earthly life right which was obtained by Jesus's death; as your ALL. That means you can not possibly be brought back to human life on planet earth. This would be true if accepted and spirit begotten."

Sr Kelly: I believe it is God who calls us and not the other way around. If God is calling us and not having multiple calls, then you are saying there is ONLY the heavenly call - door still open, this is the only way.
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Steam: That is exactly what I am saying, only one call is going on now. We don't pick and choose among several calls. God will decide where we wind up.
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Sr. Kelly: Then, you are no different than any other church out there that only believes in heaven - heaven, heaven, and only heaven, as if God would just put everyone there in there and that's it. But, we know the Bible says the earth "abideth forever" Eccl. 1:4, and we also know that God will give us a body that pleases him.
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Steam: You are putting words in my mouth but your last statement is absolutely correct! God will decide.
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Sr. Kelly: God made the earth for mankind to live on. God has planned his government - with a hierarchy. "You are a chosen generation, a Royal Priesthood." 1 Peter 2:9 They are also "church of the firstborn" and "firstfurits" They will be rulers as noted quite clearly by "Royal Priesthood." Firstfruits implies afterfruits....others. Not everyone can be part of the heavenly calling, and why does everyone feel that they should. There are 144,000, "a Royal Priesthood" the "Little Flock" (implies other flocks), etc., etc. One of those is the "great multitude" which came out of the great tribulation. "Lo, a great multitude...which came out of great tribulation." Rev. 7:9
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Steam: I understand that. Remember the race course, many enter but only one will win, others come in as second, third and so forth, receiving lesser awards but all bought their ticket to enter at the same place. Same here all buy their ticket at consecration but not all win, only 144,000 winners, others get another award.
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Sr. Kelly: The time of trouble came in 1914 - the great tribulation, and this multitude was manifested.
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Steam: Will you explain this to me? "and this multitude was manifested." I don't comprehend it.
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Sr. Kelly: And there are other places in God's government. That's why Jesus tell us in John 14:2 - "In my Father's house are many mansions." - NIV says "many rooms." In Jehovah's Kingdom, there are many places - opportunites - not just one.
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Steam: I agree, some believe there are 99 kinds of spirit beings; thus the many mansions.
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Sr. Kelly: And...not everyone received spirit begettal.
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Steam: A true statement!
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Sr. Kelly: And...what happens to mankind on earth if everyone who is "good" goes to heaven. Who rules on earth. Where is the rest of the company flow chart?
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Steam: The Church goes to heaven for only a half hour of a thousand year day and then it returns as the new Jerusalem. (Rev. 21:2) I'm sure you have read this.
1,000 /- 24 = 41 yrs. and 8 months. Half of this is 20 years and ten months for the half hour, the Church is gone from earth.(Rev. 8:1)
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Sr. Kelly: Mankind who did not give their lives to God in this life will have no one to direct them? They're on their own. That is not logical. 2Pet. 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." What does God define as new heavens and new earth - places where righteousness will dwell.
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Steam: This is Christ's Kingdom you are speaking of. The Christ will operate it and they will have the help of the Prince's or AW's. The nation of Israel will be blessed first and the Prince's will lead them.; then other nations will be blessed by Israel and pay homage to Israel. Please explain how a group, such as the Youthful Worthies; might be of any use to the Prince's, who are teaching the Law of the New Law Covenant to the nation of Israel?
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Sr. Kelly: Both places will have this. Mankind will have to learn righteousness and God must be developing some groups, some people, some authority in this life to work with mankind to bring about this change. And, how beautiful this change will be to all.
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Steam: We know he is developing the 144,000 and the Great Multitude but also individuals who develop righteousness above average will be used in special help places with their fellows. But they will NOT be called as a group calling in this lifetime.
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Sr. Kelly: One of my very favorite scriptures: Isa. 2:4 - "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more." No more war. No more madness. Tools of war will be put aside for the use of good instead. "And God will wipe away all tears from their eyes." Rev. 21:4
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Steam: I like that also. The God who wipes away all tears is Jesus Christ in his own Kingdom, see verse 7.
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Sr. Kelly: Jesus ransomed everyone - EVERYONE from the Adamic death sentence. That's what he did. "As all in Adam die, even so all in Christ will be made alive," 1 Cor. 15:23. All will be brought back from the Adamic death state. Those running for the High Calling had a special calling as all the scriptures dealing with them suggest - they had an opportunity ahead of the world and ahead of those non elect callings.
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Steam: Please explain one of these non-elect callings, I do not see any. I do believe that Jesus paid for all of Adam's family sin. Even tho his primary payment was for Adam.
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Sr. Kelly: So, no I not believe I am spirit begotten or am running for that High Calling - many of whom were so very persecuted. I would feel quite blessed, and thrilled in every sense of the word, if God felt I was worthy to help others on the earth in his Kingdom. I would feel honored. I don't have to wish for an honor that others had opportunity for. I am happy wherever God places me.
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Steam: That shows you have a good heart condition. But you mistake the reality of the High Calling for personal desire in everyone; we run for the high Calling because that is the only calling being made. Show me another in scriptures.
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Sr. Kelly: If you have never (and I know you are not) been a fan of Bro. Johnson - by far his best book (in my opinion), if you read no other - is The Millenium. Truly awesome.
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Yes, I am no fan of Johnson. Yes I have the book, Millennium.
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Sr. Kelly: You see how God used word pictures to show us the structure of the Kingdome. Beautifully done. My favorite chapter - Old Testament Testimonies. Wonderful because so many Christians have no idea what to do with the Old Testament. NT is all about the Gospel of Christ and the call to the Church. OT is about the earthly Kingdom and the "restitution of all things." I have used so many scriptures from the OT about the earthly Kingdom - scriptures that they don't even know exist. And, I have Bro. Johnson to thank for that. Many people find him quirky to read and difficult and deep, but wow....some of his stuff is just wow. Just try that book if you never try another.
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Steam: You need to study the Chart of the Ages. Yes, Johnson was a brilliant mind, that is the cause of his egomania. He felt that he was better than Russell and should have special recognition. Thus he found that two people were the Seventh Messenger, Russell and He. He also diverted from Russell's teaching by proclaiming the Church was completed in 1914; whereas Russell stated in 1916 that the Church had not been completed in 1914. You are following Johnson, NOT Russell.
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