| LHMM did have God's advancing truthSeptember 19 2008 at 11:47 PM | Waitingwun (Login Waitingwun) from IP address 75.168.117.229 |
Response to LHMN Splits and Such |
| This is my second post at the Present Truth forum although I've been a visitor at this board for several years now.
Distraught though we LHMM-ers...
(and ex-LHMM-ers)...
feel at seeing the breakup of the movement we've supported so many years...
Nevertheless that doesn't mean it was the wrong place for truth people to be for the past 90 years.
In fact God has shown one confirmation (maybe a second) of this. It's a concrete indicator as found in the Great Pyramid. It has an added benefit for Bible students in that it confirms Pastor Russell's chronology.
In 1979 our Pastor Raymond G. Jolly died. For many years he claimed to be leader of the Great Company. He expected to be its last member to leave the earth.
There is a passage between the Antechamber and the King's Chamber. (See diagram in 'Great Pyramid Passages' by John and Morton Edgar, Vol.2, page 76.) The antechamber represents sanctifying experiences of the spirit begotten (GPP Vol. 1, pages 114-118). Its south end marks April 1878 which Bible students regard as the date the First Resurrection began, beginning with the Little Flock (GPP Vol.2 page 83 and 259).
The king's chamber represents the condition of the divine nature.
Between these chambers is the Second Low Passage. It represents the spirit begotten going into the death state. Since the north end is April 1878, it stands to reason that it should indicate a time period which has to do with the resurrection of the spirit begotten.
The length of the Second Low Passage is 100.8434 pyramid inches. Using the standard pyramid calculation method of an inch for a year, it represents 100.8434 years.
So where does that bring us to? It brings us to Feb. 14, 1979 when Bro. Jolly died. It's to an accuracy of 1 in 6000.
Thus the Second Low Passage indicates the overall period of the First Resurrection (including the GC) from spring 1878 to Feb. 1979.
The above information appeared in an article in the Mar.-Apr. 1980 PT (our LHMM magazine).
That should qualify as solid chronological confirmation that Pastor Jolly was who he claimed to be.
Is this to imply the King's Chamber pictures both the Little Flock and Great Company? Not necessarily. This seems be one of those instances where God places something we would not have anticipated beforehand in a place where it is seen to fit after the fact.
While I've been in the LHMM all my life, there were times I've asked the Lord if I was supposed to be elsewhere. At such times I've been reassured at remembering this pyramid confirmation.
We can also notice that it's a proof of Pastor Russell's chronology. Indeed it's as strong a proof as was the start of world-shaking events in 1914 per Pastor Russell's prediction.
And now, what about these recent years since Pastor Jolly died? We see a scriptural confirmation also based on chronology.
Revelation chapter 7:14-17 refers to the risen Great Company. This took place in 1979 when Pastor Jolly died and the GC was raised to heaven. It also fulfills (or coincides with) the opening of the seventh seal in the following verse (Rev. 8:1).
Then followed silence in heaven "about half an hour."
Rev. 8:1 is the final verse of the picture of the seven seals. Some skeptics reading this will want to point out that it immediately launches into verse 2 and the seven trumpets of which the first sounded in 1874, and therefore the silence cannot refer to our current day.
In answer to this I point out... Rev. 8: 1 is not part of the picture of the seven trumpets, but part of the seven seals picture. The various pictures in Revelation run within timespans that overlap to some extent. Skeptics may ask 'then why is the seventh seal and the silence included with the trumpets? Answer: It's an error which happened when chapter and verse divisions were added in the 1500's. The chapter division should have been placed AFTER verse 1.
And what is meant by "about half an hour"?
Reckoning a thousand years per day, we have an hour equal to 41.67 years (1000 divided by 24). Therefore a half hour is 20.83 years.
The word 'about' suggests the time period is either not definite or isn't precisely 20.83 years.
What is meant by 'silence in the heavens'? And what happens when it ends? No one could have known for sure prior to whatever really happens. Among the possibilities... The silence might lead up to severe turmoil breaking out in christendom. Or among the Christian denominations. Or turmoil breaking out in the catholic papal system. Or turmoil in the Bible students. Or the JW's.
Or the silence might be a quiet time doctrine-wise.
Whatever the silence is, we may wonder 'does something noisy happen when it ends?'
And we might ask, what date fulfills this 'about half an hour' which started in 1979?
First let's look at dates we would have expected to be fulfillments.
1994 was an obvious timepoint to look at for many reasons. It was 15.6 years after 1979 which is 75 percent of 20.83 years. However 1994 saw no earthshaking events in the secular or religious world.
December 1999 was another timepoint to look at. Just about exactly a millennial half-hour after 1979. The Y2K computer problem was expected to cause technological breakdowns and possible social breakdown as well. The impact turned out to be less than was feared. No major event in either the secular or religious world.
However now in 2008, seeing the present turmoil among the LHMM, it's plausible to say a religious 'noise' is growing loud. The silence in the heavens seems to have ended.
And it lasted a half hour, approximately. This reflects that the turmoil took a few years to grow and affect LHMM brethren once it began in 2004 when a new Executive Trustee unexpectedly set on a wayward course. It's led to divisions and splitups among LHMM brethren worldwide. For many decades we enjoyed peace. Thus the present uproar punctuates the comparative silence among our movement after all these years.
Our LHMM problems may not greatly affect Bible students in the other truth groups. Yet we can nevertheless say it's remarkable to be able to point out a scriptural timespan coinciding with such events. (We can only hope that similar turmoil does not decimate the Bible students.)
And so naturally we wonder what's going to happen next?... now that the picture of the seven seals has ceased?
One step we can try is to locate a parallel passage and see where events go from there. Indeed we find a parallel passage in Revelation 19: 6-9, where the GC is depicted in heaven using similar language as chapter 7. What events follow on earth? The great supper of God, although no particular timeframe is given.
While we're brainstorming there's another possibility which comes to mind. Could the half hour which began in 1979 be tied in with some other time period in the Bible? An hour for instance? Adding 41.67 years to Feb. 1979 would take us to autumn 2020. There are several passages where an hour is mentioned in Revelation. Some relate to tribulation and judgment (as chapter 18). There may be one or more of these yet to fulfill, perhaps with a tie-in to Rev. 8: 1.
Another future date to look at is 2018 because we're approaching 70 years after Israel declared statehood (1948). Also notice that 70 years earlier was the Berlin congress of nations when the invitation was opened to Jews to immigrate to Canaan/Palestine. At the present date (2008) Israel is increasingly under attack by terrorism on one hand and is being forsaken by allies on the other.
Does someone say "it's useless for us to speculate about future dates"? And so it is speculation. Nevertheless it's scripturally based speculation.
We mustn't call it useless. Isn't it one of the ways the faithful are supposed to watch and pray? We investigate all options before us, and peer down each avenue, on the chance one of them may turn out to be the Lord's voice telling us to turn to the right or the left.
In the meantime we fall back on what we've done all along. We take note of what goes on in the world and especially what goes on in Israel.
And now since God appears to be letting the LHMM fall apart (despite our longtime hopes and prayers and efforts)...
Should Bible students look on and feel entitled to congratulate themselves for not being part of us all this time? Not necessarily -- for the reason that the LHMM is evidently the place where God's truth had advanced furthest, as of 1979.
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| Responses- Question: - Steam on Sep 20, 2008, 8:14 PM
- God's Advancing Truth - Steam on Sep 21, 2008, 4:38 PM
- About a half an hour later... - Regan on Sep 21, 2008, 11:39 PM
- and thank you... - Regan on Sep 21, 2008, 11:44 PM
- God's advancing truth - Bro. James on Sep 22, 2008, 6:59 AM
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