Heard a rumour from a collector friend that there is an unreleased Jems in the offing from 1972. This was the one he mentioned, Detroit 08.10.1972 Detroit Fisher Theater.

Has anyone else heard anything about this coming to light very very soon?

WTF is a "Jems"?

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"Jems" archives recently uploaded some shows from 74 & 78 to one of the torrent sites ion lossless format

Ahh. Never heard of Jems archives before. Must check them out. Thanks.

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Already uploaded by Jems (from master tapes):
Detroit 1974 July 22
Detroit 1974 October 18 / 19 / 20
Detroit 1978 April 21
Detroit 1983 July 30 / 31
Tacoma 1983 August 11
San Jose 1987 August 7
Vancouver 1990 March 15
Atlanta 1990 May 7
Tacoma 1990 May 21

Not forgetting Seattle February 3 1976 and Seattle October 24 1995.

And from 'the Idiot' tour March 23 1977 (DB on keys)

i have GOT to figure out this torrent business ... i'm missing out on so much ... anyone care to give me a quick tutorial ... best program ETC ??? Please and Thank You.

http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/mac

Just install it, go to a torrent site, download the thing which says 'download torrent' to your Mac, then click on it. uTorrent will automatically start downloading without you having to do anything. It's really that easy.

Mist.

"Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, simply surrounded by assholes." - William Gibson.

IggyZiggy3, you also might go after the 'Joe Maloney' master recordings:

Boston Oct. 1 1972,
Boston Nov. 11 1974
Boston july 16 1974.

(Please share your Earls Court 78 master recording again)

can you tell me how to get to the "Jems" site ... my son is teaching me torrents right now.

IggyZiggy, check your email.

getting the hang of the torrent thing ... what are the best sites for BOWIE BOOTLEGS ? also what is the deal with FLAC files and I tunes ... can you play them there or do i need another player ?

http://www.mindwarppavilion.org/ezt/

Hi,try this one for a start.

If you're going to put stuff onto an ipod you'll need to convert the flacs to mp3's.

That's what I do though that's seen as sacrilege by some due to the apparent loss in sound quality. If all else fails I'll let you know what I do and how I do it but I'm not an authority.

yes already having trouble ... how to i convert Flac to mp3 ? a free program hopefully ???

yes i steer clear of flac files and torrents
i just stick to mp3 with zip or rar files it does me although there will be more choices with torrents.
cant get to grips with flac at all probably as i dont know how to convert them to mp3, now i know why i have trouble.

Have you lot never heard of searching on Google?

http://download.cnet.com/Free-FLAC-to-MP3-Converter/3000-2140_4-75206134.html

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If I put my faith in Google, would I be clever or demonstrating my ignorance?

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Bisous.

Its all in the eye of the beholder innit?

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Admitting your ignorance is the first step to overcoming it.

There was an interview from around '99, where Bowie admitted to knowing the limits of his intelligence & how stupid he was. Takes a genius to do that!

"Google will give you 10,000 answers ... a Librarian will give you the right answer" same goes for BWW ... just learned to torrent today ... and i know a lot of you guys have been doing it for a long time and therefore would know the right answer. It seems very easy ... i think i was put off years ago when i tried it with a crap PC and a slow connection. Now i have a MacBook and a speedy connection and it's so simple ... my first move was to get the entire works of Brian Eno in 5 mins ... have a lot of time off next week ... i am going to be very busy.

When I first got into torents it was a revelation. But then I found myself frustrated when things werent taking 5 minutes to download. You're going to have a lot of fun

"That's what I do though that's seen as sacrilege by some due to the apparent loss in sound quality. "

It's only frowned upon if you, or others, then subsequently use a lossless recording to recreate an audio file (wav, flac etc) and then pretend it's an earlier generation recording. If you want to take a lossy recording and rip it to mp3 that's your call. If you want to listen on your iPod, why not? I have to admit, I have little time these days to listen to much at home, it's mostly on the move. In such circumstances sound quality (IMHO) doesn't need to be that good.

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http://www.helden.org.uk

sorry to inform you JEMS do not have a recording of Detroit 1972 - earliest master they have is Detroit 1973

@ Bowiecollecter

Do you know the date of the Detroit 73 show that JEMS recorded?

Bowie performed 2 shows in Detroit at the Masonic Temple in '73: March 1 and 2. The first show is already available as American Daydream.
So, I hope it's the March 2 '73.

They have this listed as master
03/01/1973 Masonic Temple Auditorium, Detroit, MI (they have it labeled as 03/05/1973)

I never heard of Bowie playing either Fisher or Masonic. They are small venues.

..all I had to give was the guilt for dreaming

I'm just downloading some of these now. Looks like I will have some treats awaiting me.

One question....I'm getting these off Dimeadozen but am wondering what this JEMS site is all about?

There's no JEMS site (as far as I know). You're at the right spot.

Thanks for your reply, BowieCollector.

Does Jems have a 'release date' in mind for the march 1 1973 master recording?

JEMS do not have a release date for the Detroit 1973 recording. The guy who uploads the JEMS masters on Dime does not have the actual cassette at the moment. I don't see this recording uploaded on Dime (or somewhere else) in near future to be honest.

There is a master recording of this concert available among a very small group of collectors though.

Is the 'American Daydream' recording from the the same source tape (but different generation) as the Jems master?