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I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009 at 1:17 PM

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why Michael Jackson and not David Bowie was considered the King Of Pop. If anyone deserved to be the King, it was Bowie.

Not to disrespect the departed or to crack the crystal of any Michael jackson fans, but while Jacko did have some good danceable songs, I never thought he had much of a voice. To me, he was a grown man with the voice of an infant -- or at least someone with some kind of development/maturity problem, like some hormone deficiency didn't let his voice develop. Why someone who sounds like a case of arrested development would take the title of King of Pop over someone with the voice of an angel is beyond me.

And as far as looks, I think that calling Michael Jackson a handsome or sexy fellow is like calling a bag of potato chips a nutritionally balanced lunch. That's just my opinion. Many of you may think Jacko was gorgeous. I respect that. Just stating my personal opinion. Jacko certainly didn't have the enchanting special glow about him that The Gentleman has, in my opinion.

So, I often wondered how did Jacko get to be called The King of Pop rather than Bowie, whose Let's Dance was right up there with Thriller on the charts back in the day happy.gif

 
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Skirty
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Sheesh already....!

July 18 2009, 1:29 PM 


 
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pymander
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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 3:53 PM 


Bowie is way past being 'King'. Is beyond being King...
And Bowie's career has nothing to do with 'Pop'...
According to himself he doesn't even't make pop-music
or rock 'n' roll music. I think he is even way past those
categories. Who wants to stuck with a label on his head?
I for sure wouldn't want that...

And what's up with those self proclamed titles anyway?
Let's give yourself a title and when everybody starts
calling you that, well then it must be true! The truth
is made by the majority, isn't it?

The press likes to call David 'the chameleon of rock',
and we all know David's thoughts about that, don't we?

So, yes, according to pop(ular/majority) standards, MJ is the
self-proclamed 'king of pop'. And yes, someone very special
has died. Someone very talented indeed. Of the true 'pop'
icons just Madonna remains. Bowie is no icon, no king, no
popartist. He is Bowie. That's enough for a title...

 
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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 3:59 PM 

Isn't DB more like the Queen of Pop?

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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 4:02 PM 


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Well he stopped being a queen a long time ago didn't he?
So that title won't fit him for the biggest part of his
career...

 
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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 4:02 PM 

Once a Queen...

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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 4:14 PM 

Queenie Watts!

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re:Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 4:28 PM 

Pymander, GREAT point. Bowie is Bowie, and you can't get much higher

 
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...but you got problems

July 18 2009, 4:56 PM 

A sycophant is a person who seeks favor by flattering people of wealth or influence"

I reckons Bowie don't like your type Sparky.

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Re: King Of Pop

July 18 2009, 5:25 PM 

The point was made but should be underlined: Mr. Jackson started calling himself the "King of Pop" and the press simply repeated it.

Mr. Bowie seems to have been only sporadically concerned with being a pop star. He's treated pop music much like Mr. Warhol treated painting: as a means to an end which may not have had that much to do with what got into heavy rotation.

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July 18 2009, 6:29 PM 

Bowie was a lot more prolific than MJ. MJ only released 2 solo albums a decade.

E.G. If Bowie's studio albums were condensed down to the most chart friendly songs crammed into 9 albums, like this, Bowie could have been bigger:

69 1 Hunky World Oddity
Space Oddity
Letter To Hermione
Memory Of A Free Festival
The Man Who Sold The World
After All

Saviour Machine
Changes
Quicksand
Life On Mars
Bewlay Brothers

72 2 Ziggy, A Lad In Pin Ups
Ziggy Stardust
Starman
John, I'm Only Dancing (sax)
Moonage Daydream
Rock n Roll Suicide

Aladdin Sane
Lady Grinning Soul
Jean Genie
Drive In Saturday
Time

76 3 Young Diamond Station
Rebel Rebel
Sweet Thing
1984
Fame
Young Americans

Can You Hear Me?
Station To Station
Golden Years
Wild Is The Wind

79 4 Berlin
Speed Of Life
Be My Wife
Sound & Vision
Heroes
Joe The Lion

Beauty & The Beast
Boys Keep Swinging
D.J.
Fantastic Voyage
Look Back In Anger

83 5 Scary Dancers Tonight
Ashes To Ashes
Fashion
Scary Monsters
Let's Dance
Modern Love

China Girl
Cat People
Loving The Alien
Blue Jean
Under Pressure


86 6 Never OST Machine
Absolute Beginners
Time Will Crawl
Day In Day Out
Undergound
Dancing In The Streets

This Is Not America
Never Let Me Down
When The Wind Blows
Under The God
Prisoner Of Love


907 Black Tin Of Suburbia
Baby Universal
You Belong In Rock N Roll
One Shot
Jump They Say
Nite Flights

Black Tie White Noise
Miracle Goodnight
Real Cool World
Buddha Of Suburbia
Strangers When We Meet


93 8 Earthling Outside Hours

Hallo Spaceboy remix
Little Wonder
Dead Man walking
Telling Lies
Hearts Filthy Lesson

I'm Afraid Of Americans
I Have Not Been To Oxford Town
Thursdays Child
Survive
Seven Remix

97
9 Heathen Toying with Reality

Slow Burn
Conversation Piece
Slip Away
Everyone Says Hi
Wood Jackson

She'll Drive The Big Car
New Killer Star
Waterloo Sunset
Afraid
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Re: King Of Pop

July 18 2009, 6:54 PM 

"Mr. Jackson started calling himself the "King of Pop" and the press simply repeated it."

Slap me sideways and call me Ziggy! I thought the media and fans dubbed him that. My bad

 
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Re: I often wondered . . . .

July 18 2009, 11:03 PM 

"And as far as looks, I think that calling Michael Jackson a handsome or sexy fellow is like calling a bag of potato chips a nutritionally balanced lunch. That's just my opinion. Many of you may think Jacko was gorgeous. I respect that. Just stating my personal opinion. Jacko certainly didn't have the enchanting special glow about him that The Gentleman has, in my opinion."

I never thought MJ was "gorgeous". He looked the best(imho) during the Thriller era. I really wished he would've left that poor nose of his alone.


"Bowie is no icon"

I would highly disagree.

In my view, Bowie is more of an icon than MJ is/was.



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Jacko vs The Gentleman (Points for Bowie!)

July 19 2009, 2:03 AM 

"He looked the best(imho) during the Thriller era."

Ahhhh, Merc, but MJ's face during the Thriller era (and before) was just a face. Bowie's face is a work of art! wink.gif

And I agree that Bowie was more of an icon than Jacko could ever hope to be!

 
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Re: Jacko vs The Gentleman (Points for Bowie!)

July 19 2009, 1:40 PM 

< "And as far as looks, I think that calling Michael Jackson a handsome or sexy fellow is like calling a bag of potato chips a nutritionally balanced lunch. That's just my opinion. Many of you may think Jacko was gorgeous. I respect that. Just stating my personal opinion. Jacko certainly didn't have the enchanting special glow about him that The Gentleman has, in my opinion." >>

What a load of tosh LOL! Jacko didn't have any special enchanting glow about him? really! have you ever seen the DVD of his which was filmed during the Dangerous tour. If you can't see what was special enchanting and sexy about him after watching that DVD then you seriously must be dead from an artistic enchanting and pure entertainment view point. As for not being handsome or whatever well! he was certainly a good looking and handsome fellow to me especially up to and around the Bad periods.( and no I'm not gay) Yes he went a bit OTT near the end with the plastic surgery or whatever and you could say he was in some ways ugly towards the end, but to me he was still enchanting in that weird kind of way that made Bowie look enchanting at his wackiest. Besides when was David Bowie ever a bloody pin up model? yeah he was attractive but not in the literal sense of the term good looks, if you know what I mean. At the end of the day it's all relative to whoever isn't it.


< In my view, Bowie is more of an icon than MJ is/was. >>

Again utter crap! MJ was as big an icon as Bowie only in a different way and a different music genre.



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Re: Jacko vs The Gentleman (Points for Bowie!)

July 19 2009, 1:51 PM 

There was no template for David Bowie!
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Re: Jacko vs The Gentleman (Points for Bowie!)

July 19 2009, 1:53 PM 

I think Sparky is Coco! wink.gif

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yeah...

July 19 2009, 1:54 PM 

Coco-NUTZ...!

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Re: yeah...

July 19 2009, 6:15 PM 

<< So, I often wondered how did Jacko get to be called The King of Pop rather than Bowie, whose Let's Dance was right up there with Thriller on the charts back in the day >>

ROFL! wink.gif Dearie dearie me! put it this way Sparky, Thriller is the biggest selling album of all time and unlikely to be beaten due to all this modern day downloading lark according to those in the know. Also it's reckoned Thriller has either been owned or is still owned by 1 in 5 people, according to what I recently read.

Put it this way, Brilliant as we think David Bowie is and of course he is, in terms of global scale of success and I suppose general public appeal, Michael Jackson is streets ahead of Bowie. I bet if you did a straw poll of all the kids / young people across the world today, MJ would be more widely recognised than db. However it's impossible to compare the two really because MJ was pop and Bowie was more specialised and arty.

Also Let's Dance certainly wasn't up there with Thriller??? as an album.

So yeah! I think Jackson was perfectly justified being called the king of pop whoever started the tag.

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July 21 2009, 8:56 PM 

MJ started calling himself the King of Pop because of white folks loving him in a way they loved Elvis. White kids especially loved his Triller. Michael made black music cool to that generation of white kids and of course blacks loved him. Mike should've taken the title "King of soul". Mike would not like this cuz that would make him a black man. He'll have none of that. So it had to be pop.

Bowie would not be King of Pop cuz he only made a few tunes that would be regarded as pop. Elton would fit that better. Bowie is above all that in that he is Bowie. Sir David Bowie or Bowie king of whatever would dimenish the title David Bowie.

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July 21 2009, 8:58 PM 

As far as Michaels voice is concerned. It was perfect. Bowie's wasn't.

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Clover

July 21 2009, 9:24 PM 

Under pressure people admit to all kinds of things, but never to being bores with crap ideas...!

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What meanest thou?

July 22 2009, 1:22 PM 

What are the crap ideas?

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Re: What meanest thou?

July 24 2009, 5:07 PM 

Evidently, a group of people do not admire the members for being honest at all.


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July 24 2009, 5:28 PM 

"Mr. Jackson started calling himself the "King of Pop" and the press simply repeated it."

Slap me sideways and call me Ziggy! I thought the media and fans dubbed him that. My bad"

No get your facts right. He was first called the King of Pop by Elizabeth Taylor at an award show in 1989

 
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Re: What meanest thou?

July 24 2009, 5:39 PM 

"ROFL! Dearie dearie me! put it this way Sparky, Thriller is the biggest selling album of all time and unlikely to be beaten due to all this modern day downloading lark according to those in the know. Also it's reckoned Thriller has either been owned or is still owned by 1 in 5 people, according to what I recently read"

Exactly! i bought the Thriller only because i liked two tracks on it, i bought hundreds of records just for one or two songs, now a days just download the good tracks.

 
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Master clover

July 24 2009, 6:48 PM 

Distrust is not a true angel...!

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