Milk is an exceptionally good movie. Very sad at times and makes you realise the enormous uphill struggle gay people had against the bigoted rightwing Christian movement in America.
Heartwarming indeed Doc.
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She started some shit called 'Save Our Children' claiming that gay people wanted to indoctrinate kids as they couldn't have their own (WTF?).
Later she got divorced and her church abandoned her.
well you have got to admire him for trying.... although i totally agree with equal rights for gays (all people really) i wonder if this was the right week / month to take this on. the republicans already have him on the ropes over healthcare and afghanistan and a third big contentious issue like this could really be the straw that broke the camels back. he has at least TRIED to do most of the things he promised before the election (a giant improvement in and of itself) BUT i would like him to SUCCEED in one of them before taking on all comers.i seriously admire the man...just dont want to see him bite off more than he can chew.
Being a gay guy in America- this is a weird mixed bag for me.
There's a certain air of hypocrisy in Milk that bothers me. The film constructs a world where lesbians are almost non-existent, and you have an older white self-employed man telling a group of the same, "here's our first taste of power."
Right.
I signed up to work for Obama during the elections- and the one thing I learned about him is that he's far more patient than those that surround him. He doesn't freak out about "the big issues" and instead rides them out to eventually get his way after the hubbub has died down. He's not all that reactionary.
I think Obama will get to it when he feels like it. As long as he gets to it, I don't mind waiting- and hopefully we'll get health care in the mean time.
He said that he felt that it was unfair that they portrayed Milk's killer as a homophobe. I have yet to see the film (mostly because i can't stand Sean Penn)...so i have no idea how Dan White was portrayed. From what i hear, Dan White even had a gay campaign manager and even voted on most issues relating to the San Francisco gay community.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
If a conservative doesn't like guns, they don't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, then no one should have one.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, they don't eat meat.
If a liberal is, they want to ban all meat products for everyone.
If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.
If a black man or Hispanic is conservative, they see themselves as independently
successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels..
Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church.
A liberal wants any mention of God or religion silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it ,or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that his neighbors pay for his.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
So it was OK for Dan to shoot him and the mayor Nick? I don't really understand what you and your gay friend are trying to say. Was he a patriot fighting the good fight? I'm really not clear on your point...
>>>He said that he felt that it was unfair that they portrayed Milk's killer as a homophobe. I have yet to see the film (mostly because i can't stand Sean Penn)...so i have no idea how Dan White was portrayed. From what i hear, Dan White even had a gay campaign manager and even voted on most issues relating to the San Francisco gay community.<<
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Why don't you rent the movie out? I presume your DVD player is multi-sexual
Then tell us what YOU think instead of listening to gossip.
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LOL!! He isn't a mind reader. How would he know what i want to hear?? LOL. I have researched the FACTS about Milk. Hollywood is not FACT. If you have based your opinion on Milk's story from a movie...that is sad. Hollywood twists facts beyond recognition. After speaking with my brother-in-law, i began reading about Milk.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Who said that i don't like him for his beliefs??? That is YOU putting words in my mouth. I don't like Sean Penn movies. How is that not liking his beliefs? And...why don't you respond to what i replied with about your Hollywood facts versus REAL facts?
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
***Who said that i don't like him for his beliefs??? That is YOU putting words in my mouth. I don't like Sean Penn movies. How is that not liking his beliefs? And...why don't you respond to what i replied with about your Hollywood facts versus REAL facts?***
Sean Penn is a multitalented actor who has played many different roles in movies.
You expect me to believe you haven't liked even ONE of his movies?
Won't wash Mr Republican!
How comes you have a gay brotherinlaw?
Explain, ta!
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Sean Penn is a multitalented actor who has played many different roles in movies.
You expect me to believe you haven't liked even ONE of his movies?
Won't wash Mr Republican!
How comes you have a gay brotherinlaw?
LOL!!! You are unbelievable. I can't 'not' like an actor because YOU like them?? Pathetic. Marlon Brando has been in many 'so called' classics and i don't like him. You are looking like an idiot with those remarks. And why do i have a gay brother-in-law? Ummm...because my wife's brother is gay. What is so hard with understanding the in-law concept? LOL!! Retard.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
On November 10, 1978, White resigned his seat as supervisor. As reasons, he cited his dissatisfaction with the corrupt inner-workings of San Francisco city politics, as well as the difficulty in making a living without a police officer's or firefighter's salary, neither of which jobs he could legally hold while serving as supervisor. He had opened a potato restaurant at Pier 39, which had failed to become profitable. On November 14, however, he reversed his position after his supporters lobbied him to withdraw his resignation and seek reappointment from San Francisco mayor George Moscone.
Moscone initially agreed to White's request, but later refused the reappointment at the urging of Milk and others who felt White was resisting their progressive agenda. On November 27, 1978, White went to San Francisco City Hall to meet with Moscone and make a final plea to get his job back. He arrived that day carrying a loaded gun, with 10 extra rounds of ammunition, and snuck into the building through a window, thereby circumventing the metal detectors of the recently installed security system. Upon entering Moscone's office, White began to plead to be reinstated as a supervisor, but Moscone turned down his request. White responded to this by shooting and killing Moscone. White then reloaded his weapon and walked over to Milk's office and shot him five times, killing him; he fired the final shot at very close range. He then fled City Hall and turned himself in at the Northern Police Station where he had been an officer. White recorded a tearful confession, stating, "I just shot him."
Gossip? Hmmm. FACT!
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Wow. You can't ever admit when you are wrong. How is what i cut and pasted 'right wing' anything? In fact it was taken from an American LIBERAL paper. Where is your comeback on my comments about liberal Hollywood?
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
I didn't think you could handle my response of Hollywood and reality. You are a sad, sad person. You throw a temper because i don't like Sean Penn and throw out FACTS about Dan White. Your response shows EVERYONE what a pathetic, mean person you are. All of your responses are predictable and the same. I pity you.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
>>>I didn't think you could handle my response of Hollywood and reality. You are a sad, sad person. You throw a temper because i don't like Sean Penn and throw out FACTS about Dan White. Your response shows EVERYONE what a pathetic, mean person you are. All of your responses are predictable and the same. I pity you.<<
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I don't argue with echo machines
Don't pity me, look at the man in the mirror first.
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It's amazing after working hard all my life to keep medical benefits at work only to potentially
have to pay $4000 more dollars per year to pay for lazy a*holes (like my brother) who didn't finish school, didn't apply himself and as too lazy to hold a regular job his entire adult life.
Multiply this times millions in this country and the new Socialist America is F*ing the worker
who did nothing but work hard. F* American "leadership" for attempting to push a government
healthcare system that will allow us to get in line. The other social programs that are "so
wonderful" here are the U.S. Postal System that is 6 BILLION in debt, Social Security, which those who've worked all there lives will see go bankrupt in a few short years, Medicare which
we've paid all our lives is on the brink of bankruptcy....No one on the left seems to care about
BO's Afghanistan War......guess only Bush is blame-able. I HATE what BO has done to this country, none of which has anything to do with his color or gays but the added government influence into every American's life......a government that (BTW) would not use the new healthcare system (It appears they have declared themselves royalty). F* American government.
Do you really have to pay 4K a year/tear to pay for your
shiftless brother's losers' ways? Or is 4k an 'alagory' meaning
we will hurt when/if a publicly funded medical system?
....Of course you know that if you are genetically predispositioned
towards, and end up suffering from a debillitating but
manageable medicale condition, you cannot purchase drug coverage that
will pay for those medical treatments/prescriptions. The natural state
of humanity is solitary, nasty, brutish and short...
People have writ about this before:
"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short."
$4000 per worker is the estimated cost of this proposed healthcare system.
Congress hasn't passed anything yet but assuming the numbers being passed about revenue would be raised by either increasing taxes, removing tax deductions, or paying more for insurance premiums through coverage at work. The costs have the potential to increase dramatically. The U.S. government can't run jack squat...
something about lifetime free medical and no competition and unlimited tax funds
which create terrible agencies such as the Postal system, Department of Motor
Vehicles, Social Security offices which make you feel like your living in Russia.
Price Waterhouse, a fairly respectable auditor business has given some insight into
the impact of the proposed health care change:
The Massachusetts Senate has passed the flu pandemic bill S 2028 that imposes a state of fascism whenever the governor decides to do so in the wake of a flu pandemic - like, you know, the one they plan to engineer. The bill authorises the state health commissioner, law enforcement, and medical personnel to:
* Vaccinate the population
* Enter private property with no warrants
* Quarantine people against their will
* Arrest without a warrant anyone a police officer deems has violated an isolation or quarantine order
* Jail or fine at the rate of $1,000 a day anyone in such violation
This came from David Ickes website.
If it is true, and you're better placed than me to find out about this, then is it any surprise that "The governor of Massachusetts has said their state's universal healthcare system is unsustainable."?
It's going to cost a lot of money to implement this bill.
can i just point out that the "extra $4000" they are talking about comes from a highly flawed study CONDUCTED AND PAID FOR BY THE VERY INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT ARE TRING TO PROTECT THEIR PROFITS AND AS SUCH IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT.
I hate to state the obvious but I deliberately posted the passage from the David Icke website in the full knowledge that someone would have a dig at me via David Icke.
He doesn't care if you think he's a nutter, and I don't care if you think that I'm a nutter because I find an element of truth in some of what he says.
Perhaps you can take the time to find out if the bill passed in the state of Massachusetts is factually correct. If it's not, then you can say that David Icke is full of shit, but if it has been passed and is correct, then you have to concede that he might not be as much of a nutter as some people assume him to be.
So in essence, all I'm asking is has that bill been passed, or hasn't it?
Scary a country like america and there is 50 million Americans without health insurance. That's why i love living in in Canada! I don't have to worry about losing my job-I can get EI if I can't find another one, which may not be great but it's better than nothing. I don't have to worry about breaking a bone, getting sick, seeing a doctor or a specialist, needing blood work or x-rays, having an operation, needing treatment for cancer or other terrible illnesses,none of those things will cost me money directly. High taxes are worth that security, to me.
In the film (as opposed to whatever was in anybody's head for real), Dan White was played as an angry closet case who shot Harvey Milk because he couldn't deal with it. It's a little more complex than mere homophobia - besides which, anyone fixing to take out all the gays in San Francisco is going to need more than one gun. And because they're Americans, more than a few of would be able to shoot back.
Far from hating my brother, I love him. He just didn't apply himself. He and millions of other Americans are looking to Obama to provide them
with tax funds to bail them out of a non-productive life. The healthcare bill would be paid on the backs of workers who never looked for a government handout nor when unemployed sat around waiting for the government to help them. What is galling to me is that despite the insurance industry's record profits (much of which went into the pockets of our American Congressmen), no effort was made to straighten out
the obvious ripoff from insurance companies. To deny medical coverage for pre-existing conditions, or put limitations on medical care should
have been the first thing B.O. went after. Instead, his socialist mentality kicked in such that working people will pick up the bill. I DO NOT
trust the insurance industry at all. It seems that every bill I get I have to fight to get them to change their payment to my policy coverage.
I DO NOT trust my government EVEN MORE. Regardless of party it seems everyone is on the take. Even local government is chock full of scammers
and kick-back thieves who when caught are never prosecuted and rarely are held accountable. My earlier point about goverment jobs is that most
that I know retire early with full or partial pensions (which rarely exist in the private sector). Their motivation and incentive is to survive long enough to get the free medical and pension. Those in public office get free cars, free gas, free travel, expense accounts, write-offs for second homes near their capital, and a sizeable salary regardless of whether a budget is balanced or not. I see little to no innovation happening in government jobs and I tend to hold them in low regard. God bless American people. God damn their "leadership".
Ah....always the "what about the children" liberal. How about the notion that if you can't take care of
yourself or your future child by providing enough money for medical coverage (ie. working a job) then
don't have children. It's not an inalieable right to produce offspring.....and why should everyone else
who works have to pay for you and your kids medical coverage? In just 8 short months I have come to be
ashamed of what my country has become.
I've always thought that Sean Penns greatest performance (aside from getting divorced from Madonna), was as the lawyer in Carlitos Way. That was a superb role for him to play.
This just out of Washington D.C. President Obama has just been named winner of Iron Chef America! It seems he has read several menus in his lifetime. Who knew? Is there anything this guy can't do?
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Instead of sticking to serious points Nick your just posting crap. Please can we have some intelligent debate and not just soundbite crap.
Your gay brother in law watched a film and you take his viewpoint as gospel? Jesus fucking Christ Nick watch the fucking thing yourself and offer your own viewpoint please.
'Your gay brother in law watched a film and you take his viewpoint as gospel? Jesus fucking Christ Nick watch the fucking thing yourself and offer your own viewpoint please.'
I'm not taking his view as gospel at all. My argument is that Hollywood twists facts. Why is it soooo hard for you people to realize that?? It's not difficult. Are you saying that the film Milk is 100% factual?? NOBODY will, or have, responded to that statement. One idiot in particular refuses to respond to that statement without ant-Nick and anti-American crap. I don't need to see a film with an actor i can't stand to know that not all the facts are there. Is that hard to understand?? I say i don't like Sean Penn and then it's...'What...is it because he is a liberal?'.
Well...more than 3/4 of Hollwood is liberal. I wouldn't be able to watch a fucking single movie if THAT was the case. I made a comment about Oliver Stone. Same thing...'Is it because he is a liberal?'. No. His movies are crap and full of misinformation. Take The Doors for example. Total rubbish! No matter WHAT i say...some idiots will put words in my mouth and twist things around.
Again...i don't need to see the damn movie. I have read enough about it and have spoken with enough people to know that Hollywood has once agai twisted the truth. People on here cry...'Show me proof.' I pasted written documentation (from a worker of Milk) and the fools claimed it was 'right wing' trash. A liberal wrote. Right wing?? Ummmm. OK.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Even documentaries can cleverly twist facts Nick, on that I agree. Of course Milk isn't 100% factual everything is down to interpretation.
However, I feel we must agree that Dan White taking a gun and shooting people he doesn't agree with is the work of a deranged mind whatever his politics.
You have said that you won't be watching the film which of course is your choice, but I feel its a shame because this denies you the chance of making your own mind up and writing a critique.
'However, I feel we must agree that Dan White taking a gun and shooting people he doesn't agree with is the work of a deranged mind whatever his politics,'
I totally agree. He was deranged. I never denied that. I was only saying his motives were political...and not because he was homophobic. Family, friends and coworkers have ALL denied that he was a homophobe.
Since this debate on the matter has started...i have spoken with many who have seen the film. They have all agreed that the film leans towards the idea he WAS a homophobe. I have now decided to check out the film (as much as i dislike Sean Penn).
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Any movie bio tends toward the hagiographic, and the messiness and chaos of a person's life doesn't always fit neatly into two hours. Certainly, Mr. Milk's rather disorderly personal life didn't, as they say, make the cut, but I would hope that the filmmaker's decision to concentrate on the political, transformational story isn't read as hypocrisy.
Interesting as I didn't get that impression Nick. It actually shows Dan and Milk being on speaking terms and Dan inviting Harvey to his son's christening!
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation.
You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
We're coloured people, and we live in a tainted place
We're coloured people, and they call us the human race
We've got a history so full of mistakes
And we are coloured people who depend on a Holy Grace
A piece of canvas is only the beginning for
It takes on character with every loving stroke
This thing of beauty is the passion of an Artist's heart
By God's design, we are a skin kaleidoscope
We've gotta come together,
Aren't we all human after all?
Ignorance has wronged some races
And vengeance is the Lord's
If we aspire to share this space
Repentance is the cure
Well, just a day in the shoes of a colour blind man
Should make it easy for you to see
That these diverse tones do more than cover our bones
As a part of our anatomy
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
'I'm quite prepared to accept new ideas and opinions. My views are not from old religious books. I'm liberal and happy with no hangups. Skin is skin, not quite sure what you mean by 'flesh coloured'?'
Flesh is skin...so...flesh colored would mean SKIN color. I would ask you if it would help if i wrote it down for you to follow...but, i already have. And...i don't believe that The Bible ever mentioned the skin color of Jesus. I may be wrong since i haven't read it all...but, i don't believe it did.
Also...i don't have any hangups either.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Mistakes don't exist.
They're only value variations
of whatever power elite
pulls the particular strings
of the certain peoples
that get in the way of
their social power-plan.
Today's mistake could be
tomorrows 'great leap forward'
Oh relax
That's a 'null Hypothesis."
THAT behavior is not even significant (not sure what it is.... but)
I'd wager it's a "weird proclivity" that IS and WAS always there (I'd bet).
It's just so much easily SEEN now.... I'd wager that THAT behavior ISN'T
as POPULAR as it is 'EASILY found;, but that it becomes famous because of a
sort of "Dramatizing" of deviance.... which thus normalizes it
and makes "deviant" behavior LOOK more mainstream than it is.
.... it sucks.... do you? Who Cares!
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Coming from those that probably still use plastic bags, leave lights on around the house, doesn't 'share ride', doesn't volunteer to pick up litter...
If you actually LISTEN...it makes sense what he is saying. Left or right...it doesn't matter. What he says is frightening. Listen with an open mind. You would be VERY surprised how many democrats in THIS country that are now speaking out against your messiah Obama and his plans. He can't even win over his own party on the health care issues.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Like I said! the guy knows fuck all about science.
As for me being green? I do my best to recycle all there is.
Will I go to heaven now Nick?
Are you a science major?? You probably didn't listen at all...and IF you did, why not be open minded enough to listen to all of it? I know why. You are judgeMENTAL.
How would i know if you are going to Heaven?? I guess i should feel honored that you think that much of me. You stalk me on every thread and now you ask me if you will go to Heaven.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
You don't know me at all. LOL. I am anything but A ME, ME, ME person. In fact...i need a little bit of ME in my life.
'Maybe in a few years time...say after 8 years of Obama and then another Democratic governement elected to follow, you may see things differently?'
People said that about Clinton...and what did i gain from him? A country where it is no longer immoral to cheat on your wife and kids think that a blow job is acceptable and not considered sex.
I spend my weekends with food and clothing drives, dish out food to the unemployeed in downtown Cincinnati, sponcer youth group trips, deliver furniture for Goodwill...and in-between all THAT i attend my kids sporting and band events. Not much of the ME, ME, ME in that equation. Know your facts. YOU are being judgeMENTAL with your comments there.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
>>>People said that about Clinton...and what did i gain from him? A country where it is no longer immoral to cheat on your wife and kids think that a blow job is acceptable and not considered sex.<<
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Now who's being JudgEmental?
Move with the times hickster
>>>I spend my weekends with food and clothing drives, dish out food to the unemployeed in downtown Cincinnati, sponcer youth group trips, deliver furniture for Goodwill...and in-between all THAT i attend my kids sporting and band events. Not much of the ME, ME, ME in that equation. Know your facts. YOU are being judgeMENTAL with your comments there.<<
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WOW!!! You are SO kind. You will receive your wings
All that and a good parent, amazing!!!
You must be so proud of yourself.
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I am proud of myself for being there for my kids...and the rest of the things aren't about ME. As for Clinton...i do get to express my opinion on MY president. Hickster? VERY judgeMENTAL for such an Obama follower. What would your messiah think. You need to practice what you preach. EVERYTHING you say is hypocritical. LOL. The sitcom continues.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
You've some serious moral issues (chips) on those Christian shoulders of yours.
A question:
If a friend of yours was found cheating on his wife would you disown him?
I'm sure if it was a Republican you would be screaming! My friends aren't the president. The president should be a role model as well as running the country. So...if your leader was a crack addict it would be alright??
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
'So if the President had an affair it affects the way all of America acts/thinks?
Is the President is supposed to set the moral agenda?'
Moral agenda IS part of the job. Yes.
'Pity Bush/Reagan/Nixon/Ford/Bush (old) didn't think of then when being the cause of so much death and distruction.'
I haven't defended ANY of those guys...and i do believe Nixon did something about the Vietnam conflict. Hmmm...what was that? Oh, yeah. He took us out of it!
'I'd rather the chief had a sexual fling and said NO to wars.'
I do believe your messiah is fighting in a war as i write this. Hate him now?
'Is the President not allowed a private life?'
He works for the people. He has to answer to any wrong-doing. If an employee at McDonalds was getting a blow job in the restroom and was caught...he would be fired.
'I suspect that if a friend of yours was cheating on his wife you would pat him on his back and say...go for it.'
Well...your assumption makes you look like an idiot.
You STILL haven't answered my question (like usual). So...if your leader was a crack addict it would be alright??
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
>>>I haven't defended ANY of those guys...and i do believe Nixon did something about the Vietnam conflict. Hmmm...what was that? Oh, yeah. He took us out of it! <<
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Nixon was a proven liar and a crook, the only Presedent to be fired from the job or resign in your batty view.
I suspect that if a friend of yours was cheating on his wife you would pat him on his back and say...go for it.
I'm still waiting for your slippery reply
>>>You STILL haven't answered my question (like usual). So...if your leader was a crack addict it would be alright??<<
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'Just to think you actually set your morals because the President does???'
Just like you to twist words. I don't set my morals according to the president...but, he should set good moral standards. I will ask again...if your leader was a crack addict, would you want them out of office?? Why can't you answer??
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
USA Debt record:
09/30/2009..... data reported $1.4 TRILLION (more in 3 years than under Bush for 6 years)
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49 Increase of 1.52 trillion in 2 years (760 billion/year)
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23 Then the DEMOCRATS took over Congress.
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50 Increase of <2.26 trillion in 6 years (377 billion/year) under Bush
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09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86 GW Bush took office.
GAO estimates Obama will increase National Debt ANOTHER $10 Trillion or more within the next 5 years. To dispel the leftist propaganda that the National debt under Bush was outrageous, one must consider the National Debt as a Percentage of Gross National Product. I urge ALL liberals to Google "National Debt" to get a proper perspective on things.
The Facts:
Everyone is feeling poorer today than they did a year ago. But now, thanks to the Federal Reserve, we can quantify the impact of the DEMOCRATICALLY-CONTROLLED Congress. The Fed reported that U.S. households' net worth tumbled by $11 trillion, or 18%, a decline in a SINGLE YEAR that equals the annual output of Germany, Japan and the United Kingdom COMBINED!!!
What were the three BIGGEST crashes EVER in the stock market which resulted in the loss of over 30% of Americas wealth accumulated over the last 200 years???
1. Obama nominated as the Democratic candidate for POTUS
2. Obama elected (the largest DOW drop IN HISTORY)
3. Obama inaugurated
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Isn't it something like a 3.2% increase in the economy?
October 28 2009, 10:01 PM
Not too shabby for 10 months. Supposedly, this is the best the economy has been since mid 2008. At least we have someone in office now who can relate to people on a sound down-to-earth basis. That's why Obama's so cool. Progress is progress. That, and the world finally gets universal and contemporary and now we have a cool First Family in office. Laura Bush looks at you like a recruiter for a cult . At least Michelle Obama comes off normal and comfortably-so through your t.v. and press. It'll get better yet .
Well Obama could have let the meltdown of your economy take place Nick.
That would have a triggered a virtual world wide economic disaster. That would have surpassed the dirty thirties. I can't see what choice he had other than to essentially pseudo-nationalise the failing banks (like the UK did, whose banks are still not out of the woods). What a time to be elected president, yeesh!
From The American Institute for Economic Research.....
....."That raises the question, how much of the widening deficit can be attributed to Obamas new programs?
Only about 20 percent, according to New York Times estimates using data from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (June 10, 2009). Of the $1.1 trillion increase in estimates for the deficit since August 2007, 44 percent stems from the recession, 17 percent from bailouts, 21 percent from Bush programs continued by Obama, and 18 percent from such new Obama programs as the stimulus package".
I would submit that the problems we face today are the result of 30 years of Reaganomics Nick, and certainly not whats happened in the last year, or even 8 years.
Actually, I would have to say the idea that we could be in this problem because of the last year is laughable and childish.
Does it even sound like a credible idea to you Nick?
Just for fun why dont you look into the economic policies that led to the first great depression, you will find they are the same policies that Reagan started in 1980.
Say what you will about Clinton, but economicly he was a republican
After having conservative control of this country for 30 years, do you still think these ideas work?
Do you still believe in Privatization?
Do you still believe in trickle down thoery economics?
How much more time will it take this country to find out if your parties ideas work...arent 30 years enough?
Nick give it up. The more you dig the deeper your idiocy sounds.
Milk is a great film, and he is not portrayed as a homophobe, but a very conservative man clearly out of his league. And very ignorant. COME ON HE IS THE MAN THAT INVENTED THE TWINKIE DEFENSE! He claimed he killed Milk because he ate a twinkie and the sugar made him crazy! AND HE GOT A LIGHT SENTENCE! He also ended up killing himself.
And your conservative rant just sounds so tired and also devoid of good critical thought.
Yeah, Nick, and I brought it back to Milk. And if your only response is that we haven't been on the topic in a while...well like I said stop digging yourslf deeper in your own idiocy. And if you want to go the other topic, that is fine.
You use a lot of selective data that backs up your political opinions. And present it in a very stilted way. To assume all those economic indicators are a direct result of a person that has barely been in office is ridiculous. As has been said many times over here, 8 years of Bush has shattered the US in the eyes of the world, and has declined our country as a whole. We have spent our treasure on wildly iresponsible military excursions that were not planned out and lead well. The Commander and Cheif didn't do his job and now we are in a quagmire in one theater, and trying to gracefully exit from another. I think someone spent more time snorting blow in college when they should have been playing risk and learning about history.
Non the less. The US economy is in dire straights and this is from years of mismanagement that also started under Clinton, but at least he left office with a SURPLUS! Which was going in a matter of six months under Bush.
Now some current stats:
The GDP is up +3.5%
The US stock market surged in reaction
The economic growth came without a major suge in inflation
Much of the growth can be attibuted to the billions in federal aid devoted to economic renewal(taken from International Herald Tribune, Friday Oct. 30)
Thecash for clunkers program helped increase consumer spending on durable goods, which grew bu an anuual rate of 22.3% (Taken from International Herald Tribune, Friday Oct. 30, 2009 page 1)
The $8,000 federal tax credit for first time home buyers helped revive spendin gon housing, which increaded 23.4% in the third quater in contrast of 23.3% DECREASE in the second quarter.
The job market, however, is still depressed. The poor job market is discouraging Americans from increasing their spending by too much. Stagnant consumer demand and low consumer confidence have left companies wary of hiring more employees.
So there will take more time to overcome many years of economic neglect. AND MAJOR REFORM is needed now. And the fact the Republicans are happy to sit on the sidelines and play the opposition and snipe is also very discouraging.
HEALTH CARE REFORM IS AN IMPARITIVE for the economy to rebound.
So again, stats can be used in many forms, but what is undenieble is that there was a greater moral vacuum during the last 8 years that harkens back to the Nixon era of dirty tricks. Ask Cheney, he knows....outing a spy anyone, illegal wire tapping of large sectors of the US public. Torture....
Anyhow Nick your knee jerk reactions are sometimes ammusing and often just embarressing. You often make wide generalized observations that seem very steeped in your own moral compas of a very narrow perception. At best it seems ill informed. At worst it seems highy prejudicial.
The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 3 months from now....
I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.
Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama's request for dismissal. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama's attorneys argued this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court. Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama's motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery of documents which will
allow the plaintiffs to demand Obama to produce his birth certificate in a timely manner, if he has one.
The judge, WHO IS A FORMER U.S. MARINE, repeated several times that this is A VERY SERIOUS CASE which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. It looks like OBAMA MUST PROVE HIS ELIGIBILITY to the court. The judge said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President.
The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried to convince the judge this case was frivolous, but Judge Carter
would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama's attorneys left the courtroom after the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.
The truth (FINALLY) about Barack Obama's eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it. This is a GREAT day for America and the U.S. Constitution!
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Another fringe argument from the zealous right wing that are so pissed their hold on power has slipped from their greasy palms. Is Obama a US citizen? Is he a muslim? Is he a communist? Is he really a black panther in disguise? Reminds one of the 1950's Macarthyism... a great sci fi film could be made about this!
Here is an excerpt from an article from the Chicago Tribune:
Now pay strict attention, because I'm only going to explain this once: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.
"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.
But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
"Senator Obama was born in the State of Hawaii two years after it became a state on Aug.21, 1959 As such, he acquired United States citizenship automatically at birth. While it is not necessary to go into all of the other legal errors contained in the posting (and there are many), the simple fact is that, with rare exceptions (children of diplomats), everyone born in the United States is a citizen of the United States at birth."
But what about the age of Obama's mother? Remember jus soli--citizenship through place of birth? (c'mon--there IS going to be a quiz). In that case--which happens to be Obama's case--the age of the parents has nothing to do with anything. Under jus soli even the children of illegal aliens are U.S. citizens at birth--just ask the pregnant women from Mexico near the end of their third trimester who try to sneak across the border in hopes their child will be born in a San Diego hospital and leave with a U.S. birth certificate clutched in his or her tiny hand.
Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.
"All that matters is that the child is born here, " Gotcher says. "This is the reason that you are hearing so much fuss in Congress about changing the law that grants 'birthright citizenship.'" But even such a law, however unlikely to pass, would not be retroactive. If Barack Obama wins the presidential election he can begin choosing the furniture for the Oval Office without watching for immigration agents over his shoulder
Now pay close attention....i am only asking this once. What makes what YOU cut and paste correct...but mine is wrong? Hmmmm. Another bunch of leftist trash i do believe,
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
You applaud the fact that two people who love eachother and want to take vows of life time committment cannot be legally married because they happen to be of the same gender? Again it boggles the mind that humans can still be so steeped in their own moral bigotry that they cannot truly understand what love is.
You sir are a shallow bottom feeder among humanity and would find yourself in good company at a Grand Dragon festival in Georgia.
This message has been edited by whitem8 on Nov 6, 2009 5:17 AM
Nick my brother! Do you really think Obama is not a US citizen? REALLY???? The differences between what you cut and paste and what i cut and paste is that I am using those sources to refute your broad brush strokes of knee jerk ignorance. Our country is in a heap of trouble and if all the conservatives have to offer is to label Obama as not being a US citizen, a socialist, a muslim, and a coward, then America deserves the bed it is making for itself. Do you really think that Clinton's blow job was more of a repugnant moral message to our youths than a President that ordered the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people to prove something to daddy? More morally repugnant than allowing your Vice President to circumvent the constitution and engage in a whole sale onslaught against the Bill of Rights in the name of national security? Again this harkens back to Macarthyism and I am waiting for the day that someone has the guts to say to Cheeny on National TV, "you sir are evil".
Nick my friend, another big difference between what you cut and paste and what I cut and paste is that you tend to use broad brush strokes that are devoid of real critical thought, more like sloganeering. Rah rah rah. It just doesn't seem to fit the image of what you portray in your taste of music. As I said before, often your arguments seem like thinly veiled attempts to get on the moral pulpit.
At the end of the day, Obamna has many flaws, but those flaws and inexperience seem far more steeped in the genuine goal of trying to help our country move forward out of the quagmire of moral ambiguity. Rather than using fear and hate to sir a xenophobic fervor of "you are either with us, or against us..." With no shades of grey or hell, color. Just despair. And again I ask how can anyone advocate the government has any right to legislate how two consenting adults express their love to each other. And want that in the Constitution! That is a lot more dangerous cutting and pasting that you seem to be attracted to, that really is the best example of the difference between how you and I differ in our approach.
This message has been edited by whitem8 on Nov 6, 2009 4:09 PM
And Nick another point to note. I am not a leftist, Democrat, or Republican. I am an American who has been independent. I am a fiscal conservative, an international conservative, and a social liberal. But I also can read either conservative or liberal points and learn from them. And again to be cutting and pasting an entire article about Obama not being a US citizen just smacks of another desperate mean spirited and childish rant that detracts from the hard work that is ahead of our country.
'And again to be cutting and pasting an entire article about Obama not being a US citizen just smacks of another desperate mean spirited and childish rant that detracts from the hard work that is ahead of our country.'
I have earned my right to be critical just like you have the right. Why is it ok for you but not me? It's not a rant at all.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Nick you have every right to post what you please, but be prepared for thinking individuals to challenge your shallow assumptions. And again I ask you, do you really believe he is not a US citizen???????????????
'I think you are begining to see what intelligent members of this site have to tolerate!'
I know you are NOT refering to yourself! LOL!!!
'Do you really think that Clinton's blow job was more of a repugnant moral message to our youths than a President that ordered the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent people to prove something to daddy?'
I never said that. For you to defend Clinton shows your lack of morality though. Sad.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
Nick you really are a mental midget. Seriously, you still haven't answered if you really believe Obama is not a US citizen. And at no time did I defend Bill Clinton, but I was using YOUR moral labeling to ask you yet another question, comparing the two. WHich again you never answered. And you know what happens sexually between two consenting adults is none of my business. And the fact that it became the world's business and that over 100 million dollars of our tax money was spent investigating it makes me sick and as it should any sane citizen. And the fact that three of the major politicians that were after Clinton's head on a pike were also forced to resign....why?? BECAUSE THEY TOO WERE FUCKING THEIR AIDES! But again I deplore moral superiority complexes that seek to punish others for their own moral hypocrisy.
But alas, I can see there is no more trying to logically reason with you...perhaps I caught you mid stream of listening to Rush Limbaugh. Enjoy my friend. My task has been completed. BYE!
'Nick you really are a mental midget. Seriously, you still haven't answered if you really believe Obama is not a US citizen.'
If i am a mental midget...why care what i think?
'And you know what happens sexually between two consenting adults is none of my business.'
It is MY business when it has to do with the president. If the president lies about THAT... then he would lie about other shit. Bush was a liar as well...and he was slammed by all you libs. When a lib lies...all of a sudden it is ok. Hypocrites. If a republican was caught up in that shit, you guys would have had a field day!!
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
***I know who uses the multiple logins and who they are.***
Spill your guts then SoftVinyl. I'm longing to know of this knowledge you have. I am ONE read it ONE login. Maybe you are cracking up? Recent accusations and posts by you suggest so.
Letter from retired Procter & Gamble Exec to Obama!
Written by respected, Lou Prichett, formerly of Proctor and Gamble. Lou Pritchett is one of corporate Americas true living legends- an acclaimed author, dynamic teacher and one of the world's highest rated speakers. Successful corporate executives everywhere recognize him as the foremost leader in change management. Lou changed the way America does business by creating an audacious concept that came to be known as "partnering." Pritchett rose from soap salesman to Vice-President, Sales and Customer Development for Procter and Gamble and over the course of 36 years, made corporate history.
Dear President Obama:
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America ' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
... I can't help but notice how many of your posts include cut-and-pastes of other peoples words (some of them credited, most of them not).
I'm curious to know - do you stumble across writings on the net and think "I could use that", or do you intentionally search for better articulations of your thoughts?
Who the fuck is Lou Prichett, formerly of Proctor and Gamble, and why on Earth would the fact that he is 'respected' (by whoever respects him) make HIS opinion any better than anyone elses here at BWW? i.e. - why do you need to copy other peoples opinions in your arguments?
I can't help but notice how many of your posts include cut-and-pastes of other peoples words (some of them credited, most of them not).
I'm curious to know - do you stumble across writings on the net and think "I could use that", or do you intentionally search for better articulations of your thoughts?
Who the fuck is Lou Prichett, formerly of Proctor and Gamble, and why on Earth would the fact that he is 'respected' (by whoever respects him) make HIS opinion any better than anyone elses here at BWW? i.e. - why do you need to copy other peoples opinions in your arguments?
This was e-mailed to me...and if you had read it, Lou worked for Proctor and Gamble! One of THE biggest companies in the world. I never said his opinion is BETTER than anyone elses. Did i?? I don't NEED to cut and paste.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.
You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.
Whose fault is that? The President's biography and curriculum vitae are public record. You could find out anything you want about Obama by a simple Google search or a trip to your local library.
You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.
FOX News, of all outlets, managed somehow to be aware that Obama paid for his expensive Ivy League education through student loans, which were paid off by the proceeds of his book deals. That you, Mr. Pritchett, were unable to discover this is very interesting.
You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.
Is there an objective definition of what it means to be "culturally" an American? It seems from this that you apparently believe so, and you believe you have the authority to judge others by that standard and determine whether or not they pass muster. That is scary.
You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.
And this is relevant how? You assert that Obama is the first President that has scared you. That implies that Obama's predecessor did not scare you and that you deem George W. Bush a better chief executive than Obama. Bush's record of company management was not exactly stellar. If you prefer a President who proved a repeated failure in running a company to one who has never run a company to ruin, that is scary.
You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.
The response to this concern is similar to that above. If Obama scares you because he has never served in the military, were you likewise scared by Bush whose military experience amounted to a brief cushy stint in the Texas Air National Guard without ever seeing combat? How about his powerful Vice-President who could not volunteer for military service because he had "other priorities?"
You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.
This is a pretty weak allegation. It offers no details, no specifics, just vague character aspersions. You'll have to do better than that, Mr. Pritchett.
You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.
I understand that it is common in conservative media to repeat allegations endlessly until they become memes irretrievably lodged in the public consciousness and thus accepted by many blindly as fact. However, it would be really nice if you happened to be able to name just one "radical extremist" with whom Obama had "aligned himself" and who "hate America" and "wish to see America fail."
While we're at it, what the heck does it mean to want America to "fail?" Fail at what? America is a nation-state, and as such its purpose is to protect the rights of its citizens and advance their general welfare, so I suppose America would "fail" if it defaulted on those goals. I don't know of anyone associated with Obama who actively seeks that outcome, but it's worth noting which party has been most consistently in favor of policies that restrict the freedoms of Americans based on their own narrowly-defined visions of "morality" and "tradition" and which benefit the most privileged strata of society to the exclusion (and all too often at the expense) of the working people who actually produce the wealth we enjoy. And no, the answer is not "the Democrat [sic] Party."
You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.
This suggests that you have apparently never read or listened to a single speech Obama has ever given. Either that, or you equate the honest admission of shortcomings (usually a necessary step in solving those shortcomings and improving oneself) with "blaming America." Perhaps you believe that America is infallible, guaranteed by Divine blessing never to make even the slightest mistake in any policy or program? If so, that is scary.
You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.
Given how well the "private sector" has been shown to regulate itself, why is this a bad thing? Moreover, why should one trust the autocratic and undemocratic corporate sector to run things better than the elected and theoretically democratic government? Europeans in general do not seem to be too upset with lifestyle and standard of living that their close cooperation of government and business provides them.
You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.
Similar to above, why is this scary? Moreover, it displays your ignorance: Obama has never suggested replacing the private health care system but rather augmenting it with a government-subsidized system for those who fall through the cracks. Our health care system as it stands now stinks. One has to wait ridiculously long to just get an appointment with a doctor in your network, and then you have to gamble about whether or not your insurance provider will grudgingly pay for the care you need. Insurance companies have no transparency or accountability, and I have yet to see any kind of convincing argument why a government-subsidized system would do any worse a job. Canadians and Europeans somehow manage just fine. One has to suspect that the root of what "scares" you is the fear that you will have to pay a little bit more of your wealth in taxes to help support programs for those who didn't have the good fortune to become Vice Presidents of major corporations with generous compensation packages. This is selfishness, pure and simple.
You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.
This is absurd, and short-sighted. These "vast oil, coal, and shale reserves" are not infinite. They will run out, probably sooner than we think. Maybe you think that "necessity is the mother of invention" and will trust in market forces to solve the fuel crisis once the world's economy completely collapses; common sense, however, would advise that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That you don't understand this is truly scary.
You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.
This is an example of several memes that are routinely spouted as if they are unquestionable truths.
Can you cite any evidence that Obama has any interest or intention of undermining the capitalist mode of production? That he seeks to abolish private property and collectivize the means of production? Has Obama advocated worker ownership of capital? If so, I would be thrilled. Obama is no threat to capitalism, Mr. Pritchett. Indeed, his policies may succeed in keeping the system up and running for a while longer.
As for the notion that America has the highest standard of living and that capitalism makes this possible, how do you measure and determine that result? Is it taken by average? If so, I hope a businessman of your stature would understand the simple mathematical reality that the obscenely high standard of living enjoyed by our population's wealthy elite games the numbers when applied to rest of us. The wealthiest 1% of the US population owns 33% of the nation's wealth, and the top 10% own nearly 70%. It is an inevitable result in capitalist economies that the greater the over-all wealth of a country, the larger the population of the poor and disadvantaged. Moreover, a disturbing ignorance is further revealed in this limiting focus on national economies; capitalism recognizes no national borders. Ours is a global economy inextricably tied with markets and producers scattered all around the planet. The poverty and economic disenfranchisement experienced by the underprivileged here at home is nothing compared to the simply inhuman conditions endured by the workers in Asia, Latin America, and other Third World locations who suffer to produce these "golden eggs" of yours.
You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.
"Extortion" is very loaded word, Mr. Pritchett. Would you be so kind as to provide examples of any improper coercion employed by the Executive branch?
You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.
Even if were were to assume that Obama's spending proposals are in fact "wild and irresponsible" -- these are your own subjective opinions, for which you again curiously provide no substantive examples -- you apparently seem not to understand how politics and political parties work. Did the Republican Party challenge President Bush on his "wild and irresponsible" policies? I don't think so, at least not until the fallout from those policies had sown enough discontent among the general population that it became unwise for their own political survival to continue to blindly support the man who believed God had chosen him to be President.
You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.
If anything, Obama has bent over backward to accommodate himself to soi-disant "centrists" and conservatives. His agenda has never really been as "liberal" as you and your comrades make it out to be. Regardless, if Obama has not considered opposing viewpoints from intelligent people, it could very well be that no such viewpoints have been presented.
You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.
This is another sad attack, Mr. Pritchett, just like your jab at his supposed lack of humility and class. I cannot find any documentation of Obama claiming for himself God-like powers. I do seem to recall a President not too long ago, however, who claimed that God Himself had selected him for the job...
You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.
Why should that arouse your fear of Obama as opposed to perhaps something more appropriate like maybe disgust at the media? Now, I am not making a fallacious tu quoque argument here, but the point must be restated that Obama scares you but Bush apparently did not. Bush, too, was granted a "free pass" by the media until the market for infotainment shifted. Did that scare you, too?
You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.
I have not noticed any statement in which Obama has "demonized" any of these individuals, although his strategy of treating Limbaugh as the de facto leader of the Republican Party is political genius. More serious, though, is your charge that Obama seeks to "silence" these media figures. Last time I checked, they were all on the air. You wouldn't be engaging in the same kind of groundless fear-mongering these individuals are known for, now, would you?
You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.
Yet another empty accusation. Honestly, what am supposed to do with something so vague?
Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.
Lou Pritchett
Ooohh! Now, that's scary! Is this because you fear that the government will consider your dissenting opinions "unpatriotic" and have you investigated and harassed by the FBI and maybe even the NSA? Do you worry that you might be identified as an "enemy combatant" and whisked away to a concentration camp in Cuba or a secret CIA "black site" -- or just tossed in federal prison and allowed to rot for months or years without charges? Because surely that has never happened in this country before and you have reason to fear Obama more than any other President...
Oops. Wait a minute. I forgot. Another President has done those things.
Let's talk about your "fears," Mr. Pritchett. If this little essay of yours is a sincere expression of your real, honest, personal concerns, then I am very concerned for you. It displays an unhealthy detachment from reality and I would seriously and honestly encourage you to seek out the assistance of a mental health professional to help you work through these issues of anxiety, paranoia, and possible schizophrenia.
If instead this is a crass and venal piece of propaganda, intended for no other purpose but to spread baseless fear and hatred to worsen the polarization of this country, to fuel the fires that divide and weaken us, then you are clearly a person who hates America and a cheerleader for those who wish to see America fail.
Nick's just having a laugh I'm sure. He keeps pasting these things then sits back and waits for people to argue against them.
Then go and find some more anti-Obama propaganda and paste that.
well this proctor and gamble dipshit may be respected by right wing zealots such as yourself but to me he sounds like a right c@nt !
and i have never heard mention of him in all my 25 yrs in the USA ...
(Chinese hairdresser Huang Xin works on his latest creation, a replica of US President Barack Obama made from human hair, at his barbershop in Beijing... )
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"don't wanna end up a cartoon. in a cartoon graveyard"
I wish that the 9/11 trials wouldn't happen publically, let alone in NYC.
November 18 2009, 3:07 PM
I sort of get where the administration is coming from by having them happen in NYC, but it'll only hurt the survivors of the victims more than it will surely delight these sick f***s on trial for bombing us in the name of Allah or something.. Have the trial in upper Saskatchewan, Canada where no one will have a good time, where the attention can be paid to the trial at hand due to the perhaps-boring locale' and then we just cut to the chase and shoot all of these demonic f***ers and sat 'em all afire atop the Canadian tundra and dance around the pile of smoldering bones (what a lovely, warm thought on a Wednesday morning, eh? ) .
Having the trials in NY is a bad idea.
Why give any of these bastards an opportunity to gloat and/or think of doing a wave 2 on us all?
Allah says I never told you to attach a bomb to yourself and blow up, you f***ing a**hole LOL.
Ahh; charming sentiments yeah..
LOL
gge
-"Since I'm going to Hell, bet ya $20.00 it looks like a Rob Zombie production ."
Peace on Earth, can it be
Years from now, perhaps we'll see
See the day of glory
See the day, when men of good will
Live in peace, live in peace again
Peace on Earth, can it be
Every child must be made aware
Every child must be made to care
Care enough for his fellow man
To give all the love that he can
I pray my wish will come true
For my child and your child too
He'll see the day of glory
See the day when men of good will
Live in peace, live in peace again
Obama is deploying an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. Obama said he will accelerate the new deployment so the additional forces will be in Afghanistan by next summer at that point, he will have tripled the U.S. forces there since George W. Bush left office. What do you think of your messiah now?????
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
I trust Obama much more than the idiot Bush. He didn't make this decision lightly and we have to respect he knows what's going on much more than you think you do.
Keep bashing Obama if you like. You look the bitter/twisted Republican SoftVinyl.
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Nick, find me where he said that, because I cant find it and no, i dont remember him saying that at all. In fact what i do remember is him saying that it was the real war we should be fighting. So, if you cant find it and he never said it, then all your arguments are just lies, and if you need to lie doesnt that make you stop and think, "jeez, im just an idiot who doesnt know shit and i have to resort to lies to make my point". If he did say that, then please back it up and show me where it is.
What could he do on this issue to make you happy?
Because everything you say, write, or cry about makes me think he cant please you no matter what he does.
'What could he do on this issue to make you happy?'
He actually did something i agree with. I just wish he hadn't taken so long. They need the guys over there and they have been waiting for the extra men WAY to long.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
>>>He actually did something i agree with. I just wish he hadn't taken so long. They need the guys over there and they have been waiting for the extra men WAY to long.<<<
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Forever the Armchair General.
You should rejoice at such news.
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MotorSensational, you can call me 'armchair general' all you like. I have pride in the soldiers that sacrifice everything for my country. I wish we didn't need to be over there...but, we do and they get my support.
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
can you please answer my other question Nick?
You always seem to ignore the tough ones.
If you cant reply to it then I will know you were lying and will treat you in the manner you deserve.
Prove he didnt say it????????
Thats the stupidist thing I have ever heard. You cant prove a negative Nick, and now I know and you should too, that you are full of shit and lies.
If you need to resort to lies to make a point then you have no point, and as far as everyone is concerned on this board you should have ZERO credibility.
Please dont make stuff up anymore Nick, you do yourself and everyone else a disservice, and isnt there enough "real" stuff to complain about Obama?
"I trust Obama much more than the idiot Bush. He didn't make this decision lightly and we have to respect he knows what's going on much more than you think you do.
Keep bashing Obama if you like. You look the bitter/twisted Republican SoftVinyl."
You're absolutely right, after all he shut down Guantanamo Bay on time like he promised, didn't he. Didn't he?
The President of the United States at Ft. Hood, Nov. 11, 2009..."honoring" the 14 dead at the hands of a Muslim home-grown terrorist!!! No salute at all. What an ass!!!
And another shot of our 'American?' president!
'You start out wrinkled and you cry...you end up wrinkled and you die.'
"The President of the United States at Ft. Hood, Nov. 11, 2009..."honoring" the 14 dead at the hands of a Muslim home-grown terrorist!!! No salute at all. What an ass!!!"
Nick dear, those pictures are from anti Obama chain email hoax, started by a disgruntled Republican
Obama was introduced and the band began playing "Hail to the Chief." Presidents don't salute themselves when being introduced, And the picture wasn't taken Nov 11, it was taken on on May 25. Obama wore a blue tie and black over coat on Nov 11.
Barack Obama has received the Nobel Peace Prize at an awards ceremony in the Norwegian capital, Oslo.
In his acceptance speech, the President urged "tough action" against nations who broke the rules on nuclear non-proliferation, and said he would not "stand idle" in the face of threats to the United States.
Comparing himself to previous laureates, he admitted that "my accomplishments are slight".
This may be seen as a response to critics who say it is inappropriate for the accolade to go to a president who has been in the job for less than a year.
The prize was awarded to Mr Obama in October for his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and co-operation between peoples".
The ceremony comes days after Mr Obama announced he is sending 30,000 more US soldiers to fight in Afghanistan.
Peace activists in the city staged a protest to coincide with his acceptance of the honour.
The President had reportedly been reading the speeches of past laureates to prepare for his acceptance address
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Accolade: Barack Obama accepts the Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo today
Honour: New Nobel Peace Prize laureate Obama and his First Lady Michelle arrive for the ceremony in Oslo's City Hall
Jetting in: The Obamas arrive at Oslo International Airport this morning
Ceremonial: Obama and his wife pose with, from left: Queen Sonja of Norway, King Harald of Norway, Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway and Crown Prince Haakon of Norway
Faces in the crowd: Hollywood actor Will Smith with his wife Jada and their daughter Willow cheered on their President
Straighten up: Mrs Obama straightens her husband's lapels ahead of the ceremony
Ceremony: The President takes part in a Nobel Peace Prize signing event in Oslo today
Rapt: Will and Jada Smith hung onto the President's every word, but daughter Willow seemed to be getting weary
Alert again: The little girl perked up as she met Obama following his speech
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